@@nazario1831 i always wonder if MJ would have 8 rings were he the one in Houston and Portland instead of Pippen. Barkley would sure be in shape just like Rodman and that stacked team of Portland would have the best closer to ever play the game.
If we go by the idea that MJ was instrumental to the evolution of Pippen at both offensive and defensive ends since he played him everyday, I doubt Pippen would be the same player if he was drafted by any other team other than Chicago.
In my honest opinion, I feel this is the best educated guess. Look at how aloof he is here. Look at the confidence difference between this interview and a jordan interview. Then look at the good he was in the last dance doc. Oakley was punking him and I think slapped him and he just took it. Pippen didn't have the fire to be great. Mj lifted this dude. Under anyone else, pippen isn't what he becomes. He might be a fine player, but I don't think 6 time all star.
100% Pippen became great because he had the greatest player ever pushing him and coaching him. Lets never forget Pippen was nothing when he first enter the league, thinking he would be as good as he was without MJ it's bonkers
he really was. only 2 negative things were pointed out and Pippen said he would do it again to both of those things. So really, he made himself look bad, not the last dance
I have a meme saved with Pippen pointing to his Air Jordan's, at the camera, in 94 or 95, looking like he wanted MJ to come back. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. WIthout MJ and Phil, Scottie wouldn't have been shaped to be the great that he was, he'd never be ready to beat the Pistons. Sorry, but now it's clear Scottie is too far gone in his own lies and delusions. Edit: I remember some excerpts of Scottie and his family visiting MJ's and the kids would even call him "uncle Pip".
Jordan has mentioned Scotty so many times on Last Dance and also in his Hall of Fame speech, always and always, in the first place, and always said that Pippen was his best partner ever in his entire basketball career. Jordan has never said a bad word about Pippen, never
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't MJ's opening line in his HOF speech "You didn't just see me, you saw Scottie Pippen" It's sad what envy can do to a man and what it did to Pippen
@TygerClawGaming Yes, that's how it was and in the last dance documentary he said that the best teammate of all time was Scottie Pippen and that he had the greatest respect for Scotty Pippen and in the advertisement for NBA 2k17 I think he was asked about his all time starting five: And the very first person he mentioned was Pippen, then Magic, then James Worthy and Hakeem Olajuwon and of course himself.
Sad thing is if he felt the last dance put him in a light that diminished his greatness but the reality is Scottie is doing it to himself. I witnessed the migraine and the game he refused to go in the game and for me I thought he was a spoiled brat for not going in but never said he wasn't one of the 50 greatest but the way he has acted over the documentary is crazy but you can't tell someone what to be offended by.
Pippen had no Nike deals without Jordan, pippen is not on the dream team without Jordan. Jordan always have this man his respect and props even when pippen wasn't able to play cuz of his back. This guy talking shit about Jordan, but jordan never quit on his team like pippen did several times
24:50 BS.. Scotty Pippen got his first set of golf clubs as a gift from Jordan, he said so himself.... and then they never when to play together? Overall Scottie has improved, but the fact that he was never alone with Jordan in all those years?? he also did his training with Jordan every day, the famous Breakfast Club Jordan, Harper and Pippen. And then he says he's never been on the basketball court in Jordan's house??? that's not possible. They trained there. Or when Dennis Rodman was supposed to come to the Bulls, they met at Jordan's house to discuss it and to meet Dennis. Plus Jordan had his Michael Jordan Restaurant in Chicago, where he was eating with a lot of peoples, and never with Pippen? or after the championship win that they both sat next to each other on the bus or the one time when Jordan was sitting in a suite in Chicago United Center, I think, and then Scottie came in and they hugged each other warmly and chatted The other time where Scottie and Jordan watched a whole game together on the sidelines ( which became a meme because Jordan was laughing and his head was on Pippen shoulder) When Pippen had birthday and turned 47 in 2012, there is a photo of Pippen and Jordan together (Plus, the wifes and Ahmad Rashad) Et cetera et cetera et cetera
I am surprised that Pippen was angry about the Last Dance being about MJ, but ok with this interview being 80% about MJ from his POV. I guess that like in the 90s, he has accepted he'll never be out of MJ's shadow
Mj has praised pippen multiple times throughout the years, pippen has done nothing but try and downplay mj, now who has the problem? I'm a pippen guy, I absolutely think he was a important piece to the bulls success, mj has admitted this time after time
12:53 Scottie Pippen’s humor…..he probably has been trolling during this entire interview…..he says “three-three” or 33 at 12:42 because that’s his jersey number, so 3+3 = 6 ……”I still get my six”. And then he says that Michael Jordan would be somewhere with LeBron at 12:53 “two-three” or 23, because both Michael Jordan and LeBron James wore the #23 jersey, so he says that he thought that LeBron James had 5 because 2 + 3 = 5. Scottie Pippen knows that LeBron James has 4 championships, but he’s trolling PBD again. I don’t think that a player like Scottie Pippen would have a serious conversation about basketball with a fan. So he’s just trolling and playing around. I’m sure that he’s serious here and there, but he’s definitely shaqtin’ a fool in this moment.
what the efff are you talking about.. ITS CLEAR.. ITS CLEAR.... he said i would probably have 6.... Jordan would probably have 2 or 3? or FIVE? Jesus WHAT IS PIPPEN .. WHAT IS YOU talking about... YOU DOING TRIG on Pippen's Answer.. PIPPEN DON'T EVEN KNOW TRIG... (sorry based).
@@slavche Haha You’re slow and you don’t get around dudes like this enough. Plus he never said, “or 5” so you might have a hearing problem too. I don’t see how someone says 2, 3, or 5……this doesn’t even make sense to a child.
@@slavche Haha Well obviously someone like you wouldn’t understand those kinds of jokes. And the hearing impaired heard “or five”…..I think that if he said “2 or 3 or 5”, then even a child would find that strange. Someone like you would’ve thought it normal if he said, “1 or 2 or 10”. Smh. 🤦♂️
13:14 I think that he’s just saying 6 because of his jersey number (3-3) and he said 2-3, but then says he thought that LeBron had 5, so he’s just adding the jersey numbers. I’ve seen enough Bulls documentaries and I’ve been in enough barbershops with these 50+/60+ old-school dudes to know their kind of sense of humor. Plus Scottie Pippen was smiling hard when he said the answers -> 12:55.
Scottie left out the part where he withheld offering Jordan condolences over his father's death which is seemingly the straw that broke the camel's back as far as their friendship is concerned.
Well, MJ never said Scottie was his best friend, so no one should be surprised by some of the things Scottie has said. But one great question would have been to expand on his Hall of Fame speech when he said, "MJ, you have touched so many people’s lives, but not like mine. Thank you for being the best teammate. I will always cherish that experience, and I will cherish our relationship forever." What relationship was he talking about? Was he lying just to make people think they were buddies? Or is he lying about it now? Maybe he said so many awful things about MJ that MJ will never talk to him again so why not tell everyone that they were never that close? I mean we don't know the truth and we may never will, but there are too many things that don't head up to me!
Absolutely one of the craziest and best podcasts I've watched/heard in awhile. I dunno if I can even trust what Scottie says because he's contradicting everything he's saying.
Agree. Craziest is Pippen's claim to win 6 rings if drafted by Atlanta. My guess is If he can't win in Portland and Houston after winning 6 with MJ, imagine what player Pippen would be without playing MJ on a daily basis. Would he be like Orlando Woodridge? MJ's impact to other players just by talking to them is clear. Ask Mashburn or Rip Hamilton. Pippen should be thankful he played with MJ
Whatever his personal motivations, Scottie cemented his ice out from MJ by demeaning their efforts and disrespecting Phil Jackson. No matter what happens moving forward, there is no way he could ever roll back the damage he did to the legacy of that team and I’m sure that’s unforgivable to a guy like MJ.
@ I know, man. It sucks. But the way I read it when he said brief and final was that it was directed from Mike’s end. I think if Scottie went to him privately and said some things it could be patched, but MJ is too image conscious to keep Scottie on board that way after his public allegations and insults. It’s done.
I think it’s important to respect the amount of control over your ego you need to have to be as humble as Scottie had been up until recent memory. When you’re part of something on that level of greatness but playing second fiddle, you’re literally known around the world as number two. I’m sure most of the time that’s a great thing but at the same time I can see how after decades the word “Robin” can become haunting. It’s like a constant reminder that you’re not the best. Add in general crankiness/elevated concern over legacy that comes with aging, a documentary where you feel under appreciated and the son of #1 banging your ex-wife and you get what we see here. I’m not mad at Scottie and I’m not really even disappointed in him, it’s just a sad situation. Yet another example of how greatness can damage someone’s heart and mind. Reminds me of how the Beatles often treated each other post-break up.
Micheal Jordan gifted Pippin a club set for golfing when he joined the bulls. But pippin felt Jordan just wanted take everyones money on the greens. Its in pippins book. He elaborates on alot of this.
22:31 Jordan has never done anything else, in his Hall of Fame speech, in the last dance, and even now, every time he is asked about it, every time he says that Scottir was his best teammate and so on and so forth. And sometimes when the friendship is over, then it's over. just look up your friends from school and try to contact him and revive the friendship, it won't work.
Thats why i was hoping scottie would apologize here instead of whatever this is. When you publicly slander your old friend its only appropriate to publicly apologize for it. That is if you want that friend. I dont think pippen wants mj anymore so he refuses
Being a leader is sometimes the loneliest position to be in. Scottie admitted to having so much disdain for Mike, he purposely didn't reach out to him when his father was murdered. Mike didn't even realize that I til he said it in his book. So it goes both ways.
I’m 23.33 min in and I just had to stop it and ask have folks (generally speaking) forgotten that Pippen’s wife left him for MJ’s son? That alone is enough to tank the best of friendships, and the interviewer seems to want Pip to say that out loud on the podcast like it’s for views. That’s just bad form. Full stop. K now I’m gonna finish. Excellent reaction btw!
Cant imagine how you feel, seeing you like childhood favorite duo or one of them, and realizing they arent close anymore or werent ever close like that. It will be like Pau saying Kobe and him fell off or never were close
Yeah. This has been hard for me since 2020 when he started saying crazy things. At the very least i always hoped the respect would always remain but now all I see is jealousy. It sucks
Scottie has become such a sad figure. He doesn't want to admit he said all the junk he's said in the last few years. He should've spent all the time since The Last Dance came out bragging about he and MJ being the best duo in NBA history. Instead, he turned into a bitter old man before he even got old. I hate all the hypotheticals this interviewer poses. Dude, what could have happened did. Just a waste of time. While speculating might be fun, it's a stupid exercise. Pippen, if you could have won 6 without MJ, you would have. You couldn't even win one without MJ, and you had your chances. It's not good enough to be a BIG part of a double 3-peat. Oh no, you've got to put MJ down. Pathetic. You've become a sad, bitter braggadocio.
that's all it would take here. Just admit what you said about MJ and Phil was out of line. Apologize and say there were a lot of personal things going on his life during that time...which we all know is true. Then everyone will understand and forgive. Instead....he's evading it at all costs. I don't respect that
He is right that who in the Bulls would have stopped him but Jordan and Pippen were the reason for both of their success! Would they have won without each other, yes. Would they have been as successful, no.
anyway if he was playing with Wilkins then he'd be warming the bench for Wilkins. They are both SF's and Wilkins was already a star when Pip was drafted...
In Pippins book he talks abt his mind set coming into the league. He was scouted by the bulls because they could see his skill set and athleticism. He was going to develope into a good player. People saying we wouldnt even know who he is dont know basketball. Jordan was a great offensive force in the 80s. But playing the triangle and being an all around team player is something else. Pip and Jordan learned together. They pushed each other. Pip had potential. Acting like in any other situation hed be a bum is crazy. There were other good teams with good coaches. No one has 6 rings unless pippin and jordan play together. You couldnt replace pip on that team with some other random super star and expect it to work. Pip played a very specific role.
36:35 Scottie and his kids should have instead been more turned off by what their Mother was out there doing. Embarrassing them and the family name. Instead he goes on a witch-hunt to smear Mike for simply telling the truth.
What I took away from this interview is Pippen seemed to desire money more than being apart of a dynasty. He asked Scottie if he’d rather have 50 -100 million dollars or a ring Pippen picked the money right away. He’ll always be bitter about that money he missed out on.
17:49 Scottie knows he could defensively devastate a Barkley offense, because we saw him do it in 94 and 95, using his quickness to front and work around Charles. But Pippem knows he couldn’t handle Malone in the same way. This is a good humble answer from him.
Scottie bless his heart for just wanting to feel his own individuality away from the image of MJ. For us fans looking from the outside, our relationship as fan to these sports celebs and in our selfish way too, want that sweet image of at least hopefully they get together again.
I really love Scottie, and I'm glad he looks healthy here, smiling But I feel that if he didn't play and learn under Michael , he would not have been half as good as he became
Yes. But this is happening cuz he was supposed to clear the air after all the bashing he did to mj a few years ago. So the interviewer is giving him to the open door to do so in every way but Scottie keeps evading it.
In all those scenarios, Scottie forgets that he doesn't become THE Scottie Pippen without MJ pushing him. He is looking at all those scenarios from the perch of a battle-hardened 6-time champion, which is not what he would be in all those scenarios. He didn't come into the league instantly a defensive juggernaut. He became that by playing alongside and feeding off MJ's competitive vibe, and Michael feeding off him and them being a great duo. I don't doubt he would still have been a great player. Jordan would still be the same Jordan in all those scenarios, but Scottie will be something else.
I’ve really enjoyed this interview over the last few days. I do think as Jordan is known to be fairly social some of the non socializing probably is indicative of Pippens personality, and some may be that after the first few seasons when MJ became the leader he was fully, he may have spent more of that social energy with non teammates. Possibly.
I think he stopped watching when the documentary talked about the fact that he sat out at the end of a playoff game because he seemed pissed that Mike put that in there when it had nothing to do with the actual last dance but Mike was just giving context
There was tons of stuff in there that didn't have to do with the final season. It was all the context that made it great. Like Jordan coming back in 95 just to lose to the Magic wasn't MJs favorite moment, or all the gambling drama, or the Isaiah Thomas drama, but all that stayed in too.
When it comes to broken relationships, I don’t believe any outsider can catalyze reconciliation. The two people have to mutually find it within themselves to want to repair the relationship and it more or less has to happen within the same period of time. The reality is simply that no one knows the benefits of the relationship better than the people that were in it and those benefits obviously weren’t enough to keep them together. Simply getting over the bad may be enough to temper any hostility, but the two sides can’t truly get back together without finding new ways to be good.
It's tough to see your heroes part ways for, i would say, nothing. MJ didn't say anything bad about Pip, not while they played 2gether, not after, not even in the "Last dance" , quit the opposite, he always mentioned Pip, praised him as a bb player and a friend. Even in his HOF speach lol like another gentleman pointed out. Pip, on the other hand, since he got in the "analyst" position with LEspn, often changed sides and got back on his comments, actually many times he didn't even tell the truth so my point is, take whatever he says now with care, not as undisputed truth. But, even so, let's say the MJ text to him is true. So, MJ had to learn from tv that his friend, Pippen, is mad with him(strike one). He did reach to his friend to ask him what's up but said friend cut ties(strike two). And after that, just a slew of horrors from said friend while not even a bad word from MJ in response(strike three). And i don't think he realizes he's making his case worse with this. Cause otherwise, we all thought that he got mad about the doc series and MJ didn't try to mend fences, they didn't talk to each other since. But wait, now we know that MJ tried to... Btw, i didn't see MJ refusing to play and throwing tantrums but i saw Pip so...that kind of says everything about character as well.
No issue with them not hanging out etc. because we as fans sometimes get lost in the romanticizing (so to speak) of the players' personal relationships, without considering the fact that not all personalities will be amenable to each other.
The MJ of football Cristiano Ronaldo said ""When I was at Manchester winning the Champions League, with some [legendary] players like Giggs, Ferdinand and Scholes our discussions were limited to 'Good morning' and 'Good night.' But when we were on the pitch together there was total understanding. [In madrid] I don't need to go out for dinner with Benzema or Bale. What counts is what happens on the pitch" - ended up winning multiple titles in both instances.
at this point I just hope Pippen is done bashing Jordan and calling Phil racist etc. Stop crapping on what they all accomplished together just because of jealousy
Knife in my heart, Scottie... Ouch. It's so hard to decipher what's really going on...I mean, I swear I've seen video of Jordan and Pippen golfing together. Also, being from Chicago, there were sightings of MJ and Scottie about town. Ugh I don't know what to think...
Scottie Pippen has 1 million percent the cause of the tension between him and Jordan!!! Jordan said "Scottie Pippen made kind of a selfish decision to wait until the season began to get his surgery done instead of the Summer because it cost the Bulls a half season without Pippen" which is an absolute 100% FACT!!! Michael Jordan wouldn't have ever put Scottie Pippen and the Bulls in that position and everyone (who is old enough to have watched Jordan play and remember how serious Jordan took his job) knows that and would bet their house on that fact especially knowing how irritated Jordan was with the Bulls ownership when they wouldn't allow him to play very much after breaking his foot!!! And Scottie Pippen only has himself to blame for the criticism that he's received after "The Last Dance" because he doubled down on his comment refusing to re-enter the game because of the play being drawn up for Kukoc and "Not ruining his Summer by getting his surgery because of his contract stuff" even though he was told blatantly by Jerry Reinsdorf "I wouldn't sign this deal if I was you" but Scottie Pippen signed it anyway and before Jerry Reinsdorf finalized it he again blatantly told Scottie Pippen "Don't come back to me and ask to have your contract restructured" and again Pippen signed it anyway, him pulling that shit was a million percent based on selfishness PERIOD!!!
I have no problem with Scottie saying he is the greatest of all time, he was trying to sell a book, and look if Lebron can call himself the GOAT, I have no problem with Scottie saying it. Better basketball IQ then Lebron
Without Jordan, he would not have one. Not one. Atlanta was a better team in the 80s than the Bulls. The difference was Mike. We wouldn’t know Scottie without Mike. We still knew Mike regardless of Scottie.
Another thing, living through the 80s and 90s, you saw Mike and Pip together all the time, but now they were never friends. Was he (Scottie) faking it the whole time?
That’s funny that scottie is saying he would get his 6 regardless because I don’t remember him having the ball much in the fourth QRT when it was winning time. There is a reason Phil went with kukoc when MJ was retired instead of scottie
I’ve said it for years. Pippen without Jordan is not a top 75 player. He would’ve been a nice player. But not someone that anyone that average fans would’ve remembered.
32:00 :So, how often has Pippen changed his mind who the GOAT is? sometimes it's Jordan, sometimes LeBron , sometimes he even says that it is himself or Wilt qChamberlain When he gets ask about his favorite teamate, he always said Jordan in the past, for a while he said LeBron, now he says Jordan again Of course everyone can change their opinion, but the question is how often do you change? and do you have a good reason for the change of opinion? And hechanges his opinion more than once a year and his reasons are either very weak or he doesn't give any reasons at all
Thank you always for the content! It's tough for Scottie because whenever they see him, I bet they probably ask what it was like to play with Mike. And what if one of the arguments he had with his ex.Wife was her telling him to be more like Mike. Then, MJ's son sleeps with his ex-wife. Oh, also, Michael is a billionaire, 😂😮😅😊. I would hate Michael as well. Well, not really. I would be happy to have played with the greatest player during my time!
People need to know that at this point Scottie has 6 rings and that is why he wants the money I hope more than anything he and Michael mend their relationship
33:20 yep. Riley literally owns the “hire a lawyer throw some legal papers at the patent office” trademark on Three-peat. He filed it while with the lakers.
It’s not fair that Pippen has to live in MJ’s shadow. This interview was about Pippen, why does it always have to be about Jordan?! I would be upset too if I was always asked about the same person. MJ deserves all the props for what the Bulls did, but Scottie deserves his respect too.
the reason he is asking about Jordan is because this was supposed to be Pippens opportunity to make things right after all the terrible things he said about Jordan starting in 2020. But Pippen pulled a wild card and is evading it at all costs.
Pip couldn't win with the same team Jordan won 3 with and begged MJ to come back. He couldn't win anything the Blazers and that team was deep. He couldnt win anything with Barkley and Hakeem. Yeah who gonna stop 19ppg?😂😂😂 Without MJ he wouldnt even have averaged that. Pip is a straight up 🤡 "Mike couldnt keep Charles down" 😂😂😂 This man kept Dennis Rodman for 3 years.
Earlier in the video where he was talking about if it was him and Wilkens. I mean..... I could see a scenario where that would make sense. Because Dominique was a savage as well. And MJ would need more than Kenny Smith lol.... Kenny go get MJ some water doesn't = championships 😂😂😂😂 However, Scottie never plays with MJ, does he turn into the Scottie Pippen we knew? Idk if Dominique would've been able to bring the best out of Scottie like that. Or Clyde ( who was freaking awesome as well ) where as I think the scenario where MJ and Barkley together they would probably get 3 maybe 4 rings. Chuck couldn't defend like Scottie which puts far more pressure on MJ to be that stopper. Which means he gets no rest at all. And to me that's the biggest difference. Now if let's say MJ Chuck and Harper together ( a little earlier than when Harper joined the Bulls ) then yeah I could see those 3 together winning 5 or 6 rings just because Harper was an excellent defender and MJ could take a break on the defensive end sometimes. Idk maybe I'm trippin with what I'm sayin
@TheRealMindCrime Pippen could've played the 2 guard. Think about it, if he guarded 1-4 sometimes he could play it on offense. Especially before the back issues limited his mobility. Him and T-mac were basically the same height and he played both the 2 and the 3 on both ends. And both were only like an inch or 2 taller than MJ. And I'd say that MJ fella turned out to be ok-ish
Scottie totally watched the Last Dance 😂. I think a lot of truths were told but a lot of weird things that are bullshit were also told. I think MJ really elevated Scottie, and all the credit to Pip for doing the work, but I think theres a master/apprentice relationship there and Scottie never got over that. Even though MJ seems to have always had his back. Idk scotties face creeps me out when he says some of this crap, like he inhaled joker’s laughing gas.
Of course he wathed it! We can see him making crap up on the spot when he says these things. And I know....this is Pippens villian arc. Mask is off still and he's full of anger and hatred now
You have to understand, if Pippen never went to Chicago, he wouldn't have been the player he was. Remember his first playoff series, he scored 0 points in 19mins. You can't take Scottie too seriously. He elevates MJ and the next he disparage him. You're right, Ron Harper hung out with MJ he was even part of his air Jordan commercial.
4:59 Michael in the 70s, here is where we have to recognize that if Doctor J didn’t exist, Michael wouldn’t have seen the possibilities. Everything builds off what has been done before. Unfortunately today the rules allow for like fifty guys to think they are doing what MJ did, but it’s not the same. But Dr J leading into MJ was a natural progression.
I was one of the hopeful in a bridge being built between Scottie and Mike, but yeah, after this episode I may retract my hope! At this point I think it's become clear as day that Scottie is dog sick and tired of always being asked questions about Mike! He hung in there for the Bulls ride, but even then it was evident it was MJ putting in the yards for their "friendship". I call Scottie's bluff! I'm almost certain there was an interview back in the day where Scottie (and Horace) professed to training with Mike at his house, going over tape, and fine-tuning moves and strategies! He's done this with Jamal Crawford, Carmello Anthony, why wouldn't he have with his strongest support on his own team! Scottie right now is exuding nothing but supreme jealousy, and snide animosity.
@TheRealMindCrime it's a damn shame. He really was one of my favorite players (still is) but his character is staining his relationships and his legacy!
He’s uneasy when ask about his personal relationship with him. In games they were best of buddies but something different between them outside of the court. It’s a sad truth.
There is a lot to unpack here. Scotty needs some help in soothing his self inflicted pain called jealousy. I think if Scotty had won a chip without Mj their relationship would have being different. There are many people out here like Mj and Scotty.
This is what resentment will do to someone. I think Scottie Pippen is like Kobe without the ability to overcome without Shaq but kept the ego. Scottie had the opportunity to win without Jordan. Rather than sweat it out and build himself up to win as the star, he wanted Jordan back. The truth is Scottie Pippen was a great, all-around teammate, and he believes he should get as much praise for being a great role player as Michael did for being the star. He feels like he helped put Michael in position to be known as the greatest but is denied that credit. Or maybe, he feels like calling Michael the greatest for winning six rings discounts his contribution. Or maybe, he's just insanely jealous he couldn't be as great as MJ. Idk, but it's very disturbing to witness.
There are photo's of MJ at Scottie's birthday party ...I just looked at one (they are arm-in-arm -- looks like out at restaurant or something). It's tough because we know MJ couldn't go out in public or he would get mobbed (although there were places in Chicago where they accommodated his privacy). But nobody carried cameras back then. If people did carry cameras, I would bet anything there would be photos of MJ and Scottie over all those years tho (outside of work).
@ in most of your videos including this one, you sometimes used the starting year only though which ends up confusing. So going forward, I think you should use the end year in general. Anyway, keep up the good work! 👍
Yeah Scottie went off the rails at the end I get the feeling it was a mutual falling out but we also can't forget Scottie did not offer condolences to MJ for his father and MJ never thought about it until Scottie illuded to it being intentional. This got awkward near the end Pippen was very uncomfortable he really does not like talking about Jordan and he kept getting asked about MJ and Pat did not move on from it.
Yeah this was a hard watch. I think Patrick was under the impression pippen came here to clear the air but whenever pippen gets the opportunity to he refuses and evades. Its an awkward interview
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah for sure! It actually made me hurt seeing how hurt Scottie seemed when he mentioned the talk with him and MJ was final. Here's hoping those guys can at some point bury the hatchet but I won't hold my breath sadly. Nobody holds a grudge like MJ he's the GOAT at that too lol
TBH we all know Scottie would win absolutely nothing without Jordan, the biggest reason is he’s in Jordan’s era, all Jordan needed was good role player, 98 season was the best series to prove it, those “Jordan can’t win without Scottie” narrative brainwashed him, he would’ve been one of those stars win no rings in Jordan’s era.
the reason he is asking about Jordan is because this was supposed to be Pippens opportunity to make things right after all the terrible things he said about Jordan starting in 2020. But Pippen pulled a wild card and is evading it at all costs.
Ima be honest here. Even tho Pippen looks a bit crazy, you can clearly see in the last dance that MJ is always alone, I even believe that Pippen never really liked MJ. I'm an orchestra musician and we have a couple of players in the orchestra that are great, amazing players but are impossible to hang with, we always practice together and everything music they are available, but outside that nobody ever speaks to them, I can clearly see it with MJ, he was and still is just a lone wolf and cares only about winning, not everyone can be his friend.
20:14 from the age of 10 to 32 I had a best friend for 22 years, then we grew further and further apart and rarely saw each, then we had no contact at all for three years. and I thought, man, you only live once, and I just tried to contact him again, and it just didn't work. I hardly heard back from him. (And coincidentally, my mother died at the time I had contacted him, and he didn't even come to the funeral or ask about it or anything, even though he was a often at home with us as a teenager/kid) and I think that once something, a relationship, a friendship, whatever, has ended, in 99.9% of cases never revive it, that's just how life is, unfortunately.
The only person Pippen would have won a championship is MJ. People don’t count for MJ actually raising him up in the league. Dressler would have never done that, therefore Pippen wouldn’t have been that level of a player. Great player raise the level on other players.
Scottie is lying full stop. He had Jordan induct him into the hall of fame, and in that speech he called Jordan a close and great friend while Jordan is standing there next to him. They also trained together in the first threepeat. And there's multiple videos of Jordan taking scottie with him to go golf during the championships and the dream team. Go watch it
8:15 some would be all hardcore “what you said money?” I grew up poor too. Not even as bad as Pippen. It leaves a mark on you. Always stressed. I get where he’s coming from
Possible if he stayed in Seattle. Payton, Kemp, Pippen. But they would beat the Bulls, Lakers, the Rockets and the Jazz first. You cannot predict 6 rings regardless were you play.
the problem i have with the whole thing is Pippen was built in Chicago by being Jordans partner. Without that then I don't imagine Pippen would ever become the all around player we got to watch
I know it seems weird “wow they’re a TEAM” these guys they worked together. There’s plenty of people “that dude is awesome at what he does but I don’t need to spend extra time with him”
that's fair, it's not so much about whether they're close or not. Its that Pippen bashed Jordan constantly from 2020 on. I can not wanna hang out with someone and also not say a bunch of slander about them
Pippen saying he'd get 6 without Jordan is a bit much, but I can admit that Wilkins and Pippen is a much better duo than Kenny Smith and MJ. Jordan doesn't win 6 with Kenny.
Sorry but Pippen just pissed me off cause he's lying! If anyone with eyes and ears goes back to watch that Dream Team documentary, you can see Michael Jordan pulling on and calling Pippen to get on the bus to go so they can go golfing. That's bs! Scottie still has hate in his heart for Jordan and it's coming from a place of jealously.
well said! That's why this was so hard for me to react to. I know what he's saying isn't true and I'm dumbfounded that he thinks if he says he didn't see a certain thing or whatever than that means it didn't happen. We all have eyes and ears
17:44 I know this is all hypothetical, but …. T. Porter C. Drexler S. Pippen B. Williams & K. Duckworth ?!?! I ain’t sayin it’s guaranteed but that woulda been a HELL of a starting 5 🔥🔥….. (I’m just sayin) 🤷🏾♂️
I'm not sure how MJ feels about the situations with Barkley, Pippen, Isiah etc. I would say life is too short for grudges but maybe he is at peace with how things ended up. Scottie, on the other hand, definitely seems a bit bitter, that he was underpaid was pretty universally recognized even at the time, but is it just that? I can imagine it must be annoying being asked about MJ instead of yourself all the time, but I think you kind of have to expect it will come up eventually, especially during long interviews. Still, it is a shame about everything. I remember a few years back they even had some sort of tour with Pippen, Longley (?) and some others where they would disparage the Bulls' teams and their legacy. I don't know, was it the same with other great teams before or was there really something toxic with the Bulls? I would imagine e.g. someone like AC Green didn't really approve of what the Lakers were doing, but I don't remember him going on some revenge tour about it. Maybe players from before simply decided to let things lie in the past.
14:20 first of all if they don’t pick Scottie, Scottie doesn’t become the player he became, and the bulls would’ve just picked Kevin Johnson who in my opinion if he practices and guards Michael everyday in practice he becomes a better player then Scottie. 🤷🏾♂️ so I think Jordan maybe get 7. Because Johnson would’ve been more help in 89-90 seasons as well.
I reckon Scottie's just taking the piss, he's got a glint in his eye when he says all the controversial stuff, seems like he's just so sick of the whole GOAT debate (which he feels isn't important in a team game) and is being controversial for the hell of it. All these hypothetical questions are daft too, I would probably be stringing this guy along too if I was sat there and all the talk was about my team mate. We'd call him a wind-up merchant over here. 😄
We got to see a Scottie Pippen without Micheal Jordan. 2 years in Chicago, in Houston and then Portland. I don’t see any rings during that time.
you're not lying
@@nazario1831 i think that pippen without MJ, wouldn’t be able to “unlock” and max his skills
@@nazario1831 i always wonder if MJ would have 8 rings were he the one in Houston and Portland instead of Pippen. Barkley would sure be in shape just like Rodman and that stacked team of Portland would have the best closer to ever play the game.
If we go by the idea that MJ was instrumental to the evolution of Pippen at both offensive and defensive ends since he played him everyday, I doubt Pippen would be the same player if he was drafted by any other team other than Chicago.
I agree. Those tough practices with MJ would have never shaped Pippen.
In my honest opinion, I feel this is the best educated guess. Look at how aloof he is here. Look at the confidence difference between this interview and a jordan interview. Then look at the good he was in the last dance doc. Oakley was punking him and I think slapped him and he just took it. Pippen didn't have the fire to be great. Mj lifted this dude. Under anyone else, pippen isn't what he becomes. He might be a fine player, but I don't think 6 time all star.
100% Pippen became great because he had the greatest player ever pushing him and coaching him. Lets never forget Pippen was nothing when he first enter the league, thinking he would be as good as he was without MJ it's bonkers
for sure. MJ challenged Pippen every day in practice and slowly but surely Pippen became the all around player we all appreciated
not only would he not win six rings, we probably wouldn't even know who he is
yep he even played w/out mj a few years on great teams and got zero rings
No
Pippen was portrayed good in the last dance. Mike gave him props. Always has.
he really was. only 2 negative things were pointed out and Pippen said he would do it again to both of those things. So really, he made himself look bad, not the last dance
I have a meme saved with Pippen pointing to his Air Jordan's, at the camera, in 94 or 95, looking like he wanted MJ to come back. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. WIthout MJ and Phil, Scottie wouldn't have been shaped to be the great that he was, he'd never be ready to beat the Pistons. Sorry, but now it's clear Scottie is too far gone in his own lies and delusions. Edit: I remember some excerpts of Scottie and his family visiting MJ's and the kids would even call him "uncle Pip".
Yeah, I remember that was in that 94-95 season
I was going to post about Scottie pointing to the Jordan's asking MJ to come back, because the Bulls didn't win without Jordan.
100% yeah that image of pippen pointing to the bottom of shoes (MJ logo) asking him to come back will forever be in my mind
Isn't one of the overlying reasons their relationship was fractured was after mj found out why Scottie didn't Go to Jordans father's funeral
@ what was the reason?
Jordan has mentioned Scotty so many times on Last Dance and also in his Hall of Fame speech, always and always, in the first place, and always said that Pippen was his best partner ever in his entire basketball career. Jordan has never said a bad word about Pippen, never
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't MJ's opening line in his HOF speech "You didn't just see me, you saw Scottie Pippen" It's sad what envy can do to a man and what it did to Pippen
@TygerClawGaming Yes, that's how it was and in the last dance documentary he said that the best teammate of all time was Scottie Pippen and that he had the greatest respect for Scotty Pippen and in the advertisement for NBA 2k17 I think he was asked about his all time starting five:
And the very first person he mentioned was Pippen, then Magic, then James Worthy and Hakeem Olajuwon and of course himself.
Sad thing is if he felt the last dance put him in a light that diminished his greatness but the reality is Scottie is doing it to himself.
I witnessed the migraine and the game he refused to go in the game and for me I thought he was a spoiled brat for not going in but never said he wasn't one of the 50 greatest but the way he has acted over the documentary is crazy but you can't tell someone what to be offended by.
mj even lied for pippen.
100% his opening line in both the last dance and his hof speech was about when you speak my name you should speak pippens name too
Pippen had no Nike deals without Jordan, pippen is not on the dream team without Jordan. Jordan always have this man his respect and props even when pippen wasn't able to play cuz of his back. This guy talking shit about Jordan, but jordan never quit on his team like pippen did several times
100% facts.
100%^
You should do a podcast for every episode from the last dance. That will be pretty cool.
That would be cool as hell
shoot, I wish I could get away with it but ESPN would strike me down with all their might lol
24:50 BS.. Scotty Pippen got his first set of golf clubs as a gift from Jordan, he said so himself.... and then they never when to play together?
Overall Scottie has improved, but the fact that he was never alone with Jordan in all those years??
he also did his training with Jordan every day, the famous Breakfast Club Jordan, Harper and Pippen. And then he says he's never been on the basketball court in Jordan's house??? that's not possible. They trained there.
Or when Dennis Rodman was supposed to come to the Bulls, they met at Jordan's house to discuss it and to meet Dennis.
Plus Jordan had his Michael Jordan Restaurant in Chicago, where he was eating with a lot of peoples, and never with Pippen?
or after the championship win that they both sat next to each other on the bus
or the one time when Jordan was sitting in a suite in Chicago United Center, I think, and then Scottie came in and they hugged each other warmly and chatted
The other time where Scottie and Jordan watched a whole game together on the sidelines ( which became a meme because Jordan was laughing and his head was on Pippen shoulder)
When Pippen had birthday and turned 47 in 2012, there is a photo of Pippen and Jordan together (Plus, the wifes and Ahmad Rashad)
Et cetera et cetera et cetera
yeah, everything Pippen is saying here sounds fishy to me. It doesn't add up
@@TheRealMindCrime I also heard a story that Jordan gave him one of his ferrari as a gift.
I am surprised that Pippen was angry about the Last Dance being about MJ, but ok with this interview being 80% about MJ from his POV. I guess that like in the 90s, he has accepted he'll never be out of MJ's shadow
yeah at this point if he feels offended by Jordan than Pippen has gotten way with 100x more with all the Jordan bashing he's done since
19:42 From what little we know of Michael Jordan, I doubt that it was Scottie Pippen’s decision to never communicate with Michael Jordan ever again.
Mj has praised pippen multiple times throughout the years, pippen has done nothing but try and downplay mj, now who has the problem? I'm a pippen guy, I absolutely think he was a important piece to the bulls success, mj has admitted this time after time
@@bobbymoore2076 Michael Jordan is the GOAT and Scottie Pippen let public opinion stir his jealousy of The GOAT.
I dunno. MJ never said a bad thing about Pippen but pippen publically bashed Jordan. I think if he apologized MJ would take him back
@@rickortonwins agreed
You can hear it in Scotty voice he doesn’t even believe that but he kept a hell of a Poker Face 😂😂😂😂
lol true
12:53 Scottie Pippen’s humor…..he probably has been trolling during this entire interview…..he says “three-three” or 33 at 12:42 because that’s his jersey number, so 3+3 = 6 ……”I still get my six”. And then he says that Michael Jordan would be somewhere with LeBron at 12:53 “two-three” or 23, because both Michael Jordan and LeBron James wore the #23 jersey, so he says that he thought that LeBron James had 5 because 2 + 3 = 5. Scottie Pippen knows that LeBron James has 4 championships, but he’s trolling PBD again. I don’t think that a player like Scottie Pippen would have a serious conversation about basketball with a fan. So he’s just trolling and playing around. I’m sure that he’s serious here and there, but he’s definitely shaqtin’ a fool in this moment.
what the efff are you talking about.. ITS CLEAR.. ITS CLEAR.... he said i would probably have 6.... Jordan would probably have 2 or 3? or FIVE? Jesus WHAT IS PIPPEN .. WHAT IS YOU talking about... YOU DOING TRIG on Pippen's Answer.. PIPPEN DON'T EVEN KNOW TRIG... (sorry based).
@@slavche Haha You’re slow and you don’t get around dudes like this enough. Plus he never said, “or 5” so you might have a hearing problem too. I don’t see how someone says 2, 3, or 5……this doesn’t even make sense to a child.
@@slavche Haha Well obviously someone like you wouldn’t understand those kinds of jokes. And the hearing impaired heard “or five”…..I think that if he said “2 or 3 or 5”, then even a child would find that strange. Someone like you would’ve thought it normal if he said, “1 or 2 or 10”. Smh. 🤦♂️
@@slavcheHe said like LeBron 2-3. And then he said that he thought that LeBron had 5. He didn’t say 2 or 3 or 5. Watch the video again.
@@slavchedamn bro. Take a break from the internet for a while.
13:14 I think that he’s just saying 6 because of his jersey number (3-3) and he said 2-3, but then says he thought that LeBron had 5, so he’s just adding the jersey numbers. I’ve seen enough Bulls documentaries and I’ve been in enough barbershops with these 50+/60+ old-school dudes to know their kind of sense of humor. Plus Scottie Pippen was smiling hard when he said the answers -> 12:55.
Finally, thanks again!
One more part tomorrow!
Scottie left out the part where he withheld offering Jordan condolences over his father's death which is seemingly the straw that broke the camel's back as far as their friendship is concerned.
100% friendship is a 2 way street and him not at least checking in on MJ during that time is not a friend
Well, MJ never said Scottie was his best friend, so no one should be surprised by some of the things Scottie has said.
But one great question would have been to expand on his Hall of Fame speech when he said, "MJ, you have touched so many people’s lives, but not like mine. Thank you for being the best teammate. I will always cherish that experience, and I will cherish our relationship forever."
What relationship was he talking about? Was he lying just to make people think they were buddies? Or is he lying about it now? Maybe he said so many awful things about MJ that MJ will never talk to him again so why not tell everyone that they were never that close?
I mean we don't know the truth and we may never will, but there are too many things that don't head up to me!
exactly!!!
This thumbnail and title alone deserved a like, and my entire attention.
Thank you!!
I also watched BTM's reaction to this section yesterday, he was pretty upset about the whole thing.
Im gonna have to give it a watch tomorrow after i finish this podcast
Have you noticed how fast this guy reads? Too fast too good 😂
Absolutely one of the craziest and best podcasts I've watched/heard in awhile. I dunno if I can even trust what Scottie says because he's contradicting everything he's saying.
Thats why im on guard too. So many contradictions if you pay attention
Agree. Craziest is Pippen's claim to win 6 rings if drafted by Atlanta. My guess is If he can't win in Portland and Houston after winning 6 with MJ, imagine what player Pippen would be without playing MJ on a daily basis. Would he be like Orlando Woodridge? MJ's impact to other players just by talking to them is clear. Ask Mashburn or Rip Hamilton. Pippen should be thankful he played with MJ
Him Niq played the same position and Niq is not as good of defender as MJ or as dominant as MJ. Pippen would not have won any rings without MJ.
I agree, and Pippen would be on the bench subbing in for Wilkins
Whatever his personal motivations, Scottie cemented his ice out from MJ by demeaning their efforts and disrespecting Phil Jackson. No matter what happens moving forward, there is no way he could ever roll back the damage he did to the legacy of that team and I’m sure that’s unforgivable to a guy like MJ.
I was hoping this was were he'd repair the damage he has caused...but...nope...here we are
@ I know, man. It sucks. But the way I read it when he said brief and final was that it was directed from Mike’s end. I think if Scottie went to him privately and said some things it could be patched, but MJ is too image conscious to keep Scottie on board that way after his public allegations and insults. It’s done.
Morning time blessings my friend let the show begin
Good morning!!
I think it’s important to respect the amount of control over your ego you need to have to be as humble as Scottie had been up until recent memory. When you’re part of something on that level of greatness but playing second fiddle, you’re literally known around the world as number two. I’m sure most of the time that’s a great thing but at the same time I can see how after decades the word “Robin” can become haunting. It’s like a constant reminder that you’re not the best.
Add in general crankiness/elevated concern over legacy that comes with aging, a documentary where you feel under appreciated and the son of #1 banging your ex-wife and you get what we see here. I’m not mad at Scottie and I’m not really even disappointed in him, it’s just a sad situation. Yet another example of how greatness can damage someone’s heart and mind. Reminds me of how the Beatles often treated each other post-break up.
I think its time we stopped saying Batman and Robin. Captain and 1st officer sounds better. Or even #1 and #2 sounds better.
Micheal Jordan gifted Pippin a club set for golfing when he joined the bulls. But pippin felt Jordan just wanted take everyones money on the greens. Its in pippins book. He elaborates on alot of this.
22:31 Jordan has never done anything else, in his Hall of Fame speech, in the last dance, and even now, every time he is asked about it, every time he says that Scottir was his best teammate and so on and so forth.
And sometimes when the friendship is over, then it's over.
just look up your friends from school and try to contact him and revive the friendship, it won't work.
Thats why i was hoping scottie would apologize here instead of whatever this is. When you publicly slander your old friend its only appropriate to publicly apologize for it. That is if you want that friend. I dont think pippen wants mj anymore so he refuses
I find it more funny Patrick Ewing not wanting to watch the last dance 😂
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Its sad to see. I remember one clip where Scottie came up to MJ in one of those private room/skybox and just smiling and greeting each other.
I remember that fondly too!
Being a leader is sometimes the loneliest position to be in. Scottie admitted to having so much disdain for Mike, he purposely didn't reach out to him when his father was murdered. Mike didn't even realize that I til he said it in his book. So it goes both ways.
friendship is always a two way street.....Pippen burned his side of the bridge it seems
I’m 23.33 min in and I just had to stop it and ask have folks (generally speaking) forgotten that Pippen’s wife left him for MJ’s son? That alone is enough to tank the best of friendships, and the interviewer seems to want Pip to say that out loud on the podcast like it’s for views. That’s just bad form. Full stop. K now I’m gonna finish. Excellent reaction btw!
Thank you!
Cant imagine how you feel, seeing you like childhood favorite duo or one of them, and realizing they arent close anymore or werent ever close like that. It will be like Pau saying Kobe and him fell off or never were close
Yeah. This has been hard for me since 2020 when he started saying crazy things. At the very least i always hoped the respect would always remain but now all I see is jealousy. It sucks
Scottie has become such a sad figure. He doesn't want to admit he said all the junk
he's said in the last few years. He should've spent all the time since The Last Dance
came out bragging about he and MJ being the best duo in NBA history. Instead, he
turned into a bitter old man before he even got old.
I hate all the hypotheticals this interviewer poses. Dude, what could have happened did.
Just a waste of time. While speculating might be fun, it's a stupid exercise. Pippen, if you
could have won 6 without MJ, you would have. You couldn't even win one without MJ,
and you had your chances.
It's not good enough to be a BIG part of a double 3-peat. Oh no, you've got to put MJ down.
Pathetic. You've become a sad, bitter braggadocio.
that's all it would take here. Just admit what you said about MJ and Phil was out of line. Apologize and say there were a lot of personal things going on his life during that time...which we all know is true. Then everyone will understand and forgive. Instead....he's evading it at all costs. I don't respect that
He is right that who in the Bulls would have stopped him but Jordan and Pippen were the reason for both of their success! Would they have won without each other, yes. Would they have been as successful, no.
anyway if he was playing with Wilkins then he'd be warming the bench for Wilkins. They are both SF's and Wilkins was already a star when Pip was drafted...
In Pippins book he talks abt his mind set coming into the league. He was scouted by the bulls because they could see his skill set and athleticism. He was going to develope into a good player. People saying we wouldnt even know who he is dont know basketball. Jordan was a great offensive force in the 80s. But playing the triangle and being an all around team player is something else. Pip and Jordan learned together. They pushed each other. Pip had potential. Acting like in any other situation hed be a bum is crazy. There were other good teams with good coaches. No one has 6 rings unless pippin and jordan play together. You couldnt replace pip on that team with some other random super star and expect it to work. Pip played a very specific role.
36:35 Scottie and his kids should have instead been more turned off by what their Mother was out there doing. Embarrassing them and the family name. Instead he goes on a witch-hunt to smear Mike for simply telling the truth.
facts!
What I took away from this interview is Pippen seemed to desire money more than being apart of a dynasty. He asked Scottie if he’d rather have 50 -100 million dollars or a ring Pippen picked the money right away. He’ll always be bitter about that money he missed out on.
I think he made more than mj salary wise, I think
I know. Still crazy that he earned more money in the nba than jordan did.
@bobbymoore2076 yeah but I think he’d prefer to go to a loser team that would pay him big money to be their guy. He didn’t like to win as a side kick.
17:49 Scottie knows he could defensively devastate a Barkley offense, because we saw him do it in 94 and 95, using his quickness to front and work around Charles. But Pippem knows he couldn’t handle Malone in the same way. This is a good humble answer from him.
Scottie bless his heart for just wanting to feel his own individuality away from the image of MJ. For us fans looking from the outside, our relationship as fan to these sports celebs and in our selfish way too, want that sweet image of at least hopefully they get together again.
for sure it is selfish. I just want them to be at least on talking terms. This fallout after the last dance is really sad.
I really love Scottie, and I'm glad he looks healthy here, smiling
But I feel that if he didn't play and learn under Michael , he would not have been half as good as he became
I feel the same way
Wow.. just wow..
Yeah this was a rough one
@TheRealMindCrime i am going to watch it again, maybe it will make better sense the second time around
“I would still get MY SIX.” Interesting way he put that. “My Six.”
yup, all the while Jordan always credits his teammates for all the rings...sad
I get it thou. I’d be sick about answering questions and talking about Jordan for the past 30 years too. “What about me too, right?” Lol.
Yes. But this is happening cuz he was supposed to clear the air after all the bashing he did to mj a few years ago. So the interviewer is giving him to the open door to do so in every way but Scottie keeps evading it.
@ yeah if “beating around the bush” was a person lol
In all those scenarios, Scottie forgets that he doesn't become THE Scottie Pippen without MJ pushing him. He is looking at all those scenarios from the perch of a battle-hardened 6-time champion, which is not what he would be in all those scenarios. He didn't come into the league instantly a defensive juggernaut. He became that by playing alongside and feeding off MJ's competitive vibe, and Michael feeding off him and them being a great duo.
I don't doubt he would still have been a great player. Jordan would still be the same Jordan in all those scenarios, but Scottie will be something else.
Agreed. MJ was already that guy when scottie was drafted. Pippen became who he is because he competed against the goat everyday in practice.
I’ve really enjoyed this interview over the last few days. I do think as Jordan is known to be fairly social some of the non socializing probably is indicative of Pippens personality, and some may be that after the first few seasons when MJ became the leader he was fully, he may have spent more of that social energy with non teammates. Possibly.
this is true.....we got one more part tomorrow Sarah. This has been a roller coaster ride so far
I think he stopped watching when the documentary talked about the fact that he sat out at the end of a playoff game because he seemed pissed that Mike put that in there when it had nothing to do with the actual last dance but Mike was just giving context
There was tons of stuff in there that didn't have to do with the final season. It was all the context that made it great. Like Jordan coming back in 95 just to lose to the Magic wasn't MJs favorite moment, or all the gambling drama, or the Isaiah Thomas drama, but all that stayed in too.
9:15 Scottie has a lot of rings, he doesn’t have a lot of 100 millions 😂😂😂
Lol yup. Fair enough
When it comes to broken relationships, I don’t believe any outsider can catalyze reconciliation. The two people have to mutually find it within themselves to want to repair the relationship and it more or less has to happen within the same period of time. The reality is simply that no one knows the benefits of the relationship better than the people that were in it and those benefits obviously weren’t enough to keep them together. Simply getting over the bad may be enough to temper any hostility, but the two sides can’t truly get back together without finding new ways to be good.
well said
It's tough to see your heroes part ways for, i would say, nothing. MJ didn't say anything bad about Pip, not while they played 2gether, not after, not even in the "Last dance" , quit the opposite, he always mentioned Pip, praised him as a bb player and a friend. Even in his HOF speach lol like another gentleman pointed out. Pip, on the other hand, since he got in the "analyst" position with LEspn, often changed sides and got back on his comments, actually many times he didn't even tell the truth so my point is, take whatever he says now with care, not as undisputed truth. But, even so, let's say the MJ text to him is true. So, MJ had to learn from tv that his friend, Pippen, is mad with him(strike one). He did reach to his friend to ask him what's up but said friend cut ties(strike two). And after that, just a slew of horrors from said friend while not even a bad word from MJ in response(strike three). And i don't think he realizes he's making his case worse with this. Cause otherwise, we all thought that he got mad about the doc series and MJ didn't try to mend fences, they didn't talk to each other since. But wait, now we know that MJ tried to... Btw, i didn't see MJ refusing to play and throwing tantrums but i saw Pip so...that kind of says everything about character as well.
well said!
No issue with them not hanging out etc. because we as fans sometimes get lost in the romanticizing (so to speak) of the players' personal relationships, without considering the fact that not all personalities will be amenable to each other.
The MJ of football Cristiano Ronaldo said ""When I was at Manchester winning the Champions League, with some [legendary] players like Giggs, Ferdinand and Scholes our discussions were limited to 'Good morning' and 'Good night.' But when we were on the pitch together there was total understanding. [In madrid] I don't need to go out for dinner with Benzema or Bale. What counts is what happens on the pitch" - ended up winning multiple titles in both instances.
at this point I just hope Pippen is done bashing Jordan and calling Phil racist etc. Stop crapping on what they all accomplished together just because of jealousy
@@TheRealMindCrime agreed!
Knife in my heart, Scottie... Ouch. It's so hard to decipher what's really going on...I mean, I swear I've seen video of Jordan and Pippen golfing together. Also, being from Chicago, there were sightings of MJ and Scottie about town. Ugh I don't know what to think...
Scottie Pippen has 1 million percent the cause of the tension between him and Jordan!!! Jordan said "Scottie Pippen made kind of a selfish decision to wait until the season began to get his surgery done instead of the Summer because it cost the Bulls a half season without Pippen" which is an absolute 100% FACT!!! Michael Jordan wouldn't have ever put Scottie Pippen and the Bulls in that position and everyone (who is old enough to have watched Jordan play and remember how serious Jordan took his job) knows that and would bet their house on that fact especially knowing how irritated Jordan was with the Bulls ownership when they wouldn't allow him to play very much after breaking his foot!!! And Scottie Pippen only has himself to blame for the criticism that he's received after "The Last Dance" because he doubled down on his comment refusing to re-enter the game because of the play being drawn up for Kukoc and "Not ruining his Summer by getting his surgery because of his contract stuff" even though he was told blatantly by Jerry Reinsdorf "I wouldn't sign this deal if I was you" but Scottie Pippen signed it anyway and before Jerry Reinsdorf finalized it he again blatantly told Scottie Pippen "Don't come back to me and ask to have your contract restructured" and again Pippen signed it anyway, him pulling that shit was a million percent based on selfishness PERIOD!!!
Damn Pippen is on something 😂😂😂
right?
Jordan always had this dude's back ua-cam.com/users/shortscUU5aHn-2GI?si=WP1e0XU-ZogF3OcC
I have no problem with Scottie saying he is the greatest of all time, he was trying to sell a book, and look if Lebron can call himself the GOAT, I have no problem with Scottie saying it. Better basketball IQ then Lebron
Yeah, that would make sence. I don't think i would do it that way but...
I can see this being real. Good one.
I agree but also Scottie on record has bashed Lebron for calling himself the goat. So its a little hypocritical
Without Jordan, he would not have one. Not one. Atlanta was a better team in the 80s than the Bulls. The difference was Mike. We wouldn’t know Scottie without Mike. We still knew Mike regardless of Scottie.
Mike and Chuck one the same team?! I will tell you this, they wouldn’t have lost in game seven against Detroit because of a headache.
Another thing, living through the 80s and 90s, you saw Mike and Pip together all the time, but now they were never friends. Was he (Scottie) faking it the whole time?
I tend to agree here. MJ made Pippen. Not the other way around
That’s funny that scottie is saying he would get his 6 regardless because I don’t remember him having the ball much in the fourth QRT when it was winning time. There is a reason Phil went with kukoc when MJ was retired instead of scottie
exactly!
I’ve said it for years.
Pippen without Jordan is not a top 75 player.
He would’ve been a nice player.
But not someone that anyone that average fans would’ve remembered.
I think so too. Those practices with MJ made Pippen the player he became
i think the interviewer is patrick david not sure tho he also did one interview with kobe and one with shaq
I don't remember the Shaq one but he definitely did that epic Kobe interview
32:00 :So, how often has Pippen changed his mind who the GOAT is?
sometimes it's Jordan, sometimes LeBron , sometimes he even says that it is himself or Wilt qChamberlain
When he gets ask about his favorite teamate, he always said Jordan in the past, for a while he said LeBron, now he says Jordan again
Of course everyone can change their opinion, but the question is how often do you change? and do you have a good reason for the change of opinion?
And hechanges his opinion more than once a year and his reasons are either very weak or he doesn't give any reasons at all
yeah....Pippen is a walking contradiction at this point sadly
Thank you always for the content! It's tough for Scottie because whenever they see him, I bet they probably ask what it was like to play with Mike. And what if one of the arguments he had with his ex.Wife was her telling him to be more like Mike. Then, MJ's son sleeps with his ex-wife. Oh, also, Michael is a billionaire, 😂😮😅😊. I would hate Michael as well. Well, not really. I would be happy to have played with the greatest player during my time!
People need to know that at this point Scottie has 6 rings and that is why he wants the money I hope more than anything he and Michael mend their relationship
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@ this was a great video but man pippen just confuses the crap out of me lol
33:20 yep. Riley literally owns the “hire a lawyer throw some legal papers at the patent office” trademark on Three-peat. He filed it while with the lakers.
oh cool!!
At 33:00 he is referring to Pat Riley coining the term “Three-Peat” lol he created that
Did Pat Riley invent that term?
@@TheRealMindCrime yep
It’s not fair that Pippen has to live in MJ’s shadow. This interview was about Pippen, why does it always have to be about Jordan?! I would be upset too if I was always asked about the same person. MJ deserves all the props for what the Bulls did, but Scottie deserves his respect too.
the reason he is asking about Jordan is because this was supposed to be Pippens opportunity to make things right after all the terrible things he said about Jordan starting in 2020. But Pippen pulled a wild card and is evading it at all costs.
Pip couldn't win with the same team Jordan won 3 with and begged MJ to come back. He couldn't win anything the Blazers and that team was deep. He couldnt win anything with Barkley and Hakeem. Yeah who gonna stop 19ppg?😂😂😂
Without MJ he wouldnt even have averaged that. Pip is a straight up 🤡
"Mike couldnt keep Charles down" 😂😂😂
This man kept Dennis Rodman for 3 years.
I think Barkley would've been on his best behavior with jordan
They were really close friends back then so I agree.
Earlier in the video where he was talking about if it was him and Wilkens. I mean..... I could see a scenario where that would make sense. Because Dominique was a savage as well. And MJ would need more than Kenny Smith lol.... Kenny go get MJ some water doesn't = championships 😂😂😂😂
However, Scottie never plays with MJ, does he turn into the Scottie Pippen we knew? Idk if Dominique would've been able to bring the best out of Scottie like that. Or Clyde ( who was freaking awesome as well ) where as I think the scenario where MJ and Barkley together they would probably get 3 maybe 4 rings.
Chuck couldn't defend like Scottie which puts far more pressure on MJ to be that stopper. Which means he gets no rest at all. And to me that's the biggest difference. Now if let's say MJ Chuck and Harper together ( a little earlier than when Harper joined the Bulls ) then yeah I could see those 3 together winning 5 or 6 rings just because Harper was an excellent defender and MJ could take a break on the defensive end sometimes.
Idk maybe I'm trippin with what I'm sayin
there's a clear issue with that though. Pip and Wilking played the same position. Pippen would be coming off the bench for Wilkins....
@TheRealMindCrime Pippen could've played the 2 guard. Think about it, if he guarded 1-4 sometimes he could play it on offense. Especially before the back issues limited his mobility. Him and T-mac were basically the same height and he played both the 2 and the 3 on both ends. And both were only like an inch or 2 taller than MJ. And I'd say that MJ fella turned out to be ok-ish
Scottie totally watched the Last Dance 😂. I think a lot of truths were told but a lot of weird things that are bullshit were also told. I think MJ really elevated Scottie, and all the credit to Pip for doing the work, but I think theres a master/apprentice relationship there and Scottie never got over that. Even though MJ seems to have always had his back. Idk scotties face creeps me out when he says some of this crap, like he inhaled joker’s laughing gas.
Of course he wathed it! We can see him making crap up on the spot when he says these things. And I know....this is Pippens villian arc. Mask is off still and he's full of anger and hatred now
You have to understand, if Pippen never went to Chicago, he wouldn't have been the player he was. Remember his first playoff series, he scored 0 points in 19mins.
You can't take Scottie too seriously. He elevates MJ and the next he disparage him. You're right, Ron Harper hung out with MJ he was even part of his air Jordan commercial.
exactly! The Pippen we grew to appreciate was created by partnering up with MJ
Robin needs to understand that Batman is the superhero, not a sidekick.
fair
4:59 Michael in the 70s, here is where we have to recognize that if Doctor J didn’t exist, Michael wouldn’t have seen the possibilities. Everything builds off what has been done before. Unfortunately today the rules allow for like fifty guys to think they are doing what MJ did, but it’s not the same. But Dr J leading into MJ was a natural progression.
I was one of the hopeful in a bridge being built between Scottie and Mike, but yeah, after this episode I may retract my hope!
At this point I think it's become clear as day that Scottie is dog sick and tired of always being asked questions about Mike! He hung in there for the Bulls ride, but even then it was evident it was MJ putting in the yards for their "friendship". I call Scottie's bluff! I'm almost certain there was an interview back in the day where Scottie (and Horace) professed to training with Mike at his house, going over tape, and fine-tuning moves and strategies! He's done this with Jamal Crawford, Carmello Anthony, why wouldn't he have with his strongest support on his own team!
Scottie right now is exuding nothing but supreme jealousy, and snide animosity.
It's pippen not mj, the shits one sided
I agree. For a bridge to be build Pippen would need to apologize and I don't imagine he's gonna do that after watching this
@TheRealMindCrime it's a damn shame. He really was one of my favorite players (still is) but his character is staining his relationships and his legacy!
He’s uneasy when ask about his personal relationship with him. In games they were best of buddies but something different between them outside of the court. It’s a sad truth.
There is a lot to unpack here. Scotty needs some help in soothing his self inflicted pain called jealousy. I think if Scotty had won a chip without Mj their relationship would have being different. There are many people out here like Mj and Scotty.
Well said
This is what resentment will do to someone. I think Scottie Pippen is like Kobe without the ability to overcome without Shaq but kept the ego. Scottie had the opportunity to win without Jordan. Rather than sweat it out and build himself up to win as the star, he wanted Jordan back.
The truth is Scottie Pippen was a great, all-around teammate, and he believes he should get as much praise for being a great role player as Michael did for being the star. He feels like he helped put Michael in position to be known as the greatest but is denied that credit. Or maybe, he feels like calling Michael the greatest for winning six rings discounts his contribution. Or maybe, he's just insanely jealous he couldn't be as great as MJ. Idk, but it's very disturbing to witness.
well said!
Scottie Pippen says he could’ve won 6 rings without Jordan. He had 7 seasons in his career to do so… and didn’t win once without Jordan.
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Facts! and when he played for Houston and Portland he still wasn't the main guy. I dunno why all his jealousy is targeted at MJ
There are photo's of MJ at Scottie's birthday party ...I just looked at one (they are arm-in-arm -- looks like out at restaurant or something). It's tough because we know MJ couldn't go out in public or he would get mobbed (although there were places in Chicago where they accommodated his privacy). But nobody carried cameras back then. If people did carry cameras, I would bet anything there would be photos of MJ and Scottie over all those years tho (outside of work).
RMC, most people refer to a season using the end year, for example MJ won DPOY in 1988, not 1987.
I try to say both years of the season when i can. For example 92-93 the bulls beat the suns in the finals.
@ in most of your videos including this one, you sometimes used the starting year only though which ends up confusing. So going forward, I think you should use the end year in general.
Anyway, keep up the good work! 👍
Ahhh. I didn't know. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll try to do that better
Yeah Scottie went off the rails at the end I get the feeling it was a mutual falling out but we also can't forget Scottie did not offer condolences to MJ for his father and MJ never thought about it until Scottie illuded to it being intentional. This got awkward near the end Pippen was very uncomfortable he really does not like talking about Jordan and he kept getting asked about MJ and Pat did not move on from it.
Yeah this was a hard watch. I think Patrick was under the impression pippen came here to clear the air but whenever pippen gets the opportunity to he refuses and evades. Its an awkward interview
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah for sure! It actually made me hurt seeing how hurt Scottie seemed when he mentioned the talk with him and MJ was final. Here's hoping those guys can at some point bury the hatchet but I won't hold my breath sadly. Nobody holds a grudge like MJ he's the GOAT at that too lol
TBH we all know Scottie would win absolutely nothing without Jordan, the biggest reason is he’s in Jordan’s era, all Jordan needed was good role player, 98 season was the best series to prove it, those “Jordan can’t win without Scottie” narrative brainwashed him, he would’ve been one of those stars win no rings in Jordan’s era.
exactly. MJ started and ended that season without Pippen.
Great questions but I think it focused way too much about Jordan.
A bit disrespectful going on and on about MJ instead of asking about his experience.
the reason he is asking about Jordan is because this was supposed to be Pippens opportunity to make things right after all the terrible things he said about Jordan starting in 2020. But Pippen pulled a wild card and is evading it at all costs.
Ima be honest here. Even tho Pippen looks a bit crazy, you can clearly see in the last dance that MJ is always alone, I even believe that Pippen never really liked MJ. I'm an orchestra musician and we have a couple of players in the orchestra that are great, amazing players but are impossible to hang with, we always practice together and everything music they are available, but outside that nobody ever speaks to them, I can clearly see it with MJ, he was and still is just a lone wolf and cares only about winning, not everyone can be his friend.
well said
MJ and Barkley winning more than a couple
agreed!
look like Scottie pippen don't want to talk about mj, when he does he make short or lie so to move on the next topic
Naw. He had to have told pippen what he was gonna discuss
I know. And the whole point of this was to face all those terrible things he said about jordan and phil. But pippen stays dodgy
20:14 from the age of 10 to 32 I had a best friend for 22 years, then we grew further and further apart and rarely saw each, then we had no contact at all for three years.
and I thought, man, you only live once, and I just tried to contact him again, and it just didn't work. I hardly heard back from him. (And coincidentally, my mother died at the time I had contacted him, and he didn't even come to the funeral or ask about it or anything, even though he was a often at home with us as a teenager/kid)
and I think that once something, a relationship, a friendship, whatever, has ended, in 99.9% of cases never revive it, that's just how life is, unfortunately.
This is true. I've had those friendships from my youth collapse too. I think we all have sadly
The only person Pippen would have won a championship is MJ. People don’t count for MJ actually raising him up in the league. Dressler would have never done that, therefore Pippen wouldn’t have been that level of a player. Great player raise the level on other players.
absolutely. MJ created Pippen, it was never the other way around. MJ was already THAT GUY when Pippen arrived
Scottie is lying full stop. He had Jordan induct him into the hall of fame, and in that speech he called Jordan a close and great friend while Jordan is standing there next to him.
They also trained together in the first threepeat.
And there's multiple videos of Jordan taking scottie with him to go golf during the championships and the dream team.
Go watch it
exactly!
People can say anything they want to say.beelive what they wanted... but, can't make other to believe
There's something wrong with S P
there is definitely something wrong here. This isn't normal behavior
8:15 some would be all hardcore “what you said money?” I grew up poor too. Not even as bad as Pippen. It leaves a mark on you. Always stressed. I get where he’s coming from
100 mil is no joke lol
Possible if he stayed in Seattle.
Payton, Kemp, Pippen.
But they would beat the Bulls, Lakers, the Rockets and the Jazz first.
You cannot predict 6 rings regardless were you play.
The question is does Pippen become the pippen we know in Seattle
the problem i have with the whole thing is Pippen was built in Chicago by being Jordans partner. Without that then I don't imagine Pippen would ever become the all around player we got to watch
I know it seems weird “wow they’re a TEAM” these guys they worked together. There’s plenty of people “that dude is awesome at what he does but I don’t need to spend extra time with him”
that's fair, it's not so much about whether they're close or not. Its that Pippen bashed Jordan constantly from 2020 on. I can not wanna hang out with someone and also not say a bunch of slander about them
Pippen would have zero without Jordan.
Pippen saying he'd get 6 without Jordan is a bit much, but I can admit that Wilkins and Pippen is a much better duo than Kenny Smith and MJ. Jordan doesn't win 6 with Kenny.
agreed
I don't because Scottie doesn't become Scottie with Niq. And Kenny maybe better
Sorry but Pippen just pissed me off cause he's lying! If anyone with eyes and ears goes back to watch that Dream Team documentary, you can see Michael Jordan pulling on and calling Pippen to get on the bus to go so they can go golfing. That's bs! Scottie still has hate in his heart for Jordan and it's coming from a place of jealously.
well said! That's why this was so hard for me to react to. I know what he's saying isn't true and I'm dumbfounded that he thinks if he says he didn't see a certain thing or whatever than that means it didn't happen. We all have eyes and ears
17:44 I know this is all hypothetical, but …. T. Porter C. Drexler S. Pippen B. Williams & K. Duckworth ?!?! I ain’t sayin it’s guaranteed but that woulda been a HELL of a starting 5 🔥🔥….. (I’m just sayin) 🤷🏾♂️
12:42 Yes 33….3 + 3 does equal 6 championships, 12:54 but 23….. 2 x 3 also equals 6 championships……I thought you knew. 12:43
Plus 3+3 is two three-peats. So it’s clever humor and even though 2 x 3 equals 6, it’s not two three-peats so 3-3 is correct for the joke….12:42
And 2x3 can be two three peats
I'm not sure how MJ feels about the situations with Barkley, Pippen, Isiah etc. I would say life is too short for grudges but maybe he is at peace with how things ended up.
Scottie, on the other hand, definitely seems a bit bitter, that he was underpaid was pretty universally recognized even at the time, but is it just that? I can imagine it must be annoying being asked about MJ instead of yourself all the time, but I think you kind of have to expect it will come up eventually, especially during long interviews.
Still, it is a shame about everything. I remember a few years back they even had some sort of tour with Pippen, Longley (?) and some others where they would disparage the Bulls' teams and their legacy. I don't know, was it the same with other great teams before or was there really something toxic with the Bulls? I would imagine e.g. someone like AC Green didn't really approve of what the Lakers were doing, but I don't remember him going on some revenge tour about it. Maybe players from before simply decided to let things lie in the past.
i know, the whole thing is just sad now...
No way is Scottie a HOFer without Jordan.
14:20 first of all if they don’t pick Scottie, Scottie doesn’t become the player he became, and the bulls would’ve just picked Kevin Johnson who in my opinion if he practices and guards Michael everyday in practice he becomes a better player then Scottie. 🤷🏾♂️ so I think Jordan maybe get 7. Because Johnson would’ve been more help in 89-90 seasons as well.
oh shoot the Bulls with KJ would've been really cool to see!
I reckon Scottie's just taking the piss, he's got a glint in his eye when he says all the controversial stuff, seems like he's just so sick of the whole GOAT debate (which he feels isn't important in a team game) and is being controversial for the hell of it. All these hypothetical questions are daft too, I would probably be stringing this guy along too if I was sat there and all the talk was about my team mate. We'd call him a wind-up merchant over here. 😄
You can tell how much cope Scottie was dealing with by how awkward he was acting. Jealousy is a bitch
it's sad but true