Cornering is such an organic aspect of biking because there are just so many variables at at play. That "trick" or technique may work when it's damp and grippy, but completely fails in the soft/sandy/loose. Another technique may work when you're going 5mph, but falls apart at 10mph and over. Tires play a role, bike geometry plays a role, your weight plays a role, the trail conditions play a role, speed, etc,. If you find yourself freezing up and overthinking on corners, you're probably watching too much YT (analysis paralysis). Nothing will "double your speed" like time in the saddle (and pushing that envelope further and further).
Well I’m actually waiting for a pro freeride rider to come ride it with me. Was gonna show me “trying” to ride it and then show him shredding it. Haha. He lives in Canada though so it’s taking a second.
Interesting advice on foot positions when cornering. I have been riding mtn bikes for over 30 yrs and have read many articles on different techniques for different situations. In almost all articles in the 90's and early 2000's, the articles would tell you to put the outside foot down and press. The advice presented in your video makes more sense when you think of basic physics and the leverage of a fulcrum. I am definitely going to retrain my brain next time I try flow trails
I agree, pressing on the outside forces me to counter steer and I loose momentum. If I roll back half way through I seem to gain momentum like a pump. It’s really dusty here now in Texas and pushing into a flat helps but leaning forward to much causes rear tire wash out. It’s an art to master
@@johnnydoe66 How's the transitioning from old XC Mtb to your new one? Was there cognitive friction of sort? Thanks in advance! Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #KeepBiking
@@yengsabio5315 Not really too bad because my current mtb is rather tame as far as its frame geometry goes. I also wasn't riding mtn bikes for nearly two years when I purchased my new ride. I went with a Plus Hardtail and haven't regretted it one bit. I ride tech and natural terrain and don't really care much for the new machine built stuff the newer generation of riders seem to prefer.
Well, watching how the puddles of sweat just dried up within 48 hours was so satisfying, I used what I read about the other day. Although it actually took about 72 hours for the my sweating to normalize, I went ahead and go'ogled the latest by Cynthia Yulesin and I don’t have to change clothes 2 times a day.
Wish we had some sweet corners like this! Our terrain is so steep up here in lacrosse everything is pretty much straight down or straight up. We get sick berms, but they are harder to session. Good to see another video from you! I actually took a course with Rich Drew not long ago
put the outside foot down and press is the right technique pros use is all the time i have the chance to train with 1 Adam Rojček when the corner is this flat you need to push the pedal down so your tire gripes the ground more it is basiclly down force like in f1
Hhmm... Would have to disagree on that one. Outside foot down for long flat or off camber turns. Centrifugal force of cornering negates that effect of bike wanting to stand up. Worse still is braking in the corner for standing bike up. But pedals level for berms, pumping or schralps. When ya wanna "steer" with the feet!
Anyone have any thoughts on rotating hips with pedals level? I've tried it a few times but seems to twist my knee, especially if I'm turning left with right foot back. Maybe you rotate hips more as your pedal drops?
now....take those smooth berms and make them washboard with random holes and washed out sections. That's our berms because the trail builders around here don't want to maintain them, or will allow us to fix them. Nothing like coming in hot to a berm only to lose all traction. Great video though! Thanks!
Unbelievable. All these years of pushing that outside foot down. It did initially make me better at cornering. However I feel like I plateaued. And I always have found it very difficult to have bike-body separation with that foot down. But I kept putting that foot down because that is the ‘right way’ to corner.. Can’t wait to get out there and try it with flat feet. Also pushing the elbows forward a little bit more will probably help me stay forward. Been riding since the late 80s and this video had to tidbits that have me thinking And excited for my next ride. You’re always here you need to get lower and push the bike down. But hearing it explained is so much better
I agree with the feet placement controversy... I have taked a few training sessions, and guarantied, every time the coach have the oposite opinion of the last one :) So have to unlearn to learn again :)
I lost the count of how many times my tires washed out when I corner with my feet leveled, it definitely works much better and faster for me by dropping my outside foot down. Even Aaron Gwin would show that technique in his video.
Great vid! I like that you covered flat pedals versus outside foot down. I've always struggled with this and haven't seen other youtubers cover it as completely as you did.
Great video I think this will help a lot of people out! Cornering is the hardest but most rewarding skill to master. The nuances in technique between slightly bermed corners is something I'm glad you talked about every turn is unique and a different challenge.
i expected having our elbows so far up and leaning forward like that would look goofy and unnatural but it looks really good and you were flying! this video definitely helps with my confidence 👍
You missed your calling as a prime time tv reporter. Great narration, with smooth transitions between you and your instructor. Good story telling as well!
Great vid and interesting thoughts on the flat vs dropped feet. I would find myself regularly in too high of a gear meaning there wouldn’t be enough time to do half a pedal between a couple of opposing corners meaning I’d end up backpedaling a lot. Going to try flat feet and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Another layer is accelerating through the the corner like a motorcycle aka pedaling. If you have the peddle clearance in the corner accelerating helps a ton for grip and you are gaining speed at the same time.
Great instruction! I'll also vouch for Bikes Online and Polygon. I bought my wife a Siskiu D7. Nothing else in that $1700 price bracket comes close to the D7's build spec and quality.
super helpful!!! Last night on a group ride I tested the flat cornering technique, and was 100% faster and more confident on flat corners. thanks for the great video!
Another reason in my opinion why you keep your pedals level in most corners is because you can't handle as many g forces in a corner with your foot dropped. But this mainly applies to high speed high g force corners
Bend at the hips, back straight - helps keep you from body weighting the handlebars. When your back is in a C-shape, like a camel hump (not bent at the waist), it ruins the separation between what your lower body is, from what your upper body is doing, resulting in poor bike control and cornering...you can see in the video that the rider is very bent at the waist, elbows bent and this allows the body to move with the bike instead of reacting to it....
Great tutorials from Jay. Level pedal turns are more suitable for manicured bike parks were terrain is predictable and a lot consistent. 6 o'clock pedal turns are more suitable for unmaintained trails/tracks.. were things get unpredictable.
I ride motorcycles too and i definitely lean with the whole body (elbow, knee, head) on the track and on the street but i don’t do it that way going downhill on a mountain bike which doesn’t make sense. This video made me more confident to use the same concepts as leaning on a motorcycle.
Gonna go over all my footage from the past few months and see if I've been doing any of this. Ben really improving lately and some of it has just been 2nd nature while something's I've had to learn seem so alien.
The flat cornering tutorial helped me realized that coming from a playful 27.5 to a 29er that just plows through everything, I really have to lean into it when cornering. I thought it's just the bike being a tad heavier and the wheels being bigger that I'm having trouble clearing a corner but nope, I just have to adjust my body position more than I'm used to on my 27.5 bike.
Just followed the tips today and shaved 2 minutes of one of my favorite segments. Also noticed I am not out of position like I was when I had to drop pedals. This works!
I just started dh this summer and i feel pretty confident riding berms. Got some good lessons from a 10 year old kid today. Still learned some stuff from this, thanks.
Really nice. You hit on some of the subtleties of cornering that I’ve had questions about. Now I don’t! Well, there’s always questions, but this helped a lot.
Great video. Well put together. Good reminder of things that are easy to forget plus a couple new things like the flat pedals and changing your forward foot to you avoid the saddle in turns
Thank you for this! I have seen other related videos and articles but the way you explained it really clicked for me! I tried it tonight and I can already tell it's going to help a lot!
Thanks Seth!!! My wife and I worked through this video on our own backyard trails to brush up on fundamentals. The body positioning explanations really helped, as did the drills. You've gotten way smoother and Jay is an amazing coach. 🤟
Only spending 10 min on an ordered bike straight out of the box?.... come on, you could have avoided this one... Excellent video though, lots of good tips. Thanks!
Great tips. However, comparing the time from first ride, with time after 10 laps of practice the same run... Not the best way how to prove the improvement 🤟🤟
I paused the video because of the “whether they know it or not…” comment. From my experience as a motorcycle road racing couch, I can tell you, we do not know we are not going fast. It feels fast to us when we are doing it wrong because it feels dangerous. Once I taught proper body position, they could go much faster while also feeling less dangerous.
Yep I cornered a mountain bike once and woke up on the ground... And I've never heard of this guy. You say he's a trainer huh? I'm having trouble understanding this I always thought that you put your weight on your outside pedal for grip when going around a turn, plus you need to turn up your pedal round turns you don't want to clock your pedal on a rock or get it caught on the ground. You're going to skid out
Once I master how to go straight I'm def going to use the tips in this vid
once i master BiCyClE im going to learn how to bIcYcLe
Mtb goes about 2% of a trail straight, you are more than competent.
😄😆😅😂🤣 Awesome comment! You win the Internetz today, @towknee3837
Cornering is such an organic aspect of biking because there are just so many variables at at play. That "trick" or technique may work when it's damp and grippy, but completely fails in the soft/sandy/loose. Another technique may work when you're going 5mph, but falls apart at 10mph and over. Tires play a role, bike geometry plays a role, your weight plays a role, the trail conditions play a role, speed, etc,. If you find yourself freezing up and overthinking on corners, you're probably watching too much YT (analysis paralysis). Nothing will "double your speed" like time in the saddle (and pushing that envelope further and further).
Very reddit comment, nice 👍
@@perfidiousalbion9975 lmao ya
the best cornering video I've ever seen. And finally someone who tackles the foot position controversy!!
The "When I teach you here, you end up here" honestly gave it so much validity to me I like this coach
I knew he's a bloody good teacher when he said that.
I read this exactly when he said it 😂😂😂
Yes! I’m a baseball coach and I talk about over exaggerating movement and body positioning when doing drills in practice all the time.
Zach Galifianakis never dissapoints...
When will riding Howler come out???????? It was supposed to come out months ago??
Please lol???
Well I’m actually waiting for a pro freeride rider to come ride it with me. Was gonna show me “trying” to ride it and then show him shredding it. Haha. He lives in Canada though so it’s taking a second.
Sick man
Whens the next Hang Over Movie ? Didnt know that he could ride. Cool
Interesting advice on foot positions when cornering. I have been riding mtn bikes for over 30 yrs and have read many articles on different techniques for different situations. In almost all articles in the 90's and early 2000's, the articles would tell you to put the outside foot down and press. The advice presented in your video makes more sense when you think of basic physics and the leverage of a fulcrum. I am definitely going to retrain my brain next time I try flow trails
I learned from a video by Hardtail Party that cornering can be different when driving an 'old school' MTB vs. a modern MTB.
@@yengsabio5315 Yep, I watch/subscribe HT Party also. I rode a 1998 Barracuda XC up until 2018, bought a newer Plus Hardtail and what a difference.
I agree, pressing on the outside forces me to counter steer and I loose momentum. If I roll back half way through I seem to gain momentum like a pump. It’s really dusty here now in Texas and pushing into a flat helps but leaning forward to much causes rear tire wash out. It’s an art to master
@@johnnydoe66 How's the transitioning from old XC Mtb to your new one? Was there cognitive friction of sort?
Thanks in advance!
Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #KeepBiking
@@yengsabio5315 Not really too bad because my current mtb is rather tame as far as its frame geometry goes. I also wasn't riding mtn bikes for nearly two years when I purchased my new ride. I went with a Plus Hardtail and haven't regretted it one bit. I ride tech and natural terrain and don't really care much for the new machine built stuff the newer generation of riders seem to prefer.
Finally another vid…
Well, watching how the puddles of sweat just dried up within 48 hours was so satisfying, I used what I read about the other day. Although it actually took about 72 hours for the my sweating to normalize, I went ahead and go'ogled the latest by Cynthia Yulesin and I don’t have to change clothes 2 times a day.
I thought some of these tips were goofy, until I tried them. I was amazed at how much my cornering improved. Thanks!
I think a lot of guys like to push down on the outside leg bc of motocross. That’s what I do and now I will be trying the even feet. Thanks
Wish we had some sweet corners like this! Our terrain is so steep up here in lacrosse everything is pretty much straight down or straight up. We get sick berms, but they are harder to session.
Good to see another video from you! I actually took a course with Rich Drew not long ago
I spy a Minechaser....lol
put the outside foot down and press is the right technique pros use is all the time i have the chance to train with 1 Adam Rojček when the corner is this flat you need to push the pedal down so your tire gripes the ground more it is basiclly down force like in f1
Hhmm... Would have to disagree on that one. Outside foot down for long flat or off camber turns. Centrifugal force of cornering negates that effect of bike wanting to stand up. Worse still is braking in the corner for standing bike up. But pedals level for berms, pumping or schralps. When ya wanna "steer" with the feet!
I'm gonna agree with you here Ross. Also, when is the last time you cornered your bike with the inside hand OFF the bars??
Yeah....I dont know....counter lean/ balance is what I prefer
So - to get the bike leant over - does one push down a tad with the inner hand? It doesnt just lean over by itself?
Really great tutorial! And I've watched a ton.
Anyone have any thoughts on rotating hips with pedals level?
I've tried it a few times but seems to twist my knee, especially if I'm turning left with right foot back.
Maybe you rotate hips more as your pedal drops?
Reps. You missed repetition. The more reps you get in the better you can become.
now....take those smooth berms and make them washboard with random holes and washed out sections. That's our berms because the trail builders around here don't want to maintain them, or will allow us to fix them. Nothing like coming in hot to a berm only to lose all traction. Great video though! Thanks!
Unbelievable. All these years of pushing that outside foot down. It did initially make me better at cornering. However I feel like I plateaued. And I always have found it very difficult to have bike-body separation with that foot down. But I kept putting that foot down because that is the ‘right way’ to corner.. Can’t wait to get out there and try it with flat feet.
Also pushing the elbows forward a little bit more will probably help me stay forward.
Been riding since the late 80s and this video had to tidbits that have me thinking And excited for my next ride.
You’re always here you need to get lower and push the bike down. But hearing it explained is so much better
I agree with the feet placement controversy... I have taked a few training sessions, and guarantied, every time the coach have the oposite opinion of the last one :)
So have to unlearn to learn again :)
I lost the count of how many times my tires washed out when I corner with my feet leveled, it definitely works much better and faster for me by dropping my outside foot down. Even Aaron Gwin would show that technique in his video.
Hmmm, Aaron Gwin huh? Why would it make sense to listen to one of the best riders in the world? #sarcasm #physics #gravity
I want to thank Louis CK for this helpful mountainbike information.
Yup! Works like a charm. You rock. Thank you for sharing the awesomeness. :)
Great vid! I like that you covered flat pedals versus outside foot down. I've always struggled with this and haven't seen other youtubers cover it as completely as you did.
Awesome lesson. I can't wait to work on this asap!
what happened to howler..?
Great video I think this will help a lot of people out! Cornering is the hardest but most rewarding skill to master. The nuances in technique between slightly bermed corners is something I'm glad you talked about every turn is unique and a different challenge.
this is cutting edge stuff, thank you
Post more often
this helped me way more than you can imagine. thank you. great video, amazing coach.
Your video is so good and top notch quality and teaching.
I've watched at least 20 different cornering videos, this one is for sure one the best cornering vids out there, thanks!
i expected having our elbows so far up and leaning forward like that would look goofy and unnatural but it looks really good and you were flying! this video definitely helps with my confidence 👍
As a newbie in berms I tend to slide out a little sometimes wiping your butt on the berm is a great way to remember to shift my hips out
You missed your calling as a prime time tv reporter. Great narration, with smooth transitions between you and your instructor. Good story telling as well!
OMG this great insight - can't wait get out and practice this.
Galifianakis Is a teacher? Nice video anyway👍
Great vid and interesting thoughts on the flat vs dropped feet. I would find myself regularly in too high of a gear meaning there wouldn’t be enough time to do half a pedal between a couple of opposing corners meaning I’d end up backpedaling a lot. Going to try flat feet and hopefully that will solve the problem.
I tried the tips in this video and it really made a big difference. So much faster on my "local" flow trail. Thanks!
Great video bro. Definitely recognized a ton of things I’m doing wrong. Thanks man
You makes cycling more interesting thank you
Ah ha! Gonna try this today! 😎
Great content! So many how-to videos out there, but this one explains it so well!
Awesome knowledge. Thanks guys.
Where’s the new content!
Here in latvia, we only have 1 mtb park and only have found 2 trails outside of the park.
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Another layer is accelerating through the the corner like a motorcycle aka pedaling. If you have the peddle clearance in the corner accelerating helps a ton for grip and you are gaining speed at the same time.
Zach Galifianakis plays an MTB master!
Thanks for the pointers!
Thanks. This knowledge is gold dust. From a bmx race coach
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Great instruction! I'll also vouch for Bikes Online and Polygon. I bought my wife a Siskiu D7. Nothing else in that $1700 price bracket comes close to the D7's build spec and quality.
Which trail at Bluffview is that?
It's the practice trail at the top.
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super helpful!!! Last night on a group ride I tested the flat cornering technique, and was 100% faster and more confident on flat corners. thanks for the great video!
Thank you man , this Video helped me very much 👍
Great video! I learned several things and will start using these tips tomorrow on the trail.
No way, this video was created out at Bluff View, that is freaking awesome.
I’d be interested to know if this carries over to sharper or narrower corners….
This is super helpful im gonna be able to keep up with my friends now hah
Another reason in my opinion why you keep your pedals level in most corners is because you can't handle as many g forces in a corner with your foot dropped. But this mainly applies to high speed high g force corners
Excellent video. What a coach
Bend at the hips, back straight - helps keep you from body weighting the handlebars. When your back is in a C-shape, like a camel hump (not bent at the waist), it ruins the separation between what your lower body is, from what your upper body is doing, resulting in poor bike control and cornering...you can see in the video that the rider is very bent at the waist, elbows bent and this allows the body to move with the bike instead of reacting to it....
dude! I live near Bluff View Trail !!
Awesome info! Look forward to trying out the new knowlede! Thank you!!!
Great tutorials from Jay.
Level pedal turns are more suitable for manicured bike parks were terrain is predictable and a lot consistent.
6 o'clock pedal turns are more suitable for unmaintained trails/tracks.. were things get unpredictable.
Thank you both so much
I ride motorcycles too and i definitely lean with the whole body (elbow, knee, head) on the track and on the street but i don’t do it that way going downhill on a mountain bike which doesn’t make sense. This video made me more confident to use the same concepts as leaning on a motorcycle.
Gonna go over all my footage from the past few months and see if I've been doing any of this. Ben really improving lately and some of it has just been 2nd nature while something's I've had to learn seem so alien.
Hells yeah. This is an awesome vid. Thank you
Did you ever announce who won the bike?
Jumps for show. Corners for dough
Hi Seth been a while!
Ace vid! I cannot wait to employ all those great cornering tips!
The flat cornering tutorial helped me realized that coming from a playful 27.5 to a 29er that just plows through everything, I really have to lean into it when cornering.
I thought it's just the bike being a tad heavier and the wheels being bigger that I'm having trouble clearing a corner but nope, I just have to adjust my body position more than I'm used to on my 27.5 bike.
Just followed the tips today and shaved 2 minutes of one of my favorite segments. Also noticed I am not out of position like I was when I had to drop pedals. This works!
I just started dh this summer and i feel pretty confident riding berms. Got some good lessons from a 10 year old kid today. Still learned some stuff from this, thanks.
Really nice. You hit on some of the subtleties of cornering that I’ve had questions about. Now I don’t! Well, there’s always questions, but this helped a lot.
Nice, long overdue post, and it happens to be a great skills vid.
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jump for show- corner for dough
Very well explained 👌
Great video. Well put together. Good reminder of things that are easy to forget plus a couple new things like the flat pedals and changing your forward foot to you avoid the saddle in turns
Jay looks like Aaron Gwin.
Thanks for your help! I ride at the trexler national preserve park in Allentown Pennsylvania and we have a bu bunch of those curves
Great coach. Great video. Thanks for posting
This is the BEST cornering video on UA-cam! Thank you guys.
Thank you for this! I have seen other related videos and articles but the way you explained it really clicked for me! I tried it tonight and I can already tell it's going to help a lot!
Love this video! So many things click in the video! Can't wait to try it out and reprogram my cornering habits 👊
Thanks Seth!!! My wife and I worked through this video on our own backyard trails to brush up on fundamentals. The body positioning explanations really helped, as did the drills. You've gotten way smoother and Jay is an amazing coach. 🤟
This is the best how to take corners video ever. Very week explained 🎉
Only spending 10 min on an ordered bike straight out of the box?.... come on, you could have avoided this one...
Excellent video though, lots of good tips. Thanks!
Great tips. However, comparing the time from first ride, with time after 10 laps of practice the same run... Not the best way how to prove the improvement 🤟🤟
Great video I learned a lot
he is not that fast.
Best how-to video on cornering.👍
I paused the video because of the “whether they know it or not…” comment. From my experience as a motorcycle road racing couch, I can tell you, we do not know we are not going fast. It feels fast to us when we are doing it wrong because it feels dangerous. Once I taught proper body position, they could go much faster while also feeling less dangerous.
I agree, he is an excellent coach. Doesn't make him the best rider. Most pro riders/expert riders don't make good coaches. Great vid overall
Great Tutorial!
Yep I cornered a mountain bike once and woke up on the ground...
And I've never heard of this guy. You say he's a trainer huh?
I'm having trouble understanding this I always thought that you put your weight on your outside pedal for grip when going around a turn, plus you need to turn up your pedal round turns you don't want to clock your pedal on a rock or get it caught on the ground. You're going to skid out