The True Cost of Equality | Victor Davis Hanson
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2023
- In this clip, Victor Davis Hanson and John discuss the implications of equality of outcome and the assumption that all inequality is inherantly unjust.
Victor Davis Hanson is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on contemporary politics for the National Review and The Washington Times and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.
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“One thing is clear: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would pay nearly half of everything they earn to the government.”― Ron Paul
To get nothing in return.
@samirmekkal1059: They thought that unpaid chattel slavery was the solution...
@@dpeasehead that was 160 years ago. What’s your excuse today?
@@dpeaseheadWrong. The country always had a sort of business-oriented vs pastoral split (take Hamilton, who was deeply anti-slavery from childhood when he saw it in action, vs. Jefferson, who envisioned a pastoral life comparable to that of Ancient Greek slaveholders who were free to study the arts & sciences in their leisure time).
My job took me to all kinds of places; commercial, business, education, government... I'm reminded of a college professor I was talking to who was lamenting that the state not increase the funding of some program or another. He said that the university would have no choice but to raise tuition and/or fees. The idea of cost cutting or greater efficiency never entered his universe.
yes how about reducing the wages of the professors.
The way you say it you were not in a position to determine whether cost cutting or greater effiiciency was at all possible. What makes you think it was?
One thing they need to do at universities is cut the salary of the people at the top. University president's make an insane amount unlike many other workers (such as adjuncts) don't make much.
@@ronblack7870 There has been a wholesale cutting of professors wages in Australian Universities with a corresponding drop in the quality of education offered.
@@ronblack7870 I read somewhere that the teaching staff salary at universities have marginally gone down side the 70s when inflation is factored in. The huge cost blowout comes from the administration.
Exactly right. Never fails how the self-anointed ones and their cronies always end up with the finest material life has to offer while everyone else has to pay the price.
You said it perfectly.
The man has the most astute assessment of the world that I have ever seen.
Astute? He's clearly deluded like the Sky News mob. Wake up.
The man is clueless. Another backward Conservative and flat earther.
Except that it's based on misinformation. His definition of what "woke" means and how "woke" people view the world does not align with reality. It's a strawman.
@skaarphy5797 Yes. Like most conservatives,he lies. Wake up Westies.
@@leonharrison800 I wouldn't even call them conservatives anymore. They're the textbook definition of reactionaries.
It astounds me that tax payers are expected to pick up the tab for a degree in gender studies or green theology when the recipient won't have a job to go to and then because they can't get a job it's exploitation and these people expect to receive the same money as someone who studied engineering or medicine.
Or they CHOOSE to party and do drugs/alcohol, then turn around demand equity? Where are they living; in Santa’s castle?
@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc spot on.
Tax payers shouldn't be picking up the tabs for any degrees period.
@@martinhd28v1 idk man, im not against my taxes being used to help somebody pay for their degree, keyword being "help" but that requires a trust that has yet to be earned by those in charge
@@scootza1 I get wanting to help people but that's what bursaries and scholarships are for. If the government is allowed to manage the system we will eventually get to the situation we are in now, 100% of the time. It's not just happening in a few places in the west, it's happening everywhere to a lesser or greater extent.
VDH should be touring the world. A true voice of reason.
Lol, no.
Rubbish. LGBT will not be cancelled ever.
Perpetuator of hate
I see VHD and I click, listen again and again. I so admire him. Calm, clear and reasonable.
Rubbish. Conservatism, religion and Capitalism have alot to answer for! Time for reparations.
Finally! I love the thumbnail you used. This is how I've long described ultimate meaning of this picture. So many people don't get it. But if you've worked in an environment where equity is pushed (and understand that equity and equality are entirely different for these folks), then you see that they're not so much about helping those who struggle or who are left behind, for whatever reason, they're really ultimately about destroying those who prevail, who excel through grit, through integrity, through merit... three character traits that should be encouraged and championed but are toxic to the DEI folk. Thank you again for using that particular thumbnail.
You spelled communist devil worshiper democrats wrong!🤷🏿♂️🙏🏿🇺🇲👌🏿👍🏿✊🏿💪🏿😇
This is rubbish. When society disrespects human rights,animal rights and environmentalism, there can be no equality. Robodebt and homelessness prove my point.
@@leonharrison800get a job
Cut the fence in half.
@@Demonicorns
Ban Anderson. Another LNP bigot.
Excellent analysis of the current situation in the western world .
Conservatives and religion the problem always. Woke is the medicine. Wake up.
It occurs to me, carbon offsets are pretty much the same as indulgences sold by the Church...
Yes, this has occurred to me also.
Climate change is the new religion
Perfect analogy!
Good way to put it. Gates says he can fly around but that's ok bc he has other carbon credits so he's exempt
Absurdity is absurd, regardless of milieu.....
For those who are confused, good idea to listen to these two great men. There are others out there, just not on legacy media. It is over for the merchants who manipulate.
VDH is a national treasure.
“There’s some truth on both sides, but it’s not the truth” yes 🙌 I appreciate the honesty
I was looking for that comment 💯💯💯 there's some truth in both sides, but not an absolute truth.
Thank you Victor Davis Hanson.
They just don’t like “the happy people”….. married/children/successful
Excellent.
Blessings and appreciation from Sydney.
Spot on gentlemen - thanks for articulating so well what many are thinking
Woke is the medicine for Conservatism. Wake up fools.
When quality is not a part of the equation “Equality” is meaningless and we will only be equal in stupidity, misery, and poverty.
Fair assessment of what the entire Western Europe looks like these days.
@@christumferens1716 and they start to infected their stupidness through out of the world and forces people to accept their sickness to the people who oppose them. Also don't forget that Americans are following.
3:20 It now a "Let them eat BUGs" moment
John Kerry, being the poster boy for endless flights but excusing it by using carbon credits.
I'm curious to see what Justin Trudeau comes up with for Canada's carbon tax after this summer of raging wildfires.
3:46 should note, the $ 2 billion of property damage was that which was covered by insurance. The total figure is greater.
Carbon offsets remind me of indulgences sold by the Medieval Catholic Church. The idea being that money can buy forgiveness from sin.
This is the way this discussion should be held. Not by politicians going for a quick win. Bravo ! If only the masses would listen, and vote for better people in the government. This is a problem on both sides in my opinion.
Trouble is, this is equity of incompetence.
We have this in aviation, where new commercial pilots are chosen on gender and race - yet some of them should not even be in command of a bicycle. This new cadre of first officers are now becoming captains, and they still should not be in charge of a bicycle.
Luckily, I am now retired.
It is you who will have to fly behind these equity captains.
R
Some of them may be as good or even better than other pilots.
Threatened by the competition?
Such a well balanced, thought out and insightful segment.
I have realized this man is brillaint.He speaks the Kings English.This man sounds amazing
You Should give to Others because You desire to give-- It Shouldnt be " forced "
upon you!
The Truth.....The Whole Truth.....& Nothing But The Truth....!! Thank You Sir...!
"Fire in the Minds of Men" by Billington ( I think) ....a must read.
Anderson is so brilliant, Hanson perhaps even more so.
How Many Tears Have Fallen
Tears so many have fallen
Through the years for the Greatest Nation ever
Tears for life liberty the pursuit of happiness
For a free world
Tears for the sons and daughters that never returned home
Warrior soldiers all
Tears wiped from the cheeks of so many wives
Shed by the children with only faint memories
Tears behind the mother's veil
On father's handkerchief
Tears at the base of the white stone
That wet the flowers and flags
Tears at the sound of taps played in the distance
For the memories of buddies
Tears at the sight and sound of dog tags boots
Empty
Tears when the aircraft flyover
Stars shining brightly
Tears as the ships sail
Anchors aweigh
Tears for those that patrol
Guard the dark nights alone
Tears at roll call
With no reply to a name called
How many tears have fallen
Bless Them All
God Save America
Dr. Sack
5/30/2021
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN OUR UNDOCUMENTED ''GUEST'' DEMAND NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION?
Liked for the thumbnail alone.
People don’t normally talk about it, the essence of most, if not all, modern political debates is rooted in the tradeoff between equality and freedom. Victor’s point on “cost of equality” is spot on . But I’d rather hear him talk about the “cost of freedom”.
Right on point! Thank you for the interview!
I'm an avid fan of both John Anderson and Victor Davis Hanson. Good to see them together. Where was this shot? A great location.
A great place to highlight that these are two, old, rich, white men.
@@Nicksonian = racist
@@Nicksonian And yet despite their imprediment somehow manage to be both smarter and more virtuous than you. Amazing.
@@mr2981 More virtuous? Your snarky, pointless comment only proves that you have no virtue and few smarts.
@@Nicksonian…and?
Playing with fire indeed, especially with a population who owns guns, hence the attempts to take away guns
The real problem is diversity in the first place.
Why doesn't anyone on either side explain how a molecule with a molecular weight of 44 (CO2) accumulate in the atmosphere when a molecule with molecular weight of only 18 (H2O) can't?
Gender studies in the 2023 version of an Art degree.. hahahahaha
Great work John! Scooby snacks for you and Dr. Hanson.
My allegiance is to Liberty, the Repubic and Democracy.
And in these current times, where so many choose to binge on Netflix and X-Videos instead of working hard to accomplish something meaningful, no wonder the narrative that such people are not responsible for their own failures and that productive individuals ought to finance their self-indulgent habits is beyond appealing to so many.
I get a lot of pleasure (sometimes anger) from watching this John. I never had any problem with you while in government, although I have been by nature and circumstance a natural Labor voter. Always suspicious of utopianists, and the urgency and extremism which it must entail. I wonder your position on the extremism of the Morrison government, and even previous Liberal governments, where even Malcolm Fraser turned against them, in their eyes. A valued and ethical man who showed great compassion and was never given his due as an elder statesman of the Liberal party.
Where do you stand, for my belief is they must be cast into the desert to consider their profligate behaviours and singular sins against Australians and the best interests of our people, as opposed to the best interests of their mates? Mr Anderson, I am in total agreement with you on everything I have heard you say and concur with your wonderful choice of guests. Please John, how could a man such as Morrison or Abbot gain the leadership of a party, while I may have held less restrictive views than they, were decent and refined people with a wish for the welfare of all Australian's allowing a conversation not of smug ideologies but of the decorations around the edges and the inclusions on the invitations for a wedding (as it were) We were one, a united people till we became mordantly dismembered and the cash prizes were being divided among the upper echelons of the Parliament. I am terrified that logic and reason are becoming degraded and valueless, that being WOKE is somehow a mechanism for instant self-approval, and that folks are genuinely drawn to that, as the Germans fell under Hitlers spell. The invocation is self regarding, with no need for the acceptance of any school of thought. Where any disaffected misanthropic teen can lay claim to my home, merely by claiming it without evidence for, or against. I consider Bolte and Hamar among the great Liberal premiers of Victoria, loving and responsible men who allowed our state to thrive, without the neo-con palaver introduced by Kennet. A terrible time of great suffering for which we continue to pay, where we sold off the family jewels and our cooking vessels, and stoves, thereby becoming reliant on a take-away led economy/recovery The great depression (phycological in effect) he now works to alleviate without an apology. It allowed Julia Gillard to sell our Natural Gas to Japan at absurd rates, while we became the owners of absolutely nothing. (A statement that perhaps should be written on our currency at present?) May I please add at this point, that as well as my detestation of Marxism, etc, I have no sense of special entitlement or envy towards those with more. I am glad for my achievements, but displeased for having my lifes work stolen from me by a corrupted court system which gave everything to my X wife, a monstrous narcissist, who destroyed my 2 sons, and left me to look after their wellbeing and their violent rages at the age of 65.
We have been slowly descending into the murk, never believing that the situation could be so bad. Once our moral compass and our ethical considerations are excised from our minds, we have built a leaky boat for the high seas.
Can we be one on this score John?
Wow
Spot on!
Political activists hanging banners, flying flags, demanding acceptance and obedience while trying to recruit youth to their cause has never been a problem before. Right?
You're right. The church is the oldest and most masterful recruiter of young people.
Amen! Just keep it going and everything will remain just as it used to be. Fair and share!
Interesting thank You for sharing
Those who seek absolute power should remember the end of people like Robespierre. As Britannica states:"Prior to the French Revolution's Reign of Terror (1793-94), France was governed by the National Convention. Power in this assembly was divided between the more moderate Girondins, who sought a constitutional monarchy and economic liberalism and favored spreading the Revolution throughout Europe by means of war, and the Montagnards, who preferred a policy of radical egalitarianism. By the spring of 1793, the war was going badly, and France found itself surrounded by hostile powers while counterrevolutionary insurrections were spreading outward from the Vendée. A combination of food scarcity and rising prices led to the overthrow of the Girondins and increased the popular support of the Montagnards, who created the Committee of Public Safety to deal with the various crises. On September 5, 1793, the Convention decreed that “terror is the order of the day” and resolved that opposition to the Revolution needed to be crushed and eliminated so that the Revolution could succeed." Robepierre took power in August 1792 and in July 1794 he too was executed as he had executed so many, by guillotine. He was thirty-six. Absolutel power doesn't last very long.
The church is there to do what the State overlooks and ignores.
I consider myself a moderate and support guaranteed equal opportunity but not guaranteed equal outcomes. I think that is what Jefferson had in mind when he wrote "All men are created equal". I know it took us a long time to include black men and women in that promise but we did eventually move a great deal in that direction. The wonderful thing about America isn't that we're perfect but that we're capable of change. I do believe, as MLK said, "The moral arc of the universe bends toward justice". For that to happen though, concerned citizens have to continue to pull us toward our better angels. For America to achieve its potential we Americans must find ways to work together. We don't need to agree on everything but it would be useful to lower the temperature of our public debate and not think of those who disagree with us as our mortal enemies.
Being moralistic means nothing without a standard. From "Both" sides.
I tend to lean left but this is so true.
A person who learned a trade and becomes a plumber, electrician, etc instead of going to college should not subsidize kids who decide to go to expensive elite schools to study theatre or sociology. Makes no sense.
And worse, those kids then turn around and demonize people who choose different lifestyles and actually keep society running.
i find it funny that its called greed when someone wants to keep the fruits of there own labor but not when someone wants to take it and give to someone else...
The fruits of whose labor? Billionaires don’t partake in “labor” they’re enriched off the backs of others labor.
@@mookm6639 They provide the entire framework the people need to earn money in the first place. For example, anyone can be a truck driver without an employer. But good luck in the costs and time involved buying and maintaining your truck, getting a clientele that wants to do business with you, etcetera. If this was truly so easy to do, everyone would do it. Yet people choose to work for an employer, because building that framework you need is incredibly expensive, difficult, time-consuming, and full of risk. That is where the employer's value lies. That is why they ask so much money for what they do, because it's a job hardly anyone wants to do/is capable of doing.
Not saying I have no problems with billionaires, far too often do they go outside the boundaries of their companies and try to influence the people outside of their companies, either directly or through the government. But when it just comes to their in-company activities of making tons of money thanks to their laborers? I have no problem with that.
@@mookm6639so hiring people to carry out certain tasks is now slavery? Ok…
They don't want equality, where people have the same opportunities. They want equity, where everyone has the same outcome. The only thing they will be equal in the end is their misery.
Research by Thomas Sowell showed that simple geography has much to do with a person's fate in life. Travel in mountains is more difficult than near rivers and coastlines. So, people near water are exposed to more ideas and innovations by others than someone in the high country.
Thomas Sowell is a genius! ❤
I have seen people in the ghetto who need housing spend money on rims and a stereo for a rusted out car. Maybe it would be possible to somehow write a law requiring people to show proof of home ownership before purchasing fancy wheels and a stereo for an old car.
Classic racist trope. I have seen poor white people buy opiates instead of baby formula. What's your point? Instead of creating support systems and dealing with the inequality and wealth gaps that lead to those conditions, you think letting billionaires (conservative or liberal) control all our lives is the answer? Begging them for scraps?
Most of those receiving college loan forgiveness will become loyal Democrats, if they aren't already.
I don’t think any will. But I think right now only common sense citizens are national democrats (notice I said national, California democrats are very different then Midwest democrats).
This already happened in history expropriation of property, equal salary for all, mandatory sharing of big appartments with strangers , food rationing, etc. It was 100 years ago in the Soviet Union. This lasted for 70 years then it all collapsed and went back to capitalism again, minus millions of people killed during "red terror" and Gulag time, lost territories, brain drain, capital flight.
A mojor problem with most political revolutions (particularly the communist/Marxist kind) is that people are placed in positions of authority/leadership because they are “true believers”, not because they are competent for the job at hand.)
VDH Rocks.
The link in the description is to the wrong VDH interview. That one was conducted over the internet.
"...not because he used drugs or ..." or even not because he just didn't have the great idea combined with the motivation to try combined with the willingness to take risk
Equality, is a mediocre idea, for a mediocre people. Merit and a pursuit of excellence is preferable for all. Long live inequality.
Whats the setting if the interview i love the library and lifhting chairs cieling
The gifted cannot excel, and the mundane is elevated.
There IS truth to both sides.
Coveting another man's wealth is not only envy but greed and gluttony...
For you would Covet, take, then leave them with nothing, then claim peity
Like it was ur right to engage in such acts...
Tis always human nature
how come whenever anyone argues that everyone deserves to be treated equally they never try and argue that everyone should take an equal share of responsibility?
Because that's a different topic.
"We want equity!!"
Well do you want it in sports?
"No! Because talent and hard work should be rewarded on an individual basis!!"
@GregMoress" Sports was racially segregated for many generations. Was it a meritocracy during those times? Was the average white person as troubled by that as so many are by "equity?"
@@dpeaseheadWell if you want 'Equity' for everything, then you should want it for sports too, or is being fair 'unfair' to some?
@@GregMoress Once again, the US has never been a meritocracy, so what qualifies white people and others to define equity as if they have any real experience with it? I think the real issue is that they believe in their innate superiority in spite of having spent centuries rigging the system in their favor.
They could just take down the fence. But taking things away to solve the problem never occurs to people. We always have to add more.
When you imagine a foe, you imagine yourself the hero.
Truth
Where is this taking place?
Hoover Institute?
Two old, rich, white men, chatting in their opulent library. The visuals are glaring and indicative of their bias. Why should we listen to them?
I’m reading comments here and I’m not sure people are paying close attention to the details. At around 3:50 he’s talking about the metrics of BLM protests and he says “14,000 people arrested and let go, 1,500 police officers.” That was it. 1500 police officers what? This 5 minute clip is filled with half baked thoughts. There are some ideas and evidence here that’s accurate and interesting to think about and consider but also really lacking. “I don’t know history cuz I don’t think it’s important, but here’s what history would tell people”. How do you know what history would say if you don’t know it and why would you use it as an argument if you don’t think it’s important. Half baked.
You are not Guaranteed Equally of out come . But we should all have the same opportunity at the starting line of life . Schools Food and Healthcare.
At some point all great empires met their demise. You are currently witnessing the demise of the great American empire..
I have one child who is a lot more successful than my other children. She studies harder, is more disciplined and responsible, despite her learning disability. So I guess the real reason for her success is that she's oppressing her siblings.
This guy is adorable😂.
Hey question, who owns that fence in the picture? I’m guessing its privatised or it belies to the State. Why not drill wholes thru it and or destroy it?
The fence represents a social standard or requirement ie good school grades, ability to read, a medical degree, food hygenic premises, arriving at work on time etc etc. These standards exclude those who don't/can't achieve them and therefore create a "fence" to obtaining equity.
@@MottIrregular yes it would more rhetorical but thanks for answering. Let’s drill thru the fence!
Equality of opportunity = individual freedom
Equality of outcome = government / corporate power
Every time Mr. VICTOR is on Fox News, I listen very closely to him...
“I don’t suppose I know history because I don’t think history matters, but history would tell them they’re playing with fire.” If history doesn’t matter, why are you using it as an example? Also, how would you know what history would tell people if you don’t study in depth?
that picture in the thumbnail is what TRUE "equity" represents...its not about raising themselves up, its about bringing YOU down...
John Anderson wow
I am so surprised that nobody discusses ecological issues using a time proven Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule, which states that for many phenomena 80% of the result comes from 20% of the effort. According to this rule, we have to start our ecological efforts from the highest end consumers because it is going to deliver massive results. So we have to start with pharmaceuticals and chemical industry, mining, massive production of cheap crumbly plastic and other synthetic disposable items, and all similar industries. Then at an individual level -royal family, private jets, etc. After we've done all of this and still not happy, then and only then can we address the average person. But while being ruthless with 20% of culprits, we can peacefully educate the rest of us to be more conscious in our daily operations.
Let's try having a country split into two, the state running/ and in charge of everything on one side, free market on the other. Then revisit them in 50 - 70 years and see which one is better.
Oops already did that- Korea
I’ve searched everywhere to find where Jones said that theft is not a crime and could not find it.
@5:00 did you say $0.30 per Kilowatt?? In Hawaii we pay $0.50!!
They are not moralistic, their rules for thee and not for me comes from their sense of entitlement, their greed,and the fact that if what they do in the shadows were to come to light they would be convicted of terrible crimes. They are narcissist to the core.
People in the USA were protesting from May to November 2020.
While the rest of the world were locked down due to the pandemic.
There it is. Cannot add any more words of to that of VDH. There for all to witness. OK. Now, how to rein this in?
These lunatics will take us into the trash heap of history if not stopped.
Two old, rich, white men, chatting in their opulent library. The visuals are glaring and indicative of their bias. Why should we listen to them?
All would be equal, yet as always some would remain more equal than others!
I have seen this before and I am understanding what you are saying. The issues about governance Mr. Hansen decries is apart of both parties platforms.
It depends on the environment and lineage of politicians that make the issues you speak of appearant.
Yeah, that is a horse shoe view.
The difference is that they have a protective force of unlimited firepower to unleash on us.
There is MORE truth to the side of the person being taken advantage of than the side of it being the individual's fault... Those who are in privileged positions will hardly ever admit that, including these guys.. Assuming people will naturally help each other out in a greedy society is comical thinking at best..
so unbelievable
Who are "they"?
There are numerous organizations with mottos/slogans such as “Feed the Children” or “Save the Children” or “Help a Child In Need”, etc.
Approximately what percentage of those organizations do you think have the following three goals?
1: Tax parents until the parents can’t afford to feed clothe and education their own children (or at least abdicate their responsibilities to the government or some other organization),
2: Use that tax money to indoctrinate the children to believe that they “deserve” the lifestyle their parents created but without the dedication and long hours retired to produce more or better products or services, inventiveness, thrift, saving, investing in their own business or buying stock in other business that allowed their parents to achieve that lifestyle and
3: Persuade the children that the way to have what their parents have built is to take from their parents (and anyone else who have invested similar long hours and dedication to excellence) in the name of “diversity, equity and inclusion”.
It seems that, with the ‘new media’, we are finally able to ourselves choose those we consider ‘elite’-e.g., VDH, John Anderson, and others. Not a moment too soon!
"The phrase "Let them eat cake" is often attributed to Marie Antoinette, but there is no evidence that she ever uttered it, and it is now generally regarded as a journalistic cliché.[225] This phrase originally appeared in Book VI of the first part of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's autobiographical work Les Confessions, finished in 1767 and published in 1782: "Enfin Je me rappelai le pis-aller d'une grande Princesse à qui l'on disait que les paysans n'avaient pas de pain, et qui répondit: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" ("Finally I recalled the stopgap solution of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: 'Let them eat brioche'"). Rousseau ascribes these words to a "great princess", but the purported writing date precedes Marie Antoinette's arrival in France. Some think that he invented it altogether.[226]"
Old and grey; why so ill-informed? I knew this at least 30 years ago.
Exactly. I was surprised he said that. Victor was a gentleman for not correcting him.
In all fairness, this is quite obscure knowledge