I agree. It isn't photorealism by any stretch but it removes some more of the obvious video game distractions some more and just helps you slip into immersion to the next level. Now when your focused in and racing you definitely can forget your playing a game
I love it. I had stopped playing when I knew about the PS5 Pro coming and had my fingers crossed that reprojection can be removed and they did !!! I love it now. I don’t care about some flaws here and there that I don’t even notice. No more ghosting/reprojection!!!! Amazong
Tried on my new ps pro and can't go back. The reprojection thing is a big deal. I just realized how bad it was when i switch back to a normal ps5 to compare the two consoles.
AC actually has a new mod that makes it look a lot like GT7. Lol. Even adds the HUD to it as well. When i watched itbI thought the guy was trying to fool us with GT7 footage, but I was able to spot the differences in AC tracks vs GT7. Wonder if mods on a 2D screen also affect VR. If so, that'd be really cool.
@@andreasmoller9798 uh? So you talking about base AC? because AC is older than GT7 that’s why I’m comparing it with shaders, AC with shaders looks so much better than GT7 there’s no point in comparing them due to the high difference in graphics where AC wins by far
I wonder if the Pro fixes the amount of headlights that are effective at night. Usually only the player's headlights are effective and every other car wouldn't have working headlights whether it's how they don't cast shadows or they don't cast lights on the road.
GT7 is never coming to PC, not because of cheaters but because of their Car models. Anybody would be able to stole them and build a mod or even a full game with the insane GT7 insane car details.
@@MasDouc Actually nah that low fps reflection was really weird, like, why not just lower quality but 60 fps instead, it can be very distracting and immersion breaking
@@MasDouc you do when it's in such a stark contrast to everything else in front of your eyes. Maybe your eyesight is incredibly poor. Wouldn't surprise me.
The new reprojection is way better and higher LOD in the distance. Less pop in. But overall in terms of visual there isn’t a huge difference in the pro.
There's 0 graphicsl improvement, it's just headset runs native FPS than upscaled ones using methods like ASW or Reprojection or other means which causes visual issues.
@ do you have the set or are you judging from youtube. If you have a psvr2 and a pro and you cant tell a difference then either you didnt play much gt7 on ps5 with psvr2 or you havent setup your psvr2 well enough. I am not the only one claiming this… literally everyone sees a big upgrade.
My Thrustmaster T300 + Wheel Stand Pro V2 + IKEA Poäng are very happy with this 💟 Already got slap-on subscribtion lenses at an VR Optician so I don't have to wear glasses or contacts. Amazing times we live in!
I was so excited last night seeing that they finally gave us the 92 escort cossie! Not gonna lie i could have done without the jimny or the 20 million Honda racecar.
For doing comparison videos on GT7, it helps to create a saved replay, then whatever you load it on, all the conditions, effects and cars are identical. For the more detailed comparisons make use of the free walk option of photo mode and try and match your footage up as best you can. (Albeit, you're right, you can't get the VR view outside of the original gameplay recording, but this is a good way to capture the flat view comparisons).
Why is there no raytracing in VR? Did you have it turned off? I thought the pro does support ray tracing in VR.
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Amazing video man, great job, great comparison. One question, how did you record the VR2 footage to be so clear? Whenever I try to record the gameplay, it always looks kinda grainy, like it's very low quality, no matter if I start recording beforehand or save recent gameplay, it's nowhere near what you show here? Do you use some capture card or record replays somehow or... ? Many thanks!
Love my PS5 Pro with PSVR2 on GT7. FWIW I have a RTX4090 system which runs Forza Motorsport in native 4K everything maxed out. Forza doesn’t even come close to be honest, not to mention it doesn’t even have any VR support
Sadly, VR as a whole seems to be on the decline. Few big developers are going all in, and even Sony feels like it’s holding back. META has secured a lot of exclusive deals, and most new games are being developed for standalone Quest devices, I’d call that the 'mobile VR experience.' What VR really needs is for some major players to step in and push the industry forward.
That’s it, i'm gonna get the ps5pro. GT7 on PSVR2 is my absolute favorite VR game, and if the pro makes it even better...i'm in! 🤩 Only thing is that the discdrive isn't available here for normal prices atm..
@@MasDoucgot the ps5pro, installed gt7, played on PSVR2 and I am impressed! The blur because of fast movement is gone, it's clearer and it has a better, rock-solid framerate! This game is awesome in VR..
If not for absolutely needing a disc drive due to how many games i have via disc id have pulled the trigger and traded my ps5 in. Gt7 on vr2 is pretty much all i play in vr nowadays. When the disc drive version goes on sale I'll bite but for now the current version on base ps5 is good enough.
I played my first gran turismo on psvr2 for the first time yesterday.... And after all the flat screen stuff, i was thrown in to a car... AND WOW... the mirrors worked, everything was the right size... Only thing that ruined it was not having a wheel
Can you tell me more about that experience ? I'm disappointed with Forsa Motorsport and I'm looking for GTR7 in VR but I also won't have space for a wheel. How is the experience with the controller? Is it that bad?
Im curious how the" Ford GT Race Car "18" looks at night with raytracing. I always love seeing those blue lights it has towards the back under whatever that part is called. Would you be able to show that? That car looks great. FM version of that car is a little different and does not look as good. Wish it had the lights to go with it in FM. Another thing FM does not do, is those reflective number decals don't redlect. They do in GT7 though.
Thank you for this very interesting video, if I switch to the PlayStation Pro and exclusively for VR and Gran Turismo, then you confirm that the improvement is there and it is evident
I wonder if in VR, is the vision frame same as we see in video or you see more around when you constantly look forward. I mean in video when you look forward you need to turn your head to see the mirrors. With VR is it already there or the frame is still limited?
need help guys: on PS5 pro ray tracing enabled and PSSR as well. with 120hz input looks a lot crispier even though doesn’t have car reflection. but with it off it has car reflections but looks grainy im I missing something
@@AutomotiveVP I just don't get why Sony isn't pushing for more first/third party flight/racing sims compatible with PSVR2. It's the ONE genre that sells VR the most. I hate having my console for just one game. Hope Sony makes more. Even Drive club VR was amazing. Just...something different
It's a big improve in some things, specially in VR. Cockpit ligths effects, reflections, and sharpness are now WAY BETTER. BUT there are few things that looks worse after the patch. Maybe is because the image sharpness, but you can see more edges and worse anti-aliasing now, and pixelated particles (smoke, spray, etc). BUT The thing I hate is that carpaint and materials effects looks now much more plain depending on the light. Sun/lights glare is now totally plain, at least over metallic/pearl paints. You can see this efect especially in the tunels at night. The effect the light produce on the paint, and how plain the colors look now. There are other details here and there like darker image in some tracks/situations also.
Well, this is one of the best comparions for GT7 - thanks man! Also in night races on PS5 in some places shadow cast from all cars headlights, and in some places no any single shadow. On PS5 Pro - same?
It's still incredibly clear on base PS5. If you actually set it up and get it aligned right before using it, it's really clear. Not saying the Pro doesn't make it better, but I think some people are downplaying how well the base PS5 PSVR2 looks in GT7. It's one of the best looking games in VR in my opinion and is still very clear.
@@joesciviche’s not talking about lens sweetspot but ghosting from reprojection. Completely fixed on the pro in the new positional reprojection mode you turn on in the menu. No ghosting around bends or looking out windows, everything feels more solid and real now.
I watched many PS5 Pro clips from GT7 yesterday and I'm surprised by how much of the game is ray traced. It's not just the cars. It's also the roads, walls, buildings, maybe every surface in the game. Even without ray tracing every surface in the game is already reflective to some extent, like all the tarmac on every track in the game. This is realistic, as even the most rough surface in life reflects light to some extent. This is why the visual impact of the ray tracing is greater than expected. The game was already doing an excellent job approximating the effect of ray tracing through simpler means. But with the real thing done in real time, it subtly makes the whole scene look more cohesive and correct, at any time of day. Because the reflective properties are always active, even at day and in the dry. But like I said, the game already simulates these effects and renders materials better than any other game even without ray tracing, so I'm not surprised if you'll happily play in VR without ray tracing instead.
I think this game, FFVII Rebirth and Stellar Blade are my biggest reasons to get this console. I love how the new reflections look in the PS5 Pro, however, I'm still not willing to support a 700 dollar console without a disc drive. Also, some games have problems in the PRO, such as Silent Hill 2. I think I'll wait for the PS6, or if the PS5 Pro gets a disc version with a discount maybe I'll get it.
@@Evilkingus Agreed. I wore glasses when I first got mu VR2, and ended up with scratches on the lenses of the headset. I was not the only one. Sony repaired FoC for me, luckily, and I ordered a set of VR Optician prescription lenses. No more worries.
@@MasDouc I have had psvr2 since launch it has worked fine for me so explain to me how sharing my experience is a lie? So everyone who disagrees with you is a liar got it.
@@MasDouc yeah and I said it’s not uncomfortable and works fine and you called me a liar grow up people can have opinions I use my VR at least once a week and I don’t even notice my glasses are on
I see a massive difference 0:40 look at the speedometer and how it lights up the interior of the car. In general interior lighting is 10 times better than it was before (it was already really good).
@@MasDouc Luckily there are many games where the visual difference is night and day so if you don't like this upgrade maybe one of the other 5 dozen upgrades will.
I know it will take some time but PS5 vs PS5P side by side PSVR2 comparison would go a long way in helping me decide to upgrade or not.... pleeeeeeease!?!?!?! 😂
Hes not really a "tech" guy. More of a gamer. So for him, he speaks based on his impression thats why he says "it looks better, sharper, smoother". If you want a more technical analysis, just wait couple of days for digital foundry.
There is, already been confirmed by John at digital foundry. And we should see a video about it soon, you see many people claiming differences, if their was nothing to it, there would be just one or two people behind it but thats clearly not the case
So if I want gt7 with ray tracing I have to spend 600 or 700£ when I've already spent 500£ to purchase a PS5 that already has a ray tracing technology incorporated and it was promised to deliver new generation games with ray tracing technology!!!!
To be fair, i got a computer with a GPU that cost 300%+ more then a PS5 pro and its a nvidia GPU. I usually run with 0 raytracing because its to demanding and gives very little value for the performance it eats from your system. The most demanding games on PC like black myth wukong, Alan wake 2 and some more cant even run everything on max with raytracing at 4k with hogh fps and that card is like 2000€ in my country
@@alebaler haha are you a litle dumb hmm! My Rtx 4060ti (418$)!!!! My complete Pc with i7 and this Card and with 32 GB Ram and with SSD and Mouse and Keyboard....973$!!!!!!!!! and i can Play with Ultra Settings and Raytracing or the better Pathtracing.....and i have 80-230 Fps by the Games !!!!!!! PS5 PRO IS TRASH FOR THIS PRICE!!!!! WELCOME IN 2024 Buddy 🤣😘
@@Wyn3e Of course in 1440p, because we're still talking about an Rtx 4060ti and not an Rtx 4090 and a price of just $418!!!! I run Cyberpunk 2077 with the highest graphics settings, and patch tracing is also activated. The game only runs at 58-75 fps, but that's because of the mods I use. Now you can imagine how other games perform on my PC, because they don't need as many resources as Cyberpunk 2077! As a reminder, my complete PC only cost $973 and is used on a 55 inch TV, which the graphics card also has to manage! And with the Pc you can not only play games like on a Ps5 Pro! So Ps5 Pro costs 699$ and that without drive and a stand and the Pc is then 273$ more expensive but with more power and application features, any smart person would then save a month more money and reach for the Pc. And yes, I can sit comfortably on the couch with a controller in my hand without having to sit stiffly at a PC table! I'll link you to my mod for Cyberpunk 2077 below, I got it from the site so you can get an idea of what the Pc can do with the right hardware and software configuration. Whether you believe me or not is up to you, but since you have been using Pc for years you should know what is possible if you buy and combine the Pc components correctly. ua-cam.com/video/90oVkISQot8/v-deo.htmlsi=oMh0u_1Xjh7KjGCS
If VR pretty is so great then why have they not added to the UI in the car to know the drivers, car intervals and pit stops with this update??? This is what needs to be fixed. This would have been the perfect time to do this with the better graphics. I race in VR too and ever since the psvr2 was released they have done absolutely nothing to improve it! Graphics mean nothing right now.
ACE needs to deliver a good VR experience. No PC racing game has fully optimized, smooth VR performance in the genre, and it’s badly needed. I love ACC and AMS2, but their VR implementation is just so poor.
OKOK !! i understand what you'r talking about.. but wait, for double the price ? (yes BlackFriday PS5 digital 379€) Sorry bro, but i don"t pay double just for a better reflexion... i spend my money on a PSVR2 for 399 !!! right NOW ... yeassssss !!!
Sony stated the base PS5 has quality/fidelity mode with compromised frame rate but with PS5 pro you have the fidelity mode and performance mode combined. So when people are comparing PS5 FM vs PS5pro Pro mode they're going to look the same only that the pro has the better frame rate. So why are people trying to compare apples to apples? So the only comparison is the frame rate ok and maybe the resolution but overall the only real improvement is the frame rate in quality mode features.
Not true. Some games are like that while others have added on more graphical enhancements in their quality modes on Pro. Ray tracing during racing in GT7 is only on the PRO. Dead rising also has ray traced reflections on pro that are not on ps5.
WTF Polyphony..a massive downgrade to the non-VR mode in visuals when using PSSR in the Pro... everything becomes aliased, shimmering and blurry compared to the old version on base PS5 which actually looks better. Ni wonder it wasn't available when the Pro launched because it would of negatively impacted launch sales and preorders had we known about this
@MisterReen there's a clear hit to visual quality when using ray-tracing or PSSR. I've been playing it on my Pro and base PS5 back to back since the new update. The ray-tracing is barely noticeable during gameplay and not worth the visual downgrade elsewhere. It looks good in photo mode when your not actually moving or playing but I didn't buy a $700 console to take pictures
That's also the reason the ones claiming PSSR will be game changer for VR should get knowledge before claiming things. PSSR will be worse thing to happen to VR
The Pro is obviously great because its upgraded hardware allows GT7 to have full RT on gameplay. But it costs more than the Base and Slim PS5s and it does not have a Disc Drive that you’d have to buy it separately. It’d be a funny thing to call the PS5 Pro a “Pro Digital Edition”. I know, Sony should’ve provided a Disc version for the PS5 Pro so there won’t be a need to buy a Disc drive separately. People would mostly recommend a normal PS5 just because it has a Disc drive, and is less expensive than the Pro. The normal PS5 hardware made GT7’s RT restrict to Menus, Replays, and Scapes only. Pretty sure that it wouldn’t sound too special as the full RT and higher Frame rates on gameplay is the only minor difference. Speaking of the game’s Ray Tracing, the only thing that holds me back is the Window glass materials do not reflect the car’s own Side mirrors when RT is enabled. That happened ever since GT7 released 2 years ago. Either way, the game looks incredible with or without RT. Whatever is your preference which console version you want, just take your pick and enjoy. I don’t want to take others’ enjoyment away. Or if you have a base PS4, PS4 Slim, it PS4 Pro, it’s fine too. 🙂
Its crazy the over this gets for 20 fps on back ground stuff and an the fact that these are small details you wont ever see while you are racing 😂😂. It doesnt make a whole lot of difference inplay forza 5 on pc it looks good i would never buy a whole new laptop to see minor details i have to freeze an stare at the screen for an hour to find the differences 😂😂. Especially in a racing game thats the last thing ill be paying attention to. Sorry bro you did waste your money if you bought the pro for this 😂 this is literally a settrong you can just turn on in a pc or just turn textures up you should had just started an had that
Jesus. These type of comments come from people with only one, simple mindset. It's ridiculous. There is actually a huge difference with ray tracing turned on that I saw in other videos driving at night underneath lights. Everything lights up inside the car more accurately. In some occasions, the PS5 has almost no light inside and the Pro has all the appropriate lights flashing o er the dash. All things you do notice while racing. If VR is that much improved, then for people who race in VR like me, it might push me to that edge to get the Pro. VR already looked incredible, clear, and smooth on the base PS5 as it is. Not saying it is worth the price though. Just saying, how people spend their money is on them. I can easily throw away money, and it won't hurt me at all if I got the Pro. Just to throw this out there. Even the base PS5 can do 4K with 90-120FPS. Just saying. And about your last commentl, he does have a PC. If this was on PC, I'm sure he'd have it. He does have FM on PC.
funny how you praise this game for just adding ray tracing meanwhile forza already had all of that since launch💀 on top of that forza got RT global ilumination on PC😂 game looks light years better than what GT7 can manage
Forza has poor lighting and graphics. It's relatively easy to add ray tracing (RT) to a game that looks like it's from the Xbox 360 era. Why don’t you understand that it’s much more demanding for GT7, given its high-quality tracks and cars?
Sure, being on PC looks slightly better than on Series X, but the cars still look like plastic toys. There is no photo realism in FM, even on high end PC's. It looks cartoonish. The grass density doesn't increase just because it is on PC either. It still looks flat or smooth, making the surfaces on the track look like there is no depth, creating this Sega Dramcast looking surface textures to imitate "grass."
Anyone else completely blown away by VR all over again? It's like rediscovering a whole new level of immersion!?
I agree. It isn't photorealism by any stretch but it removes some more of the obvious video game distractions some more and just helps you slip into immersion to the next level. Now when your focused in and racing you definitely can forget your playing a game
I want Ray tracing in VR =\
I feel exactly like this then got ppl in the comments claiming there’s barely a difference…..
I got punched in the face and kicked in the stomach by a group of PC spec nuts and bots for buying the Pro.
I love it. I had stopped playing when I knew about the PS5 Pro coming and had my fingers crossed that reprojection can be removed and they did !!! I love it now. I don’t care about some flaws here and there that I don’t even notice. No more ghosting/reprojection!!!! Amazong
Finally a convincing post about ps5 pro enhancements on gt7 psvr…. Seems well worthy upgrade!
Just got a pro after all the videos today people are happy. Will set it up tomorrow.
Tried on my new ps pro and can't go back. The reprojection thing is a big deal. I just realized how bad it was when i switch back to a normal ps5 to compare the two consoles.
I love this! VR2 has had a massive price drop for Black Friday. I think you sold me!
Vr2 for gt7 is amazing get padt the sickness if it makes you feels sick
I never had the new PSVR2 but now that I got the PS5 Pro and the headset is on sale this week, Ill be experiencing what everyone is talking about.
Prepare to be disappointed. Biggest regret I ever had was buying the blurstation VR
GT7 in VR is amazing and I don't even have the pro yet to enjoy the new update
For me the PSVR2 was amazing. Until today I love this moment when headset eats reality around you 😂
@@relaxedtriathlon7095 I've never felt that feeling because it's like you're looking through a pair of binoculars at all times
@@relaxedtriathlon7095 I'm not crazy about the PSVR 2. It gives a very grainy effect they call Mura. My PSVR 1 didnt have this.
The best looking driving game is GT7 with PSVR2, it is better than anything on pc.
Nah, just get AC with shaders 🥱🥱🥱, GT7 still looking like a regular game nothing impressive
No gt7 looks better than ac even if you run it on a higher end pc.
AC actually has a new mod that makes it look a lot like GT7. Lol. Even adds the HUD to it as well. When i watched itbI thought the guy was trying to fool us with GT7 footage, but I was able to spot the differences in AC tracks vs GT7.
Wonder if mods on a 2D screen also affect VR. If so, that'd be really cool.
@@andreasmoller9798 uh? So you talking about base AC? because AC is older than GT7 that’s why I’m comparing it with shaders, AC with shaders looks so much better than GT7 there’s no point in comparing them due to the high difference in graphics where AC wins by far
Anything on the proper gaming PC looks a mile better than on the PS5 Pro so far.
I wonder if the Pro fixes the amount of headlights that are effective at night. Usually only the player's headlights are effective and every other car wouldn't have working headlights whether it's how they don't cast shadows or they don't cast lights on the road.
Thanks for the comparison man .. really good video . ❤
You're welcome, thanks for the comment!
Playing in VR is the only way to play for me now. Incredible experience every time you play.
GT7 is never coming to PC, not because of cheaters but because of their Car models. Anybody would be able to stole them and build a mod or even a full game with the insane GT7 insane car details.
1:05 those reflections not rendering at 20fps is Huge!
So true, that was SO distracting
Yeah because you're really paying attention to the reflections during a race
@@MasDouc Actually nah that low fps reflection was really weird, like, why not just lower quality but 60 fps instead, it can be very distracting and immersion breaking
@@MasDouc you do when it's in such a stark contrast to everything else in front of your eyes. Maybe your eyesight is incredibly poor. Wouldn't surprise me.
@@CivilizedSavage prob don't win races then, stay in the back and get outta my way
Best picture right now is with PSSR deactivated.
Amazing in VR. So smooth now on the pro.
It was always smooth what are you even talking about
Bought GT7 when I traded in my base PS5.
Already downloaded the pro patch yesterday.
How did you rate it?
At last. A proper opinion. Thanks dude.
there is a huge upgrade in price
VR improvement is a generational leap in image quality.
Can’t wait to set up my pro tomorrow.
Not even 😂😂
The new reprojection is way better and higher LOD in the distance. Less pop in. But overall in terms of visual there isn’t a huge difference in the pro.
@@MisterReen Whilr the textures and lighting are similar, the reprojection fix is massive
There's 0 graphicsl improvement, it's just headset runs native FPS than upscaled ones using methods like ASW or Reprojection or other means which causes visual issues.
Great, l will play this tonight with PSVR2 and the Pro - it was good before but now it's just fantastic.
Did you see the difference?
the clarity in PSVR2 with the pro and the reduction in LOD pop in is a game changer .... the VR image quality is honestly vastly improved
Never find gt7 blurry even on base ps5 if the psvr2 it set up right.
And you cant really tell how it looks on screen.
@ i have PSVR2 and Pro and over 300hrs on GT7 all of them in vr. The pro makes a very big difference in all the things i said
@ do you have the set or are you judging from youtube. If you have a psvr2 and a pro and you cant tell a difference then either you didnt play much gt7 on ps5 with psvr2 or you havent setup your psvr2 well enough. I am not the only one claiming this… literally everyone sees a big upgrade.
@elwingy can ray tracing be turned on in VR on the pro?
@ no. There is no raytracing in vr.
My Thrustmaster T300 + Wheel Stand Pro V2 + IKEA Poäng are very happy with this 💟
Already got slap-on subscribtion lenses at an VR Optician so I don't have to wear glasses or contacts. Amazing times we live in!
ENJOY!
I was so excited last night seeing that they finally gave us the 92 escort cossie! Not gonna lie i could have done without the jimny or the 20 million Honda racecar.
The Mercedes 196R, you mean. Point taken, but I was personally so surprised by it. I think it’s my favourite $20m car.
@@dobbsie101yeah I didn't realize it was a merc until after I posted it. It would be nice to get some new American vehicles in game.
@@3XmedicI'd love to see the Saleen S7 or S7.R, or maybe the 2014 Corvette DP.
For doing comparison videos on GT7, it helps to create a saved replay, then whatever you load it on, all the conditions, effects and cars are identical. For the more detailed comparisons make use of the free walk option of photo mode and try and match your footage up as best you can. (Albeit, you're right, you can't get the VR view outside of the original gameplay recording, but this is a good way to capture the flat view comparisons).
Why is there no raytracing in VR? Did you have it turned off? I thought the pro does support ray tracing in VR.
Amazing video man, great job, great comparison. One question, how did you record the VR2 footage to be so clear? Whenever I try to record the gameplay, it always looks kinda grainy, like it's very low quality, no matter if I start recording beforehand or save recent gameplay, it's nowhere near what you show here? Do you use some capture card or record replays somehow or... ? Many thanks!
Thank you, sorry for the late reply. I use a capture card to record mine in 4K at around 150 bitrate. Card I use is the GC573 Live Gamer 4K.
One of the best comparisons so far. Many thanks.
Love my PS5 Pro with PSVR2 on GT7. FWIW I have a RTX4090 system which runs Forza Motorsport in native 4K everything maxed out. Forza doesn’t even come close to be honest, not to mention it doesn’t even have any VR support
How does Gt7 compare to AMS2 on your 4090 in VR?
Holy hell, I never noticed the cars didnt reflect off each other on the base ps5 version wow!
Yea not RT on PS5 🤣 Not like it's a big deal tho.
So in VR reprojection is gone but resolution stays the same?
i was starting to question my vr2 purchase but now with pc compatibility AND the pro letting it stretch its legs i have hope again.
Sadly, VR as a whole seems to be on the decline. Few big developers are going all in, and even Sony feels like it’s holding back. META has secured a lot of exclusive deals, and most new games are being developed for standalone Quest devices, I’d call that the 'mobile VR experience.' What VR really needs is for some major players to step in and push the industry forward.
That’s it, i'm gonna get the ps5pro.
GT7 on PSVR2 is my absolute favorite VR game, and if the pro makes it even better...i'm in! 🤩
Only thing is that the discdrive isn't available here for normal prices atm..
@MasDouc i don't think i'm gonna regret it, meanwhile i've seen more video's and reactions about this update, and the majority is pretty impressed.
@@MasDoucgot the ps5pro, installed gt7, played on PSVR2 and I am impressed! The blur because of fast movement is gone, it's clearer and it has a better, rock-solid framerate!
This game is awesome in VR..
If not for absolutely needing a disc drive due to how many games i have via disc id have pulled the trigger and traded my ps5 in. Gt7 on vr2 is pretty much all i play in vr nowadays. When the disc drive version goes on sale I'll bite but for now the current version on base ps5 is good enough.
The PS5 Pro looks darker based on this video. I’ll wait for the PS6
And then when you see it on PS6 you’ll wait for PS7, and so on and so forth until you die having never purchased anything, great
I played my first gran turismo on psvr2 for the first time yesterday....
And after all the flat screen stuff, i was thrown in to a car... AND WOW... the mirrors worked, everything was the right size... Only thing that ruined it was not having a wheel
Can you tell me more about that experience ? I'm disappointed with Forsa Motorsport and I'm looking for GTR7 in VR but I also won't have space for a wheel.
How is the experience with the controller? Is it that bad?
Im curious how the" Ford GT Race Car "18" looks at night with raytracing. I always love seeing those blue lights it has towards the back under whatever that part is called. Would you be able to show that? That car looks great.
FM version of that car is a little different and does not look as good. Wish it had the lights to go with it in FM. Another thing FM does not do, is those reflective number decals don't redlect. They do in GT7 though.
I will do it for you xD good idea.
Done mate. ua-cam.com/video/seJshhcJ03I/v-deo.html
Thank you for this very interesting video, if I switch to the PlayStation Pro and exclusively for VR and Gran Turismo, then you confirm that the improvement is there and it is evident
I wonder if in VR, is the vision frame same as we see in video or you see more around when you constantly look forward. I mean in video when you look forward you need to turn your head to see the mirrors. With VR is it already there or the frame is still limited?
need help guys: on PS5 pro ray tracing enabled and PSSR as well.
with 120hz input looks a lot crispier even though doesn’t have car reflection. but with it off it has car reflections but looks grainy im I missing something
I'll be upgrading when the Pro goes on sale. Hard to do so since I'm not gonna sell my original PS5 plus I'll be getting the disc drive
I missed out on the disk drive and it's killing me! But you're not missing to much right now tbh.
@@AutomotiveVP I just don't get why Sony isn't pushing for more first/third party flight/racing sims compatible with PSVR2. It's the ONE genre that sells VR the most. I hate having my console for just one game. Hope Sony makes more. Even Drive club VR was amazing. Just...something different
I didn’t know Keith Lemon played PS5
It looks like the ground's moving when you spin the car
For your next video when you will do a side by side, you can safe the replay, and play it back on the other PS5.
Thank you for the idea, I hadn’t even considered this before. I really appreciate the heads-up!
It's a big improve in some things, specially in VR. Cockpit ligths effects, reflections, and sharpness are now WAY BETTER. BUT there are few things that looks worse after the patch. Maybe is because the image sharpness, but you can see more edges and worse anti-aliasing now, and pixelated particles (smoke, spray, etc). BUT The thing I hate is that carpaint and materials effects looks now much more plain depending on the light. Sun/lights glare is now totally plain, at least over metallic/pearl paints. You can see this efect especially in the tunels at night. The effect the light produce on the paint, and how plain the colors look now. There are other details here and there like darker image in some tracks/situations also.
It’s probably due to the PSSR upscaler that there’s some obvious artifacting now
Guys is it worth buying VR on a non pro Ps5?
100% worth it for me.
Did they fix the vr side and rear view reflections
Nope, it's pretty much exactly the same
That's strange when I play in the raytracing mode with PSSR activated, the image quality is pretty bad! Lots of aliasing, grainy....
Can you check out the crew motorfest for ps5 pro? I heard that game has differences from the base version
Any other differences apart from resolution/lighting?
When I'm racing i don't even notice the scenery, my focus is the track not the lighting on the car.
I think I can see the PS5 Pro version rain droplets is more 1:17, especially on the windscreen compared to the normal PS5 version.
Well, this is one of the best comparions for GT7 - thanks man!
Also in night races on PS5 in some places shadow cast from all cars headlights, and in some places no any single shadow. On PS5 Pro - same?
I heard there were some issues with blurring on base ps5 for VR, how is it now?
Massively fixed.
It's still incredibly clear on base PS5. If you actually set it up and get it aligned right before using it, it's really clear.
Not saying the Pro doesn't make it better, but I think some people are downplaying how well the base PS5 PSVR2 looks in GT7. It's one of the best looking games in VR in my opinion and is still very clear.
Fixed!! No more reprojection and if any so slight! Love it.
@@joesciviche’s not talking about lens sweetspot but ghosting from reprojection. Completely fixed on the pro in the new positional reprojection mode you turn on in the menu. No ghosting around bends or looking out windows, everything feels more solid and real now.
@@SpacehotelMusic I know that is what he is talking about. I'm just saying the game is still really clear
I watched many PS5 Pro clips from GT7 yesterday and I'm surprised by how much of the game is ray traced. It's not just the cars. It's also the roads, walls, buildings, maybe every surface in the game. Even without ray tracing every surface in the game is already reflective to some extent, like all the tarmac on every track in the game. This is realistic, as even the most rough surface in life reflects light to some extent. This is why the visual impact of the ray tracing is greater than expected. The game was already doing an excellent job approximating the effect of ray tracing through simpler means. But with the real thing done in real time, it subtly makes the whole scene look more cohesive and correct, at any time of day. Because the reflective properties are always active, even at day and in the dry. But like I said, the game already simulates these effects and renders materials better than any other game even without ray tracing, so I'm not surprised if you'll happily play in VR without ray tracing instead.
Should checkout a night race when the brakes heat up and it looks really cool.
I think this game, FFVII Rebirth and Stellar Blade are my biggest reasons to get this console. I love how the new reflections look in the PS5 Pro, however, I'm still not willing to support a 700 dollar console without a disc drive. Also, some games have problems in the PRO, such as Silent Hill 2.
I think I'll wait for the PS6, or if the PS5 Pro gets a disc version with a discount maybe I'll get it.
Is it ok to use VR headset if your using glasses? Cant se how it will be comfortable
I use it with glasses and it works fine. You don’t even notice you have glasses on.
No, it's not. You can buy prescription lenses to put over the lenses in the headset. Extra cost, yes, but it works.
@@Evilkingus Agreed. I wore glasses when I first got mu VR2, and ended up with scratches on the lenses of the headset. I was not the only one. Sony repaired FoC for me, luckily, and I ordered a set of VR Optician prescription lenses. No more worries.
@@MasDouc I have had psvr2 since launch it has worked fine for me so explain to me how sharing my experience is a lie? So everyone who disagrees with you is a liar got it.
@@MasDouc yeah and I said it’s not uncomfortable and works fine and you called me a liar grow up people can have opinions I use my VR at least once a week and I don’t even notice my glasses are on
I see a massive difference 0:40 look at the speedometer and how it lights up the interior of the car. In general interior lighting is 10 times better than it was before (it was already really good).
Yeah who cares, not worth $700
@@MasDouc Luckily there are many games where the visual difference is night and day so if you don't like this upgrade maybe one of the other 5 dozen upgrades will.
@@Blag_Cog night and day? Lol ok
@@MasDouc FF7 Rebirth's performance mode looks completely different. Its like wearing glasses for the nearsighted.
@Blag_Cog that I can understand, the original was so poorly optimized its like someone smeared the screen with Vaseline.
1200 for just the ps5 in canada and then about 800 canadian for psvr2 which 2k canadian is like 1500 quid
1:19 it looks real 😭
Shit! I didn't expect that! Do i need an 8k tv now too?
Thanx for this Video!
I know it will take some time but PS5 vs PS5P side by side PSVR2 comparison would go a long way in helping me decide to upgrade or not.... pleeeeeeease!?!?!?! 😂
instead of saying fuck over and over you couldve explained if mirrors, lod and draw distance are better now in vr2.
Hes not really a "tech" guy. More of a gamer. So for him, he speaks based on his impression thats why he says "it looks better, sharper, smoother". If you want a more technical analysis, just wait couple of days for digital foundry.
Doesnt kook good with the shimmering with rt and pssr. Just compare the cars in the gt auto garage. I switch ossr off with rt
its like change 6 to half a dozen
Theres barely a difference, placebo effect
There is, already been confirmed by John at digital foundry. And we should see a video about it soon,
you see many people claiming differences, if their was nothing to it, there would be just one or two people behind it but thats clearly not the case
Não consigo ver nada.
Bo nie ma różnic.
4:11 😂
i feel like the VR is too.. "shakee" ,this could be smoothed out, looks unrealistic, but thats just my opinion
So if I want gt7 with ray tracing I have to spend 600 or 700£ when I've already spent 500£ to purchase a PS5 that already has a ray tracing technology incorporated and it was promised to deliver new generation games with ray tracing technology!!!!
To be fair, i got a computer with a GPU that cost 300%+ more then a PS5 pro and its a nvidia GPU. I usually run with 0 raytracing because its to demanding and gives very little value for the performance it eats from your system. The most demanding games on PC like black myth wukong, Alan wake 2 and some more cant even run everything on max with raytracing at 4k with hogh fps and that card is like 2000€ in my country
@@alebaler haha are you a litle dumb hmm! My Rtx 4060ti (418$)!!!! My complete Pc with i7 and this Card and with 32 GB Ram and with SSD and Mouse and Keyboard....973$!!!!!!!!! and i can Play with Ultra Settings and Raytracing or the better Pathtracing.....and i have 80-230 Fps by the Games !!!!!!! PS5 PRO IS TRASH FOR THIS PRICE!!!!! WELCOME IN 2024 Buddy 🤣😘
@@alpha_lykaner4867path tracing on 1080p maybe 1440p with upscaling most likely on a 4060 ti is fucking wank mate (I’m a pc only user)
Sell your og ps5 tye true cost is far less esp if you also needed an ssd upgrade as I did.
@@Wyn3e Of course in 1440p, because we're still talking about an Rtx 4060ti and not an Rtx 4090 and a price of just $418!!!! I run Cyberpunk 2077 with the highest graphics settings, and patch tracing is also activated. The game only runs at 58-75 fps, but that's because of the mods I use. Now you can imagine how other games perform on my PC, because they don't need as many resources as Cyberpunk 2077! As a reminder, my complete PC only cost $973 and is used on a 55 inch TV, which the graphics card also has to manage! And with the Pc you can not only play games like on a Ps5 Pro! So Ps5 Pro costs 699$ and that without drive and a stand and the Pc is then 273$ more expensive but with more power and application features, any smart person would then save a month more money and reach for the Pc. And yes, I can sit comfortably on the couch with a controller in my hand without having to sit stiffly at a PC table! I'll link you to my mod for Cyberpunk 2077 below, I got it from the site so you can get an idea of what the Pc can do with the right hardware and software configuration. Whether you believe me or not is up to you, but since you have been using Pc for years you should know what is possible if you buy and combine the Pc components correctly. ua-cam.com/video/90oVkISQot8/v-deo.htmlsi=oMh0u_1Xjh7KjGCS
If VR pretty is so great then why have they not added to the UI in the car to know the drivers, car intervals and pit stops with this update??? This is what needs to be fixed. This would have been the perfect time to do this with the better graphics. I race in VR too and ever since the psvr2 was released they have done absolutely nothing to improve it! Graphics mean nothing right now.
Too bad they canceled any other VR games. A lot to spend for one game. AC Evo better be VR or it’s a total failure
ACE needs to deliver a good VR experience. No PC racing game has fully optimized, smooth VR performance in the genre, and it’s badly needed. I love ACC and AMS2, but their VR implementation is just so poor.
I’m getting a lot of ghosting and tearing. Not happy about it.
Yeah these vids are such a lie. Game doesn't look better at all in VR
I can barely tell the differences
Because there barely is a difference
Buddy you need to do more angry Forza comparison videos
Its like 0.5% difference
I'm fighting every urge to buy a PS5 Pro, you're not helping!
I caved in this eve.
I caved this morning after seeing these improvements. Not disappointed. No more double image ghosting.
I can’t cave in cause I’m broke living in a Buddhist monastery 😆
@@mountaindrew5219but some ppl commenting that game got worse on pro
OKOK !! i understand what you'r talking about.. but wait, for double the price ? (yes BlackFriday PS5 digital 379€)
Sorry bro, but i don"t pay double just for a better reflexion... i spend my money on a PSVR2 for 399 !!! right NOW ... yeassssss !!!
You posted right when I was about to fart
@@wordsshackles441 I was sucking in air as you farted for a reason
I sharted
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@@AutomotiveVPlol
@@Ducko7265 skidmarks in VR with proper physically based rendering, that’s what it is all about.
If you play with a microscope, you can only see the difference... I can't see a big difference, it was the biggest nonsense Sony has ever done...😂
im never a day 1... will EVENTUALLY get all this goodness when youve all beta tested and theres tons more pro content and prices have fallen XDDDD
I agree! It makes the game hotter!
HAHA YOU AND OTHERS got screwed by Sony. U bought a ps5pro, and in 2 years' time, the ps6 comes out, It is official, and you wasted $700
For that price it is not worth it
Definitely not worth it at all
RTGI in gameplay and no real mirrors 😂😂😂
Pity the game as far as single player goes is 20yo. No qualifying…
Sony stated the base PS5 has quality/fidelity mode with compromised frame rate but with PS5 pro you have the fidelity mode and performance mode combined.
So when people are comparing PS5 FM vs PS5pro Pro mode they're going to look the same only that the pro has the better frame rate. So why are people trying to compare apples to apples?
So the only comparison is the frame rate ok and maybe the resolution but overall the only real improvement is the frame rate in quality mode features.
Not true. Some games are like that while others have added on more graphical enhancements in their quality modes on Pro. Ray tracing during racing in GT7 is only on the PRO. Dead rising also has ray traced reflections on pro that are not on ps5.
Well, even GT7 on the base PS5 has a better framerate than FM. GT7 on the base PS5 is still capable of 4K 90-120 FPS.
A sony é covarde lancou uma att pra piorar a versão de ps5 slim pra ter alguma diferença do ps5 protótipo kkkk
WTF Polyphony..a massive downgrade to the non-VR mode in visuals when using PSSR in the Pro...
everything becomes aliased, shimmering and blurry compared to the old version on base PS5 which actually looks better.
Ni wonder it wasn't available when the Pro launched because it would of negatively impacted launch sales and preorders had we known about this
That’s not true
@MisterReen there's a clear hit to visual quality when using ray-tracing or PSSR.
I've been playing it on my Pro and base PS5 back to back since the new update.
The ray-tracing is barely noticeable during gameplay and not worth the visual downgrade elsewhere.
It looks good in photo mode when your not actually moving or playing but I didn't buy a $700 console to take pictures
That's also the reason the ones claiming PSSR will be game changer for VR should get knowledge before claiming things.
PSSR will be worse thing to happen to VR
Yup they just need to add Tescos in scapes and a few trollies and booom realism!!! XDDD
There is no tesco in Japan lol
bought the PS5 Pro and have no regrets.
Can you get a more Northern ey up accent than this!? 😂
The Pro is obviously great because its upgraded hardware allows GT7 to have full RT on gameplay. But it costs more than the Base and Slim PS5s and it does not have a Disc Drive that you’d have to buy it separately. It’d be a funny thing to call the PS5 Pro a “Pro Digital Edition”. I know, Sony should’ve provided a Disc version for the PS5 Pro so there won’t be a need to buy a Disc drive separately.
People would mostly recommend a normal PS5 just because it has a Disc drive, and is less expensive than the Pro. The normal PS5 hardware made GT7’s RT restrict to Menus, Replays, and Scapes only. Pretty sure that it wouldn’t sound too special as the full RT and higher Frame rates on gameplay is the only minor difference.
Speaking of the game’s Ray Tracing, the only thing that holds me back is the Window glass materials do not reflect the car’s own Side mirrors when RT is enabled. That happened ever since GT7 released 2 years ago. Either way, the game looks incredible with or without RT.
Whatever is your preference which console version you want, just take your pick and enjoy. I don’t want to take others’ enjoyment away. Or if you have a base PS4, PS4 Slim, it PS4 Pro, it’s fine too. 🙂
I wouldn't trust side by side comparison anymore, the devil lies in the detail!
Stick camera inside the headset, and record through the lenses. You keep saying things you cannot defend, only a justification of your buying.
Its crazy the over this gets for 20 fps on back ground stuff and an the fact that these are small details you wont ever see while you are racing 😂😂. It doesnt make a whole lot of difference inplay forza 5 on pc it looks good i would never buy a whole new laptop to see minor details i have to freeze an stare at the screen for an hour to find the differences 😂😂. Especially in a racing game thats the last thing ill be paying attention to.
Sorry bro you did waste your money if you bought the pro for this 😂 this is literally a settrong you can just turn on in a pc or just turn textures up you should had just started an had that
Jesus. These type of comments come from people with only one, simple mindset. It's ridiculous. There is actually a huge difference with ray tracing turned on that I saw in other videos driving at night underneath lights. Everything lights up inside the car more accurately. In some occasions, the PS5 has almost no light inside and the Pro has all the appropriate lights flashing o er the dash. All things you do notice while racing.
If VR is that much improved, then for people who race in VR like me, it might push me to that edge to get the Pro. VR already looked incredible, clear, and smooth on the base PS5 as it is.
Not saying it is worth the price though. Just saying, how people spend their money is on them. I can easily throw away money, and it won't hurt me at all if I got the Pro.
Just to throw this out there. Even the base PS5 can do 4K with 90-120FPS. Just saying.
And about your last commentl, he does have a PC. If this was on PC, I'm sure he'd have it. He does have FM on PC.
Stop crying goofy. No one cares about your pathetic PC.
*sads in ps4
Lmao who’s gonna spend all that money for just a few new reflections that you can only appreciate when the car is not moving 😹😹😹
800€ no thanks
funny how you praise this game for just adding ray tracing meanwhile forza already had all of that since launch💀 on top of that forza got RT global ilumination on PC😂 game looks light years better than what GT7 can manage
Forza has poor lighting and graphics. It's relatively easy to add ray tracing (RT) to a game that looks like it's from the Xbox 360 era. Why don’t you understand that it’s much more demanding for GT7, given its high-quality tracks and cars?
Sure, being on PC looks slightly better than on Series X, but the cars still look like plastic toys. There is no photo realism in FM, even on high end PC's. It looks cartoonish. The grass density doesn't increase just because it is on PC either. It still looks flat or smooth, making the surfaces on the track look like there is no depth, creating this Sega Dramcast looking surface textures to imitate "grass."
Looks be-er
Looks shytza