Now Is The Best Time To Become a Fighter Pilot - Make Them Tell You No!
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2023
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"Make them tell you no" should be taught to all kids growing up for almost all areas in life. I wanted to be a pilot as a kid but my parents told me I couldn't be because I didn't have 20/20 vision, so I never tried. Would I have made it? No idea, but I eliminated myself without even trying. Don't sabotage yourself in other areas of life. It's better to try and fail than not try at all.
Also the fact of “If you NEVER ASK, THE ANSWER WILL ALWAYS BE NO!” No matter what it is.
Absolutely right. I busted a lot of b*lls to get where I'm at today. However, I'm all about brute force and ignorance, if someone said to me that I couldn't do something, by hook or crook, I was gonna get it done, just to spite them. What Mover says in "Make them tell you no" is the same or darn close to the old saying, "nothing ventured, nothing gained. The first step for anyone, to become a fighter pilot, tank operator, or even a crew chief is to get off the couch.
I’m an army guy but I tried to do the street to seat route into WOFT after high school. I didn’t get it. My vision was like 20/400. So I enlisted, got PRK on the Army’s dime while stationed in Hawaii. Learned about the Green-to-Gold program. Applied to that and was accepted. Did well enough in college and ROTC to branch Medical Service so I could fly MEDEVAC. Flew the MEDEVAC mission for a few years and loved it. Now I’m an ATCer. It took years. But I persevered. MAKE THEM TELL YOU NO! And even if told no, rules change, their needs change, waivers can be granted. Find a new way. You CAN get there.
Mover, its such dark irony that you are inspiring and motivating countless people..but not flying yourself!! At a time when your skills are so needed! Perhaps we viewers/supporters need to start a petition and present it in a way that the decision makers cannot say no!
I’d sign it
Hey C.W.
Glad I picked the right time to pursue this. Almost 23 and decided to leave my full time blue collar gig to pursue a military career. My family told me to stay in school but I ignored them.. I changed my mind recently and decided to make something out of myself and go the college route instead of the trades. Just finished a 4.0 semester and turned my life in the opposite direction.
Seems to me that recruiting and retainment is down across the board because my generation is choosing private sector work instead of military. There is no better time to enter and chase the opportunities that the AF has.
Just signed up for AFROTC at my school. Would love to go guard but want to be an active duty officer above all. Working on my BA right now at my local CC before I transfer to my AFROTC host school. Going to put in for rated boards. Thanks for all of your help and guidance sir!
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Hell yeah! Good luck!
My grades are exceptional I currently have straight A’s and I spend the rest of my time in the simulator. I study Law and my biggest concern is whether or not the ANG will give me the contract I’m looking for. I want to be a pilot. Not a mechanic, not a crew chief, not ordinance tech, but a pilot. I’m willing to give of myself to the military for X amount of years but not for a position that the recruiter screwed me into. The contract needs to guarantee the position or else I can’t sign it. My question is, how can I get my staff sergeant to get me the right contract?
"Contracts" are not a thing. Check out the guidebook in the description. There is an application process for Rated Boards. Zero percent chance of a recruiter screwing you if you apply to the right boards. Enlisted recruiters have no part in this process.
@@CWLemoine Holy crap this document is the single most helpful thing I could find on the pilot process thank you 🙏
If you only knew how many people youve inspired to chase that dream you would be shocked. Keep up the good work man!!
If only USAF/AFRC/ANG knew... I might still be flying.
@@CWLemoine True..but you have proved yourself in many ways. We are appreciative of it here.
@@CWLemoine o they knew they just did not want to end up paying you the retirement money. after all budget cuts man.
I'll still get a retirement now. I found a non-flying reserve gig.
@@CWLemoine good at least they have to do still do that but thats only because you where willing to make the step away from flying. dont think you will find a lot of pilots willing to do that.
This man is basically rallying people to go accomplish their dreams. God bless you mover
It is crazy to me that top tier pilots like yourself are sitting at home and not flying fighters. They need to get you back into a plane (maybe next gen fighter). Such a colossal waste of money to train pilots and then bench them for no apparent reason.
I’m for higher taxes to give mover and gonky an f-35 the question is do they want the c or the a model
@@AB0BA_69 I think Mover said he would fly a fighter tomorrow if he could.
@@AB0BA_69 Is this about that defective ejection rocket? I thought the military fixed it?
@@AB0BA_69 Oh I definitely think it was made to extract as much money as possible out of the maintenance contracts which Lockheed bundles with it.
Do you have a link to that report? I'd like to read it.
The majority of the cost is apparently due to the stealth coating, which can't be mass produced. I think the trend will continue, but where the pilots will have swarms of drones beside them.
It's a young person's job
❤ you are giving life and impetus even to others of us who are battling challenges unrelated to flying.I put your Make Em Tell You No poster on my wall and fridge notecards and I set out and pushed through. You deserve victory in every aspect of your life and dreans . May it be so!
I finally landed in my target location this weekend! Now to take on the "eye specialists" (contradiction in terms.)
I was not a pilot, but I did enjoy backseat qualifications in the Hornet as a mech for 106.
I didn't graduate high school first. I did everything from Waivers. Was told I would never enter service as a rated person because of high school. I joined anyway and became an AD AC, BUT I really wanted a fighter jet squadron. I was told I'd never use my Aircrew skills in a fighter squadron so I made my way to the FRS and became invaluable to my unit and waiver qualed E-5 duties as a turn mech while still E-3 then got my qual for the Jet at NAS Jax and Cecil, flew Cross Country for repair jobs and early Detachment to the Boat, anytime a seat was available for me I hit it.
If I hadn't become disabled I dare say I would have worked my way to Officer and got that front seat spot.
Never take no for the answer. Find your way somehow to get that goal. Make yourself invaluable when you get there.
P.S. I can virtually Sim fly from the front seat after years of wondering what that was like, so even now, I'm still finding a way to get my dreams fulfilled.
Never give up, never take no for the first answer.
Work as hard as it takes.
Love flying SIMS and using real life tactics in the f16. Once you master the Jet it’s all about using proper techniques and tactics to kill the enemy. What’s your sim setup like?
@evanmiskavitch6937 I'm flat-screen, currently winwing hotas setup for the Hornet. I have not gotten into adding MIPS yet, but I am amazed that it is even possible. For the first time in the sim, I did a maintenance turn up, and everything worked very well. Even the fuel transfer and electric power start has a good feel to it for sim versus rl. This is just a total trip for me. I'm like 4 months into learning how hard the pilots had to work. It looked so glamorous from my younger eyes 😆
Hey Mover, I’ve been subbed to you for a while and love the channel! Lots of great and helpful content.
I just graduated OTS and am now at UPT as a casual awaiting my pilot training start date! Can’t wait to start the journey!!
What degree do you have if you don't mind me asking? I'm stressing over it currently.
@@markmunoz3951 I did microbiology 😂. So yeah, definitely not related to aviation. I’d say the most important thing is to have a good GPA whichever commissioning source you go through (Academy, ROTC, or OTS). It doesn’t look like the field itself matters much, although it’s “thought” that stem degrees are weighted a bit more heavily from what I hear.
Trying to finish my degree then thinking about pulling the trigger on joining the air national guard. Would be an honor to pilot one of these bad boys
Do it!
let’s pretend I’m a NPS/U and I have my 4 year degree. I reach out to my local AFR officer access recruiter (OA) and start the officer process. Here’s my question; Do I become an officer first before I get accepted into UFT? If so am I bound by law to serve my RSC even if I’m eliminated from the UFT candidate pool? Or is UFT guaranteed upon becoming an officer?
@@evanm6739 you go to OTS with a pilot slot if you get hired by AFRC or ANG or off the street OTS.
Lets go !!!!!!
Working right now to get there. Currently 17, in the candidate process for USAFA and planning on visiting a handful of local ROTC dets in order to give myself the best shot possible. I've spent a week on base at Laughlin and then a week at Columbus in UPT familiarization courses, and with the right attitude I'm positive I can make it.
As a former Air Force pilot, i can't imagine going in now.
Can you elaborate a little please
The services need to get rid of all age restrictions and just accept people on the basis of aptitude, health, and a willingness to commit to the program.
While I'm a product of the university system, I don't believe a bachelors is any indication of whether someone can or will succeed in flight school
They would if they could, it’s not about current ability, it’s about ability 10-20 years down the line.
A 25 year old and a 45 year old might have the same skill level _today_ but in two decades, when older guy is 65, not a chance.
@AllYourMemeAreBelongToUs that is very true. I think his point lends more to the fact that the military really struggles to recruit and retain, if one cannot recruit, and then you have to pick from what comes to you. Remember it's a volunteer service and they're not enticing people to want to join. The glory days of aviation really have come and gone. Sad to say but it's true
@@jiceBERG All a college degree means is that you can sit still and do as you're told, day after day, for two or more years. And when you get your diploma you are now considered to be ready to educate and train. Not expected to be an expert.
You know you've achieved a new level on UA-cam when the Pentagon 'kindly requests' that you add a 'DoD does not endorse this message' CYA statement. Thanking you for your service sir. The work you do helps bring talent to our recruiters. Keep it up.
Had surgery in early June, looking to apply to ANG bases in December! Would love to work as an engineer full time and fly ANG part time.
You can expect to be full time flying for ~5 years after joining if you go that route.
@@CWLemoine That is the plan! I would like to fly fighters full time and then return to an engineering job full time and still fly fighters part time in the ANG. Is this a common route for STEM airmen?
@@chasemorgan9543 Yeah I'm an engineer and am thinking of doing that for the RAAF.
Already nearly 30, but I have a master's degree so...
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@@Snoop_Dugg I'm sure the age rules are different, but if there's a will there's a waiver! Good luck to you!
I'm getting close to 30, have moved on in life and work a good job... but sometimes it really hurts knowing some medical bs has barred me from trying to go after the dream of being a fighter pilot. I have other dreams, but nothing really came close to this one. On the bright side I'm glad other people get to have that chance.
Great time to become any kind of pilot.
Hoping to go up for selection boards in April, maybe june failing that
He's absolutely right. I've had many hurdles during the time I've had an application with the Defence Force for pilot (2021 was when I started), but until someone sets in stone that there is absolutely no chance I can join as a pilot, I will keep climbing that mountain until I reach the top. In a few years time I will come back to this comment, and I will be in military flight training school.
Honestly I'm seriously considering it. I've had to wait for a number of policy changes over the years and had to leave ROTC years ago to avoid being kicked out but these days it's finally feasible. I'm a little too old for regular AF/Navy now (33) but on your advice I might apply to guard and reserve units. I'd be thrilled to fly F-15C out of PDX if I can somehow swing that haha.
This is good. I was enlisted on submarines and got out, I spent a little bit of time working a normal job and realized I'm not satisfied so I decided to change it. I used my GI Bill to get a cybersecurity degree that I'm about to finish. I applied to a bunch of places and realized that the entry level requirements are unrealistically high so, now I'm considering pivoting to trying to get a commission as an intelligence or information systems officer to get the experience. Persistence seems to be the key to everything in life.
Hey I love your videos they are very informative, I have a question about the astb, when I choose to take it will there be a class that will teach us on what we will be taking on the test or will I have to study separately not gonna lie I feel kinda nervous about it
Mover maybe you can talk with casmo about being a warrant Officer flying helicopters in the Us Army, I know they hire people with only high school degree, I've seen videos about it andlooks an interesting option
Reserves and guard IS the best opportunity! UPT is broken right now though.
I heard that the Navy pliot training is so backed up, people are waiting around in Pensacola for months before they start flight school. Have you heard this too Mover?
That's not uncommon in the AF or Navy.
I'm 37. So I'm pretty much a no although I can fly tankers/cargo if I wanted to. I'm trying to get in the reserves at Hill. If there is an opportunity than I'll take my shot Even though it will be none existent
Do you need to enjoy rollercoasters? I love flying but hate the drops in roller coasters (and the feeling that you aren't in control)
Do you get trained to withstand G-LOC?
Mover my son is applying for both AFROTC and AROTC scholarships. There are quite a few more slots for Army. If he goes Army can he still branch ANG or is that only for AFROTC? Doesn't the ARNG also have fixed wing? Just want to help him know his options to fly if AFROTC doesn't come through for him.
Mover, just curious. I may have missed updates but, Are you going back to the airlines? And the same with the military. If both need pilots so bad, why have things gone the way they did for you guys. Serious questions. Obviously I don't know all the background.
I don’t have a PPL. but I really want to be a pilot. Don’t care what plane.
I’m currently calling everybody lol. Reserve, guard, AD.
I’ll die trying
Damn, i hope the netherlands is also having a Fighter Pilot Shortage so i get a better chance at maybe becoming one with my already high chance😉
Hey I'm new to your channel, so sorry if you've already answered this, but I'm looking to go the Academy/ROTC route and then work for a pilot slot at UPT. Will this still be the case 5ish years down the line? Also, do you know whether it will be harder or easier to get a fighter from UPT, or is it still "luck and timing?"
It's all about luck and timing on the active duty side (and needs of the Air Force). Can't predict what will happen in 5 years, but you can control your work ethic and how you help others in your class succeed.
you know you guys in the USA have lots of posibilities to become fighter pilots, Airforce, Navy,USMC Aviation, air national guard. i think i even missed some but c.w. might be able to point them out.
If I were 10-15 years younger I probbaly would have pursuit it.
Besides the obvious requirement for a college degree, would an applicant's LSAT score possibly be taken for consideration? It's the mandatory entrance exam needed to attend law school (similar to how the MCAT is required for medical school), while it isn't part of a college transcript, a high score on the LSAT is a great indicator of merit and hard work, the average individual doesn't just waltz their way in to a 160+ LSAT without taking it seriously and dedicating several months (possibly a year+) of dedicated study before they ever sit for the exam. I guess I'm just curious as to what is taken into account when considering an applicant other than physical fitness and their schooling/programs attended.
Nope. AFOQT and TBAS for the AF.
Im about to start school to get my degree. Im torn between a bachelor's in History or bachelor's in Spanish. Does anybody have additional advice for me on why i should or shouldn't pursue either degree? Thanks!
Are you in the reserves being recalled?
Not sure if youll see this, but im an 19 year old foreigner from the Caribbean, but ive wanted to be a fighter pilot for a long time. Is there any advice i can get as tk what extra hurdles I should be prepared to cross?
Mover, you can try too and make it fly again
I have tried quite a bit. Unfortunately, sometimes the answer is no. We have to keep moving forward.
@@CWLemoine exactly. Time to turn the page
Metallica
Hope the title still applies in a few years.
Is it possible for a foreign national to become a pilot in the US military? Not a US citizen or resident, but from an EU country and Nato ally. If yes, what would that process look like?
No. You must be a citizen
I'm 65, do they have a waiver for that?
Until 33 sir
Since you know the reserve side, is there a point where your age becomes a factor? Even if you’re under the age limit of 33? I know I’m self eliminating here, but it’s discouraging when your competition is 5 years younger than you.
It's a whole person concept, so it's going to depend on the rest of your application, personality, how you fit in, etc. I'd say age (that doesn't require an exception to policy) is not going to be a factor. Once you need a waiver, it'll obviously be a consideration. Don't self eliminate!
@@CWLemoine that’s good to hear, I’m 28 so I have a few years left to give it my all. Thanks!
Is there a waiver for college degree? I fly for a major airline, but never went to college. I’m also about to turn 38. Think it would be worth even talking to someone?
There is no waiver for a college degree in the Air Force or Navy.
In the US, do you need a university degree to be a military pilot?
As an officer, yes. In the Army Warrant Officer Program, no.
Does ang and reserves still require you to be an officer and have a college degree?
Yes.
Mover, as a 30-year old Army officer reaching his last year of service obligation, is there potential in trying to get into the fighter pilot training pipeline for Air Guard, Reserves, or even Navy?
Yes.
@@CWLemoine That’s good to hear. Any idea how that process could look? Inter service transfer? REFRAD from the Army and start new in one of the other services? Did you have any contact with pilots who did something similar?
@@bamarine247 your best bet is to rush a Guard/Reserve unit and then it would be an interservice transfer. If you're an O-4 it's a lot less likely due to the scrolling process.
This is my goal! Going to college and doing ROTC, then hoping to commission and get that slot!
You've got this!
@@CWLemoine Do you have any tips for learning how to fly? I’m majoring in flight and my roommates have a couple hours of flight experience each, but I don’t want to have to redo any flight lessons
@@americanboy338 save as much money if you can up front and try to fly as often as possible. Try to be consistent and don’t take long breaks between flights.
For which country?
I only speak about the United States when giving advice. I have no knowledge of any other country's processes.
I'm 42. One thing I regret in my life is serving my country. If I could turn back time. That is one thing I would do.
If it's a regret then you've gained wisdom.
lol they said since I didn’t have a 3.8 GPA I should consider enlisting instead of OCS. Anyways I’m joining the navy in a month lol
What is your GPA? And who told you this?
@@CWLemoine wow quick response lol. My gpa was a 3.4 with a computer science degree and my recruiter said this during a group meeting to everyone. We never met 1 on 1, it was always group zoom meetings. He said my degree was only advantageous if I wanted to code for the Air Force. I should have gone for film and gotten a 4.0 to fly. Made me call up all of the colleges in my local town to find an rotc group to test for the afoqt. I passed it nicely. Didn’t much like the recruiting for the Air Force so I ended up submitting to a navy board this coming March. They set it all up for me all I had to do was show up where they told me when they told me to.
@@CWLemoine since I know you read comments now, thanks for the videos you make. I like them a lot and they helped keep me trying to fight for a pilot slot no matter what branch.
@@spitfyre530 So you’re going to OCS for the Navy?
@@CWLemoine Yes sir, as long as I get approved by the board in March. Which looks likely. They did pre approve me for an NFO slot but I think I’d rather fight for the actual pilot slot. I was 1 point off pre-approval for pilot on my ASTB(basiacally the TBAS)
I showed this video to my wife, who LOVES military aircraft and would fly in a second. Her response ......
Military: "Mrs Lewis what are your qualifications?"
Wife: "I can fit in the cockpit!"
Military: "Why are you giggling?"
Wife: "Cause I said cockpit! Duh!"
Military: "Don't call us we will call you."
Fighter pilot material!
@@CWLemoine She's a keeper !!
Thank goodness for Tom Cruise.
So are you more likely to be a fighter pilot in the reserves than active duty?
It depends. You still have to make the grades, and getting hired into a unit is more competitive. But, once you get hired, you know exactly what you'll be flying and where.
@@CWLemoine what is the most you can do to get selected? I know that some of it is out of our control but would good grades be all you can do?
Flying hours, good grades, high AFOQT/PCSM, volunteer work, being a good dude when you show up, etc.
@@CWLemoine alright, and my last question is this: If I go to community college for even just a year before I transfer to a better school with ROTC would that lessen my chances of being selected?
In the reserves/guard? No. In ROTC, it depends. Just a year - probably not. It's not uncommon, but anything more than 1-2 years puts you at a disadvantage when competing against other cadets.
I want to go learn to fly but flight school costs so much lol
Try the military. If you have a degree and can pass the flight physical you can try the Air Force, Marines or Navy; if you have a high school diploma you can try the Army's Warrant Officer program...
Yes, but EVERYONE has the same problem, except those who go to military flight school. There are loans available, gov't Dept of Transportation training programs, and HUGE sign on bonuses from the regionals, etc that will QUICKLY let you pay back your loans. But YOU have to dedicate yourself to the task.
@@sb859 see I didn’t know about military flight school for an option I thought you strictly had to go to flight school first and then join the airforce and work for a pilot spot. As everyone can tell, I know absolutely nothing about this.
Check out the Guidebook in the description.
I think people want to feel wanted whatever they do for a living. The flying part is fun but at the end of the day if your treated like a disposable rag doll it becomes an easy choice to say ok i’ve had my fun and move on
I haven’t even graduated high school yet 💀
Keep working!
There are many here who envy you. Don’t miss out. Others may live vicariously through celebrities or sports people. Guess what…..
Get in there and make us all happy….
IRR'ing people, I wonder why...
"make them tell you no, so I can move on"
Move on?
Why is now the best time? He didn’t say in the video.
Yes, I did. Because units are hiring and there's a shortage.
@@CWLemoineut why are they hiring though? There’s always a pilot shortage. How is now different?
Why doesn't really matter if you're interested in becoming a military pilot. Just get your app in and don't self eliminate. Don't overthink it.
because nuclear war is on the horizon
If I was younger, man & still believed the US government aligned w righteousness...
Will they take a 48 year old partial color blind plumber
don't join the us air force tho only a regarded person would do that
Too damned old at this point!
Ive spoken with some army recruiters about flying helos.
The dream was always to fly a fighter. Navy or Air Force didnt matter. Ive never had the $$$ to finish flight school.
I'm 33 now which is the age limit. Whats the chance of overcoming that requirement?
Wish I knew the ANG was a thing 😢
If only I didn't have a genetics issue that automatically rejects me from enlisting.
LOL at anyone who joins the US 🤡 military
Mr. Lemoine i respectfully disagree with you abou having people piloting aircraft. With the current unmanned airships and leaps in AI. One pilot will be commanding 100 or more aircrafts. Even that one pilot may be sitting ing a chair watching screens. Swarming and other techniques will change the entire battle field to 4 dimensional. Humans do not have the ability. ( there is work on 5 dimemsional operational awareness
You're free to disagree. But unless you've done this job, your opinion isn't backed up by anything factual. I also can't take the opinion of anyone that uses the word "aircrafts" seriously. Sorry.
Retention is problem likely due to the pilots leaving for Ukraine to de-level ruski very soon.
i will not die for israel
I don't remember that being in the brochure.
@@CWLemoine if its not for israel its gonna be for taiwan, lol
@@wingmanemu3473well if you’re a good pilot they can’t get ya 😎
@@evanm6739 totally missed the point... sigh
Get your chance to die in WWIII for a dying empire.