This is what Spa-Francorchamps looked like in 1934
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2022
- There used to be a time at Spa where drivers took a left at Eau Rouge instead of going up Raidillon. At 14.950 km, this circuit was more than two times longer than today's current circuit.
This F1 2022 onboard lap is driven in Assetto Corsa at the Old Spa-Francorchamps circuit with Max Verstappen in the Red Bull Racing RB18 challenger.
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This Lap here was 2:44 faster than the Fastest Lap back in 1934. So if this Red Bull would entered the 1934 belgian gp, it would be lapping some of the slower cars at their first lap.
Nah, even a Haas VF-21 would lead to the disqualification of the fastest 1934 car if the 107% rule was followed during qualifying.
@@aadixum no shit, any F1 car for the last 60 years would, maybe even since the beginning of F1
@@aadixum I don't think there was such a rule in 1934.
@@mccririck01 If the 107% rule had existed, then nearly the whole grid would have been disqualified.
Have motoracing even started yet?
Crazy how the roads in Wallonia were better in 1934 than what they are today
Blame germany
💀💀💀
@@cohengamertv6548 blame France to not give up in the war. 🤌 stay with the 🇺🇦, sucker.
They're the same roads as 1934 that's why xD
@@HPBrowningBoy you defo didn't get the joke
The chicane at 1:04 is an anti safety measure.
literally more dangerous lol
@@szandorthe13th still safer than isle of man though
true
I was thinking "wtf is this? as he approached.
I legitimately thought "wait, there's a TURN there?"
can't even blame the large cars; that turn is nasty
Jim Clarke hated Spa. He thought it was lethal... finished the race in 1960 with blood spattered on his car from the fatal accident of Chris Bristow. He always said that even the nurburgring was safe in comparison to the Spa track, as it was then
Just looked up Chris Bristow on Wikipedia... big mistake.
_"Cars regularly sped through the Burnenville corner at 120 miles per hour. There was a four-foot embankment there and _*_barbed wire_*_ in the meadow about ten feet back from the road. Bristow's Cooper hit the bank and rolled over; _*_he was hurled into the barbed wire, which decapitated him._*_ As the crash occurred on the inside of the corner, his body continued _*_back onto the track,_*_ where it sat _*_for the rest of the Grand Prix."_*
My God.
@@h.a.9880 and people still harp on nostalgia despite everything
@@sneeki8082 Yeah, F1 was a very lethal sport (much like any racing sport of those times, really)... thankfully, it's much safer.
I mean no disrespect to our current drivers, but given the oftentimes brutal and tragic ends of drivers back in those days, they were much more courageous. Driving 3 or 4 seasons in the 50s is more impressive than driving 10+ years today.
@@h.a.9880 I kinda agree, but man, the iconic look of the cars with the aero and stuff is iconic to F1 imo. the cars of the 50s just remind me of normal road cars with just less protection, and that took wayy more balls to drive
@@sneeki8082 Oh yeah. The F1 cars before the advent of aerosurfaces do have a certain appeal, but I prefer the more modern look as well, specifically that of the 90s cause (unsurprisingly) that's when I got into the sport.
As impressive as all the aero-do-dats and vortex-do-hickeys might be, the mid-90s cars just had this very straigtforward aero-setup and I liked it.
1:03 that corner
Corner ? WHAT corner ?
Bot, 7 second later, there is that chicane...
Leclerc would totally crash on that corner.
@@matheusdesouza3047
I am stupid. I am stupid.
-Charles Leclerc 2019
As long as they fix the chicane at 1:04, could you imagine how bad the strain on the engine would be if this layout _could_ be used in modern F1?
Not to mention the chassis, i`m pretty sure the amount of bending and fractures at the end of the race are more like heartattack level worrying. (if you can get to the end of the race)
That if the wings dont fly off because pressure, vibration and grounding first.
Every car should be completely scrapped at the end of the race, for safety.
Imagine just sitting in a car going 150kph on a straight for 5 minutes💀😴
@@vuurscheet2101 😭😭😭
This track configuration is expressly made for the WEC. 24h Spa on this track would be epic.
@@vuurscheet2101 Imagine having DRS throughout that straight
back when eau rouge was an actual left hander and the l'ancienne douane hairpin wasnt abandoned
Given that Eau Rouge now is pretty much flat out in anything they could do worse than bring back L'Ancienne Douane from being a car park / emergancy vehicle point.
When i watch WW2 clips of the Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes forest, I always think, damn Spa already exists somewhere around there.
Kampfgruppe Peiper murdured around 500 American soldiers and Belgian civilians around Stavelot and Malmedy. Old layout of Spa went through outskirts of both towns.
I remember going up Raidillon as a kid in my dad's lorry , back in the days when the circuit was still public road.
Loaded to the brim with the gear of a local scouting group heading out to the Ardennes, we barely made it up :-)
Amazing road design, but hey, its belgium
1:04 I love the big left arrow just before a righthand turn. I hope nobody actually turned left. Especially since the right hand turn was so hard to see.
I think the chicane there was only used for a handful of races and one was proposed just before the Masta kink. You can see both on google maps. One is a lay-by and the other is parking for the residents of Masta
Edit: the Malmedy chicane actually leads to a dirt road of some kind that goes underneath and then alongside the motorway
@@daisyleedham2275kinda cool to see the original layout still fully accessible and connected to the modern circuit as escape roads
1:07 337KM/H to 46KM/H that's insane braking
Ferrari’s engine would have failed before completing a lap
every engine tbh
"aight I'mma head out"
The moment when a ferrari fan see this commentary 🥲
In f1 2022 ferrari has 97 fiability engine
@@PuniBelserion not irl tho
Going pass houses on the straight crazy imagine crashing there 😬
Sadly, some did... and ultimately lost their lives in the process. Though safety measures in F1 are never perfect, it has come a long way since the earliest days.
In the deluge of a first lap in 1966, Jackie Stewart hit a telephone pole and was stuck, soaked in fuel under his BRM in a ditch for 30min while Grahame Hill & Bob Bondurant worked to free him & then bring him some medical attention. That was the starting point of modern F1 safety and the GPDA. The 14km Spa was the first track they boycotted in 1969 because the circuit had refused their request to install guard rails. By 1971 the track was the modern 7km version with barriers, more marshals and rules about wet starts.
Go watch videos of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy.
@JB_3009 And on top of that, at 340+ km/h!
No need to imagine it. As a previous responder has mentioned, the 1966 Grand Prix there was carnage. Also, as fate would have it, the carnage was being filmed for the backdrop that would form the Belgian Grand Prix scene in the movie, Grand Prix, where, one of the main characters crashes, exactly where you're imagining. You'll find it on You tube.
The modders should have put grass/trees/whatever was there at the "current" Raidillon as the Ancienne Douane section was the De Facto layout indeed, but also because Raidillon was built in 1939...
Imagine if they kept this layout today
I dont think hamilton will aprove with those straits😂
@@dodo-dx2mn Porpoising...
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@@dodo-dx2mn "dAnGerouS poRpOisInG"
Redbull power: STONK
Dangerous
That's Spa Francorchamps, where F1 meets your past and future!!
Something that's interesting to me at least is that the southern sector of this track is basically part of the front line to the top bit of the "Bulge" from the Battle of the Bulge.
That chicane is near where the Malmedy Massacre was and Stavelot is close to the fuel dump the Germans missed.
Imagine Lewis driving this circuit with the W13...
His back might feel nice I believe...
The fucking turbulence
"Bono, my back is gone..."
"my seat is broken"
Engine temperatures would make it a 2 lap race
The chicane at 1:05 might make it a 0 lap race
Imagine locking up there?
Just enough to deny refund claims 🤣
An incredibly dangerous track, with all those stone houses next to the track. Not to mention the trees, the telephone poles and the barbed wire fences.
Imagine chilling in your house when an F1 car comes flying through the window
@@charles-ng6jj That would surely have been something to tell your grandchildren about.
Still safer than Jeddah.
@@unthenner5519 Lmao, kids pretending Jeddah is actually dangerous. Interesting and actually challenging, yes. Dangerous? No. What's the point of the cars having all these safety features if you also only want to let them race on boring, Paul Ricard style dishpans with infinite run off and no punishment for mistakes?
If you want to imagine what that feels like go to the Isle of Man TT races and stand in someone’s front garden in the village of Kirk Michael as they ride past at 150 mph plus.
That corner at 1:05 😳😳😳
they should make all buildings around this track unesco heritage. When i went to f1 last year i entered the track trough blanchimont. A long the way you could still see the same houses around the historic track.
Well done at 1:05. That was really tight
This version would certainly stablish in the final standings all teams sorted by HP, perfectly.
Over 3 minutes for a lap in a modern F1 car. In 1934 they must’ve been timing with a calendar
They did in in 5 mins 19secs in 1939 in the rain !!
Most of the difference is in braking and turning. With the straights being so long, the monster Auto Union and Mercedes of the 1930s reached top speeds comparable to the modern F1s.
1:05 What the actual f... is that piece of sh..?!?
That my friend is the Malmedy Chicane!
Looks like a field trip for George Russell
"Flat round here, flat round here, and then flat round here..."
The real Eau Rouge corner was driven in this video. Edit: Also how did you manage to drive that Malmedy Chicane so cleanly?
This was the only take where I took the chicane so smooth lol
@@Mitsos1311 lol
@@Mitsos1311 😂😂😂
The old Raidillon was better. They should re-introduce this part of the track.
@@drej410 Yeah I agree, old is gold!
Taking Masta Kink at 340 kmh....Sir Jackie Steward definitely has a word to say about this one :-)
only a masta could drive through that kink ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
F1 drivers back in the day were a special breed of insane
“Max, it’s Christian. You have one lap to go. I’m going to grab lunch and by the time you are done, I should be on the pudding menu.”
Imagine missing that braking point at 1:04 🤯
Then you're gonna die
Not to mention all the places where you could get a flat tire and fly off the track and hit a tree. Imagine plowing into a tree at 340 km/hr.
1:06 that corner tho so tightly 😱
Amazing, i imagine one fast lap in this car in the most insane circuit of the world, the Gávea circuit, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. This insane.
Completely unrecognizable. I wouldn't have even guessed it was Spa
Those old tracks are the physical embodiment of floor it and hope for the best.
Merc would have been 6 laps down in the end of the race with their porpoising and the track quality
The left just before eau rouge was always open for the public years and years ago. You could run the road up to eau rouge, driving past the pitlane and the back part after eau rouge. Childhood memories
I find it really interesting that those straights are extremely long, would they have broken DRS strains or made them worse?
DRS strains... suspension strains... engine strains... this track is insane bro
They would definitely be worse, in fact if we're being honest with most modern cars (not just F1) a race at this layout of the track would be dull as hell. You can see that modern cars have so much downforce that all the driver is really doing for 90% of the time is putting the foot down and leaving it there. Even in few braking zones that are there the track is to narrow to overtake. The only overtakes that might happen are DRS along the streights but even that would be mostly pointless since the positions would just swap again on the next one, theirs nothing the defending driver can do about it.
I know some like to get teary eyed and nostalgic about old tracks like this, but the truth is they stopped racing on them for a reason.
@@Robert3785 when it was without the chicanes it was even more straight lol, literally there was only one point on the track that required heavy braking
@@Robert3785 Totally. Without the Eau Rouge and Stavelot hairpins, it would be even worse.
@@Calafax Three. They used to have to brake for Eau Rouge. They also had to brake for Les Combes/Haute de la Cote. Otherwise, not much.
That is so cool, my favorite F1 race track. I wish they did a modern take on Spa, not just what it used to look like but, put barriers, resurfaced the track, corner bumps, the works.
Excellent.
That means there would have to be well executed roadworks to public roads in Belgium. We don't do that here 😂
@@greasinggeek
Do not worry, I'm sure if we can get the Germans and the French, who are experts in this sort of thing, over into Belgium, and together they can figure something out
😁😁
I love how you can hear the hybrid kicking in on that square right turn.
Max verstappen casually time travelling to 1934 would be such a fun thing to watch
Bro will be doing side quests after completing the main game
I mean you wouldn't, would you
Thanks for sharing this!
We clearly need more classic tracks/layouts in modern racing games.
Essa parte de alta foi viagem!!! E no final reduz para primeira com velocidade mínima a direita e esquerda. Chicane doida. As retas eram longas. Gostei da pista antiga!
The way that hairpin was taken was breathtaking! Well done but would be even better in cockpit..
Safety regulations today: barriers, halo, safety car
Safety regulations before: *arrow to left but with turn to right* 1:04
It’s just a prank bro
haybales for barriers, magnesium chasis, optional helmets, no steabelts, no rules for overtaking or entering pits...shit was crazy back then. Glad people realized (a little late, but they still did) that firmula drivers aren't expendable.
Back then I can imagine a few fans died getting ran over by crashing cars too.
Janice!!, the space cars are back!
You can really see the mentality of older tracks was corners were only there because something got in the way of bombing along at top speed along a straight and because you needed to eventually get back to where you started.
Great little vid, the Malmedy chicane at 1.04 was removed in 1934, but the rest of the track stayed that way until 1939, when the Eau Rouge river had the new bridge built over it to make the corner we know today. The fastest lap by Mercedes was in 1937 at 5 min 5 secs. Unfortunately in 1939 it rained and even with the new Eau Rouge they could only do 5 min 15sec. But with skinny tyres and no aero
It was put back in 1970 and remained there for the duration of this layout.
You can actually still see this layout on google maps. It still has some of the markings and buildings left lol
Serious 'Cruis'n' vibes. Kept waiting to hear "Checkpoint!"
That's pretty good colour footage and a surprisingly modern looking car for 1934 🤪
It would be a 21 lap grand prix for this version of Spa-Francorchamps
Just imagine the procedures for unlapping after safety car XD
@@RadeticDaniel LOL
That's 1000 times better than today's circuit. 🙌
Amazing work with this simulation! Thank you so much! A pleasure to watch!
Is it possible to also do a simulation with the V10's of 2005 specs?
Imagine you just want to leave your house to buy some groceries and then there are F1 cars driving right in front of your doorway
0:53 that is so sick corner with current F1s
I think there are many recent F1 drivers in deep envy of that smooth setup. No bouncing around in the car...
I think that left kink before La Source is the place where Richard Seaman fatally crashed his Mercedes W154 in 1939.
Correct. And Archie Scott Brown hit his memorial stone in the accident that killed him.
Perfectly beautiful
Amazing!
Медленные профилированные повороты после скоростных это просто чудо!
Thanks for posting this great video. Evidently the Bus Stop Chicane wasn't used in 1934. I remember it though and I missed it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
ohh, I didnt know it. I have enjoyed the lap, interesting video.
thats some dangerous driving man
If I remember correctly, this is the course shown in the famous 1966 movie Grand Prix ( James Garner, Eva Marie Saint, Yves Montand, Jessica Walter, Francoise Hardy ). Great circuit, then and now, and great movie - then and now.
That was the later version that turned right at Eau Rouge but then left after Les Combes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamps#/media/File:Circuit_spa_old.png
This is why i absolutely adore sim racing. Where else would you be able to do this.
I didn't know back then it was long I really thought it just the handgun shape layout today 👍.
Just totally crazy !
So that was interesting to watch our belgian GP was more like hella long straight lines with some strange corners and NO Eau Rouge/ Raidillon in first sector but a U-Right turn instead damn most interested track ive ever seen
So much better than today.
Imagine waking up to a racecar crashing in your bedroom.
Πολύ ενδιαφέρουσα η συγκεκριμένη διαδρομή. Εξαιρετικό το Video.
👍
In 1986 I accompanied Jackie Stewart to the site of his famous 1966 crash, when he ended up in a local farmer’s chicken coop. He hadn’t been back until that day.
He said that back then, the wire wasn’t to keep cars in but to keep cows out . . .
You get more overtakes in 1 lap on this than full race in monaco
Another cool thing is, that historic layout is 💯 public roads that you still can drive today.
you had to be an absolute maniac back then to race on these tracks.
That looked like fun
The drivers back then were real daredevils, considering that at that time they drove cars that reached 280-300 km/h, which were equipped with narrow tires and drum brakes.
Very little to protect them when they crashed too. Didn’t even have seatbelts and helmets did little to absorb any impact assuming they wore them at all. Fire was probably an even bigger fear in a hard impact.
It was like watching an A.I. do that lap. I don't play F1 games but that was impressive.
Spa doesn’t look all that different in the 1966 film Grand Prix. The lap was shorter, but probably with as many trackside hazards per mile. To add to the danger, the 1966 race (of which real footage is edited into the film) was run in torrential rain. A lot of the footage is from onboard cameras (albeit not on race day). If you’re a motorsport fan it’s well worth checking out, and has similar sequences from other tracks in the 1966 calendar, such as Monaco and Monza. Though they added a fictional lap that included Monza’s banking into the film - by that point the banking hadn’t been used for a few years.
I like how it starts on a track and then just fucks off into the countryside
The original south circuit at Nurburgring. I actually drove it so seeing it again would be cool.
Looks like fun
This circuit layout feels like someone decided the success of it would be determined on how many drivers were killed each race.
impressionant !
Spa is the only race on the calendar when I’m glad if it rains
1:33
"How terrifying do you wanna be?"
Masta Kink: "Yes."
Hi could u do a hot lap on the dover raceway in Jamaica pls I also liked and subbed bc I love your content
Good job
The hairpin at eau rouge is still there to this day
Bring it back! I would enjoy seeing a straight so long that the drivers would need to strategize when they should pass (no DRS of course) so that they don't get repassed on the same straight.
Feels like F1 Spa-Francorchamps TT.
I have this track. As you approached the chicane at 1:05 I kept thinking, "He's going to have to brake! He's going to have to brake!"
Brake*
brilliant
After that turn away from what i think was the eau rouge chicane, I completely lost my sense of direction
1:07 JESUS WET
1:05 que redução e freada mostras pra curva! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
imagine the porposing here
Poor Lewis would need a crane 🏗 to get in n out of his car 😳😳after a few laps.that chicane at 1.05 jeez 🫣🫣😱😱strewth it’s dodgy
@@michaelslater2211 he would be dead on the 2nd lap
It's just porpoising non stop
0:00 - 0:14 that's terrifying