I think riding with your opposite foot forward to unlearn some of the dominance helps you corner when you find yourself in an unexpected situation and helps overall bike control.
Awesome video, it explains why my front wheel washes out on corners occasionally and allows a more dymanic style of riding. I also liked Niel's plumbline explanation - I think I've had my plums on the wrong line and that hurts!
really liked the bits where there are 2 neill`s the dual footage/film is really helping me a lot and it is good to see neill explain something where seeing him do at the same time more of this please
As a motocrosser getting into MTB this is a great video. So much physics is the same, but at the same time, how you accomplish those physics is different. And that’s what I need to learn.
I got a bit of coaching and these techniques have made me much safer in turns, I was washing my front tyre out and dropping my chest and getting my hips out really made a difference… also I was opening my outside knee instead of leaning it into the turn.
On Neil's point about moving you weight weight around on Corners, I have a hack. What I started to do this year is look at the exit of the corner and turn my hips in that direction and then just let the bike and my arms go with the flow. I still don't have perfect technique but I am faster.
By the way, this is good stuff Neil! One of your best tutorials yet. Moto guys have been at the forefront of hip and counter steer much longer. Can't help but think you might be watching a bit of Ryan Hughs or MX Factory 😄👍
Something I’ve noticed is the difference when riding a mullet (27.5 rear, 29 front) in bike park and the steeps how much easier it is to rail a corner than with my 29’er trail bike.
Good video. Cornering is one aspect of riding I really need to work on. I struggle with dropping my outside foot and leaning the bike. I think my motocross background hurts me in that regard. I’m so used to level feet, it’s foreign to turn with a foot lower than the other. Oh well, back to the basics!
Counter steering is a lot easier the faster you go, don’t turn the handlebar; just push with the inside hand in the direction you are turning. It’s easiest to learn on a motorbike.
Question for GMBN, how do you know if you can go even quicker into burms? Are you feeling your tires loosing grip when cornering too fast? On my local mountain bike trail (You Yangs Australia 🇦🇺) I am going into burms pretty fast as you enter with a lot of speed. I find myself dabbing the brake but I’m tempted to carry it through the burm without braking but I want to try and get an understanding if it maybe too fast.
I used to turn in a way Neil described. But! Recently I discovered some new technic, which I'd tried and I think I found something interesting. So when I lean my bike to the turn, my body kind of turn in an opposite way, my butt is off saddle from inside of the turn and my weight is on my outer hand and my outer leg's inside part. It feels like I bending over the top tube pressuring with only my outer arm while I kind of sitting by my outer leg's inner part on the saddle's outer edge pushing it vertically down. Also it feels like instead of turning my body into the turn, I turning my lower body OUT of the turn like to face the possible drift with front of my body and not drifting back blindly. Upper body is turned into the turn though. So it is like I am turning only my bike and my upper body into the turn and my lower body is facing straight like there is no turn and I am going to slide forward. So I bent over the frame and my body is twisted by turning my head into the turn. And the most exciting thing is when a drift happens: I feel some extra control to stabilize the bike by un-twisting and un-bending naturally and it also gives extra time rather to dub a foot to save or even turn head back straight to face the drift and manage it to when it grips. I am excited about this technic lately and wonder if it has some caveats. Anyway, when I tried it in my local training ground It felt like I finaly found the turn confidence I was looking for for a while. So I am glad to sare it with some strangers on the comment section under a random bike video 🌚
Tips for turns -Think like a skiier Turning starts from committed intention, LOOK to your EXIT, POINT with your PARTS, (male or female varieties) LET shoulders hands hips feet SKIS FOLLOW, in other words be fluid and relaxed, do not try to push a rope thats dumb, pull the rope instead. In skiing when you're scared because of steepness or speed one tends to hide behind the skis and try to push them to go first. Big mistake. INTENTION and courage( the top four inches) MUST LEAD. THEN WE: LOOK, POINT, LET FOLLOW
I've been my corners like that though when dropping the bike into the corner I have been concentrating on pushing down with my hand the outside bar to put the weight on the front wheel. Recently the club has reworked a track which is all corners crisis crossing a ridge all the way down . Now the corners are huge berms and I found out that technique doesn't work on that track anymore. I'm not used to big berms so I hope I'll find the answer here
Does anybody remember Inner Tennis, or inner skier ? There has to be an inner biker... You watch and you imlate. Very simple. This iPad is messed up and I can’t see what I’m typing. I’ve seen a still of me in the cul de sac, and ok, that looks right. Just saying, most people need a lot of coaching, or the other way around.
You should be able to keep your weight pretty central even though you are changing foot position! Give it a go on a flat surface before you use it out on the trail and you'll be able to feel the effects better. 🤘
The reason your hips have so much influence is because that is where the center of mass (CoM) is located. It enables a rider to shift the load from rear to front and side to side, affecting lateral and vertical forces. Moving the arms and the head have little influence on the overall center of gravity, is it only manipulates the center of pressure in regard to center of gravity. The only way to significantly affect center of gravity is to manipulate center of mass. This is something Road Riders do not understand and is completely lost on them. Putting your hands in the drops on a descent does not make the bike more stable but rather makes the bike more unstable by loading the front in the corners and decreasing vertical forces. Or putting your hands in the drops on a gravel bike when the terrain is loose and not providing sufficient traction. This typically results in sliding the front wheel out. Physics 101 dummies...🤣
You see Neil body position is always on top of the bike when he leans. Not enough importance is given to this, if you're into dirtbikes or tight city manoeuvres on any moto you'll understand how much more efficient counter leaning is. You need and want to be on top... 😂 Great mistake is to think you have to always lean with the bike a la moto GP... ☠️
Of course you don't want to lean like MotoGP or Superbike because on pavement you lean the body with the bike to manipulate the center of pressure in relation to center of gravity. On the dirt you keep the body centered and lean the bike it has more to do with the coefficient of friction than just body position
Personally, I prefer my pedals at 3/9 o'clock and weight the pedals and front, it's waaaaaaay easier to lean the bike over, esp from one side to side during linked corners.
It's easier to move the bike because of body bike separation not because of your foot or chest position. Do back-to-back runs first sit on the saddle with that foot and body position then the same run with your backside just off the saddle. The most affect your body has is from Center of mass and allowing the bike to move underneath the body. It's physics. 🙄
@@rider65 I'm sure body/bike separation is the key, but I definitely feel more separated at with pedals at 3/9 - having both legs loaded evenly, well, maybe with a little more weight on the outside, instead of all the weight on one (much more extended) leg/outside pedal. With pedals even I can push/pump, feel 'in' the bike more, move the hips easier. For really rough stuff outside pedal down for sure, will keep experimenting but I've just recently become much more of an even pedal rider!
What's your favourite type of corner? Let us know in the comments section below! 👇
Tight switchbacks where you need to endo.
Just to shame your buds who can't 😂
Big, flowy berms
straight corners, they defy logic.
@@LaurentiusTriariusCan you actually endo left and right?!
every single one matters
I've naturally always pedalled half back like that to get that stance I'm glad someone's told me it's an actual thing.
I do the same..good to know it's an actual technique.
I think riding with your opposite foot forward to unlearn some of the dominance helps you corner when you find yourself in an unexpected situation and helps overall bike control.
Awesome video, it explains why my front wheel washes out on corners occasionally and allows a more dymanic style of riding. I also liked Niel's plumbline explanation - I think I've had my plums on the wrong line and that hurts!
really liked the bits where there are 2 neill`s the dual footage/film is really helping me a lot and it is good to see neill explain something where seeing him do at the same time more of this please
As a motocrosser getting into MTB this is a great video. So much physics is the same, but at the same time, how you accomplish those physics is different. And that’s what I need to learn.
I got a bit of coaching and these techniques have made me much safer in turns, I was washing my front tyre out and dropping my chest and getting my hips out really made a difference… also I was opening my outside knee instead of leaning it into the turn.
On Neil's point about moving you weight weight around on Corners, I have a hack. What I started to do this year is look at the exit of the corner and turn my hips in that direction and then just let the bike and my arms go with the flow. I still don't have perfect technique but I am faster.
Oh, and now Neil just told me to do that.
Keep it up, in many sports steering with the hips is the best practice. Start with the hips and your shoulders and head will follow! 🔥
A great refresher Neil. Many thanks for how clearly you described the rider positioning.
Most basic and still most difficult technique. Amazing video!
By the way, this is good stuff Neil! One of your best tutorials yet. Moto guys have been at the forefront of hip and counter steer much longer. Can't help but think you might be watching a bit of Ryan Hughs or MX Factory 😄👍
Something I’ve noticed is the difference when riding a mullet (27.5 rear, 29 front) in bike park and the steeps how much easier it is to rail a corner than with my 29’er trail bike.
Good video. Cornering is one aspect of riding I really need to work on. I struggle with dropping my outside foot and leaning the bike.
I think my motocross background hurts me in that regard. I’m so used to level feet, it’s foreign to turn with a foot lower than the other.
Oh well, back to the basics!
Cornering and pumping are the 2 things I’m trying to work on but my pumptrack has this one corner that I just can’t nail, hopefully this will help
Let us know how it goes! 🤘
Awesome tips form dipped the hip at the turn.....
i love mtb
Fond memories of Launchpad at the FoD 😁This reminds me, I must sort out another weekend there,
I like doing countdown into launch pad, pedal at the start and it's no brakes all the way down.
@@Alan-75 I do like the drop in to Countdown, then as you day, no brakes.
Counter steering is a lot easier the faster you go, don’t turn the handlebar; just push with the inside hand in the direction you are turning. It’s easiest to learn on a motorbike.
Question for GMBN, how do you know if you can go even quicker into burms? Are you feeling your tires loosing grip when cornering too fast?
On my local mountain bike trail (You Yangs Australia 🇦🇺) I am going into burms pretty fast as you enter with a lot of speed. I find myself dabbing the brake but I’m tempted to carry it through the burm without braking but I want to try and get an understanding if it maybe too fast.
What brake rotors were they? They looked super cool!
I used to turn in a way Neil described. But! Recently I discovered some new technic, which I'd tried and I think I found something interesting. So when I lean my bike to the turn, my body kind of turn in an opposite way, my butt is off saddle from inside of the turn and my weight is on my outer hand and my outer leg's inside part. It feels like I bending over the top tube pressuring with only my outer arm while I kind of sitting by my outer leg's inner part on the saddle's outer edge pushing it vertically down. Also it feels like instead of turning my body into the turn, I turning my lower body OUT of the turn like to face the possible drift with front of my body and not drifting back blindly. Upper body is turned into the turn though. So it is like I am turning only my bike and my upper body into the turn and my lower body is facing straight like there is no turn and I am going to slide forward. So I bent over the frame and my body is twisted by turning my head into the turn. And the most exciting thing is when a drift happens: I feel some extra control to stabilize the bike by un-twisting and un-bending naturally and it also gives extra time rather to dub a foot to save or even turn head back straight to face the drift and manage it to when it grips. I am excited about this technic lately and wonder if it has some caveats. Anyway, when I tried it in my local training ground It felt like I finaly found the turn confidence I was looking for for a while. So I am glad to sare it with some strangers on the comment section under a random bike video 🌚
Is Neal riding Fabio’s bike? I want one of those but they not available for sale in the USA though Canyon website
Fod is one of my best trail centres to ride,but sadly living nearly 5 h away 😢
A feel your pain bud
Found the off piste stuff over the road last time we went.. absolutely mint.
Tips for turns -Think like a skiier
Turning starts from committed intention, LOOK to your EXIT,
POINT with your PARTS, (male or female varieties)
LET shoulders hands hips feet SKIS FOLLOW, in other words be fluid and relaxed, do not try to push a rope thats dumb, pull the rope instead.
In skiing when you're scared because of steepness or speed one tends to hide behind the skis and try to push them to go first. Big mistake.
INTENTION and courage( the top four inches) MUST LEAD.
THEN WE:
LOOK, POINT,
LET FOLLOW
I've been my corners like that though when dropping the bike into the corner I have been concentrating on pushing down with my hand the outside bar to put the weight on the front wheel. Recently the club has reworked a track which is all corners crisis crossing a ridge all the way down . Now the corners are huge berms and I found out that technique doesn't work on that track anymore. I'm not used to big berms so I hope I'll find the answer here
Does anybody remember Inner Tennis, or inner skier ? There has to be an inner biker... You watch and you imlate. Very simple. This iPad is messed up and I can’t see what I’m typing. I’ve seen a still of me in the cul de sac, and ok, that looks right. Just saying, most people need a lot of coaching, or the other way around.
ohlins
Wouldn't the bike want to become more upright if you push your outside foot all the way down too early?
You should be able to keep your weight pretty central even though you are changing foot position! Give it a go on a flat surface before you use it out on the trail and you'll be able to feel the effects better. 🤘
my favourite corner is the really steep berms that are almost vertical.
U turn very difficult.wish know how to do
The reason your hips have so much influence is because that is where the center of mass (CoM) is located. It enables a rider to shift the load from rear to front and side to side, affecting lateral and vertical forces.
Moving the arms and the head have little influence on the overall center of gravity, is it only manipulates the center of pressure in regard to center of gravity. The only way to significantly affect center of gravity is to manipulate center of mass.
This is something Road Riders do not understand and is completely lost on them. Putting your hands in the drops on a descent does not make the bike more stable but rather makes the bike more unstable by loading the front in the corners and decreasing vertical forces. Or putting your hands in the drops on a gravel bike when the terrain is loose and not providing sufficient traction. This typically results in sliding the front wheel out. Physics 101 dummies...🤣
You see Neil body position is always on top of the bike when he leans.
Not enough importance is given to this, if you're into dirtbikes or tight city manoeuvres on any moto you'll understand how much more efficient counter leaning is. You need and want to be on top... 😂
Great mistake is to think you have to always lean with the bike a la moto GP...
☠️
Of course you don't want to lean like MotoGP or Superbike because on pavement you lean the body with the bike to manipulate the center of pressure in relation to center of gravity. On the dirt you keep the body centered and lean the bike it has more to do with the coefficient of friction than just body position
Personally, I prefer my pedals at 3/9 o'clock and weight the pedals and front, it's waaaaaaay easier to lean the bike over, esp from one side to side during linked corners.
It's easier to move the bike because of body bike separation not because of your foot or chest position. Do back-to-back runs first sit on the saddle with that foot and body position then the same run with your backside just off the saddle. The most affect your body has is from Center of mass and allowing the bike to move underneath the body. It's physics. 🙄
@@rider65 I'm sure body/bike separation is the key, but I definitely feel more separated at with pedals at 3/9 - having both legs loaded evenly, well, maybe with a little more weight on the outside, instead of all the weight on one (much more extended) leg/outside pedal. With pedals even I can push/pump, feel 'in' the bike more, move the hips easier. For really rough stuff outside pedal down for sure, will keep experimenting but I've just recently become much more of an even pedal rider!
3rd
3rd cuck?
hello chain!
First
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First man boy?
@@gmbn why don't you stop giving validation to these Muppets focus on mountain biking and not the fragile Mama's Boys it really is sickening