I remember looking at webOS, and thinking wow I want one. I think the CEO (Apotheker) they had back at the time, they were basically throwing everything out of the window, even printers. It shows how a CEO without vision shouldn't earn big money.
True. The CEOs you want are the ones who have built up a business from nothing. Instead they hire people with management degrees who have no creativity.
Great video, reminds me from those times as being an ex-HP employee. People including myself were so proud when webOS phones came out. Sounded like we were about to beat the smartphone market... and then what - they killed it. Just like that. We already got webOS phones also ourselves, proudly carrying them when meeting clients etc. Phones seem to be pretty ok for business use in those days. Mails, calendars, some quick browsing and so on. Employees were ordering those tablets on their own and some even went to ebay to buy them after the company had formally killed it. So at least where I worked, people believed that we have a pretty competitive product in our hands, but why, why did they let the platform live and develop. Like said it was supposed to be a long lasting development project and could have become a competitor to IOS and Androd if they just would have let it live. After all, LG has been very successful afterwards with webOS in TV's. So the platfrom wasn't that bad.
I actually bought a Veer _after_ HP decided to kill the whole webOS division, because it was just so advanced compared to both Android and Blackberry, the two most successful and advanced systems at that time. (iPhone/iOS was already on the market, but it looked like a toy to anyone who actually used any smartphone before that, because of its limited capabilities and customizability compared to all the other systems.) And I've been a system and applications developer and engineer for decades by that point, so, I also knew what I was in for, in the technological sense. webOS was just so much ahead of the competition in every regard (ease of add development, performance, UX) that it's not even funny. My only objection was with the Java updater, which I didn't make any sense, both because of how cumbersome it was, how much it was losing market share on the desktop, and also how much it didn't fit with the general architecture of webOS. But the actual firmware and OS the device was just unbelievably good and advanced.
A thriving webOS Meetup group existed in the Chicago suburbs from 2011 until at least 2013. One of the primary members had connections at HP, so we were fortunate enough to see and try out a number of these unreleased devices. I may have also benefited from a couple of these meetings where we raffled off various webOS-based devices, one of which may resemble one featured in this video.
The calendar icon is probably a dynamic icon that displays the current date. That's probably why it looks different from all the other (regular) icons. And, for some reason, it probably sometimes fails to get/render the current date and so you end up with that black square.
Having had both a Pre 1, 2, and TouchPad, I can confirm you are correct, it was a dynamic icon. Even back on webOS 1.4.5, it was. Even today, Synergy and just type can't be matched.😢
As a bilingual Mexican, I always thought that the name "WebOS" was funny, since it almost sounds like the word "Eggs" ("Huevos", used as slang for the male... Uh... Private parts...) in Spanish.
Imagine if this was the base OS for Android phones now. Look how old that is and the animations, the smoothness (when it's not doing alpha-software shenanigans), the way the cards interface works. It's a crying damn shame this OS is not still available on a mobile device. Given the same time iOS and Android had, webOS could have been groundbreaking.
@@DonMr this is known, but it is in no way a resemblance to the software in its original form. webOS was a big boon for LG because of the smart part of the TV was now a fully grown, modern, modular, and ready to go with the right hardware.
So do i. Nowadays, if you are 0.000000000000000001 nano pixel off, you hit the wrong "key." It's at the point where I use my s pen and graffiti like the old days. Yes, I have better results with that than virtual keyboards.
Speaking of Prototypes - I remember when the HP TouchPad firesale happened, a few units running a dev copy of Android ended up being shipped out on accident. So, they were using Android as some kind of prototyping OS at some point for that.
This is the best video you've ever done. I am the biggest webos fanboy so it was a delight to see you check these out! The platform was insanely innovative and ahead of its time.
i used a Pre 2, Pre 3 and HP TouchPad back in the day. remember the windsornot and touchpad go prototypes from webos nation as well and still want one years later! there was also a very rare white TouchPad with updated processor, updated Pre Touchstone wireless charger etc still have a new verizon pre 3 in box i’m never using!
The calendar icon most likely glitches because, unlike all the other icons, it's not fixed, but rendered on-the-fly or at least periodically re-rendered to reflect the actual day of the month. And it likely tries to do so by taking some kind of default font size (which is then used to render the numbers reflecting the actual day, but also used to determine the icon size), which is different on this prototype device than it was in the original image (probably that of a Veer or whatever) the firmware was built on.
The smaller display apps are because running phone apps on the Touchpad didn't properly scale and reflow the app and they use an older version of the framework/os. This is just a leftover from porting webOS 3 from the Touchpad. It would eventually have been fixed.
See, handset manufacturers of the world?! You **can** create a removable back with Qi charging! Why do y'all gotta make keeping a handset for ten years so damned hard?
I think qi is not the reason. It's mostly waterproofing. Still, I'd choose a phone with a removable back plane with reasonably low ip rating instead of watertight ip99 phone any day. It's not every day I drop my phone into the toilet, ya know😂
Man, HP was sitting on what could have been what a market force like Android, but screwed up by bringing in a guy who was too concerned with quarterly profits to actually get the return on the investment HP made with that company
(0:20) I could immediately tell that's a codename from when they hadn't yet settled on the model name. I could tell from the design that HP's project codenamed "WindsorNot" was likely aimed at people who may have been coming over from something like an iPhone 4 or original Galaxy S and may have not been accustomed to using a physical keyboard. As for the calendar icon, I think it's because there was a bug with the live icon that caused it to be rendered incorrectly, but the standard icon was fine.
I work with DVT and EVT devices on a pretty constant basis. If I remember correctly, HP codenamed this as it was supposed to be a multi device-wide launch. The OG Windsor is your large large device. WindsorNot was the cinch. They go together. You have the Windsor and the Not. One tablet made for bigger things and the cinch (WindsorNot). It was kind of a double entendre as well.
calendar app is probably meant to show actual day on the icon (same as mac os does)- which would make that icon "dynamic", meaning there is some logic that is executed to "create" the icon, and it might lead to improper scaling and black icon.
I was in love with my Treo devices. Near perfect form factor for calls, texts, and simple web browsing. Nothing now really hits that spot. There's something to be said for tactile physical buttons and keys.
My Palm Pre is still sitting in a drawer somewhere. I switched it on a year or so ago and it still worked! It’s a shame that these devices never saw the light of day: I remember Apotheker not being the most popular chap with the community! WebOS was light-years ahead of both Android and iOS in terms of the user experience, but sadly didn’t get the buy-in it deserved from 3rd party app developers, which is what ultimately killed it
I distinctly remember my uncle (again, same one who used to work at Palm/HP during the time WebOS was a thing) having two of those miniature TouchPad prototypes stored away somewhere. I should ask him about these again when I get the chance (assuming he still has them), I never got to test them out to see if they worked.
I remember a friend got the original palm pre at ~release and was side loading some Linux apps/tool onto the phone as well as overclocking it right away. I wanted one but it was outside of my budget.
Palm OS, was so ahead of its time, that even now with modern tech and UI. Still they are the inspiration of the major companies like Apple, Samsung, Google and etc.
You were saying how you think that the AT&T software was likely a restore. I actually think the verizon version was being ported from the AT&T version. I think you are on a development build.
It frustrates me that HP killed WebOS before it gained any traction, which everyone expected would happen, and Microsoft failed to get developers to put their software on Windows Mobile 10. It feels like they both gave up too early. Microsoft should have paid developers to put their apps on Windows Phones so there was a good app ecosystem and HP shouldn't have given up so easily. Too bad the days where a 3rd mobile OS has a chance is essentially over. Maybe Microsoft should try again.
I remember hearing about this, really cool to see it up close in a video. Yeah what happened in 2011 is why I say WebOS was killed, it didn't die, it was killed. I had a Pixi Plus at the time to so I was totally on board. It was so unceremonious too. Interesting to see what they were cooking up. That TouchPad Go looks pretty nice. Oh what could have been, WebOS was so ahead of it's time. After what HP did to Palm it made me data horde palm software, Lul.
Palm was way too ahead of its time. Touchstone basically was the precursor to Apple Magsafe, it was the first to use magnets to align the wireless charging. Many bits of webOS still live on today in Android, as the original designer, Matias Duarte, went on to work for Google. The card app switcher came straight from webOS, except it lacked the ability to stack cards.
The HP webOS story is such a depressing one. Such a potential and such a proper time for all of that - and it's all flopped due to mostly bad management.
I managed to pick up a web os tablet a few weeks ago for 3$ in the box at a garage sale. Bummed that it doesn't work but is the weirdest coaster I now own
Rear Cameras are useful for uploading pics if you're selling stuff online as using the interface is always easier on a tablet and having the camera right there makes it painless
Michael, by chance would you be willing to find a HTC ChaCha? It has the Facebook button and I remember back then it was such a convenient and insane feature back then lmao
In Germany at the biggest Store we have „Tried“ to sell the HPWepOS-Tablets, but its was like „A Sitting Duck“ in my Stocks. We have it sold for 29€ only for getting it out of my Shop. It was a horrible time long ago. Ps.:Sorry for my bad English 😂
I miss palm. I had a treo 650 in high school and then I got a treo 800w, I always wanted the palm centro and palm pre, but then they killed palm os and web os. Rip
WebOS was a complete failure in my estimation. I only ever knew one person who had a WebOS device, and it was a Palm Pre. In fact, until your videos I had no idea that HP made WebOS devices.
I really hate how everyone has settled on the worst date formats. Month day year is terrible and day month year is just as terrible. Year month date just makes the most sense in all scenarios where you'd be using all three dates.
I have so many regrets surrounding HP's acquisition and subsequent murder of Palm and the WebOS platform. Like, here's the thing: they could have pivoted the entire thing into an Android OS reskin with a custom notification pane, a few API intercepts to allow for the various Palm-specific aggregation applications to function, and a custom app switcher/manager. Samsung, HTC, and LG were all doing this already to make their Android devices stand out and feel special. It's a Linux distro, so the shell and other UX elements aren't a part of the kernel and can be interchanged with comparative ease. Then they could have taken advantage of the rise of Android as a mobile OS while still retaining the vast majority of the features that people who have ever owned a Palm WebOS device happen to love. But no. HP was an absolute clusterfuck at this point in its history and instead of trying to retain talent and capture market share in a clever way, they released 2.5 generations of products after it was already obvious what they SHOULD have done after acquiring Palm, then after changing CEOs, the new one decided to axe the entire thing instead of trying to make it into something better. It's just such a shame. The Palm Pre/Pre+ were really something special. Want to know how special WebOS really was? Apple and Android are STILL combing over the corpse of WebOS for UX inspiration. Gesture controls using the edge of the screen? Palm did it first. Universal search? Palm did it first. Quick settings pane? Palm again. The card interface for application switching with the swipe gesture to dismiss running applications? If you guessed Palm, then you'd be correct. Cloud-based contacts and user information storage? Palm really was ahead of the game. Wireless charging? It wasn't a standard feature by default at first, but Palm did offer it as a replacement back panel for the Pre+ using a pair of pogo contact pins on the device that poked a pair of pads connected to the induction coil. Ambient clock mode while wireless charging? You really thought Apple came up with that first?
In retrospect, HP did make a grave decision to can Palm devices. WebOS was way ahead of it's time and more powerful hardware would have made it's real multitasking potential shine. Too bad we had people whom were too dismissive of real innovation.
HP messed up big time with the webOS products IMHO. Back then WebOS was a well developed and relatively mature product for mobile devices and Android at the time was still not quite there yet in terms of market dominance (and user experience - and perhaps still so). Blackberry 10 was in a similar situation to HP WebOS IMHO.
I was working in telco retail at at the time. I used a Palm Pre. It was hands down the best email device. Better than a Blackberry that required an ungodly expensive server setup for most decent features, more complete than email on Android and MILES better than email on iOS which (at the time) was an overrated mess. I'm not even sure iOS supported IMAP back then, but might be misremembering. In my opinion, HP made one fundamental mistake with WebOS, they dropped the Palm name. It had heritage and meant something to the consumer. Veer? What the hell is a Veer? ... and how is anyone going to take me seriously if I take a Pixie out of my pocket? (An actual reaction from a customer) On a side note, a few years before this Nokia also made a fundamental mistake by refusing to accept Android was the way to go. Had the N8 had Android, Nokia would have survived the shift into smartphones, The N8 was the best piece of hardware at launch, on the market, completely borked by an awful OS... but that's a conversation for another day.
They should have at least released this before pulling the plug on WebOS. I feel if it was priced right, it would be a good contender to Android and Iphone, or maybe it would have ended up similar to Windows Phone-who knows?
I remember looking at webOS, and thinking wow I want one.
I think the CEO (Apotheker) they had back at the time, they were basically throwing everything out of the window, even printers. It shows how a CEO without vision shouldn't earn big money.
True. The CEOs you want are the ones who have built up a business from nothing. Instead they hire people with management degrees who have no creativity.
@@dashcharger24 Isn't that _almost exactly_ what Carly did a couple of years later? So he turned out to be quite the visionary after all.
Great video, reminds me from those times as being an ex-HP employee. People including myself were so proud when webOS phones came out. Sounded like we were about to beat the smartphone market... and then what - they killed it. Just like that. We already got webOS phones also ourselves, proudly carrying them when meeting clients etc. Phones seem to be pretty ok for business use in those days. Mails, calendars, some quick browsing and so on. Employees were ordering those tablets on their own and some even went to ebay to buy them after the company had formally killed it. So at least where I worked, people believed that we have a pretty competitive product in our hands, but why, why did they let the platform live and develop. Like said it was supposed to be a long lasting development project and could have become a competitor to IOS and Androd if they just would have let it live. After all, LG has been very successful afterwards with webOS in TV's. So the platfrom wasn't that bad.
I actually bought a Veer _after_ HP decided to kill the whole webOS division, because it was just so advanced compared to both Android and Blackberry, the two most successful and advanced systems at that time. (iPhone/iOS was already on the market, but it looked like a toy to anyone who actually used any smartphone before that, because of its limited capabilities and customizability compared to all the other systems.) And I've been a system and applications developer and engineer for decades by that point, so, I also knew what I was in for, in the technological sense. webOS was just so much ahead of the competition in every regard (ease of add development, performance, UX) that it's not even funny. My only objection was with the Java updater, which I didn't make any sense, both because of how cumbersome it was, how much it was losing market share on the desktop, and also how much it didn't fit with the general architecture of webOS. But the actual firmware and OS the device was just unbelievably good and advanced.
A thriving webOS Meetup group existed in the Chicago suburbs from 2011 until at least 2013. One of the primary members had connections at HP, so we were fortunate enough to see and try out a number of these unreleased devices. I may have also benefited from a couple of these meetings where we raffled off various webOS-based devices, one of which may resemble one featured in this video.
Did you or any of the other members have any blog posts/videos/podcasts etc about these meetings/thoughts about these devices?
You wanna sell it?
you speak like a politician
LuneOS (an open-source re-write of WebOS) is still alive, too. It is probably closer to what Palm/HP have originally dreamed of (than the LG's WebOS).
The calendar icon is probably a dynamic icon that displays the current date. That's probably why it looks different from all the other (regular) icons. And, for some reason, it probably sometimes fails to get/render the current date and so you end up with that black square.
Or maybe this was filmed on _Black Friday._
Having had both a Pre 1, 2, and TouchPad, I can confirm you are correct, it was a dynamic icon. Even back on webOS 1.4.5, it was.
Even today, Synergy and just type can't be matched.😢
Scrolled to find this one.
As a bilingual Mexican, I always thought that the name "WebOS" was funny, since it almost sounds like the word "Eggs" ("Huevos", used as slang for the male... Uh... Private parts...) in Spanish.
Don't you use cojones as that name?
We use the word "eggs" too - "jajka"
In Finland we say "munat' (eggs) for... the.. you know
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we say "bolas", for balls
Imagine if this was the base OS for Android phones now. Look how old that is and the animations, the smoothness (when it's not doing alpha-software shenanigans), the way the cards interface works. It's a crying damn shame this OS is not still available on a mobile device. Given the same time iOS and Android had, webOS could have been groundbreaking.
Isn't there a fork of WebOS?
LG Smart TVs still use It.
@@DonMr Isn't it called TizenOS or something nowadays? It's unfortunately not the same I think. They stripped a lot of stuff.
@@DonMr this is known, but it is in no way a resemblance to the software in its original form. webOS was a big boon for LG because of the smart part of the TV was now a fully grown, modern, modular, and ready to go with the right hardware.
@@dashcharger24 Tizen is Samsung.
Would've been so cool to see what it'd end up as today. Shame it didn't get to that stage
I miss physical keyboards tbh, something so satisfying about them
removable batteries as a standard, headphone jacks
(smaller phones too, but thats probably just me)
I agree, I was much faster on them.
So do i. Nowadays, if you are 0.000000000000000001 nano pixel off, you hit the wrong "key." It's at the point where I use my s pen and graffiti like the old days. Yes, I have better results with that than virtual keyboards.
Solution: Unihertz Titan
This all makes me so nostalgic, happy, and sad at the same time. I read every leak and article I could about this device when it was still a rumor.
Speaking of Prototypes - I remember when the HP TouchPad firesale happened, a few units running a dev copy of Android ended up being shipped out on accident. So, they were using Android as some kind of prototyping OS at some point for that.
Have you seen MJD's previous video on the TouchPad? It's about exactly that
Thanks for this. I love seeing webOS stuff. At the time I thought it looked so sleek and way ahead of iPhone OS in terms of usability.
I think the calendar icon showing as a black box is because of missing dates if the calendar is live.
This is the best video you've ever done. I am the biggest webos fanboy so it was a delight to see you check these out! The platform was insanely innovative and ahead of its time.
No, the Bliss video was the best one he ever made.
@@World_of_OSes Lol bruh it's his objective opinion and sharing it w/ the creator. Just like the bliss is objectively yours.
i used a Pre 2, Pre 3 and HP TouchPad back in the day. remember the windsornot and touchpad go prototypes from webos nation as well and still want one years later!
there was also a very rare white TouchPad with updated processor, updated Pre Touchstone wireless charger etc
still have a new verizon pre 3 in box i’m never using!
The calendar icon most likely glitches because, unlike all the other icons, it's not fixed, but rendered on-the-fly or at least periodically re-rendered to reflect the actual day of the month. And it likely tries to do so by taking some kind of default font size (which is then used to render the numbers reflecting the actual day, but also used to determine the icon size), which is different on this prototype device than it was in the original image (probably that of a Veer or whatever) the firmware was built on.
The smaller display apps are because running phone apps on the Touchpad didn't properly scale and reflow the app and they use an older version of the framework/os. This is just a leftover from porting webOS 3 from the Touchpad. It would eventually have been fixed.
See, handset manufacturers of the world?! You **can** create a removable back with Qi charging! Why do y'all gotta make keeping a handset for ten years so damned hard?
You already know 🤑🤑🤑
Nokia did it as well with the lumia 820 iirc
I think qi is not the reason. It's mostly waterproofing. Still, I'd choose a phone with a removable back plane with reasonably low ip rating instead of watertight ip99 phone any day. It's not every day I drop my phone into the toilet, ya know😂
@@Zoomer.88 the galaxy s5 has a removable back cover and ip67 rating iirc. Also there's a qi compatible back cover accessory
@@NTD59 Well then I don't know! 🤑🤑🤑
HP really dropped the ball on this one.
I loved the tablet and WebOS.
Man, HP was sitting on what could have been what a market force like Android, but screwed up by bringing in a guy who was too concerned with quarterly profits to actually get the return on the investment HP made with that company
(0:20) I could immediately tell that's a codename from when they hadn't yet settled on the model name.
I could tell from the design that HP's project codenamed "WindsorNot" was likely aimed at people who may have been coming over from something like an iPhone 4 or original Galaxy S and may have not been accustomed to using a physical keyboard.
As for the calendar icon, I think it's because there was a bug with the live icon that caused it to be rendered incorrectly, but the standard icon was fine.
I work with DVT and EVT devices on a pretty constant basis. If I remember correctly, HP codenamed this as it was supposed to be a multi device-wide launch. The OG Windsor is your large large device. WindsorNot was the cinch. They go together. You have the Windsor and the Not. One tablet made for bigger things and the cinch (WindsorNot). It was kind of a double entendre as well.
calendar app is probably meant to show actual day on the icon (same as mac os does)- which would make that icon "dynamic", meaning there is some logic that is executed to "create" the icon, and it might lead to improper scaling and black icon.
I love prototypes of more unusual operating systems!
I was in love with my Treo devices. Near perfect form factor for calls, texts, and simple web browsing. Nothing now really hits that spot. There's something to be said for tactile physical buttons and keys.
My Palm Pre is still sitting in a drawer somewhere. I switched it on a year or so ago and it still worked! It’s a shame that these devices never saw the light of day: I remember Apotheker not being the most popular chap with the community! WebOS was light-years ahead of both Android and iOS in terms of the user experience, but sadly didn’t get the buy-in it deserved from 3rd party app developers, which is what ultimately killed it
HP keeps going through CEOs with no ideas or vision. They should promote someone through the ranks who has a clue.
Sad that it never saw the light of day
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Nice,I love watching MJD!Keep up the good work Michael!
I LOVE MICHAEL MJD !!!!!!!!
Me too
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I distinctly remember my uncle (again, same one who used to work at Palm/HP during the time WebOS was a thing) having two of those miniature TouchPad prototypes stored away somewhere. I should ask him about these again when I get the chance (assuming he still has them), I never got to test them out to see if they worked.
26:24 I wonder if the Wifi model would have had that "M.2 looking" port free so you could've installed an internal SSD into the slot.
Windsor knot, maybe, like the tie
I remember a friend got the original palm pre at ~release and was side loading some Linux apps/tool onto the phone as well as overclocking it right away. I wanted one but it was outside of my budget.
Palm OS, was so ahead of its time, that even now with modern tech and UI. Still they are the inspiration of the major companies like Apple, Samsung, Google and etc.
I imagine how the marketing for this smartphone would have been if it gets sold on Mexico.
That HP Touchpad Go looks like it has a SATA interface in the back for a SATA notebook hard-drive.
the jankiness of the UI makes me smile... in a positive way
You were saying how you think that the AT&T software was likely a restore. I actually think the verizon version was being ported from the AT&T version. I think you are on a development build.
6:00 that is the most genius battery cover I've ever seen
The calendar icon has gone rogue
It frustrates me that HP killed WebOS before it gained any traction, which everyone expected would happen, and Microsoft failed to get developers to put their software on Windows Mobile 10. It feels like they both gave up too early. Microsoft should have paid developers to put their apps on Windows Phones so there was a good app ecosystem and HP shouldn't have given up so easily. Too bad the days where a 3rd mobile OS has a chance is essentially over. Maybe Microsoft should try again.
I remember hearing about this, really cool to see it up close in a video. Yeah what happened in 2011 is why I say WebOS was killed, it didn't die, it was killed.
I had a Pixi Plus at the time to so I was totally on board. It was so unceremonious too.
Interesting to see what they were cooking up. That TouchPad Go looks pretty nice.
Oh what could have been, WebOS was so ahead of it's time. After what HP did to Palm it made me data horde palm software, Lul.
Palm was way too ahead of its time. Touchstone basically was the precursor to Apple Magsafe, it was the first to use magnets to align the wireless charging. Many bits of webOS still live on today in Android, as the original designer, Matias Duarte, went on to work for Google. The card app switcher came straight from webOS, except it lacked the ability to stack cards.
I love these hardwear segments. Abandoned hardware is a good look-back at history.
It's so sad that WebOS was scrapped for mobile devices. WebOS had such potential.
I miss webOS so much. I had a Pre 3 as a daily driver until around 2017 or so.
What do you have now?
@Brushedmetal69 z fold 4
@xeroniris Nice, I thought you were a normie and were going to say iPhone lol.
The HP webOS story is such a depressing one. Such a potential and such a proper time for all of that - and it's all flopped due to mostly bad management.
...is that a laptop SATA connector inside the Touchpad Go???
WebOS prototypes... thank you
I had one of these. Amazing little devices
Such an awesome video!
I had the Palm Pre back in the day and it was a good phone, especially when you overclocked it.
The calendar icon is probably glitchy, because it tries to render the current date on the icon.
thanks david, and thanks michael
2 hours old video LETS GO!! IM NOT LATE!
The case design on that WindsorNot reminds me of one of those Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich smartphones.
I managed to pick up a web os tablet a few weeks ago for 3$ in the box at a garage sale. Bummed that it doesn't work but is the weirdest coaster I now own
Rear Cameras are useful for uploading pics if you're selling stuff online as using the interface is always easier on a tablet and having the camera right there makes it painless
This is why I liked BB10 on the Blackberry's phone. It was so smooth.
We Indonesians called it as "unbranded smartphone", since the device type and the manufacturer shares the same abbreviation
I miss WebOS, damn HP for killing it off.
The prototypes are legend! But nice video i always like ur video
Michael, by chance would you be willing to find a HTC ChaCha? It has the Facebook button and I remember back then it was such a convenient and insane feature back then lmao
Not deleting the keyboard was a good call. This is an early prototype; it might not have sanity checks to prevent silly things like that.
In Germany at the biggest Store we have „Tried“ to sell the HPWepOS-Tablets, but its was like „A Sitting Duck“ in my Stocks.
We have it sold for 29€ only for getting it out of my Shop.
It was a horrible time long ago.
Ps.:Sorry for my bad English 😂
That poor calendar icon getting no love at all hehehe
OH MY GOD IT SEES THE LIGHT OF DAY
I miss palm. I had a treo 650 in high school and then I got a treo 800w, I always wanted the palm centro and palm pre, but then they killed palm os and web os. Rip
I did not know that hp had phones back in the day. I also didn't know that webOS was used on phones, i thought webOS was used on LG tvs only.
They took over its development.
The calendar icon is probably dynamic and changes based on date.
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possible video idea installing different operation systems on a prototype phone
I had a palm pixi for a bit and I remember it fondly. Very sad that hp didn’t give palm more time.
It would be nice if community took this dead project back to life and make it usable again
How is the UA-cam change "change thumbnail" feature going?
webOS is pretty cool imo
WebOS was a complete failure in my estimation. I only ever knew one person who had a WebOS device, and it was a Palm Pre. In fact, until your videos I had no idea that HP made WebOS devices.
It’s weird the touchpad go was so different from the regular one.
4:35 it's probably a reference to Logic Gates (AND, OR, and NOT gates, etc) so if they continued they most likely would have had the WindsorAND
6:15 I half thought they are going to type out "property of hewlett packard" instead of "property of hp"
Was the name of the developer Gabe by chance? I know it's a random question but my Uncle worked on the software and I was just curious.
Dang that EVT1 battery for the winsornot has the same production date as my birth 😭
It's a real shame this was not further developed.
6:56 German word: "Vorsich" spelt wrong should be Vorsicht! Vorsicht = Attention!
Where can I gat a WindsorNot and Touchpad mini?
I really hate how everyone has settled on the worst date formats. Month day year is terrible and day month year is just as terrible. Year month date just makes the most sense in all scenarios where you'd be using all three dates.
Month year day or day year month is the best in my opinion...
@Brushedmetal69 both ways sort terribly.
@@Brushedmetal69 Month year day is the worst of them all
I wonder why its named after a necktie technique
Can you please make a video on Ubuntu Touch?
I have so many regrets surrounding HP's acquisition and subsequent murder of Palm and the WebOS platform. Like, here's the thing: they could have pivoted the entire thing into an Android OS reskin with a custom notification pane, a few API intercepts to allow for the various Palm-specific aggregation applications to function, and a custom app switcher/manager. Samsung, HTC, and LG were all doing this already to make their Android devices stand out and feel special. It's a Linux distro, so the shell and other UX elements aren't a part of the kernel and can be interchanged with comparative ease. Then they could have taken advantage of the rise of Android as a mobile OS while still retaining the vast majority of the features that people who have ever owned a Palm WebOS device happen to love. But no. HP was an absolute clusterfuck at this point in its history and instead of trying to retain talent and capture market share in a clever way, they released 2.5 generations of products after it was already obvious what they SHOULD have done after acquiring Palm, then after changing CEOs, the new one decided to axe the entire thing instead of trying to make it into something better. It's just such a shame. The Palm Pre/Pre+ were really something special. Want to know how special WebOS really was? Apple and Android are STILL combing over the corpse of WebOS for UX inspiration. Gesture controls using the edge of the screen? Palm did it first. Universal search? Palm did it first. Quick settings pane? Palm again. The card interface for application switching with the swipe gesture to dismiss running applications? If you guessed Palm, then you'd be correct. Cloud-based contacts and user information storage? Palm really was ahead of the game. Wireless charging? It wasn't a standard feature by default at first, but Palm did offer it as a replacement back panel for the Pre+ using a pair of pogo contact pins on the device that poked a pair of pads connected to the induction coil. Ambient clock mode while wireless charging? You really thought Apple came up with that first?
In retrospect, HP did make a grave decision to can Palm devices. WebOS was way ahead of it's time and more powerful hardware would have made it's real multitasking potential shine. Too bad we had people whom were too dismissive of real innovation.
HP messed up big time with the webOS products IMHO. Back then WebOS was a well developed and relatively mature product for mobile devices and Android at the time was still not quite there yet in terms of market dominance (and user experience - and perhaps still so). Blackberry 10 was in a similar situation to HP WebOS IMHO.
I miss these little phones.
Man I have heavily modified Firefox I left this tab opened for 2 hours without watching it and now this tab LEAKS memmory heavily aaaaaaa
yeah the latest firefox seems to have a memory leak somewhere.
26:00 Is that an msata port on a tablet?
i have the same question, problably is the LTE wwan, what is uncommon on a non-notebook, and open a platora of questions
I was working in telco retail at at the time. I used a Palm Pre. It was hands down the best email device. Better than a Blackberry that required an ungodly expensive server setup for most decent features, more complete than email on Android and MILES better than email on iOS which (at the time) was an overrated mess. I'm not even sure iOS supported IMAP back then, but might be misremembering.
In my opinion, HP made one fundamental mistake with WebOS, they dropped the Palm name. It had heritage and meant something to the consumer. Veer? What the hell is a Veer? ... and how is anyone going to take me seriously if I take a Pixie out of my pocket? (An actual reaction from a customer)
On a side note, a few years before this Nokia also made a fundamental mistake by refusing to accept Android was the way to go. Had the N8 had Android, Nokia would have survived the shift into smartphones, The N8 was the best piece of hardware at launch, on the market, completely borked by an awful OS... but that's a conversation for another day.
Team LG WebOS TV
i love the konami code reference in the search bar
"upupdowndownleftr"-cuts off
It would have been nice to see WebOS continue on tablets
They should have at least released this before pulling the plug on WebOS. I feel if it was priced right, it would be a good contender to Android and Iphone, or maybe it would have ended up similar to Windows Phone-who knows?
Headphone jack on the top 💀 that such a stupid idea. No wonder why the iPad was good having the jack on the side in landscape.
Seems like they used Jira for agile working, poor lads at Palm