Exposing the Absurdities of Modern Academia | Helen Pluckrose
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2023
- In this clip, Helen discusses the backstory of her notable paper on "rape culture in dog parks" and its implications for the effectiveness of the peer review process.
Helen Pluckrose, who came to prominence for her part in the so-called Grievance Studies hoax, discusses the decline in academic standards and postmodernism in campus culture. Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay have recently published Cynical Theories. John interviewed Helen and James online recently to discuss their ground breaking book Cynical Theories - watch this space, it will be broadcast very soon.
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When she says, "We didn't actually examine 10,000 dogs' genitals," it was comedic gold.
That was hilarious.
it was great, thier whole thing was about producing what they thought was obviously bogus academic papers to see where the holes where in the whole scheme. they fact they got stuff published is a masterful execution on thier part
@@biketchhow is it disappointing?
Their brilliant exposé of the utter ideological take over of academia and the universities deserved SO much more coverage.
kind of. the issue is that we can train a dog to sit but not to understand. meaning, we can teach the scientific method to morons like you, but we can not teach them to understand and think so we end up with fallacies.
A film maker documented the whole stunt but he’s never done anything with the footage, it’s crazy.
There is a connection between The Neo Marxist Frankfurt School and Maoism in the use of the "Struggle Session" or the shaming and terrifying of the none adherents of the doctrine into inertia.
The obvious difference though is that many Academics in the West against this elimination of culture display a moral cowardice based primarily upon the fear of reduced income and status.
In Mao's China and Pol Pot's Cambodia they died.
Back in the late 60's and early 70's there was a spoof journal called the "Worm Runners Digest" where legit academics would write up silly tongue in cheek "scientific" experimental psychological research articles such as "Learned Helplessness in Pet Rocks", or "Modifying Leaf Dropping Behavior in Trees". These articles were hilarious and everyone recognized they were satire and in jest. Now we discover they were, in a manner, prescient of current academic insanity.
Heh. I'm old enough to remember when "Is it a boy or a girl?" "Well, it's a little early to be enforcing gender roles on it, isn't it?" was satire in a Monty Python movie. Now I have lived long enough to see it become the zeitgeist.
@@joeday4293 It didn't become the zeitgeist. It has to be accepted by a majority to be that. It's only reality for the mentally ill and those who carry water for them in order to facilitate a political agenda.
Great call back 👏
that kind of thing has been going on for decades. it was simply ignored and completely swept under the rug in late 2020. hmmm...
All it highlights is that 95% of Academics in their careers will do sweet FA.
Good on ya, Helen. Even the Babylon Bee couldn't have done so well with mockery.
True
The paper quoting meinkampf, and replacing Jews with men being peer reviewed by feminist gender studies, was the most telling example of the capture of our institutions, and the deep set hatred of men in our culture.
Not just "men" it was specifically White men.
@@CMP-st5wh thank you for the correction. 👍
This just reminds me of modern art. Prankers used to get kids and animals to scribble on a canvas and so-called art critics would stand their rubbing their goatee bearded chins calling it a work of genius. When informed it was just childish daubs they still maintained it had artistic merit. These feminist nutters would probably say that being pranked demonstrated the validity of their whole argument and that they would continue to fight the good fight despite there being no fight to begin with.
Funny you brought that up, many years ago now in a sizable city there was a creative act competition started and lasted about 3 months with a monetary prize at the end, the big day arrived with dozens of entries but guess who won? Some fairly well known artist who was overseas at the time, who got someone to empty a waste basket on the floor at the show as his entry!
It’s what happens when something reaches its pinnacle and then if something doesn’t transform, it becomes a shell of its former self. Especially in a society that reaches peak comfort. The people become a shell of themselves. Complaining about nothing and don’t see their hyper orivelege
@@Robisquick true, a lot of people are ungrateful for what they have at their fingertips, while literally millions of people worldwide think they are lucky to get one good meal a day!
@@nigelmcculloch3746 It’s all about perspective and struggles are relative to one’s distress tolerance. Which means it should be encouraged for able bodied people to be challenged at a young age physically, like boot camps or scout camps so that other challenging issues aren’t nearly as bad in comparison. And when other challenges don’t feel as bad, then suicide will seem like a way less reasonable option. And radical acceptance, exposure therapy, dbt, CBT, and less intrusive medications will help round out the edges.
@@nigelmcculloch3746 "while literally millions of people worldwide think they are lucky to get one good meal a day!"
cry me a river.
Helen is quite a hero to me. She has exposed the nonsensical beliefs which many so-called intellectuals believe today. The book she co-wrote "Cynical Theories" was a real revelation regarding the sick ideology of postmodernism which is prevalent in some parts of modern academia.
Most parts of academia
@@dr.justinspiehs Yeah, hard to say how prevalent it is. I work in a university and see plenty of woke-ism, but there are also many who are against it, but tend to keep quiet about it.
@@OJB42No, it’s actually very easy. Adjust look at the woke nonsense on the school’s websites and in their curriculum.
@@kingpin3795 It goes far beyond what is officially acknowledged though. There is an underlying ideology of wokeism in many parts of academia.
@@OJB42Again, *most. K-12 is academia as well, and it's chock full of leftists.
Thank you for exposing the dangerous sociology research and the professors and journals that are clearly gaming the "publish or perish" academic system.
I did my thesis for Sociology on censorship and obscene lyrics for my honours year, and one of the professors who marked my essay thought I had an axe to grind because I liked heavy metal. Yes, it was partly true, because yeah, more people back then were censoring metal and almost criminalising it. Now, that other people (who listen to other genres of music) are getting censored, it’s good to see the shoe on the other foot, because now I don’t have to be mocked for liking something no one else does and it’s delicious 😂
Yes and this is also related to the notion that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." I think these "academics" are horrified at the thought of ever having to be out in the real world, working and producing widgets, that they'll do anything to get complete horseshit published.
My daughter went to PSU, and the only bright point was that she started out as a progressive and graduated as an enlightened conservative
Was it the absurdity of Leftist arguments?
Congratulations! And I am sure she is a much happier person for it.
I'm glad that worked out. If a relative of mine went to PSU I would just go ahead and plan a memorial service for their soul.
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Holy smokes! Glad it turned out the right way. Seems like that never happens.
I've been listening to James Lindsay's pod casts ( a real eye opener ) and only recently discovered his involvement with these hoax papers, absolutely split my sides that these studies were accepted.
There's a good podcast from a few years back with James and Peter on the Joe Rogan Experience where they go into detail about the different papers they submitted. Should still be on UA-cam
Everything that can be used to feminist/woke views is accepted without question in the modern day and age.
A very good friend of mine is a university staffer. He was in a high level meeting where he found out that there's a sharp decline in enrollment numbers; to the point where some departments from other universities have to merge together to stay alive.
That's just fine with me. These institutions do nothing but crank out, let's just say, not very bright people. Who believe that socialism and all the things associated with it is a good idea, despite people who actually went through it telling them contrary, factual things.
There are a plethora of examples online of kids who don't know even basic facts. Some literally can't find Canada or Mexico on a map without it being named on it.
As far as I'm concerned, these places of allegedly higher learning should be turned into low rent housing. That would be a more useful purpose. Academia has outlived its usefulness.
Perhaps the kids need to go back to primary school?
@@davidwarren4569 With actual teachers who care more about teaching than complying with and pushing forth an agenda.
@@oldgoat142 There’s a number of good reasons why home schooling groups are becoming more and more successful and utilized!
@@ellenrittgers990 Yes indeed, least of which they actually TEACH.
This paper was in a geographical newsletter
SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO SHOOT THE MESSENGER ???
There is no end to the absurdity when there is an unending demand for “original” doctoral dissertations.
Helen is so cool. As a current random, I've had the pleasure of exchanging messages and comments with her. She was never "too big" to mingle with the plebs (as it were) unlike others, even (but especially) those on "our side". Mind you, I'm a grad student, so it's not like I don't speak their language. Helen is different though.
Thanks for being honest.
Academia is becomming a joke fueled by agendas and agenda funding.
I'd say most academics aren't like this. The problem is, academics aren't pushing back against this fashionable ideological nonsense due to fear or 'rocking the boat' or what have you. It's a problem because this is and will continue to undermine trust in academia, which means academics *should* be the ones most motivated to push back against this.
@@paulw5039 Actually a critical mass of academics are like this. Why Because academia has been extremely leftwing for decades. So even if someone isn't leftwing, they needed to accept and propagate leftwing dogma to survive in academia Now ideologues do the research, fund the research, peer review the research, administrate the schools, run the programs, and chair the departments. The same has occurred in government, corporations, and even militaries across the West.
How else do you explain medical journals and pediatric academies recommending hormones and genital surgery for children? Schools teaching 2+2=5 if the child feels that way. The list of absurdities which are now realities is long. Worse... dissent to the absurdity carries consequences of being fired, censured, censored, silenced, doxxed, and/or debanked.
We are approaching extraordinary dark times. Either these ideologues will succeed in their globalist totalitarian utopian designs. Or they fail and we'll live under a Chinese Communist Party or a Jihadi totalitarian 'utopia'. We must find a way to root out the enemies of western civilization within our walls... and quick.
@@paulw5039they are cowards plain and simple
Becoming?
The vast majority of academia has ALWAYS been a joke, hate to break it to you. If it isn't a hard, objective science it's not worth the $80k-$250k you're paying for it.
A few years ago, I read an article about a university that spent nearly 500,000 pounds studying the dynamics of wobbling jelly?
Doesn't seem so ridiculous now!
I’ve been listening to a ton of podcasts lately and I can actually appreciate those studies now. They sound absolutely ridiculous yeah, but they can go on to be of great use. I mean studying wobbling jelly is essentially what architects are doing when earthquake-proofing their designs
wobbling jelly is great, think from perspective of simulate that thing movement and braking point.
That probably had practical applications. Look up the Christchurch earthquake.
"Jelly on a plate, jelly on a plate,
Wibble-wobble, wibble-wobble,
Jelly on a plate!"
As pointed out, studies like that are fine, they do have applications in material science and other fields.
A few decades ago scientists were doing studies on the movement of warm syrup, those studies allowed us to model the behaviour of magma viscosity and make better informed decisions about the dangers of volcanoes and decide if we should issue an evacuation order or not based on the size of the melt pool and how much magma is actually capable of erupting.
We also now understand that super volcano chains are mostly caused by plate tectonic movement over hot spots caused by the rising and cooling of magma between the mantle and the core.
Well done for bringing this up again, as the political fallout of academia's rabid fundamentalism is now more acute than ever. As for Pluckrose and her colleagues, they are my heroes.
I really wish Helen would get out and fight even more. She’s not obligated to by any means, but she has an opportunity to be a seriously important voice in history. She already is of course, but she needs to be amplified much more. I hope she finds the courage and energy to keep fighting.
100& agree .
This is a classic. Every time I hear it, I laugh.
At :39 she says "thats when you see the madness appear" lol and she is right about that.
This academic is a hero.
They have done this sort of test before in a European country. I can't remember which one. It, as expected, wasn't given a lot of coverage in the media of course.
Helen is a legend. Great to see this interview.
Gold, "the left will eat itself alive," the funniest story I've seen , absolutely brilliant
Academia is broken. When you send your children to the educational cartel you loose them.
and they frequently become unemployable.
I’ve been an adjunct professor for 13 years. I almost quit 8 years ago. Not because my institution is so bad but because of how embarrassing academia is. I didn’t want to be associated with it. I stayed with it because of the enjoyment on help my students as well as my love of learning.
@@jamesdellaneve9005almost taking a stand doesn’t count, James. Have some backbone.
@@dr.justinspiehs Not sure what you are referring to. Taking a stand. Trying to change a University Department that is not woke? Is that you’re point? BTW, I am on the board of a Christian K thru 8 school. It’s in the suburbs and not competing with failed urban schools. Our kids graduate 2 to 3 grades ahead of their suburban neighbors. Also, we launch software projects to the International Space Station. Oh yeah. We only charge $7,000. Here in Cali, they claim to spend $14K per student but it’s more like $24K.
@@jamesdellaneve9005you kept collecting those checks despite realizing how bad academia is.
Reminds me of the delightful "Journal of Irreproducible Results". The papers would have gone down a treat in that magazine. But, apparently, these academics have no sense of humor to accompany their no common sense.
I want to see more of her stand up acts.
More people need to see this. Honestly, as a former scientist, I love how this proves that I was correct for leaving such a backwards and corrupt system. Thank you for the video!!
And to think that in the mid-90s, my biggest hassle with libs was when I wanted to watch a space shuttle launch in the TV room and I had to listen to a litany of, "That thing is what is wrong with America. That money should be going to feed poor people." Then I'd tell them that I don't talk when Pulp Fiction is on the box in here, so you can shut the f**k up for 4 minutes here. It was also obnoxious sitting next to some greenie chick that hasn't showered in a couple of days because she's saving water for the environment. They'd walk around campus barefoot, which was disgusting.
🤔 interesting, at one time there used to be a practice that I knew by the name “bunking”. In some fields professors or researchers (usually with tenure) would put out bunk papers specifically to attract the attention of other researchers to assault the papers weaknesses. 🤷 I’m in my 50s and I really rather assumed that the same sort of thing was still happening. 😳 This suggests not? Oddly, professors approaching retirement used the mechanism to access wether they should retire. If no one bothered to contest complete nonsense it meant that no one was reading the paper or the credibility of the researcher had declined to the point where they were no longer relevant.
How did peer review fit into this process?
Well done Helen. A true hero! Your work deserves so much more coverage!
Note to the world at large: be careful hiring anyone who graduated from there and be very cautious with any papers published from there.
my oldest son will get his bachelor of science degree by mid next year and has no clue what he will do for a living. my younger son is a third year electrician apprentice, likes his job and will be a full on.electrician by the end of next year
Helen is a gem. Her books are excellent.
This is a strong case for more technical training institutions. Defund every “____ studies” course and train for trades or healthcare that is respects biology.
For anyone who didn't catch it, I she doesn't believe any of that. She wrote absurd papers to test the flaws in academic/scientific paper review system
She clearly did a banging job!!! 😂😂😅
Thanks for that… trying to put it in context without the back story… now I know
All three of these people involved in this deserve more spotlight. Even if you are for the fields like Gender Studies, you should welcome challenges to the academic process.
The fact they have largely been shunned by Academia as a result of all of this is very telling of what is going on.
Academia has been watered down by its wider accessibility. It is now filled with people only interested in obtaining a qualification rather than people actually interested in a particular discipline. Peer review is full of disinterested “academics” who don’t even challenge the data, let alone the study. Our drive to make university education accessible to all, a very worthy seeming cause, has backfired by resulting in extremely mediocre and bored academia, producing meaningless, and sometimes fabricated, studies.
This is what you get when you have to push the idea that everyone is an equal blank slate at birth, and can be educated into a genuis.
“Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.”
-Rene Descartes
We have to stand up, men and women of character and integrity. Speak the truth or forever hold yourself as a coward who let their family be censored and harmed.
I was trying to figure out if this is a joke or not! John Anderson looks like he’s trying to hold it together listening to this woman. The world is hurling headlong into madness! Why worry about ‘climate change’? We’ll self destruct from our own stupidity long before the earth burns itself out!
This video is not a joke. The woman was involved with a prank/mock academic paper that woke academic journals loved. They did it to expose the insanity of modern academia.
Ha!
This is about exposing woke 'science' journals. They published a bunch of bogus 'research' to see if the journals would accept it, however ridiculous it was. And lo and behold, the journals just published it because it fit their agenda.
Her point is that those journals publish highly biased material at the very least and complete bs at it's worst.
And instead of getting recognition for exposing this, her colleague got reprimanded for 'fake data'. Yes off course the data was fake, the whole point was to prove that this journal would publish such nonsense.
@@tin2001many more than one, academics aim for one published every year.
Helen, Peter and James produced 10 in a year.
One received an outstanding review and was included in the publication concerned publishing it as a best piece of research in their 25 year history.
Peer reviewed academic papers are a joke, everyone knows that, academics included.
Climate never changes.
I talked to a professor who said this "peer-reviewed" stuff is really just academic friends skimming through it and signing off on it. People attach way too much importance to that.
Imagine the NUTTY PAper they could do on how men buy meat in the supermarket.
Helen deserves a fan club. She's an excellent public intellectual. Her prose is terrific, and she speaks in the same complicated paragraphs! Always feel like I'm encountering a well-ordered mind listening to her.
'Thin Privilege', wow. I've read her stuff for years but only just now see what she looks and sounds like. Confronted with my own prejudices is jarring. She cool.
Brilliant… Thank you very much...
I read Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay a few years ago. The book really helped me make sense of the world.
Keep up the good work, particularly in exposing the toxicity of the influence of Foucault and Derrida on American campuses. Nonsense will always be nonsense, whether people see it or not; this much is clear from Till Eulenspiegel, as well as in the tale of the Emperor’s New Clothes.
In defense of most of academia, this was one journal that's not taken all that seriously outside of Gender Studies (which is an illegitimate field to begin with).
Helen Pluckrose is a badass. She deserves more attention.
Absolutely Stellar Work yet again. Lindsay has truly found a champion of rational thought.
The absolute ridiculousness of Fouceau and mindless minions as they seek to make mindless dawdlers of their followers reeks of a deep treason against humanity
None of these people deserve voices at all
An awful lot covered in a short conversation here. Thanks for your work, Helen and James. If Academia is steering society off the rails we're really in trouble.
Helen is a national treasure and her and her friends and colleagues needs protecting at all costs!
I remember when her partner was on either joe rogan or timpool years ago talking about this when it first happened. Glad to see the absurdity is still being shared.
I had to sop watching because I was laughing too much. Buy she probably got funded to do this via tax payer money
Unfortunately it's important work to point out the ridiculous nature of some sections of academia atm.
Ur comment made me laugh so hard thanks
Never in a million years would Academia fund a study to embarrass itself. One of her co authors is being dragged through years long disciplinary hearings for not getting permission.
They did this for free.
I'm pretty sure Helen Pluckrose and her co-authord got no money at all. They exposed the emperor's clothes of academia.
I can remember when Alan Sokal, a professor of physics did a similar thing in the 1990s. He submitted a bogus (and laughably nonsensical) article to a top sociology journal and got it peer reviewed and accepted. Needless to say, the sociologists attacked him rather than addressing the intellectual bankruptcy he exposed.
On the Reef Rebels site Peter Ridd has just exposed the extremely poor state of science in our institutions and it is frightening.
What is this nightmare we live in?
Destruction is the only purpose.
Helen is so smart. I love listening to her.
Probably should put in the description the interview was in 2019.
Where’s the full video?
Universities need a reset button and it needs to be pushed ASAP.
Who’s going to push it?
@@dr.justinspiehs Someone who is awake, not woke.
@@Mike__Gyou are naive and a fool if you actually believe it will be that simple and that someone exists to do that
Helen is brilliant -Thanks for giving her a platform ! Don't worry, Peter quit Portland state and most definitely landed on feet.
What if there isn't a hidden reality, what if we're just seeing what we want to see?
I am happy to say I did not comprehend anything she said. Makes me feel good about myself maybe contrary to opinion I’m not full of BS. But just full of useful stuff.
This plain crazy....!!!!!!!!😢
So scary thoses peoples influence others in universities and schools.....!!!!!
Just as teachers, professors and/or schools should and do check for plagiarism publishers should have verified ANY story they publish. There should be case law to protect this woman’s organization!
John's expression 1.15. Priceless.
Good on her for exposing it
Helen Pluckrose is a gift to us all.
There is only one thing to say to this culture, John. “Really!”
Didn't someone on Rogan say they made that study up?
Thanks.
She is absolutely adorable. I love what she did.
Brilliant!
This woman is a hero
Wow this is what the world is coming to. The weird part is people listen to her which makes it unbelievable
The nervous chuckles might be and indication of, “it sounded better in my head”, type scenario
We realy are in trouble, thats a given at this point. I am pondering though... will this be removed, or really well hidden from most by the tactically constructed policies at play?
She did this years ago.
@@jasonotto9126 The exposure is current and is, was and always will be controversial.. is my point.
@mrgoodman6620 my bad. But yeah this is why I find it extremely difficult to 'follow the science ' especially when counterpoints to current theories are treated like crackpot theories and crazy talk. I'm so sick of this world I'm glad I live out bush basically
My university killed the social sciences research funding, at first I was outraged, but I now see it as a means to curtail the nonsense that has hamstrung US universities.
Keep going, we need you
Wow, she is a treasure,
How does John Anderson keep a straight face?
Amazing insight to real male psyche using the dog park testing ground. This women has a clearer understanding of men and sexuality than I've ever heard.
You didn't watch the whole video did you?
😂
At the time I thought this will change things, but not many know.
The trouble with academia is mainly that academics silo their students and phd candidates into their way of thinking, so research gets published with certain stints on it which permeate the field; but secondly, academia is oversubscribed with students who all want to make their own mark on academia, the down side is that there are increasingly outlandish studies and relationships being developed to give these students an edge. Academia has become a mockery of its original purpose.
I LOVE YOU HELEN!
Helen is far braver and more stunning than Lizzo!
That's a fact.
You go Kweeeeen! Yassss ❤
this makes perfect sense to me
This is SO what academia is like these days. I got out nine years ago and never looked back!
She's trying to fix it
The investigation was about revealing the biases in academia. I see no problem with data falsification towards that end.
I like when John looks at her like she is something from outer space.
Just shows how mad the world has become…🤪😳
Genius!
We need a dog focused “me too” movement. Male dogs are DOGS!
Heres the thing about grape. The dude in most of these cases they bring up... he would have to get it up. If anything, i would predict that grape goes down in current year.
The other disgusting thing is that I have seen people put the obesity clip out of context which really annoys she is doing such a fantastic job and that is heavily disrespectful
It used to be we put people like the publishers and peer-reviewers of these journals in mental institutions and gave them heroic doses of Thorazine and Electro-Shock therapy.
Now we give them Ph.Ds, and high-paid positions in academia.
And people wonder why our society is collapsing in the West...
Bravo for exposing the degeneracy, unhinged insanity, and depraved sickness that Academia has become...
She did good work but she didn't expose anything more than the one poor quality journal that published the 'study' without criticizing or actually challenging it. What she did has no bearing on academia overall. Don't try and lump everything you don't understand in with the worst examples of it, literally anything can be painted negatively with such simple minded generalizations. You're no better than the fools that didn't look critically at the 'study' by applying generalizations so broadly.
What was exposed and to whom?
what did she say ????
The number of real examples now of test cases deliberately formulated to show how utterly broken and biased regions of the evidence base (and associated academia) is.
The fact that people didn't read the title and realise this was a roast is pretty much evidence that stupidity is increasing exponentially