When you watch a clip and just HAVE to go back and watch the entire episode again.. even though you know what's going to happen. Such is the case with so many great TNG episodes.
So earlier in the episode Geordi made a comment it didn't matter how much out of phase they were to be in contact but apparently you can be .001-.003% out of phase a still be in contact.
Data said he set up his comm system to transmit with a specific delay, so it would effectively be shifted back to normal phase, which is also why it was one way.
There’s plenty that doesn’t really make sense here. What if Data phased into another time and straight into another creature… classic time travel plot holes.
I hate to be like some of the unenlightened Starfleet brass, but allowing the most valuable and unique piece of sentient machinery in the Galaxy to constantly run point on the most dangerous military missions in the Quadrant is extremely short sighted bordering on foolhardy and criminally reckless.
Even though I mostly agree with you, at the end of the day, maybe it should have been his "life" to live anyway. If his extreme, though also limited, intelligence says he should do a thing, maybe he was right to do it. Or maybe not, I dunno. 😸
Because he has the highest chance for success and survival. He is far more durable and capable than any other member of star fleet and chooses to accept the risk. Your logic would have a less qualified person doing the job with a higher risk of failure and possibly death. Data himself has argued for taking on a dangerous assignment because he has a higher chance of survival. Everyone is unique and why risk any loss without the best chance for success.
Data's monetary value is irrelevant. Economics in the 24th century work differently. Data's uniqueness is only a matter of perspective. The Delta and Gamma quadrant remain largely unexplored, and the Alpha and Beta quadrants are still partially unexplored. So if you want to say he's unique within Starfleet that's fair, but to say he's unique in the galaxy... With Lore, B4, Lal, Juliana Tainer, and the 3 unnamed androids that predated Lore... is simply incorrect. There's a lot of galaxy still left out there. Too bad the franchise is hyperfocusing on personalities, prequels, alternate universes, and other nonsense.
I suppose they could prohibit him from going on those missions. However, it was established in previous episodes that Data is a sentient being with personal autonomy. As he is a starfleet officer, they could deny him any mission, but they can't stop him from risking his life if he wants to. He just couldn't do it for Starfleet.
Honestly... once Data was revealed to be able to replicate himself ("The Offspring"), he should have been transferred to the Daystrom institute or a similar place. Also, bumped up to commander and placed in charge of the artificial lifeform project. Had he and Lal gone together, she might well have survived.
As mentioned previously, measure of a man is an appropriate corresponding episode. If Data is to be truly respected and treated as an equal, he is as expendable, or no, perhaps as valuable as any other starfleet officer. He is not an invention to be caged and observed, but a living entity to be allowed the same rights and dangers as his fellows.
“he is as expendable, or no, perhaps as valuable as any other starfleet officer” Let’s say that you are the captain of the USS Hypothetical. The Hypothetical is headed out to join a rescue mission and there was some reason that made one crew member-a _human_ crew member-absolutely vital to the success of the mission. At some point during this trip, it becomes necessary to have an away team. That crew member wishes to join the away team. Do you permit it?
@@bubbledoubletrouble I think you can adjust based on the mission scenario. Starfleet has protocols about away teams in general, and it's usually frowned upon sending the commanding officer on away missions. But the key difference is how the value is determined. If Data is truly meant to be treated like his fellows, then he accepts the same levels of danger responsibility. His being an android is intentionally left out of the equation. This was more a response to someone that looked at Data as more an asset than a being. There's nuance, and I don't like hard and fast rules either way. But in the spirit of TNG and what they were trying to promote, Data was attempting to be "more human." That includes experiencing the trials/dangers of humans. So long as his keeping him from the mission is the same courtesy that would be given a biological counterpart, then I see no issue. If Androids are still regulated to being "things/property" and not deserving of equal treatment (and to an extent special treatment), then anything is fair game. Data can have his mind subjugated, his "free will" removed, and duplicates of him can be mass produced to serve Starfleet. Starfleet decided against that.
@@ocayaro I mean, Data would probably disagree. The whole point of Data was to be another version of Spock, and TOS made efforts to try and point out that even they (the Vulcans) were not superior to humans (whole episodes and dialogue in the movies dedicated to it).
Angus and me dancing around a campfire naked kicking our legs flapping our hands clanging our teeth bulging our eyes while making high pitched squealing noises, all this to attract UFOs and aliens 😂
What's kind of funny is that, in 2022, an android capable of sending a signal with that level of clarity would quickly figure out an algorithm for transmitting data via the same connection, and they'd have visual details and telemetry data.
Because to do the phase shifting a very accurate phase discriminator was necessary. They didnt have one except for the one inside Datas android brain, hence they could not send anyone else even if they tried.
The necessary device they needed to adjust the Synchronic Distortion was a phase discriminator built into his body, it had to be him who did it as they couldn't remove this object from him.
@@LordUzaki There were aliens called the Dividians that were out of Temporal Sync (Temporal Phase in other words) with the away team and the rest of the universe by a Phase variance of 0.0042% meaning these aliens were a fraction of a second out of sync with the normal flow of time. By adjusting the Synchronic Distortion created as a result of the Dividans being out of Phase, Data was able to see and interact with them. Think of its like this, you and I exist in the same flow of time, but if one of us was far enough out of sync with that flow, we'd no longer be able to see, touch or hear each other unless something brought us back into sync. The rest of the away team after Data desynced himself so he could see the Dividians were able to hear him because Data created a time delayed reaction that accounted for that 0.0042% Phase variance in time.
@@kaeaja I understand all of this, I don't think you are understanding my question. Why? Seems like a incredibly dangerous decision that has a high likelihood of bearing the outcome of Data's death of which everyone involved in aware of. There doesn't seem to be any kind of impending danger or other immediate reason that makes this action necessary. So why have Data do this? For curiosity?
@@LordUzaki They were investigating why there was Triolic energy detected where Data's head was found which ultimately led them to Dividia II where they found heavy concentrations of the energy, considering this same energy was detected in the cavern where Data's head was, this makes sense to do.
When you watch a clip and just HAVE to go back and watch the entire episode again.. even though you know what's going to happen. Such is the case with so many great TNG episodes.
I rewatched the entire series last year, then went through Picard. Needless to say, Picard doesn’t hold up !
Best TV SEries ever
This was a great episode. "Time's Arrow Pt1".
So earlier in the episode Geordi made a comment it didn't matter how much out of phase they were to be in contact but apparently you can be .001-.003% out of phase a still be in contact.
Data said he set up his comm system to transmit with a specific delay, so it would effectively be shifted back to normal phase, which is also why it was one way.
@@szr8 That would explain the _audio_ but at 0.001 you can still clearly *see* Data and visible distortion doesn’t occur until after 0.002.
comms only worke one way or did you miss that part
@@banditt18 Geordi literally said before this, you couldn't see or DIRECTLY hear anyone even barely out of phase,, or did you miss that part
There’s plenty that doesn’t really make sense here. What if Data phased into another time and straight into another creature… classic time travel plot holes.
I hate to be like some of the unenlightened Starfleet brass, but allowing the most valuable and unique piece of sentient machinery in the Galaxy to constantly run point on the most dangerous military missions in the Quadrant is extremely short sighted bordering on foolhardy and criminally reckless.
Even though I mostly agree with you, at the end of the day, maybe it should have been his "life" to live anyway. If his extreme, though also limited, intelligence says he should do a thing, maybe he was right to do it. Or maybe not, I dunno. 😸
Because he has the highest chance for success and survival. He is far more durable and capable than any other member of star fleet and chooses to accept the risk. Your logic would have a less qualified person doing the job with a higher risk of failure and possibly death. Data himself has argued for taking on a dangerous assignment because he has a higher chance of survival. Everyone is unique and why risk any loss without the best chance for success.
Data's monetary value is irrelevant. Economics in the 24th century work differently. Data's uniqueness is only a matter of perspective. The Delta and Gamma quadrant remain largely unexplored, and the Alpha and Beta quadrants are still partially unexplored. So if you want to say he's unique within Starfleet that's fair, but to say he's unique in the galaxy... With Lore, B4, Lal, Juliana Tainer, and the 3 unnamed androids that predated Lore... is simply incorrect.
There's a lot of galaxy still left out there. Too bad the franchise is hyperfocusing on personalities, prequels, alternate universes, and other nonsense.
I suppose they could prohibit him from going on those missions. However, it was established in previous episodes that Data is a sentient being with personal autonomy. As he is a starfleet officer, they could deny him any mission, but they can't stop him from risking his life if he wants to. He just couldn't do it for Starfleet.
Honestly... once Data was revealed to be able to replicate himself ("The Offspring"), he should have been transferred to the Daystrom institute or a similar place. Also, bumped up to commander and placed in charge of the artificial lifeform project. Had he and Lal gone together, she might well have survived.
Data's phased voice reminds me of Patrick Bateman's narration.
As mentioned previously, measure of a man is an appropriate corresponding episode. If Data is to be truly respected and treated as an equal, he is as expendable, or no, perhaps as valuable as any other starfleet officer. He is not an invention to be caged and observed, but a living entity to be allowed the same rights and dangers as his fellows.
Data isn’t an equal. He’s a superior being. It’s puzzling that he aspires to the lower standard of humanity.
“he is as expendable, or no, perhaps as valuable as any other starfleet officer”
Let’s say that you are the captain of the USS Hypothetical. The Hypothetical is headed out to join a rescue mission and there was some reason that made one crew member-a _human_ crew member-absolutely vital to the success of the mission. At some point during this trip, it becomes necessary to have an away team. That crew member wishes to join the away team. Do you permit it?
@@bubbledoubletrouble I think you can adjust based on the mission scenario. Starfleet has protocols about away teams in general, and it's usually frowned upon sending the commanding officer on away missions. But the key difference is how the value is determined. If Data is truly meant to be treated like his fellows, then he accepts the same levels of danger responsibility. His being an android is intentionally left out of the equation. This was more a response to someone that looked at Data as more an asset than a being. There's nuance, and I don't like hard and fast rules either way. But in the spirit of TNG and what they were trying to promote, Data was attempting to be "more human." That includes experiencing the trials/dangers of humans. So long as his keeping him from the mission is the same courtesy that would be given a biological counterpart, then I see no issue.
If Androids are still regulated to being "things/property" and not deserving of equal treatment (and to an extent special treatment), then anything is fair game. Data can have his mind subjugated, his "free will" removed, and duplicates of him can be mass produced to serve Starfleet. Starfleet decided against that.
@@ocayaro I mean, Data would probably disagree. The whole point of Data was to be another version of Spock, and TOS made efforts to try and point out that even they (the Vulcans) were not superior to humans (whole episodes and dialogue in the movies dedicated to it).
@@ocayarobecause they made him and saved him and accepted by them
I have always liked this episode two parter for the Picard-Guinan introduction
Data becoming the DM for the traveling group…
Oh no, don't adjust the synchronic distortion, anything but that!!
Angus and me dancing around a campfire naked kicking our legs flapping our hands clanging our teeth bulging our eyes while making high pitched squealing noises, all this to attract UFOs and aliens 😂
I was watching and yelling at the screen "Don't do it!! You'll only create plot complications!!" But they didn't listen.
Here you go Data, a handheld time machine i keep in my dresser drawer. Have fun~
What's kind of funny is that, in 2022, an android capable of sending a signal with that level of clarity would quickly figure out an algorithm for transmitting data via the same connection, and they'd have visual details and telemetry data.
But they needed the data to update data's data but he couldnt be in two places at once.
@@mistag3860 data
I don't know why "telemetry data" from data is so funny to me, treating him like a rocket launch
Data just likes to talk 🤷🏻♂️
How do you know that? Are you an expert on AI?
They temporarily lost their most valued friend and starfleet colleague 😁
This is such an underrated comment (◕ᴗ◕✿)
I've reported this comment to youtube.
But they know Data is best man for the job regardless.
2:45 at this moment, Picard knew he fucked up
Just as he feared
Dear Star Trek HQ
Requisition request for 1 android.
… NOT Lore! 😒
Lost him again 🤦♂️
no YOU lost him
What season and episode is this from?
Season 5 , time's arrow part 1
@@denniskuchar5643 Thanks DK for the answer.
this is the episode where he gets lost and then comes back again.
this was the creepiest episode.
HE IS GONE
Data I recorded data engineer
Data no teliporter time travel ghost radar
Picardy instincts were correct but yet, still did the wrong move. He could have asked the 0 a team to come back emediately at game over.
@Boco Corwin now that's a great piece of advice/knowledge.
The 0 a team?
@@r0bw00d did I spell the wrong? The ohhh ehhh teemmmm
@@robertwieczorek5838 Next time use an O instead of a zero.
@r0bw00d next time can you just stfu?
Damn , losing data would suck , dont imagine one of those things is cheap.
Data was 2nd officer, and a VERY valuable crew member. Why didn’t Riker just send in a Red Shirt? 🤨
Because to do the phase shifting a very accurate phase discriminator was necessary. They didnt have one except for the one inside Datas android brain, hence they could not send anyone else even if they tried.
Red shirts tend to get killed. 😆
So they had Data do this, why? Out of curiosity? Really?
The necessary device they needed to adjust the Synchronic Distortion was a phase discriminator built into his body, it had to be him who did it as they couldn't remove this object from him.
@@kaeaja Ok, but why did they have to adjust the "Synchronic Distortion"? Curiosity?
@@LordUzaki There were aliens called the Dividians that were out of Temporal Sync (Temporal Phase in other words) with the away team and the rest of the universe by a Phase variance of 0.0042% meaning these aliens were a fraction of a second out of sync with the normal flow of time.
By adjusting the Synchronic Distortion created as a result of the Dividans being out of Phase, Data was able to see and interact with them.
Think of its like this, you and I exist in the same flow of time, but if one of us was far enough out of sync with that flow, we'd no longer be able to see, touch or hear each other unless something brought us back into sync.
The rest of the away team after Data desynced himself so he could see the Dividians were able to hear him because Data created a time delayed reaction that accounted for that 0.0042% Phase variance in time.
@@kaeaja I understand all of this, I don't think you are understanding my question. Why? Seems like a incredibly dangerous decision that has a high likelihood of bearing the outcome of Data's death of which everyone involved in aware of.
There doesn't seem to be any kind of impending danger or other immediate reason that makes this action necessary.
So why have Data do this? For curiosity?
@@LordUzaki They were investigating why there was Triolic energy detected where Data's head was found which ultimately led them to Dividia II where they found heavy concentrations of the energy, considering this same energy was detected in the cavern where Data's head was, this makes sense to do.
these were the times when crew members are not constantly barking at each other. I am so sick of modern Star Trek 🤢