I’m pleased to hear your comments on the slip angle. That’s my biggest gripe with this game. It’s exacerbated with the GTE’s obviously but it even creeps in with the LMP2’s and Hypercars on occasion. Hopefully the devs see this and take note because it’s coming from you.
Your lessons are so helpful. Thank you. Do you have another video about LMU? A follow up after you had some seat time would be great. If missed it please excuse my laziness. I didn't look very hard.
After about 500 hours in ACC i migrated to LMU in a heartbeat. Haven't really turned on ACC since. You make the point there, the car feels connected, you are IN it, not above it. That and the FFB has done it. The way the sausage kerb felt in Spa T1 just blew my mind. The second point is the car physics / crash model, where as somebody below already said, you can actually have some decent door bangin' racing without the feer of dying. The amount of times i got gently tickled in ACC to stupidly fly off the road or got into a spin ... i'm glad those times are over. Really hope the guys get a chance to develop it further and build a full blown platform. Once they add driver swaps, the endurance racing will be really fun. Great video though, thanks for the effort, i've been waiting for your review and am really glad it's in your good books.
yeah, rFactor2 always had the best ffb and physics since the beginning in 2012, problem was, the rest of the simulator was horrible, pushing people away. if you compare rf2 now with the 2012 version, it past through a gigantic improvement in all aspects, but the name reputation is already damage, so LMU is one way they found to get rid of the name rF2. Enjoy, I see you in the track!!!
In ACC is not connected to the car because are wrong FFB setting. Start to setting dumper at 50 in game(99% setting on UA-camrs is 0😂), rise dumper on base and interpolation at 0 and booom, a lot of details from tyre and track is here.
Over 2500 hours on ACC, I jumped into this quite pumped. At first, I dropped my play time on ACC for LMU by a LOT. But I was in the discovery phase that you describe very well. It feels good at first when you learn how to drive those cars, but then when you start pushing it gets to a place where it takes away way too much rear end grip, similar to how AMS2 feels. Funnily enough you even see the AI struggling with that, having AI LMP2s and Hypercars drifting and losing their rear end in high downforce corners... I ended up sticking back to ACC. No it is not the perfect sim, far from it, but it clearly is (for me) the best GAME overall. It is really entertaining to race in ACC.
Go for it dude. Don't become a "could've would've should've 40-year old". Do what you love and enjoy life. Oh, and invest like crazy in the S&P500. It might drop alot sometimes but you should never withdraw your money. Not until it's time to retire and live off the interest. Thank me later. Edit: Seriously, you need to talk about this with your parents RIGHT NOW. The S&P500 has averaged 11% per year over 30 years. Google "Compound Interest Calculator" and see how rich you can become if you do some smart decisions NOW, and invest your money over four decades.
I'm not a pro racer, but I totally agree with your thoughts on the tyre model of iRacing vs LMU/rF2. I feel like the cars in iRacing don't move around enough, but the cars in LMU move around too much. I really wish iRacing and other racing sim devs like Studio 397 would consult with drivers like Daniel to dial in their tyre models.
Right. My sc2 is much more raw then iracing. So that takes a lot of tweaking and more then 4 hrs per car to get it to your liking. Question is how much was that a stock setup also. I know from a gte stand point iracing vs RF2/LMU it’s a lot different feel. Iracing GTe RSR is one of my favorite cars eve as the tires are lacking.
Would love to see some of these developers work with professional racers to get feedback to help improve, adjust and develop their simulators. Who better to learn from than professional drivers who drive these cars and tracks in real life. Thanks for your feedback and insights on LMU Daniel
Thanks Dan! One thing you missed to mention is the brilliant racing you have in this game. The close battles, amazing netcode and car contacts without being dead instantly is what makes it so much fun for me to drive ❤
I actually thought the other day, "Man, imagine if Daniel made a video on this game and his thoughts." And to my surprise here it is! I've said this before but we are truly appreciative as a sim racing community to have you with your experience give us this insight as you just don't have many content creators with the background you have. That being said, I am hoping the developers are taking your critiques and the likes of other drivers to a high degree as your right, I think this title truly has the means to shake the sim market and keep developers from other titles on their toes! It'll only benefit the consumers / sim-hobbyists which I see you're all about.
Really enjoyed this. Great to have your unbiased opinion and detailed explanation. One thing I was going to mention is that a lot of people are saying that LMU is a simple rF2 reskin. After seeing remarks from the devs in the rF2 Discord about how it would be next to impossible to back-port LMU stuff to rF2 due to the changes, you really get a feel that they have made some wholesale changes between the two games. It uses the same game engine tech obviously, but its been revised beyond where rF2 is at. Since they don't need to make sure that old legacy content doesn't break like in rF2, they could finally do some new stuff they've probably been wanting to try for a long time.
Yea but they imported big bugs and lot of 3D objects and most of the menu points and the MP and the loadingtimes and for sure the FFB and physics. You know? I‘m fine with it. I think it‘s a great fresh restart of rfactor. But they have to fix the crashes to desktop and the loadingtimes and the slipangle and improve all old 3D models in order to be great.
I own all the biggest sims right now and lately I have been playing LMU exclusively. It has all what I ask for: Nice and intuitive physics, great multiplayer and great community with lots of clean racers, pretty good graphics... Some would say that it has few content but for a person like me, who does 5 to 10 online races a week, it's more than enough. Honestly, I can't ask for more. Maybe a couple more cars? Some extra circuit every now and then? Apart from bug fixes, everything else is just fine right now.
the developers said that in the future we can expect update with 2024 WEC season. So in it we will probably get LMGT3 car class ( 9 cars ) and new LMH Isotta Fraschini and LMHd cars ( BMW Lamborghini and Alpine ). And new tracks from 2024 so Losail Imola Interlagos and COTA.
For anyone who's into RL-relevant series and likes WEC, the narrow focus on that content will only be a plus. Once they enable TrackIR support, I will gladly race in LMU alongside iRacing, and then may even switch to it exclusively.
Fantastic video and on point. Also, thanks for keeping your videos clean and profanity free, unlike many out there these days. Your maturity is appreciated.
Great to see your thoughts! I love the FFB ,driving and overall presentation of LMU already, but at first I thought there was an issue with the differential where the car just overturns and feels very light and sketchy on the apexes of corners (which you describe as the slip angle). You can see that in your video too that you seem to turn the wheel too fast and have to correct it because it turns in too quickly. I spend some time with the Aston changing all sorts of settings on the stock setup and managed to dial that out for the most part. Feels way more enjoyable this way! Also dialed in FFB and lowered it from 100 etc In short, if you take some time to dial in both the FFB and the stock setup of these cars, the experience is excellent.
Try changing steering sensitivity. I really like rF2/LMU steering sensitivity, but it's different from any other sim, where I need to increase that option in the settings.
Always love your feedback and well thought out impressions. Just started on this sim yesterday with the base version and after 3 hours I picked up the season pass. Great so far.
I really liked the D-Box coding for this sim, without any tweaking of settings, it felt great right out of the box. For an early release, this title has great promise.
I have heard that the former ISI main physics programmer guy is now working at iRacing. I really hope he will have some major influence on coming tire model updates, this tire overheating bullsh*t has been going on for way too long, they slightly improved it once when that huge outcry happened but its still a massive problem with iRacing.
@@gefx0164Yeah, I noticed something being wrong with iRacing's tyres compared to other sims the first week I drove a GT3 in 2020. Now, in the back of my head in the Lamborghini, I feel like I'm always having to drive around or manage tyre temps. After a slight slide, I feel like I must be driving on F1 Pirelli's because they have a hard time cooling down after overheating.
rfactor is the gold standard in my opinion. And their physics engine derives from rfpro, which is their commercial racing simulation software, used by actual f1 teams for their training simulations
Thank you Daniel for your analysis of a professional pilot. I hope that the developers of Studio 397 will take your comments into account in order to be as realistic as possible. Indeed, when you see people like Hoyer, everything is done by gliding to go very fast, even if it's not for everyone to have such mastery. I play : RF2 - Le Mans Ultimate : Asphalte, Road Race Iracing : Rallycross, Nascar Race ACC -AMS : it's not possible anymore it's nice it's beautiful but it's too arcade for me
D, you should give the GTE cars another shot, since in the June update they got the latest tire model (hypercars and LMP2s shipped with it). I'd love to know what you think. I'm not the fastest guy by any means but i'm decent and this platform is really ticking all the boxes for me right now. IMO successful trail braking is more intuitive/detectable in the GTEs post update. also, i think a lot of original work was done on the tire model for this title and that it's not exactly an RF2 reskin, although RF2 influence is clearly present. re: excessive slip angle phenomenon, i was watching some IRL hypercar onboards, maybe its a camera trick but i noticed how loose the rears are and how much slip angle seems to be possible, so maybe 397 are onto something.
I’ve heard that they’ve updated it all. I really want to try it again. I thought it was very promising to begin with and it was only a pre-release version of the game. I’m sure it’s going to be amazing now.
@@danielmoradit’s pretty good the new model, the only complaint is the lack of ffb in slow speed corners but the slip angle has been reduced significantly. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts
Hi Daniel, I need a little clarification from you here. When you say you want them to fix the rear slip angles is it that a) LMU rear tires need MORE grip so they aren't slipping as much? b) LMU rear tires should have a steeper fall off on grip so that rather than let you slide and recover, you spin out and crash iRacing style by going over the limit? c) Something else....
Simply adding more grip will not fix the issue, it'll just "hide" the issue more due to simply having more overall grip. This issue, and certain other ones regarding vehicle behaviour/action and vehicle reaction during rear oversteer - especially under power - and relative to driver steering & throttle inputs/modulation are due to the underlying physics engine and tyre model the game runs on. It can even be traced back to before the RF2 / LMU physics engine & tyre model, all the way back to the first ISI physics engined games even before RF1, like, for eg., F1C99-02 (although the issues are certainly not AS bad as in those very early games). The underlying physics engine and underlying tyre model in Netkar Pro and Live for Speed are, by far, the best when it comes to this overall area of vehicle behaviour & reaction (driver control and how the vehicle behaves & responds to steering & throttle inputs during rear-oversteer especially rear-power-oversteer).
"If iRacing and rFactor 2 had a baby it would be a perfect specimen" 😂 very true. With the FFB I think all sims are too direct because they don't model all of the flex and play in the chassis. In your hotlap you look to be overdriving the car a fair bit. I don't know how much success you're getting in the weekly races driving like that but it tends to be a bit slower than being smooth. I have definitely found moments where I thought I was going to lose the car but I caught it. But I don't think it's actually fast driving like that. Especially with it being endurance racing, your tyres would be toast. I thought you were on point with this video really. For context I play mostly iRacing with a little rF2. But since LMU came out I've spent most of my time doing online races. I've played and enjoyed ACC in the past, but it's not my favourite. Same for AC and R3E. Driving dynamics aside, I like the attention to series specific details in LMU. Plus things like being able to roll through the paddock, having to take care in the pits, the marshal post light boards which actually work. The pit exit lights that actually work. Even the starting lights that actually work. There's many elements I wish iRacing would pick up. Elements that are maybe not important in a game, but make a difference if you have track experience.
@@deanwannell6613 Yeah true, I find the sim tribalism a bit tiring really. I play iRacing, rF2 and LMU. Would probably play others if I had some more time. There's plenty of good options and no need to make it like the one ring to rule them all. I like iRacing for the community. I like rF2 for the way it feels (to me) of being on track. None are perfect though.
Thank you Dan! I like the fact that the braking is not so different to iRacing, so i dont get any mishaps from playing LMU and then jump back in Iracing. Hope to see you doing some more vids from this, im really enjoying it also...
Since LMU is out I didn't race in ACC. The feeling of the car is more connected to the road , it feels more correct compared to ACC.. Force feedback better than acc, breaking, collision model is way better, you can have wheel to wheel fights with a bit touchy, touchy without dying. The sound we don't have to talk about it, it's the best sounding sim.... I hope they make more process to have a really nice simulation on the marked....
I don’t think it’s the best sounding sim. Personally. There’s plenty of versions of those cars in other sims that are on par. But I do think it’s the most consistent.
The sound?We keep hearing the same exact peble hitting the bottom of the car after you go off track,and the sound doesnt change neither with the speed of the car or,the size of different pebles? lol The AI its just Artificial,no intelingence at all!!!And not to forget that even having a pc way above the game recommended system requirements,need to reduce a lot of crap just to make it playable!And how about the laggy menu or the huge download times?
I use rFactor 2 and as soon as they develop the VR mode for LMU, I will use this as well. I tried both iRacing and Assetto Corsa Competizione and, from what my perception is, rFactor 2 is what really makes me feel like I'm driving a real race car.
I’m 17 and striving to become a GT factory driver fulltime, I’m on console right now playing GT7 and ACC, your videos have helped me so much on perfecting my driving and helping me with qualifying I’ve never been really good with qualifying, my main goal right now is IMSA, I love everything about IMSA and endurance racing, thank you for helping me and loads of other people!!
I’m starting to believe I’m becoming an experienced sim racer bc all of the things you mentioned in the different sims I’ve always been thrown off by like ACC’s braking, Rfactor and lemans ultimates slippery rear.and Iracings sensitive tires to heat in the tires all of these things throw me off just a little bit in each sim. But I’ve found Iracing to be the most detailed in my opinion just when it comes to the throttle,braking and steering it’s so detailed and I feel like I can balance and feel the car
Glad to see somebody confirming what I've been thinking all the time. The rear is just a bit too unstable, the rest feels good. Tbh I think the LMP2 and the Porsche 963 come a lot closer to what it probably should be in terms of rear end grip. But the GTEs are extremely sensitive, especially in slow corners - try driving on Fuji in a GTE for more than 20 minutes on the same tire set and the last sector will become an endless game of countersteering twice per second while managing throttle input one millimeter of pedal travel at a time.
Thanks for the constructive feedback. You make some super valid points. The slip angle remark is correct, however in longer stints you’re punished for driving like that. Still, something for the devs to work on. Also, try the LMP2, I think the tire model is better than the GTEs
I love hanging out in it. There’s something so calming about the room. I think that the black walls and ceiling really make it feel like it never starts or ends. You are just calm there.
Also you can do the old rF2 "cheat" and put the tire PSI as low as possible and put the differential preload to maximum. It makes it way more stable, its kind of a workaround on the physics system if you could call it that.
@ebeninca doesn't matter what the PSI is, the main thing is just to go to the setup and turn down the PSI as low as it'll go. Then turn the differential preload to the max that it'll let you. I've always done that with rF2 and had good results.
Tire physics in LMU are different from rF2, rF2 are even more forgiving but they feel more "natural". This new tire model apparently solves the drifting meta (lowest rear wing and no rear arb) of rF2, but it's not finished apart from the Hypercars from what they said in the discord. You could try the GTEs in rF2 in Spa, all official content, to understand it.
rf2 Guy since 2016 with over 1500h on it, i tried all other sims and drove also about 2 years on iracing in diffrent leagues, but the feeling and smile that rf2 and now LMU gives me is unreached by the other sims
I agree, iracing lack of yaw and rf2/LMU more yaw is something to get use to. The feel of in the text is much better then iracing. I know my sc2 pro settings are quite different between the two, more raw with rf2 and there more feelings there the iracing. Iracing you can’t hustle the car and even the hustling a race car doesn’t always means fast there’s times when it necessary and iracing you end up burning your tires up quickly or the death ☠️ spin
Hi Daniel, thank you for your awesome work in the simracing community ! Now i have a request for you that i really would love to see you do, i feel like raceroom is one of the most overlooked sim at the moment. Would really appriciate if you made a video on it and share your thaughts on the realism, funfactor etc. Keep up the awesome work man! And if you ever come to Sweden let me know, would be so awesome to see you taking my Oreca viper around some swedish tracks!
Sad to disappoint, but AMS2 is a simulator of simulation. Fun game to show drunk or imaginary friends. Beautiful in VR too, but even more ungly simulation of simulation shines through. AC2 will eat it for first breakfast of early access.
I think a good setup for your wheelbase and a good setup for your specific car can make a huge diference in terms of feeling in any sim and i think this is what you are missing here.
Another great video dude! Would love to hear your opinion on AMS2, they just released their own endurance pack with new GT3 and hybrid cars. I personally love the sim for VR and love what the devs are doing but literally can’t stand the physics. If you think rf2 is drifty, you haven’t seen anything 😂
@@snappedbydan OMG.....AMS 2 really does have the worst physics , and for me it's the front end skating and sliding all over the place !! Don't bother with it anymore ...........
I'am pretty sure the sleep angle problem is caused by the lack of setup. You should try it with a good setup. The experience will be completely diferent
I feel like LMU made the tyres a bit peakier, which is an improvement over rF2's overly wallowy tires, but now the cars are more prone to snapping without warning, especially considering you still need to aggressively chuck the car into the turn as you mentioned in the video. No sim is perfect and this type of constructive feedback is what will change these games for the better. It's a shame how some people are really stubborn towards criticism of their favourite game, Raceroom's my favourite driving experience but I can acknowledge its physics still has issues, we need to be critical of these issues if we don't want our favourite games to stagnate in mediocrity.
I thought exactly the same thing. The slip angle really catches me off guard as I’m used to iRacing. I feel like I can’t fully push the car to the limit compared to other sims
There were big talks about how S397 had their tires way too much enjoying large slip angles. We were taling a lot about that several years ago. After that they improved the tires massively. But perhaps they are still a little bit lacking the sense of being planted and enjoying to stay being planted. In my mind bigger problem is likely not slip angle, but longitudinal slip lacking, or could be both. As cars are accelerating/decelerating longitudinal slip adds with slip angle (traction citcle thing). Besides that there could also be aerodynamic yaw angle sensitivity....
I was waiting for months for your review, I'm glad that your opinion is same as mine. Spot on. When you start chasing laptimes and be competitive the rear steer driving behavior really upset me. I hope they will fix it or it will die as RF2 mod, at least for me.
I kind of agree to the slipangle thing.. but only kind of... it is a bit hard to explain because it is a combination of differend things... it is true you can get away with a bit too much slip angle without realy loosing time.. maybe even gain a little bit here and there.. but most of the time you are better of without using too much slipangle... mostly you are a bit faster without going to excessive slipangles... and keep it more in shape.. just a bit of slip.. a bit of rotation but not too much.. again like I said you can get away with too much (and in some corners benefit from it) ... but it is a very delicate balance/window... which I realy enjoy... and what I realized.. people who do use excessive slipangles.. they might be fast for a few laps.. but they are shredding their tyres... when you drive a bit more "normal" you can keep up with them in a race.. and after a few laps you see how they start to struggle... and are soon dropping 1-2 seconds per lap.. as example.. I had a race at spa.. qualified 3rd.. the first few laps.. they got a tiny bit away with very aggressive driving style... but I could keep up more or less with a more normal driving style... or more normal rotation... after a few laps they got realy into trouble with the tyres and I had it easy... I ended the race winning with almost 20 seconds in the lead... with only a slight dropoff in time.. however I don't know what the real fast pace is there.. I drove in the 2.15s with the GTEs and in the 2.05s with the lmp2 ... if it can go much faster then that.. maybe my statement it completly wrong.. but it felt like you can get quite good laptimes without using excessive slipangles so yes I agree there seems to be a bit too much slipangle with what you still can get good laptime.. and maybe it should be slower if you use such slipangles.. and it feels like you need such slipangles to be fast at the beginning.. but as soon as you find the feel and balance for the window.. you realize you don't need it at that extreme to find the time... and like I said it does kill the tyres rapidly when going with those excessive slipangles. so if they can fix that excessive slipangle amount without compromising the rest of the tyre I would be very happy ofcourse.. but if it needs to be there so there is some kind of headroom, it is also ok for me... because of the above reasons... the example in blanchimont where the rear suddenly starts to be quite loose... yes I don't know if it's the tyre or the setup.. if it is the tyre then yeah.. maybe it shouldn't be that sensible... but if it is because of a quite front biased aero setup or so.. I could understand it... I think it is more the setup.. because if you go very soft on the steering input and just give the car the hint to go left there... it doesn't get unstable.. and just drives through it normaly (which is faster btw).. it just seems to be quite pointy in terms of setup. but yes I know rf2 is quite forgiving in terms of slipangle.. and likes rotation alot. however for me LMU is the best sim outthere for me at the moment.. in terms of feeling and immersion... the feel on the brake is amazing.. you can somehow feel exactly what is happening... through the visual, feeling and also audio cues....it just feels natural the audio is absulutely amazing in LMU I think... best sounding sim outthere I think.
Great summary about rf2 engine, and fair point, but one part you didn't mention in the video we might curious about is how the hypercars feeling and working (especially compare to iracing), because GTE is sadly dead, lmgt3 will be dlc for LMU later this year, the most special part is hypercars and we're much curious about how you think of it. Yep you're gt driver haha but that point will make a step up for this video❤❤❤
Daniel, slip angle abuse was an RF2 thing many years ago, now if you abuse it you'll pay it in the long run so, maybe it's useful for just an hotlap or maybe first laps of a sprint race. Also you can manage the rotation with setup change and driving style. About FFB, it's the only thing we can use to "feel the car" if it's too much you need to decrease ffb, on my SC2Pro I have 100% on truedrive and 18% on Rf2 car specific FFB and around 25% on LMU FFB and I can feel everything without "fighting" the FFB force.
I think that there are so many others who can shape that stuff. I try to share my skill set which is knowing what feels real. But I could def squeeze that stuff in
@@danielmorad that’s the best part is your professional driver’s opinion of what platform is the most immersive and realistic! Thank you! I will keep watching!
One thing Ive noticed on the lmp2 is to get the front end to bite/get rotation on corner entry you really need to use a little brake. In iracing or even an AC1 mod the front end is still super strong even coasting/off throttle. Maybe its a setup thing but it seems very off. Also the rear is super lively on throttle.
That’s exactly my take on the tires as well. I never drove a car on the limit before on slicks but that felt a little bit off. IRacing still is the most intuitive drive for me.
I think a lot of it just depends on what you've driven the most, you end up adapting to the sim. I did iRacing for years, let my sub lapse, then drove rF2 mostly for a couple of years. Resubbed to iRacing and I have to say I was shocked how lifeless it felt compared to rF2. In rF2, I have so much more feeling of being connected to the road and more information about what the car is doing.
Great Job! Next in the Line Race Room Racing Expierience? - Since the Sim recieved an complete new Tyremodel this Winter. I would love to hear your opionion on FFB and Braking in RaceRoom. :) - Greetings from germany
After a lot of hours in many sims through the years I'm settled in Raceroom and I'm not going anywhere else. I know this is not a common opinion but RR It's just the best and most fun of them all. I'd like to hear his opinion on it as well.
The tire is my biggest complaint about this sim too. The rear especially feels a little wrong. I haven't played it since like the 2nd day it came out so I'm hoping down the line they make an improvement there. iRacing is still my preferred sim not just because I think it feels better, but because of the competitiveness of the drivers. Hopefully the sim gets these improvements and the player base rises. At the moment, there's only an average of just under 800 drivers with a peak of a little over 2,000. That small player base is going to make lobbies have big skill gaps between drivers and that wouldn't be any fun.
iRacing has also a slip angle issue. You can drive certain cars extremely aggressiv and it feels more like a drifting challenge than actual driving. The only difference is, when you drive like that you are really really quick in iRacing but the terrible tire model counter that really hard. You can drive like that maybe 5min before your tires overheating and you driving on ice.
Slip angle? I get the tire part of it, if a tire is pointing, 12 o clock, then the difference where the tire is pointing and the surface its traveling on is measured in degrees, but the sim is oversteery basically?
I've been waiting for an rF2 review forever, I think you should still do it just for your opinion on the GT3 cars with ABS. Not that it would be hugely different, but hey why not it's free content for you.
Would love to try it.. been using iracing , haven’t tried ACC or R Factor yet.. very informative as what to experience, what to look for as I get into sim
This is an awesome helpful video, by far the best review on youtube.. what sort of camera are you recording with that's above your head pointing at the screens and what fps settings do you have it set to record with.. cheers mate
@@danielmorad Thank you for the quick reply, i may need to look into this camera as I'm currently using a go pro 9 for recording my races on my sim rig but I find anything over 60 fps on it makes it look dull and abit dark
When will gloves be restocked on the website? Wanted to get some of the Classic Red Gloves in Sm with my name on them but the custom name and flag option made it out of stock despite the glove being in size... I'm ready to order baby! I know things aren't shipping until 4/15 because of your next race, so good luck to you and the team!
I find iRacing more transferible to real life tbh. I always end going really far in terms of slip angle in order to be fast here. iRacing has a lot to improve but, with no real race car experience, LMU feels a bit worse to me. The slip angle thing breaks my inmersion and makes me feel that I am on a simcade (which is ultimately not true at all). Thanks for the video.
I was waiting for this review. I've been enjoying this game a lot lately. They have updated it and improved it quite a bit. Still room to improve,but I agree with the drifting aspect of it. How did you get racelabs to work with LMU?
It's good to hear some positive feedback about this game. I've used Rfactor 2 in the past, mostly setting up AI races. I hope this game keeps the momentum it's on. I'm considering buying it as a substitute for weeks when iRacing has less than desirable car-track combos.
I think you've raised a very interesting and important point that many people overlook, which is the details about force feedback (FFB). Indeed, almost everyone feels that the FFB in RF2 (LMU) is much better than in iRacing, providing more information and feedback, and I share this sentiment as well. However, I often ponder a question: could it be that in real-world racing, steering wheels don't convey as much detail as we experience in LMU? Could it be that iRacing's somewhat bland and slightly ambiguous FFB is actually closer to the real car feeling? for example, looking at an ultra-high-resolution photo, where even the pores on a person's face are visible. Indeed, more information and detail are present, but in real life, our naked eyes can't perceive those things, so it actually becomes less realistic.
Agree with your review. Pretty good feeling but too much oversteery/snappy/drift simulator for the moment, especially with GTE and LMP2. Hypercars feels more neutral but traction is a bit low
i hope a lot you watching drivers noticed, that Daniel left the pits and let another car pass on minute 2:25 which was on a flying lap to avoid, that he runs at you within Eau Rouge. Great move, even when its an KI driver coming. Hope some remember you because there are a lot of people are outside on the virtual tracks which go out with cold tyres and fight against drivers on a flying lap. So this is what a race driver separates from stupid crash kids! ;-)
I have to agree the slip angles need to be fixed. But as the other gentleman said too in ams2 as well. The question is though is how long will it take to fix it?? Thank you for doing this video hopefully the right people will get to see it.
I was always a massive RFactor 2 fan but was annoyed that you couldn't jump in a public lobby. Loving LMU as that side of it is still there. There are physics differences as mainly drive the Aston GTE and couldn't drive the Porsche on RF2 but now mainly use the Porsche as prefer it over the Aston. Overall, great sim 👍
I feel the same way you do. I also think the rear wheel slip is too big, but I'm not a racing driver, so up until now I thought it was supposed to be. FFB is different for GTE, LMP2 and Hypercars. In Hypercars I have to set 100% of the FFB force, and still the car doesn't feel good.
How can you NOT mention the incredible immersive onboard engine sound as the very first thing! 😬 That sound is SO important for full immersion imho. That’s what makes you feel IN the car combined with great physics and FFB. The sound also tells you a lot about what the car does. There is so much detail in LMU sounds that it definitely needs a mention! 🙏🏼
Everything is spot-on. I cancelled my iRacing subscription because it was getting too expensive for the amount of overall fun it provided, and started on LMU as my main sim. All races are fun, I don't have to learn tons of tracks, there's the Peugeot 9X8 and hopefully the Lambos soon. More importantly we don't feel like we're driving on eggshells like in iRacing, which also makes low-level races cleaner and more enjoyable. Yes, seeing an LMP2 record on Bahrain where it drifted on all sharp turns wasn't a good surprise but if I had to choose (which I did) I would prefer more slip angle than not enough.
Right now, I'm kind of a LMU guy for now,. It's completely different than anything from the feeling of ACC. I will still absolutely play iRacing, but I'm just enjoying myself with this for a bit.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Raceroom if you're ever game to try that sim. They recently updated their tire model focusing on slip angle. I've never driven a real racecar so no idea how realistic it is.
Always like to watch your videos. I do wish you sucess in the utube medium, the quality of content you deliver way further than the amount of subs you have, the number should be much bigger. Keep going.
I love LMU, good to see some good feedback for the developers. Game has great potential. The online is amazing (or can be if you avoid some beginner classes)
Le Mans Ultimate allows me to feel the limits of the car with more detail than iRacing. Only hope they release more content for it (update for season 2024).
Your realistic crash reaction was the best part of this video haha, love seeing those real life habits come out
Thankfully I don’t practice it a lot 😂
I’m pleased to hear your comments on the slip angle. That’s my biggest gripe with this game. It’s exacerbated with the GTE’s obviously but it even creeps in with the LMP2’s and Hypercars on occasion. Hopefully the devs see this and take note because it’s coming from you.
Same here. It takes the enjoyment away for me.
yes it is too much
It's so much better now :)
@@virtual_GaRyagree, came back Yesterday to LMU after 3 months and all the 3 classes Drive phenomenally now without this much Slip angle
Your lessons are so helpful. Thank you. Do you have another video about LMU? A follow up after you had some seat time would be great. If missed it please excuse my laziness. I didn't look very hard.
Congrats on your GTWC ride. Well deserved! Hope we will still see you at the IMSA races this year.
"Cool my tires off in the grass a little bit" 😂 see what you did there
You see the simdriver guy who did it mid race in a real race? Commentators even knew what they were doing! Lol
@@iiiTYMEN where do I find this?
@@JohnnyHotovson seriously I need to see this too lol
@@iiiTYMEN source?
After about 500 hours in ACC i migrated to LMU in a heartbeat. Haven't really turned on ACC since. You make the point there, the car feels connected, you are IN it, not above it. That and the FFB has done it. The way the sausage kerb felt in Spa T1 just blew my mind. The second point is the car physics / crash model, where as somebody below already said, you can actually have some decent door bangin' racing without the feer of dying. The amount of times i got gently tickled in ACC to stupidly fly off the road or got into a spin ... i'm glad those times are over.
Really hope the guys get a chance to develop it further and build a full blown platform. Once they add driver swaps, the endurance racing will be really fun.
Great video though, thanks for the effort, i've been waiting for your review and am really glad it's in your good books.
This sim is awesome !!!
yeah, rFactor2 always had the best ffb and physics since the beginning in 2012, problem was, the rest of the simulator was horrible, pushing people away. if you compare rf2 now with the 2012 version, it past through a gigantic improvement in all aspects, but the name reputation is already damage, so LMU is one way they found to get rid of the name rF2. Enjoy, I see you in the track!!!
Fortunately, nowadays rf2 is more fun and complete than ever, I enjoy the new online system way too much!
@@_gm82I tried it last night but just couldn’t get passed the bad graphics. It’s a cool game though
In ACC is not connected to the car because are wrong FFB setting. Start to setting dumper at 50 in game(99% setting on UA-camrs is 0😂), rise dumper on base and interpolation at 0 and booom, a lot of details from tyre and track is here.
Over 2500 hours on ACC, I jumped into this quite pumped. At first, I dropped my play time on ACC for LMU by a LOT. But I was in the discovery phase that you describe very well. It feels good at first when you learn how to drive those cars, but then when you start pushing it gets to a place where it takes away way too much rear end grip, similar to how AMS2 feels. Funnily enough you even see the AI struggling with that, having AI LMP2s and Hypercars drifting and losing their rear end in high downforce corners...
I ended up sticking back to ACC. No it is not the perfect sim, far from it, but it clearly is (for me) the best GAME overall. It is really entertaining to race in ACC.
Same.
Sounds like Max would enjoy this game he drives with minimal rear grip anyway hahahaha
You just like to suffer together with me in ACC, Kevin... ;)
Don't you find that ACC also has quite a lot of rear end slip, when near the limit - this is compared to how real race cars on grippy tyres feel?
@@warboyrbits way more setup and car dependant in acc.
As an 11 year old GT and IMSA enthusiast, you are who I aspire to be. Thanks for the great content man! 🏎️💨
Good luck on your journey dude, hope to see you out there in the future! ✌🏻
Go for it dude. Don't become a "could've would've should've 40-year old". Do what you love and enjoy life. Oh, and invest like crazy in the S&P500. It might drop alot sometimes but you should never withdraw your money. Not until it's time to retire and live off the interest. Thank me later.
Edit: Seriously, you need to talk about this with your parents RIGHT NOW. The S&P500 has averaged 11% per year over 30 years. Google "Compound Interest Calculator" and see how rich you can become if you do some smart decisions NOW, and invest your money over four decades.
@@MatthiasNyberg Thanks for the inspiring words. Not sure about the investing yet but I appreciate the help! 👍
I'm not a pro racer, but I totally agree with your thoughts on the tyre model of iRacing vs LMU/rF2. I feel like the cars in iRacing don't move around enough, but the cars in LMU move around too much. I really wish iRacing and other racing sim devs like Studio 397 would consult with drivers like Daniel to dial in their tyre models.
Thank you Daniel, great video.
As a long time rF2 nut my experience is its all about setups to get the most out of it.
Right. My sc2 is much more raw then iracing. So that takes a lot of tweaking and more then 4 hrs per car to get it to your liking. Question is how much was that a stock setup also. I know from a gte stand point iracing vs RF2/LMU it’s a lot different feel. Iracing GTe RSR is one of my favorite cars eve as the tires are lacking.
Would love to see some of these developers work with professional racers to get feedback to help improve, adjust and develop their simulators. Who better to learn from than professional drivers who drive these cars and tracks in real life. Thanks for your feedback and insights on LMU Daniel
Thanks Dan! One thing you missed to mention is the brilliant racing you have in this game. The close battles, amazing netcode and car contacts without being dead instantly is what makes it so much fun for me to drive ❤
I actually thought the other day, "Man, imagine if Daniel made a video on this game and his thoughts." And to my surprise here it is! I've said this before but we are truly appreciative as a sim racing community to have you with your experience give us this insight as you just don't have many content creators with the background you have. That being said, I am hoping the developers are taking your critiques and the likes of other drivers to a high degree as your right, I think this title truly has the means to shake the sim market and keep developers from other titles on their toes! It'll only benefit the consumers / sim-hobbyists which I see you're all about.
Really enjoyed this. Great to have your unbiased opinion and detailed explanation. One thing I was going to mention is that a lot of people are saying that LMU is a simple rF2 reskin. After seeing remarks from the devs in the rF2 Discord about how it would be next to impossible to back-port LMU stuff to rF2 due to the changes, you really get a feel that they have made some wholesale changes between the two games. It uses the same game engine tech obviously, but its been revised beyond where rF2 is at. Since they don't need to make sure that old legacy content doesn't break like in rF2, they could finally do some new stuff they've probably been wanting to try for a long time.
Yea but they imported big bugs and lot of 3D objects and most of the menu points and the MP and the loadingtimes and for sure the FFB and physics. You know? I‘m fine with it. I think it‘s a great fresh restart of rfactor. But they have to fix the crashes to desktop and the loadingtimes and the slipangle and improve all old 3D models in order to be great.
Great video Daniel! Have you had a chance to try automobilista 2? It would be great to know your feedback on that sim. Thanks
I own all the biggest sims right now and lately I have been playing LMU exclusively. It has all what I ask for: Nice and intuitive physics, great multiplayer and great community with lots of clean racers, pretty good graphics... Some would say that it has few content but for a person like me, who does 5 to 10 online races a week, it's more than enough. Honestly, I can't ask for more. Maybe a couple more cars? Some extra circuit every now and then? Apart from bug fixes, everything else is just fine right now.
the developers said that in the future we can expect update with 2024 WEC season. So in it we will probably get LMGT3 car class ( 9 cars ) and new LMH Isotta Fraschini and LMHd cars ( BMW Lamborghini and Alpine ). And new tracks from 2024 so Losail Imola Interlagos and COTA.
For anyone who's into RL-relevant series and likes WEC, the narrow focus on that content will only be a plus. Once they enable TrackIR support, I will gladly race in LMU alongside iRacing, and then may even switch to it exclusively.
It seems very Gran Turismo 7 for the amount of help it provides, the result is that LMU is full of dogs and pigs.
When I click multiplayer, it just sits there. Does it take awhile to get into?
This sim is awesome!!!
Fantastic video and on point. Also, thanks for keeping your videos clean and profanity free, unlike many out there these days. Your maturity is appreciated.
My pleasure. Just trying to share my experience for what it is worth :)
Great to see your thoughts! I love the FFB ,driving and overall presentation of LMU already, but at first I thought there was an issue with the differential where the car just overturns and feels very light and sketchy on the apexes of corners (which you describe as the slip angle). You can see that in your video too that you seem to turn the wheel too fast and have to correct it because it turns in too quickly. I spend some time with the Aston changing all sorts of settings on the stock setup and managed to dial that out for the most part. Feels way more enjoyable this way! Also dialed in FFB and lowered it from 100 etc
In short, if you take some time to dial in both the FFB and the stock setup of these cars, the experience is excellent.
LMU hasa long waydown the road to go before start geeling ready.
Try changing steering sensitivity. I really like rF2/LMU steering sensitivity, but it's different from any other sim, where I need to increase that option in the settings.
studio397 have a bad reputation for default setups, some cars forces you to know a bit of setup to enjoy. I don't expect they change it for LMU.
Good stuff xD
Would love to hear you thoughts on other "major" racing sims like AC1 & AMS2.
Yes please!
Great review, very honest and straight to the point. Thanks!
Always love your feedback and well thought out impressions. Just started on this sim yesterday with the base version and after 3 hours I picked up the season pass. Great so far.
I really liked the D-Box coding for this sim, without any tweaking of settings, it felt great right out of the box. For an early release, this title has great promise.
RFactor tire model dev team should offer outside consultant services to iracing. Fair market value of course.
I have heard that the former ISI main physics programmer guy is now working at iRacing. I really hope he will have some major influence on coming tire model updates, this tire overheating bullsh*t has been going on for way too long, they slightly improved it once when that huge outcry happened but its still a massive problem with iRacing.
@gefx0164 inside info, it is coming and soon , currently being worked on
@@gefx0164 i quit iracing for this and also because how unforgiving they are
@@gefx0164Yeah, I noticed something being wrong with iRacing's tyres compared to other sims the first week I drove a GT3 in 2020. Now, in the back of my head in the Lamborghini, I feel like I'm always having to drive around or manage tyre temps.
After a slight slide, I feel like I must be driving on F1 Pirelli's because they have a hard time cooling down after overheating.
rfactor is the gold standard in my opinion. And their physics engine derives from rfpro, which is their commercial racing simulation software, used by actual f1 teams for their training simulations
Thank you Daniel for your analysis of a professional pilot. I hope that the developers of Studio 397 will take your comments into account in order to be as realistic as possible. Indeed, when you see people like Hoyer, everything is done by gliding to go very fast, even if it's not for everyone to have such mastery.
I play :
RF2 - Le Mans Ultimate : Asphalte, Road Race
Iracing : Rallycross, Nascar Race
ACC -AMS : it's not possible anymore it's nice it's beautiful but it's too arcade for me
D, you should give the GTE cars another shot, since in the June update they got the latest tire model (hypercars and LMP2s shipped with it). I'd love to know what you think. I'm not the fastest guy by any means but i'm decent and this platform is really ticking all the boxes for me right now. IMO successful trail braking is more intuitive/detectable in the GTEs post update. also, i think a lot of original work was done on the tire model for this title and that it's not exactly an RF2 reskin, although RF2 influence is clearly present. re: excessive slip angle phenomenon, i was watching some IRL hypercar onboards, maybe its a camera trick but i noticed how loose the rears are and how much slip angle seems to be possible, so maybe 397 are onto something.
I’ve heard that they’ve updated it all. I really want to try it again. I thought it was very promising to begin with and it was only a pre-release version of the game. I’m sure it’s going to be amazing now.
@@danielmoradit’s pretty good the new model, the only complaint is the lack of ffb in slow speed corners but the slip angle has been reduced significantly. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts
Hi Daniel, I need a little clarification from you here. When you say you want them to fix the rear slip angles is it that
a) LMU rear tires need MORE grip so they aren't slipping as much?
b) LMU rear tires should have a steeper fall off on grip so that rather than let you slide and recover, you spin out and crash iRacing style by going over the limit?
c) Something else....
Simply adding more grip will not fix the issue, it'll just "hide" the issue more due to simply having more overall grip. This issue, and certain other ones regarding vehicle behaviour/action and vehicle reaction during rear oversteer - especially under power - and relative to driver steering & throttle inputs/modulation are due to the underlying physics engine and tyre model the game runs on. It can even be traced back to before the RF2 / LMU physics engine & tyre model, all the way back to the first ISI physics engined games even before RF1, like, for eg., F1C99-02 (although the issues are certainly not AS bad as in those very early games). The underlying physics engine and underlying tyre model in Netkar Pro and Live for Speed are, by far, the best when it comes to this overall area of vehicle behaviour & reaction (driver control and how the vehicle behaves & responds to steering & throttle inputs during rear-oversteer especially rear-power-oversteer).
"If iRacing and rFactor 2 had a baby it would be a perfect specimen" 😂 very true. With the FFB I think all sims are too direct because they don't model all of the flex and play in the chassis. In your hotlap you look to be overdriving the car a fair bit. I don't know how much success you're getting in the weekly races driving like that but it tends to be a bit slower than being smooth. I have definitely found moments where I thought I was going to lose the car but I caught it. But I don't think it's actually fast driving like that. Especially with it being endurance racing, your tyres would be toast.
I thought you were on point with this video really. For context I play mostly iRacing with a little rF2. But since LMU came out I've spent most of my time doing online races. I've played and enjoyed ACC in the past, but it's not my favourite. Same for AC and R3E. Driving dynamics aside, I like the attention to series specific details in LMU. Plus things like being able to roll through the paddock, having to take care in the pits, the marshal post light boards which actually work. The pit exit lights that actually work. Even the starting lights that actually work. There's many elements I wish iRacing would pick up. Elements that are maybe not important in a game, but make a difference if you have track experience.
I disagree. I don't see iRacing as being good at all. The only thing iRacing does well is online races & ovals.
@@geehammer1511 Iracing does heaps of things great don't be that guy
@@deanwannell6613 what? Don't be that guy who has an opinion on something?
@@deanwannell6613 Yeah true, I find the sim tribalism a bit tiring really. I play iRacing, rF2 and LMU. Would probably play others if I had some more time. There's plenty of good options and no need to make it like the one ring to rule them all. I like iRacing for the community. I like rF2 for the way it feels (to me) of being on track. None are perfect though.
Thank you Dan! I like the fact that the braking is not so different to iRacing, so i dont get any mishaps from playing LMU and then jump back in Iracing. Hope to see you doing some more vids from this, im really enjoying it also...
Great to hear your opinions. Valuable insights. Try comparing SP to MP with a lot of cars and tell us your thoughts if you feel any differences.
Since LMU is out I didn't race in ACC. The feeling of the car is more connected to the road , it feels more correct compared to ACC.. Force feedback better than acc, breaking, collision model is way better, you can have wheel to wheel fights with a bit touchy, touchy without dying. The sound we don't have to talk about it, it's the best sounding sim.... I hope they make more process to have a really nice simulation on the marked....
I don’t think it’s the best sounding sim. Personally. There’s plenty of versions of those cars in other sims that are on par. But I do think it’s the most consistent.
Play rf2 its the same since years
The sound OF THE CARS is great, but that's it. The game has no way to control or filter different sounds like ACC does.
The sound?We keep hearing the same exact peble hitting the bottom of the car after you go off track,and the sound doesnt change neither with the speed of the car or,the size of different pebles? lol The AI its just Artificial,no intelingence at all!!!And not to forget that even having a pc way above the game recommended system requirements,need to reduce a lot of crap just to make it playable!And how about the laggy menu or the huge download times?
@@guido69x no issue with the menu 🤷🤷
I use rFactor 2 and as soon as they develop the VR mode for LMU, I will use this as well. I tried both iRacing and Assetto Corsa Competizione and, from what my perception is, rFactor 2 is what really makes me feel like I'm driving a real race car.
I’m 17 and striving to become a GT factory driver fulltime, I’m on console right now playing GT7 and ACC, your videos have helped me so much on perfecting my driving and helping me with qualifying I’ve never been really good with qualifying, my main goal right now is IMSA, I love everything about IMSA and endurance racing, thank you for helping me and loads of other people!!
Bruhhh .. delusional
I’m starting to believe I’m becoming an experienced sim racer bc all of the things you mentioned in the different sims I’ve always been thrown off by like ACC’s braking, Rfactor and lemans ultimates slippery rear.and Iracings sensitive tires to heat in the tires all of these things throw me off just a little bit in each sim. But I’ve found Iracing to be the most detailed in my opinion just when it comes to the throttle,braking and steering it’s so detailed and I feel like I can balance and feel the car
Glad to see somebody confirming what I've been thinking all the time. The rear is just a bit too unstable, the rest feels good. Tbh I think the LMP2 and the Porsche 963 come a lot closer to what it probably should be in terms of rear end grip. But the GTEs are extremely sensitive, especially in slow corners - try driving on Fuji in a GTE for more than 20 minutes on the same tire set and the last sector will become an endless game of countersteering twice per second while managing throttle input one millimeter of pedal travel at a time.
Thanks for the constructive feedback. You make some super valid points. The slip angle remark is correct, however in longer stints you’re punished for driving like that. Still, something for the devs to work on. Also, try the LMP2, I think the tire model is better than the GTEs
Man I just love Daniels room its just so cool. Seems like a awesome place to just hang out as well
I love hanging out in it. There’s something so calming about the room. I think that the black walls and ceiling really make it feel like it never starts or ends. You are just calm there.
Also you can do the old rF2 "cheat" and put the tire PSI as low as possible and put the differential preload to maximum. It makes it way more stable, its kind of a workaround on the physics system if you could call it that.
Cool, I'll try that next time I play. Never played rf2 so idk the tricks yet.
nope, the PSI is limited to 140 minimal on setup, which is more on par with real life, years ago you could reach 90 PSI in some cars in rFactor2.
@ebeninca doesn't matter what the PSI is, the main thing is just to go to the setup and turn down the PSI as low as it'll go. Then turn the differential preload to the max that it'll let you. I've always done that with rF2 and had good results.
Is it a "cheat" if they do it irl? F1 teams running lowest TP theyre allowed to
Considering the game's default setting is minimum tyre pressure why is this an issue? lol
Tire physics in LMU are different from rF2, rF2 are even more forgiving but they feel more "natural". This new tire model apparently solves the drifting meta (lowest rear wing and no rear arb) of rF2, but it's not finished apart from the Hypercars from what they said in the discord. You could try the GTEs in rF2 in Spa, all official content, to understand it.
rf2 Guy since 2016 with over 1500h on it, i tried all other sims and drove also about 2 years on iracing in diffrent leagues, but the feeling and smile that rf2 and now LMU gives me is unreached by the other sims
I agree, iracing lack of yaw and rf2/LMU more yaw is something to get use to. The feel of in the text is much better then iracing. I know my sc2 pro settings are quite different between the two, more raw with rf2 and there more feelings there the iracing. Iracing you can’t hustle the car and even the hustling a race car doesn’t always means fast there’s times when it necessary and iracing you end up burning your tires up quickly or the death ☠️ spin
Mate your setup is insane 🤯
I think it's a pretty good start point for this sim, we will see where they are able to arrive... Thank you Dan
Hi Daniel, thank you for your awesome work in the simracing community ! Now i have a request for you that i really would love to see you do, i feel like raceroom is one of the most overlooked sim at the moment. Would really appriciate if you made a video on it and share your thaughts on the realism, funfactor etc.
Keep up the awesome work man! And if you ever come to Sweden let me know, would be so awesome to see you taking my Oreca viper around some swedish tracks!
Yayayayay my two favorite things The Danile Morad and Le Mans ultimate
Can you look into Automobilista 2?
I've been enjoying it and with the new IMSA partnership, i'd like to hear opinions
to me AMS2 wins in terms of realism feel, physics, etc. but it's necessary to decrease LSD clutch plates to 2, on pretty much all cars.
Sad to disappoint, but AMS2 is a simulator of simulation. Fun game to show drunk or imaginary friends. Beautiful in VR too, but even more ungly simulation of simulation shines through. AC2 will eat it for first breakfast of early access.
@@paolomontresor8874 Are you having a laugh , it's an awful driving model , and I've given up on it now ...........
I think a good setup for your wheelbase and a good setup for your specific car can make a huge diference in terms of feeling in any sim and i think this is what you are missing here.
Another great video dude! Would love to hear your opinion on AMS2, they just released their own endurance pack with new GT3 and hybrid cars. I personally love the sim for VR and love what the devs are doing but literally can’t stand the physics. If you think rf2 is drifty, you haven’t seen anything 😂
There are people in these comments praising the physics of GT cars in ams2. Can you believe that? They are live cartoons.
@@snappedbydan OMG.....AMS 2 really does have the worst physics , and for me it's the front end skating and sliding all over the place !! Don't bother with it anymore ...........
Wonderful video thank you. It'd nice to have also you views about rain in rF2/LMU, especially regarding iRacing new rain feature.
;)
iRacing is trash tho
I think LeMans needs some recognition for some great sounds and track art. The tracks look so much more alive than in iRacing.
Thanks for doing the Daniel! Been wanting to hear your true honesty thoughts before I purchased.
I'am pretty sure the sleep angle problem is caused by the lack of setup. You should try it with a good setup. The experience will be completely diferent
I feel like LMU made the tyres a bit peakier, which is an improvement over rF2's overly wallowy tires, but now the cars are more prone to snapping without warning, especially considering you still need to aggressively chuck the car into the turn as you mentioned in the video.
No sim is perfect and this type of constructive feedback is what will change these games for the better. It's a shame how some people are really stubborn towards criticism of their favourite game, Raceroom's my favourite driving experience but I can acknowledge its physics still has issues, we need to be critical of these issues if we don't want our favourite games to stagnate in mediocrity.
I thought exactly the same thing. The slip angle really catches me off guard as I’m used to iRacing. I feel like I can’t fully push the car to the limit compared to other sims
There were big talks about how S397 had their tires way too much enjoying large slip angles. We were taling a lot about that several years ago. After that they improved the tires massively. But perhaps they are still a little bit lacking the sense of being planted and enjoying to stay being planted. In my mind bigger problem is likely not slip angle, but longitudinal slip lacking, or could be both. As cars are accelerating/decelerating longitudinal slip adds with slip angle (traction citcle thing). Besides that there could also be aerodynamic yaw angle sensitivity....
I was waiting for months for your review, I'm glad that your opinion is same as mine. Spot on. When you start chasing laptimes and be competitive the rear steer driving behavior really upset me. I hope they will fix it or it will die as RF2 mod, at least for me.
I kind of agree to the slipangle thing.. but only kind of... it is a bit hard to explain because it is a combination of differend things... it is true you can get away with a bit too much slip angle without realy loosing time.. maybe even gain a little bit here and there.. but most of the time you are better of without using too much slipangle... mostly you are a bit faster without going to excessive slipangles... and keep it more in shape.. just a bit of slip.. a bit of rotation but not too much.. again like I said you can get away with too much (and in some corners benefit from it) ... but it is a very delicate balance/window... which I realy enjoy... and what I realized.. people who do use excessive slipangles.. they might be fast for a few laps.. but they are shredding their tyres... when you drive a bit more "normal" you can keep up with them in a race.. and after a few laps you see how they start to struggle... and are soon dropping 1-2 seconds per lap..
as example.. I had a race at spa.. qualified 3rd.. the first few laps.. they got a tiny bit away with very aggressive driving style... but I could keep up more or less with a more normal driving style... or more normal rotation... after a few laps they got realy into trouble with the tyres and I had it easy... I ended the race winning with almost 20 seconds in the lead... with only a slight dropoff in time..
however I don't know what the real fast pace is there.. I drove in the 2.15s with the GTEs and in the 2.05s with the lmp2 ... if it can go much faster then that.. maybe my statement it completly wrong.. but it felt like you can get quite good laptimes without using excessive slipangles
so yes I agree there seems to be a bit too much slipangle with what you still can get good laptime.. and maybe it should be slower if you use such slipangles.. and it feels like you need such slipangles to be fast at the beginning.. but as soon as you find the feel and balance for the window.. you realize you don't need it at that extreme to find the time... and like I said it does kill the tyres rapidly when going with those excessive slipangles.
so if they can fix that excessive slipangle amount without compromising the rest of the tyre I would be very happy ofcourse.. but if it needs to be there so there is some kind of headroom, it is also ok for me... because of the above reasons...
the example in blanchimont where the rear suddenly starts to be quite loose... yes I don't know if it's the tyre or the setup.. if it is the tyre then yeah.. maybe it shouldn't be that sensible... but if it is because of a quite front biased aero setup or so.. I could understand it... I think it is more the setup.. because if you go very soft on the steering input and just give the car the hint to go left there... it doesn't get unstable.. and just drives through it normaly (which is faster btw)..
it just seems to be quite pointy in terms of setup.
but yes I know rf2 is quite forgiving in terms of slipangle.. and likes rotation alot.
however for me LMU is the best sim outthere for me at the moment.. in terms of feeling and immersion... the feel on the brake is amazing.. you can somehow feel exactly what is happening... through the visual, feeling and also audio cues....it just feels natural
the audio is absulutely amazing in LMU I think... best sounding sim outthere I think.
I play mostly iRacing but I do have LeMan’s Ultimate installed. After watching your video I plan on taking another look at it. Thanks for the review.
Great summary about rf2 engine, and fair point, but one part you didn't mention in the video we might curious about is how the hypercars feeling and working (especially compare to iracing), because GTE is sadly dead, lmgt3 will be dlc for LMU later this year, the most special part is hypercars and we're much curious about how you think of it. Yep you're gt driver haha but that point will make a step up for this video❤❤❤
Daniel, slip angle abuse was an RF2 thing many years ago, now if you abuse it you'll pay it in the long run so, maybe it's useful for just an hotlap or maybe first laps of a sprint race.
Also you can manage the rotation with setup change and driving style.
About FFB, it's the only thing we can use to "feel the car" if it's too much you need to decrease ffb, on my SC2Pro I have 100% on truedrive and 18% on Rf2 car specific FFB and around 25% on LMU FFB and I can feel everything without "fighting" the FFB force.
Hope you make more racing sim comparisons. Including pricing etc… thanks!
I think that there are so many others who can shape that stuff. I try to share my skill set which is knowing what feels real. But I could def squeeze that stuff in
@@danielmorad that’s the best part is your professional driver’s opinion of what platform is the most immersive and realistic! Thank you! I will keep watching!
Thanks for that great review!
You also gave some help .
Hopefully it will also come to PS5 , people are gonna love this .
One thing Ive noticed on the lmp2 is to get the front end to bite/get rotation on corner entry you really need to use a little brake. In iracing or even an AC1 mod the front end is still super strong even coasting/off throttle. Maybe its a setup thing but it seems very off. Also the rear is super lively on throttle.
I've been waiting for this video for weeks :) Thank you very much Daniel!
That’s exactly my take on the tires as well. I never drove a car on the limit before on slicks but that felt a little bit off. IRacing still is the most intuitive drive for me.
I think a lot of it just depends on what you've driven the most, you end up adapting to the sim. I did iRacing for years, let my sub lapse, then drove rF2 mostly for a couple of years. Resubbed to iRacing and I have to say I was shocked how lifeless it felt compared to rF2. In rF2, I have so much more feeling of being connected to the road and more information about what the car is doing.
Great Job! Next in the Line Race Room Racing Expierience? - Since the Sim recieved an complete new Tyremodel this Winter. I would love to hear your opionion on FFB and Braking in RaceRoom. :) - Greetings from germany
After a lot of hours in many sims through the years I'm settled in Raceroom and I'm not going anywhere else. I know this is not a common opinion but RR It's just the best and most fun of them all. I'd like to hear his opinion on it as well.
I'd like to see this too. RR has by far the best tyre physics of any of the sims imho
I think I got a concussion from that hit 6:55 😂
And it happened during the braking section 😂
Thx
The tire is my biggest complaint about this sim too. The rear especially feels a little wrong. I haven't played it since like the 2nd day it came out so I'm hoping down the line they make an improvement there. iRacing is still my preferred sim not just because I think it feels better, but because of the competitiveness of the drivers. Hopefully the sim gets these improvements and the player base rises. At the moment, there's only an average of just under 800 drivers with a peak of a little over 2,000. That small player base is going to make lobbies have big skill gaps between drivers and that wouldn't be any fun.
iRacing has also a slip angle issue. You can drive certain cars extremely aggressiv and it feels more like a drifting challenge than actual driving. The only difference is, when you drive like that you are really really quick in iRacing but the terrible tire model counter that really hard. You can drive like that maybe 5min before your tires overheating and you driving on ice.
Slip angle? I get the tire part of it, if a tire is pointing, 12 o clock, then the difference where the tire is pointing and the surface its traveling on is measured in degrees, but the sim is oversteery basically?
Shout out to the barber who did your fade.. looking nice 😎!!
I've been waiting for an rF2 review forever, I think you should still do it just for your opinion on the GT3 cars with ABS. Not that it would be hugely different, but hey why not it's free content for you.
Would love to try it.. been using iracing , haven’t tried ACC or R Factor yet.. very informative as what to experience, what to look for as I get into sim
This is an awesome helpful video, by far the best review on youtube.. what sort of camera are you recording with that's above your head pointing at the screens and what fps settings do you have it set to record with.. cheers mate
Thanks a lot!! I have a Sony a5100 overhead :). 60fps on the camera and 144 in game
@@danielmorad Thank you for the quick reply, i may need to look into this camera as I'm currently using a go pro 9 for recording my races on my sim rig but I find anything over 60 fps on it makes it look dull and abit dark
When will gloves be restocked on the website? Wanted to get some of the Classic Red Gloves in Sm with my name on them but the custom name and flag option made it out of stock despite the glove being in size... I'm ready to order baby! I know things aren't shipping until 4/15 because of your next race, so good luck to you and the team!
I find iRacing more transferible to real life tbh. I always end going really far in terms of slip angle in order to be fast here. iRacing has a lot to improve but, with no real race car experience, LMU feels a bit worse to me. The slip angle thing breaks my inmersion and makes me feel that I am on a simcade (which is ultimately not true at all).
Thanks for the video.
I was waiting for this review. I've been enjoying this game a lot lately. They have updated it and improved it quite a bit. Still room to improve,but I agree with the drifting aspect of it. How did you get racelabs to work with LMU?
**Early Access** I think it's easy to forget LMU is still Early Access. Thanks for the video!
It's good to hear some positive feedback about this game. I've used Rfactor 2 in the past, mostly setting up AI races. I hope this game keeps the momentum it's on. I'm considering buying it as a substitute for weeks when iRacing has less than desirable car-track combos.
I think you've raised a very interesting and important point that many people overlook, which is the details about force feedback (FFB). Indeed, almost everyone feels that the FFB in RF2 (LMU) is much better than in iRacing, providing more information and feedback, and I share this sentiment as well. However, I often ponder a question: could it be that in real-world racing, steering wheels don't convey as much detail as we experience in LMU? Could it be that iRacing's somewhat bland and slightly ambiguous FFB is actually closer to the real car feeling?
for example, looking at an ultra-high-resolution photo, where even the pores on a person's face are visible. Indeed, more information and detail are present, but in real life, our naked eyes can't perceive those things, so it actually becomes less realistic.
Agree with your review. Pretty good feeling but too much oversteery/snappy/drift simulator for the moment, especially with GTE and LMP2. Hypercars feels more neutral but traction is a bit low
I would love to hear what you, Daniel, think about Automobilista 2 and how „real“ it feels.
Need the classic Lemans start where you start out in the hallway and race to the sim and start the car.
i hope a lot you watching drivers noticed, that Daniel left the pits and let another car pass on minute 2:25 which was on a flying lap to avoid, that he runs at you within Eau Rouge. Great move, even when its an KI driver coming. Hope some remember you because there are a lot of people are outside on the virtual tracks which go out with cold tyres and fight against drivers on a flying lap. So this is what a race driver separates from stupid crash kids! ;-)
I have to agree the slip angles need to be fixed. But as the other gentleman said too in ams2 as well. The question is though is how long will it take to fix it?? Thank you for doing this video hopefully the right people will get to see it.
I was always a massive RFactor 2 fan but was annoyed that you couldn't jump in a public lobby. Loving LMU as that side of it is still there. There are physics differences as mainly drive the Aston GTE and couldn't drive the Porsche on RF2 but now mainly use the Porsche as prefer it over the Aston. Overall, great sim 👍
I feel the same way you do. I also think the rear wheel slip is too big, but I'm not a racing driver, so up until now I thought it was supposed to be.
FFB is different for GTE, LMP2 and Hypercars. In Hypercars I have to set 100% of the FFB force, and still the car doesn't feel good.
Using the Dempsey-Proton car at the start, liking you more Morad lol!
How can you NOT mention the incredible immersive onboard engine sound as the very first thing! 😬 That sound is SO important for full immersion imho. That’s what makes you feel IN the car combined with great physics and FFB. The sound also tells you a lot about what the car does. There is so much detail in LMU sounds that it definitely needs a mention! 🙏🏼
It was so easy to setup all you need is Dan Suzuki and 1000 people in your stream. Super easy… 😂
Everything is spot-on.
I cancelled my iRacing subscription because it was getting too expensive for the amount of overall fun it provided, and started on LMU as my main sim.
All races are fun, I don't have to learn tons of tracks, there's the Peugeot 9X8 and hopefully the Lambos soon. More importantly we don't feel like we're driving on eggshells like in iRacing, which also makes low-level races cleaner and more enjoyable.
Yes, seeing an LMP2 record on Bahrain where it drifted on all sharp turns wasn't a good surprise but if I had to choose (which I did) I would prefer more slip angle than not enough.
out of all, the sounds facinating
Would you mind sharing your thoughts on FFB settings and what would be most realistic for both the GT cars and LMPs?
Right now, I'm kind of a LMU guy for now,. It's completely different than anything from the feeling of ACC. I will still absolutely play iRacing, but I'm just enjoying myself with this for a bit.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Raceroom if you're ever game to try that sim. They recently updated their tire model focusing on slip angle. I've never driven a real racecar so no idea how realistic it is.
your setup is so nice and comfy
Thanks a lot
Always like to watch your videos. I do wish you sucess in the utube medium, the quality of content you deliver way further than the amount of subs you have, the number should be much bigger. Keep going.
Would love to hear you thoughts on the tire model from the original Assetto Corsa. Could it be the iracing / Rf2 baby you're looking for?
I love LMU, good to see some good feedback for the developers. Game has great potential. The online is amazing (or can be if you avoid some beginner classes)
Le Mans Ultimate allows me to feel the limits of the car with more detail than iRacing. Only hope they release more content for it (update for season 2024).
I just wanna know what he thinks about AC or AMS2
Nice Feedback!!! BTW wich wheel you are using on this video ?