Honestly, I think I finally found someone I can actually agree with who is actually on my side of the political spectrum. Helen Pluckrose is the first liberal activist I've found who is well-spoken, well-researched and is actually in favor of healthy debate and open communication among people of all different ideologies. Plus she's also fairly independent of the influence of corporations or specific political parties which could cause conflict of interest to occur in her intellectual arguments, I was so happy to see that when I went to the Areo magazine website, that it's not a subsidiary or sponsored by a larger company and is actually funded through independent donations. Too many of the well-informed activists and speakers I've seen have been conservative, which isn't inherently a problem, but I did notice an imbalance between conservative speakers and liberal speakers, in that many liberals aren't willing to have a civil debate and open conversation, even among other liberals, while conservatives have many great debaters who are well educated and well spoken, and many of them work for or are sponsored by openly conservative companies which have an agenda to push, which can promote intellectually disingenuous ideology, which compromises a correct message for a cohesive and digestible one which has the potential to do a lot of harm. Areo and Helen Pluckrose specifically have made my day because they're actually open to communication among all kinds of people, and someone can FINALLY voice the views and talking points that get glossed over by conservative intellectuals. My biggest issue is, I don't think it's widespread enough or large enough to be accessible for most people, if something is truly gonna be successful in bringing people together from all ends of the political spectrum, it needs to be able to speak as loudly as the mainstream partisan voices that people are hearing, because the biggest obstacle to bipartisan freedom of speech and press, and science, is people knowing it exists in the first place, and not settling for "good enough" with the mainstream extremes. Really, I think Areo, and Helen Pluckrose could benefit massively if they had more of a social media presence, specifically on UA-cam, as all the things I can find are things like this, where it's just third party interviews, which is nice, but it doesn't make much room to let someone's voice be heard on their own terms.
It's interesting that I'm relating this same scenario to the music industry today. I used to love being part of the minority, the alternative scene with music that was called underground. I felt excluded from the mainstream and I liked it. Now everyone has mixed it all up and now nothing is sacred. I dont have my secret place or my alternative scene with like minded people. So I don't really understand why this whole idea of everyone being accepted by everyone is such a thing that's upsetting people. We still have separate gay bars that didn't used to take heterosexuals , do they now, I'm not sure. I just think it's weird. I used to like feeling different. What's different about everything and everyone being mixed up. I don't like it and I don't think it's nessisary at all. No matter how many big words or eloquent speeches I listen to nothing has changed my mind. I still miss feeling seperate from the mainstream. Please read... The courage to be disliked, by Ichiro kishimi & Fumitake Koga.
I would re-label it - "Trying to change reality with language and failing at it." With a corollary of - "Exposing the weak, useless, empty suits of society who have no moral compass and no spine and who cave at the slightest pressure and get paid a lot of money to do nothing useful and should be fired immediately from their useless positions which would benefit us all."
I graduated in 1996 with a degree in sociology, having spent a lot of time critiquing post structural theory and postmodern philosophy I'm amazed anyone would give it the time of day, it's useless.
edit: first time listened to the 7 min mark and shut it off. I thought Helen put forward her own views of how things should be but it is actually a description of our current situation. Not that obvious from the start of it.
You are missing the point. They are describing, not endorsing, and their description is accurate. This clip is taken from a full-length video analyzing the ideological roots of Wokeness. Unless I am missing your point, and you are a Woke ideologue trolling this posting.
Curious why you think so? I was fascinated, because she's describing the clash between contrasting ways of viewing the interplay between language, ideas, and morality in a way that makes sense of what I'm seeing and experiencing around me right now. What seems off to you?
We can all see the effects of woke bollocks but Helen is one of the few people who really understands where it came from and why. Most of us are footsoldiers, happy to battle woke nonsense on the front line by boycotting beer and arguing on Twitter. Helen is fighting it too but on a different level. She's like Neo in the Matrix lol.
What about the trans who murdered students in a school incently--after this interview? I find Helen leaning over too much in favor of left woke intolerance. Accordingly, I cant give her a thumbs up this time. Her fear of the right seems unnecesssary.
Love love love the minds that are Helen Joyce and Pluckrose.
That is all.
Honestly, I think I finally found someone I can actually agree with who is actually on my side of the political spectrum.
Helen Pluckrose is the first liberal activist I've found who is well-spoken, well-researched and is actually in favor of healthy debate and open communication among people of all different ideologies. Plus she's also fairly independent of the influence of corporations or specific political parties which could cause conflict of interest to occur in her intellectual arguments, I was so happy to see that when I went to the Areo magazine website, that it's not a subsidiary or sponsored by a larger company and is actually funded through independent donations.
Too many of the well-informed activists and speakers I've seen have been conservative, which isn't inherently a problem, but I did notice an imbalance between conservative speakers and liberal speakers, in that many liberals aren't willing to have a civil debate and open conversation, even among other liberals, while conservatives have many great debaters who are well educated and well spoken, and many of them work for or are sponsored by openly conservative companies which have an agenda to push, which can promote intellectually disingenuous ideology, which compromises a correct message for a cohesive and digestible one which has the potential to do a lot of harm.
Areo and Helen Pluckrose specifically have made my day because they're actually open to communication among all kinds of people, and someone can FINALLY voice the views and talking points that get glossed over by conservative intellectuals.
My biggest issue is, I don't think it's widespread enough or large enough to be accessible for most people, if something is truly gonna be successful in bringing people together from all ends of the political spectrum, it needs to be able to speak as loudly as the mainstream partisan voices that people are hearing, because the biggest obstacle to bipartisan freedom of speech and press, and science, is people knowing it exists in the first place, and not settling for "good enough" with the mainstream extremes.
Really, I think Areo, and Helen Pluckrose could benefit massively if they had more of a social media presence, specifically on UA-cam, as all the things I can find are things like this, where it's just third party interviews, which is nice, but it doesn't make much room to let someone's voice be heard on their own terms.
Helen is wonderful but she doesn’t have the rhino-thick skin required for dealing with malicious online activists. Her low profile is a choice.
@@nforne Fair enough.
Just wish there were more like her who did.
@@Dmobley9901 Couldn't agree more.
❤ Helen & Helen ❤
"No one expects the Inquisition"
These women are badasses.
It's interesting that I'm relating this same scenario to the music industry today. I used to love being part of the minority, the alternative scene with music that was called underground. I felt excluded from the mainstream and I liked it. Now everyone has mixed it all up and now nothing is sacred. I dont have my secret place or my alternative scene with like minded people. So I don't really understand why this whole idea of everyone being accepted by everyone is such a thing that's upsetting people. We still have separate gay bars that didn't used to take heterosexuals , do they now, I'm not sure. I just think it's weird. I used to like feeling different. What's different about everything and everyone being mixed up. I don't like it and I don't think it's nessisary at all. No matter how many big words or eloquent speeches I listen to nothing has changed my mind. I still miss feeling seperate from the mainstream.
Please read...
The courage to be disliked, by Ichiro kishimi & Fumitake Koga.
very good conversation, thanks
I suddenly dont feel so alone.
"Reality" like facts and truth exists regardless of belief. Language cannot change reality. Perception does not create reality.
I would re-label it - "Trying to change reality with language and failing at it."
With a corollary of - "Exposing the weak, useless, empty suits of society who have no moral compass and no spine and who cave at the slightest pressure and get paid a lot of money to do nothing useful and should be fired immediately from their useless positions which would benefit us all."
I graduated in 1996 with a degree in sociology, having spent a lot of time critiquing post structural theory and postmodern philosophy I'm amazed anyone would give it the time of day, it's useless.
edit: first time listened to the 7 min mark and shut it off. I thought Helen put forward her own views of how things should be but it is actually a description of our current situation. Not that obvious from the start of it.
I think they are describing what has happened?
@@just_another32 Yes, of course. Those commenting above have lost the thread.
You are misunderstanding the content and its intent.
@@willmercury strange! It seemed pretty clear to me
@@willmercury I probably watch this sort of thing way too much :D
That maybe the longest 19 mins and 19 seconds of utter bollocks I've ever heard.
I gave up at 3 minutes.
You are missing the point. They are describing, not endorsing, and their description is accurate. This clip is taken from a full-length video analyzing the ideological roots of Wokeness. Unless I am missing your point, and you are a Woke ideologue trolling this posting.
Curious why you think so? I was fascinated, because she's describing the clash between contrasting ways of viewing the interplay between language, ideas, and morality in a way that makes sense of what I'm seeing and experiencing around me right now. What seems off to you?
We can all see the effects of woke bollocks but Helen is one of the few people who really understands where it came from and why.
Most of us are footsoldiers, happy to battle woke nonsense on the front line by boycotting beer and arguing on Twitter. Helen is fighting it too but on a different level. She's like Neo in the Matrix lol.
Either you didn't really listen or you didn't understand them
What about the trans who murdered students in a school incently--after this interview?
I find Helen leaning over too much in favor of left woke intolerance.
Accordingly, I cant give her a thumbs up this time.
Her fear of the right seems unnecesssary.
These two are woke and asleep at the same time. Basically, sleepwalking through life.
They aren’t condoning Critical Social Justice. They’re explaining the mindset.
Good grief, you are completely missing the ideas of these two. I don't think you really listened.
Good lord, did you watch it? they are critiquing woke politics (intersectional theory) and taking it apart.