Link to NGS Skill Tree simulator: arks-layer.com/skillsim/ngs/skillcalc.php Strongly recommended to look through each skills and what they do. So you may build your own skill tree! If you really have no idea what to sub for Force and would like to take a look at my FoGu and FoTe build, here you go: FoGu if you DO plan to play Gunner as main class in the future: bit.ly/3iIv730 FoGu if you do NOT plan to play Gunner as main class at all, or have AC for another skill tree: bit.ly/3gygMDD FoTe if you DO plan to play Techer as a main class in the future: bit.ly/3xqDvZi FoTe if you do NOT plan to play Techer as main class at all, or have AC for an extra skill tree: bit.ly/3voj9OJ You are free to put those extra SP into whatever you think may benefit you.
There's an uncommented feature with Zonde Technique not commented on the video, if you use it uncharged, the bolt can jump between other targets nearby the first one hit
Also charged barta will prioritize the enemie's weak point even if it's on the other side of the enemy, very usefull for those fat guys or to avoid the need to turn around a boss to hit it's weak point.
Thank you so much for this video!! I was so confused about the PAs of Talis but I loved the Photon Blast animation so now I’m a Talis Forcer 🥳 Great job on a clear and straight forward video!
Most useful force guide I've found, I'm a new player and chose force as my starter class cause I often like playing a mage or any available ranged class if a game doesn't have magic. So I can get accustomed to how the game works, then I eventually use melee classes
About the Zonde-Clad, you can use uncharged GiZonde to build the 10x stacks without recasting since it is per hit but do recast it if the mob goes away so you can focus on charging Zonde without the hush of completing the Zonde-clad since Gizonde got it covered for you consistently.
I was maining force but now I'm going Techer/Force seems like the best of both worlds I get almost all of the really useful stuff in Force with the added abilities such as shifta deband from Techer. Also doing the wand parry is starting to get addicting and when I'm fighting bosses I camp rod until it gets a down state and then I go in for the elemental bonks.
Really? I'm the opposite. I leveled with force to 16 and I'm so fucking bored of spamming charged barta on dolls that when I looted a resurgir daggers I immediately fed my rod to them and started playing fighter
@@SomeAssh0le melee is combat is way more action and reactive .. but sometimes its just too demanding xD when bosses jump around so much its such annoying to jump after them after 1-2 hits xD
Reminder for Force Rod players Elemental bullet applies your Zonde and Barta effects such as chance to freeze or adding hits for stacks so guarding is very important for building the amount of stacks instead of risking a hit to fire an uncharged technique
Force is my primary interest, thank you very much for the break down, especially of the Talis as I've not seen many cover that. I'm bit lost on which sub I want to go with, I like the idea of Gunner's extra PP help as well as access to another kit of mid range weaponry. I've also seen some really interesting combos from the Hunter's Wired Lance and the Fighter's Twin Daggers I think they are called? To me it makes em look like they are holding blade style tonfas of sorts.
How you put that shield? I was looking on the skill tree and i dont se nothing, i just use katana normally but i want to use a talis, electric tecniques seems usefull
So I tried Force with my Arisa-N1 and I am loving it, though I dod not invest into the skills yet... So I recently created me 3rd chr, Mana-DMG and she will be me primary Force user, Arisa-N1 is primarily a Gunner and the first chr I created is called Valerie, she is primarily a Fighter. The one thing I can concerned about is the loss of HP for PP gain as I am a cautious kinda gamer... Other than this technicality, I love the floating animation during combat and the special attack is what inspired me to create the Dark Magician Girl from YuGiOh and the air combat in general is pretty neat too!
I have found multiweapon, Ranger/Force to be quite good. Launcher/Rod for single targets with parry weapon action and Launcher/Talis for AoE. I would have gone force Ranger so I can use the most powerful attack on Ranger 3 times in a row but I realized that more uptime on Weak bullet is quite powerful for everyone
I’m about a month into the game what do you think about Force/Bouncer works better then Force/Tech because all Tech gives me is photon increase gain faster. By subbing Bouncer you get a damage increase to downed mob(s). I’m working on Kaizer weapon now since rugged weapon has very low drop rate.
I initially tried Force for a subclass to Hunter to give it techniques and have PP recovery. Unfortunately it didn't work, since Force's PP recovery bonus does not work while gliding, sprinting, or holding the Wired Lance's weapon action AOE. I messed up my Force skill tree based the assumption the PP recovery would work (all the points into the PP recovery that I can't use too well for anything), so right now I'm using Techter for my techniques skill tree.
You could put the 3 points into Talis on Techer for Fo/Te... as well as Barta and Zonde for Techer and remove them from Force so you could put 2 more points into the PP regen trait.
I used to be a dedicated Force main in PSO2. Sadly, NGS Force doesn't really do it for me. :s What made PSO2 Forces work so well was that most Zones/Dungeons/Encounters had more than one weakness present, and there were a LOT of techniques. I could pick and choose from a lot of combat options even within just one single element. Even within just Fire, I could do an AOE fire swirl, a meteor drop, a close range swipe, a fireball, etc. And that was one element out of 6. But now? Now we only have 6 spells, and 2 of them (Gibarta and Gizonde) are exclusively close-ranged, where Forces generally do not want to be. If those two spells did like Gifoie does and turn into a ranged attack when charged, maybe that would help (I miss my icicle rain and my chain lightning!). The removal of "perfect timing" casting also makes Forces feel a bit more braindead too. The fact that most DOLLS are weak to Ice, and there are so few enemies weak to Lightning doesn't really help much either. (Also, it's weird that Fire spells don't have one of the Sigil Explosion type skills) Everything about Forces just feels stale and repetitive to me now. Meanwhile, Techters became SUPER dynamic. They're incentivized to get up close (so the Gi-level spells work well with them), and on top of being encouraged to be on the front lines dodging, parrying, and smashing enemies in the face to regain PP, they can ALSO pop the only buff skill in the game, AND heal their fellow frontline fighters. This is on TOP, of having access to ranged and melee spells, AND the Sigil Explosion spells. AND if you make Force your subclass (which just makes the most sense), you can also pull out a Rod or Talis if you're low on Restasigne and want to fight at range for a bit. They're basically like if a Wizard decided to become a Paladin. So, like...Forces are still the "Magical Artillery" of PSO, able to gain enough PP and extra magical damage that they can deliver fantastic damage, relatively stable DPS and frequent Elemental Stuns...But they've been simplified so much that they don't feel interesting anymore. Meanwhile, their biggest advantage (PP regen) can be slapped onto my Techter via being a Subclass. Forces, and Techniques in General need more love. Even if we had more weakness variety on enemies, or DOLLS who changed weaknesses when "turning red", or other things would help a LOT without needing to add new spells or active skills to Forces (although it feels SO weird to have 5 free spots on my Weapon Palette and only 2 spells per Element).
I feel like Techter is what happens when the mage class gets picked and bullied in school too much by the jocks, so he went and hit the gym everyday until he got swole. Now he is the one bullying the bullies. I'm a Te/Fo who never played PSO2 until the ninth.
We're going to get more techs in the future as said in the update roadmap. Also yeah trust me Wand feels shitty rn lmao. I dont know why wand auto attacks hard lock you in place that you cant cancel all of your wand attacka with the WA block
game literally gives force a 360 guard with strong counter yet people think force doesn’t wanna stay in close range🤔🤔🤔also compare ngs which literally came out last wednesday to base pso2 with a 8 year timespan and saying there aren’t enough techs, seriously?
Totally agree. It feels like Techter is the class and they split it in half to make Force. Rod is just spamming one spell until you get the mark on the enemy. Talis can't even mark them so its even more mindless. (I know you can with basic casting but then why even use talis at that point) Techter feels like it just has so much more going for it, feels like an actual class.
You may always use this link to see what kind of augments you want on your gear: pso2na.arks-visiphone.com/wiki/Portal:New_Genesis/List_of_Augments Or refer to my affixing guide ua-cam.com/video/nd7ZH_1q3xw/v-deo.html There is no perfect augment on your gear. It's all about what you want and need. I can't say for sure what to put on your gear, but as Force, look for tech damage increase. And if you need HP/PP or other stuff, you may look at each augment and what they give, and where to farm them. Hope that helps you out!
Nice guide, thank you for making it! :) Would it be possible for you to link a skill tree simulation of your build for us to reference when building our own Forces?
question, does the "Rod Technique Hold" work for the wand? the name indicates it's for rod only but it doesn't tell that it's rod only, i'm really confused over here.
I don't think tmg is a good choice to use on Gunner sub since you won't be able to use chain, it's mainly for attack PP regen. for now, I don't have a multiweapon since I don't feel like it's worth it.
for now I think not, since none of the weapon we got so far has a element on it, but to be honest idk how much of the different that will be on NGS. We shall wait and see in the future!
What's the consensus so far on rod vs talis? Will we be using both situationally, or is one just better than the other? I've been only using rod so far, but I'm getting hella 4star talis drops and no rods so was wondering if I should bother investing in the talis.
In my experience talis aoe come out much quicker, so if you are murdering a bunch of lower lvl creeps it's the way to go, but for fighting dolls, something with more hit points, or stuff with a weakness to lightning or ice the rod is the way to go IMHO. The ability to parry, and follow up with a photon bullet is a big time dps gain. The exception would be with maybe lightning. You could activate short gizonde, to start charging your big lighting hit, then deploy your talis, canceling it to reup gizonde 2 more times, hit with 1 short charge zonde, then popping your full charge gizonde/zonde before starting the process over. This would be hard to time correctly, and your mana pool would need to be impressive, but it would be the highest dps.
Much prefer rod because you can get your stacks to send in a charged shot for more damage and that's basically the only gameplay outside of dodging. I feel like Talis just shoots spells faster but you're basically just spamming one spell and its way less engaging. I don't really like the wand that much but I feel like going techter wand and using spells on the side is going to end up being the most fun.
actually you just read the description from the game but not explaining the skill itself. For example, Zonde Clad how do u cause damage using that passive skill?
First of all, I did put those skills into my own word, there are even things that’s not mentioned in the game, I tested them out and inform you about it such as Zonde Clad takes 10 ticks to build up the ring. Second of all, that IS the explanation of the skill and how it works, I tried to make it as straight forward as possible, if you can’t understand it you should go back and watch it again. Third of all, the footage behind the explanation are actually showing you how the skill works. You would want to pay attention to it. I hope that help you!
it's just preference, Talis can probably mob better with Spread Feather and PP regen on weapon action, at the cost of no guard. So it's pretty much up to you what you want to use.
arks-layer.com/skillsim/ngs/skillcalc.php you may check out this website, since I don't really know if you want to put SP into Talis or TMG related skills, you might have to play around with the simulator and see what's best for you!
@@leandroaraujo8 bit.ly/3gygMDD Here's what I get for you, assuming you don't want to play with TMG and have a skill tree just for gunner as a subclass, if not, you may check out the Gunner guide for class skill, and decide what you want to put in!
I can't really answer that question since I am using Cras rod from PSO2, but I can give you some ideas. 4 star weapon now in order to get it to the same level of Cras weapon or higher (I think it's possible), is to grind it to +40, unlock potential all the way to level4, and using affix capsules to get % dmg increase (that is a lot of investment btw). The Forsis rod has the potential to increase dmg by 24%, and reduce damage taken(I thik 50% dmg) when your HP is full. The Litharge rod has the potential to increase dmg by 21% and increase crit by 18% for 30s whenever you weapon action or sidestep an attack. It's really your personal preference, which you think will benefit you more, go for it, there's no absolute answer to which one is stronger.
update, from what Acry said about the +40 4 star weapon, without affix it's I think ~4% stronger. With affix probably can make it ~10% difference. In my honest opinion, if you have your PSO2 gear, you might want to wait till the next patch, which is 5 star or higher rarity weapon releases. However if you are starting fresh on NGS or don't have good affixes on your PSO2 gear, you may consider grinding a 4 star weapon and maybe affix it.
0_o Really? I have the opposite impression! PSO2 Forces had a LOT of fun spells they could use, many of which had some nifty utility (Zondeel to pull enemies away from Towers in the tower defense missions), and I always had to consider switching to different elements because most zones/dungeons had a variety of weaknesses to expoit. Maybe Forces didn't have the highest damage numbers, but there was a lot of variety. Now? If it's an animal, use fire. If it's a DOLLS, use Ice. I've only encountered one enemy, a boss, that's weak to lightning. It's also much safer to stay at range, which makes Gibarta and Gizonde practically useless against anything but mobs of small fry, so you're pushed to rely more on just the 3 basic single-target spells. Meaning gameplay is now mostly just "Stand away from enemies, use same attack over and over, with the upside of massive PP regen". I've gone from a dedicated Force main to Techter, which feels way more dynamic, AND can turn into a ranged Tech user if I subclass as Force.
imgur.com/ft2VYyG Since I almost always have my ice/lightning techniques charged up, I don't run Barta Bolt and Zonde Clad, and I don't really use Talis on Force, so I don't take those 3 Talis Skills. Again it's your personal playstyle, you put SP into anything you think that'll benefit you more.
In my opinion, if you want something simple(maybe easier too) I would say Rod, since Talis you will need to know which form (single target or AoE) to use at what situation, and it's a bit more complicated compare to Rod just using Technique, regular techs for single target and Gi types of technique for AoE. Plus you can guard on rod with weapon action, pretty sure it has more frame than trying to use sidestep to .
How you get that health bar at the top of the screen. I always thought it was dumb how there is no enemy health bar in this game or any of sega's other games
It's a shame none of the enemies in the release are weak to Zonde. Hopefully we'll get some enemies weak to Zonde in the new area this winter. Edit: Oh, the UQ boss is weak to Zonde. I did not know that. xD And yeah, I'm maining Force in NGS which I haven't done since PSO1. Couldn't do it in PSO2 because charge time was a lot longer.
Yeah, only the two Emergency/Urgent quest bosses. They are still missing Wind, Light, and Dark elements' techniques as well. Hope to see them in the future update; and yes with more types of enemies, weak to different elements instead of just fire and ice.
@@SilverHawk0987 all I can tell you is, if you think PP convert and PP recovery boost is more important than other skills on Fo skill tree, you are free to do w/e with it. It is completely up to you where you want to take some points off for those two skills.
I plan on getting everyone to lvl 20 :) Too bad the game's loadout system sucks @ss; they would have been able to copy World of Warcrafts superior loadout system if they didn't lock skill reset behind a stupid IRL paywall.
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Link to NGS Skill Tree simulator:
arks-layer.com/skillsim/ngs/skillcalc.php
Strongly recommended to look through each skills and what they do.
So you may build your own skill tree!
If you really have no idea what to sub for Force and would like to take a look at my FoGu and FoTe build, here you go:
FoGu if you DO plan to play Gunner as main class in the future:
bit.ly/3iIv730
FoGu if you do NOT plan to play Gunner as main class at all, or have AC for another skill tree:
bit.ly/3gygMDD
FoTe if you DO plan to play Techer as a main class in the future:
bit.ly/3xqDvZi
FoTe if you do NOT plan to play Techer as main class at all, or have AC for an extra skill tree:
bit.ly/3voj9OJ
You are free to put those extra SP into whatever you think may benefit you.
There's an uncommented feature with Zonde Technique not commented on the video, if you use it uncharged, the bolt can jump between other targets nearby the first one hit
Also charged barta will prioritize the enemie's weak point even if it's on the other side of the enemy, very usefull for those fat guys or to avoid the need to turn around a boss to hit it's weak point.
@@DPedroBoh well, that's nice, and needed, to be honest
I like the deep introduction to techter. excellent work!
Thank you so much for this video!! I was so confused about the PAs of Talis but I loved the Photon Blast animation so now I’m a Talis Forcer 🥳 Great job on a clear and straight forward video!
Most useful force guide I've found, I'm a new player and chose force as my starter class cause I often like playing a mage or any available ranged class if a game doesn't have magic. So I can get accustomed to how the game works, then I eventually use melee classes
Nice guide!!! Thank you very much !!!! Force is my Main with Techter on subclass !
About the Zonde-Clad, you can use uncharged GiZonde to build the 10x stacks without recasting since it is per hit but do recast it if the mob goes away so you can focus on charging Zonde without the hush of completing the Zonde-clad since Gizonde got it covered for you consistently.
I was maining force but now I'm going Techer/Force seems like the best of both worlds I get almost all of the really useful stuff in Force with the added abilities such as shifta deband from Techer. Also doing the wand parry is starting to get addicting and when I'm fighting bosses I camp rod until it gets a down state and then I go in for the elemental bonks.
Thanks, finally some one make a good video about this class.
Ty so much for this if you can make a video for max damage & wepon guides / armor augment that would be wonderful ty so much
I main fighter. After I leveled it to 20, I started playing force since it was my sub class and I love it. I might reconsider my main.
just make an multi weapon xD then you can play both at the same time .. if you skilled the rod/dmg skills
I'm considering multiweaponing my Vialto DS with a Talis to escape from this Half Julienne hell. Looks interesting so far.
@@magiautomata yeah im playng fi/fo and later maybe te/fi with DS and Talis
Really? I'm the opposite. I leveled with force to 16 and I'm so fucking bored of spamming charged barta on dolls that when I looted a resurgir daggers I immediately fed my rod to them and started playing fighter
@@SomeAssh0le melee is combat is way more action and reactive .. but sometimes its just too demanding xD when bosses jump around so much its such annoying to jump after them after 1-2 hits xD
Reminder for Force Rod players Elemental bullet applies your Zonde and Barta effects such as chance to freeze or adding hits for stacks so guarding is very important for building the amount of stacks instead of risking a hit to fire an uncharged technique
Force is my primary interest, thank you very much for the break down, especially of the Talis as I've not seen many cover that.
I'm bit lost on which sub I want to go with, I like the idea of Gunner's extra PP help as well as access to another kit of mid range weaponry.
I've also seen some really interesting combos from the Hunter's Wired Lance and the Fighter's Twin Daggers I think they are called? To me it makes em look like they are holding blade style tonfas of sorts.
How you put that shield? I was looking on the skill tree and i dont se nothing, i just use katana normally but i want to use a talis, electric tecniques seems usefull
So I tried Force with my Arisa-N1 and I am loving it, though I dod not invest into the skills yet...
So I recently created me 3rd chr, Mana-DMG and she will be me primary Force user, Arisa-N1 is primarily a Gunner and the first chr I created is called Valerie, she is primarily a Fighter.
The one thing I can concerned about is the loss of HP for PP gain as I am a cautious kinda gamer...
Other than this technicality, I love the floating animation during combat and the special attack is what inspired me to create the Dark Magician Girl from YuGiOh and the air combat in general is pretty neat too!
thanks bestie
I have found multiweapon, Ranger/Force to be quite good. Launcher/Rod for single targets with parry weapon action and Launcher/Talis for AoE. I would have gone force Ranger so I can use the most powerful attack on Ranger 3 times in a row but I realized that more uptime on Weak bullet is quite powerful for everyone
cna force not use the dark, light,or wind technique's?
Force was my first level 20, and I've been enjoying it more than I did on base PSO2.
I’m about a month into the game what do you think about Force/Bouncer works better then Force/Tech because all Tech gives me is photon increase gain faster. By subbing Bouncer you get a damage increase to downed mob(s). I’m working on Kaizer weapon now since rugged weapon has very low drop rate.
i main talis! talis is so much fun :D
I initially tried Force for a subclass to Hunter to give it techniques and have PP recovery. Unfortunately it didn't work, since Force's PP recovery bonus does not work while gliding, sprinting, or holding the Wired Lance's weapon action AOE.
I messed up my Force skill tree based the assumption the PP recovery would work (all the points into the PP recovery that I can't use too well for anything), so right now I'm using Techter for my techniques skill tree.
I’m using hunter/force right now. Should I change it to techter then?
You could put the 3 points into Talis on Techer for Fo/Te... as well as Barta and Zonde for Techer and remove them from Force so you could put 2 more points into the PP regen trait.
Force is the best I go with fighter sub
Long Rod
Or small PP Talis
Choose your weapon action
I used to be a dedicated Force main in PSO2. Sadly, NGS Force doesn't really do it for me. :s
What made PSO2 Forces work so well was that most Zones/Dungeons/Encounters had more than one weakness present, and there were a LOT of techniques. I could pick and choose from a lot of combat options even within just one single element. Even within just Fire, I could do an AOE fire swirl, a meteor drop, a close range swipe, a fireball, etc. And that was one element out of 6.
But now? Now we only have 6 spells, and 2 of them (Gibarta and Gizonde) are exclusively close-ranged, where Forces generally do not want to be. If those two spells did like Gifoie does and turn into a ranged attack when charged, maybe that would help (I miss my icicle rain and my chain lightning!). The removal of "perfect timing" casting also makes Forces feel a bit more braindead too. The fact that most DOLLS are weak to Ice, and there are so few enemies weak to Lightning doesn't really help much either. (Also, it's weird that Fire spells don't have one of the Sigil Explosion type skills)
Everything about Forces just feels stale and repetitive to me now.
Meanwhile, Techters became SUPER dynamic. They're incentivized to get up close (so the Gi-level spells work well with them), and on top of being encouraged to be on the front lines dodging, parrying, and smashing enemies in the face to regain PP, they can ALSO pop the only buff skill in the game, AND heal their fellow frontline fighters. This is on TOP, of having access to ranged and melee spells, AND the Sigil Explosion spells. AND if you make Force your subclass (which just makes the most sense), you can also pull out a Rod or Talis if you're low on Restasigne and want to fight at range for a bit. They're basically like if a Wizard decided to become a Paladin.
So, like...Forces are still the "Magical Artillery" of PSO, able to gain enough PP and extra magical damage that they can deliver fantastic damage, relatively stable DPS and frequent Elemental Stuns...But they've been simplified so much that they don't feel interesting anymore. Meanwhile, their biggest advantage (PP regen) can be slapped onto my Techter via being a Subclass.
Forces, and Techniques in General need more love. Even if we had more weakness variety on enemies, or DOLLS who changed weaknesses when "turning red", or other things would help a LOT without needing to add new spells or active skills to Forces (although it feels SO weird to have 5 free spots on my Weapon Palette and only 2 spells per Element).
I feel like Techter is what happens when the mage class gets picked and bullied in school too much by the jocks, so he went and hit the gym everyday until he got swole. Now he is the one bullying the bullies.
I'm a Te/Fo who never played PSO2 until the ninth.
We're going to get more techs in the future as said in the update roadmap. Also yeah trust me Wand feels shitty rn lmao. I dont know why wand auto attacks hard lock you in place that you cant cancel all of your wand attacka with the WA block
game literally gives force a 360 guard with strong counter yet people think force doesn’t wanna stay in close range🤔🤔🤔also compare ngs which literally came out last wednesday to base pso2 with a 8 year timespan and saying there aren’t enough techs, seriously?
The game only just came out, you never know what may change in the future regarding each class.
Totally agree. It feels like Techter is the class and they split it in half to make Force. Rod is just spamming one spell until you get the mark on the enemy. Talis can't even mark them so its even more mindless. (I know you can with basic casting but then why even use talis at that point) Techter feels like it just has so much more going for it, feels like an actual class.
can you do a video on what augments people should be putting on a force?
You may always use this link to see what kind of augments you want on your gear:
pso2na.arks-visiphone.com/wiki/Portal:New_Genesis/List_of_Augments
Or refer to my affixing guide
ua-cam.com/video/nd7ZH_1q3xw/v-deo.html
There is no perfect augment on your gear. It's all about what you want and need.
I can't say for sure what to put on your gear, but as Force, look for tech damage increase.
And if you need HP/PP or other stuff, you may look at each augment and what they give, and where to farm them.
Hope that helps you out!
Do you happen to have the potency of tricky capacitor and the talis pa tech shots?
I play tech/Force. Te sigils are great ,really helps taking down bigger enemies fast.
Force: **gets all the aggro during UQ**
Also force: *readies elemental bullet parry* “FINALLY! OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY!”
but I got stab in the face :(
Nice guide, thank you for making it! :) Would it be possible for you to link a skill tree simulation of your build for us to reference when building our own Forces?
how did you block the attack without shield skill on sub pallet or weapon skill slot?
(sorry my english skill not that good hope you understand it)
You can remap the block weapon action to a mouse button, or any more convenient button. It doesn't have to be on your pallet/sub-pallet.
question, does the "Rod Technique Hold" work for the wand? the name indicates it's for rod only but it doesn't tell that it's rod only, i'm really confused over here.
it's a rod only skill, not going to work for Wand.
@@DaeDae0415 well damn, are you sure it's rod only?
@@DaeDae0415 well it's a good thing i didn't take it.
We need more
what multiweapon did you end up going for? i also want to play FoGu but can't find machine guns to go with the trois de rod
I don't think tmg is a good choice to use on Gunner sub since you won't be able to use chain, it's mainly for attack PP regen.
for now, I don't have a multiweapon since I don't feel like it's worth it.
lol yeah, basically spamming 1 skill for the urgent bosses
so no multiple rods for different elements like base pso2?
for now I think not, since none of the weapon we got so far has a element on it, but to be honest idk how much of the different that will be on NGS. We shall wait and see in the future!
What's the consensus so far on rod vs talis? Will we be using both situationally, or is one just better than the other? I've been only using rod so far, but I'm getting hella 4star talis drops and no rods so was wondering if I should bother investing in the talis.
In my experience talis aoe come out much quicker, so if you are murdering a bunch of lower lvl creeps it's the way to go, but for fighting dolls, something with more hit points, or stuff with a weakness to lightning or ice the rod is the way to go IMHO. The ability to parry, and follow up with a photon bullet is a big time dps gain. The exception would be with maybe lightning. You could activate short gizonde, to start charging your big lighting hit, then deploy your talis, canceling it to reup gizonde 2 more times, hit with 1 short charge zonde, then popping your full charge gizonde/zonde before starting the process over. This would be hard to time correctly, and your mana pool would need to be impressive, but it would be the highest dps.
Much prefer rod because you can get your stacks to send in a charged shot for more damage and that's basically the only gameplay outside of dodging. I feel like Talis just shoots spells faster but you're basically just spamming one spell and its way less engaging. I don't really like the wand that much but I feel like going techter wand and using spells on the side is going to end up being the most fun.
Techer/force for me :D mainly using Rod
actually you just read the description from the game but not explaining the skill itself. For example, Zonde Clad how do u cause damage using that passive skill?
First of all, I did put those skills into my own word, there are even things that’s not mentioned in the game, I tested them out and inform you about it such as Zonde Clad takes 10 ticks to build up the ring. Second of all, that IS the explanation of the skill and how it works, I tried to make it as straight forward as possible, if you can’t understand it you should go back and watch it again. Third of all, the footage behind the explanation are actually showing you how the skill works. You would want to pay attention to it.
I hope that help you!
Is there any reason to use talis on force?
it's just preference, Talis can probably mob better with Spread Feather and PP regen on weapon action, at the cost of no guard.
So it's pretty much up to you what you want to use.
could you recommend a skill tree for FO/GU?
arks-layer.com/skillsim/ngs/skillcalc.php
you may check out this website, since I don't really know if you want to put SP into Talis or TMG related skills, you might have to play around with the simulator and see what's best for you!
@@DaeDae0415 I don't intend to use tails for now lol too complex for my tiny little brain
@@leandroaraujo8 bit.ly/3gygMDD Here's what I get for you, assuming you don't want to play with TMG and have a skill tree just for gunner as a subclass, if not, you may check out the Gunner guide for class skill, and decide what you want to put in!
@@DaeDae0415 Thank you so much!
a little question, is the foursis rod is the best rod at the moment?
I can't really answer that question since I am using Cras rod from PSO2, but I can give you some ideas.
4 star weapon now in order to get it to the same level of Cras weapon or higher (I think it's possible), is to grind it to +40, unlock potential all the way to level4, and using affix capsules to get % dmg increase (that is a lot of investment btw).
The Forsis rod has the potential to increase dmg by 24%, and reduce damage taken(I thik 50% dmg) when your HP is full.
The Litharge rod has the potential to increase dmg by 21% and increase crit by 18% for 30s whenever you weapon action or sidestep an attack.
It's really your personal preference, which you think will benefit you more, go for it, there's no absolute answer to which one is stronger.
update, from what Acry said about the +40 4 star weapon, without affix it's I think ~4% stronger. With affix probably can make it ~10% difference.
In my honest opinion, if you have your PSO2 gear, you might want to wait till the next patch, which is 5 star or higher rarity weapon releases.
However if you are starting fresh on NGS or don't have good affixes on your PSO2 gear, you may consider grinding a 4 star weapon and maybe affix it.
@@DaeDae0415 thanks for the advice but I already made one to 40, it's stronger than my rivalate rod 35
force is my main, in pso2 the force class was very weak and unbalanced, but now it's super fun
0_o Really? I have the opposite impression!
PSO2 Forces had a LOT of fun spells they could use, many of which had some nifty utility (Zondeel to pull enemies away from Towers in the tower defense missions), and I always had to consider switching to different elements because most zones/dungeons had a variety of weaknesses to expoit. Maybe Forces didn't have the highest damage numbers, but there was a lot of variety.
Now? If it's an animal, use fire. If it's a DOLLS, use Ice. I've only encountered one enemy, a boss, that's weak to lightning. It's also much safer to stay at range, which makes Gibarta and Gizonde practically useless against anything but mobs of small fry, so you're pushed to rely more on just the 3 basic single-target spells. Meaning gameplay is now mostly just "Stand away from enemies, use same attack over and over, with the upside of massive PP regen".
I've gone from a dedicated Force main to Techter, which feels way more dynamic, AND can turn into a ranged Tech user if I subclass as Force.
@@AegixDrakan can you share what the TE/FO tree might look like? Thanks man!
Would you mind sharing your skill tree?
imgur.com/ft2VYyG
Since I almost always have my ice/lightning techniques charged up, I don't run Barta Bolt and Zonde Clad, and I don't really use Talis on Force, so I don't take those 3 Talis Skills. Again it's your personal playstyle, you put SP into anything you think that'll benefit you more.
nice
What weapon would you recommend to a new player like me ?
In my opinion, if you want something simple(maybe easier too) I would say Rod, since Talis you will need to know which form (single target or AoE) to use at what situation, and it's a bit more complicated compare to Rod just using Technique, regular techs for single target and Gi types of technique for AoE. Plus you can guard on rod with weapon action, pretty sure it has more frame than trying to use sidestep to .
How you get that health bar at the top of the screen. I always thought it was dumb how there is no enemy health bar in this game or any of sega's other games
It's only for 8 man Emergency/Urgent Quest, should be there by default, other bosses outside the quest don't have that HP bar.
@@DaeDae0415 Thats such a dumb move by the devs. Thanks for letting me know
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It's a shame none of the enemies in the release are weak to Zonde. Hopefully we'll get some enemies weak to Zonde in the new area this winter.
Edit: Oh, the UQ boss is weak to Zonde. I did not know that. xD And yeah, I'm maining Force in NGS which I haven't done since PSO1. Couldn't do it in PSO2 because charge time was a lot longer.
Yeah, only the two Emergency/Urgent quest bosses. They are still missing Wind, Light, and Dark elements' techniques as well.
Hope to see them in the future update; and yes with more types of enemies, weak to different elements instead of just fire and ice.
What skills should i not use so that i can have 4 in pp coversion and 4 in pp recovery boost
Should i not skill into one of the weapons?
@@SilverHawk0987 all I can tell you is, if you think PP convert and PP recovery boost is more important than other skills on Fo skill tree, you are free to do w/e with it. It is completely up to you where you want to take some points off for those two skills.
Tip #1 don’t fall asleep
I plan on getting everyone to lvl 20 :)
Too bad the game's loadout system sucks @ss; they would have been able to copy World of Warcrafts superior loadout system if they didn't lock skill reset behind a stupid IRL paywall.
Talis is stronger than Rod atm but overall force is dogshit right now