WHY do games ALWAYS last (about) 30 mins in low elo? - Play like a pro

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    1:30 Explanation / macro analysis
    3:50 Individual analysis
    6:12 Real game example
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  • @chillphilasdf
    @chillphilasdf 10 місяців тому +47

    "I wont let you wait until after the intro to give you that answer" goat

  • @wsoulless
    @wsoulless 10 місяців тому +37

    Convincing teammate to setup the waves after a Baron is impossible

    • @thomasmart
      @thomasmart 7 місяців тому

      Instead think about punishing enemy team without inting u will win more than losing and climb consistently until people push with you

  • @EmergencyTaco2
    @EmergencyTaco2 10 місяців тому +15

    Another phenomenal video. It's insane that I've been playing since season 2 and am still only learning some of these basic things.

    • @cupidok2768
      @cupidok2768 10 місяців тому

      yes please make me challenger. i'm still not. my bot and jg and top

    • @MyMasterController
      @MyMasterController 8 місяців тому +2

      Honestly, when people with an insane mastery of a topic speak about their fields they tend to make it seem so understandable and simple, and then you have to do the assignment and you feel like you FORGOT EVERYTHING.
      Watch Feynman lectures and then try physics. You'll see what I mean.

  • @henrykolberg1349
    @henrykolberg1349 10 місяців тому +6

    Wave before everything. Since watching this video in just the few matches i played, this rule has already made a big difference in my understanding. Ive won like 10 games in a row. Thank you! The idea of roaming after shoving in order to shove another wave, allows you to snowball nicely when enemies arent sidelaning

  • @glazeds0n
    @glazeds0n 10 місяців тому +10

    Really like this macro focused vid, can definitely get a better understanding and apply this to my games

  • @hardstronomer202
    @hardstronomer202 10 місяців тому +4

    I have learned more about tempo in 10 minutes than in any other means i have looked for in the 6 months i since i started playing good vid!

  • @scottsharwood9465
    @scottsharwood9465 10 місяців тому +3

    The more I learn...the more I realize I didn't know. Keep up these incredible videos.

  • @CoachRogue
    @CoachRogue  10 місяців тому +1

    Hey cool people remember to checkout my community discord here: discord.gg/5bSyxMFu4z
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  • @Thomas-tf6gj
    @Thomas-tf6gj 10 місяців тому +7

    Just found your channel and love your content! Keep up the great work!

  • @fabriziodipace5036
    @fabriziodipace5036 10 місяців тому +2

    Your contents are great dude! And i hope my comments will help you to push this lol knowledge on the platform!

  • @X33Ultras0und
    @X33Ultras0und 10 місяців тому +1

    Can I do "waves before everything" even when playing a support like sona or pyke. You know how slow they are at clearing waves.

  • @MaxPower-Gaming
    @MaxPower-Gaming 10 місяців тому +1

    2:39 this, it's this right here. I swear it happens every game. Get 1-3 picks, secure baron, everyone leaves lane and begins fighting in enemy river/jungle and dies. At this point I don't care what they do, as long as it's in a lane and (I main jungle) I'm screaming at the laners to "GET IN YOUR LANNNNNNNE", they don't leave or wander or even put vision on pits for 20mins, then can't help but run it down while baron is active. WHY?????

    • @IncubiAkster
      @IncubiAkster 9 місяців тому

      Push lane by yourself 25 mins in, get ganked and kiled by yourself or you let your team fight a 4v5, you insta lose the game. Thats why.

  • @user-us4qw2bh4b
    @user-us4qw2bh4b 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for the great video, I've been playing League for 2 years and I was struggling with this a looot, but now I finally get it.

  • @herpderp66
    @herpderp66 7 місяців тому

    The real answer is in low elo players want to aram mid constantly instead of getting objectives. You can easily end games off the first baron. We got 3 kills and players just wander around the map when they should be getting baron. Then when you do get baron 2 people are jungle farming instead of pushing lanes. Players just don't know how to end games in low elo.

  • @izjgxj4275
    @izjgxj4275 10 місяців тому

    5:30 is what happens a bunch to me lately. I'm still quite new to the game and my makro is really not great but it feels impossible to focus on makro when your team just takes a 4v5 random fight then. Since they do not change their plan of random fighting I feel like by trying to play correct makro to improve my gameplay overall I just put myself in losing positions. Because after all if you aren't there for the fight it's much more likely for the team to lose and in turn ping and flame for trying to push out a sidewave.

    • @cupidok2768
      @cupidok2768 10 місяців тому

      that's what i do. i shove with baron after baron. but my team go back to base and do camps. what can i do.

  • @KyokujiFGC
    @KyokujiFGC Місяць тому

    8:51 - My only question here is that if Ashe were to rotate here, wouldn't Vayne simply hard push and take mid turret? Since it would fall pretty quickly to her 16m into the game.

    • @CoachRogue
      @CoachRogue  Місяць тому

      Mid waves dead mate. They'll be hitting bot T2 about 5-10seconds before that next mid wave out of base even arrives

  • @djbillgates21
    @djbillgates21 10 місяців тому

    often after a nash i want to go sidelane to shove out waves but my team groups 4v5 mid so I have to join them otherwise we lose the mid fight guaranteed, is there something I can do about that?

    • @nerekan2159
      @nerekan2159 9 місяців тому

      I think it depends on your champ, the person who should shove sidelane is a champ with good push power and who can hold his own a minimum. If that's you, just push further and try to get to inhib turret as fast as possible, if not, join your team and ping someone else to go there while hoping he listens to you.
      If the ennemy team stay 5 man mid, your team should just not fight and it's easier to do when you have baron because you do not have to be that close to keep baron buff on minion and they will guarantee your team don't loose the push. That way, it's the ennemy team who is held hostage. If they realise you're pushing and send someone to stop you, just play safe and back off a little until they are gone and repeat. If they don't, you take their inhib. If someone come, then they are now in 4v4 against your team who also has minions on steroids on its side so they're gonna get pushed.
      I know it's not always what happens because your team is not always smart enough to just not fight but you can't control everything sadly.

    • @IncubiAkster
      @IncubiAkster 9 місяців тому

      @@nerekan2159 Gold and below, your team will always withotu fail take a 4v5 fight with their fed carry pushing a sidelane.

  • @clovermite
    @clovermite 8 місяців тому

    9:52 What you saying here? Is it "one more lamed Ashe arrow?"

  • @atrixiousscramasax6686
    @atrixiousscramasax6686 10 місяців тому +4

    summs rift is too complicated for the average person so it has so much toxicity in game. BRING BACK MY BELOVED TWISTED TREE LINE RIOT!!!! LESS TOXICITY MORE FUN OTHER TACTICS.

  • @s1ap812
    @s1ap812 9 місяців тому

    god it feels so good to know im not insane, im that ashe in so many games even in low diamond rn people hate when adcs try to push out waves

    • @crispyquesadilla
      @crispyquesadilla 3 місяці тому

      This is because in low ELO your team often needs your damage. Your ADC might be your only counter to their Garen or other tanky champ, so if your ADC is off pushing sidelanes then you lose every fight.

    • @s1ap812
      @s1ap812 3 місяці тому

      @@crispyquesadilla what? Ur saying diamond is low elo?

    • @crispyquesadilla
      @crispyquesadilla 3 місяці тому

      @@s1ap812 sorry, I think this applies at any ELO. ADCs help counter tanks, they help poke under tower and drop towers. Team can struggle to do that without you.

  • @Nako3
    @Nako3 9 місяців тому +1

    Most people in low elo just want to have fun killing the opponents over and over again.

  • @scottsharwood9465
    @scottsharwood9465 10 місяців тому +1

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  • @yGKeKe
    @yGKeKe 10 місяців тому

    I'm going to answer your video title with a scenerio.
    Your team kills 4 of the enemy team, what do you think happens? One person spam pings Baron, two people run down mid lane into respawning enemies and int for an inhibitor, the guy who pinged baron also dies because he was forced to follow his team in attempt to make the bad play work at all, and the jungler fucks off to take krugs on the other side of the map.
    That's why low ELO games last forever. That's why it turns into a situation where players need massive deathtimers to work with.
    And then of course, you have that situation where the team DOES get baron....but then everyone fucks off to take krugs and wolves instead of using it to push.

  • @gymroid
    @gymroid 10 місяців тому

    i will answer without watching - cuz people dont play around nashor

  • @BuzzyBri
    @BuzzyBri 10 місяців тому

    because you can be 0-20 as a team 10 mins in and when it hits 15 your team still won't ff

  • @IncubiAkster
    @IncubiAkster 9 місяців тому

    Enjoy getting killed 2v1-5v1 if you overextend and push out a side lane by yourself at best in gold and below, at worst your team is going to lose a 4v5 teamfight or a 3v5 teamfight by getting caught and getting the baron just lost you the game. Then enemy just needs to all go down one lane and win while you try and defend your base by yourself vs 5 enemies. Just folowing what the pros do will not win you more games, you are not playing with and are not yourself a pro. Your team will get caught out and you will throw.

  • @rimuruchunkiang1422
    @rimuruchunkiang1422 4 місяці тому

    after winning a team fight my teammates rather take dragon than baron

  • @KailerOne
    @KailerOne 10 місяців тому +1

    challenger player know when its over AND value their own time; in low elo i always have ppl not realising its 95% lost or they wanna keep a team mate in the game out of tilt and anger cuz they made a mistake from their point of view
    PS: 2nd thing happens more often than you think and ruins sooo many games

  • @comorbrom4877
    @comorbrom4877 10 місяців тому +2

    because high elo players are disgusting early game flippers gamblers, they played the game for years and find it boring, so they would rather risk losing a 15 minute game than play a 30 minute game the way its supposed to be played. as long as their LP gains are in the positive (+25 -20) they will keep going for risky coinflip plays early game, and when their LP gains go in the negative (+22 -25) they buy a new account and restart.

    • @fighisver
      @fighisver 10 місяців тому +1

      lmfao ok gold man.

    • @alexflygh2109
      @alexflygh2109 10 місяців тому +2

      why don't you do that and become challenger then?

  • @KevinTheCardigan
    @KevinTheCardigan 10 місяців тому +2

    Bro has 8k subs and is already moving content to Patreon lmao. The series wasn't performing well, so instead of improving it you shove it behind a pay wall? Come on guy

    • @CoachRogue
      @CoachRogue  10 місяців тому +7

      The purpose of that series was that the videos were quick to make compared to my usual ones (maybe 2 hours total instead of 15-20hrs).
      I expected the videos to perform worse but wasn't aware that having worse performing videos would damage how my channel performed overall in the algorithm. (In turn hurting my other videos)
      The choice was to either ditch the series entirely or make it another bonus people could get with my patreon (which I already had plans to make btw)
      I already put in days of work every week making these videos and they're free for everyone to enjoy, I would hope people would appreciate that and then only choose to support me further if it's within their means

    • @Dazaer
      @Dazaer 10 місяців тому +2

      @@CoachRogue I think you did the right decision. People sometimes take things for granted. I think I speak for a lot of us when I say that we appreciate you putting out free content of this quality on youtube. You and coach curtis are my go-to learning material, there's just a lot of good content from both of you.
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    • @flowbie-1336
      @flowbie-1336 10 місяців тому +3

      Bro why u tellin bro how to run his channel by shaming his choice ur toxic

    • @CoachRogue
      @CoachRogue  10 місяців тому +3

      @@Dazaer hey I love curis. I played against him in the pro leagues for years actually :)
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    • @KevinTheCardigan
      @KevinTheCardigan 10 місяців тому

      Ok so the third choice of improving the series just completely went over your head is what you're telling me? I understand the whole limited hours per week thing, but there's no reason to think you couldn't allocate 2 hours a week on IMPROVING the series. You have almost an infinite number of options on what to do with the series. Real life is not league there's not a binary set of decisions to pick from. In reality you're only limited by your creativity. Also the fact that it doesn't perform well on UA-cam means the content isn't that valuable and then you proceed to charge for it anyways? It just comes off as a poor decision.@@CoachRogue​