I never managed to get my hands on a 1010, but I did review the Quadro P400 way back in the day. Same architecture, same number of cores, just a small bump in ROPs. Might be worth a look...
The P400 is technically based on the larger GP107 die used in the GTX 1050 just very cut down - instead of the GP108 die used in the 1010 and 1030 and some laptop gpus (which is probably why it has more ROPs) - at least if TPU is to believed. Whether that makes any practical difference though idk. There is also a turing Quadro T200 and a most recently from this year a ampere Quadro A400 (based on same GA107 as RTX 3050 6GB but with less than half the cores ..) but they haven't made any non-pro versions of those - both of those are still super expensive since they're "pro cards" and haven't aged for long enough.
Holy crap, you're telling me Shenzen has MORE cards??? You should *ABSOLUTELY* get ahold of the cards they have in offering! These kind of videos are my absolute favorite, just showing off weird, niche and not well-known (if known at all) GPUs! (or just PC hardware in general)
Shenzen Bitland was actually the same Vendor that produced my original Lenovo GT 730 GDDR5 which had that exact design (cooler, outputs). So yeah, they're a legitimate OEM provider that I see primarily work for Lenovo and HP and make these lower end AMD and NVIDIA cards
There are several stronger GT 730s like the PNY one I just bought for 30 bucks lol, more CUDA cores, ropes, etc, I really am interested to see how mine will compare to the normal ones
I honestly think a 750ti beats a GT1010 let alone a 1030. GDDR5 isn't going to make much a difference when the architecture can't use the RAM effectively. The 1010 is so gimped by having something like 25% less CUDA cores and TMUs in addition to 1/2 the ROPS compared to a 1030. Baseline you'd probably be looking at least 25-30% slower than a 1030 even with GDDR4. EDIT: According to Techpowerup the 1030 has nearly double the pixel rate and nearly 50% more texture rate vs a 1010. So baseline you're looking at around a 40%-50% performance deficit. And that's just on paper.
@@Midori_Ringo i was thinking the same thing haha, bigger cooler (if dual fan), deticated power (i know my ASUS 750TI i bought new in 2015 has a 6pin PCI), drivers that have been refined over years. just add everything that is diffrent and the 750TI is looking like a winner. 2GB GDDR5 1020 base clock with some brands up to 1200. PCIE gen 3 but i mean with a card at this level it wouldnt impact it much
@@Midori_Ringo The 750Ti is a completely different league, as it often ties with the GTX 760 while having the Maxwell Gen 1 support and modern features. A lot of people aren't aware that there's a non Ti version of it, and that's what it usually tie with the GT 1030 GDDR5. I think the Ti is about 30% faster than the non-Ti while having twice the vram (yep the regular version has only 1GB) That's where the confusion of the "GT 1030 being as fast as the GTX 750" comes from. If anything, the GT 1010 GDDR5 is faster than the awful GTX 745.
I know this manufacturer since I come from China Mainland 😊. It is a Chinese company located in Shenzhen, which only has the OEM business of the graphics card supply for the brand PC. Normally you don't see it in the retail market. I had my first PC installed its Geforce2 MX400 when I was young in 2002.
To my knowledge the Gddr5 1010s came before the ddr4 versions; when I first bought mine in March 2022 the ddr4 versions straight up didn’t exist, and their benchmarks didn’t show up until around a year after the first gddr5 benchmarked popped up. It’s been a while since I researched this but I also recall there being even rarer 1GB versions of the gt 1010
Ive been seeing a huge amount of ex-mining RX470Ds on ebay lately so i grabbed one up for 10$. After adding the missing HDMI resistors and flashing it to a normal 470 bios its a surprisingly capable card for the price. It would definitely make an interesting video
VGA is still used on 60% of monitors in the UK I reckon. Every monitor at my school uses VGA and so do offices and stuff. Hell, i'm seeing this through VGA now! (Although i'm weird and and still use CRT monitors).
Always keep your old 15 PGA and dvi cables. Still very relevant. Also your local goodwill or used stores has lots of older flat screen hp or Dell monitors that use the PGA connectors and would be great for the 1010.
I used to work tech repair supervisor at an office supply store. All of the customers buying cheap computers wanted HDMI to VGA adapters after even the cheap computers stopped supporting VGA. Mostly because those types of customers are mostly still running the same 1990s CRT as they bought with their first PC, and refuse to get rid of it unless it breaks. I bet there will still be cards featuring VGA ports 20+ years from now.
From watching your channel a bit too much recently i am getting an urge to dig out my old Mitsubishi pc's from the shed storage and start playing around with PCI and AGP again
Over to the Dark Side, friend, you must not resist! TBH screwing around with old hardware is as much or more fun that tweaking the latest and greatest. Can be cheaper, as we have not seen here. Stuff from the shed or if you are lucky, the skip, can be so low cost as to be 'free'. EDIT: You have been watching more BC there are new videos. Quite a torrid pace recently too. I, for one, do not see this as any sort of problem.
I suggest getting into mid to late 2000s stuff, every part costs nothing at all. I found a number of interesting PCs at electronics recyclers for free. 60 fps in S.T.A.L.K.E.R., hell yeah!
From an architecture standpoint, my understanding was that from Pascal (10-series/Quadro P) onwards Nvidia no longer built the necessary digital-to-analog circuitry into the the GPU die to output a VGA signal, so there would *have* to be some additional conversion going on, even if it doesn't seem like it.
I was thinking about this too, it could be the architecture does technically have it in some capacity (maybe just the in GP108 chips). It could be some adapter built in, like you said, but Budget said the PC recognized it as a normal VGA port. If they can take high resolution photos of all of the chips on the board so people can identify them, then we'd know for sure.
@@Ansigo My two thoughts were either (1) that GP108 is special and what was said about the Pascal architecture in general was not correct, or (2) there is some kind of way of hooking up an on-board converter where the card and drivers are aware of it and can optimize for it. My guess would be (2), and that’s it’s harder and more expensive than dropping a bad converter on an HDMI and calling it a day. I’d expect more 1030s with DVI-I and no bad converter chips if analog on GP108 was just like analog on GM1xx/GM2xx.
may not be useful for the video itself, but one way to sate your curiosity about what is often written on these Boxes from China is to use the Google Lens function on a smartphone. It will translate text for you. Helped me a great deal on my vacations when ordering from menus, buying over the counter medicines etc. I suspect Apple phones have a similar function available.
that is a OEM replacement component. I used to work for IBM in the warranty dept. Aside from having access to the best soldering flux known to man, I also had access to our replacement inventory. We kept items in stock that were packaged for replacement and not for resale, the difference being that the customer version of the component would usually come in a better looking box with some documentation and warranty information. Well, our replacement components looked more like what you just opened up here. There would be a company sticker across the box and you would need to break the seal to get the part and then list it in the inventory so we know its been used and to order another one. Sometimes, the GPU's, Fans, RAM would all be from a slew of different manufacturers. IBM just used whatever components matched the spec, they did not care about the brand. I am guessing that Chinese marketplace you got them from has a bunch of warranty components back stocked for sale. I would have thought this was a fake the moment I peeped the VGA port from 30 years ago. Shenzhen Bitland is a ODM from China that manufacturers components for other companies most of the time. You may see products with their badge on them but these are usually ones that were never sold off to other less known partners in China. Usually if they have not been rebranded you can get them dirty cheap. Lets say that the one you have was meant to be sent to lenovo's warranty dept, Lenovo could have contracted Shenzhen Bitland to make replacement parts for them, however I find this very doubtful as they usually use a more tenured supplier and I don't think Lenovo has use for a GT 1010. lol, maybe? I have some RX 470's that are listed as "Shenzhen Bitland" OFC they are the miner editions with the one single HDMI port on the back. They are not locked to 1080p however and do great for their asking price of $29.99 USD. You have to buy more than one to get them at that price however, I think we paid close to 250 for around 10 of them.
@@kwlkid85 That's exactly the card I bought (and cheaper than this turbo 1010 lol). With a little bit of simple inf editing, 900 series cards even still work in XP (for those cases when a game absolutely refuses to work on Win7 or newer)
I've owned a card from Shenzen Bitland before. It was a 6200TC back in the days of the AGP->PCI-E crossover, and I needed a GPU to tide me over while waiting for the 8800GT to come out. It was an awful card, but it was also my first exposure to GPU overclocking, so it taught me a fair bit. The "TC" meant that it used system RAM as VRAM, which was billed as a positive feature.
Scored a 1080 ti for 130 not long ago to hear u payed 100 hurt inside but... its now cataloged in history and for that and the channel it is worth it and interesting!
Shame Nvidia actively rejects pushing reasonably priced low end GPUs to the market. There's actually so much utility these cards could have, as shown in this video, but instead we get endless piles of GT 710s and already overprices GT 1030s further handicapped by DDR memory. It's like this whole market segment is fully averse to being pro-consumer. :(
@TheBcoolGuy obviously, but that's not what GPU companies should want. Logically speaking, they should at least try giving us attractive budget options, because they get nothing from us buying used. But I guess the low profit margins in that segment and the crypto boom making any piece of e-waste fly of the shields have all solidified the skewed market we have. :c
@@alchemik666 At some point, it's not worth their time faffing about with bottom-tier circuits. Even when applying the Pareto principle, it's way better for them to focus on hardware at a higher price. You don't expect to buy a new car for $5000.
You know in crysis when driving you can switch on stealth and drive. When driving the game trains suit drain as if you arent moving and enemies dont question the can driving around without anyone in it and are completely passive
Well, there is actual real supply of D-SUB (VGA) displays around. These were sold as new up to 2015, even after that, as a cheap option. And they are not CRT, they are regular TN LCD displays, 1080p 60 Hz. I suppose they are still usable, and there is a market for display adapters that would work with them. Since 1010 was designed as a budget option, it makes sense to have something that your customers would want.
"These were sold as new up to 2015" .... wrong. They're STILL being sold brand new to this day. Geizhals/Skinflint currently lists 730 models on sale (starting at 60eur) with the two filter criteria "VGA port" and "Full HD (1920x1080)" selected. And the vast majority of them have IPS panels, followed by VA. TN panel tech went the way of the dodo since about 2016. Hell... a good chunk of the models listed even support 100 Hz refresh rate or more
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Well, there you go. I didn't notice them after lets say 2017, perhaps I was not paying attention 😜In any case, VGA is still not dead , therefore there is a market for GPUs with such port.
@@builder396 I still run a PVA 1080p one from 2012 (Samsung 2333T). Still works just fine, though it's only being used for my retro games rig at this point. Everything else is 1440p 60 or 144/165Hz
If and it's a big if, the RTX 4010 is not a typo, then obviously that would be very interesting to see. I am a bit confused about the issue you mentioned with Crysis. Do you mean that Crysis can't run any more on DX9 on modern drivers unless you run it through VGA, or do you mean something else? The video was so much fun as always. You manage to inform and entertain at the perfect level. Thank you for sharing.
Crysis on the retail GT1010 and this OEM one refused to launch Crysis at all for me, on multiple systems with multiple sets of drivers. However this OEM one will launch the DX9 Rendered version but only over VGA, it will crash over hdmi. I have no idea why.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Thank you for the clarification. The only easy suggestion I have, not solution, to try running the game in compatibility mode for say Windows XP or Vista. Either way, eh, goodnight. :)
Well, you delivered another great review! After this comparsion of ddr4 and gddr5, I will change my 1030 ddr4 to a gddr5! The GT 1050, Gtx 2050 and RTX 4010 sound really interesting!!!😮
That opens another can of worms... classic games on steam that no longer work properly (or at all) on Win10/11, but you can't install and play them on Win7 or even XP because steam itself doesn't work on those anymore, leaving you with only one (very stupid) option: pirating the games you bought just to be able to play them... facepalm
I have a GT 730 ddr3 from a lenovo that is the same manufacturer, they seem to make a lot of oem cards for lenovo. Also great video! that little card is pretty solid!
That was an entertaining conclusion to the 1010. loved it :) A 4010, could be interesting with titles that support dlss and framegen, I doubt ray tracing would be a go though lol
I'm happy there's still weird GPUs out there. Back in the days there used to be plenty of "cheap" components that would go head to head with pricier components (Celeron 300A!). It was extremely satisfying to squeeze out max bang for the buck performance.
Wow, I have an EVGA built RTX 2080 Super, and it is already pretty well overclocked out of the box, I was able to get a whole extra 100MHz added to its clock curve. That thing is basically overclocked out of the box and you got another 750MHz out of it, that is NUTS! I miss the days of overclocking being fun.
19:01 there are a few GT 1030's specifically from Zotac and Colorful with native VGA and is detected as VGA on the driver. but it's weird how most of these only popped up around 2021. I straight up couldn't find one with VGA back when I was shopping around for GT 1030's when I was a student back in 2017-2018.
23:00, ALT + U hides the UI in BeamNG, which would make it so much more immersive on the CRT. It should give it a slight performance boost too! Amazing video as always haha.
Do you ever forget how to unhide the UI after you've hidden it, and Alt-F4 out of the game when the settings don't say how to bring it back? (Please tell me I'm not the only one...)
This makes me incredibly grateful for my 3060Ti. I can stop worrying about the 40 series or upcoming 50 series. I'll never complain about 55 fps ever again after watching this disaster
I had an idea, It wouldn't be cheap or an example of whats possible like it should be due to the import pricing. BUT I would love to see a Low End League at a convention, just a set of equal, low end but capable PCs like all GT1010s, with Pentium G's or something, and have a full CS2 league on them and just have fun with it. Also Low end overclocking challenge would be really fun, low risk, big results, easy to do comparatively silly colling.
PNY sold the GT 1010 here in the US. As i stated in my post on the previous video, the Quadro P400 is basically the same except with more PCIE lanes (x16 electricly vs X4) . If you got a hold of a Quadro P400 i am sure there would be slightly different numbers due to that. My Quadro P400 performed way better than my overclocked EVGA GT 1030 at least in my testing.
P400 has double the ROPs and way more cache (both L1 and L2) to work with compared to the 1010. The PCIe port doesn't really matter, as these cards barely even need a x1. The P400 outperforming a 1030 sounds like a myth though, cause even the slowest version of the 1030 has way better specs than the P400 core. The equivalent Quadro to a GT 1030 would be a P600 (identical specs), or if you wanna exceed it, a P620 or P1000
@Knaeckebrotsaege Sadly when I was using it the performance was worse. I pulled the gt1030 out and replaced it with the p400. That and the p400 has nvenc.
Hi there! Can I give a suggestion to test this card with? You mentioned few things about the Asian area using it in netcafé's! And especially after you mentioned Korea, one thing came into mind why this card might have native VGA support! The only answer must be StarCraft Remastered! Just as you can play the beautifully visually remastered game in whichever high resolution you wish to play, there is an option to switch back to the old visual style, which was natively 640*480! This might be the sole purpose of the VGA connection. If I would open a netcafé in Korea, I deffinetly would need to serve the needs of StarCraft players, who still wish to play StarCraft competetively in the original resolution of the game. And an add-on to that, StarCraft undoubtly paved the way for esports game, a digital war festival for a real money pot! And it paved that way in 640*480! I would like to see does it gives players the framerate for cheap price what they would look for in a netcafé in this game? And maybe it could be a nice idea to test the game in the Remastered state, and with the old version state, which is literally an option switch inside the game menus. It feels so exciting. It's a hunch from me, but the existence of this card smells like StarCraft needs for cheap to me! Please, if you have the time, give it a try and test it. Maybe even StarCraft2 needs are involved, but that designed for fairly newer computers, and I see no real relevance with this card to the sequel game. If you plan to dive in for a StarCraft test, and have questions, my suggestion is call Artosis (many channels, like Artosis Casts) and I am pretty sure he will be able to answer your questions to what to look for, what the StarCraft communities needs for their smooth gaming experience. Or any other questions you have. With a big probability that great Sir will be able to answer your questions. I can't wait to see if there is a revelation in relation of my thinking.
Looking around my university the other day, I kinda see why this card never got a release outside China. Here in the Philippines, primary customers of internet cafes here are students, and when the lockdowns came, I bet they are a few that really got wiped out due to the restrictions. The one around my university had 6-7 internet cafes, and after I passed by there the other day, only a single internet cafe left. The majority of internet cafes here anyway are family run businesses and had fairly old hardware so they are a good fit for this card but I guess they didn't put some savings before the pandemic or due to how old their hardware was, it became a struggle to keep some cash for improvements and the lock downs made it worst. One thing is certain thou, internet cafes are going to take a while for them to be everywhere in the Philippines again. The pandemic did reset everyone's time to change hardware, and with new hardware becoming decently powerful to last much longer compared to stuff years ago, it might take internet cafes decades to become popular again.
I think for 110 dollars you could get a 1070 at least. Maybe a couple 1060s in SLI lol. I love it. The real question is two of these in SLI or a Titan X? Hard choice there.
Reminds me of the entry level Geforce 2 MX cards which were really really good at the price point. Still, Needs SLI or triple version tested! btw. Bonus for Transport Tycoon music.
this is an interesting look at how much compute current gpus can actually provide when given adequate memory. im sure current cards would be much faster if they had memory that could keep up or werent being artificially gimped by nvidia
the funny thing is that apparently the GDDR5 version is the original 1010, and then the DDR4 is the cut down one, specially since in Techpowerup the GDDR5 one is listed as "GT 1010" while the DDR4 is listed as "GT 1010 DDR4"
btw, I've just searched in XianYu, they are branded as "Lenovo OEM GT1010 with VGA and HDMI". However 2010 or 4010 are both non exist, or being as secret as "48GB rtx 4090"
I bought an RX 550X (4GB) like two years ago (and I still use it). It's an Lenovo OEM Model (it even has a shiny sticker on a fan), and it has a VGA port aswell. And now I checked the vendor and it's also Shenzen Bitland, so maybe they make some weird Lenovo cards, that's my only guess.
in china this card is 30-35$,In addition, China also has some self-developed graphics cards that are rarely used by the Chinese themselves, such as arise 1020，MTT S10/30/70/80,these cards support windows and Chinese linux，like deepin,ubuntukylin，UOS,It would be fun to play with it if you could buy it.
I still use VGA for my secondary monitor because some of my computers are old and only have VGA out + my KVM is VGA only. Bought a new Asus 1080p VGA monitor (albeit only 144Hz when using displayport) a few months ago, so that i could get the same modern thin bezels as my other monitors :) Actually, the cheapo displayport to VGA converters output a much better VGA signal than most GFX cards did in the years until it was abandoned by mainstream cards (years ago when i got a 1070, i was a bit nervous about it not having VGA), and show up as VGA monitors in Windows and Linux. I bet the converter chip is cheap enough to slap on an actual card.
For the VGA, many "cheap office monitors" has vga + HDMI. It is either for old legacy computers (DDR2 era), or it is just servers. This OEM is as strange as dedicated for those monitors, maybe they are just using any cores whatever they have?
Genuinely though this is probably one of the highest performance gpus with a vga port. Like the gtx 260 and 275 were the last gpus to have a vga port. Which they are stonger than the 1010 but like top 3 for manufactured ewaste is pretty good.
Gt1010 SLI test petition
Count me in!
Also for the 4010. At least get a price for it. Specs would be fun too.
this!
Only a mad man and a fool would dare to dabble with such power.
yooo 4 1010s for 4010 thats would be awesome video
Signing this petition for sure
RTX4010 sounds like a beast of a card
It actually does sound like an interesting concept considering the combo of Ada power efficiency + DLSS capabilities.
Given this seller has been two for two so far, I'd go for it. That sounds fascinating!
RTX 4010 … guys lol.
*RT 4010
RTX 3050 6GB 96bit exists, which should be named RTX 3030
A 4010?? my god if it's real, I want, no, NEED to see it.
Pleasant vid as always.
Absolutely, this card must be given a benchmark. It's too interesting not to.
I NEED TOO SEE IT ALSO!! IT HAS TO BE ARCHIVED AND ANALYZED!
RTX a400
I never managed to get my hands on a 1010, but I did review the Quadro P400 way back in the day. Same architecture, same number of cores, just a small bump in ROPs.
Might be worth a look...
iceberg the legend is here
Love your videos
The P400 is technically based on the larger GP107 die used in the GTX 1050 just very cut down - instead of the GP108 die used in the 1010 and 1030 and some laptop gpus (which is probably why it has more ROPs) - at least if TPU is to believed. Whether that makes any practical difference though idk.
There is also a turing Quadro T200 and a most recently from this year a ampere Quadro A400 (based on same GA107 as RTX 3050 6GB but with less than half the cores ..) but they haven't made any non-pro versions of those - both of those are still super expensive since they're "pro cards" and haven't aged for long enough.
I can give you a link to the exact one he has if you want
Holy crap, you're telling me Shenzen has MORE cards??? You should *ABSOLUTELY* get ahold of the cards they have in offering! These kind of videos are my absolute favorite, just showing off weird, niche and not well-known (if known at all) GPUs! (or just PC hardware in general)
Shenzen Bitland was actually the same Vendor that produced my original Lenovo GT 730 GDDR5 which had that exact design (cooler, outputs). So yeah, they're a legitimate OEM provider that I see primarily work for Lenovo and HP and make these lower end AMD and NVIDIA cards
That could be it, it probably was a branding on my old laptop from like many moons ago. Thanks :D.
There are several stronger GT 730s like the PNY one I just bought for 30 bucks lol, more CUDA cores, ropes, etc, I really am interested to see how mine will compare to the normal ones
This is probably what you get when you order an oem replacement part from lenovo.
Yup. They are a warranty provider. They make replacement components for HP, Dell and Lenovo warranty departments.
The strongest gt 1010 vs gt 1030 ddr4 when??
i think the strongest one is actually more powerful than the ddr4 version
Strongest buffed GT 1010 Vs Peasant weakling GT 1030
I honestly think a 750ti beats a GT1010 let alone a 1030. GDDR5 isn't going to make much a difference when the architecture can't use the RAM effectively. The 1010 is so gimped by having something like 25% less CUDA cores and TMUs in addition to 1/2 the ROPS compared to a 1030. Baseline you'd probably be looking at least 25-30% slower than a 1030 even with GDDR4. EDIT: According to Techpowerup the 1030 has nearly double the pixel rate and nearly 50% more texture rate vs a 1010. So baseline you're looking at around a 40%-50% performance deficit. And that's just on paper.
@@Midori_Ringo i was thinking the same thing haha, bigger cooler (if dual fan), deticated power (i know my ASUS 750TI i bought new in 2015 has a 6pin PCI), drivers that have been refined over years. just add everything that is diffrent and the 750TI is looking like a winner. 2GB GDDR5 1020 base clock with some brands up to 1200. PCIE gen 3 but i mean with a card at this level it wouldnt impact it much
@@Midori_Ringo The 750Ti is a completely different league, as it often ties with the GTX 760 while having the Maxwell Gen 1 support and modern features. A lot of people aren't aware that there's a non Ti version of it, and that's what it usually tie with the GT 1030 GDDR5. I think the Ti is about 30% faster than the non-Ti while having twice the vram (yep the regular version has only 1GB)
That's where the confusion of the "GT 1030 being as fast as the GTX 750" comes from. If anything, the GT 1010 GDDR5 is faster than the awful GTX 745.
Also a 4010 RTX sounds amazing. It can do ray tracing. As in trace one ray. That’s all you get.
😂
RT 4010
Its RTX 4010 , so it will trace like 10 rays per frame or one ray per 10 frames xD
LMFAO
I know this manufacturer since I come from China Mainland 😊. It is a Chinese company located in Shenzhen, which only has the OEM business of the graphics card supply for the brand PC. Normally you don't see it in the retail market. I had my first PC installed its Geforce2 MX400 when I was young in 2002.
In China, the VGA port is still popular because many internet cafes use cheap screens which feature only vga.
First thing that crossed my mind, and no input lag...
@@KaijuAKD vga does not allow for better response times, it would just be easier to not have fragile vga to hdmi converters and so on
@@crsorsmth9951 That last point is what he's getting at. Better response times than using an adapter.
Do you mean the 15 pin grid array connector?
@@KaijuAKD It's VGA into a terrible AD convertor of a really bad LCD, not to a CRT.
To my knowledge the Gddr5 1010s came before the ddr4 versions; when I first bought mine in March 2022 the ddr4 versions straight up didn’t exist, and their benchmarks didn’t show up until around a year after the first gddr5 benchmarked popped up. It’s been a while since I researched this but I also recall there being even rarer 1GB versions of the gt 1010
Colorful also made a 4GB VRAM version of the gt 1010 at one point
@@dapzI'd love to see THAT with GDDR5
Ive been seeing a huge amount of ex-mining RX470Ds on ebay lately so i grabbed one up for 10$. After adding the missing HDMI resistors and flashing it to a normal 470 bios its a surprisingly capable card for the price. It would definitely make an interesting video
VGA is still used in industrial machines and old tech, e.g. medical scanners, rad therapy and some presses and mills, etc.
VGA is still used on 60% of monitors in the UK I reckon. Every monitor at my school uses VGA and so do offices and stuff. Hell, i'm seeing this through VGA now! (Although i'm weird and and still use CRT monitors).
And offices and schools for outdated projectors where they never change the bulb or filters
Most monitors have had at least DVI-D or what is it (digital input) for 20 years. Even industrial is HDMI today.
Always keep your old 15 PGA and dvi cables. Still very relevant. Also your local goodwill or used stores has lots of older flat screen hp or Dell monitors that use the PGA connectors and would be great for the 1010.
I used to work tech repair supervisor at an office supply store. All of the customers buying cheap computers wanted HDMI to VGA adapters after even the cheap computers stopped supporting VGA. Mostly because those types of customers are mostly still running the same 1990s CRT as they bought with their first PC, and refuse to get rid of it unless it breaks. I bet there will still be cards featuring VGA ports 20+ years from now.
From watching your channel a bit too much recently i am getting an urge to dig out my old Mitsubishi pc's from the shed storage and start playing around with PCI and AGP again
Worth it ;)
Over to the Dark Side, friend, you must not resist!
TBH screwing around with old hardware is as much or more fun that tweaking the latest and greatest. Can be cheaper, as we have not seen here. Stuff from the shed or if you are lucky, the skip, can be so low cost as to be 'free'.
EDIT:
You have been watching more BC there are new videos. Quite a torrid pace recently too. I, for one, do not see this as any sort of problem.
I suggest getting into mid to late 2000s stuff, every part costs nothing at all. I found a number of interesting PCs at electronics recyclers for free.
60 fps in S.T.A.L.K.E.R., hell yeah!
@@masterkamen371 I saw a Mitsubishi today. It was pulling out of a parking lot.
I’m starting to think you’ve got a black market connection to the GPU gods.
At this point they ARE the God of the Budget GPU Black Market /s
It's actually very easy to find one if you familiar with some Chinese app, the tricky part is to convince the vendor to send it abroad.
Daniel's black market collector twin
@johnreese3954 fair point. Customs and international shipping can be very very $$$ regardless of the currency conversion required.
From an architecture standpoint, my understanding was that from Pascal (10-series/Quadro P) onwards Nvidia no longer built the necessary digital-to-analog circuitry into the the GPU die to output a VGA signal, so there would *have* to be some additional conversion going on, even if it doesn't seem like it.
I was thinking about this too, it could be the architecture does technically have it in some capacity (maybe just the in GP108 chips). It could be some adapter built in, like you said, but Budget said the PC recognized it as a normal VGA port. If they can take high resolution photos of all of the chips on the board so people can identify them, then we'd know for sure.
Yep no more ramdac
It could still be way better than active cable/box type conversion deals. Would like to see him test it more.
@@Ansigo My two thoughts were either (1) that GP108 is special and what was said about the Pascal architecture in general was not correct, or (2) there is some kind of way of hooking up an on-board converter where the card and drivers are aware of it and can optimize for it.
My guess would be (2), and that’s it’s harder and more expensive than dropping a bad converter on an HDMI and calling it a day. I’d expect more 1030s with DVI-I and no bad converter chips if analog on GP108 was just like analog on GM1xx/GM2xx.
I've never seen an entry card do this well. Given the GPU craze era this was engineered, it's truly a feat. I bet they sold like cupcakes.
may not be useful for the video itself, but one way to sate your curiosity about what is often written on these Boxes from China is to use the Google Lens function on a smartphone. It will translate text for you. Helped me a great deal on my vacations when ordering from menus, buying over the counter medicines etc. I suspect Apple phones have a similar function available.
For only $20 more, you could’ve bought a Titan xp
I feel like the GT1010 is the iconic thing that will immediately make people remember this channel once the 1010 is even hinted at in conversations.
Nah
that is a OEM replacement component. I used to work for IBM in the warranty dept. Aside from having access to the best soldering flux known to man, I also had access to our replacement inventory. We kept items in stock that were packaged for replacement and not for resale, the difference being that the customer version of the component would usually come in a better looking box with some documentation and warranty information. Well, our replacement components looked more like what you just opened up here. There would be a company sticker across the box and you would need to break the seal to get the part and then list it in the inventory so we know its been used and to order another one. Sometimes, the GPU's, Fans, RAM would all be from a slew of different manufacturers. IBM just used whatever components matched the spec, they did not care about the brand. I am guessing that Chinese marketplace you got them from has a bunch of warranty components back stocked for sale. I would have thought this was a fake the moment I peeped the VGA port from 30 years ago. Shenzhen Bitland is a ODM from China that manufacturers components for other companies most of the time. You may see products with their badge on them but these are usually ones that were never sold off to other less known partners in China. Usually if they have not been rebranded you can get them dirty cheap. Lets say that the one you have was meant to be sent to lenovo's warranty dept, Lenovo could have contracted Shenzhen Bitland to make replacement parts for them, however I find this very doubtful as they usually use a more tenured supplier and I don't think Lenovo has use for a GT 1010. lol, maybe? I have some RX 470's that are listed as "Shenzhen Bitland" OFC they are the miner editions with the one single HDMI port on the back. They are not locked to 1080p however and do great for their asking price of $29.99 USD. You have to buy more than one to get them at that price however, I think we paid close to 250 for around 10 of them.
Thanks for the info, random stranger
What a monster of a card. The kind of monster you kill in the tutorial.
Nvidia 900 series has analogue output and is still supported. Definitely the best option for VGA on modern PCs.
Like you can get a 980 Ti for less than this thing and it'll destroy it in games while also having a DVI-I (VGA).
@@kwlkid85 That's exactly the card I bought (and cheaper than this turbo 1010 lol). With a little bit of simple inf editing, 900 series cards even still work in XP (for those cases when a game absolutely refuses to work on Win7 or newer)
you know, this is much more interesting than 4090 reviews :p
I've owned a card from Shenzen Bitland before. It was a 6200TC back in the days of the AGP->PCI-E crossover, and I needed a GPU to tide me over while waiting for the 8800GT to come out. It was an awful card, but it was also my first exposure to GPU overclocking, so it taught me a fair bit. The "TC" meant that it used system RAM as VRAM, which was billed as a positive feature.
Please please ... make an attempt at the 4010. At least publish whatever info you can get from if the cost is too high.
Then again, perhaps Patreon?
kofi!
Scored a 1080 ti for 130 not long ago to hear u payed 100 hurt inside but... its now cataloged in history and for that and the channel it is worth it and interesting!
That's a great deal compared to the $250 I paid for mine 3 years ago
@@tyler6602 I paid 330 for my original 1080 ti I sold after I got a 3070 back in 2020.
Shame Nvidia actively rejects pushing reasonably priced low end GPUs to the market. There's actually so much utility these cards could have, as shown in this video, but instead we get endless piles of GT 710s and already overprices GT 1030s further handicapped by DDR memory. It's like this whole market segment is fully averse to being pro-consumer. :(
just buy used. RX 480, GTX 1060-1080Ti, something like that.
@TheBcoolGuy obviously, but that's not what GPU companies should want. Logically speaking, they should at least try giving us attractive budget options, because they get nothing from us buying used. But I guess the low profit margins in that segment and the crypto boom making any piece of e-waste fly of the shields have all solidified the skewed market we have. :c
@@alchemik666 At some point, it's not worth their time faffing about with bottom-tier circuits. Even when applying the Pareto principle, it's way better for them to focus on hardware at a higher price. You don't expect to buy a new car for $5000.
There's no need. AMD already beats these low end gfxs. but I agree. it should keep existin
You know in crysis when driving you can switch on stealth and drive. When driving the game trains suit drain as if you arent moving and enemies dont question the can driving around without anyone in it and are completely passive
It's a bit like driving a turbo charged Yugo isn't it. Fun to drive but still comes in last.
@5:51 Don't call me Shirley
Roger!
Don't call me Roger, either!
Well, there is actual real supply of D-SUB (VGA) displays around. These were sold as new up to 2015, even after that, as a cheap option. And they are not CRT, they are regular TN LCD displays, 1080p 60 Hz. I suppose they are still usable, and there is a market for display adapters that would work with them. Since 1010 was designed as a budget option, it makes sense to have something that your customers would want.
"These were sold as new up to 2015" .... wrong. They're STILL being sold brand new to this day. Geizhals/Skinflint currently lists 730 models on sale (starting at 60eur) with the two filter criteria "VGA port" and "Full HD (1920x1080)" selected. And the vast majority of them have IPS panels, followed by VA. TN panel tech went the way of the dodo since about 2016. Hell... a good chunk of the models listed even support 100 Hz refresh rate or more
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Well, there you go. I didn't notice them after lets say 2017, perhaps I was not paying attention 😜In any case, VGA is still not dead , therefore there is a market for GPUs with such port.
Fuck it, I OWN a 1080p LCD monitor from roundabout 2015 that has both VGA and DVI inputs. It just wont die.
@@builder396 I still run a PVA 1080p one from 2012 (Samsung 2333T). Still works just fine, though it's only being used for my retro games rig at this point. Everything else is 1440p 60 or 144/165Hz
Very interesting video, I've never heard of this card before. Love your commentary style as well!
If and it's a big if, the RTX 4010 is not a typo, then obviously that would be very interesting to see.
I am a bit confused about the issue you mentioned with Crysis. Do you mean that Crysis can't run any more on DX9 on modern drivers unless you run it through VGA, or do you mean something else?
The video was so much fun as always. You manage to inform and entertain at the perfect level. Thank you for sharing.
Crysis on the retail GT1010 and this OEM one refused to launch Crysis at all for me, on multiple systems with multiple sets of drivers.
However this OEM one will launch the DX9 Rendered version but only over VGA, it will crash over hdmi. I have no idea why.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Thank you for the clarification. The only easy suggestion I have, not solution, to try running the game in compatibility mode for say Windows XP or Vista. Either way, eh, goodnight. :)
imagine if RT4010 was tested and was actually great for SFF, and suddenly everyone wants to buy one
@@xynonners I don't see that happening. But yes it would be cool
My favorite channel to listen to while playing minecraft uploaded again 🎉🎉
I LOVE it has VGA. Its awesome
Nice!!!
The repeat of 1630 affair,i would say.
And yes,go get that 4010,it sure gona be a blast!!!
An RTX 4010 sounds extremely interesting. Even a desktop RTX 2050 sounds like it’d be a good video idea
Well, you delivered another great review!
After this comparsion of ddr4 and gddr5, I will change my 1030 ddr4 to a gddr5!
The GT 1050, Gtx 2050 and RTX 4010 sound really interesting!!!😮
GT 1010 TI “Twice the gaming performance”. I can see the box art and advertising. This beast needs to be unleashed to an expectant market!
well this was convenient timing, only just loaded up youtube lol.
Same for me
As someone with a CRT and a steam library full of classic games. This would be amazing in an SFF modern PC to play retro games on a CRT.
That opens another can of worms... classic games on steam that no longer work properly (or at all) on Win10/11, but you can't install and play them on Win7 or even XP because steam itself doesn't work on those anymore, leaving you with only one (very stupid) option: pirating the games you bought just to be able to play them... facepalm
I have a GT 730 ddr3 from a lenovo that is the same manufacturer, they seem to make a lot of oem cards for lenovo. Also great video! that little card is pretty solid!
Cool name you have.
@@yottadrive Thanks!
That was an entertaining conclusion to the 1010. loved it :) A 4010, could be interesting with titles that support dlss and framegen, I doubt ray tracing would be a go though lol
Im surprised. Thanks for showing us rare models. I wouldnt use it, but its interesting to see these experiments
I'm happy there's still weird GPUs out there. Back in the days there used to be plenty of "cheap" components that would go head to head with pricier components (Celeron 300A!). It was extremely satisfying to squeeze out max bang for the buck performance.
Wow, I have an EVGA built RTX 2080 Super, and it is already pretty well overclocked out of the box, I was able to get a whole extra 100MHz added to its clock curve. That thing is basically overclocked out of the box and you got another 750MHz out of it, that is NUTS! I miss the days of overclocking being fun.
Just made a good old mug of yorkshire tea and sat down and pressed play :)
I IMPLORE!! GET THE 4010!! It NEEDS TO BE SEEN BY THE WORLD!!!
I agree
19:01 there are a few GT 1030's specifically from Zotac and Colorful with native VGA and is detected as VGA on the driver.
but it's weird how most of these only popped up around 2021. I straight up couldn't find one with VGA back when I was shopping around for GT 1030's when I was a student back in 2017-2018.
That 4010 looks mighty interesting! :D
23:00, ALT + U hides the UI in BeamNG, which would make it so much more immersive on the CRT. It should give it a slight performance boost too! Amazing video as always haha.
Yes
Do you ever forget how to unhide the UI after you've hidden it, and Alt-F4 out of the game when the settings don't say how to bring it back?
(Please tell me I'm not the only one...)
This would have been quite exciting 3 years ago. lol.. Nice to see some fun overclocking when you can see great results.
Budget Builds be whacking a lot of things in this one. Either way another great review for a surprisingly decent card they managed to put together.
The Great and Powerful GT1010 actually sounds like a pretty good card from these benchmarks, when compared to nothing else newer.
This should have been a series. The overclocking alone could have been a video, as could the ports
This is amazing. At this point you will end up finding GPUs that nobody knows exists.
Also, is this the best VGA card?!
We must see the 4010, that sounds absurd!
the things this man will do for CONTENT
We want the rtx 4010 tests now.
This makes me incredibly grateful for my 3060Ti. I can stop worrying about the 40 series or upcoming 50 series. I'll never complain about 55 fps ever again after watching this disaster
An overclocked gt1010 ti is quite the beast.
I had an idea, It wouldn't be cheap or an example of whats possible like it should be due to the import pricing.
BUT
I would love to see a Low End League at a convention, just a set of equal, low end but capable PCs like all GT1010s, with Pentium G's or something, and have a full CS2 league on them and just have fun with it.
Also Low end overclocking challenge would be really fun, low risk, big results, easy to do comparatively silly colling.
PNY sold the GT 1010 here in the US. As i stated in my post on the previous video, the Quadro P400 is basically the same except with more PCIE lanes (x16 electricly vs X4) . If you got a hold of a Quadro P400 i am sure there would be slightly different numbers due to that. My Quadro P400 performed way better than my overclocked EVGA GT 1030 at least in my testing.
P400 has double the ROPs and way more cache (both L1 and L2) to work with compared to the 1010. The PCIe port doesn't really matter, as these cards barely even need a x1. The P400 outperforming a 1030 sounds like a myth though, cause even the slowest version of the 1030 has way better specs than the P400 core. The equivalent Quadro to a GT 1030 would be a P600 (identical specs), or if you wanna exceed it, a P620 or P1000
@Knaeckebrotsaege Sadly when I was using it the performance was worse. I pulled the gt1030 out and replaced it with the p400. That and the p400 has nvenc.
It would be cool if the GT1010 could be compared against the equally unknown Radeon RX 6300
Just to note, I've actually found several brand new GT1010 DDR5s on Taobao (China's Amazon) for under £30, so it looks to be quite a deal over there.
Hi there! Can I give a suggestion to test this card with? You mentioned few things about the Asian area using it in netcafé's! And especially after you mentioned Korea, one thing came into mind why this card might have native VGA support! The only answer must be StarCraft Remastered! Just as you can play the beautifully visually remastered game in whichever high resolution you wish to play, there is an option to switch back to the old visual style, which was natively 640*480! This might be the sole purpose of the VGA connection. If I would open a netcafé in Korea, I deffinetly would need to serve the needs of StarCraft players, who still wish to play StarCraft competetively in the original resolution of the game. And an add-on to that, StarCraft undoubtly paved the way for esports game, a digital war festival for a real money pot! And it paved that way in 640*480!
I would like to see does it gives players the framerate for cheap price what they would look for in a netcafé in this game? And maybe it could be a nice idea to test the game in the Remastered state, and with the old version state, which is literally an option switch inside the game menus. It feels so exciting. It's a hunch from me, but the existence of this card smells like StarCraft needs for cheap to me! Please, if you have the time, give it a try and test it. Maybe even StarCraft2 needs are involved, but that designed for fairly newer computers, and I see no real relevance with this card to the sequel game. If you plan to dive in for a StarCraft test, and have questions, my suggestion is call Artosis (many channels, like Artosis Casts) and I am pretty sure he will be able to answer your questions to what to look for, what the StarCraft communities needs for their smooth gaming experience. Or any other questions you have. With a big probability that great Sir will be able to answer your questions.
I can't wait to see if there is a revelation in relation of my thinking.
I like your "Weird Card" series, let's check out the RTX 4010.
vga is still being used to this day which is why the vga port is still alive, it's not that surprising
"GT Tenten Shenzen Bitzen" would be a perfect name for this card.
Thanks for the all dark games on CRT, I'm now a bit closer to the blindness.
Native VGA? Oh boy, CRT time boys!
Looking around my university the other day, I kinda see why this card never got a release outside China. Here in the Philippines, primary customers of internet cafes here are students, and when the lockdowns came, I bet they are a few that really got wiped out due to the restrictions. The one around my university had 6-7 internet cafes, and after I passed by there the other day, only a single internet cafe left. The majority of internet cafes here anyway are family run businesses and had fairly old hardware so they are a good fit for this card but I guess they didn't put some savings before the pandemic or due to how old their hardware was, it became a struggle to keep some cash for improvements and the lock downs made it worst.
One thing is certain thou, internet cafes are going to take a while for them to be everywhere in the Philippines again. The pandemic did reset everyone's time to change hardware, and with new hardware becoming decently powerful to last much longer compared to stuff years ago, it might take internet cafes decades to become popular again.
best name ever.. rate it 10/10
I think for 110 dollars you could get a 1070 at least. Maybe a couple 1060s in SLI lol.
I love it.
The real question is two of these in SLI or a Titan X? Hard choice there.
Reminds me of the entry level Geforce 2 MX cards which were really really good at the price point. Still, Needs SLI or triple version tested!
btw. Bonus for Transport Tycoon music.
The heatsink on that card is identical to the heat on a Lenovo OEM GT 730. XD
this is an interesting look at how much compute current gpus can actually provide when given adequate memory. im sure current cards would be much faster if they had memory that could keep up or werent being artificially gimped by nvidia
Native VGA might make an alright retro-ish go to
Besides it being a city I could've sworn I've heard about this brand before, Oh well time to put the kettle on.
the funny thing is that apparently the GDDR5 version is the original 1010, and then the DDR4 is the cut down one, specially since in Techpowerup the GDDR5 one is listed as "GT 1010" while the DDR4 is listed as "GT 1010 DDR4"
For a mame setup this would be a baller card. Drop that in a bartop instead a slow pandora jamma board or a pi.
btw, I've just searched in XianYu, they are branded as "Lenovo OEM GT1010 with VGA and HDMI".
However 2010 or 4010 are both non exist, or being as secret as "48GB rtx 4090"
Ooo what an unexpected surprise treat of a video!
I bought an RX 550X (4GB) like two years ago (and I still use it). It's an Lenovo OEM Model (it even has a shiny sticker on a fan), and it has a VGA port aswell. And now I checked the vendor and it's also Shenzen Bitland, so maybe they make some weird Lenovo cards, that's my only guess.
lenovo being a chinese company, it kinda makes sense
Now we need the 4GB version of this card. I know that you know that there is one.
We definitely need to see a video on a 4010
in china this card is 30-35$,In addition, China also has some self-developed graphics cards that are rarely used by the Chinese themselves, such as arise 1020，MTT S10/30/70/80,these cards support windows and Chinese linux，like deepin,ubuntukylin，UOS,It would be fun to play with it if you could buy it.
The VGA output makes sense if you consider emulation.. it would make a good retro game card ... Could even play PS2 or Xbox games..
I still use VGA for my secondary monitor because some of my computers are old and only have VGA out + my KVM is VGA only. Bought a new Asus 1080p VGA monitor (albeit only 144Hz when using displayport) a few months ago, so that i could get the same modern thin bezels as my other monitors :) Actually, the cheapo displayport to VGA converters output a much better VGA signal than most GFX cards did in the years until it was abandoned by mainstream cards (years ago when i got a 1070, i was a bit nervous about it not having VGA), and show up as VGA monitors in Windows and Linux. I bet the converter chip is cheap enough to slap on an actual card.
I love how "GT 1010" sounds
35 seconds ago is wild
If I hear GT1010 one more time I think I'm gonna snap. For some reason it's a name that just grates me.
i will be waiting for the gtx1010
For the VGA, many "cheap office monitors" has vga + HDMI. It is either for old legacy computers (DDR2 era), or it is just servers.
This OEM is as strange as dedicated for those monitors, maybe they are just using any cores whatever they have?
a 4010.... like and subscribed gauranteed for that video
Should’ve been sold with the tagline “The little abomination that could!” 😅
The k2200 is pretty much the workstation version of the 1030. Would love to see it reviewed here.
Can't believe I stumbled upon this video when it's upload 10 minutes ago
Genuinely though this is probably one of the highest performance gpus with a vga port. Like the gtx 260 and 275 were the last gpus to have a vga port. Which they are stonger than the 1010 but like top 3 for manufactured ewaste is pretty good.
Also probably the only vga GPU that supports vulkan