I was this guy on the picture right side, on left side was one of my best friends at that time. He build the amazing deckbox with acrylic glass. This idea was really funny but the coverage team wasn't really interested in this story. They wrote the shortest article ever but anyway that was not the target. The target was to get a smile to other people and we reached that target. :-) The decklist still exists on my laptop and also the fusion deck with 222 cards was included :-D I remember on one specific game, I draw a green gadget and the game was over. I couldn't shuffle my deck in time because it was to huge and Oliver Gehrmann was one of the head judges and after receiving the match loss in first game, I got the DQ in the second game. So quick ending story but very funny for us, my opponents and the players around there. After that konami gave out a deck limitation rule and also for the fusion deck (later this was called extra deck). And it's right at that time in YGO and on the event nobody knows our motiv because nobody was asking and this was the funnier. We also got a lot of hate comments like "you bitch stole a place for another player to play at the championschips", so you see not everybody got it and we explained later on German biggest forums at that time. As I know the deckbox still exsits, I had a call with my friend this summer and he explained me somebody bought it and placed it somewhere at home. Maybe this deckbox will come back to me some day. =) //edit: For all of you guys decklist and further information/pictures from the event: yomifrog.lima-city.de/2222_card_deck_ygo/index.php?lang=en
@@stonalisa3729 Yes. I mean, we discussed this to build a deck with 200 cards or so. whatever we checked the rules again and found nothing against this idea but we tried to make something special with a little bit of some more cards.
IIRC, the millennium puzzle literally lets him decide what card to draw. Its why "DURO MONSTA CAADO!" was able to happen. He felt like beating the heck out of weevile. So yea, that would be his opening hand if he felt like flexing.
This man is proof that some rules are made because someone did something. There used to be a time where speed limits did not exist but cars did. The issue was addressed quite swiftly.
I like finding out the wacky reasons behind a game's rules and restrictions. Why does Yugioh have a 60-card deck limit? because 2 mad lads brought a 2000-card deck. Why does MTG limit cards to 4 copies? Because some crazy bastard played 20 mountains and 40 lightning bolts.
Actually using a 60 card deck of Chancellor of the Dross in MTG would be way worse than 40 bolts. Auto win Turn 0 and your opponent can't even counter it...
AFAIK, M:tG still doesn't. There are reasons why you might run an extra large deck. There's a card that said, translated into Yu-Gi-Oh terms, "At the beginning of your standby phase, if you have 200 or more cards in your deck, you win the duel." The issue with playing a very large deck is that it's very hard to shuffle well, and if you don't shuffle properly, that gets you in trouble with the judges. I don't know what would happen if you tried playing with a deck this big in an M:tG event, but I'm guessing you'd get in trouble fairly quickly.
@@mdhutch2002 you need to be able to shuffle the deck yourself unassisted so if the deck is too big then you probably get dq'd for slow play or something
That’s the problem with judging. A judge is purely there to implement the written rules; and should not be there to implement his own understanding of it. If the deck is legal in word, then by all means it should be allowed. Just accept that the rules were one-upper by someone and accept it.
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Come to think of it, if he can survive long enough, couldn't he win by shere attrition? Imagine just filling the deck with nothing but cards that hinder attacks or heal you. That would be hilarious if someone could pull off a win.
Host: *"... almost time to end his turn --- soon we will see what kind of opener his opponent is going to do! Will we even be able to identify his deck type, too?"* __ Maik Schewe: *"[...] aaaaalright, besides that I **_|| ONLY ||_** play these 2 cards face-down before ending my turn!"*
I would assume that it was eventually fixed in the second edition, but in Star Trek: The Customizable Card Game, shortly after the expansion First Contact which introduced the Borg as a playable faction came out, a person at my game shop came up with a deck that was over 900 cards that took 2nd place at the world championship. In ST:CCG, not only was there no deck size limit, there was no limit on the number of duplicates of a single card in the deck. For an optimal strategy he had devised, it required him in his opening hand to draw exactly 1 Borg Queen (a rare) and 6 copies of a common I don't remember the name of. The commons would allow him to search his deck for other borg drones and put them into play for free, he had another seeded card (a card that starts in play rather than in the draw deck) which would allow him to put a borg cube into play, but the borg queen was the only thing there wasn't a way to search for and put into play. However, he still needed to have like 30-40 other cards in his deck so that he could search for them if necessary, but he didn't want to draw any of those in his opening hand. So, he simply diluted them in his deck with like 35 copies of the borg queen and 800 copies of the common, and then always mulligan down until he got a borg queen in his starting hand.
Konami: Doesn’t have a maximum deck size. These mad lads: “Fine. I’ll do it myself” Jokes aside the fact that one of them was a judge is such an amazing detail, really elevates the story from ‘masterful troll’ to ‘loophole exposing mad lads”
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 since yugioh came out the max deck size was 60. People broke the rules and made 200 card decks. I know. I played tournaments and decks more than 60 cards were banned.
God, I still remember when some friends back then told me about this after they competed at that same championship. I legit didn't believe it a second until they showed me actuall pictures and I just bursted out laughing.
Imagine you're in a YGO championship game and you see these two German chads walk up to you, dressed in suits and bowler hats, carrying this monstrosity on their shoulders. That is a story you would retell for the rest of your life.
His duel against these two: he wins by decking them out. Oh, and the duel takes a whole season. And someone loses their soul by the end of it, because why not.
@@Deathmare235 better yet; they get turned into a fucking card like Grandpa Muto in DM season... one, I believe? They're still in a coma, though. The card artwork is actually just them in hospital beds. It's sold as the highest rarity Delinquent Duo alternate artwork and the card is made unlimited and given new support so they can sell copies.
I remember seeing "The Cloaked Duelist" at 2007 US nationals, he had 3 of every fusion in his fusion deck. He was a very skilled player and deck builder.
I think the common misconception with this and MTG was that in early MTG, the meta was to mill your opponent out (removing their cards from their deck so they cannot draw, and therefore lose). Someone entered a tournament with 250 basic islands, so they didn't have to shuffle their deck, as it was all the same card. They ended up doing hilariously decently, and its kinda a meme now, just a lesserknown one. Great video btw, as someone who doesn't understand much of yu-gi-oh, this was super entertaining.
@@nightingaleseraph well half the resources just jump back to the field or hand after being sent to the gy and the other half have removal effects. In fact I think the archetype has two separate nukes lol
@@FelrinKirla It was mentioned in the video that it was 7 round swiss. Most likely followed by a knock out stage. Swiss is a tournament style where everyone plays the same number of rounds, and plays the first match against his closest neighbor according to the seed, if there is one. The seed is based on previous tournament performance. If there is none, it's just decided randomly. The rest of the matches, you play against someone that has performed as well as you did. If you win the first match, you will play against another winner in the second one. If you lose the first match, you play against another loser etc. The players that scored the most points will then continue to a regular knockout stage in most cases, with quarter, semi and grand final.
Mtg has a great rule to get around this. You can have as many cards as you want, but you have to be capable of shuffling your deck in your hands unassisted, so the practical maximum is a few hundred sleeved cards. Can't play battle of wits decks with small hands
I hope there is a time limit also applied to that rule, and how do you determine if the deck is shuffled or not anyway? I could think of a way if you're allowed a deck holder laid horizontally to quickly shuffle them in groups within a reasonable time. Just take groups of cards and push them back in at random locations and within a minute, if you were fast enough with your hands, you could make it reasonably shuffled. Maybe not 2222 cards but 500 easily.
@@D3cepti0ns The rule states you need to be able to shuffle your entire deck at the same time, in your hands, unassisted, which pretty much means you have to be able to hold your entire deck in one hand, which generally comes down to 150-250 cards depending on how thick your sleeves are and how large your hands. There's no official time limit but the rules do state that the judge can penalize you if you do not play at a reasonable pace. Either way some people do play 200 card decks and manage to shuffle them relatively quickly.
@@michieltomme4954 how can you all people shuffle 150+ cards in one sitting? I play 80 cards deck with single sleeve and it’s already a hand full of cards
@@phamdinhhoang1998 well, stretch your thumb and middle finger as far apart as possible and hold the deck in between them, then you just remove packets from one end and add them to the other. You really have a lot more room in your hand then people think. Also remember that if your sleeves are new, there's still a lot of air trapped between the cards which adds volume. With thoroughly used cards/sleeves your deck is a fair bit more compact.
............. HUH............. this makes me remember a old Star Trek episode, we’re Data played a game against a professional player of that game. Data never tried to “WIN” the game, instead kept stalling him indefinitely. In the end, the player got so angry, he just quit. INTERESTING.
I've seen that clip(I've forgotten the rest of the episode) technically I'd say data did win because he could play forever or at least longer than his opponents entire lifespan where his opponent would eventually lose because of sleep exhaustion or distractions from trying to eat and void ones bowels during the match With this method I believe data could win against any organic lifeform in the universe (I don't know if I'd consider godlike entities organic if they are then there the exception)
@@anthonygarcia5375 That's one of the reasons Data chose to play the game that way. He'd lost to the guy earlier in the episode and realised that he might not be able to win by playing the way you're supposed to, but he could drag the game out so long that it either resulted in a draw or the other guy rage quit. It'd still be a win either way because it meant the guy would no longer have a perfect win record.
People saying this was actually a Magic deck are probably talking about the time a Battle of Wits deck got to top 8 in an event once. Battle of Wits is an enchantment that, in simple terms, wins you the game if it comes back to your turn and your deck has 200 or more cards. So, Magic has a similar but less extreme story.
To add on to this, the way said deck worked was this: The card "shadowborn apostle" has, as an effect, that you can have as many copies of it in your deck as you want, thus ignoring the rule about no more than 4 copies of non /Basic/ cards. It also says that if you have /6/ shadowborn apostles on the field (mtg doesn't have a limit on how much stuff you can have on the battlefield) you can sacrifice them to search your deck for a demon type creature and put it directly on the battlefield. The card "runescarred demon" is a demon creature card that has the effect that, when it enters the battlefield, you can search your deck for any card and put it in your hand. As such, the deck's gimmick was that the vast majority of the deck was made out of swamps, islands, and shadowborn apostles. You would get out 6 apostles as fast as possible, sacrifice them for runescarred, to put battle of the wits in your hand. From a deck that /still/ had well over 200 cards in it
Euclidean Space that’s understandable because in the anime it banishes half your deck (although the anime also makes your opponent pay maintainamce cost) when they made it in the real card game they made it only top 10 cards of your deck and you have to pay the cost yourself
@@doctorfloppa2021 Yep, just checked, and Yugi's cheat of a win... well I guess he's technically right? I can't imagine them squeezing all that text onto the real card, but then it probably won't be used either.
@@euclideanspace2573 Well, to be fair. The anime version isn't the actual effect. Sigfried hacked the card, to give it additional effects. Most likely, your opponent paying the cost was part of that. Konami definitely had to change that. Some decks would be in heaven if you milled half their deck.
Maik being a judge finding cracks in the rules is like what I did. I got judge certification WAY back, which got me access to the special rulebook guidelines and forum that had a lot of obscure game mechanic resolutions no one knew about. I then used that power to get away with Drop Off OTK at a regional event since I was one of the only people there that knew what irreparable game state meant. Head judge was not happy with me ruining the integrity of his tournament, so he live errata'd the effect of Drop off for the event to stop my shenanigans. Good times
@@willlozinak5182 drop off is a trap that makes your opponent discard the card that they just drew. an irreparable game state is when a player performs an illegal action that can not be fixed by reversing the games actions, and it results in an instant loss. (for example, if you play a card that requires you to send a specific monster back to the deck, and you send a face down monster back to the deck without revealing it to your opponent, it's irreparable because there's no way of knowing that you returned the specific monster to the deck.) if your opponent draws a card and then shuffles their hand before you activate drop off, there's no way of knowing which card your opponent drew, thus causing an irreparable game state, and instantly winning the game. to errata a card simply means to change the rules of the card
Realize this is way late, but, with my limited knowledge of the competitive game (I really just goof off with friends), is that something a head judge can do? Errata a card mid event because he doesn't like how you used it? I get why, but at the same time, you didn't do anything illegal in any sense from what I understand
I’ve helped with some low level mtg tournaments, and there I learned that while the minimum deck size is 60, the official deck maximum is just “as long as you can shuffle the entire deck in your own hands without assistance ”, I’m guessing this is why.
There's a Magic Hall of Famer, William Jensen, who rode a 244-card deck to a top 8 finish in a Grand Prix almost 20 years ago. His win condition was Battle of Wits, which reads "At the beginning of your upkeep, if your library has over 200 cards, you win the game." Outside of that silly card though, there's usually no reason to run more than 61 cards.
Even if Yugioh kept the rule like MTG, where the deck needs to be feasibly shuffled in a reasonable amount of time or the judge DQs you, That Grass would’ve caused a card limit to happen anyway
IamGrimalkin Also not to mention that if you get it and resolve it you’ll be activating So many graveyard effects simultaneously that the time might actually run out
@@traplover6357 It's true you can use left arm, but even then that's still going to get diluted as you increase deck size. The problem about deck thinning is that deck thinners don't do anything when milled. Also, there's a limited number of them you can play. When you hit that limit, adding any more cards becomes suboptimal, and I don't think that limit is too much higher than 60 cards.
This would still be possible in MTG, as there's still no maximum deck size. In fact, there's a deck that randomly sees play with deck lists ranging from 240 to 280 cards. There's a card called Battle of Wits that is an enchantment (think continuous spell) that says that if you have 200 or more cards in your deck during your upkeep (standby), you win the game. It is just a control deck that tries to stop the opponent from winning with counter magic and wipes, while also filled with card draw and searches. It's normally only played in MTG Online, to avoid having to shuffle it.
@@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817 250 isn't all that bad. I play nearly exclusively Commander and each deck has to be 100 cards so about twice that wouldn't be too much more difficult
I had always assumed that the 60 deck limit in 5Ds and Millenium Duels was just there because having decks with basically an infinite amount of cards would be absurdly slow to load in, view, and save effectively. Granted, that still would've been true but this makes a lot of sense too.
I remember a local free play event my dad and I attended in the past, back in the early days of Yu-Gi-Oh, 2002-2003. We always remembered an older, special needs, individual who would attend the event and his entire deck was a card shoe, the same kind of shoe used in casinos around the world. Obviously, he never was a powerful duelist, but he was an infamous player around the event space. Thankfully, there never were any tournaments to speak of at these events, so judge rulings never were a factor in this gentleman's deck. But just imagine if we had no limit to our and extra deck, 40 minutes would never be long enough for a round.
@@Ramsey276one It's the plastic or wooden box that decks of playing cards sit in during games like Poker, Blackjack, and Baccarat at casinos. Take a look next time you go visit a casino.
For the Magic the Gathering one mentioned in the intro, there is an actual card that let you win the game if you had 200 or more cards in your deck when you play it. I think, someone did pull it out in a premier event too. At the very least, it's a bit of community lore that it happened
I once played a guy at a Duel Masters tournament who had a 200 card deck. We were calling it "Mount Everest" throughout the entire event. It was a pain in the ass to shuffle and cut for him, I can't imagine what it would be like for a 2,000+ card deck
> plays a 2222 card deck with a bunch of graveyard effects > activates that grass looks greener > activates all of the graveyard effects > activates chain strike > wins Alternatively... > plays a 2222 card deck with a bunch of _spell_ cards > activates that grass looks greener > mill at least 1000 spells > set magical explosion > pass to your opponent > in their draw phase, flip up magical explosion > ~200,000 damage > wins
I read somewhere on reddit about this situation from what I read the dude had about 2222 cards in his deck and it had a bunch of cards to shuffle it so he could troll everyone.
@@personofsecrets he finally stopped shuffling "activate convulsion of nature now flip your deck upside down" drops the deck "Imma go read a book see you when your done"
Fantastic coverage in this video. The presenter kept my interest despite the fact that I gave up Yu-Gi-Oh over a decade and a half ago. So great job! It’s hard to explain game subtleties to a general audience!
This makes me remember a Mtg legacy tournament. The first time I saw someone pull a Battle of Wits deck. To be fair, that deck was a toolbox style of deck with a billion combos in it, with the added spice of an instant win in the form of Battle of Wits.
A duelist I used to know runs his Red-Eyes deck as a 200-card one... and even there, I wouldn't be surprised if it was him in that video. EDIT: Wasn't him, but honestly... I'm not surprised.
This is similar to a passed around story in magic. Basically there was "wish" cards printed that let you get cards from outside the game and put them in your hand or into play. Allegedly when these cards were first printed people would bring their whole collection of cards to be able to find the perfect card for any problem they were facing. Even though I'm pretty sure the rule has always been "outside the game" refers only to your sideboard which is capped at 15 cards in mtg.
Makes sense for some to believe it's a Magic: the Gathering story. That game literally has a game-winning card that requires you to have over 200 cards in your main deck. Still can play it too, only rule is that you need to be able to shuffle your deck well and reasonably fast, no card limit.
I believe this same thing actually did happen in MtG at one point. There was an oppressive combo-mill deck that could mill you for several hundred cards, but couldn’t mill you more than that. The best counter? A deck composed of 2,000 copies of the same basic land. They couldn’t mill you out, and eventually they’d just deck out. You’d be right in thibking you can’t shuffle a deck that large reasonably fast, except for the definition of “shuffle.” According to official magic rules, “shuffle” means “to make random.” Since the deck is composed of 2,000 copies of the same card, it is ALWAYS perfectly random, so you never need to shuffle it. The story goes that someone brought this monstrosity of a deck, composed entirely of basic islands, to a tournament. The cards were sleeved in top-loaders and the deck box was a large duffel bag. When pressured to shuffle, the player just zipped the duffel bag shut and shook it. To draw a card, he would just reach into the bag and pull a card out. Since the deck was made entirely up of islands, it came to be known as “thousand-island dressing.”
Battle of wits is the name of the card. Originally printed in odyssey (2001). And those stories were floating around before that card was printed. If the crazy deck size did happen it wasen't well documented, but the shuffle rule was in place way before that card was printed.
@@patelliott8282 that is absolutely not a thing and you would be given a DQ for presenting and shuffling your deck like that. Also, the best counter to a Mill deck is something like a Blightsteel Colossus or Eldrazi titan that shuffle back into your library when milled. Magic has some funny true stories, but that one simply would not be allowed to happen.
I knew this wasn’t MTG, because MTG has had a rule since at least 2000, that says that there is no maximum deck size, but you MUST be able to sufficiently shuffle your deck unassisted. Couple that with the rules about what constitutes sufficiently shuffled, and it effectively shuts down this level degeneracy.
@@SL-gz9gq MtGA is only used for standard and MtGO is barely at all in a large capacity for tournaments. Nothing is really stopping you from showing up to a modern tournament and playing with 400 cards :^)
When I played YGO way back when, there was a rule that you can have as many cards as you want, as along as you can shuffle the deck. Not sure if that was made up by us players or if it was an official thing, but surely that meant you should be able to hold your entire deck whilst shuffling, not splitting it up and shuffle each split part. I for one was happy with that rule :P
I'm a magic player here from my recommendations to see a funny tcg tournament story (and this delivered). In Magic, theres actually a card, Battle of Wits, that allows you to win automatically if you resolve it with 200+ cards in your deck, and it has been played for lols in tournament settings, but I don't know any stories about it as ridiculous as this one.
I remember the old days of Yu-Gi-Oh having no deck limit. Used to have a plus 60 deck myself which upset a mil deck user at a convention tournament. He beat everyone except me with that deck. Said he never expected anyone would have a deck that big.
Nice video CapG I think the 2222 deck was a tier 0 deck at the event and was emergency banned and that's why mike was kicked out. Day 7 waiting for CapG to talk about the Dragon ruler format.
Ah, back in the day when the "extra deck" was the "Fusion Deck", and didn't have a limit. Wait, he had how many in the main deck? I could have sworn the max was set to 60 from the jump, this just a thing that never hit North America? I remember seeing the sixty card limit in the rule book from Starter Decks Kaiba and Yugi, or am I just Mandela effecting myself? Was it just suggested not to go over 60 back then and now its a hard cap?
From my memory that rule was never in the Yugi and Kaiba starter deck (the og one) but I swear one kaiba starter deck a few years later had that rule, the rule always existed but it was never reinforced. Like how the anime could screw the rules so the og rule book was a bit wonky
Just grabbed my Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game 1996 Official Rulebook for Europe English Edition, which states on page 3: "The Deck used for dueling should contain a minimum of 40 cards. Aside from this minimum limit, your Deck can contain as many cards as you like." Though they did suggest in the deck building section to keep as close to 40 to guarantee drawing the desired cards.
I do remember some of the video games had a 60 card limit for the decks. I remember this because I decided to play the tutorial in one of them and I though to myself “ha, that rule doesn’t exist, they made it for the game because memory constraints”.
Mandela, the hard 60 cap was added at the start of Synchro Era, in what the OCG called "Master Rules" or "Master Rule 1", same ruleset change that put a 15 cap on the Extra Deck and renamed it that from Fusion Deck Video Games such as Worldwide Edition and Nightmare Troubador had been using 80 Main and 30 Fusion Deck limits for a while though
This warms my heart. In Magic there is no official deck limit, just that you have to be able to shuffle your deck unassisted and present it for a cut in 2 minutes or less. There is also a card called Battle of Wits where if you have 200 or more cards in your library during your upkeep (standby phase for yugioh players) you win the game. So for my first competitive event, I built a battle of wits deck knowing that I was most likely going to lose anyway. It was 250 cards and often didn’t win with Battle of Wits. In a twist of fate, most of my opponents when they seen the deck would call judge, and when the judge watched me shuffle and determined I was breaking no rules, my opponent would concede not wanting to vs my deck and be trolled into a 1-0-1 match result. I ended up making top 8 for my first competitive event. I got booted out of top 8 round one because in top 8 there were no time limits and I couldn’t go for a 1-0-1 match and lost 1-2-0
Lol before that rule, I had 3000 one but then dropped to 500 because could still shuffle. My hands hurt but I proved it back then because of my decks build was no damage and then when they do they are trying to deal damage over a often 400+ life total. One deck I hated back then was jace the mind sculptor.
Mine wasn’t even to win anything, I just figured if I’m going to lose my first competitive event, I should with some humour. The fact I made top 8 for my first competitive event and my first top 8 ever with Battle of Wits was just icing on the cake
I was this guy on the picture right side, on left side was one of my best friends at that time. He build the amazing deckbox with acrylic glass. This idea was really funny but the coverage team wasn't really interested in this story. They wrote the shortest article ever but anyway that was not the target. The target was to get a smile to other people and we reached that target. :-) The decklist still exists on my laptop and also the fusion deck with 222 cards was included :-D I remember on one specific game, I draw a green gadget and the game was over. I couldn't shuffle my deck in time because it was to huge and Oliver Gehrmann was one of the head judges and after receiving the match loss in first game, I got the DQ in the second game. So quick ending story but very funny for us, my opponents and the players around there. After that konami gave out a deck limitation rule and also for the fusion deck (later this was called extra deck).
And it's right at that time in YGO and on the event nobody knows our motiv because nobody was asking and this was the funnier. We also got a lot of hate comments like "you bitch stole a place for another player to play at the championschips", so you see not everybody got it and we explained later on German biggest forums at that time. As I know the deckbox still exsits, I had a call with my friend this summer and he explained me somebody bought it and placed it somewhere at home. Maybe this deckbox will come back to me some day. =)
//edit: For all of you guys decklist and further information/pictures from the event: yomifrog.lima-city.de/2222_card_deck_ygo/index.php?lang=en
So was it meant to be an exploit for the no deck size limit?
@@stonalisa3729 Yes. I mean, we discussed this to build a deck with 200 cards or so. whatever we checked the rules again and found nothing against this idea but we tried to make something special with a little bit of some more cards.
@@maiks.3684 did u at least play 3 upstart for consistency?🤷🏾♂️🤣
@@jahmairtrott4635 of course but haven't draw it. :-D
is there any way for us to get the decklist?
"My ratios? I run 3 of."
"3 of what?"
"Everything."
With 2222 cards that wud be 740 3ofs and 1 2of. Altho back then that had to have been over half of the available cards in the game.
@@baileydombroskie3046 2 upstarts for consistency.
@@mythology2467 haha lol. Ya u dont wanna draw into too many upstarts cuz then ur gonna have dificulty killing ur opp. Lol
@@baileydombroskie3046 unless you run bad reaction or nurse
@@undeadinside3571 now thats some good spice.
My dude didn't just have the heart of the cards he had the whole body.
Fucking good
I don’t know yugio but I felt this comment in my bones
The whole neighborhood
This deserves 2222 likes
Now I just imagine a man made of Yu Gi Oh cards rising from the box, and draws cards from his body as he plays.
He called the deck "Mischen: Impossible." Mischen is German for shuffling or mixing.
Multi-language punning?!?!
Big brain
These guys were on another level
@Ethan Anderson this was sarcastic joke pointed at the fact there was not a deck limit back then.
@Ethan Anderson what do you mean 50? When was it 50?
I love how they carry the cards with utmost importance in the thumbnail, like it’s a casket at a funeral
Its “utmost” fyi
Yeah lol its their opponents
here lies the body of 2222 cards
That's because it has the heart of the cards.
@@Kneejair I HATE THE ANTICHRIST I HATE THE ANTICHRIST I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
Yugi sitting there with a literal tower of cards taller than him, "I reshuffle my deck" Kaiba, quietly, "oh god"
*draws 5 cards of Exodia*
Kaiba: AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH *jumps off the roof*
Yugioh players were doing the coffin dance before it was even a thing.
Adam Thanks for the correction
Foreshadowing
They’re sending someone to the shadow realm
LOL
_"Looks like you're going to the Shadowrealm, Jimbo!"_
Yugi would use a deck like that and still win with Exodia.
IIRC, the millennium puzzle literally lets him decide what card to draw. Its why "DURO MONSTA CAADO!" was able to happen. He felt like beating the heck out of weevile.
So yea, that would be his opening hand if he felt like flexing.
First Turn.
"There are no pathetic cards in my grandpa's deck"
xItsCuzILikeTurtles440815KillerPVPProLPHDXD lolGHG ...because ALL CARDS are in grandpa’s deck!
Playing a single copy of each piece to boot.
imagine resolving that grass looks greener in this deck
Pretty sure someone would find a potential Ftk with it.
Bro imagine just how long it would even take to resolve grass with a deck like this hahaha
Resolve grass; go +50
Just count from the bottom up
GLG + Macro Cosmos + Any Monster that gets stronger for each banished card.
"Never judge a duelist unless you see their deck"
*Sees their massive deck*
"My god"
Big deck energy
He must have a Big one
@@willnash7907 this reply killed me 😂😭 im making a 60 card deck just to say I have big deck energy LOL
This man is proof that some rules are made because someone did something.
There used to be a time where speed limits did not exist but cars did.
The issue was addressed quite swiftly.
Funny, considering that guy is German and they don't have speed limits on most highways.
I hope that they're playing triple upstart for consistency.
Damn lol
Hell I hope they are playing 10
And exodia for the chance he drew all 5 copies
@@Kaitokid730
Can somebody do the math on that for me? I'd love to know what those odds would be.
@@davidbronstein2040 simple : 1.8462*(10^(-15))%
Or once every 5.416*(10^(16)) times
*[BIG DECK ENERGY]*
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Your profile tho lol
Man, imagine that on a shirt with this image lol
Big deck swinging
we all got decks.
I got a deck
you got a deck
I like finding out the wacky reasons behind a game's rules and restrictions.
Why does Yugioh have a 60-card deck limit? because 2 mad lads brought a 2000-card deck.
Why does MTG limit cards to 4 copies? Because some crazy bastard played 20 mountains and 40 lightning bolts.
Often we don't know we NEED the rules until something happens that highlights how that gap can be exploited.
3000 card deck, before the have to hold it to shuffle rule, reduced to 500 so I could shuffle it.
or we could just have it like modern Magic where broken garbage is printed every set and fans are treated rudely
Of course the 4 of a kind rule for magic only took about 6 months to be introduced. The upper deck limit to yugioh would take ~11 years.
Actually using a 60 card deck of Chancellor of the Dross in MTG would be way worse than 40 bolts. Auto win Turn 0 and your opponent can't even counter it...
Not having a max deck size was an incredible oversight when designing the game
I remember when the YuGiOh TGC came out, I specifically expected this would happen once the rules came out.
wait... in the beginning there was no size limit? lolll wtf I guess they never expected. but it's people loll you have to expect everything
AFAIK, M:tG still doesn't. There are reasons why you might run an extra large deck. There's a card that said, translated into Yu-Gi-Oh terms, "At the beginning of your standby phase, if you have 200 or more cards in your deck, you win the duel." The issue with playing a very large deck is that it's very hard to shuffle well, and if you don't shuffle properly, that gets you in trouble with the judges. I don't know what would happen if you tried playing with a deck this big in an M:tG event, but I'm guessing you'd get in trouble fairly quickly.
Isn’t MTG 60 cards standard 100 commander
@@mdhutch2002 you need to be able to shuffle the deck yourself unassisted so if the deck is too big then you probably get dq'd for slow play or something
*has deck entirely within rules*
Judge: wait, that's illegal.
Not illegal per say, just too tedious for other competitors dealing with a 2000 plus card shuffle.
Well there Was a rule that you have a time Limit on how long you are allowed to shuffle
yeah, turns are timed the way i understand it, and shuffling took too long for that allotted time
The deck didn’t. The time it took to shuffle it was where it got tedious
That’s the problem with judging. A judge is purely there to implement the written rules; and should not be there to implement his own understanding of it.
If the deck is legal in word, then by all means it should be allowed. Just accept that the rules were one-upper by someone and accept it.
That moment when you need a squire to carry your deck,what a Chad.
A knight, a squire and his massive, impossibly long deck.
"It's time to D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-Dual!"
@@dandeliondew his long what now?
@@alexanderlea7882 his massive, impossibly long deck
(ง ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)ง Squire attend me(ง ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)ง - (ง •̀_•́)ง Ready sir! (ง •̀_•́)ง
Imagine one of his opponents running a deckout/empty jar type of deck. Sees this thing shuffling up.
"Bruh"
2004 Exchange of Spirit FTK can won that deck
Imagine watching them shuffle
Imagine playing Fiber Jar
Come to think of it, if he can survive long enough, couldn't he win by shere attrition? Imagine just filling the deck with nothing but cards that hinder attacks or heal you. That would be hilarious if someone could pull off a win.
Legend has it he's still shuffling to this day...
Legend has it that he's still shuffling the deck to this day.
He's only 1/5 the way done shuffling
He is, on a dark windy night u can listen carefully and hear *shuffle noise"
if he could lmao
Host: *"... almost time to end his turn --- soon we will see what kind of opener his opponent is going to do! Will we even be able to identify his deck type, too?"*
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Maik Schewe: *"[...] aaaaalright, besides that I **_|| ONLY ||_** play these 2 cards face-down before ending my turn!"*
Lol it would be so easy to cheat with a huge deck though. You can just memorize one chunk and fake shuffle it to the top. I used to cheat all the time
I would assume that it was eventually fixed in the second edition, but in Star Trek: The Customizable Card Game, shortly after the expansion First Contact which introduced the Borg as a playable faction came out, a person at my game shop came up with a deck that was over 900 cards that took 2nd place at the world championship. In ST:CCG, not only was there no deck size limit, there was no limit on the number of duplicates of a single card in the deck. For an optimal strategy he had devised, it required him in his opening hand to draw exactly 1 Borg Queen (a rare) and 6 copies of a common I don't remember the name of. The commons would allow him to search his deck for other borg drones and put them into play for free, he had another seeded card (a card that starts in play rather than in the draw deck) which would allow him to put a borg cube into play, but the borg queen was the only thing there wasn't a way to search for and put into play. However, he still needed to have like 30-40 other cards in his deck so that he could search for them if necessary, but he didn't want to draw any of those in his opening hand. So, he simply diluted them in his deck with like 35 copies of the borg queen and 800 copies of the common, and then always mulligan down until he got a borg queen in his starting hand.
Curious who that was, as a longtime (and current!) STCCG player.
@@OKCoyote T'was a long time ago. I think his first name might have been Matt or Mark? Lived in Manhattan, KS at the time.
It's not about winning the game. It's about sending a message.
is this message, "We are MASSIVE losers in fedoras"? Because they succeeded in delivering it, if so
Me vs the guy she tells me not to worry about
guys
Was that a deck joke? I thought size didn't matter....
@The Truth well according to your account name it just might be...
Oof this hurt
I was like 666
Konami: Doesn’t have a maximum deck size.
These mad lads: “Fine. I’ll do it myself”
Jokes aside the fact that one of them was a judge is such an amazing detail, really elevates the story from ‘masterful troll’ to ‘loophole exposing mad lads”
The max deck size was 60 cards.
Ken Gibson it wasn’t until them
absolute mad lads
@@yagamijubei28 not when they made the deck
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 since yugioh came out the max deck size was 60. People broke the rules and made 200 card decks. I know. I played tournaments and decks more than 60 cards were banned.
Looks like half of the HERO archetype on a single deck
Or half of the Blackwings. Either way
All the Performarpals and Dimension dragons.
All of you go fuck yourselves for making stupid shit lying jokes.
Or all the Genex
Srlsy theres way too many of them
Have yall ever seen Super Heavy Samurais
me at the beginning: ridiculous trolling
me at the end: what a noble, knowledgeable soul, working to improve the world
Now imagine a dual disc being modified to hold that many cards. You'd break your arm trying to hold that up.
Or have arms like the Hulk.
they named that pack "The Legendary Duelist" after him
Amazing that no one replied to this, lol
T R U E
God, I still remember when some friends back then told me about this after they competed at that same championship.
I legit didn't believe it a second until they showed me actuall pictures and I just bursted out laughing.
Finally I had finished a complete HERO deck.
The HERO Deck:
Plot twist 3/4 are the various fusions
Imagine you're in a YGO championship game and you see these two German chads walk up to you, dressed in suits and bowler hats, carrying this monstrosity on their shoulders. That is a story you would retell for the rest of your life.
opponent: i end my turn
these two dudes: we're gonna shuffle this mans whole career
I want an anime where Yugi faces the colorful characters in Yugiohs history.
His duel against these two: he wins by decking them out. Oh, and the duel takes a whole season. And someone loses their soul by the end of it, because why not.
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 it ain't a children's card game if no souls are lost
Yugi has 1 hp left then pulls out one card that destroys every monster on his field and makes his opponent discard 2221 cards to the graveyard
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 they get sent into a coma
@@Deathmare235 better yet; they get turned into a fucking card like Grandpa Muto in DM season... one, I believe? They're still in a coma, though. The card artwork is actually just them in hospital beds. It's sold as the highest rarity Delinquent Duo alternate artwork and the card is made unlimited and given new support so they can sell copies.
I don't like Yo-gi-oh or card games or anything like that. But I do love shenanigans.
Yu
@@simplesigh3196 him spelling it wrong reinforces his point lol
@@nkoonkukoo though he went as far to include the hyphens!
He's a smooth brain LMAO
what are you, some kind of shenaniganer?
Now this is the content I've been waiting for, amazing job!
BUYLON CUBE Sadge
Imagine a 2,222 PENDULUM deck?
Love you farfa
I remember seeing "The Cloaked Duelist" at 2007 US nationals, he had 3 of every fusion in his fusion deck.
He was a very skilled player and deck builder.
I think the common misconception with this and MTG was that in early MTG, the meta was to mill your opponent out (removing their cards from their deck so they cannot draw, and therefore lose). Someone entered a tournament with 250 basic islands, so they didn't have to shuffle their deck, as it was all the same card. They ended up doing hilariously decently, and its kinda a meme now, just a lesserknown one. Great video btw, as someone who doesn't understand much of yu-gi-oh, this was super entertaining.
It’s actually a lightsworn turbo and they still manage to deckout
I used a forfun Ls deck with 60 cards in ygopro. It was actually OK even without chaos shenanigans
@@er1v4n-hu3 how many light rays did you run?
If you deck out 6 times in a row that's called a lightsworn turbo and they have to let u see the shed where they keep Pot of Greed
It’s astonishes me how an archetype that milled itself could become such a favorite.
@@nightingaleseraph well half the resources just jump back to the field or hand after being sent to the gy and the other half have removal effects. In fact I think the archetype has two separate nukes lol
I just can't believe he actually won the first round
I am 95% sure his opponent just saw him search twice and it took him over 30 minutes to shuffle and then said “ screw it I’m done”
He didn't, the second round was probably a Loser's match or something
*Heart of the cards baby*
@@FelrinKirla It was mentioned in the video that it was 7 round swiss. Most likely followed by a knock out stage.
Swiss is a tournament style where everyone plays the same number of rounds, and plays the first match against his closest neighbor according to the seed, if there is one. The seed is based on previous tournament performance. If there is none, it's just decided randomly. The rest of the matches, you play against someone that has performed as well as you did. If you win the first match, you will play against another winner in the second one. If you lose the first match, you play against another loser etc.
The players that scored the most points will then continue to a regular knockout stage in most cases, with quarter, semi and grand final.
Pfft, activate sparks then spend 30 mins shuffling, if you go into time whoever has the most LP wins!
Ok, it took five hours but my deck is shuffled.
Finally we can play.
Achoo!
(Deck falls over)
Dang it!
Though honestly, I'd love an actual video of him shuffling his huge deck.
@@joshuawenninger6439 *D_ck
Dark Light Motion, we all have decks! You have a deck, I have a deck, hell I will whip out my deck right now and show you.
Some people would try to steal them cards
This needs more likes
“So what archetype are you playing?”
“All of them”
Receptionist: *So... How many cards do you have?*
Those two madlads: *ΥES*
"We're on a mission from God."
@@kip258
Would that be the Egyptians or the Sacred Beasts?
@@davidhong1934 yes
Mtg has a great rule to get around this. You can have as many cards as you want, but you have to be capable of shuffling your deck in your hands unassisted, so the practical maximum is a few hundred sleeved cards. Can't play battle of wits decks with small hands
I hope there is a time limit also applied to that rule, and how do you determine if the deck is shuffled or not anyway? I could think of a way if you're allowed a deck holder laid horizontally to quickly shuffle them in groups within a reasonable time. Just take groups of cards and push them back in at random locations and within a minute, if you were fast enough with your hands, you could make it reasonably shuffled. Maybe not 2222 cards but 500 easily.
@@D3cepti0ns The rule states you need to be able to shuffle your entire deck at the same time, in your hands, unassisted, which pretty much means you have to be able to hold your entire deck in one hand, which generally comes down to 150-250 cards depending on how thick your sleeves are and how large your hands. There's no official time limit but the rules do state that the judge can penalize you if you do not play at a reasonable pace. Either way some people do play 200 card decks and manage to shuffle them relatively quickly.
The Boys enter the tournament with comically large yaoi hands.
@@michieltomme4954 how can you all people shuffle 150+ cards in one sitting? I play 80 cards deck with single sleeve and it’s already a hand full of cards
@@phamdinhhoang1998 well, stretch your thumb and middle finger as far apart as possible and hold the deck in between them, then you just remove packets from one end and add them to the other. You really have a lot more room in your hand then people think.
Also remember that if your sleeves are new, there's still a lot of air trapped between the cards which adds volume. With thoroughly used cards/sleeves your deck is a fair bit more compact.
............. HUH............. this makes me remember a old Star Trek episode, we’re Data played a game against a professional player of that game.
Data never tried to “WIN” the game, instead kept stalling him indefinitely. In the end, the player got so angry, he just quit.
INTERESTING.
Oh hey it's Mike Stoklasa
I've seen that clip(I've forgotten the rest of the episode) technically I'd say data did win because he could play forever or at least longer than his opponents entire lifespan where his opponent would eventually lose because of sleep exhaustion or distractions from trying to eat and void ones bowels during the match
With this method I believe data could win against any organic lifeform in the universe (I don't know if I'd consider godlike entities organic if they are then there the exception)
@@anthonygarcia5375 That's one of the reasons Data chose to play the game that way. He'd lost to the guy earlier in the episode and realised that he might not be able to win by playing the way you're supposed to, but he could drag the game out so long that it either resulted in a draw or the other guy rage quit. It'd still be a win either way because it meant the guy would no longer have a perfect win record.
Is this some sort of Zombie-Dinosaur-Predaplant-Burning Abyss-Phantom Knight-Lightsworn abomination?
Don't you mean godliness?
@@alonsoarana5307 I prefer "holy abomination of the gods"
Imagine activating grass
*Activates "That Grass Looks Greener"
*Wins
lord_ne all I can imagine is just the dude picking up 90% of his deck, flipping it around and slamming it on top of his empty GY.
The actual name of the deck is called
"The Game Changer"
Since it literally changed the game.
People saying this was actually a Magic deck are probably talking about the time a Battle of Wits deck got to top 8 in an event once. Battle of Wits is an enchantment that, in simple terms, wins you the game if it comes back to your turn and your deck has 200 or more cards. So, Magic has a similar but less extreme story.
To add on to this, the way said deck worked was this:
The card "shadowborn apostle" has, as an effect, that you can have as many copies of it in your deck as you want, thus ignoring the rule about no more than 4 copies of non /Basic/ cards.
It also says that if you have /6/ shadowborn apostles on the field (mtg doesn't have a limit on how much stuff you can have on the battlefield) you can sacrifice them to search your deck for a demon type creature and put it directly on the battlefield.
The card "runescarred demon" is a demon creature card that has the effect that, when it enters the battlefield, you can search your deck for any card and put it in your hand.
As such, the deck's gimmick was that the vast majority of the deck was made out of swamps, islands, and shadowborn apostles. You would get out 6 apostles as fast as possible, sacrifice them for runescarred, to put battle of the wits in your hand.
From a deck that /still/ had well over 200 cards in it
Golden castle of strombergs cost is nothing to this deck Lmao
THE COURT OF STROMBERG HAS ARRIVED!
Somehow I thought it banished half of the deck... only 10 from the top?
Lol yeah.
Euclidean Space that’s understandable because in the anime it banishes half your deck (although the anime also makes your opponent pay maintainamce cost) when they made it in the real card game they made it only top 10 cards of your deck and you have to pay the cost yourself
@@doctorfloppa2021 Yep, just checked, and Yugi's cheat of a win... well I guess he's technically right? I can't imagine them squeezing all that text onto the real card, but then it probably won't be used either.
@@euclideanspace2573 Well, to be fair. The anime version isn't the actual effect. Sigfried hacked the card, to give it additional effects. Most likely, your opponent paying the cost was part of that.
Konami definitely had to change that. Some decks would be in heaven if you milled half their deck.
Ok, but my question want answered. Do they do this because they were on a mission from god?
JoelRiter nice Blues Brothers reference!
Who remembers 100 card decks with friends where you just played with your collection? 😎
Yes so much fun. Still aint no reason to follow the rules amongst friends. Makes it more fun
Pepperidge farm's remembers
Magic The Gathering: Commander format remembers. All Commander decks have a minimum of 100 cards.
@@rwxstudio7173 commander decks must use 100 cards no more no less. Companions aside.
@@markvanzantjr6731 I've heard of 150 card commander decks, then again it probably was just a myth.
He should’ve run all normal monsters and 1 Heart of the Underdog.
But you'll never draw the Heart if The underdog
@@legendsofmichael4315 A duelist always believe in destiny draw.
@@passbyicecube heart of the card.
Woulda said Berserker Soul if it actually worked like the anime version.
@@passbyicecube And with said trust, a deck has no pathetic cards.
Maik being a judge finding cracks in the rules is like what I did. I got judge certification WAY back, which got me access to the special rulebook guidelines and forum that had a lot of obscure game mechanic resolutions no one knew about. I then used that power to get away with Drop Off OTK at a regional event since I was one of the only people there that knew what irreparable game state meant. Head judge was not happy with me ruining the integrity of his tournament, so he live errata'd the effect of Drop off for the event to stop my shenanigans. Good times
can you explain what this means
@@willlozinak5182 drop off is a trap that makes your opponent discard the card that they just drew. an irreparable game state is when a player performs an illegal action that can not be fixed by reversing the games actions, and it results in an instant loss. (for example, if you play a card that requires you to send a specific monster back to the deck, and you send a face down monster back to the deck without revealing it to your opponent, it's irreparable because there's no way of knowing that you returned the specific monster to the deck.)
if your opponent draws a card and then shuffles their hand before you activate drop off, there's no way of knowing which card your opponent drew, thus causing an irreparable game state, and instantly winning the game.
to errata a card simply means to change the rules of the card
@@uh-ohitsevie7732 exactly what I was looking for thank you
This was pretty big brain, I love when people come up with this stuff.
Realize this is way late, but, with my limited knowledge of the competitive game (I really just goof off with friends), is that something a head judge can do? Errata a card mid event because he doesn't like how you used it? I get why, but at the same time, you didn't do anything illegal in any sense from what I understand
I’ve helped with some low level mtg tournaments, and there I learned that while the minimum deck size is 60, the official deck maximum is just “as long as you can shuffle the entire deck in your own hands without assistance ”, I’m guessing this is why.
Not a bad rule actually.
Shame MtG is going to shit nowadays. The Walking Dead cards ffs.
@@BigBoyXP4014 Not Standard Legal
There's a Magic Hall of Famer, William Jensen, who rode a 244-card deck to a top 8 finish in a Grand Prix almost 20 years ago. His win condition was Battle of Wits, which reads "At the beginning of your upkeep, if your library has over 200 cards, you win the game." Outside of that silly card though, there's usually no reason to run more than 61 cards.
@@Professor_Utonium_ It still sets a dangerous precedent.
Even if Yugioh kept the rule like MTG, where the deck needs to be feasibly shuffled in a reasonable amount of time or the judge DQs you, That Grass would’ve caused a card limit to happen anyway
I doubt it.
At some point you actually have to draw grass, it's not optimal to keep increasing the deck size indefinitely.
@@IamGrimalkin left arm offering can search grass and you can just shove draw cards
IamGrimalkin Also not to mention that if you get it and resolve it you’ll be activating So many graveyard effects simultaneously that the time might actually run out
@@traplover6357
It's true you can use left arm, but even then that's still going to get diluted as you increase deck size.
The problem about deck thinning is that deck thinners don't do anything when milled.
Also, there's a limited number of them you can play. When you hit that limit, adding any more cards becomes suboptimal, and I don't think that limit is too much higher than 60 cards.
One year late, but you could literally just count the bottom of your deck and discard the rest.
This would still be possible in MTG, as there's still no maximum deck size. In fact, there's a deck that randomly sees play with deck lists ranging from 240 to 280 cards. There's a card called Battle of Wits that is an enchantment (think continuous spell) that says that if you have 200 or more cards in your deck during your upkeep (standby), you win the game. It is just a control deck that tries to stop the opponent from winning with counter magic and wipes, while also filled with card draw and searches.
It's normally only played in MTG Online, to avoid having to shuffle it.
In mtg . You have to be able to shuffle the deck otherwise you will be disqualified .
@@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817 Which is why I mentioned it was normally played online to avoid needing to shuffle the deck by hand...
@@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817 250 isn't all that bad. I play nearly exclusively Commander and each deck has to be 100 cards so about twice that wouldn't be too much more difficult
Pristmstic banned that
@@lorekeeper685 still played in Modern, though
I had always assumed that the 60 deck limit in 5Ds and Millenium Duels was just there because having decks with basically an infinite amount of cards would be absurdly slow to load in, view, and save effectively. Granted, that still would've been true but this makes a lot of sense too.
I like the MtG rule that doesn't specify a maximum size but says you must be able to reasonably shuffle your deck unaided.
I remember a local free play event my dad and I attended in the past, back in the early days of Yu-Gi-Oh, 2002-2003. We always remembered an older, special needs, individual who would attend the event and his entire deck was a card shoe, the same kind of shoe used in casinos around the world. Obviously, he never was a powerful duelist, but he was an infamous player around the event space. Thankfully, there never were any tournaments to speak of at these events, so judge rulings never were a factor in this gentleman's deck. But just imagine if we had no limit to our and extra deck, 40 minutes would never be long enough for a round.
Um...
Card SHOE???
@@Ramsey276one It's the plastic or wooden box that decks of playing cards sit in during games like Poker, Blackjack, and Baccarat at casinos. Take a look next time you go visit a casino.
@@ThePoetryNinja OH
I bought a card shuffler, and somehow I thought that's what it was on TV
XD
For the Magic the Gathering one mentioned in the intro, there is an actual card that let you win the game if you had 200 or more cards in your deck when you play it. I think, someone did pull it out in a premier event too. At the very least, it's a bit of community lore that it happened
I have an eldrazi card that lets me get any eldrazi I own from anywhere among all cards I own
@@Zajura I have a Planeswalker that allows me to add any artifact that I own from outside my deck to my hand
@@Zajura aw yes. I live spawnsire of ulamog.
Lilliana’s contract coupled with lots of dread returns and kaya’s ghost form is a winning combo.
@@mementomori1320 kaya's ghost form is pretty handy in general
I didn’t think a Main Deck like that was ever possible in the rulebook, so before clicking I thought they showed up with thousands of Fusion Monsters.
This deck is actually the reason the maximum size was set to 60
I once played a guy at a Duel Masters tournament who had a 200 card deck. We were calling it "Mount Everest" throughout the entire event. It was a pain in the ass to shuffle and cut for him, I can't imagine what it would be like for a 2,000+ card deck
Hey found ya!
> plays a 2222 card deck with a bunch of graveyard effects
> activates that grass looks greener
> activates all of the graveyard effects
> activates chain strike
> wins
Alternatively...
> plays a 2222 card deck with a bunch of _spell_ cards
> activates that grass looks greener
> mill at least 1000 spells
> set magical explosion
> pass to your opponent
> in their draw phase, flip up magical explosion
> ~200,000 damage
> wins
Imagine if that grass looks greener was a thing back then.
LMAO
Then the dude summons Chaos Necromancer with like 300,000-600,000 attack points cause you just dumped over 1000 monsters into the graveyard
@@caldw615
Attack->
magic cylinder!
Barrel behind the door!
Barrel behind the door!
@@GodActio This is why we run Anti Magic Arrows
I read somewhere on reddit about this situation from what I read the dude had about 2222 cards in his deck and it had a bunch of cards to shuffle it so he could troll everyone.
Convulsion of Nature is making me laugh
@@personofsecrets he finally stopped shuffling "activate convulsion of nature now flip your deck upside down" drops the deck
"Imma go read a book see you when your done"
he got DQ'd in his 2nd game when they couldnt shuffle within time
Still Waiting for the Decklist
Haha bet
Me too kid
Everything
He posted it in one of first comments yesterday
@@julianmerbach1455 yomifrog.lima-city.de/2222_card_deck_ygo/index.php?lang=en
From the one of the person in pinned comment
Fantastic coverage in this video. The presenter kept my interest despite the fact that I gave up Yu-Gi-Oh over a decade and a half ago.
So great job! It’s hard to explain game subtleties to a general audience!
This deck symbolizes the feeling of watching an Exodia player take a turn.
When the guy with 1000 cards gets the heart of the cards against u and then Pull their one of card
This makes me remember a Mtg legacy tournament. The first time I saw someone pull a Battle of Wits deck. To be fair, that deck was a toolbox style of deck with a billion combos in it, with the added spice of an instant win in the form of Battle of Wits.
Mike still judges locals in Hanover (before Covid). And i'm pretty sure he is the one on the left in the picture.
Imagine how old he is now
34
@@jofx4051 didn't have to imagine
Wait that Mike, the store owner of tradingcardmint.com?
@@luiscuellar685 nah
"My woman left me after I showed her my Big Deck."
- probably the owner
Bruh, they're gonna have 4 dudes holding a coffin filled with Yu Gi Oh cards, dancing to Astronomia by 2040.
I'm now trying to imagine those two doing the coffin dance with that deck while the Blues Brothers song "Rawhide" is playing.
This is one of the greatest mental images I have ever processed
Imagine playing a card that searches the deck for a specific card.
He did
Imagine his entire deck was pot of greed
@@danielvulpis432 but what does pot of greed do
@@wysiwyg9878 I dont remember fully but I think it allows you to pull out 3 cards?
A duelist I used to know runs his Red-Eyes deck as a 200-card one... and even there, I wouldn't be surprised if it was him in that video.
EDIT: Wasn't him, but honestly... I'm not surprised.
"yeah, your deck might have red eyes black dragons, but my deck has its own pallbearers to help carry it around!"
This is similar to a passed around story in magic. Basically there was "wish" cards printed that let you get cards from outside the game and put them in your hand or into play. Allegedly when these cards were first printed people would bring their whole collection of cards to be able to find the perfect card for any problem they were facing. Even though I'm pretty sure the rule has always been "outside the game" refers only to your sideboard which is capped at 15 cards in mtg.
LOL!!! MTG has dumb card interactions.
"what deck do you play"
"Yes"
"what deck do you play"
"all of them and some more"
This is what we need a Yugioh historian. GREAT JOB BRO!!!! Loved the video!!!
Makes sense for some to believe it's a Magic: the Gathering story. That game literally has a game-winning card that requires you to have over 200 cards in your main deck. Still can play it too, only rule is that you need to be able to shuffle your deck well and reasonably fast, no card limit.
I believe this same thing actually did happen in MtG at one point. There was an oppressive combo-mill deck that could mill you for several hundred cards, but couldn’t mill you more than that. The best counter? A deck composed of 2,000 copies of the same basic land. They couldn’t mill you out, and eventually they’d just deck out.
You’d be right in thibking you can’t shuffle a deck that large reasonably fast, except for the definition of “shuffle.” According to official magic rules, “shuffle” means “to make random.” Since the deck is composed of 2,000 copies of the same card, it is ALWAYS perfectly random, so you never need to shuffle it.
The story goes that someone brought this monstrosity of a deck, composed entirely of basic islands, to a tournament. The cards were sleeved in top-loaders and the deck box was a large duffel bag. When pressured to shuffle, the player just zipped the duffel bag shut and shook it. To draw a card, he would just reach into the bag and pull a card out.
Since the deck was made entirely up of islands, it came to be known as “thousand-island dressing.”
@@patelliott8282 Now *thats* a true chad move
Battle of wits is the name of the card. Originally printed in odyssey (2001). And those stories were floating around before that card was printed. If the crazy deck size did happen it wasen't well documented, but the shuffle rule was in place way before that card was printed.
@@patelliott8282 that is absolutely not a thing and you would be given a DQ for presenting and shuffling your deck like that. Also, the best counter to a Mill deck is something like a Blightsteel Colossus or Eldrazi titan that shuffle back into your library when milled. Magic has some funny true stories, but that one simply would not be allowed to happen.
@@patelliott8282 Now I want to do this for drawing cards. Just hand bags of toploader cards out. True random chaos!
Imagine playing Exchange of Spirit, then that graveyard will have a never ending array of effects activated
I have found my new insult: "That card was so bad even a deck with 2222 cards didn't have it"
I knew this wasn’t MTG, because MTG has had a rule since at least 2000, that says that there is no maximum deck size, but you MUST be able to sufficiently shuffle your deck unassisted. Couple that with the rules about what constitutes sufficiently shuffled, and it effectively shuts down this level degeneracy.
I knew it wasn't MTG because I read the title
But tournaments now use mtga or mtgo, so...
@@SL-gz9gq MtGA is only used for standard and MtGO is barely at all in a large capacity for tournaments. Nothing is really stopping you from showing up to a modern tournament and playing with 400 cards :^)
Lol so this story was basically the same plot from “live free or die hard” he saw a flaw in the system and had a “fire sale”
When I played YGO way back when, there was a rule that you can have as many cards as you want, as along as you can shuffle the deck. Not sure if that was made up by us players or if it was an official thing, but surely that meant you should be able to hold your entire deck whilst shuffling, not splitting it up and shuffle each split part. I for one was happy with that rule :P
Judging from a good chunk of the comment section, the people you dueled with were probably taking from Magic, cuz that has that exact same rules.
Legit trolled the flawed rules out of existence. This is the most peak example of chaotic good I've ever seen.
Guy:"This game a flaw that could be exploited by trolls"
Buddy:"no one would do that"
Guy:"i will"
Ah yes, the infamous Yu-Gi-Oh mafia.
I'm a magic player here from my recommendations to see a funny tcg tournament story (and this delivered). In Magic, theres actually a card, Battle of Wits, that allows you to win automatically if you resolve it with 200+ cards in your deck, and it has been played for lols in tournament settings, but I don't know any stories about it as ridiculous as this one.
Props to Maik, the legend. If there is a Yugioh Hall of Fame, he surely deserves a place.
Imagine entering a tournament with a deck depletion deck, and watching that monstrosity come in.
Boy literally had every good card in 1 deck just for the lolz.
"The father of the damage step" I love it
I remember the old days of Yu-Gi-Oh having no deck limit. Used to have a plus 60 deck myself which upset a mil deck user at a convention tournament. He beat everyone except me with that deck. Said he never expected anyone would have a deck that big.
Nice video CapG I think the 2222 deck was a tier 0 deck at the event and was emergency banned and that's why mike was kicked out.
Day 7 waiting for CapG to talk about the Dragon ruler format.
the best way to change the law is not to fight it, but to abuse it so ridiculously than nobody can stand to allow it to stay the same
These guys broke the Golden rule: one fedora per crew.
They’re like that deadly duo in Kung Fu Hustle with the big string instrument.
Ah, back in the day when the "extra deck" was the "Fusion Deck", and didn't have a limit.
Wait, he had how many in the main deck? I could have sworn the max was set to 60 from the jump, this just a thing that never hit North America? I remember seeing the sixty card limit in the rule book from Starter Decks Kaiba and Yugi, or am I just Mandela effecting myself? Was it just suggested not to go over 60 back then and now its a hard cap?
From my memory that rule was never in the Yugi and Kaiba starter deck (the og one) but I swear one kaiba starter deck a few years later had that rule, the rule always existed but it was never reinforced. Like how the anime could screw the rules so the og rule book was a bit wonky
Just grabbed my Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game 1996 Official Rulebook for Europe English Edition, which states on page 3: "The Deck used for dueling should contain a minimum of 40 cards. Aside from this minimum limit, your Deck can contain as many cards as you like." Though they did suggest in the deck building section to keep as close to 40 to guarantee drawing the desired cards.
I do remember some of the video games had a 60 card limit for the decks. I remember this because I decided to play the tutorial in one of them and I though to myself “ha, that rule doesn’t exist, they made it for the game because memory constraints”.
Mandela, the hard 60 cap was added at the start of Synchro Era, in what the OCG called "Master Rules" or "Master Rule 1", same ruleset change that put a 15 cap on the Extra Deck and renamed it that from Fusion Deck
Video Games such as Worldwide Edition and Nightmare Troubador had been using 80 Main and 30 Fusion Deck limits for a while though
This warms my heart.
In Magic there is no official deck limit, just that you have to be able to shuffle your deck unassisted and present it for a cut in 2 minutes or less. There is also a card called Battle of Wits where if you have 200 or more cards in your library during your upkeep (standby phase for yugioh players) you win the game. So for my first competitive event, I built a battle of wits deck knowing that I was most likely going to lose anyway. It was 250 cards and often didn’t win with Battle of Wits.
In a twist of fate, most of my opponents when they seen the deck would call judge, and when the judge watched me shuffle and determined I was breaking no rules, my opponent would concede not wanting to vs my deck and be trolled into a 1-0-1 match result. I ended up making top 8 for my first competitive event. I got booted out of top 8 round one because in top 8 there were no time limits and I couldn’t go for a 1-0-1 match and lost 1-2-0
Lol before that rule, I had 3000 one but then dropped to 500 because could still shuffle. My hands hurt but I proved it back then because of my decks build was no damage and then when they do they are trying to deal damage over a often 400+ life total. One deck I hated back then was jace the mind sculptor.
Mine wasn’t even to win anything, I just figured if I’m going to lose my first competitive event, I should with some humour. The fact I made top 8 for my first competitive event and my first top 8 ever with Battle of Wits was just icing on the cake
My dude just brought a tree to the tournament. Didn't even wait for the cards to be made into paper.