6mm FLOBERT (.22 BB Cap) CUTE but Deadly - TESTED!
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Today we test out the smallest and first .22 rimfire rounds ever made. Sometimes called .22 BB Cap, these use just the primer compound to propel them. Many people think "BB" means "ball bearing" but in this case, it means "ball breech". Despite being called "6mm" the projectile actually measures around .23" or 5.8mm.
It's actually rare to see these shot, I have yet to find a video showing anything but people talking about these rounds. It's easy to think these rounds are mere toys but they are still very deadly.
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That round is pretty impressive for basically being a bb jammed into a 22 round case and no powder.
All in the barrel my dudes
@meanteen6533 they tried to do that little revolver I would of liked to seen the difference in the velocity from that but I wouldn't want to be shot from either of those with that little round. 😅
@@salty__kansan a 22 short won't go through the skull with a 4 inch instead it shatters pushing shrapnel under the skin (it will through the eye) but will with the 8 (and if in the eye straight through like a 9mm)
salty I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe.
I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-earther I'm calling the big guns. Oil your butt...
When I was a kid, we shot them from an old break over Stevens Savage 22-410 over and under. Back then you could buy a box of them for about 45 cents a box and 22 LR was about $1.98 a box. We could target practice a lot more for our buck ninety-eight getting 4 boxes of the BB Caps or the Flobert to on 22 CB cap. Thanks for bringing back the memories.
Cool stuff!
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I still own a savage over and under . And got a couple tins of bb rounds as well .
@@nebraskanheathen2226 I want some.
when I was a kid my dad let us shot them inside the shop if it was cold or wet outside
Those 6mm Floberts were used in „zimmerstutzen“ here in Germany, which translates literally to „indoor guns“. After a good meal people back then wanted to shoot a bit, as a digestive activity, but ordinary 22 short were a bit much, in power and in volume. So they used these 6mm thingies to plink a bit in the house, mostly out of short single loading guns. Different times back then 😁😉 (6:20 ha, you mentioned something similar 😁)
Didn't zimmerstutzen use the 4mm flobert? The 6mm where mostly used for pest control i guess...
@@BrutalEnough both were used. They are still used today, but obviously not in private rooms 😁👍
Better times
Probably good for vermin.
Lol, this sounds like the most 1800's thing I've ever heard
Does anyone else genuinely miss Danny? I’ve never even met the guy but not having him around really does make me sad. I hope he’s doing well up there ❤️
I have rewatched some of the videos with Danny in them. In a way, he is not gone.
After years of watching the Taofedermaus family, I genuinely felt like I lost a dear friend when he passed. I know what you mean
I loved him. But I can go back and meet him on these videos anytime. That is true immortality.
Yup, me too
@@Rincypoopoo That's a great way of thinking about it.
My grandmother had an old break barrel single shot rifle she called her "garden gun" that I believe was 6mm flobert or .22 short, it was very quiet. Great video!
Garden gun was to shoot critters and birds getting into the garden. My great grandpa used bird shot in his .22.
In UK a 9.mm shotgun was called a garden gun, single shot bolt action, the shells were full length steel cases approximately one and a half inches long, and rim fire if remember correctly
@@jerryhablitzel3333 Is that the same as rat shot for .22?
@@fudgetone .22 crimped on the end that had really small shot in it. Grandpa shot his in town at birds or whatever. Probably use cap or a short on rabbits. It was a really small town a long time ago.
Years ago I knew an older gent that would stuff bb caps into an old Stevens single shot and headshoot rabbits. Worked well out to 7- 10 yards.
For indoor use, they had wax bullets. They also made wax or gelatin bullets filled with dye or paint which were used for dueling! Forgotten weapons channel has some videos on these guns/bullets.
Recall they used to sell kits for family's to do indoor shooting was a review in popular mechanics 1960s
Holy shit ! Do t get me wrong, I’m sure I could get talked into wax projectile duelling,,BUT..
I’ve seen so many stupid things happen with firearms, there is no way I would trust anybody to point a firearm at me.
Furthermore the thought of pointing a firearm at someone and pulling the trigger makes me cringe. I’ve shot so many things over the years, that once the trigger get pulled, that’s it.
A wax bullet filled with dye or paint, inside a greasy heavy hardened cleaning patch, at 1200fps will make a hole in a body.
I’m going to go an watch the Forgotten weapons video on duelling with wax, sounds hilarious.
@@peterparsons7141 ahh actually most rounds fired aren't that high velocity
@@miguelcastaneda7257 yes I understand. But some people don’t know that even small projects can be very dangerous at high velocity.
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 last week, put a .22 lr. sub-sonic 45 gr. Less than 900fps. through a 2” pine board. Not an old dried up Pine board, a new construction 2x12..clean hole both sides and into the back stop.
When my buddy who farms beef kills a beef, it’s with that.
Back in the days, we also had Flobert blank cartridges in germany. They wasn't loud at all but you could send flares up to 10-15 meters, or use them as primers for homemade shenanigans 😆
They are still available and in production. I use them on new years eve to shoot up flares and other fireworks.
There are still competitions with "Zimmerstutzen" (running Flobert ammo) in Germany.
@@superrobotspacekingii4720 but onxly available with a license, right?
@@gerbrandt7213You don't need a license for blank ammo
@@theblitz6838 Don't need a license for any ammo. The Right to bear arms is in fact a Right.... and as such it requires no permission or approval. (matters not where you live).
Here in Germany the rifle class for these is known as "Zimmerstutzen", literally "Room Carbine" and where very common until the 80s. Many Gunclubs still have them somewhere in storage although they are hardly used since the ammo got rare and expensive. Though there is still competitions with these, up to national championships.
Usually they are really heavy target rifles with a thick barrel, that is then drilled to a larger bore diameter on half of its length and opened up on the botton due to competition regulations. They were only competition legal up to a certain barrel length, which is why half of the barrel is in essence a fake barrel without any function other the weight.
Cool! thanks Peter
Right, there is also a 4mm version. They were free untill about 1980...now nearly everything is forbidden by the gunlaw in Germany
@@JWKirK-fr5cn Such a shame. You can buy literally anything Flobert here in the Czech Republic. Unlimited energy, any number of guns, any design, even 9 mm Flobert and all you have to do is pass a background check, have the gun registered by the police and be over 18 years of age. So no gun permit whatsoever, just your ID. Just like in the US. Everything used to be max 7.5J prior to 2021, but now since the legislation was relaxed It has been a blast. I have quite a collection of Flobert guns. Series, customized, hand made pieces, various experimental prototypes, like Chiappa 1873 Colt rebored for 9 mm Flobert.
We gave the EU quite the middle finger. Also, our constitution was amended to include the right to bear firearms despite complaints from the Brussels.
You're right that there's also a 4mm version, but actually there are two different 4mm cartridges (or rather three). 4mm randz (curte or long) and also M20 centrefire 4mm flobert. M20 used to be very popular in Germany, so I guess you probably mean this one?
@@diazemap Right but the 4mm long was also used in Germany.
Yes, and they were of different caliber due to the lead balls produced in a shot tower. In a shot tower, one would pour molten lead through a sift and it would fall down a tube into a water basin. Due to surface tension, the lead forms small balls which cool down on their way and are further cooled when they hit said water basin. The diameter of such balls would be between 4,3 mm to 4,65 mm and each barrel of a Zimmerstutzen would be engraved with a number matching the caliber. A ball number 7, would be 4,30 mm, and so forth up till ball number 14 which was 4,65 mm. A cute little thing to shoot. :)
There are at least 5 producers of 6mm flobert guns here in Czechia that I know of. They make modern design guns and replicas. Rifles, pistols, revolvers, derringers. Some make them from scratch, some modify guns chambered for different calibres. You can own them without a gun permit while not being limited by 7.5J like the rest of the EU. Sellier & Bellot makes both 6mm BB and .22 CB cap rounds. 22 CB cap from Sellier & Bellot contains a small amount of gunpowder and produces as much as 60J if fired from a long firearm. Sellier & Bellot rounds are much cheaper than RWS at approx. 15 cents. You can also buy modern design 9mm flobert guns, even a revolver that can shoot 9mm Flobert shotshell. Uncrippled flobert guns are no joke. I made a couple of supersonic .22 CB Flobert rounds by adding a little powder with energies over 100J. The most I got was 427m/s! measured with the same chrono as Taofledermaus.
I still have half a pack of 4 mm S&B rounds and a Czech made Alpha revolver. I haven’t used it for a long time, but before I often add not only gunpowder to the cartridge and also changed the ball for a bullet for air gun weighing 0.78 grams. It turned out to be a pretty strong and accurate shot.
@@NikNePrydumav Great. You mean Alfaproj, or Alfa-proj or just Alfa, most likely a series Holek revolver, model 640, 440, or 240 (depending on the barrel length). Do you have a power uncapped version or does the frame say 7.5J? If so, adding powder to the cartridge won't change much, especially since the S&B 4mm randz ammo already contains gunpowder. 7.5J Flobert revolvers are massively degassed with power lost through an over-calibre forcing cone, over-calibre bore in the chambers and a massive cylinder gap. I chronoed most Czech Flobert guns, 7.5J 4mm Alfaproj won't make it over 7.5J, rather 4-5J. Still more than enough for fun plinking at max 15 yards.
@@diazemap Alfa-Proj, Brno - 440. I throw out the gunpowder completely, change it to a fast one from construction cartridges like Hilti. it is important not to overfill so that there is a normal extraction from the drum. bullet speed and accuracy increase significantly and, of course, many times exceed the allowed 7.5J)).
Tohle bych neměl říkat, ale taky jsem upravil 22 Long BLANK poplašné a osadil je střelou 5.5mm do vzduchovky, ještě jsem to ale netestoval. 😂
@@martinsohajek6111Moc bych od toho nečekal. Zkoušel jsem hybridní střelivo, kdy jsem naládoval do Chiappy LB 5.5mm diabolku a náboj do poplašňáku. Skončilo to roztrženou diabolkou, kdy zůstal v komoře olověný prstenec, jak se ten projektil roztrhl a bylo potřeba použít vytěrák. Takže jestli můžu něco doporučit, tak střílet jenom broky. Taky se hodně zanášela hlaveň povýstřelovými zplodinami a otěrem měkkého olova. Na hradlech taky nic moc, jak je to vzduchovkové střelivo podkaliberní, 6mm flobert má dle CIP 5.73mm a dvě desetiny milimetru jsou poměrně slušný odfuk. Tuším, že jsem z toho vyždímal jenom něco okolo 20J. Z klasické komunistické předělávky Slavie ZVP potom jenom asi 4J při použití S&B 6mm náboje. I z malorajdy jsou flobert výkony horší, kvůli jiné ráži a stoupání vývrtu. Vzhledem k tomu, co se dá do Flobertky nakomorovat (.22 Long Blank určitě nikoli), není nic silnějšího než po okraj podsypaná špička. Akorát je potřeba se připravit na roztržené nábojnice a případné poškození zbraně, hlavně kolem zápalníku či úderníku.
Surprisingly powerful for how they look. The effect on the clay block was the most impressive in my opinion. Thanks for another great video!
thanks Mike
@@taofledermaus 66666ÿ
@@1988remonacat?
As far as the "parlour guns" bit is concerned, the houses they were being shot in were made of brick or stone so it's somewhat less likely they'd be going through the walls. My own house is from around that era and even the interior walls are at least 4" of brick, the exterior are double that. I'd be more concerned about ricochets TBH.
Still an interesting watch, I remember seeing some of the parlour guns on Forgotten Weapons so it's nice to see how the round actually performs.
Nice3
yeah the 'Gravity pistol'
Not to mention the plaster can be hard as concrete
The set up was 4 ft. X 6 ft. target stands with cotton battening on cork over 4-inch soft pine.
They shot them into the fireplace
And had had special targets for them. Also shot them in bars, it was as common as darts back then.
8:25 You are right!
When tank armor piercing rounds are developed, the engineers also take into account fluid dynamics as in high pressures and the velocities involved, the armor begins to behave like a liquid. This is just a smaller scale of it.
@@flat-earther my balls hurt
@@flat-earther get a life flat earth scum. If you actually did some research you wouldn’t be pulling your hair out about the “conspiracy”
@@flat-earther Well, it's not. It's an oblate spheroid...
@adrien5834 Dont even bother lmao. just report and move on...same for copy and pasted bible verses on videos about dinosaurs lmfao
@@DG-iw3yw You don't believe in freedom of speech or freedom of religion?
Can honestly say it's content like this that has made Taofledermaus my favorite channel on UA-cam. Been watching for many years, and hope to keep watching for many more. You guys are just a bunch of fun!
True indeed.
thanks for the kind words
If you calculate the ft-lbs of energy based on the 806 fp/s, it comes out to around the same as a moderately powerful airgun. I certainly wouldn't shoot that inside the house either! Great video guys
The biggest issue is lead dust unless your a terrible shot. As kids we had a 22trap with water made by Olin, we shot 22's in the basement all the time.
23fpe is more than we can shoot in the UK for unlicensed air guns max we can have is 12fpe
thanks Nick
Every so often someone dies from being shot by an air rifle (not even from a high-powered PCP either). 15-20 ft-lbs can be deadly if you get unlucky.
@@yougonnaeatthat9889 Heard about production flobert ammo that's plastic, but haven't been able to find it for sale anywhere. Have seen many people modify pretty much any caliber you can think of to shoot wax bullets in the home (if you're worried about lead). Have heard though that it's not the lead from bullets that's bad, but lead and mercury from primers that causes the toxicity (and pollution).
In the early1980's I got hooked on shooting the 6mm Flobert from my Ithaca single shot Saddle gun. By then the "tin" was yellow plastic with red cover. I liked the Conical bullet style of the Flobert-Patronen Spitzkugeln. I think the BB Cap was called that because the round ball bullet resembled a BB. They shot accurately for me and I liked the little acorn on the head stamp. Your rifle looks like an old Marlin Model 15.
martyjewell I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe.
I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-eartherget the fuk outta here with that rediculous Bullshit flat earth 😂😂😂 everyone knows your full of shit
Like most shooters who start with air rifle, migrate to rimfire’s I’ve enjoyed years of .22 shooting and then enjoyed shooting with my sons. What I’ve always tried to impress upon new shooters is the power of the .22’s. These are very effective cartridges and very capable. What is interesting is the energy from the BB cap from the primer only.
I’ve gone full cycle through all types of firearms, and again back to the .22. Using sub-sonic s, so quiet and accurate at close range. 150 years ago “parlour” shooting was very popular, like people play darts today indoor gallery shooting was a big thing.
peterparsons I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe.
I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-earther it’s interesting that you can take scientific facts, and come to conclusions that are incorrect. For example, Gleason’s World map, is accurate and correct for the purposes that it was intended. It’s is a longitudinal and time calculating map, and is accurate for that use. It is not evidence that the earth is flat.
However I will use it to calculate the effects on the flight of a BB cap, at indoor shooting ranges.
It always amazes me to see these "small/weak" bullet calibers showing why every firearm is to be treated with respect because any bullet is dangerous when not handled safely.
Yup! Most people underestimate the capabilities of the small calibers like in the older video 22lr vs 22short. Cool video Jeff
thanks George
They are all deadly.. indeed
@@knocksensor3203 not instantly, but days later maybe
9mm kill the body .45 kill the soul
@@epicdude8860 lol, sounding like a felon
I think I still have some tiny akker .22 rounds form the 80's (akker means acorn, I noticed the bullets you have there have acorns printed on them, so that must be the connection). My grandfather was a master machinist and made his own pistol for it. One of a kind.
These flobert rounds are to this day very popular in homemade small game poaching guns all over Europe
The acorn was used by the Dynamit Nobell Ag as a marking for a long time.
@@smilingknight4532 In Portugal when i was young we would call mechanical airguns FLOBERTS ;)
If I remember correctly these were intended for a 'shooting parlour'. Small indoor rages where people shot purely for fun and accuracy. I am pretty sure Iain at Forgotten Weapons did a video on them--which given his thing for French firearms and associated incunabula was to be expected..
I found his video on the wax dueling pistols to be highly compelling. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to see those make a comeback some day. Or to have these guys get their hands on some.
That makes sense to me, Dad, uncle and myself used to shoot something like this from CCI. They had both CB and BB sizes. The BB were smaller then the CB. Shot them in a basement into a trap from about 20 ft away. The rounds did fit in the magazine. The rifle was a bolt action 74ish glenfield
I used to set up a trap in my bedroom for my pellet guns. Might be why my marksmanship is pretty good.
Bro that’s average
Xd
Thats fkn huge
Overused joke, didn’t even crack a smirk
@@BarbaraLeach-e5x no one cares kid
@@BarbaraLeach-e5xblud took it personally
Imagine a full auto Flobert in like a minigun configuration. It'd need to be hand crank or electrically powered due to the lack of recoil, but just imagine these shooting at 1-3,000 rpm
lol
Can be recreated using centerfire cap for shotgun and pellet ("BB", if I remember well is actually USA mark for size of the shotgun pellet)
Miniguns (like all Gatling type guns) are externally powered…
A swarm of angry bees
I bought some of these back in the 90s in 50-round tins. They were kind of costly, but they worked for the varment removal I had to do. Haven't even thought about these rounds in a long time. 22 BB caps are fun, but you have to have a single shot to use them. Loaded a few into my 10/22, single-fed them into the action, they worked but can not cycle the action even a little bit. Thanks for the memories guys!! Better times back then.
Love the 22 caliber, I remember back in the early 1960s my grandpa used to be a shepherd in south Texas and I used to go with him sometimes to take care of the goats and sheep and he used to let shoot a Winchester 22 caliber to me it was the greatest thing ever, when I turned 10 years old he give me my first rifle it was a Winchester 63 .
I remember these from Junior high in the early eighties. We actually had a RIFLE TEAM! We carried our .22 rifles to school. We took them to the gym and kept them in our lockers. We even had an indoor range under the gymnasium. They taught and trained kids to use their, rifles, sights, etc. shooting floberts! Kids were actually not screwed up and trusted back then and there was no fear they would shoot up the school. Isn’t that just coo coo?? LOL Hell! Every truck in the student parking lot had a rifle or shotgun in the gun rack. You were considered a complete coward and wuss if you used ANY weapon in a fight. Man! Times have a changed!
Our school was using .22 shorts for rifle team into the late 90s. I think almost everyone had a pocket knife and dirty tricks like pulling a sweater over someone's head in a fight was considered poor form.
I was Captain of my college rifle team class of 79. I had the keys to the range, ammunition, and rifles. Just like you many of the kids had a shotgun in their truck in the student parking lot, just another tool.
We used long rifle and sometimes shorts for practice. The floberts were only ever used for the “intro class” for new shooters. Especially ones that never fired a gun before.
Awesome video! I have a 1964 Winchester boy scout rifle. It’s bolt action but you to pull the firing pin back too. I used to do competitions with it. It is always so fun just plinking 22 long , short, whatever. Makes you go back to your fundamentals.
Gumballs look oddly perfect for a shotgun projectile...
I've never fired nor have I seen fired a Flobert 'round' of any size, but the standard .22 rimfire rounds, now these I've enjoyed shooting many thousands of .
The power and or penetration of the Floberts amazed me, I have to admit. So much for "walk softly and carry a big stick"... (or however that saying is supposed to go.)
That little cartridge and it's 'BB' bullet is surprising.
Very enjoyable video Gentlemen. I'd really like to see more scientific tests like this.
thank you Reg
Now I was not expecting that out of such a small round, nicely done and thanks for keeping it safe for work by making Britany's box 8 bit, it means a lot :) haha. Keep it up guys, and yes that was a Ron Jeremy shot if I ever saw one.
thanks
One of the first guns I ever fired was a single-shot, bolt-action 9mm Flobert shotgun. My dad called it a "thrush" shotgun as the ammo was barely powerful enough to shoot through an aluminium can. Local laws here dictate that shotgun ammo must contain at least 100 pellets of shot. And in the case of 9mm Flobert, that means the pellets were the size of ground black pepper.
LUR1FAX I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe.
I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-earther Or you listen to actual scientists
I imagine that 100 pellets of shot law lead to some outrageous shells 😂
@@OkieDokieSmokie "damn that's a big but ugly cannon"
"What do you mean rifle? That's just a buckshot shell compliant to the law"
"Wtf?"
@@OkieDokieSmokie Basically limits us to really tiny birdshot. A 1988 shooting in my hometown is said to be one of the reasons for the 100 pellet law, as the killed used buckshot and slugs. It also changed the rules for first responders. Since two paramedics were also killed, it made it so that crime scenes could not be entered by other first responders before it has been secured by police. After the 2011 Oslo terrorist attack, this rule was changed again as ambulance personell were forced to stand idly by before police had captured the terrorist.
Still though, we're no different than the States when it comes to passing legislation in the name of tragedies and crimes. We think that passing more laws will make it harder to break the other laws. It's quite silly, really.
BB originally meant Ball Bearing, as you probably know, but it was steel shot. It just kind of transferred to ball projectiles, I guess.
You can still buy these in Australia. I've known a few orchard owners close to suburbia that used them for pest shooting at close range. Last I looked, we could still get the slightly more powerful .22 CB (conical Breech cap). My pop used to use those point blank in the pig yard when ever we did a killer. It had no trouble penetrating a pig skull and zero chance of exiting. Even the biggest boar never knew what hit them before they became salami.
I've pulled projectiles from both; neither had powder, just priming compound. Sonata least they didn't foul up the end of an LR chamber like a short does.
Great vid. Fun to see these little guys work in slowmo.
I've been shooting those (ball & conical) for the past 55 years. I've had to use a Winchester 67 single shot. I always used a pair of tweezers to load them. They're great for dispatching rats and mice. I know that they'll go through a 1" pine board, so as always, know your backstop. I now have 5 of those round containers left and the price tag on the last one I bought was $7.98 for 100. It's been about 3 years since I bought one, but those new prices are outrageous. Is it no supply and big demand? Maybe, I think, it's just the gool old SCREW YOU!
Volume, they don't sell or make a lot of them so...
I had inherited about half a tin of these from my dad's collection two decades ago - used them all fighting off a squirrel invasion of my mom's attic - they did the job.
Oh snap that's funny a full blown huh
You’re right about the clay being a fan favourite, I always love to see it! It’s so cool seeing the effect from the bullet frozen in place
this was was especially good, the expression was too funny
I have an old Remington semi auto tube mag fed 22 rifle, that shoots 22 short, long, and long rifle, and cycles them all fine. It can hold 21+1 rounds of 22 short, and I have shot a bunch of CCI 22 short 29 grain hollow points, and I must say, those little almost quarter inch pieces of supersonic lead that will definitely expand out of the long barrel velocity, and having 21+1 shots with zero recoil, I think something that that would be excellent for some people for self defense, it has been perfectly reliable for me with CCI ammo.
.22 should never be recommended for self defense
@@roarkkaufman9339 I am a firm believer that 5 or 6 rapidly fired rounds from a rifle length barrel velocity, to the upper chest / face region within home defense distance would be absolutely devastating and carnage inducing. Would it be as good as a round of 12 gauge buckshot or a double tap of 5.56? Or course not, however in some cases, I think a 22 can be a very effective weapon.
@@Isaac_5.56x45 Carnage? Hardly, more like pencil wounds. Now would it be fatal? Potentially but if you don't hit a CNS shot with a 22 you can go quite a long time and have a lot of fight in you before your batteries run out.
.22 as a selfdefense round has been discouraged by most 'authorities' in favor of bigger, heavier, and usually faster rounds. However, there was a time when the humble 22 was responsible for more dead humans than all other calibers combined!
It will work all else being equal.
@@rileyneufeld7001 That is why I put an emphasis on upper chest / head region. Any 22 will penetrate the skull and enter the brain at close range, that is lights out. A mere gut shot or flesh wound won't stop someone with a 22 like it could with a more powerful round.
My grandfather used to shoot those rounds in his backyard out of the bedroom window. This was back in the late 70s, early 80s. This was also in the mountains in Germany. I do miss my grandpa.
What a surprising round. It honestly packed more punch than I thought it would.
At first I thought the glass bottle was shattered just from ball the hitting the back of the glass, but that so-mo was incredible! I've seen these before but never put any thought in to them. I think my grandpa had a tin or two we'd uncover occasionally getting gear ready for pheasant hunting. Surprising how much of a punch these things have!
The “nobody is coming. It’s up to you” shirt while shooting these little things is hilarious
You guys have managed to keep the channel interesting for quite some time. Kudos to you and thanks for another great video!
Thank you!!
When I was a teenager one of the local stores carried those. I had an RG revolver that they were perfect for. The tin of ammo and the little revolver were easy to drop into a pocket for plinking around the farm or down at the dump. Shooting those is probably why that RG is still functional. Up until a few years ago that RG was still available in Europe chambered in it's original chambering: the 6mm Flobert...
very cool!
German here. I m from the german-french boarder, not far from belgium - and in my home region, but I think even in the whole of germany, the netherlands, belgium and france, their was no farm, no household with garden, no small business that had not an rifle (most bold action) of this calibre somewhere in the house: It was the ideal tool for vineyard or orchard owners to fight against swarms of sparrows or crows, for houseowners to hunt rats and muskrats, and even some hunters choose it to hunt foxes or rabbits, especially when they hunted in densly populated areas. The power of the "Flobbert" how it was called in our region was absolutly sufficient for this task, precision was sufficient, recoil - what recoil! -the range was not soo good, but therefore you had less to care about the flightpath of your bullet. and it was relativly silent - important in densly populated regions. This calibre was till the end of the 30´s not considerd as "a real weapon" by neither german, nor french nor belgian gunlaws and regulations - this resulted in easy access, low prices and extremly cheap ammunition. In the late 30´s 22 Flobert-cartridges were cheaper than "diabolo-projectiles" for air guns! Then came the Nazi-government and a new gun-law - and they dont liked this "belgian" calibre at all, and even more, they dont liked weapons in civilian hands - not even tiny ones, and the highest hunting-master of germany, Hermann Göring, was obsessed with the idea, that this weapons had to be banned to prevent illegal hunting - only REAL well trained, testified hunters, with the money to buy REAL rifles in REAL hunting calibres, should be allowed to hunt in germany. But the war then put some other things in the focus of the nazi government, and so a lot of 22-Flobert-rifles survived in sharp contradiction to this law in caches all over the countries. After the war, the allied occupation forces in germany had better things to do, and bigger weapons to search, than this small rifles. And after the foundation of the west-german republic, a new gun law was created, largely based on the old nazi law, and with the same intentions in mind that the nazis had (as few weapons in the hands of civilians as possible) - but with this new strange thing called "democracy" around, the government dont dared to fight too aggressive against gun owners. In the 50´s you could buy 22 Flobert ammunition in every rural village and smaller city in Germany, France, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands. But in the 60´s that changed: The Flobert was more and more considered a "real gun" and the weapons and the ammunition became more and more threated like any other weapon - new guns were no longer produced, older weapons got older and older - and the 22 Flobert died. But till today, most people in the rural regions are convinced that the 22 Flobert was THE IDEAL GUN for keeping sparrows, pigeons, rats, muskrats etc. etc. away from your land and house...
I remember shooting BB Caps back in the 70's. Thanks for bringing back those memories!
Glad to do it!
Ok, so a .22 primer has enough power to propel 16 grains to over 800 fps? That and full penetration of the tomato sauce can are actually kinda impressive. And thx for blurring Britney's ___...this IS a family show 😂 😂 😂 I loved this one episode!
lol thanks
aguila colibris..
We used to use BB caps and CB caps all the time to shoot rats at work. We used them in 9 shot .22 revolvers (H&R?) with no issue. They were quiet, didn't damage the concrete walls and didn't ricochet, much. The fifth floor of the building was vacant, we covered the windows downrange with 3/4" plywood an instant range minutes away.
+1 wondered if anyone else shot the CB and BB rounds
@@david.ferris they were great for indoor use and they were cheap. Not as cheap as .22LR but cheaper than .22 short. I think I paid less than a penny a round for LR at that time (on sale). Shorts were probably 7-8 cents a round, BBs 3 -4 cents and CB maybe 5-6 cents. Did not see a whole lot of difference between BBs and CBs for target.
Awesome thought to capture footage of wrestling with the revolver and then success with the bolt action.
I think it's the small details like this that attract the interest of viewers who send in projectiles to share.
thank you!
Interesting? this is not only an example of the genesis of the most popular round in human history, but a critical link in the development of the modern metalic cartrige! U guys Rock!
thanks John
That’s pretty cool. I’m surprised at the glass water bottle shattering? Fun to see dynamic forces in action. Your slow motion shots of the ballistic gel are always fascinating.
thank you
u can shatter glass with an air-soft gun my dude
My vintage 22lr collection infatuation has brought me to own 3 Parlor Rifles chambered in 6mm Flobert. Two of them are actual Antiques from Belgium breach loaded, and the other is an early Anshultz bolt action. Due diligence can reward the same cost per round as CCI CB's for Flobert cartridges and my rifles will chamber and fire Aguila Colibri rounds. Thanks for showing some footage of these in action, I know you could have stretched out the range of your tests though.
Guys, that was one of your most fun-to-watch episodes ever! That is one weird little cartridge. Might be a great round for something like a little Cricket single-shot rifle? (That must be what they used on The Simpson's episode with the derringer shootout in a river boat bar... ua-cam.com/video/qUNDbd2ojhg/v-deo.html
Marlin Model 915Y
@@rocknepoovey4381 Marlin makes amazing .22 bolt actions...I have a couple 25MNs that are hella accurate, something .22 Mag has not been renowned for...
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Years back, I decided to set up a steel target holder with an angled backing plate inside the house for a bit of indoor target practice. I was in the living room, firing through the kitchen and into the sunroom where the target holder was sitting on the floor about 20 feet away. ( Nobody else home). I fired one of these bb caps which hit the target, ricocheted off the backing plate, and hit the heavy curtain behind me. That was enough for me - no more indoor use of bb caps.
Thank you for preserving Britney's decency.
If y'all shot .22 more often I'd suggest that chiappa little badger, I know you've used it before, but I don't know if y'all have access to it anymore. These look fun enough that I'm tempted to get some and try it out.
Hey OG, you know they make neat little notepads that fit in your uniform pocket. Great job on this one. Very interesting little things, never seen before.
I’m sure OG knows all about FieldNotes I’m sure he’s just always done it the way he does it
I honestly can't believe how effective that tiny shell is. I didn't think it would go through anything they shot.
It's actually SCARY how powerful even that tiny little nothing is
Interesting results; I hear tell, that the "CB" with the CCI CB shorts stands for "Conical Ball".
I can't believe someone actually had those. I'm even more floored that they are in the condition they are in. That's wild.
Edit: Aguila made something like this, they may still make them. It's something like a 20 grain pointed bullet in a .22LR case with just the primer pushing it out. They were a lot of fun for shooting in the basement with just about any backstop made for stronger small caliber airguns.
Yep they still make them there called the colibri (for pistols only no gunpowder) and the super colibri (for pistols and rifles super small amount of gunpowder). Good for small pests around the house at close range but you have to pick your shots carefully.
Just saw them for sale in the Sportsmans Guide catalog.
They have the pistol only ones marked as around 500fps., with the conical projectile.
I was interested before; now I'm definitely gonna try them.
@@kj3n569 Do not use them out of a rifle! I've had one get stuck in a 22 revolver. Even the super colibris pay attention to see a splatter downrange.
@@kj3n569 Well, dang. I know they kinda went poof for a while and were hard as heck to find. I actually forgot about them until I saw this video. Super cool to know they're out there again. I'm going to have to grab a couple of boxes. They were a lot of fun for plinking in the house since they were far quieter than any of my airguns. I used to get a kick out of the fact that the striker hitting the case was louder than the shot itself.
Just looked them up, they generate 420fps, 8 lb/ft energy and are .22lr size.
As mentioned above, DO NOT use in a rifle. They are cheap, $6.64 for 20.
Didn't see a db level.
Baby Bullets, ok.😄👍
Might not be effective against Zombies.🧟♂️
5:00 I am Really laughing that you guys had to censor the Barbie doll. 😂
I have seen other channels using coconuts as a simulation for the skull, which I believe would be reasonably representative.
Bearing that in mind and the ballistic gel penetration these tiny rounds were surprisingly dangerous.
Thanks for another interesting video.
thank you
That was super interesting, OG actually looked surprised at some of the results.
We both were!
Yeah, I was too. I didn't expect them to be nearly that powerful. I was wondering if they have an equal primer to a .22 or if they add more primer to make them more powerful, because there's no powder.
I was once given some of those little 22 Cartridges with a 6mm Lead Ball . I always thought there was Black powder in them as they were actually quite good and very quiet. . To find out now there was only primer in them makes them even more interesting
most likely a more powerful primer though
danielgreen I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe.
I got it in my about tab.
I love how informative you are when describing what's happening and the statistics behind your projects keep it up stay safe much love S.C
thank you
Don’t forget the Aguila 22 colibri- it’s like a 22 short shell with only a primer and a 22 grain pointed bullet at approx 410 fps. They’re great
I’ve used these for killing rats in the back yard. My pistol is a Ruger 22/45, but it’s not ideal for these. I think a tip-up barrel Taurus PT-22 would be my first choice, followed by a .22 revolver.
They also have the Super Colibri that is in .22LR if I remember correctly
@@kennethbrown445 maybe that’s what I meant- I bought a case of it a while ago- felt like an empty box lol
An interesting bit of ammunition history.
Thanks!
Keep up the wonderful content.
thanks!
This was awesome thanks guys! I have a starting pistol and dog training pistol that use 6mm flo blanks from and still produced in Germany and they are loud enough to ring your ears so its interesting to find out the ones with a bullet are so quiet!
I wonder if the difference in sound is more from pistol vs rifle or more from the different rounds
@@ChuyIsScared Indeed Im going to take a guess its a mix of the mass and length of the rifle and the ball ammo. The pistols are like the cap guns you wish you had as a child so low quality metals but replicas and no ability to use the ball ammo to find out without destroying them sadly. Also I live in New Zealand so that would be straight to prison of me 😅
Used them in a 9 shot SA revolver on my trapline in high school. I had some that had the acorn insignia, some RWS brand and also some of the larger Winchester CB Caps. The BB projectiles weren't crimped by the case too well and occasionally they would separate in the tin exposing a single, square flake of propellant. I was taught that round BB Caps were "Ballistic Ball" and tapered CB Caps were "Conical Ball".
I'd like to see a bit of muzzle loading action from you guys. Those balls usually flatten out like crazy as soon as they hit anything. Thanks again, Jeff and O.G.🤙🏾
The term BB cap refers to the spherical shape of the projectile. The CB cap was the evolution of the original round containing a (slightly heavier) Conical Bullet. I'm not sure where the modern designation as used by Flobert originated, but as a boy I was given both BB and CB rounds to use as pest control in the family garden. The boxes of ammo i would get my "ration" from were always labled "Conical Bullet" if they were not of the BB variety.
I used a tiny, single-shot, Hamilton break-open rifle. It was built from stamped steel and had a brass lined barrel chambered in .22 short. I couldn't tell you how many times I used that little rifle and those tiny rounds effectively throughout my youth!
This was great! I'd love to see y'all do a musket or a flintlock, something with big lead balls that would be cool with your high-speed.
thanks
OG will have jokes about big lead balls
Love the comparisons, 22 has so many flavors of ammo. Very interesting to see the temp wound cavity from that short, explains some of my varmint hunting experiences...
Love the show, keep it real!
thank you
I had one of this little guys in my bullet collection some years ago. I never ever thought it's so powerful... Wow, thanks for this video. I am stunned..........
Very interesting content. The 22 ammunition has an exceptionally high effectiveness.
Well done guys. 😎🤙🏼
Thank you Horst!!
Love this! I use .22 sub sonic shorts all the time in a bolt action- whisper quiet and so much fun! (They also are plenty 'effective ')
Gotta be honest, this is the best vid I've seen comparing the little .22s. An important reminder that no matter how weak a round seems...it's not a toy and can still be lethal.
thank you
Much appreciated guys. Awesome content 👍🙂
thanks Brad
I imagine these would work wonderfully in a break-action. Maybe in a Webley style revolver with a relief cut cylinder. Those would be good for the indoor range idea.
Never shot Floberts, but have shot CB and BB caps in my single shot. Only problem I experienced was the carbon ring left behind that prevented loading long rifle cartridges. Oh well, just have to scrub the bore more often. Thanks for sharing this enjoyable video.
+1 wondered if anyone else shot the CB and BB rounds
Love yalls videos, always looking forward to them. Keep up the amazing work
My first rifle was a Revelation bolt action single shot from Western Auto when I was 9. I went through a lot of. 22 shorts but don't recall ever coming across these. I wonder how well they would work in a tiny derringer.
Aguila has a load called "Colibri" that is .22LR and uses a 20 grain bullet with no powder, only the primer. I have hunted rabbits and squirrel with them for a very long time.
You guys always come up with the coolest stuff! So interesting.
That was pretty cool.
I didn't know the CCI CB shorts were primer powered only. I always firgured it was just a different bullet (now I know!).
Now I'm curious about a test between the CCI CB short and the CCI long rifle Quiet rounds.
Which is quieter?
Which does more damage?
Which is "easier to live with" (firearm functionality)?
Hoping you get around to that one soon.
Appreciate all the hard work you guys put into these videos. Thanks. =)
Well, I was wrong about the CCI's , the do have a small powder charge.
@@taofledermaus Pretty sure the Quiet rounds do, to.
My family had a 22/410 over/under breach load rifle. The cap(what we called it) was perfect for bullfrog and softball turtles.
Ive been watching this channel for years! And the only fun i can get my hands on here in Sweden are .22lr and 12 gauge shotguns. I realy appreciate this content, keep it on 👌
thank you Karl
I have some of the 22 powder-less more modern rounds. They are called 22 Colibri. Aguila makes them. They are whisper quiet as well. on a side note... Aguila makes some interesting ammo. They also make a 60gr subsonic 22LR cartridge. Those wont cycle most auto actions but are great in a suppressed bolt gun.
Those things are crazy quiet. In a single shot, the hammer is louder than the round.
But the flobert is a bit more powerful. At least the ones I’ve shot from a pistol, they had a pretty good “crack”.
I can't believe you guys missed that joke. Officer Greg literally ripped that lemon a new one
the 6 mm flobert is very well known in France in the rifle called "carabine de jardin ", moreover flobert is the name of a French gunsmith who also created the 9 mm flobert, two calibers used for pests or the very small game
and also used for lots of school guns after the 1870 war to teach elementary school kids early to shoot them damn germans invaders for the next war. didn't really end well... 😑
Three calibers.
There's also a 4mm flobert.
I always heard BB stands for bullet ball. I like the Colibri powderless rounds which I used to shoot in the back yard with the boys. I have a few videos testing them :)
It's the size between "B" and "BBB" in shell loads.
thank you for swinging by!!
Stands for Ball Breech
Crazy how even 2 months ago ammo was more expensive. Now you can get 10mm ammo for cheaper than that BB ammo 😂
I've always been intrigued by weapons you can actually shoot inside your house. I would guess you could form a good backstop with just some reasonably thick wood or an old ballistic vest. I may have to experiment with some .22 CB caps in my Ruger Bearcat. I have a few that I bought to start my kids out on, but I realized it was better to just put 22 LR in it and give them ear protection. Indoors though would be intriguing. Obviously not as quiet as through the longer barrel, but it would be interesting to see how quiet inside a room, which tends to magnify sounds (I once made the mistake of firing a 5.56mm blank round, thinking we used to use those by the truckload without ear protection in the Marine Corps, but it was a whole different ballgame inside a small room).
Having a "basement range" at home is a great idea. I have a meager 8yd cellar range. I shoot only Aguila Colibri (standard or super), Remington CBee caps or these Floberts. Ventilation is as important as gun safety. I use wood and old phonebooks (remember them??) as backstop. I like shooting my Rossi 62SAC, Ithaca 49, Rossi Matched Pair rifle and Ruger KNR-5 on my range. Shooting sports are the most fun you can have with your pants on and a great mental enema.
In the movie Home from the Hill (1960) Robert Mitchum has George Hamilton shooting a log in the fireplace. That's the best use of a fireplace that I've ever heard of. Good movie!
That flobert round looks like a great way to make a umbrella gun🥰
At around 24 ft/lbs, the energy of these rounds is quite impressive. Shame you didn't have time for some accuracy tests at longer ranges.
That little round looked like more fun than some of the big rounds, good job guys!
thank you!
Flobert type rimfire ammunition is still made and sold, albeit not in large volume. I've seen it listed in 6, 8, and 9 mm sizes (corresponding to .22, .32, and .35, the last seemingly compatible with 9 mm rimfire shotgun rounds). It's a lot easier to find than 2 mm or larger pinfire ammunition, which fits guns still being manufactured as recently as five or ten years ago (may still be in limited production).
Worth noting, however, that houses in the 1840s (where anyone might live who could reasonably afford "parlor guns" to shoot indoors after dinner) were much sturdier than modern "balloon" construction; walls were typically planked with oak an inch or more thick, over beams several inches square -- if they weren't stone. And Flobert's weren't the first parlor guns; there were earlier examples that used percussion caps to drive a muzzle loaded ball that were used the same way (the Count of Monte Cristo used them to keep his hand in) -- there were even similar guns used with wax balls for dueling as a sport!
Talking about quiet -- Aquila sells .22 LR ammunition that works in revolvers, lever and bolt rifles (obviously won't cycle a semi-auto, but it'll feed) that has only the primer compound for propellant. They put a warning on the box to check for a lodged bullet after each shot, since there might not be enough noise or recoil to be sure the bullet actually exited the bore...
As always, love watching your stuff, you and your crew always make things fascinating.
thank you!!
I’ve shot one of those little .22 cap shots and it did pretty well. I was probably 100 yards shooting out of a Marlin and is was super quiet but that sucker was fast, I would say it was almost as fast as a 22lr sub judging by the time it took to hear a ping.
michaellance I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe.
I got it in my about tab.
Hydrostatic shock= "There's glass everywhere now"! Lol! Loved the vid, RIP Danny.... Please take 🙏 care ALL!!!
Flobert rounds. Very exotic and impressive. Great job Jeff
thanks
I have some exotic buckshot/ufo projectiles for you to try one day. And another whistling slug. How can I mail it to you? Never seen these shot by anyone ever and I've seen everything you and a few others try. If you have a PO Box for me to mail too I would like to send you some to try and load test. Please let me know where to send the package. Thanks for all your hard work.
We have a lot of these in Europe (France), my older bro' taught me shooting with a 6mm Flobert (which for unknown reason, is called 9mm here), you can find bullet or birdshot, which are much longer. It's the common vermin rifle in the countryside. Very effective on birds if you wanna protect your cherry tree :D
That’s a 9mm flobert shotgun mainly used for pest control also called garden guns. Different caliber completely chips makes a new 9mm garden gun and ammo is available sometimes.
9mm are for 9mm carbine, not for 22lr. Flobert cartridges are called ''flobert' for the both diameters. The birdshot flobert for 22lr are also called 'bosquette' in France ('bosquet' is a copse, thicket.)
I remember firing these at Colmar's fun fair in the Sixties when I was around eight years old. Or was it .22 short? The man at the stand took our "tune" coins and loaded the carbine for us. I remember they even had a real, or knock-off Margolin pistol. I loved it!
Your mention of “ParlorGuns” brings back memories of the only person that I had talked to about these rifles, and who could actually afford to buy a used one. He was not highly impressed. I knew another farmer who was born around 1900, and lived in a rat infested house. His entertainment in an evening, before TV was to read the paper in the living room, with a Winchester 62 loaded with shorts. When a rat popped up in the kitchen, he would put on the stealth move, and kill a rat. One of his boys would scamper to toss the rat out the door, where a barn cat would drag it off before morning. Back to the paper…….
Cool I'm going to make airsoft a lot more fun