Thanks for your in-depth comparison of these tools. There aren’t many channels doing proper comparisons for these more niche type of tools. Probably due to how expensive they are. I’m with you in regards to the Bosch. Functionality wise it’s definitely my preferred option. But it would have been perfect if it had the same stroke like the others. By the way, damn bro you have a lot of Makita batteries. Makita should be sending you free tools to review as I’m pretty sure your channel has helped sell heaps of tools for them.
Won’t be long before someone comes around to tell us that we’re wasting money and that they can totally do 10,000 rivets with a manual squeeze job in under five minutes.
I'm a Makita guy but we have the lower end Milwaukee pop gun $250 ish Canadian and works flawlessly on 3/16 rivets. I wish Makita would have a cheaper version.
It's the only one that has a price that fits casual user , Makita , M18 Milwaukee , Metabo (only does 6mm aluminum) and Bosch are too pricy . Makita could do 12V tool for max 4,8 mm rivets .
I'm happy with the speed & effort required to set 3.2mm & 4.0mm rivets with a 1 handed manual tool, even using stainless rivets. I've set a few 100 3.2mm stainless rivets in a session which gets a bit hard on the hands. I use countersunk 4.8, 6.4 & 6.8 stainless rivets for attaching gate hinges & landscaping occasionally. They are hard to pull by hand & the mandrels jamb in most 1 handed riveters. Often the 2 handed POP tool is too big to get in tight spaces & is awkward to use. So I'd be happy with a tool that only pulls 4.8+ - if I could afford it. Maybe sell some stock of 6.8mm stainless rivets - they are dear.
Great video as usual! Oddly enough, the US Makita model (which I own several of) shows no 1/4" stainless limitations, and even specifies it is good up to 1/4" in aluminum, steel and stainless steel. Also, the US Milwaukee version claims a max capacity of 1/4", not the 9/32" that I guess you guys get, which is unfortunate. Being that both the Makita and Milwaukee claim 20 kN of pulling force I couldn't imagine there would be any reason you couldn't use the European model Makita to do 1/4" stainless.
That was very riveting 😂😂😂😂, you can buy a 6" nose extension for the M12 and M18, you can also buy the retention sizing nose pieces for both the M12 and M18 not sure if the M12 would be usable on the M18 or not but worth a try. You can also buy a conversion kit to turn the lockbolt tool into a blind rivet on.
The Makita is based on the Huck guns, Huck are one of if not the industry standard for rivet assembly. Aircrafts to bridges, Huck/ Makita is where it's at. Watch for a Makita gun that will pull 12.7mm rivets.....
I will say that the Milwaukee M12 is almost great for what it is designed to do. I have had no issues after a couple 1000 long body 3/16" rivets. The only thing that should be improved on the M12 is the catcher for the waste mandrels. It would be nice if the waste mandrel catcher was transparent like the 18 volt Makita so you could see how full it is. When the Milwaukee M12 catcher gets packed full of waste mandrels it pops the lid off and they all fall out. It is annoying enough in the shop but out in the yard it is downright maddening to have to pick mandrels out of the dirt especially if they are aluminum since you cannot use a magnet. I can live with the tool size but that waste mandrel catcher seems like a poor design afterthought.
The reasons for the differences with the Makita rivet gun vs regular Makita tools is that it is a rebadged Huck rivet gun from Howmet Aerospace. Howmet do mention that they have a partnership with Makita and their version does use Makita branded batteries but the Makita model is missing the pull force adjustment buttons that are on the Huck.
The kango metal rivet attachment for a drill is fantastic and at $100 beats all of these. I have literally popped thousands with it. I bought a spare just in case.
I haven't used the Kango, but I've used several of the plastic ones that are rebadged by Kincrome, P&N, etc. They all die after 300-600 rivets. I've taken them apart and serviced them, but you only get another 100 rivets before doing it all again. The Kango on the outside looks better quality. Still has the same drawbacks of needing to reverse the drill to eject the mandrel, and needing two hands.
A bit what DeWalt has done (copied old good Black&Decker) attachment to "drills" , i have their sheet metal cutter , they have also pipe cutter out now . Aint going to spend 400-500 on a tool i use casually , if i can get a working attachment for 70 -100 . Black&Decker (yeah i know its same company now 🙂) they had crazy attachments to their power drill , i still have their hedge trimmer attachment from 1980s , only snag with that was that you had to take drill chuck off and replace it with a special part .
Bloody hell that's a lot of money on 1 screen. Definitely see what you mean about the makita, definitely a production tool. If you read this, please review the Duc101 as soon as you can get it please, the 12V is already here in Aus
damn bro.. you almost have as many 40v batteries as I have 18v lol.. really wish makita would do larger than 6ah 18v batteries. have you ever spoken to them about why they don't? cheers for the review. I really like the bosch too it looks like a good tool. oh and cheers for the chuckle at the end. that ryobi long nose riveter looks interesting haha
I bought the (very expensive) Makita DRV250 and it's utter garbage! It snaps rivets off leaving a 5mm stub of the shaft sticking out - even using expensive German rivets. It also jams the snapped off shafts between the three pulling jaws necessitating the tear-down of the whole damn nose. I have dozens of Makita tools and this is the only completely rubbish one. I now have the Milwaukee M12 tool (the first Milwaukee I've owned) and it works just fine on 4.8mm rivets.
Thanks for the suggestion @@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL. That was my first thought so I tried replacing the pull rod in case I had made a mistake or they had come incorrectly labelled. TBH. it's the only bad Makita experience I've had... unlike Ryobi 🤐
I’ve done 4.8mm stainless with the m12 and it does it fine. Did about 30 rivets. It sounds like it struggles compared to the 3.2mm aluminium rivets but it does do them
I've got the DRV150- I've had this exact issue with bralo sealed rivets, but never with anything else. When i changed the rivet length, it solved the problem. I've found 2.5 times the material thickness is the best length
I've probably done around 10,000 4.8mm alu rivets with the makita (150 version) in the last two years. No real issues, and i've only greased up 4/5 times. Changing parts is a pain, but you get quite good at it!
Can you don stainless steel rivets those look like aluminum I have stainless and man is it difficult I have a hand rivet gun but it’s a work out compared to aluminum
I've sold a few of the Makita riveters to guys who have used stainless and they have all said it did it no worries 👍 Also, the Bosch has the better warranty by 1 year.
Thanks for your in-depth comparison of these tools. There aren’t many channels doing proper comparisons for these more niche type of tools. Probably due to how expensive they are.
I’m with you in regards to the Bosch. Functionality wise it’s definitely my preferred option. But it would have been perfect if it had the same stroke like the others. By the way, damn bro you have a lot of Makita batteries. Makita should be sending you free tools to review as I’m pretty sure your channel has helped sell heaps of tools for them.
Won’t be long before someone comes around to tell us that we’re wasting money and that they can totally do 10,000 rivets with a manual squeeze job in under five minutes.
reading you comment give my arthritis nightmare
I'm a Makita guy but we have the lower end Milwaukee pop gun $250 ish Canadian and works flawlessly on 3/16 rivets. I wish Makita would have a cheaper version.
It's the only one that has a price that fits casual user , Makita , M18 Milwaukee , Metabo (only does 6mm aluminum) and Bosch are too pricy .
Makita could do 12V tool for max 4,8 mm rivets .
I'm happy with the speed & effort required to set 3.2mm & 4.0mm rivets with a 1 handed manual tool, even using stainless rivets. I've set a few 100 3.2mm stainless rivets in a session which gets a bit hard on the hands. I use countersunk 4.8, 6.4 & 6.8 stainless rivets for attaching gate hinges & landscaping occasionally. They are hard to pull by hand & the mandrels jamb in most 1 handed riveters. Often the 2 handed POP tool is too big to get in tight spaces & is awkward to use. So I'd be happy with a tool that only pulls 4.8+ - if I could afford it. Maybe sell some stock of 6.8mm stainless rivets - they are dear.
This is a useful and much needed video
Rivet nut tools next time.
This was a riveting watch, another great vid tools
Great video as usual! Oddly enough, the US Makita model (which I own several of) shows no 1/4" stainless limitations, and even specifies it is good up to 1/4" in aluminum, steel and stainless steel. Also, the US Milwaukee version claims a max capacity of 1/4", not the 9/32" that I guess you guys get, which is unfortunate. Being that both the Makita and Milwaukee claim 20 kN of pulling force I couldn't imagine there would be any reason you couldn't use the European model Makita to do 1/4" stainless.
That was very riveting 😂😂😂😂, you can buy a 6" nose extension for the M12 and M18, you can also buy the retention sizing nose pieces for both the M12 and M18 not sure if the M12 would be usable on the M18 or not but worth a try. You can also buy a conversion kit to turn the lockbolt tool into a blind rivet on.
Super useful! Thanks! I need to do like 600 rivets so…
The Makita is based on the Huck guns, Huck are one of if not the industry standard for rivet assembly. Aircrafts to bridges, Huck/ Makita is where it's at. Watch for a Makita gun that will pull 12.7mm rivets.....
I've made a vid about the new makita 1/2" rivet tool and the association with Huck.
Riveting
😂
All nice and good. But the question is why do you have a Lego separator on a bench?
Nice to see the Bosch included. Looks really compact compared to the Milwaukee.
I will say that the Milwaukee M12 is almost great for what it is designed to do. I have had no issues after a couple 1000 long body 3/16" rivets. The only thing that should be improved on the M12 is the catcher for the waste mandrels. It would be nice if the waste mandrel catcher was transparent like the 18 volt Makita so you could see how full it is. When the Milwaukee M12 catcher gets packed full of waste mandrels it pops the lid off and they all fall out. It is annoying enough in the shop but out in the yard it is downright maddening to have to pick mandrels out of the dirt especially if they are aluminum since you cannot use a magnet. I can live with the tool size but that waste mandrel catcher seems like a poor design afterthought.
Milwaukee M12 it's a slowly tortilla!
Loving this channel more and more by the day...
I've tried all but the Bosch and none of them have been enough to take me away from my Gesipas.
The reasons for the differences with the Makita rivet gun vs regular Makita tools is that it is a rebadged Huck rivet gun from Howmet Aerospace. Howmet do mention that they have a partnership with Makita and their version does use Makita branded batteries but the Makita model is missing the pull force adjustment buttons that are on the Huck.
Dewalt have one too.. DCF414NT-XJ
I wish I knew how that compares..
I would love to have one, but the price tag and lack of availability in the US means I will have to stick to manual or pneumatic. (At least for now)
If you don't need to use 1/4" rivets then the M12 can often be found at a very good price.
Another shootout, nice!
11:15 самый приятный звук у МАКИТЫ
Булатный лайк мой👍
This was a riveting watch!
Waiting for the Nuron one still and I just read the specs of their current one: 25mm stroke 10 kN. Granted it’s a 3/16” model, but still…
Pfft.
I’ve had the SPC one for 8 years never had a drama with it
We’d get 500 pops on a charge
Very compact
The kango metal rivet attachment for a drill is fantastic and at $100 beats all of these. I have literally popped thousands with it. I bought a spare just in case.
Are you using the 1/4 model or only the 4.8mm model? I was very curious how the 1/4 model would hold up for 1/4 rivets
I haven't used the Kango, but I've used several of the plastic ones that are rebadged by Kincrome, P&N, etc. They all die after 300-600 rivets. I've taken them apart and serviced them, but you only get another 100 rivets before doing it all again. The Kango on the outside looks better quality.
Still has the same drawbacks of needing to reverse the drill to eject the mandrel, and needing two hands.
A bit what DeWalt has done (copied old good Black&Decker) attachment to "drills" , i have their sheet metal cutter , they have also pipe cutter out now .
Aint going to spend 400-500 on a tool i use casually , if i can get a working attachment for 70 -100 .
Black&Decker (yeah i know its same company now 🙂) they had crazy attachments to their power drill , i still have their hedge trimmer attachment from 1980s , only snag with that was that you had to take drill chuck off and replace it with a special part .
Bloody hell that's a lot of money on 1 screen. Definitely see what you mean about the makita, definitely a production tool.
If you read this, please review the Duc101 as soon as you can get it please, the 12V is already here in Aus
damn bro.. you almost have as many 40v batteries as I have 18v lol.. really wish makita would do larger than 6ah 18v batteries. have you ever spoken to them about why they don't? cheers for the review. I really like the bosch too it looks like a good tool. oh and cheers for the chuckle at the end. that ryobi long nose riveter looks interesting haha
cant wait for the ryobi pinocchio edition rivet gun review ! 🤣
Have you seen the new dewalt rivet guns?
I bought the (very expensive) Makita DRV250 and it's utter garbage! It snaps rivets off leaving a 5mm stub of the shaft sticking out - even using expensive German rivets. It also jams the snapped off shafts between the three pulling jaws necessitating the tear-down of the whole damn nose. I have dozens of Makita tools and this is the only completely rubbish one. I now have the Milwaukee M12 tool (the first Milwaukee I've owned) and it works just fine on 4.8mm rivets.
It sounds like you are not using the right pull rod for the right rivet size.
Thanks for the suggestion @@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL. That was my first thought so I tried replacing the pull rod in case I had made a mistake or they had come incorrectly labelled. TBH. it's the only bad Makita experience I've had... unlike Ryobi 🤐
I’ve done 4.8mm stainless with the m12 and it does it fine. Did about 30 rivets. It sounds like it struggles compared to the 3.2mm aluminium rivets but it does do them
I've got the DRV150- I've had this exact issue with bralo sealed rivets, but never with anything else. When i changed the rivet length, it solved the problem. I've found 2.5 times the material thickness is the best length
@@SamS-gn4vl Love the M12
should have put a gesipa in as a reference point ,,,
I should have robbed a bank first too.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL ok ,,, maybe borrowed one ,,, they are a tad spendy.
is anywhere something for bigger stainless rivets?
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Cool 😎
Now do 1,000 alu rivets on each and count how many times each jams and needs to be pulled apart 😅
I've probably done around 10,000 4.8mm alu rivets with the makita (150 version) in the last two years. No real issues, and i've only greased up 4/5 times. Changing parts is a pain, but you get quite good at it!
damn i think u have more xgt battery than wasabi chnnel
Can you don stainless steel rivets those look like aluminum I have stainless and man is it difficult I have a hand rivet gun but it’s a work out compared to aluminum
You can do stainless on all these just not up to the max sizes. I think the Milwaukee does 1/4 in stainless. I explain what each does in the video.
What is the price how can i contact u
Do you have Google search in your village?
Please send me one of the makitas!!!!!
Sure thing. Please leave your address and credit card details and I'll get one shipped out to you right away.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL twenty dollar???!!!!
You been smoking some good stuff dude.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Wait till the moonshine videos hit.....
Makita finger hole is stupid!
How about DeWalt dcf403, dcf414, gesipa 18v and metabo?
Well done for mentioning the Dewalt ones that have just been released. Also, do you realise how much these things cost???!
Finally, first comment!
Third actually.
Not all americans are stupid I promise some of us know there's a whole big world out there different from ours lol.
I know. But the stupid ones like to comment the most.
first ;)
I've sold a few of the Makita riveters to guys who have used stainless and they have all said it did it no worries 👍
Also, the Bosch has the better warranty by 1 year.