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The perfect anti-villain. Even Snake in MGS4 admits Solidus was right about everything. Makes you wonder had Solidus gone about it another way if he may have actually succeeded and been seen in the light he wanted to be in.
If that ever happened we'd see the "Escape from New York" situation. Literally.
That's kind of a good idea for a parallel-universe-timeline game, Konami, take notes.
What if he succeeded in killing raiden?
@@rvolvr3650 He'd have been as clued in as Solid and Otacon would have been.
@@michaelbeale2498 idk about that, solidus wanted to kill raiden for 3 reasons
1 Data inside his nano machines
2 punishment for accidentally helping the patriots
3 a way to give raiden a chance at revenge for killing his parents
@@ThePickleBehindTheSlaughter Solidus succeeding would've meant the Patriots never would've been taken down. Somehow only Sunny was the only one actually capable of destroying the AI and Raiden dying would've led to her dying as well. Solidus would've been left with bogus information as his only lead and it would've all been for nothing.
R.I.P John Cygan 1954-2017.
I just heard the news. Fucking depressing. :(
He lived a good life. May he rest in piece.
Wtf he passed away?! R.I.P :/
thefreeburningspirit Cancer, dude.
@05r yep
Only Fucking Hideo Kojima could pitch the antagonist ant the protagonist atop the federal hall on the anniversary of Washington's inauguration with A katana fight echoing the samurai of a country across the fucking ocean.
Fiftythousandfrozenfoxes faltaron las banderas USA
.....all this because the protagonist couldn't remember his girlfriends anniversary
Panta Rhei o por ser una fecha conmemorativa nacional...
+ Panta Rhei damnit Raiden!
@@richariot8325Oh please, blame Rose for that~!🤣🤣
"Rose, does she actually exist?"
"Of course I do Jack! You have to beLIEve me!"
@@lopanreturns7085 LOL.
@@lopanreturns7085 SBREN SBEVE
DAMNNN
You guys are such dorks aha!XD
For a badass former president with a badass armor and a badass pair of blades, Solidus deserves to have this badass theme.
And badass tentacles
CHECK OUT MY SWEET TENTACLE ARMS!
Always made me wonder how he was President and no one noticed that he's *the perfect clone of Big Boss*.
And a badasss body😏
Snake I always thought of it like this, big boss is a legend but since he was part of the CIA only people in the intelligence community really knew that legend or what he looked like. It's pretty much a ghost story so when solidus becomes president only the people involved with big boss would have known right?
This would not be the last time Raiden stood near a destroyed metal gear and fought a politician with a katana, weirdly enough.
Armstrong was essentially continuing what Solidus started
Or the last time raiden fought a guy with two swords and extra arms
also the katana not being his in both of the situations
in mgs2 its olga's katana actually
Who will it be? Solidus, the Patriots' creation, or Raiden, Solidus' creation?
Our beloved monsters..... Enjoy yourselves.
RIP John Cygan one of my favorite voice actors ever.
He did a fantastic job playing Solidus.
@@chocov1233 And Canderous Ordo from Kotor
JD: "Raiden you have to beat Solidus. This your last duty!"
Raiden: "We're not just pawns in some simulation game, you know!"
Rose AI: "Yes you are! You're nothing but mere weapons. No different from fighter jets or tanks."
Raiden: "What the---?!"
JD: "The model destroyed 4 years ago was 'REX'."
Rose AI: "The new amphibous model is 'RAY'."
JD: "Both of these are the codenames used by the US armed forces to refer to Japanese war planes used during World War 2."
Rose AI: "Your codename Raiden, too comes from the Japanese navy's names for one of it's interceptor's."
Raiden: "Stop it! I'm not a weapon!!"
Rose AI: "Oh really? Do you know the code name used by the US armed forces for the Japanese fighter 'Raiden'?"
JD: "It was 'Jack'. Both of you are just weapons to be used and thrown away."
Rose AI: "Just weapons to be used on the battlefield. Just pawns in a game... Exactly as you said."
JD: "And a weapon has no right to think for itself! Now, it's time to fulfil your purpose! Defeat Solidus!"
Raiden is no mere weapon, he's a god of Thunder.
"our beloved monsters...enjoy yourselfs..."
I'm concerned for the fact i heard this entire exchange in my head with all the og voices and music clear as day
@@wizkidgamer9942 He's Mr. Lighting Bolt
He's the rain transformed
JD, not GW. GW was destroyed by Emma’s worm cluster.
Solidus always felt like a better opponent than Liquid. He felt in control throughout the events of Big Shell, never losing his cool, unlike Liquid. And yet Liquid's the favorite, for some reason.
+Marchof31Days: I was roundly disappointed with Liquid. Solidus and Volgin, however. THAT is how to make a great villain.
+SwordHMX You, I like you. Volgin too was a great villain; in fact, most everything in MGS3 was great.
+Marchof31Days He's likely the favorite because of the game he's in. I actually prefer Solidus myself, but MGS1 is legendary to fans for being...well, the first MGS and starting all the awesomeness. MGS2's fantabulous in my opinion, but it's a mixed bag with fans for taking snake away and replacing him with some nerd by comparison. That soured the entire game up for some.
+Marchof31Days BRUTHAAA
+You Don't Deserve A Computer This game is my favorite, I know you don't have snake, but the shit at the end blew my mind.
Solidus, a “terrorist”, the true hero of the story. Only thwarted by us the pawn, the villain. Couldn’t think of a better theme for such an awesome character.
Not a hero, nobles goals and all but his methods remain unsavory. A anti villain is a better description of him
I don’t think a man who made Small Boy Units could be a hero
- "Good work, Jack. But this is where it gets interesting...*Powers up* AAAAAAAGH!!"
+Jaykmeit All I can ever think is that his gear landed on some poor unsuspecting person. I realize the city's probably been evacuated by this point, but I still always picture his "tentacle backpack" crushing someone walking down a sidewalk.
+You Don't Deserve A Computer hahaha
LETS GO!
*Actually gets easier because he no longer fires those stupid missles.*
This track appears on the second Soundtrack Album for the game "The Other Side" and all the music on that Disc is done by Norihiko Hibino. He also came back and done extra tracks for Substance such as the VR Training stuff, etc.
Williams only done around 40% of the score, which was mainly cutscene work and grand events in the game, Hibino is the guy responsible for the gameplay side, from the jazzy sound of the Struts on the Plant to boss themes such as Yell Dead Cell and Father & Son.
Hibino is terribly underrated. Never understood the hype for Harry Williams. I dont remember his scores. I do remember the badass in-game music by Hibino tho.
second half of this song.... So good.
1:42 is where shit gets real
BRRRRUAAAAAAAHHHH!
Good work Jack... but this is where it gets interesting.
Underrated Snake for a underrated game. MGS2 is Kojima's Masterpiece.
It's a testament to the writers of this game (not just Kojima, most videogames are a group effort) that they can make me actually feel bad for someone as fucking MONSTROUS as Solidus and actually agree with his goals for the most part.
He's a anti villain, his goals are noble, his tactics? Not so much
I kinda wished we'd fought Solidus in Revengeance, when they could've had a REAL sword fight.
+Aidan Keogh That would've been INSANE. But he's dead ): Burned, even.
+Aidan Keogh Oh man there should have been some kind of VR mission for that.
+Yamato Hotsuin Considering how crazy Metal Gear can get with its conspiracy theories, if they really wanted to do they could say he originally wasn't brain dead but with a messed up body he had his mind maped to a computer and now has a human size metal gear as a robot body. Serously we've got a 4th wall braking man with esp, a terrorist named Vamp who is constantly implied to be a vampire, and a ghost who use the souls of the people you killed as wepions agenst you it really isn't hard to bring someone back from the dead in this series.
Demi-Fiend of Time
True
Heck, I thought Solidus would be the REAL mastermind behind World Marshal all along, reborn in a cyborg body like his lieutenants. Senator Armstrong was satisfying (and hilarious!) though... Maybe in Revengeance 2?
'It's been a while... Jack.'
Say anything about Steven Armstrong or "It Has To Be This Way" song. But this is still the most amazing final boss Raiden ever fight.
0:00 -Metal Gear Rays
1:09 -Solidus
1:54 -Epic Conclusion
Thanks. I thought the Ray Battle was similar but different. Now I see it's actually the same.
@@FerminMi its not the same this one has more instruments to it
"You're MINE, SON OF THE BOSS!"
wait... oops...
Spooky Boy "Major, I'm BURNING UP!"
wen u and ur deadbeat dad get into a fight
Tranarchism Studios "Great work, Jack. But this is where it gets interesting. "
Deadbeat Adoptive dad... A.k.a. Harry Potter with swords instead of magic
@@cynicalnitro8416 Don't bring that sjw shit here.
Not ashamed to say it, I've played MGS2 the most and Solidus has to be my favorite villain in Metal Gear, EVER. >:D
Honestly solidus is the best villain
Liquid was just evil for the sake of it
Liquid ocelot whilst interesting is really easy to understand not as complex as solidus
Volgin was cool but unnecessary
Skull face was a cool villain but also kinda dumbed down to V story
Bernie Sanders as a terrorist. Can't beat it.
@@theunlucky1326 I kinda disagree. Liquid, although was a bit of a mustache twirling villain, was also led to believe that he was the lesser clone with the recessive genes from Big Boss so he had that complex that he had to prove himself. Which he did many times over. But his will to prove himself worthy and surpass Big Boss blinded him to his reality. I think Ocelot had a lot to do with manipulating him too, as Liquid ended up being just another pawn in the long run. I guess his genes and perception detached him from his own humanity, where Solid found reasons to fight beyond just simply being the best at what he does.
Solidus is the greatest anti-hero of all time. He was basically trying to free the entire planet from the illuminati.
The hero who kills parents and force their children to fight in civil wars.
Ha Ha Ha, can't take It...
Well, as much as the end doesn't justify the means, I personally cannot help sympathizing with solidus
@@sergiogonzales330 he said "anti-hero" not "hero"
@@macaco_amigo Still not an anti-hero
Ever read about anti-villains?
Raiden, You have to beat Solidus! This is your last duty!
Punished Mallard were not just weapons, y'know?
Generic white kid the second "Yes you are. You are tool just like planes or tanks"
Black Raitoningu “What the...”
ThIs Is YoUr LaSt DuTy
"Our beloved monsters.....enjoy yourselves."
That whole end of the codec sent chills down my spine
Implying Raiden was a bad soldier?
At the end of Solid 2, Raiden was just as capable a soldier as Solid Snake was. S3 program? Remember?
A final dual above an uncaring, oblivious world that consists of a man with nothing to lose aginst another with nothing to gain.
This is definitely up there along with Phantasy Star IV and Sonic the Hedgehog 3 in terms of most badass final boss music. Great theme.
What's a sonic?
..."Whats wrong with you..."
-dashes away- Good work Jack but this is where it gets interesting...Hou...GYEAAHHH!"
octo-arms fly off- GOD I love Solidus He's the pinicle of badassery
(Ray Screeching intensifies)
Thanks for posting this!! i can't believe this was 7 years Ago!!!! I am getting old!! In my Solidus voice "Take This"
Lol noob!
Call me a noob when MGO comes out on PS4!
+Saint Louis GamingTV Please don't get me started with the infiltrators. OH YOU CAN FIRE WHILE YOUR CLOAK IS ON AND GO AWAY SCOTT FREE?! BULLSHIT.
Its been 12 years
Solidus and Raiden, Big Boss and Solid Snake.
Fathers and sons, but only one pair endured it all to the end.
"This country is better off forever buried. We will build a new nation that truly balances liberty and independence."
1:43 so EPIC !
I ll never miss this magic moment on my PS2 ! Best memories of my childhood !!! 💥
This game is so deep and tragic. The final battle is literally between the father and son. And the father always wins, albeit people only realize it later
"Is that the best you can do!?"
Oh if I had a quarter for every time he said that....
1:54 sounds so incredible. I wish this part could’ve gone on a bit longer
Solidus did nothing wrong
except for killing Raiden's parents and then kidnapping him to train him to be a child soldier. yes, sure, nothing wrong at all. :P
Wafu Though he wanted to kill Raiden just to find the location of the Patriots
yeah but he was trying to take them down that was good just in the wrong way.
Didn't he crash arsenal into Manhattan?
g morel well no I think you need to watch MGS2 ending better because it was onclot who did that remember his words ITS TO LATE arsenal gear is going haywire it’s on a emergency set course then when he gets possessed by liquid snake he was the one to do the honers remember liquids snakes says before getting away it’s like stuffing it’s a good way to go! this tells me liquid snake was the one to push the button because noticed as soon as he says that arsenal takes off to federal hell New York 🤔 so no it wasn’t solidus who did that at all.
this and yell dead cell are my favorite mgs themes of all time
Virgin Liquid Vs Chad Solidus
He was president so he must have gotten head at one point.
I loved Solidus character. Yeah he was sinister evil but hes the only Big Boss Clone who uses swords and a Full Armor Suit with 2 Tentacles to shoot with!
+angelshadow3593 AND machine guns. Solidus does what Solidus wants.
God I love this game. The way it fucks up your head is incredible, and the soundtrack just intensifies this. Just listen to the effects starting at 1:11. It's literally like the game's going to break.
If you ask me, Harry Gregson-Williams has nothing on this guy. Compared to this masterpiece, his music is just noise.
Great theme for the final battle,
gets you prepared to fight Solidus.
Solidus was a true patriot.
Fighting this man on European Extreme was a fight to remember.
1:09 "Good work, Jack..."
1:42: "...but this is where it gets interesting."
1:53 "HRAAAAAGH!"
I never dared to play this level of difficulty knowing I’ll end up losing my sanity...
@@RedRose.90 Oh, i lost more than just my sanity...
@@RedRose.90 Is not really that difficult. I've just finished getting the Big Boss codename in Extreme, the difficulty comes when you do a non-lethal run because using the tranquilizer gun means less dmg and no stun against certain enemies. For example, that sniping part is less difficult when using the regular PSG-1 rather tham the T version. Tengus are much easier using Nikitas and Stingers.
Sergio Gonzales What about that part where Snake and Raiden are fighting the soldiers? I found it a bit tough especially that Snake gets more damage than Raiden
there's no theme out there that can be made to epic proportions like this. this is the beat-all, end-all.
That rear backstep counterattack Raiden ends the fight with fits so perfectly into the ending of the track. Fucking audio-action synergy on a conceptual level. Brilliant.
the best song in the entire series its true battle music to its finest
i would sell my soul for a solidus dlc for MGR
I think that it would have been interesting to play as solidus in MgsV instead of venom snake, it could have had the same plot twist and it would develop even more of the solidus story
I like that idea. Would have made more sense to do it that way.
I guarantee you if you play it on PC there's a mod already
He was ten years old... but yeah I think they never should have made him younger than the twins... should’ve been older like he looks. Would’ve made more sense if they made a normal clone first before experimenting with enhanced genes
Great music and a nice robotic theme to it. I can visualise the fight on Federal Hall.
The track ends perfectly to the way the actual fight between the two ends: you can literally hear Jack sidestepping Solidus' double-bladed lunge to cut his back. *YOU CAN LITERALLY HEAR IT* !
One of my favorite songs from my favorite game, MGS2, which is my first Metal gear game I actually played. The plot of the game was just genius, all the twist and turns, and how you slowly start to find out Raiden's terrible past, then at the end fight the person who made your life horrible. This game is just over all amazing to me. Hideo Kojima you are awesome!
this was the main fight in the game that had my adrenaline up. this song brings back epic memories
Emptying the dishwasher has never been more epic. Now if only I had a high frequency blade to speed things up..
Good work jack but this is where it gets interesting!
All of the dislikes on this video are from people that tried beating the game on extreme mode but could not defeat the game.
OR were too freaked out by AI colonel. XD
tailedgates9 I won't lie Campbell freak me out at the end of that game and 25 metal years Jesus Christ who cares about fighting your father that was easy but 25 metal years screw my life on extreme mode
25 sounds like hell. o.o
finding stingers was easy but rations... FML
@TheSnk1001 No, it is a new system introduced in this collection. Basically, it transfers the save from a PS3 game ported from PSP, to the PSP (Let's remember that Peace Walker isn't the only game from PSP that is going to come out in PS3), that way you can use your save in both versions of the game. Of course, you can then transfer it back to PS3 and keep playing with the updated graphics and features.
"Lets go!" 'Solidus starts sliding leaving traces of fire then elbows me in the face' WOAH SHIT!
Imagine this epic fight and this epic theme in a Metal Gear anime.
Ah its like a wet dream, I cant imagine.
The greatest bass ever.
"You have to win Jack! Don't forget my life's at stake too! Try to do something for me for a change!"
One of the best bosses ever
Can’t wait to play this game again this fall on PS5!
@TheSnk1001 I guess you already know, but MGS HD Collection is coming out in November, and it includes MGS2, MGS3 and MGS Peace Walker for the PS3 and Xbox 360
This theme makes Solidus Such a badass which he is
You may or may not know this, but that is actually the point where the song switches from the Metal Gear Rays version to the Solidus Snake version. So your comment is most fitting.
@SirIlpalazzo
Yeah I agree actually, he was pretty much in the gray, the only thing keeping him from being bad is that his overall cause is to free everyone from being controlled.
"our beloved monsters..."
the world only needs one big boss
most epic music i've ever heard in my entire life
"..And now, you've been led back to war by something less than real."
AI:"Hey Jack hows the killing going?"
AI: "Remenber Rose's and Olga's child's lives are in your hands,fail and they will die.DEFEAT SOLIDUS."
@arnis666 Raidan is the adopted son of Solidus. There is a WHOLE section talking about his childhood, and how he was nicknamed "Jack the Ripper" o_o The whole reel probably lasted around 15+ minutes. At least it felt like it.
I think it was "Les Enfants Terribles" "The Terrible Children". Les Miserables is a classic novel by Victor Hugo.
The most epic face-off music ever, period.
There's room for only one Snake and one Big Boss!
solidus needs his own game!!!
The 5 people that disliked this was Raiden, Snake, Colonel, Rose and Otacon
@SparkX61 There's a lot or rumours about an "MGS collection" with MGS2 and 3 on a blu ray,nothing has been confirmed but I m pretty sure that soon it will be: GOW collection got a huge success so I think they won't miss an opportunity to make some money ;) (sorry for my english i'm french)
Our beloved monsters, enjoy yourselves.....
Such a pain to fight in the end, died so many times.
@pimentx You can see that in MGS2 it's a strugle between Ocelot and someone else.
That is why he removed Liquids arm. but in MGS2 it was liquid.
in MGS4 it was not. it was Just Ocelot that had gone trough mind therapy to become Liquid's mental double ganger. I would not say Ocelot is evil, far from that. I would say hes one of the good guys.
in MGS4 he really thinks he is Liquid after so much mind therapy and drugs.
Only when Snake kick hes ass does he get back to this world.
Freaking love this.
"HUUUUURAAAAAAAAHHHH!" *flexes tentacle part off*
Actually the one with Raiden vs Solidus is a bit different, this one is played during the Metal Gear RAY boss
@Xxandrew01 Just so you know, MGS didn't started on NES, there were some ports (though I think they changed things in the NES versions) for it, but the first Metal Gear games appeared on MSX2.
Does anybody know why Solidus killed Raiden's parents? He said it was to see if they really were someone else's creation or something like that. I never understood what that meant...
Jesse James Ah that makes sense, thanks!
1:44-1:55 sounds freaking amazing.
Good work Jack. This is where it gets interesting!
Is that the best you can do?- Solidus Snake
@kluang1 I think he would side with Ocelot first , since Ocelot is leading the game , but he would have his own plan to take control and cast Ocelot aside later .
PS: Solidus was alive in MGS 4 he was in the body bag of Big Boss , but I got what you ment ^^
Good Work Jack.
@jinhayate yeah makes sense but i was more talking about changing the tactical espionage action theme to lighting action :P
Solidus taught Raiden everything he knew while he raised him as a child soldier. Raiden wasnt just some rookie.
It starts to get badass around 1:10
"Do you honestly think you're in control?"
Another title for this is Mass-Produced RAY since it is played during the battle with Metal Gear RAY
If Metal Gear ever gets a new entire (not a remake like MGS Delta) it should be about Solidus' upbringing. He's the most interesting of the brothers with he idealistic war against the Patriots. It a shame we know so much about him yet so little compared to Snake and Liquid...
some parts in this game were sumwat scary but now i can play it in the dark without thinking vamp is behind me
actually solidus killed raidens parents on purpose. it was sort of an experiment for solidus. he needed to see if he was really other people's creations. raiden was sort of the test subject, he formed and shaped raiden into a killer and thus creating a monstrosity, just like solidus who was created to be a monster. so it sort of proves his theory. its pretty cold, but like mondo said he was machiavellian.