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Making cards that'll be this integral to competitive play such high rarity is predatory and will price out a lot of players.
This isn’t anything new
@@crazymage5316 no, but that doesn't mean it should keep happening. It hasn't been THIS bad since something like original DAD decks, or Crush Card bs.
@@Musical_Nero
And?
@@Musical_Nero every card game does this, they make a card they know will be really strong and make it high rarity.
Not only Mulcharmy's are pricing you out. It's also the whole Azamina Archetype thing. I feel like it's all just becoming one huge archetype. Which is cool, but not if it limits your budget options in addition to the new mulcharmys... This game really becomes unplayable if you don't want to spend hundreds..
To be honest, if you put aside the fact it introduce a Maxx C like in a format that didn't wanted to see that kind of card again (Which is already enough), the fact it's a close mandatory x3 that cost most than 100 euro per copy when we are more and more vocal about the price problem (and after an overall bad year when it come to product) is what make that card problematic
It's still extremely strong but the actual issue is the price. As long as it doesn't go down below 10$ at most it's super expensive.
this card is rare in ocg but still expensive, and I still believes that the best way to do this is to change maxx c's effect to Fuwalos'. Konami just don't admit they printed maxx c wrongly.
@@heronlam1982I saw a video where the card is for sale in Japan for 20 Cents… I think it was metagamesgx
I agree with your points. I think the card WOULD be very healthy for the game if everyone could get their hands on it. But knowing Konami the next reprint will not be until the next maze set or even the next tins at a high rarity.
As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if these Mulcharmy cards were literally Maxx "C" straight up; if I have to pay $40+ each on a secret rare that I need x3 of for any competitively viable deck then I will just not play a competitively viable deck. This kind of predatory nonsense from Konami is absolutely disgusting at best.
I'm proud of all the people who're simply not going to play over this. Not supporting the TCG's bullshit is the only way they are ever going to change thm. I seriously urge all players to walk away until these abusive practices die.
Amen thats what im doing as well
It’ll never happen. There is always someone buying an obscene volume of product that doesn’t even play so I’m not sure how effective a player boycott would be
I mean, I'm one of those people but not by choice. I'm forced to go to locals and other events without fuwaloss, meaning the moment I step through the door I'm already at a severe disadvantage. All I can do is bitch about it or give up on all the time, effort and money I already put into this stupid game.
They are already going up from 120 usd to 150 usd after tcg player opened lmao
People is supporting konami
@@Musical_Nero that's called the sunk cost fallacy.
Making a card so good it gets played in pretty much every deck, and people also include all the outs, and it's also very expensive, yes that kind of ruins the game.
so ash ruined the game when it released? Nib ruined the game? This just doesnt make sense
Memento can make basically "full combo" giving a single draw, depending on the way you play it can even play around an ash/imperm topdeck
As a VS player Maxx C didn't bother me since I could do full combo while only give them 2 draws. I'm actually more scared of the charmmie since I summon from the hand way more than the extra.
"It doesn't hurt my specific 0.1% deck, so it's gotta be a fine card even though it hurts 99.9% of all other decks"
@@darethepolarbear5647 Not what they were implying at all
@ DrAiPatch I also play VS and you can definitely give a lot more than just 2 draws. I play a small Spright package to give access to negation or a Mannequin Cat line and a small Horus package to get rank 8 access and draw to find Raizen. Both maintain attribute synergy and don’t run into the issue of certain cards like Belle being awful this format. “Full combo” in VS isn’t just make Rock and special Mad Love, especially with cards like Stake Your Soul and Jialong if you don’t feel like considering other supplemental engines.
You don't get the Fiendsmith stuff though which does suck
"Does going second Maxx C that can be used twice per turn and cost 150 a piece ruin Yugioh?" ...yes
I quit. Enough is enough and we can’t keep putting up with it. I haven’t played the game in months outside of a handful of Master Duel games.
Mostly the price is the bad thing about this card.....which is sad as it's like $10 in OCG.
Guess wait for few reprints like....next year or so lol.
@@invertbrid Tbf is not just the price. Josh directly says "I wouldn't play a deck that can't play around it", the card singlehandely takes cares of so many playable, rogue and even some meta decks by itself.
If Shifter was one sided and everyone played 3 people wouldn't play decks that lose to it either.
I agree it is not AS bad as we expected, but still... it isn't good either
@@StoneWoodNuttersee you in a month bud ;) konami has a death grip on us
@@StoneWoodNutter So you re basically saying "let me spam extradeck + ss from deck without getting punished" you know what the result of those kind of decks are? Full boards full of interactions. Soo wtf should anyone care if people like you leave? You re the same as floodgate players only your turn last forever. It is still the same result for player 2, who has to have the ideal boardbreaker/removal card to deal with your spaming deck. So yeah gtfo the game
Whether it’s good or bad, I think the implication that if maxx gets banned in ocg/md and the multicharmy cards brings the 3 formats closer to each other, that would be interesting. Rn the 3 formats feels like different games.
I think the clear ideal/hope with this card is that it might eventually lead to combining both OCG and TCG together into a fully international TCG. Maxx C is the most divisive card between the two so “just release shittier Maxx C and get rid of C” seems to be the simplest solution.
I hope they fuse the formats at this point, mostly in a vain hope we get the OCG's rarity system...
Imagine they make a third mulcharmy that draws everytime you search or draw... x'D
Btw i just keep playing my Voiceless deck. :)
I’m on the same boat with Drytron
The third mulcharmy draws when you summon from gy or banishment, just wait
No, but the price does.
Both
Yep. After few reprint should've be fine.....😅😅
Yugioh has been a coin flip with extra steps for a long time 😅
The price is just another bad part. The card could be $5 and the gameplay loop it provides would still suck ass. The card is fundamentally broken from a design standpoint since hand traps that draw you cards functionally act like Vanity’s Emptiness from hand since your options are either pass or drown against your opponent’s card advantage. I don’t think “just make a lower impact board” is reasonable either. Fuwalos is, at worst, an Upstart that forces your opponent into a subpar board. And at best it just ends the turn. I don’t think the idea of it only killing certain decks is a valid reason why it’s a fine card. D Barrier doesn’t do anything against decks like Floo or Cyberse piles, but that card has had calls for it to be banned literally since release.
it would be fine if the card was 5 bucks, but 130???? this is disgusting
Actually 150 lol
Why? Ygo is not a charity
Yeah but it’s also a children’s game and shouldn’t cost 450 dollars for 3 pieces of cardboard
@@easyygo3008Because the game is not fun when people can't compete at the same level at locals, both from the perspective of the players who spend and the ones that cannot
@@Ty-wz2dq WHY do yugioh players always fall back on this argument. It is NOT a children's game. It is RATED for ages 6+. That doesn't mean it's a children's game. It simply means that it is safe down to that age and that at that age they might be able to understand it enough to play it. The game in the ocg is actually rated for 12+ and the original manga was essentially pg13. This is an adult game. It is very complex, and expensive. Komoney knows exactly who 90% of their market is and what type of game it is.
TO BE FAIR - It doesn't 'ruin yugioh'. It's just another log on the dumpster fire at this point.
Yet you’re keeping up with a dumpster fire of a game.
@@Gokuvsnaruto22you can still keep up with something while acknowledging it's heading for the cliff. In fact I think it's important to do so if you want to seriously talk about the state of the game, otherwise you'll end up looking like all those people who complain on a surface level about stuff they clearly don't know anything about.
@@spyro2002 Heading for a cliff doesn’t equate to the game already being a dumpster fire. Why are we changing the language for sake of arguing?
Otherwise I agree with your comment. I’m all for criticism.
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 Yes, I am. Do you not know that Time Wizard Formats, casual play, extended media, nostalgia and curiosity are things? To name a few reasons why people like myself are interested in the state of yugioh.
Even people who don't play yugioh at all sometimes come to videos like these to see how other TCGs are doing.
I'm able to watch videos and find topics of Yugioh interesting even though I haven't played the past few formats for a while now.
@@Gokuvsnaruto22it kinda does, no one said the game was dead, dumbster fire just implies something sucks the same way that heading off a cliff implies the same thing.
Like everyone, the pricepoint is a dealbreaker for me, but I generally don’t like cards that can single-handedly win a game if the top meta deck draws it and I didn’t open some interruptions I can just set. If I have to abandon course and make a 1-2 interruption endboard and they open a board breaker and a starter, then it is just going to feel miserable. If every card was a common and I could pivot decks for nothing, then I would be more willing to give it a chance, but I don’t want to find out that my deck I thought could work under fowalos just doesn’t. I know I am catastrophizing a little but the principle of how this card was released and works just upsets me.
If Konami doesn’t want yugioh to die, they should start printing every core staple in low rarity so more casual/rogue deck players can get their hands on it for cheap and still play the game and have the courage to attend more events thanks to having a solid backbone in form of good staples
The power of this card is that it gets drawn by maxx c so that you can find the second copy of it faster
Making this a secret is such a huge middle finger to players. Josh is a pro-player, he obviously invests a lot of money on this game, for most players this is simply not feasible
Yeah, Josh thinking what I used to think. What he unfortunately forgets is that you can also just Main more Floodgates, so that you still win if you go first and have to pass. Tract can search Majesty’s Fiend after all. It’s gonna be a weird situation, but you probably don’t change your deck just because of Fuwalos. You will get hit by it every 6th game (every 3rd going first), and then you will draw the out more than 50% of the time. The actual amount of games in which you need to go for a supoptimal combo, or in which you wish you had picked a Midrange deck, is way too small to make up the difference in power between those types of decks. But Tenpai gets a boost, so decide for yourself if that’s a good thing…
I don't have a problem with having to readjust your strategy or deck to play around this card. It's just the price, the fact that you have to own it to compete, despite not being hurt by the card yourself.
I am not a player that cares about the price ,so i can just say,gameplay-wise i am very excited for it and i think it's going to be healthier than people think.
T1 combo decks suffer the most.
I'm going to enjoy playing my Purrely Deck.😊
Due to the price point, I might just go play Edison at this point
I am really starting to enjoy some of the shape up for this format. Yes, Yubel/Fiendsmith is the clear best deck and there's still a pretty big reliance on non-engine instead of engine vs engine gameplay, but it doesn't feel as overpowering as all the SE formats.
What makes me very sad is the price point. The Fiendsmiths, critical archetypal cards, and now the Mulcharmy's basically make it impossible to pay for this game on a reasonable level
I want to build Chimera/FS/Azamina - one of the cheaper decks this format. It's going to be in the 700$ price range and that's probably generous with some of the new staples that are needed
But at least the format is looking more fun so online client play is back on the table!
Cries in Salamangreat. I can't evem Crossout it since I don't want to buy a 100€ card.
I wasn't playing paper anyways so my position of "continuing to not play the game" may be less impactful, but the disadvantage for not picking this card up _really_ cements me not coming back to the game.
I do think the card is cool though, the absolute worst part of Maxx C that it's advocates seem to not understand is that you can use it going first after you set up a full board in meta decks, which the Mulcharmy's don't have. Even the random put back is at least something, though I feel like it could've been slightly more strict.
Short answer is yes. No other answer other than yes.
I wouldn't hate it that much if it wasn't so expensive.
At least Marincess can end on Toad pass once we get Aqua Angel.
I think Tenpai is just a big problem; passing on I:P or Rabbit is probably not enough to stop a Tenpai combo, so I think it'll just push more people towards Thrust set floodgate, which isn't great YGO imo.
I think another issue here is that Centurion is almost a perfect example of a decent rogue strategy that does not die to Fuwalos; almost everything else out there does.
I think the card's design is good for the game, but the price tag is frustrating.
Seeing people point out the card is like 2 bucks in japan really makes me curious about one thing : why DOES the OCG sell those cards so cheap ? I'm glad it makes the game more affordable for OCG players and I obviously wish the TCG would follow suit, but from a corporate business trying to make money sense, i'm kind of surprised the OCG isn't price gouging cards the same way the TCG does. Is there a historical context behind that ? Did they run the numbers and figure out they simply make more money by making the game affordable to more people ? Or maybe some of law that regulates the price of trading cards ?
There is a lot more competition in between card games in Japan I think
Other than not wanting to be Konami's paypig, I think anything that makes combo players flip tables, prolly ain't a bad thing.
You know what, I agree
The more I read and hear about this card, the less I hated it
I don’t think it’s so easy to separate the effect the card has on the game from the price as two different issues. Most yugioh players especially at locals play their rogue or pet decks which get absolutely slaughtered by this card. The dynamic this card creates is going to be more centered around who can afford it as opposed to how it would theoretically affect the wider meta game. Sure at top tables everyone will have copies and the game will be interesting, but it’s hard to care about that when probably the bottom 50-75% of tables have players who just don’t have the card at all. More Yugioh is going to be played where the dynamic is one player has the card and one player doesn’t than there will be of both players having access, and I think that’s a really crappy move on Konami’s part
I think the card is actually fine, the only 2 issues:
1. Price point, I will say this isn’t something new so if now is when you decide to make your stand on it then sure but this is nothing new for Konami.
2. Not OPT, idk how I feel about the up to twice per turn for mulcharmy cards. I think maybe once per card (Puralia/Fuwaross+whatever comes next) is fine but being able to use 2 of the same seems silly
I think it will wind up being fine, but it should have been two cards not 1. 1 of them draws from Extra Deck only and one draws from deck only. I think purulia (and the eventual gy/banish mulcharmy) are fine. Hitting deck AND Extra decks summons with 1 card does feel kind of crazy though. I guess we will see since we don't have maxx C here to make this card even better, and it has to stand on it's own.
Purrely and floo are good cheap decks that can play very well around this card. Floo is self-explanatory, but Purrely has the potential to chain a quick play to a fuwa activation, and you're very likely to draw 2 quick plays or at least a My Friend Purrely. The only draw they'll get is one from baby noir, or two if you manage to get a big noir that turn.
Centur-Ion can play around 1-2 handtraps and has lines that don't give into Fuwalos. They're really underappreciated; I believe with a build that has more options going 2nd (like with Bystials and Imperm/Ogre), they can do very well in this format.
I think in addition to cross out, ash, and called by the grave, triple tactics thrust is also going to be crucial and you set a powerful turn skip card like d barrier depending on the deck.
wtf if powercreep is a problem KONAMI HAS JUST TO USE THE FUCKING BANLIST not an overprized version of maxx c
I only care because I am a MD gamer and if this card means MAXX G will be banned eventually, then I don't care. I welcome it. You guys can pay $400 while I continue to pay virtually nothing.
Im going to be playing drytron, which mostly summons from hand, and plays around fuwaloss. On the times i do summon from extra, i do run droll. However, to avoid locking myself with droll, giving them an extra card or two will just have to be palatteable. (Also, the TTT handrip will be very helpful here)
I think it’s going to be miserable for rogue / budget decks, which I hate is something people are just okay with because it might help against some meta decks. We know from master duel with maxx c that people will still play the huge combo decks
@@brasil2907most of rogue and budget already miserable anyway, unless shifter decks to some extent.
Fuwalos nerfing 2 best decks actually good. Tho it boosts tenpai too.
@@invertbrid It kill any deck that are somewhat close to meta still tho.
I know plenty of people that have decks that while being rogue can still compete with meta to some extent and strangely they all hard lose to mulcharmy.
Let alone the fact the card reduce a lot of creative deck building because now you have to play the outs to mulcharmy the same way with maxx c in MD
@@fracazeruh no? Decks like lab, mimighoul, runick stun, centurion, fire king, r-ace, Kash among the few can still play under fuwalos. Ofc tenpai too.
The deck that can come close to meta but hurt badly vs fuwarose maybe only RB that I can think of. Also plant if u play in EU.
@@invertbrid ur right I think the solution is to play tenpai it's the funniest deck rn also make sure to play 2 samurai destroyers because kashtira unicorn is a popular tech to banish one and then wall you out with yubel
apparently you only need 2 paidra some kid won a regional with 2 and 2 dora dora so $30 on paidra, $15 on trident dragion, everything else is pennies and you beat $1500 meta decks with shifter sounds like a good deal
i was gonna just keep playing without the card but i pulled a qcsr of it so i traded it for 3 secrets
The problem isn’t the price, the problem is the gameplay that it causes. It is functionally just Maxx C against a lot of decks and can be used twice to get 2 draws per relevant summon. Getting draws from a hand trap just shouldn’t ever happen because they functionally become a Vanity’s Emptiness from hand since you either pass turn or give your opponent a massive amount of draws and lose. Price is only an issue in so far as it prices people out of the game. But the card could be $5 and the gameplay issues would still be present and completely game warping. Given the TCG’s stance on Maxx C I’m fully expecting this bullshit card to get banned
My proxied Dominus Pulse playset in the Lab deck i bring to locals:
Agree with josh. Card punish decks that spam extra and summoning a lot from deck, which are best decks atm. And some decks still can play under it + adjust co bos under it.
Its maxx C but way more balanced, still strong tho. But with this we can make going first a bit weaker.
Im looking forward to the 3rd and 4th mulcharmies. Grave banish for 3rd one surely and 4th one maybe every search draw 1 like shared ride.
You don't make going first weaker, you just make going second stronger meaning you continue down the spiral of powercreep even harder than before.
@@mortis8188 yea, going first already too strong nowdays anyway, so going second does need some boost. This is fine.
At least u have more chance to win going second now than before....just the problem mostly just fuwalos price.
@@invertbrid instead of boosting going second they should turn going first down even more instead of printing cards like Mulcharmys and Maxx C
Card punishes my bank account
@@invertbrid yeah going first is so inherently strong that even with a deck like tenpai that was made to go second and has like two cards that say no to interaction and it still wasnt performing as well as snake eyes and yubel
My solution to this problem is just scooping if I see them activate this, I just am not gonna deal with this kinda card
Besides the unforgivable pricing, a big concern I have with the mulcharmies is that I really would hate for them to basically kill "side decking" by taking up 9 spots of every side decks just because they offer insta wins against specific decks.
In that regard they would be no different to floodgates in the side deck.
Price issue aside, I think Fuwalos is konami's "fix" for the tcg. it's pretty commonly speculated that card design is based around Maxx C which the tcg doesn't have, hence the wildly different banlist. I think Fuwalos is getting sent to the tcg with a sticky note saying "you are not allowed to ban this under any circumstances" and then the banlists are slowly going to converge. You'll see see stuff like baronne and savage dragon make a return until we have OCG and OCG 2. We could eventually even end up with one unified format, with simultaneous world wide releases (and card rarities,). Wouldn't that be nice? *copium
We can have a similar format/banlist, but I doubt we would ever get the quality of products that the ocg gets :(
I disagree with the mulcharmies and Maxx “C” on a conceptual level. There is absolutely zero chance in hell anyone can convince me that my opponent drawing cards for me playing the game is a remotely good idea in any capacity.
Conceptually I cannot agree that a card like Fuwaloss is anything other than a toxically wrong answer. We don’t need cards like Fuwalos. What we need is a 100% GOOD fucking ban list for once. If Konami doesn’t want Yubel for example to be the top deck, they need to grow some balls and kill the deck. The damn thing being a 150 dollar secret is just salt in the wound.
Fuwalos and cards like it cannot exist in a game where Tenpai exists in any capacity. Tenpai already competed with full power Snake-Eyes and Yubel competently while also being only current top deck that doesn’t auto lose to the card. I already hate Tenpai, I would like to continue playing this game in a competitive capacity even if it’s just at a locals level due to scheduling. But Fuwaloss infuriates me enough to seriously consider just NOT playing the game.
i feel ya man, the decision makers at konami are crazy i swear
get shiftered and charmy'd scrub 😂
Tbh Mulcharmies could have been fine if they had a limit for how many cards you can draw, instead of that random shuffle effect that never comes up. 2 cards per Charmy would have been OK. But instead we got this
Dragon Link, makes Seals and pray unironically not terrible into it
Especially with the new metalmorph engine
I'm so happy I pulled 2 mulcharmy in my box one was a qcr~
I just don't like how it completely invalidates some rouge decks, because I'm not a fan of the design of giving the opponent more stuff to do to deal with your board, while you set it up. Because some decks can spin their weels for solid 5 minutes and you can still play through it with your opening hand and dropping a fuwaross on them idk just doesn't feel good
To play around this card and not have to buy a playset, I'm gonna continue playing one piece o7
Purrely... It can just make Little Noir and then Big Noir on the opponent's turn. Which isn't bad.
Im gonna be playing centur-ion bystyal. I think the bystyals give the deck more options for the plays it can do and its probably the best deck to abuse etude of the branded as ive done some crazy things like setting up some bodies with etude and the field spell in play and passing without letting my opponent draw any cards only to start disrupting them on their turn after theyve started committing plays.
My deck choice for the forseeable future is gonna be Charizard. Seems pretty fun and the whole deck costs about as much as one copy of Engraver.
ROTA might be the bane of the TCG, no cap. If they had managed set rarities in a more mindful way it would have been a really good set.
Its just a joke to have such a game warping staple being kept under an unreasonable price lock.
The game itself won't die. There are tons of cards thus ppl will find good deck which can play optimally under it.
We can cope all we want on it not being Maxx C, that doesnt change the fact that at least for 80% of strategies it is Shifter on crack.
This card is busted. It's extremely strong against broken Meta-Decks but at the same time, it makes broken Meta-Decks even more busted.
This deck is the first time that I ever call "Pay-2-Win". It's a legal and expensive Maxx C on steroids, I refuse to say that Maxx C is even close to effective and broken like this if you see and take in account everything of it.
Any attempt to downtalk the severity of this problem is just a poor attempt at "seeing things positive", a terrible try of poor euphimism. It's on levels of "He's in a better place now." bad.
A deck is terrible against it because "it does way too much anyway" is such an awful take, because that is simply not how the game works anymore and we all know that ...
maxx c is literally stronger..
@@wolfwolf7152 If you think so, good for you 🤷🏽♀️
I get the idea that Fuwalos might insentivise a lower ceiling on decks, but that is the exact argument that has been made for Maxx C. Unfortunately I see the minigame as inevidable for most decks, just like in master duel.
Also the problem is again, just like with Maxx C, that this targets combo heavy decks in total, not just the top perfoming ones.
That, along with the pricing makes me believe that many players will skip this format, hoping for a quick ban.
I'm taking Centur-Ion to locals tomorrow; curious to see other peoples opinions
The card especially illustrates how sick Maxx C is. A broken card that is super stable and at the same time is not even close to the power of Maxx C.
as a salamangreat player I cry trying to think of a line that plays around it. Now They get to draw 40 cards to find the nib to end my board :(
Don't kid yourself. They have it in hand anyways.
I really dont know why konami has adopted a different method for sealed product. In the ocg you can get every card in common or rare. As well as really high rarity. Which is totally fine. People will always want high rarity cards. Players or collectors alike. But it wont bar people who cant afford a $450 playset of ONE card.
These no guarantee that they’re going to draw fuwalos and something like droll, so decks that add from deck to hand and summon from hand and/or grave have ways to play around. While not getting completely screwed out of a board.
RIP gigantic spright
Since my Budget this season is cut to almost nothing, i will Play a Deck that Just ignores it and that basically No one has on the monitor. Will see how successful it will be at German open
I just can't wait till it comes to master duel and we get a format where we have 3 Maxx C and 3 of this card.
Branded is another mid-range deck can also play through it well, just make one fusion like sanctifire and set up to play on their turn
okay but then they KILL you, that's a big part of its charm to make you "play around it" and then kill you...they had a solid chance to kill you without you nerfing your board but now you are very probably dead
Guys, how long was mystic mine legal?
I think this will be a similar situation
Funny that this card is just 50 (lowest price) cent in ocg, so price is never a problem here
Let’s be honest here Josh. The card exist so whether or not people like it at this point don’t matter. I appreciate in this video that you are trying to make the card seem less as bad(and I agree) but it’s not the real problem.
The real problem(which you mentioned) is the price & accessibility. Because of this card, the gap between the best decks, & other rogue deck stretches further. People who had a chance before will struggle more. If konami made this card accessible right away let’s say… in multiple rarity EVERYONE would pick up the card(let’s not lie about it). I think that it would be better this way then to only have a certain few who can afford it. Yeah, I understand Konami has to print it later on to make more $$$, but I’m sure everyone can also agree. THIS card will never lose its value in early reprints. Maybe later on, if the card keeps getting reprinted, but I still don’t see it. It’ll drop then, rise back up.
The main worry I have about this card is that it will make Tempai completely insufferable. With 3 copies of this and 3 Shifter there is essentially 6 turn skips they can draw against you turn one. The other annoying property of this card is that you can activate it twice per turn so even if you have the Ash Blossom to counter it, if you got unlucky and your oppoenent drew two of them you still lose and that is going to feel real bad.
Some decks that look like theyre just dead might just need to be built differently. Like im trying salad with horus and thrust since its naturally good with those cards and those are great against fuvorous (or however you spell it). That build also allows for impulse to be played so ive got high hopes rn
Other possibly dead deck mentioned was marincess which im not the most familiar but the adventure engine might help along with other things (not sure what though)
TCG environemment was better than OCG because we didn't have Maxx C. Now is no longer the case. I am considering quitting ygo because of Fuwaross (and the future multcharmies: konami will surely print 1 for each attribute...). Let's see how this format evolves
I mean fixing going second is a thing now.
We are criing to konami to fix the game. But when they actually does something that changes big you just don’t like it
What? Set up minimum board and use head to disrupt opponent with non-engine?
Bro, what is the point of throwing a lot of money when you cannot set up the FTK and auto-win?.
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Yeah, the price is crazy. The only unfair thing from this card is just the price.
I hate it that it is yet another band-aid fix card. Also the game has a LOT of very powerful non-engine cards to draw into and modern decks can play 15-20 non-engine for cards that were designed in decks that originally played 3-9 non-engine. For a card like Fuwalos not be a problem the critical mass on non-engine needs to be culled. I also like to see cards that counter it like Ash, Called By and Crossout to be banned so that Fuwalos HAS to be respected in your deck design, like Nibiru. Then this card will have the "positive" impact you want to see.
As a Salamangreat player Purulia twins, nibiru and shifter will make the game unplayable for me
Yes it will so don't play Salamangreat try to pick up a budget Shifter deck and farm locals with that
$420 on average for a play set of these things on TCG player $140 each, No, just no I don't want to be in debt $400 for 3 pieces of cardboard. This card won't be band but I do see it getting knocked to 1 per deck probably sometime next year. We'll probably see a reprint in the next Mega tin set with the same and higher rarity not lower. The only possibility that we see an easy availability for this card is if it's the card they decide to use to replace Maxx-C in the new Blue Eye's structure deck that comes out February of next year, but that is a sliver of a chance.
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Ah yes multcharmy fuwaross i havent used this card since the heian era
Honnestly I still don't feel like this is the way to make the game more enjoyable. Yeah nice, now we have even more excuses to print spam_the_extra.deck cause surely it won't be relevent due to fuwalos. Meanwhile going second under decks that don't care about fuwaloss will still be hell. Making a good going second card does not mean making the going second player go +infinity or restrict your plays. Phantasmay is cool cause it fixes your hand, Kirin and havnis are cool cause you can start advancing your own gameplan before the opponent's interactions are up, hell even non lingering hand traps are fine cause it only ever challenges your line knowledge and how good you are at recovery lines. I think the worse part is inequity, yeah the meta or close to meta have ways to play around and make "healthier" boards backed up with 3 hand traps but the dragunity player that ended on 3 disruption and needed to spam the extra is screwed 6 ways to sunday.
And, well, my pet deck died twice this year, first by making support that takes the deck in the wrong direction, then by printing a card that makes the opponent go +20 for a back up line.
Yeah I know birds must die but konami didn't need to go that path too...
I only wish the price ACTUALLY gatekept people from using Fuwalos at locals, as it is now it's just pay to win.
Im priced out because of fuwalos, my stance is not giving yugioh any money until its affordable. And then maybe if enough other people do the same there'll be some actual change in the way we get cards
I'll just buy my Tenyi/Swordsoul and Dragon link support and wait till next format I guess...
Fuwaloss is a makeshift solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the overwhelming power of going first.
Is it the perfect solution? No. However it is a good step in the right direction for game dynamics
Dang being a yugi-tuber must be tough. Imagine having to make topics like this seem like hard questions for the sake of content. “Is Maxx C 2.0 a bad for the game????🤔🤔🤔”
The only issue for me is price, 450ish for a Playset is tough
Shortest answer, looks at Maxx C, looks back at 2 different Maxx Cs that can chain on top of another even handtrapped and legal at 3 a piece: yes.
Meanwhile, me playing Mayakashi trying to figure out if I just attempt the deck out or am relegated to only going 2
The most annoying part about this card that drives me mad besides the price is why is the activation not a hard OPT how you can just chain another to give the finger to ash/called/etc
If staple cards are going to be expensive the core cards should be cheap vise versa. Or they just print every card in every rarity
Fuwalos really hurts the **current** best decks like Yubel and Snake-Eyes and it doesn't hurt a lot of others, like Memento, Centur-Ion, Rescue-Ace, Voiceless Voice, Labrynth, Tenpai. But at the same time this hurts a LOT of other decks. Salamangreat, Marincess, Raidraptor, Blackwing, Virtual World, HERO, Mermail Atlantean, Blue-Eyes, Maliss, Insects. It's bad in the same way Maxx C is bad in the OCG. It kills decks IMMEDIATELY on release if they have no good way to play around it and the decks that can, become the best decks. It's trash design overall that narrows the pool of viable decks. Forcing people to play certain types of decks, which is the antithesis to what makes Yugioh great. I suspect it'll get banned at some point. Staples that warp the meta around them are always bad for the health of every TCG.
Except it doesn’t do that. People said for ages that “Maxx C keeps combo in check” yet you look at the OCG and their top decks are pretty much the same. Fuwalos won’t prevent anything. You’ll just have 1/3 games where you get hit with it and you either have to have the Ash/CBTG/Crossout or you pass turn. There’s no shot in hell this card doesn’t get banned in the TCG.
@@dariuspenner2528 Yubel has been practically dead since July in the OCG, before even being hit on the banlist because that's the month Fuwalos released. The current best decks in the OCG play under Maxx C, Shifter and Fuwalos better than every other viable deck. Voiceless Voice did much better in the OCG meta than the TCG because it played under Maxx C really well.
Maxx C and Fuwalos warp the meta and force certain types of decks into meta contention and force others out. That doesn't mean the best decks will always be different between the TCG and OCG because of Maxx C, or that combo decks can never be the best. It just means they have to be EXTRA POWERFUL, compared to everything else. Which is its own problem.
What will I do? I will stop playing at a competitive level and stop spending money. I'll play once every 2 weeks or so while I continue developing my own card game
sincerely, last drop I needed to quit the game for a while. Not feeling like dropping 300 bucks for a cardgame I havent been enjoying a lot recently.
My answer ist to play Tenpai, because I love Synchro xD Maybe I try Centurion. I think the card is good for the format, it takes ps from Yubel and Snake Eyes but the price is more than stupid tbh. I hope no one buys this card so the price drops or Konami is forced to reprint it
It doesn't ruin the game by itself. What ruins it is its price tag and the greedy fucks at konami who thiught it was a great idea to print it as a secret
I just bought a purrely core and the second it arrived i realized the mistake i made with this card being in the format. Guess it's time to blind second
I want them to add Fuwalos to Master Duel ASAP so they can get rid of Maxx C already.