Answering Japanese Twitter questions in unscripted Japanese (1/2) / 日本語アドバイス第九回 | Dōgen
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The only way to know that you've truly escaped the Nihongo Jouzu is when you get the Eigo Jouzu.
Damn
I remember a friend being told "your English is very good" by a Japanese person. We're both Australian (though look Asian)
I mean it probably wouldn't work for people who don't at least look Japanese but it's still a good level to get to.
*"In short, become Nihongo jouzu, to escape Nihongo jouzu"*
Sasuga Dogen! Genius advice 😂😂
I actually hate how "Nihongo jouzu'd" is a thing now. When I watch someone like Ina from Hololive talk in Japanese with a JP talent and they say it, chat just explodes with "NIHONGO JOUZU'D", as if it's an insult. Like, her Japanese is actually good. People are so mindless they ruin genuine compliments.
@@Boyzby because it's actually jouzu tho
It's Jouzu, while not being 'Jouzu'.. get what I'm saying? It's kind of like a mindless "Jouzu" but with aspirations.
@@Boyzby Dude dougen is very fluent in japanese as you can see but his status as a foreigner still gets him nihongo jouzu'd in the end its just a meme because the meaning of the phrase came from japanese people tryna compliment foreigner speaking japanese.
Thanks for the shoutout!! Input squad → 'nihon nagai desu ka' squad all the way! 💪
「えっ！日本に行ったことないのか？！えぇぇっ！すっげー！！」
Yes, but actually no.
Third!
Matt is うざい. But he uses Katsumoto's AJATT method which is helpful.
Nihon nagain desuka? 「日本、長い"ん"ですか？」
It might be difficult to catch, but there is a slight 「ん」after 「長い」
最近、同僚とか初めて会って会話できた日本人が「日本何年ですか。」聞かれたことが多くなって、ドーゲンさんの動画を観てから「日本語上手」というセリフを超えたことを知りました。
わーい
listening to the unscripted japanese honestly helps because i can see you thinking as you speak, and atm it's *super* hard for me to create my own sentences in japanese so i needed this
I'm so so bad at that part too. Horrifically.
Me too. It’s honestly so frustrating hahah. I triple doubt myself and end up rewriting everything at least 3 times 🥲 I think it comes down to just not having enough practice
If you think about it, when we speak in English it’s more like a collection of phrases one after another. I dont know the common “phrases” in Japanese so I have to work extra hard to try and translate everything in my brain individually instead of as an idea or concept
I get that. The approach to creating sentences is so different sometimes because the focus of the sentence sometimes shifts and you have to build the rest around a different word than you would in English.
And honestly it feels like there's no palpable rules for that, just gotta feel it or something.
We'll get there one day, guys.
Love how this essentially is just you gushing over Monster.
Understandably so.
"The ability to generate a lot of money"
Best advice
I loved this.
There was a lot of thinking while speaking, being confused about what language you were speaking and the whole thing was generally less polished than usual.
This feels real. How a real person with amazing skills would still speak in their second language. It helped me to forgive my own mistakes and flaws when I speak Japanese. Thank you for an amazing video.
I ask this question to my sensei.. 2 years ago when I arrived and everytime I talk to japanese person they always compliment me "日本語が上手ですね" even though I only started studying for more than 3 months.
and I ask my sensei why now that I try to talk to japanese person he/she never compliment to me anymore.
My sensei told me once a Japanese person notice that you are a beginner in their language they will compliment at you to boost your confidence and study more..
but once they notice that you could make a proper conversation to them.. they will think that complimenting is not necessary anymore.
For beginner intermediate manga I'll suggest "Yotsuba to!". Basically the (episodic) story of a 5 years (green haired) girl who is implied being non native or non used to japanese culture who go around with his father making the neighbours laugh.
It's a little nice slice-of-life, good because the language is simple, the girl talk like a girl (and says something uninteded, sometimes), the adult talks like adults but still in a simple ways. The tone is light hearted and generally fun.
So a lot of common words around that manga.
最近観たアニメだとODD TAXI は色んな日常会話が出てくるからオススメ
I think the reason why you're forgetting english is because it's your 1st language, so you don't really think about it.
It's kind of always been there, and you're not constantly analyzing it nor studying it. For example, I will fail to recognize an english word, and not really concern myself. With Japanese, I am almost obsessive about looking up words and studying the meanings behind phrases. I cannot be bothered in english, it's not important for me to get much better.
This is worse when English isn't your native language and you're using at as a base, in my case I'm learning Japanese from English with Spanish being my native language, practicing both languages simultaneously while also being more exposed to English in general led me to a point where I feel that I'm more fluent in English than in Spanish
This is kind of how I was with my own first language but not really. Basically the better I got at English, the less I used my FL.
Right now, I try not to speak it (unless I have to which is usually with my parents) because I apparently don't sound native anymore and English has replaced it as my primary language.
@@ChromeBirb Pretty normal, honestly. Languages are kind of just like skills. The more you use them, the better you get.
You maybe right, my first language is Polish and that's how learning English worked for me.
The fortunate thing is, when you already know something but forget it, it's usually easier to get it back than to learn it from scratch for the first time.
i just wanna say that even tho this is unscripted its still so entertaining, youve either gotten a lot better or dont give yourself enough credit for your unscripted stuff
and i always laugh when you switch from japanese to english accent mid sentence, its so jarring every time
How to escape the "nihongo jozu" squad: have massive visible tattoos, even as a foreigner.
Side effects may include*: people saying nothing at all or as little as possible to you in literally every situation, tissue advert girls ignoring your very existence, Japenese girls taking pictures with your tattoo in the club like YOU'RE the tourist attraction, local Osaka Kushiage vendors making you show their son your Tebori to inspire them, and randomly making friends with future Japanese rock stars.
*Results may vary. Valid in anecodtal experience only. See reverse side for details.
Curious how results vary for tattooed women lol
Probably depends on the tattoos.
"How to talk like Yakuza"
"one option could be to listen to a lot of Shiina Ringo"
Hahaha! Is it because of the way she pronounces those "R" sounds?
Watashi wa speedo desu
A soka
spīdo da yo
Watashi wa taiho yo
Omae wa mō shindeiru.
naruhodo
Finding media to be passionate about is always my go-to advice on learning specific vocab in languages. Found it so hard to find anything in Japanese that is a political thriller or satire when I worked for a brief stint at 霞が関 though. There's so much of it in English (West Wing, House of Cards, satire from Australia or the UK, etc.) but it's just an absent setting in Japanese media. Shin Godzilla or cop/law shows are the closest I could get! [Edit: Of course for manga as Dogen notes, there's Urasawa Naoki's stuff too though]
“You’ll never be able to use ‘omni-directional mobility gear’ unless your talking about Attack on Titan”
Not yet
I think reading shounen jump could help for those learning to read Japanese even if it's not realistic. Manga geared towards younger audiences will often have the pronunciation next to all the Kanji, so it's easier to read and look up the meanings (though some are made up).
Why dont all kanjis have furigana pleaaasee 😓😭😭😭
Exposing yourself to Japanese every day really helps. I've been studying Japanese for 5 years at school, but I found that I improved the most this year when I took at least 3 hours a day just listening to native Japanese - usually through live streams or game streams, anything that I'm interested in. There's only so much you can learn from textbooks and rigid language structures, but once you start becoming familiar with the pace and flow of native speakers, you'll be able to pick up more useful phrases that don't appear in books and even some current slang. Social media is also a good way to connect and expose yourself to the language.
(My 方言 is quite mixed up though, I've been picking up words from all random areas XD 飛騨弁勉強してるのにハカハカとかよく使っちゃうｗ)
まじで普通に道元さんの作る動画は面白くて観ちゃう。
For foreigner, I think the best way to study Japanese is make a Japanese friend who wants to study English.
It's a win-win relationship. (Maybe Japanese expressions...?)
I'm currently re-watching "My husband won't fit" since the two main characters are teachers, to try get some School related vocab. The second advice seems solid
日本語の学習に対するモチベーションがすごい！尊敬します
Oh y'know, a good anime to learn Japanese to would be Crayon Shin-chan. I remember suddenly getting a clip of it on my UA-cam Recommendations and decide to watch it to find it has no subs but I understood like 60-85% of what they're saying, with note that I actually have learned Japanese enough to know the sentence structures and stuff but severely lacking in vocabulary knowledge.
I don't know if I'll ever get around to actually learning Japanese in my life, but I've really enjoyed your UA-cam channel the past year, Dogen. Excellent as always!
Thanks for this video :) there aren't many videos like this one (short, in Japanese but with good subtitles) available, so I really wanted to thank you. I've been using your videos to practice listening and they've very helpful!
I got super into the Yakuza series before 6 came out, and all the time I spent playing those games actually helped me with my pronunciation before I even started studying. But then I was told I should be careful with what I learn from it because I wouldn't want to talk like a yakuza. Reminds me of an old Kojima Productions podcast where Christine learned Japanese from manga and anime and talked like a boy.
my anime that i go to have a good time and learn japanese is Shirokuma cafe. It´s good vibes and every lithe world pun(witch is used a lot) has visual representation, so it enlarges your vocabulary a bit
You know, I might just leave Lain on repeat. I love that series!
Dogen, I’ve seen from other videos how much work you put into your scripted comedic videos (which I also love and think are very funny) but also want to chime in that I enjoy your unscripted videos so much! I find them very funny and entertaining, just in a slightly different way. Hope to see more of this content in the future~
I basically listened to Japanese media nonstop for my first year and a half while studying basic grammar, vocab, kanji, etc. Then all of a sudden everything really clicked and now, learning Japanese in Japanese, I believe is the most important first big step beginners should strive for. w
Holy crap! I haven't watched Serial Experiments Lain in ages, and then it was in English. Time to dust off the DVD and revisit.
Thank you for mentioning how studying Japanese can harm your native language. I am seeing in real time the way i conceptualize things is being restructured and it is an everyday struggle to make sure information isn't sorted in the wrong location in the brain.
Same! Even learning very basic concepts is completely changing the way i use my native language. It's crazy 😧
I've noticed that the way I talk has completely changed since I've started learning Japanese. The grammatical structure when I speak/write English has started to become Japanese-like, which is quite the issue if you're trying to sound natural and concise.
Do you think there's anyway to address this as I'm struggling to switch between these 2 languages too :((
@@Clairele3 I try to make sure to seperate the settings in which I´m speaking the different languages (I speak German, English and Japanese). Not sure if that helps in your case.
@@nodramapls4366 thanks for your advice ^^
Yeah, that sixth sense thing is how I learned English. I wasn't even able to understand it, but I loved watching cartoons on Cartoon Network, and I was watching them for years like that. To this day I get compliments for my pronounciation from native speakers.
Thank you so much for your videos! I am still learning japanese and all your answers to these questions were very helpful to me! I will take all the advice and apply it to my study! ^~^
“the ability to generate a lot of money” 同感 lmao
6:33 "oh it must've been summer when he made this"
Thank you for mentioning the input method!
last line is gold
IMO, Battle Programmer Shirase is better for IT terminology than Serial Experiments Lain.
Thanks for the video :)
「 You might not want to watch (serial experiment lain) on repat 」
Dougen you dont seem to understand , a shame you seemed an honest man
Am I the only one generally surprised to her Dogen talk about how he studies Japanese? Like, what's left?
To be honest passing N1 doesn't suddenly mean you've mastered Japanese. Learning a language can really be a life long task. Even people like Dogen can admit they are learning new things all the time. Especially since Japanese like every language evolves.
I was wondering why there's a weird black circle only to realised it's your microphone
Ooh, I love Nakata Atsuhiko as well! The Kojiki series was really interesting and funny!
I really like how you replied to arex's dumb question so seriously
Oh Dogen, いつも笑わせてくれてありがとう。特にその最後の冗談は笑い声が必ず出ちゃう。
Brilliant! 👏👏👏
The step after "How long have you lived in Japan" is "How long have you been married here". Apparently my normal clothing style is too close to "casual Japanese housewife". 😂
あっちゃんの話すスピード速いからね
良い勉強になりそう
I just finished reading all of Urasawa’s Monster a few days ago and loved it! I haven’t seen the anime but I’ve heard it’s pretty much the same quality.
**In English though, my Japanese is still in the beginning stages
日本語上手
As a Japanese, I guess the most useful skill in Japan is speaking English.
So funny to see a question from TheNo1Alex. I've been watching him on twitch since before I even started learning Japanese.
1:13, I literally said ayyyy out loud when you said it. Great taste dude.
edit: 7:02, that's my favourite animanga too. Man you have amazing taste.
私の質問を答えてがありがとうございます！
"How to become "nihongo jouzu" without being told that you're "nihongo jouzu"?
"Just be jouzu at nihongo before coming to nihon."
Understandable, have a nice day.
Serial Experiments Lain is a gem!
Yeah, Dougen even knowing it caught me off guard. ;-) Was worried we'd hear something else. ;-)
For real I saw it when I was a teenager and is like an acid trip lol
@@boniboni4912 Eh, it was pretty fast at times, but for real acid trip try Mind Game
「"Then"と"thin"の区別つかなかった」
あ、簡単だね。「Then」とは「細い」を意味して、「Thin」とは「その時」を意味してる
すげぇ突っ込みたいなぁ (─.─||）
the switches to english are amazing lmao
I love how wisely Dogen is choosing his words. Very relatable to me who is also very picking about my own choice of words, especially in Japanese.
Also I'm very proud to tell that most Japanese people I spoke with in Japan were assuming that I was already living many years in Japan. That makes me too jôzu the get jôzu'd 😎
Dogen! I loved monster too. And I relate to all the reasons you stated too.
the last advice is great cuz I don't see myself going to Japan in at least the next 5 years, so seeing that I've been learning for at least a year I'm safe to say that by that point my Nihonjo Jouzo to Japanese people meet ratio will be as low as 1 in every 3 (as we all know that's low... lmao)
Don't mind me, I'm just going to note the idea of doing a study about the Nihongo Jouzu ratio and how it is correlated to fluency, and if we can use that ratio to determine someone's fluency.
Because a future where Japanese fluency is measured in Nihongo Jouzu's per encounter sounds hilarious to me.
@@Mercure250 Don't forget to quote me on the proposal of such a concept as "Nihongo Jouzu to Japanese People Meet Ratio" lmao
@@JotaceLIVE Don't worry, I'm not one to plagiarize
Your English is good!
I would recommend watching Takagi (Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san). It is a slice of life anime, but all the characters use casual everyday Japanese in a very natural manner. I had many eureka moments watching it.
Your voice literally changes when hewing Japanese 😂
I've picked Japanese up on and off for 15 years, never really committing because I talk myself out of it -- be a defeatist, if you will -- and I've lived in Japan for the last 5 years! It's absolutely frustrating.
All I do now is learn more or less passively with textbook study 5x a year. I do my best with the teeny tiny steps I make and try to feel proud of the eagerness to speak even if I make mistakes.
When you're awake at 3 AM so you're early on half of videos:
日本人がお勉強になる動画😊面白い！
ドーゲンさんありがとうございます！絶対にそのチャンエルを見ます！
中田敦彦氏のは内容があれなので・・・
えぐえぐ
I really liked watching Africa no Salaryman for some common dialogue.
I really prefer your unscripted Japanese! Much more natural sounding to listen to.
the more you learn a foreign language the more you forget your own mother tongue, THE WAY I RELATE TO THAT LMAO
Unscripted Dogen is basically he is actually nervous in front of me trying to explain things while not messing up his Japanese grammar when here I am totally think that he slows down his speech just enough for me to understand properly XD
Comment: "How do I get better at technical terms?"
Dogen: "Watch Serial Experiments Lain on endless repeat."
Me: "Language learning and psychological trauma, together at last."
Hi dogen :) really appreciate that you made a video like this, remonds me that noone speaks flawlessly 🌸 on that note,,,i need to catch up with your patreon posts kxjdnd
If you haven't watched them already, Psycho Pass, Kino no Tabi, and Haibane Renmei might be up your alley
椎名林檎のくだり…もー大好きです。😂
母語を忘れるってもう日本人じゃん…
On UA-cam I can recommend Onomappu! He talks about different topics in Japanese in a beginner friendly way. He also has subtitles in different languages including Japanese which is super helpful!
日本語は文法が全く違うから難しいよね。英語の勉強をしているからわかるよ。
I noticed that "Koku" you inserted for politeness. Dogen.
Hey, Dogen. Have you ever taken the Kanken kanji test?
"To escape nihongo jouzu, you must become nihongo jouzu"
"To know your enemy, first you must become your enemy" - sun tzu
道元さんが中田敦彦のUA-cam大学観てるのなんか面白いな
For beginner students, I'd actually recommend Detective Conan/Case Closed as a manga/anime. If you ignore the police jargon, there's a lot of everyday language, and because it's technically aimed at kids, there are a lot of explanations plus hiragana pronunciations next to kanji.
設定 means "setting" both in the sense of "setting of a movie" and in the sense of "configuration settings"? (And also "setting a puzzle" if my dictionary is to be believed)
You know, it is the same word in English, but... I would have expected those to be different.
TIL
さすがどげん
面白い！
確かに、最後のが外国人同士のみんなにも大切な骨だね🙏🏻
I think the most useful skill is to say "すみません'".
日本に住むなら真面目な話、「すみません」って言う癖をつけるのが一番穏やかに過ごせると思う 「私は他人を気遣う意思があり、あなたの話を聴く姿勢を持っています」という意思表示になる 自分が悪くないのに謝るってのは特に日本人しかやらないので、外国人の人が「すみません」って言ってるの見ると急に親近感湧いてなんか話せそうだなって思えてくる
lain!
Along the lines of what you said about monster, I thought the way of the househusband and kobayashi's dragon maid to be compelling and relatively grounded in the real world.
personally from my langauge learning experiences, learning the vocab first makes learning grammar and writing sooooo much easier later on
also if i'm not wrong (correct me if i'm) the japanese just normally use the english computer commands too lol so you can just say "enter," the only exception are the F keys but thats also really simple instead of F1, they just say F ichi, so its like F + japanese word for x number
バイリンガルにとっては語彙力が薄まるのは大きな課題です。
似たような言語であれば共通する単語もあるので大きな問題にはなりませんが、日本語と英語のように大きく異なる言語では両方の語学力を維持するのはとても大変なことです。
not related to the vid but your hair looks real good like that