My headcanon is that the Doctor not only forced Sutekh to undo all the deaths he caused in these last two episodes, but also all the deaths he caused in "Pyramids of Mars". I think somewhere in time, the Scarman brothers woke up from a terrible nightmare.
This climax makes me tear up every time. Seeing Sutekh gift of death reversed, The Doctor's victory speech to Sutekh, Murray Gold's amazing music during the scene and how satisfying it was seeing Sutekh meet his demise the way he was supposed to nearly 50 years ago after everything he had done.
“ Sutekh the Destroyer! The Lord God of Death itself! You win! Because I pride myself... I pride myself that I am better than you. Because if you're death... then I must represent life. Surely, that's what I am life! And that's how you win, Sutekh. Because you've turned me into this. I am the one that brings death. “
It's working on the planets which got drained by that dust. Gallifrey became unsuitable for life after the exploding bomb with spreading effect. So, I guess - no.
Well considering the doctor probably revived the daleks on skaro and the cybermen somewhere, it doesnt seem too far fetched but then again gallifrey is “destroyed”
@@mattsgrayzone Not really. The Toymaker has always done or at least allowed cheating as far back as his first story in the form of 'rule bending.' Yet at the same time it isn't because you never stated it in the rules. For example a Pawn in Chess can only take pieces diagonally. Now what I didn't mention is the range is limited to one space because that's just what everyone knows, the Toymaker can bend that to be an unlimited range. Plus the Giggle was one big destroying of a character who has been very consistent in the expanded media. They even changed his rules so the Doctor could win when in the expanded media the Doctor still won even with those almost impossible to win against rules if you won or lost.
I've been thinking, since he bought "life" back, does that only include the ones that Sutekh ended, or does it go beyond and bring others back, like I don't know, The Time Lords? 😉
It is such a great twist. The Doctor brought death to the universe so Death can die. Thus, he represents Life in a way that he's pretty much Death. Since Sutekh was the one who made the Doctor that way, Sutekh wins. Sutekh may have lost the war physically, but when it came to the mind. Sutekh completely won.
Tbf theres a little loophole they could exploit to bring sutekh back - back in the giggle the doctor duplicated the tardis, but since sutekh was latched onto the tardis at that point, could it be where there are 2 sutekhs, and the other one is casually chilling with tennant and the nobles ?😂
Who knows? Maybe some of Sutekh´s essence still lingers on the other TARDIS and now after his main-body got destroyed he could regenerate himself but it will take a lot of time just like it took all these years to become this strong.
Am I the only one that’s worried that the Doctor may have inadvertently revived all of his defeated enemies? That is something that I’d be worried about cuz that’s basically resetting an entire game from start and yet he is just cheering that life is returning.
everyone's asking about the time lords, and yet nobody's even considering if the doctor allowed the daleks and the sontarans and all of the other deadly races he's faced back.
Often, it takes a fire to stop a fire. The Doctor doesn't like to kill. When he has no choice, the Doctor will have to kill. In the Classic series, the Doctor was almost charge with Genocide because because he was force to kill a sentient plant species.
How did it work tho... Sutekh could cling to the tardis for 100s of years and managed to cleave through the vortex while being dragged and should've had MORE reality warping powers than the Toymaker. Like he just looked so fucking weak. Like a glass cannon
@@Brand-New-Adventures but then why would the toymaker be so afraid of him? like the toymaker was pretty badass and he straight up said "yeah i don't fuck with that."
@PaladinCaddy I'm guessing it's because Sutekh could control him, and that's kinda the Toy Makers thing in a way. I mean. Imagine the power Sutekh would have if he controlled the Toy Maker.
“ Bring death to death! Everywhere! Leave that. Hold that and that. What's happening?! Life, Ruby! Life. Ah! We bring life to the whole flippin' universe! Ha ha! Vortis. Tigella. Vox. Messaline. Calufrax. Spiridon. Telos. Shan Shen. Ah! The Ood Sphere is alive! Ha! Oh! Welcome back, the Ood! And there! There. The planet is called Agua Santina. “
Imagine if this is all actually a ploy by Sutekh. As God of Death his mission is to bring death to all universe, and this event will spiralling the Doctor into the greatest harbinger of death of all. The Doctor say it himself. He is an extinction event. So Sutekh use that. Let the Doctor become what he means to be, the harbinger of Death
I personly would like to think this is they way RTD canceled what Chibnall did with FLUX so that lost half of the universe can be saved. It's long way to fix all the damage chibnall did but there is a hope RTD will fix timeless child somehow.
Silver lining to the timeless child is that the doctor dosnt really have a limited reincarnation and the show dosnt have to stop or make up some reason to give a nother go
I did expect Sutekh to do more but I'm glad he didn't, I'd rather not have him be completely destroyed by Russell like Russell did the Toymaker, he needs to leave the Toymaker alone, he isn't doing him any favours by expanding upon his lore currently, not saying he can't write the Toymaker, but there are other people out there more qualified to write the Toymaker and understand him and his rules way better than Russell based on how he wrote him in the Giggle. There are a few plot holes though with Sutekh, why does he care so much about Ruby's mother? I mean yeah it's there so they can survive but even then there are other ways to keep them alive and still defeat Sutekh. Sutekh should have just killed Ruby, Mel and the Doctor the instant he had chance to, he wouldn't really care about the mystery. And why didn't he just let go of the Vortex? And how does death to the dead bring life? And he's a god, he should be able destroy the cord carrying him in like a trillion different ways. I don't believe he's dead though, merely just dematerialised. He is suspected to be the Devil so a firey dematerialisation would make a lot of sense. Another thing though that I have noticed with Russell and his returning characters from the classic era for new stories in Disney Who. He said everything is canon when in both this season finale and the Giggle, he basically retconned all of the Toymaker's and Sutekh's expanded media. The Toymaker is much more easy to work, Sutekh not so much as the Doctor and Sutekh have met I'm pretty sure multiple times in the expanded media after the Pyramids Of Mars.
Technically the Toymaker isn't actually dead, he's trapped in that box near the end of the Episode with David Tennent, so they may actually bring him back at some point, at least that's what I believe, like the Toymaker said about The Master, he lost and trapped The Master in his gold tooth, in which you see it being taken away by someone after The Doctors defeat the Toymaker, so it only makes sense that they may bring not only The Master back, but possibly the Toymaker as well, same with the Maestro, they are only trapped, and now that Sutekh is dead, I also believe that there will be an episode where the gods will fight for the top spot as there is a power vacuum now, at least that's my theory.
@@matthewhibbitt5399 I never said the Toymaker was dead. I personally just consider the Toymaker from before the Giggle released and the Toymaker in the Giggle and after two completely different characters, split them and actually look at them in their respectives era's, (classic in his first 4 episodes and expanded media, and modern in the giggle and the giggle's novelisation) they are pretty much just different characters entirely. One thrives on games, is calm, understated, calculating, always in control, and wins whether he loses or wins. The other is almost scared to play games, (You know, the entire reason he even plays games is because he used to create stuff for a universe, got bored of that so destroyed it all, and found both that destruction and creation meaningless so went to the destruction of games to find meaning in destroying his opponents.) He's a showman, playful and he's always at risk of losing, whether he wins or loses. Those are just some basic beats, I have an entire script for a video I may or may not make surronding the Toymaker. I find it ashame since throughout the expanded media the Toymaker was one of the most consistent characters and there was very few times he was portrayed wrong. The Nightmare Fair novel is a novel I suggest going through, it almost perfectly portrays the Toymaker. He is calculating, threatening, calm, in control, he very much is the Toymaker we knew all the way back in the 60s and even expands upon a one off line about the Toymaker asking the Doctor to become his servant, introducing the Toymaker's servant, Stefan. And yeah, the Toymaker would never in a million years join the Pantheon. If he did he would play every member in it until they were all in his toy house, if your gonna have him be part of a group have be part of something he already is part of. The Toymaker's. It is established in the Celestial Toymaker novelisation there are multiple Toymaker Gods in the universe. Have him be the leader of that. I personally headcanon that the Celestial Toymaker is the leader of all the Toymakers and Neil Patrick Harris' Toymaker is just one of the Toymaker's under his command. I would also suggest going through the original Toymaker story. Loose Canon's reconstructions of the episodes are easily findable on DailyMotion, it takes a quick google search and bam you have them. I'd suggest watching it without tieing it to the Giggle. I think you can agree he is very different. Sorry that got a bit extensive. I could go on for hours about what Russell did wrong about the Toymaker, trust me it gets down to even the smallest details like how his powers work. Originally he literary controlled reality, now he only controls atoms, which brings the plot hole of how he can even create a pocket-universe if a universe includes dark matter and dark energy, to which one of them is almost certainly not made of atoms.
I still think the Eternals and Kronos and the Guardians were more powerful than Sutekh ( even if the Toymaker did outwit the Guardians in a game ) they lived in and were beyond the Vortex.
I think the difference is that Sutekh once was an Osirian which was a mighty alien-race but he evolved into something stronger (in his eyes a god). The Toymaker for example is a being which was god-like since he came into existence. Sutekh´s gift of death was a big threat but without the TARDIS who let him spread his dust everywhere in time and space he wouldn´t have been as dangerous like the Toymaker who could simply jump between centuries as seen in The Giggle.
My headcanon is that the Doctor not only forced Sutekh to undo all the deaths he caused in these last two episodes, but also all the deaths he caused in "Pyramids of Mars". I think somewhere in time, the Scarman brothers woke up from a terrible nightmare.
This climax makes me tear up every time. Seeing Sutekh gift of death reversed, The Doctor's victory speech to Sutekh, Murray Gold's amazing music during the scene and how satisfying it was seeing Sutekh meet his demise the way he was supposed to nearly 50 years ago after everything he had done.
“ Sutekh the Destroyer! The Lord God of Death itself! You win! Because I pride myself... I pride myself that I am better than you. Because if you're death... then I must represent life. Surely, that's what I am life! And that's how you win, Sutekh. Because you've turned me into this. I am the one that brings death. “
I really liked how the vortex fluxed between the 2010 intro vortex to the 2023 vortex :)
I wonder if Gallifrey was around all of those resurrected planets?
Same. It doesn't sit right with me for gallifrey to remain dead over a stupid reason like the master having a hissy fit.
It's working on the planets which got drained by that dust. Gallifrey became unsuitable for life after the exploding bomb with spreading effect. So, I guess - no.
@@loaxon21_kh08 I mean, Calufrax was turned into a mine for a hollow world back during the 4th Doctor's Era, so...
Well considering the doctor probably revived the daleks on skaro and the cybermen somewhere, it doesnt seem too far fetched but then again gallifrey is “destroyed”
@@Doctorwhoenjoyer don't forget thr 4th, 5th and 6th Doctor's landed on Galifrey in classic who, so there might be a chance
The music for this scene really made it feel epic! Felt like I was watching a movie in the cinema.
1:57 now we know what the TARDIS looks like underneath after 60 years.
You see the 11th literally hanging from the bottom of it in Day of the Doctor lol
@@Jxcky2810 shit
@@Jxcky2810 Damn.
2:37
“Do me a favor the fatality index look up The Doctor.”
“You have an entry just like any other sentient being.”
“Under cause of death….”
Device clicks over to trillions of millions. Basically, run.
* Zoidberg Voice * And maybe bring back Gallifrey maybe
Day the doctor become the oncoming storm once again
Yeah. I feel he stop being the oncoming storm since he became a woman and now he back as that now.
And somehow the toymaker is weaker
I like to think he is only weaker because he has to follow his own rules. Sutekh can cheat.
@@mattsgrayzone Not really. The Toymaker has always done or at least allowed cheating as far back as his first story in the form of 'rule bending.' Yet at the same time it isn't because you never stated it in the rules. For example a Pawn in Chess can only take pieces diagonally. Now what I didn't mention is the range is limited to one space because that's just what everyone knows, the Toymaker can bend that to be an unlimited range. Plus the Giggle was one big destroying of a character who has been very consistent in the expanded media. They even changed his rules so the Doctor could win when in the expanded media the Doctor still won even with those almost impossible to win against rules if you won or lost.
I mean, yeah.
“Play” always ends.
And what is the ultimate end? *Death.*
nah makes sence the toymaker nows better then to play a game when the price of losing is his life
Yeah all games must come to an end and the seemingly only way for any game to truly end is if all the players are dead so that no one can play.
"What happens next is your own doing." - the 10th doctor
"If you don't, I'll have to stop you"
I need the OST here as my GOD Murray was on fire making this one
I absolutely love the lightning sound effects! ⚡️
I've been thinking, since he bought "life" back, does that only include the ones that Sutekh ended, or does it go beyond and bring others back, like I don't know, The Time Lords? 😉
The way they defeated Sutekh wasn't really good, but I think Ncuti really carries this scene
Plus Murray gold was genuinely cooking with the soundtrack
Defeated once and for all - until they bring Sutekh back.
he just brought life to the daleks ...
"and so the doctor defeated one of his greatest enemies once and for all"
"But-"
"-ONCE AND FOR ALL!"
Is it me or did I hear a little bit of the long song fron series 7B
See you in years time Sutekh.
It is such a great twist. The Doctor brought death to the universe so Death can die. Thus, he represents Life in a way that he's pretty much Death. Since Sutekh was the one who made the Doctor that way, Sutekh wins. Sutekh may have lost the war physically, but when it came to the mind. Sutekh completely won.
I never thought it were possible to have the TARDIS doors open while in the Vortex.
they've done it before we just don't see it on the out side Much
Tbf theres a little loophole they could exploit to bring sutekh back - back in the giggle the doctor duplicated the tardis, but since sutekh was latched onto the tardis at that point, could it be where there are 2 sutekhs, and the other one is casually chilling with tennant and the nobles ?😂
Who knows? Maybe some of Sutekh´s essence still lingers on the other TARDIS and now after his main-body got destroyed he could regenerate himself but it will take a lot of time just like it took all these years to become this strong.
Am I the only one that’s worried that the Doctor may have inadvertently revived all of his defeated enemies? That is something that I’d be worried about cuz that’s basically resetting an entire game from start and yet he is just cheering that life is returning.
it's not the first time this kind of thing has happened, the doctors reset the entire universe at least 3 times now, twice as smith and now here.
everyone's asking about the time lords, and yet nobody's even considering if the doctor allowed the daleks and the sontarans and all of the other deadly races he's faced back.
Wrong title its the doctor and ruby take there pet dog for a walk
So does that mean everything since the 4th doctor is back? Even his companions and the ones who died helping the doctor?
Only those killed by sutekh dust of death were revived
What about Gallifrey? 😢
Who knows. Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. We’ll just have to wait and see.
@@07OptimusProbably not because it's likely it only undid the damage of Sutekh's dust of death.
@@adamstewart9052 you may be right. But the writers of Doctor Who have changed the storyline so many times, they might do it again.
He brought it back,Rasselon,the missing timeless children from the past,and others too.
I love the dialogue in this show. It's like a prose.
Often, it takes a fire to stop a fire.
The Doctor doesn't like to kill. When he has no choice, the Doctor will have to kill. In the Classic series, the Doctor was almost charge with Genocide because because he was force to kill a sentient plant species.
How did it work tho... Sutekh could cling to the tardis for 100s of years and managed to cleave through the vortex while being dragged and should've had MORE reality warping powers than the Toymaker. Like he just looked so fucking weak. Like a glass cannon
I think he only survived before since he became a part of the Tardis, but the Doctor took it back.
@@Brand-New-Adventures but then why would the toymaker be so afraid of him? like the toymaker was pretty badass and he straight up said "yeah i don't fuck with that."
@PaladinCaddy I'm guessing it's because Sutekh could control him, and that's kinda the Toy Makers thing in a way.
I mean. Imagine the power Sutekh would have if he controlled the Toy Maker.
I was hoping that among the planets, he'd mention Skaro, but in a somber time, and then Gallifrey with concern.
Killing a god will have consequences for the Doctor
I can't lie the soundtrack for this was amazing
Isnt it a remix of one of 11's soundtracks...would be cool if so but i swear i heard that somewhere
He'll be back.
The Doctor gives Sutekh the win, not that it does him much good getting road hauled across infinity. Guess he wanted him to die happy.
Skaro as well, the planet of the Daleks.
RTDs finales haven't improved I see. Sutekh deserved a better return. Still good score from Gold, so there's that.
did.... did that interaction make sense to people because it didn't make sense to me.
Me wondering if this undid the flux
“ Bring death to death! Everywhere! Leave that. Hold that and that. What's happening?! Life, Ruby! Life. Ah! We bring life to the whole flippin' universe! Ha ha! Vortis. Tigella. Vox. Messaline. Calufrax. Spiridon. Telos. Shan Shen. Ah! The Ood Sphere is alive! Ha! Oh! Welcome back, the Ood! And there! There. The planet is called Agua Santina. “
Imagine if this is all actually a ploy by Sutekh. As God of Death his mission is to bring death to all universe, and this event will spiralling the Doctor into the greatest harbinger of death of all.
The Doctor say it himself. He is an extinction event. So Sutekh use that. Let the Doctor become what he means to be, the harbinger of Death
Blimey, the camerawork is done with such a lack of confidence and uncertainty with the death to death speech scene 😅
Sutekh Rules.
Don't worry they will find a way to bring Sutekh back . In 20 years we will hear ridiculous explanation why he survived again.
I personly would like to think this is they way RTD canceled what Chibnall did with FLUX so that lost half of the universe can be saved. It's long way to fix all the damage chibnall did but there is a hope RTD will fix timeless child somehow.
Silver lining to the timeless child is that the doctor dosnt really have a limited reincarnation and the show dosnt have to stop or make up some reason to give a nother go
i wish these 2 were a couple in the show
I really hope they used this as an excuse to re-rez Gallifrey. They way Chibnal destroyed it off-screen was so lame.
The Master was the one who destroyed Gallifrey and killed the Time Lords not Sutekh so I doubt that this action will bring them back.
@@93Chowo all I’m hearing is that an extremely weak explanation for it’s destruction gets undone by another , less-weak reason.
I hope Gallifrey comes back again
Isn't the doctor not supposed to look at the time vortex or he'll become bad wolf
He looks directly at sutekh
@@debbielungsodaitfllo hmmm maybe
That’s the heart of the TARDIS, not the vortex
@@Alovon but didn't rose look at the time vortex??
@@infinitylord1524 Rose looked at the Heart of the TARDIS
It sounds like a bad thing, but don't real doctor bring mercy death too sometimes ?
Ah yes, so monstrous, killing a being that killed the universe.
The Tenth Doctor would not have hesitated. No remorse, just the Fury of the Time Lord.
To quote Will Mckenzie.
"Well that, was f*cking dreadful"
I did expect Sutekh to do more but I'm glad he didn't, I'd rather not have him be completely destroyed by Russell like Russell did the Toymaker, he needs to leave the Toymaker alone, he isn't doing him any favours by expanding upon his lore currently, not saying he can't write the Toymaker, but there are other people out there more qualified to write the Toymaker and understand him and his rules way better than Russell based on how he wrote him in the Giggle. There are a few plot holes though with Sutekh, why does he care so much about Ruby's mother? I mean yeah it's there so they can survive but even then there are other ways to keep them alive and still defeat Sutekh. Sutekh should have just killed Ruby, Mel and the Doctor the instant he had chance to, he wouldn't really care about the mystery. And why didn't he just let go of the Vortex? And how does death to the dead bring life? And he's a god, he should be able destroy the cord carrying him in like a trillion different ways. I don't believe he's dead though, merely just dematerialised. He is suspected to be the Devil so a firey dematerialisation would make a lot of sense.
Another thing though that I have noticed with Russell and his returning characters from the classic era for new stories in Disney Who. He said everything is canon when in both this season finale and the Giggle, he basically retconned all of the Toymaker's and Sutekh's expanded media. The Toymaker is much more easy to work, Sutekh not so much as the Doctor and Sutekh have met I'm pretty sure multiple times in the expanded media after the Pyramids Of Mars.
Technically the Toymaker isn't actually dead, he's trapped in that box near the end of the Episode with David Tennent, so they may actually bring him back at some point, at least that's what I believe, like the Toymaker said about The Master, he lost and trapped The Master in his gold tooth, in which you see it being taken away by someone after The Doctors defeat the Toymaker, so it only makes sense that they may bring not only The Master back, but possibly the Toymaker as well, same with the Maestro, they are only trapped, and now that Sutekh is dead, I also believe that there will be an episode where the gods will fight for the top spot as there is a power vacuum now, at least that's my theory.
@@matthewhibbitt5399 I never said the Toymaker was dead. I personally just consider the Toymaker from before the Giggle released and the Toymaker in the Giggle and after two completely different characters, split them and actually look at them in their respectives era's, (classic in his first 4 episodes and expanded media, and modern in the giggle and the giggle's novelisation) they are pretty much just different characters entirely. One thrives on games, is calm, understated, calculating, always in control, and wins whether he loses or wins. The other is almost scared to play games, (You know, the entire reason he even plays games is because he used to create stuff for a universe, got bored of that so destroyed it all, and found both that destruction and creation meaningless so went to the destruction of games to find meaning in destroying his opponents.) He's a showman, playful and he's always at risk of losing, whether he wins or loses. Those are just some basic beats, I have an entire script for a video I may or may not make surronding the Toymaker.
I find it ashame since throughout the expanded media the Toymaker was one of the most consistent characters and there was very few times he was portrayed wrong. The Nightmare Fair novel is a novel I suggest going through, it almost perfectly portrays the Toymaker. He is calculating, threatening, calm, in control, he very much is the Toymaker we knew all the way back in the 60s and even expands upon a one off line about the Toymaker asking the Doctor to become his servant, introducing the Toymaker's servant, Stefan.
And yeah, the Toymaker would never in a million years join the Pantheon. If he did he would play every member in it until they were all in his toy house, if your gonna have him be part of a group have be part of something he already is part of. The Toymaker's. It is established in the Celestial Toymaker novelisation there are multiple Toymaker Gods in the universe. Have him be the leader of that. I personally headcanon that the Celestial Toymaker is the leader of all the Toymakers and Neil Patrick Harris' Toymaker is just one of the Toymaker's under his command.
I would also suggest going through the original Toymaker story. Loose Canon's reconstructions of the episodes are easily findable on DailyMotion, it takes a quick google search and bam you have them. I'd suggest watching it without tieing it to the Giggle. I think you can agree he is very different.
Sorry that got a bit extensive. I could go on for hours about what Russell did wrong about the Toymaker, trust me it gets down to even the smallest details like how his powers work. Originally he literary controlled reality, now he only controls atoms, which brings the plot hole of how he can even create a pocket-universe if a universe includes dark matter and dark energy, to which one of them is almost certainly not made of atoms.
I still think the Eternals and Kronos and the Guardians were more powerful than Sutekh ( even if the Toymaker did outwit the Guardians in a game ) they lived in and were beyond the Vortex.
I think the difference is that Sutekh once was an Osirian which was a mighty alien-race but he evolved into something stronger (in his eyes a god). The Toymaker for example is a being which was god-like since he came into existence. Sutekh´s gift of death was a big threat but without the TARDIS who let him spread his dust everywhere in time and space he wouldn´t have been as dangerous like the Toymaker who could simply jump between centuries as seen in The Giggle.
This was such a lame resolution to the Sutekh plot :(
At least Ncuti’s performance was great here.
Well it’s Russel you know the last of the time lords ending the doctor became Jesus
"Once and for all" is kind of stretching it in this franchise.