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I’m a console player, and you have no idea how close my patience is to running out, I pre ordered this damn game in September of 2023, and I’m still waiting
speaking to the animosity, I think things improved markedly when Paradox took direct control over communication. taking the keyboard away from Mariina and instead having professionals handle the PR instantly changed the messaging for the better. heck, we even finally got an apology. humble communication mixed with continuous improvements will right the ship eventually. if only the game hadn't shipped in 2023, sigh, what an avoidable disaster that was
I gotta be honest. I like Cities skylines. Its even made by Finland my Home Country, but its not something thats 100 % enjoyable for me. I liked Sim City 2013. I grew up with it. Even though it was the worst of the Sim City series I still got many enjoyable memories from playing the game. They had similar issues with the game at the start. But atleast paradox was able to do something by themselves to keep the game up. In the times right about now for cities 2 in 2014 Sim City was falling. EA took control of the game and Im not sure what happened, but I think they just gave up. I would like a continuation to the Simcity series as its more popular for me than cities skylines. Still I appreciate paradox dealing with the developers problems and taking matters into their own hads.
@@phantom_dragon Well, this isn't EA. With that being said, we really need to stop this notion of paying full price for unfinished buggy games. We're paying for a product that is supposed to be as advertised.
On my midrange Pc it runs well, it did a on launch. My theory is that people who typically play this game are playing it on laptops or something, strategy games are typically light graphically and heavy processor wise, and I think that that means people who play these games typically hold onto their older systems for longer. As a result, a game like CS causes outrage despite the fact that it runs perfectly fine.
The performance issues is a pretty big dealbreaker. Especially if you consider the fact that people can just go an play Cities Skylines 1, which already has plenty of DLCs worth of content. It's a shame, because i really want them to get Cities Skylines 2 right.
I'm disappointed more than anything else as I had high expectations and hopes for the game, but the performance issue is what's keeping me away from it. I have a decent mid-range system and I will be upgrading it some in the near future (new video card, more RAM) but as it stands now I'm loathe to buy it even after I upgrade my system only to find that it doesn't run or it runs very poorly. I was expecting much better from Colossal Order and feel very let down by them.
@@JoeSmith-mx1sr Not just that, but it’s not very enjoyable to play the game knowing that it’s only going to get worse the bigger your city gets. I really hope they manage to fix the game and get it on right track though.
@@GamesCooky I hope they fix it too. I really wanted to like this game, but I can't play it so I'm going to stick with my modded City Skylines 1 until then
I just started playing CS2 again about a week ago... and I'm having a LOT of fun. I still can't quite make a city as pretty as I want... and it's hard making good rural areas.... but I'm LOVING the challenge. It's never too difficult, but I feel like there's always a new problem to solve, and I have real fun bouncing between em all.
No. The answer is no and if someone thinks otherwise they are delusional. This remains a bare-bones early access title with numerous bugs and issues. It’s disgraceful that 9 months in the game still isn’t in a state that would be acceptable for release much less almost a year after launch. CO and Paradox are awful companies and don’t deserve any benefit or praise whatsoever because of how they acted for the first 6 months
My computer has a hard time with CS1 (on 500 000 people cities, realistic poulation mod used) so, I expect my computer to be unable to play CS2 well. I think that explains partly why people keep playing CS1.
Talking about the visuals, there are still two glaring issues: horrible antialiasing and shadows. The game would look SOOOO much better if they would fix this!
I tried it again last week and I really really enjoyed it. Economy 2.0 made the game challenging until about 40K population where I was making INSANE profit. It was extremely satisfying going from not being able to afford parks to not even thinking whilst placing down $3.2 million buildings. But now I’m at 90K population the performance is absolute dog water. I’m hitting a consistent 15-20 fps and it will soon be unplayed. If they fix performance and add asset support the game will be goated.
What was your profits at 40K population? Mine is just 8 million at 100K population so I just want to compare how high I can get, with the least amount of population.
As one who's had the game from its disastrous launch state and being a core fan of the original with 1,000+ hours clocked in, yes, it could've released in much better state, but after the whole ordeal with the lackluster DLC being made free alongside a public apology, it seems the game is now steering towards the right direction. Much needed revamps with the Economy 2.0 patch alongside QoL changes from the unannounced detailer's patch are steering the game towards a better future, and I'm all in for it; content creators are helping list issues and missing features from the game, and the developers appear to be listening, which is a very good sign. Not to mention, the impressive modding community that will build upon this foundation much like its predecessor 8 years on. While a lot is still to be desired, I am fairly confident they will be able to polish this into a fine gem despite its questionable launch at best. And, of course, the modding community's got its back, too.
Everything you mentioned plus the addition of three more content creator packs and three more radio stations added to the ultimate edition lead me to purchase it during the steam summer sale. Barring any new substantial hurdles there will be a LOT of content in the game a year from now.
@@benhoffman8264 Exactly. And there have been notable improvements in performance as well ever since the addition of DLSS tech among other optimisation. Yes, there is still room for improvement such as the parks, schools, and all feeling "dead" (no people playing, going in/out unlike in C:SL1) + the lack of bikes and bike lanes, but I'm sure they will be added as a free patch after a good while. Economy 2.0 made me play the game more, with my main city reaching 250k pop. It definitely added more much needed challenge and focused on the management aspect of the game, rather than what most dub the game as-a city painter. Once again, I'm very optimistic for the future of this game, and it would very much be like its predecessor in the modding scene once official custom asset support is added. It has went on sale for certain times during which I would recommend to pick up the game for cheaper.
@@AeroKitsavvy It's exciting that the game is fun now and will only get better. I'm very optimistic as well. The one thing I don't really like the tile upkeep fee being so high because I am struggling to build a rural mountain community with low residential not generating enough tax revenue to expand but I love that it's more challenging now.
@@benhoffman8264 they also made the right choice to make the (rather lackluster) DLC free alongside postponing further DLC releases and the console release to polish the game further. They cannot afford to make another blunder again at the cost of their reputation.
@@AeroKitsavvy what really interests me is that they advertised the free Region packs as have "2500+ Creations" which sounds like a TON after the beach properties had something like 30 assets. I'm not really sure what "creations" really means. They must be introducing props to get to such a high number.
It’s hard to avoid performance issues when they decided that every single resident in a city was going to be an independent agent. It’s an insane design philosophy which also doesn’t really add anything to the game. With that being said, a lot of us said before the game even come out that “this game will be great in 2 years, thanks for bug fixes and mods”. I still fully believe that to be true. It’s a shame that they’re selling beta versions at full price, but that’s pretty much the standard for the games industry today and not unique to CO.
@@KrispyNuggetBoutique they totally expected this. since the beginning of time sim city type games have always been extremely intensive on hardware. Back before games got so detailed, they did many things to make the game appear to be tracking every cim while actually not so they could keep the performance up to par. when they advertised this game with so many "tracking" features that give each and every cim a unique life I was wondering how this was all balanced and able to work on a mid range processor. but to say this does not add anything to the game may be true for you, but many people will find that a big turn off if they learn that everything the cims are doing is mostly a facade.
@@BeachLookingGuy I mean, those people have been happy in every other game ever made, so I'm sure they would have coped. That being said, once CO actually announced it, then yeah, they were kinda stuck with the expectations that comes with that.
Recently, I’ve felt cheated by these bigger game studios promising so much and falling short of it by a large margin. I want to be excited for this game, but I just feel like I was lied to. Performance is a big deal for me and I just can’t excuse that unfortunately.
The deployment team can add all the fun cool things, make some things free but until performance issue is not tackled it will be hard for many to come and play.. Not everyone has the budget of a high end PC.. THE PERFORMANCE SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING THEY NEED TO TACKLE AND BRING IT UNDER CONTROL.
But in the next 10 years, - in which this game will be the current, and most likely premiere city builder, unless another player comes out of left field - nearly everyone is going to replace their PC or laptop at some point. Today's high end PC is the budget PC two years from now, with the exception of the highest end flagship GPUs (like the 3080 Super)
Its way better than launch, actually "playable". However yeh it needs more time in the oven to go from being good to great. Id say another 6months to a year and we will have the game it should have been at launch. I think the biggest oversight was going from cs1 full of assets etc to cs2 with basically nothing. I know it was more than cs1 at launch but this is not cs1 at launch its cs2! Cs1s predecessor. It should have been cs1 and better, what we got was a better looking game with better tools but not alot to do with those things. I truely believe cs2 will be great one day and right now its in a great spot jst not quite there.
Bought a renewed 3070 for $300, got a 2k monitor, play the game at 2k resolution. I've got a full map city with roughly 40k population. Runs 50 fps to 30 fps in the urban areas on x3 speed. I feel like the game's obviously gonna lag when you spam the max density buildings when each one houses a thousand cims lol. I'm playing with most of the most popular mods at the moment and gotten roughly 60 hours in the current city. Game hasn't crashed once. For me what I desperately need most of all is custom assets right now. More mixed use wall to wall buildings would be godsend.
GPU isnt the only limiting factor. Have similar GPU + Monitor setup for this game. The closer you get to CPU related population cap ( 300K in my case if I remember right) the worse fps will get. Was still playable for me with 20-30 fps at population cap, but I have good CPU.
@@Qwertyuiop4409 No crap why are you pushing towards 300k population anyway 😂😂. What we need is the RICO mod so we can reduce the households within the high density buildings so we can still use them without making the game unplayable.
@@JaCrispy3060 I wanted to know population cap for my computer and how bad or well fps was at that population. FPS turned out to be ok, unlike gameplay that forced me to abandone game alltogether.
There are still a lot of bugs (actually to the point where the game is barely playable) and performance is still nowhere near good enough (which is probably why they had to delay the console release "indefinitely"). That said, Economy 2.0 and the detailers patch were a big step in the right direction. If they keep adding to the game and step up their QA (they can't keep releasing patches that introduce so many new bugs), I think the game will be pretty decent by 2025.
I’ll start playing again when Paradox Mods is in better shape with custom assets as well plus when we see bicycles in the game (I assume they’ll add them in some transit dlc with trolleybuses, monorails and blimps etc). I never got to the point of 100k+ population so performance isn’t that much of an issue for me personally. The potential is there but it’s just that.
It's just par for the course now that any new game needs 2-3 years after release to be reasonably complete and bug free. 1. Hype up the game with marketing. Collect pre-order revenue. 2. Release a minimal viable product to collect day-1 revenue. 3. Issue a heartfelt apology about "regrets, lessons learned, and vows to do better". 4. Drip feed DLC for the next half decade to fund the continued development. 5. Rinse and repeat after time and your token show of making amends has wiped the memories of your customers.
With all its development problems and the fact that it's really still in Early Access, the price is way too high, especially because we know there will be hundreds of dollars of DLC in the future.
I loved cities 1 and I still do today. I really want to pick up cities 2 but I’ve seen all the reviews and stuff about it. But really the only thing that’s holding me back from it is the performance issues. My system isn’t very that up to date but it can run most games well. I really want to buy cities 2 but I think I’ll just wait for paradox to fix the performance and stability issues, also maybe after a price drop on it.
By far the biggest thing I hate about this game is how when I hover anything, it outlines every line in the 3D model. I don't know why, but it makes everything feel almost too technical, mechanical, and like I need to interact with and be aware of thousands of things at once. It creates chaos in my brain and it's just too much.
I'll for sure check it out in a few weeks via the game pass and then see if it is playable. I personally feel like I can't go pack to cities 1, it just feels so clunky in comparison and adding hundreds of mods usually causes me to not even get the game to start anymore.
Same, I keep going to fire up CS1 again to get a game that works, then I remember the way that people walk too fast and everything looks a bit too goofy (Donut vans etc) amd I just don't want to run 50+ mods anymore.
I agree, I can see CSII becoming an excellent game but at the end it’s really up to the devs and how much effort they put in and don’t get me wrong they are doing heaps but what ever they do for the next couple of years is either going to bring it back to life or kill it.
The economy still sucks. You can't real islands without road connections well as then they lack cars. Also the companies magically do well there even if nobody brings them goods or there is no customers. It's still just a sand castle builder not a city simulator... And I guess the production chain and logistics still act weirdly just on the main land too if you try to move goods on trains ect.
I use your videos as a marker for when i'll actually fire up the game again. I bought it on pre-order before launch, not holding any hopes until 2025 for us to build big cities with custom assets and good detailing mechanics without having to abandon cities at 100k population.
If they even dream of releasing this on console they are going to need to more than double the performance. The main reason to play this over cities 1 was that you could finally build larger cities but this is not the case with the current performance. The recent econ patch has helped a lot but created its own issues with no trucks spawning etc. There is still a lot of issues to work out. Although we are in a much better place than we were at release given the current pace of updates since release it is easy to see the game still being at least a year out from the state it should have released in. Many major bugs still remain since launch, seeing things like the detail patch and also the school assets does really help spread some good faith in the community while the devs take the time to get this game in the state it should have been on release.
I haven't been able to slide back in yet. I want to, I put hundreds upon hundreds of hours in Cities 1 but I frankly don't see a point until the asset importer is at least at public beta phase. I had a couple thousand assets downloaded on the first game, the added buildings in the detailer patch are a good first step but are 8 months late and not nearly enough compared to the volume of what we had in the first game by this point. While I don't think we'll hit quite the level of content we were hoping for at the first year mark, there is a lot of potential under the hood. I'm following the larger map size mod and the buildable area it's showing is going to be a huge upgrade to even modded CS1. Combine that with community performance updates like we got in the CS1 and the flood of assets we'll get once the importer is working and maybe by this time 2025 we'll have the game we were sold on.
Yours is a fair very summary of where things are ATM. I've had the game since day one and continue to play it. My system is a 14700K, 64G DDR5 4070Ti - so decent enough. The marketing suggested that huge cities would be possible and my expectation was to massively exceed the population of CS1 (with about 40,000gaminghours in total). In reality, a 300K city (which was less than my 400K+ cities in CS1 with a PC six years older) becomes a pseudo crawl and rather boring. EC2 has improved game play. I converted my 300K city to EC2 quite easily but had to mod it to avoid the homeless bonanza and the 5/5 office bug. Death wave over and there really was little cognitive requirement on me to make the city successful. I decided to start again and, like with my previous city, it isn't difficult, at all, to make money and now, with a 35K population, profits are stupidly high and I am getting bored, again. Rather sad really. I will continue to play - it provides some relaxation. The biggest stress of the game is the insane amount of power that the PC consumes in order to run the game in such a poorly unoptimised fashion. I can cope with that in the summer months as our PV generates a load of extra power which would otherwise be returned to the grid. In the winter months it's a different matter, as it irks me to have to buy an insane amount of electricity to drive this poorly optimised game. I doubt if this game will become successful on console. I hope it does but feel that a huge amount of work needs to be done to make it capable on that platform and wonder about the ROI. If the developers ever go there, I hope to see the gains leveraged on the PC platform too - that would give me some future hope.
I am wondering if the performance can really be fixed to an extend where we can build huge cities and still have the game run. We are still playing the base game. They still plan to release a lot of DLCs and then at one point the workshop content. How should this all work out if we all have stability problems with cities at 100 k inhabitants. The performance would have to improve big time. I'm a bit of a pessimist here. I think that the problems lie so deep in the core of the game programming that I can't imagine that it will ever live up to what was promised to us.
Why would anybody play CSK2? You can do so much more and have what you want in CSK1. The same building, with no variation in the 4 trees, 3 homes, etc. Pass. I own CSK2; I don't play it.
The game is going great, but considering it's not a live service type of game, the development rate is slower than what it needs to be. Too many kinks and bumps on systems that should have really been refined even before the game hit the steam store. My main gripe with the game is the current grid based plot system that just feels outdated... after playing manor lords I feel like the system they use there is the future for city builder games, it feels much more natural and dynamic with little user input. Also why don't we have a "road edit" tool? I'm sick and tired of messing around with elevated highways for 20 minutes just to move my camera and realize it looks like trash and have to re draw it again (thank god for MoveIt)
I've sunk 80 hours into SC2 since the update, but only 40 hours in the entire time prior to the update. I'd say that pretty solidly shows its improved. The only thing I want now is Asset modding support. I need better suburbs.
They need to hire some Google engineers or something to code up a good sim engine. It looks like they just loop through every citizen and update their position and state every frame, I'm sure there are clever ways of doing this where they could probably simulate tens of millions of agents without lag.
Well, I'm having fun playing it and look forward to playing more. I honestly really enjoyed the economy 2.0, though the grind is temporary; at 30k population on a vanilla map, money is no longer a problem. I'm worried what will happen when population crosses 100k, as my computer might not handle that.
It’s missing realism from the first game, like seeing firemen put out fires, and more. I have both games and still play the first one more until it’s all patched in.
yeah my 260k pop is so fun at 15 fps on 1x speed with 3x speed being the same exact as the 1x speed. so my 260k pop has been 260k for hours now, the same amount it took me to get to 260k pop, 12 hours playing reaching to 260k and 12 hours staying at 200k! yay! I've only bought around 30 tiles out of hundreds and my plan was to fill out the whole map and make nyc, but hey! it's like an actual city, it's going to take centuries to reach a million population! got to hand it to paradox, real and true to simulation! I love idly sitting and watching my city grow at +2.5k/hr population in real time hours because if i start moving I lag ha!
apart from performance issues, i did not like how every motorcycle is the same model, assets and building models are just too repetitive, cims do not interact with props. Also i can create a far better looking city in CS1 with custom buildings thanks to Procedural objects mod. This game needs atleast 5 more years of development, assets and mods to become a worthy replacement for CS1.
Update on Economy 2.0 really make this game much more enjoyable. I finally used the special zone to create unique industry compared to before. It is really struggle to find the balance but this made used so much more function in the game such as loan and policies which I rarely touch before.
I just can’t handle traffic behaviour in the game to be honest. It still works terribly and detracts from the experience (for me). What’s more, is the game just despawns everyone once they’ve been sat in traffic long enough and nothing matters.
For me right now, it’s not even the performance issues that are my deal breaker. I always loved the customizability that came with Cities 1, much of which simply doesn’t exist anymore. Like, the more absurd mod platforms are one thing, but when I want to make a city at a very personal level and can’t even freely change the road designations, that’s what does it for me
I feel like there's a ton of potential here, but it's still about a year off from being equivalent to Cities. Like maybe 2 or 3 expansions away. Probably will wait for a sale to pick it up and really enjoy it.
I played the game after the reason updates, but i didn't enjoy the game. New assets, but growables is still the same few assets, making it bland. Traffic is still a disaster. The tax system based on education is stupid as always. Roads filled with parked cars, do i really need 20 carparks in a town below 1000 inhabitants? Lack of traffic controls, such as pedestrians overpass over big roads, no cycling. Taxing tiles is stupid if you are supposed to be some kind major. The game has improved, but fundamentals is still unfinished. At what about parks, when do i get to make a pretty city?
Thanks for the videos, but when you talked about performance issues on you personnel computer what resolution was that set on 1080p ,1440p or 4k? on your RTX 4090.
Does it leave alot to be desired still: yes Does it run well: i would agrue kinda But are the devs actively trying to fix and improve on this game: oh absolutely With the devs apologizing and 9 months worth of updates and patches, ill say its good... it not the game we were hoping for right now, but its at least in a decent spot. we got a long while until its the game we saw at launch but slowly but surely its geting there.
ut are the devs actively trying to fix and improve on this game: oh absolutely. If they where it would have been fixed in a few months and never released as total garbage.
not to this exstent in such numbers, stop shilling. I hear the same from helldivers simps. helldivers lost over 200K players in just 6 months that is not normal that is an objective failure at every single level. Citys skylines 2 is exactly the same. it lost almost 100K players in 6 months. It is an abject failure. Not normal.
No. Just... no. Its silly to compare games in that way, because different companies have different goals for their games post-launch. A game with zero planned DLC/expansions or significant updates, for example (which up until recently has been the norm for games), should be treated differently than a game that the company plans to keep updated and use as a base for DLC. The drop in player count is massively important to one, not so for the other. A company, such as Larian, that makes a game like Baldur's Gate 3 and aims to make profit through a single transaction doesn't need to care about retaining players - as long as people buy the game, that's enough. They never planned to release any DLC and thus, would see no more profit from retaining players. Games such as Cities Skylines 2 need to retain as many players as possible, more so than other games, because they plan to make more money through DLC. This is how companies such as Paradox and Bethesda do things - release a game, make money, release DLC, make more money. That DLC only sells if people are still playing their game. That means retaining players is far more important to them, and their failure to do so cannot simply be disregarded. Its why Bethesda put so much emphasis on wanting players to be playing Starfield 10 years from now - because retaining players for 10 years means a lot of sold DLC and paid mods. As such, you can't just compare games like Cities Skylines 2 and Starfield, games that want to retain players, to games that do not try at all to retain players.
As someone who’s never plays Cities Skylines before, should I buy the Cities 1 or 2? I have a very high end PC (7800x3D CPU) so performance won’t be an issue for me. I could patiently wait out the mod support as I would probably play pretty casually. I’m not a CS 1 veteran that has or needs a massive amount of content (as long as CS2 eventually gets lots of mods/content)
What kills it for me is all the game breaking bugs. Say people that can't even play, or people that experience the game crashing to desktop at random intervals for seemingly no reason with no error message. Or for instance the homeless bug, where citizens are stuck in a limbo state, thousands of them, not seeking a new home, but hindering residential demand. Or the fact that public transport is bugged, where say "40 000 citizens use the bus", but 38 000 actually dont, they actually use their cars. or the taxi bug, where you connect a new highway, and outside taxis (not your own) comes not in the thousands, but millions, and starts hindering traffic. The fact that at this point in the game, there is no crime what so ever. Tourism doesn't work, and commercial districts don't make hotels no matter what. And after you hit somewhere between 80-150k, the game stops demanding new residentials, and instead the population declines over the years, until your city dies out eventually. Yeah the game is great if you are planning on playing it for a very few hours, or only develop your city to say 50k population. But if you put 15-20 hours into a save, just to have it be broken and unplayable, well, a lot of us CS1 fans are left with a bitter taste in our mouth. Most of us really dont give a flying F about content. The base game has a great foundation as it is. What most of us want, is a game that is playable for hours upon hours without breaking. If they'd be able to deliver that, I'd reckon the reviews would land in the 80% positive side, instead of only 53% as it stands today.
Good enough to be worth playing, but there are still issues to be dealt with, including the homeless bug and broken tourism. Game needs custom assets, bored with the lack of tree and building variety.
I dont mind the low fps, but the game speed slows to an absolute crawl after 100k population. They need to let people change the simulation limit to fit their specs
one of the biggest issues with cs2 its that is not cs1, without that comparison cs2 its a reslly good city builder, i know it has clear issues but the devs and the game seems to be going on the right way.
my whole response to the first chapter of problems is: first paradox sequel? lol, if you've played any of the map painters, this is a very familiar tale by now. I don't think CK3 has had a single DLC/patch release at this point except for the very first one (and maybe even that one) which has been received very positively. they all introduce at least one major mechanic that nobody likes, or at least nobody likes the implementation of. it's frustrating and rough, but i can't say it surprises me coming from paradox
thank you for your integrity regarding the state of performance within CS2. i’ve asked other channels if it’s fixed, only to meet straight out denial that the problem even existed.
my game enters slideshow mode as soon as i press play, no buildings, no nothing, and i dont have a potato pc, its not good but its also not bad, lastyears i5, 16gb of ram and a gtx 1660 TI, and i play with graphics on medium so i dont think it should be this bad.
I really think it's too little too late at this point. Many of the modders that kept the original alive have simply moved on to greener pastures. We still don't have assets almost a year later with no ETA on adding them. I honestly don't know if I'll ever return to the game at this point.
My animosity dropped off when I gave up and uninstalled after the first month, and just accepted that the game won't be playable for another year (or longer if I have to wait till I can buy a modern supercomputer). I occasionally watch your update videos but otherwise try not to think about the game until it's fully baked.
the verdict is they took CS1 and made it run worse, with less content, then charged top dollar, and then will charge for all the future mods as a extra flipoff before completely handing it over to community modders that will be charged commission on their work.
I tried playing again for the first time since it came out. Got a good one day of building, now the game crashes on launch every time I open it. I have a 7800x3d and a 4090.
A little generous I'd say. To me the game has barely changed in 9 months, still can't be played at 4k even on my high end pc, crashes more than ever and the economy changes superficial. This is not the game sold to us and is still disappointing. I'm sure they will keep trying.
I honestly think that even though the devs may have the best intentions they just don't have the money nor skills to make CS2 as the game they promise. I think (big) city sims are the most complicated games to develop and the heaviest games for a pc.
The lack of traffic controls in the game is the true crime. And the economy 2.0 really didn’t fix anything it just made everything a lot more expensive. The the detailers patch that was released is a giant W, and if they keep releasing things like that eventually, it’ll be good
The only thing holding me back from re-buying this game is the performance. If they would put out 1 good performance patch I would jump back in. I have a fairly top end computer but I'm very susceptible to getting dizzy from frame rate fluctuations. If I could run a large city at a stable 30 frames that would be good enough but it looks like we arnt there quite yet
Same for me with a RTX 2080 Ti at 100k - no matter witch settings i use. it seems to be a break-point. I realy would like to play again.... but when even you with a 4090 have the same issue, I think it makes no sense.
Att 100.000 popularion start having problems... Everithing ok before but passes the threshold it starts loosing pop 300 per hour.... Traffik still nightmare with drivers doing idiotic stuff
For preformance i own a 13700k (hyperthreadding off 5.5p 4.4e) and after 250k population if u have despawning set to deadlocks only and the traffic reduction to 0 then u will see the game slow down so much and will eventually lead to it stutterstepping where it is like fast then stop then fast then stop repeat. Also the modding situation can be sloppy and u still need programs like skyve which really shouldnt be needed.... Assets should be their next pirority and finally would be preformance. Add asset editor so game has inf free content from community and fix preformance and the community will award and be able to self support itself
I’m still waiting for a compelling reason to buy this game. This video leaves me with the impression that SC2 is still a work in progress that was rushed to release long before it was actually ready for prime time. No mods?! No bikes?! Still just building the same car-centric cities over and over? Nice try, but I’ll stick with Urbek City Builder and SimCity 3k for now. Maybe by the time Civ7 comes out this one will be up to par 🤷♂️
I'm still waiting for performance of >10fps on my 2080, with a somewhat bigger city. For me the fun is optimizing traffic flow, and there is just too little cars and too little fps.
My experience is that the game still lags at 4K and looks worse than 10 year old games on full hd. And on top of that the simulation speed is still terrible. Great update, but I still run into same problems as before and can't progress.
I love the game now. My number one issutis the crashing every 30-40 minutes. Every time i have to restart my PC to be able to start it again. Huge pain. Otherwise its a lot of fun now
Honestly the thing that’s makes me mad the most is that I am someone who likes doing almost only grid but if you grid for enough the “grid” gets screwed up. And it’s like why why is this even a problem even if you make sure your snapping to what seems to be the correct spot but I have found that the game thinks there is two centers on roads very very close to each other for some reason And no nearly as annoying but I want my dang mono rails Edit: two things one it doesn’t seem to be a difference in high end and low end I run cities skylines 2 on a laptop I have no issues but once’s I get 100k people get noticeable lag 2 I actually had better frame rate before the “performance update” had a city with 200k no problem > performance update > getting whole 15 frames at one speed and not moving or looking at the city. What’s with that?
Anybody else experiencing consistently high deathrates in economy 2.0? I started a new map after the update and the deathrate is consistently higher than the birthrate, which leads to loads of new people moving to the city at all times…
@@matthewparker9276 No pollution whatsoever in residential areas and healthcare coverage’s fine too. Also got all medical buildings apart from the medical university in my city…
@@matthewparker9276 Water supply is clean too. Been seeing something about a bug causing many homeless people and high death rates… Could be due to that.
Simulation speed with high population is my main problem 11900k and it start bad at 350k, i reached 880k people in some way, but it was terrible at 0.2
2:25 - Were those cars REMOVED from traffic??? Like god un-made them??? WTH is going on?!? I hate this kind of cutbacks!! This is the main reason why I don't play SimCity4 to this date...
Really? I'm starting to get lag at about 500K with a 6 year old computer. (i9-9900, 64gb ddr 4 3200mhz) and a somewhat newer graphics card a rtx 3070. You got something in your settings really wrong if you are getting lag at 150K
I bought the game and I can say after learning the tutorials, it's really fun now especially since I got the game after the Economy 2.0 patch which everyone said was a game-changer, I held off buying the game till' there was SOMEWHAT an improvement. I can see why people complain about the performance.. My city is still small and I'm a little nervous to reach those big numbers. Plus, the regions packs.. They look really cool, I want my U.K assets already 😭-but yeah, they should fix performance as people say
You're not telling us anything. What i9? What kind of RAM? Is it DDR5? What clockspeed? And you're playing on a laptop. Your hardware is worse and you're probably getting thermal throttling. Gaming laptops have never been good for demanding games.
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CS2 still blows
Thanks for using the description AND the top comments section to advertise a game nobody wanted in this video. You're kind of a money hungry asshole.
@@gavinpowell4607 : Blame Bidet for that. ECON is destroyed.
@@gavinpowell4607 : Yeah, don't know if it's him or YT but on other accounts I can't see your comment or mine...
I’m a console player, and you have no idea how close my patience is to running out, I pre ordered this damn game in September of 2023, and I’m still waiting
speaking to the animosity, I think things improved markedly when Paradox took direct control over communication. taking the keyboard away from Mariina and instead having professionals handle the PR instantly changed the messaging for the better. heck, we even finally got an apology. humble communication mixed with continuous improvements will right the ship eventually. if only the game hadn't shipped in 2023, sigh, what an avoidable disaster that was
I gotta be honest. I like Cities skylines. Its even made by Finland my Home Country, but its not something thats 100 % enjoyable for me. I liked Sim City 2013. I grew up with it. Even though it was the worst of the Sim City series I still got many enjoyable memories from playing the game. They had similar issues with the game at the start. But atleast paradox was able to do something by themselves to keep the game up. In the times right about now for cities 2 in 2014 Sim City was falling. EA took control of the game and Im not sure what happened, but I think they just gave up. I would like a continuation to the Simcity series as its more popular for me than cities skylines. Still I appreciate paradox dealing with the developers problems and taking matters into their own hads.
@@phantom_dragon Well, this isn't EA. With that being said, we really need to stop this notion of paying full price for unfinished buggy games. We're paying for a product that is supposed to be as advertised.
@@phantom_dragon It's not early access though.
Paradoxs strategy is after 10 years hardware will be powerful enough to play cs2
And that's when I would buy it!
They can't outsmart me ;-)
Literally what the developer stated as their intention at one point.
And only then I will purchase it again 😂
@@eternalmonsoon8103 if they just had competition it probably would be better
On my midrange Pc it runs well, it did a on launch. My theory is that people who typically play this game are playing it on laptops or something, strategy games are typically light graphically and heavy processor wise, and I think that that means people who play these games typically hold onto their older systems for longer. As a result, a game like CS causes outrage despite the fact that it runs perfectly fine.
The performance issues is a pretty big dealbreaker. Especially if you consider the fact that people can just go an play Cities Skylines 1, which already has plenty of DLCs worth of content.
It's a shame, because i really want them to get Cities Skylines 2 right.
I'm disappointed more than anything else as I had high expectations and hopes for the game, but the performance issue is what's keeping me away from it. I have a decent mid-range system and I will be upgrading it some in the near future (new video card, more RAM) but as it stands now I'm loathe to buy it even after I upgrade my system only to find that it doesn't run or it runs very poorly. I was expecting much better from Colossal Order and feel very let down by them.
@@JoeSmith-mx1sr Not just that, but it’s not very enjoyable to play the game knowing that it’s only going to get worse the bigger your city gets.
I really hope they manage to fix the game and get it on right track though.
@@GamesCooky I hope they fix it too. I really wanted to like this game, but I can't play it so I'm going to stick with my modded City Skylines 1 until then
I’ve been getting better CS2 performance than CS1 performance on my 2022 MacBook Air FWIW
Its not like CS1 runs well once you get to a large city. And with mods you need a ton of extra ram to run all the mods.
Console update translation: *”Our game runs so ass, that it’s nearly impossible for us to release a console edition”*
I just started playing CS2 again about a week ago... and I'm having a LOT of fun. I still can't quite make a city as pretty as I want... and it's hard making good rural areas.... but I'm LOVING the challenge. It's never too difficult, but I feel like there's always a new problem to solve, and I have real fun bouncing between em all.
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what does Counter Strike 2 have anything to do with this video?
@@ElseAndrecool cities skylines 2 = CS2?
No. The answer is no and if someone thinks otherwise they are delusional. This remains a bare-bones early access title with numerous bugs and issues. It’s disgraceful that 9 months in the game still isn’t in a state that would be acceptable for release much less almost a year after launch.
CO and Paradox are awful companies and don’t deserve any benefit or praise whatsoever because of how they acted for the first 6 months
My computer has a hard time with CS1 (on 500 000 people cities, realistic poulation mod used) so, I expect my computer to be unable to play CS2 well. I think that explains partly why people keep playing CS1.
what is your pc specs bro?
CS2 Runs almost better on mine than CS1.
Some issues of course like Flickering in Bushes or fences
Talking about the visuals, there are still two glaring issues: horrible antialiasing and shadows. The game would look SOOOO much better if they would fix this!
yeah the shadows look really glitchy
I tried it again last week and I really really enjoyed it. Economy 2.0 made the game challenging until about 40K population where I was making INSANE profit. It was extremely satisfying going from not being able to afford parks to not even thinking whilst placing down $3.2 million buildings. But now I’m at 90K population the performance is absolute dog water. I’m hitting a consistent 15-20 fps and it will soon be unplayed. If they fix performance and add asset support the game will be goated.
What was your profits at 40K population? Mine is just 8 million at 100K population so I just want to compare how high I can get, with the least amount of population.
As one who's had the game from its disastrous launch state and being a core fan of the original with 1,000+ hours clocked in, yes, it could've released in much better state, but after the whole ordeal with the lackluster DLC being made free alongside a public apology, it seems the game is now steering towards the right direction.
Much needed revamps with the Economy 2.0 patch alongside QoL changes from the unannounced detailer's patch are steering the game towards a better future, and I'm all in for it; content creators are helping list issues and missing features from the game, and the developers appear to be listening, which is a very good sign. Not to mention, the impressive modding community that will build upon this foundation much like its predecessor 8 years on.
While a lot is still to be desired, I am fairly confident they will be able to polish this into a fine gem despite its questionable launch at best. And, of course, the modding community's got its back, too.
Everything you mentioned plus the addition of three more content creator packs and three more radio stations added to the ultimate edition lead me to purchase it during the steam summer sale. Barring any new substantial hurdles there will be a LOT of content in the game a year from now.
@@benhoffman8264 Exactly. And there have been notable improvements in performance as well ever since the addition of DLSS tech among other optimisation. Yes, there is still room for improvement such as the parks, schools, and all feeling "dead" (no people playing, going in/out unlike in C:SL1) + the lack of bikes and bike lanes, but I'm sure they will be added as a free patch after a good while.
Economy 2.0 made me play the game more, with my main city reaching 250k pop. It definitely added more much needed challenge and focused on the management aspect of the game, rather than what most dub the game as-a city painter.
Once again, I'm very optimistic for the future of this game, and it would very much be like its predecessor in the modding scene once official custom asset support is added. It has went on sale for certain times during which I would recommend to pick up the game for cheaper.
@@AeroKitsavvy It's exciting that the game is fun now and will only get better. I'm very optimistic as well. The one thing I don't really like the tile upkeep fee being so high because I am struggling to build a rural mountain community with low residential not generating enough tax revenue to expand but I love that it's more challenging now.
@@benhoffman8264 they also made the right choice to make the (rather lackluster) DLC free alongside postponing further DLC releases and the console release to polish the game further. They cannot afford to make another blunder again at the cost of their reputation.
@@AeroKitsavvy what really interests me is that they advertised the free Region packs as have "2500+ Creations" which sounds like a TON after the beach properties had something like 30 assets. I'm not really sure what "creations" really means. They must be introducing props to get to such a high number.
It’s hard to avoid performance issues when they decided that every single resident in a city was going to be an independent agent. It’s an insane design philosophy which also doesn’t really add anything to the game. With that being said, a lot of us said before the game even come out that “this game will be great in 2 years, thanks for bug fixes and mods”. I still fully believe that to be true. It’s a shame that they’re selling beta versions at full price, but that’s pretty much the standard for the games industry today and not unique to CO.
What? That's been the core philosophy of the top city builder since SimCity 2013
@@Distress. This is literally the first game in history that has done it - so no it hasn’t. I think you don’t quite understand what I wrote.
@@KrispyNuggetBoutique they totally expected this. since the beginning of time sim city type games have always been extremely intensive on hardware. Back before games got so detailed, they did many things to make the game appear to be tracking every cim while actually not so they could keep the performance up to par.
when they advertised this game with so many "tracking" features that give each and every cim a unique life I was wondering how this was all balanced and able to work on a mid range processor.
but to say this does not add anything to the game may be true for you, but many people will find that a big turn off if they learn that everything the cims are doing is mostly a facade.
@@BeachLookingGuy I mean, those people have been happy in every other game ever made, so I'm sure they would have coped. That being said, once CO actually announced it, then yeah, they were kinda stuck with the expectations that comes with that.
@@KrispyNuggetBoutique And I was happy with Super Mario Bros on the NES. Can't believe Nintendo wasted so many resources making more complex games.
Recently, I’ve felt cheated by these bigger game studios promising so much and falling short of it by a large margin. I want to be excited for this game, but I just feel like I was lied to. Performance is a big deal for me and I just can’t excuse that unfortunately.
The deployment team can add all the fun cool things, make some things free but until performance issue is not tackled it will be hard for many to come and play.. Not everyone has the budget of a high end PC.. THE PERFORMANCE SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING THEY NEED TO TACKLE AND BRING IT UNDER CONTROL.
But in the next 10 years, - in which this game will be the current, and most likely premiere city builder, unless another player comes out of left field - nearly everyone is going to replace their PC or laptop at some point. Today's high end PC is the budget PC two years from now, with the exception of the highest end flagship GPUs (like the 3080 Super)
Its way better than launch, actually "playable". However yeh it needs more time in the oven to go from being good to great. Id say another 6months to a year and we will have the game it should have been at launch. I think the biggest oversight was going from cs1 full of assets etc to cs2 with basically nothing. I know it was more than cs1 at launch but this is not cs1 at launch its cs2! Cs1s predecessor. It should have been cs1 and better, what we got was a better looking game with better tools but not alot to do with those things. I truely believe cs2 will be great one day and right now its in a great spot jst not quite there.
All i need is custom assets and i’ll play again!
Bought a renewed 3070 for $300, got a 2k monitor, play the game at 2k resolution. I've got a full map city with roughly 40k population. Runs 50 fps to 30 fps in the urban areas on x3 speed. I feel like the game's obviously gonna lag when you spam the max density buildings when each one houses a thousand cims lol. I'm playing with most of the most popular mods at the moment and gotten roughly 60 hours in the current city. Game hasn't crashed once. For me what I desperately need most of all is custom assets right now. More mixed use wall to wall buildings would be godsend.
If you drop $300 on a graphics card just to play one game at 30-50fps, you must be really stupid.
If you drop $300 on a graphics card just to play one game at 30-50fps, you must be really stupid.
GPU isnt the only limiting factor. Have similar GPU + Monitor setup for this game. The closer you get to CPU related population cap ( 300K in my case if I remember right) the worse fps will get. Was still playable for me with 20-30 fps at population cap, but I have good CPU.
@@Qwertyuiop4409 No crap why are you pushing towards 300k population anyway 😂😂. What we need is the RICO mod so we can reduce the households within the high density buildings so we can still use them without making the game unplayable.
@@JaCrispy3060 I wanted to know population cap for my computer and how bad or well fps was at that population. FPS turned out to be ok, unlike gameplay that forced me to abandone game alltogether.
There are still a lot of bugs (actually to the point where the game is barely playable) and performance is still nowhere near good enough (which is probably why they had to delay the console release "indefinitely").
That said, Economy 2.0 and the detailers patch were a big step in the right direction. If they keep adding to the game and step up their QA (they can't keep releasing patches that introduce so many new bugs), I think the game will be pretty decent by 2025.
I’ll start playing again when Paradox Mods is in better shape with custom assets as well plus when we see bicycles in the game (I assume they’ll add them in some transit dlc with trolleybuses, monorails and blimps etc). I never got to the point of 100k+ population so performance isn’t that much of an issue for me personally. The potential is there but it’s just that.
It's just par for the course now that any new game needs 2-3 years after release to be reasonably complete and bug free.
1. Hype up the game with marketing. Collect pre-order revenue.
2. Release a minimal viable product to collect day-1 revenue.
3. Issue a heartfelt apology about "regrets, lessons learned, and vows to do better".
4. Drip feed DLC for the next half decade to fund the continued development.
5. Rinse and repeat after time and your token show of making amends has wiped the memories of your customers.
With all its development problems and the fact that it's really still in Early Access, the price is way too high, especially because we know there will be hundreds of dollars of DLC in the future.
Should the game be free and they only charge you for dlc?
@@BrothaMan831 Of course not, where did I say that?
Buy it on a big sale: cheaper and fixed ;-)
@@igorthelight Been waiting for a big sale, but the most they've been discounted so far is 10%. It's insulting.
@@drizztcat1 It's pretty normal for a new game. On Winter sale it will be -25% ;-)
I loved cities 1 and I still do today. I really want to pick up cities 2 but I’ve seen all the reviews and stuff about it. But really the only thing that’s holding me back from it is the performance issues. My system isn’t very that up to date but it can run most games well. I really want to buy cities 2 but I think I’ll just wait for paradox to fix the performance and stability issues, also maybe after a price drop on it.
Now i don't know your specs, but i can run the game just fine with a ryzen 5 3600 cpu and rtx 3060 gpu, so I say you should give it a go!
By far the biggest thing I hate about this game is how when I hover anything, it outlines every line in the 3D model. I don't know why, but it makes everything feel almost too technical, mechanical, and like I need to interact with and be aware of thousands of things at once. It creates chaos in my brain and it's just too much.
felt that. there's no default view?
I'll for sure check it out in a few weeks via the game pass and then see if it is playable.
I personally feel like I can't go pack to cities 1, it just feels so clunky in comparison and adding hundreds of mods usually causes me to not even get the game to start anymore.
Same, I keep going to fire up CS1 again to get a game that works, then I remember the way that people walk too fast and everything looks a bit too goofy (Donut vans etc) amd I just don't want to run 50+ mods anymore.
I agree, I can see CSII becoming an excellent game but at the end it’s really up to the devs and how much effort they put in and don’t get me wrong they are doing heaps but what ever they do for the next couple of years is either going to bring it back to life or kill it.
Cities 2 is only now starting living up to potential. It will be a great game in a year or so with some dlc and most importantly asset mod support
"Real developers test in production", presumably a belief shared by both Colossal Order and CrowdStrike, how'd that turn out?
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The economy still sucks. You can't real islands without road connections well as then they lack cars. Also the companies magically do well there even if nobody brings them goods or there is no customers. It's still just a sand castle builder not a city simulator...
And I guess the production chain and logistics still act weirdly just on the main land too if you try to move goods on trains ect.
Thanks for the update! Still holding off on buying this! Been excited since the original announcement but still waiting 💯
The 'patient' gamer always wins. I'm waiting for a sale in 2025.
You didn't mention what resolution you are playing at with your super high-end system.
I use your videos as a marker for when i'll actually fire up the game again. I bought it on pre-order before launch, not holding any hopes until 2025 for us to build big cities with custom assets and good detailing mechanics without having to abandon cities at 100k population.
Same here, keep watching to see when it’s time to return. I probably had expectations too high at launch for a modern game.
@@pipedreamin If you expected a finished game then no your expectations were just right.
If they even dream of releasing this on console they are going to need to more than double the performance. The main reason to play this over cities 1 was that you could finally build larger cities but this is not the case with the current performance.
The recent econ patch has helped a lot but created its own issues with no trucks spawning etc. There is still a lot of issues to work out. Although we are in a much better place than we were at release given the current pace of updates since release it is easy to see the game still being at least a year out from the state it should have released in. Many major bugs still remain since launch, seeing things like the detail patch and also the school assets does really help spread some good faith in the community while the devs take the time to get this game in the state it should have been on release.
I haven't been able to slide back in yet. I want to, I put hundreds upon hundreds of hours in Cities 1 but I frankly don't see a point until the asset importer is at least at public beta phase. I had a couple thousand assets downloaded on the first game, the added buildings in the detailer patch are a good first step but are 8 months late and not nearly enough compared to the volume of what we had in the first game by this point.
While I don't think we'll hit quite the level of content we were hoping for at the first year mark, there is a lot of potential under the hood. I'm following the larger map size mod and the buildable area it's showing is going to be a huge upgrade to even modded CS1. Combine that with community performance updates like we got in the CS1 and the flood of assets we'll get once the importer is working and maybe by this time 2025 we'll have the game we were sold on.
Yours is a fair very summary of where things are ATM. I've had the game since day one and continue to play it. My system is a 14700K, 64G DDR5 4070Ti - so decent enough.
The marketing suggested that huge cities would be possible and my expectation was to massively exceed the population of CS1 (with about 40,000gaminghours in total). In reality, a 300K city (which was less than my 400K+ cities in CS1 with a PC six years older) becomes a pseudo crawl and rather boring. EC2 has improved game play. I converted my 300K city to EC2 quite easily but had to mod it to avoid the homeless bonanza and the 5/5 office bug. Death wave over and there really was little cognitive requirement on me to make the city successful. I decided to start again and, like with my previous city, it isn't difficult, at all, to make money and now, with a 35K population, profits are stupidly high and I am getting bored, again. Rather sad really.
I will continue to play - it provides some relaxation. The biggest stress of the game is the insane amount of power that the PC consumes in order to run the game in such a poorly unoptimised fashion. I can cope with that in the summer months as our PV generates a load of extra power which would otherwise be returned to the grid. In the winter months it's a different matter, as it irks me to have to buy an insane amount of electricity to drive this poorly optimised game.
I doubt if this game will become successful on console. I hope it does but feel that a huge amount of work needs to be done to make it capable on that platform and wonder about the ROI. If the developers ever go there, I hope to see the gains leveraged on the PC platform too - that would give me some future hope.
As a concept artist the realistic graphics really add a lot to the immersion of things. I can only hope everything else keeps up
I am wondering if the performance can really be fixed to an extend where we can build huge cities and still have the game run. We are still playing the base game. They still plan to release a lot of DLCs and then at one point the workshop content. How should this all work out if we all have stability problems with cities at 100 k inhabitants. The performance would have to improve big time. I'm a bit of a pessimist here. I think that the problems lie so deep in the core of the game programming that I can't imagine that it will ever live up to what was promised to us.
Why would anybody play CSK2? You can do so much more and have what you want in CSK1. The same building, with no variation in the 4 trees, 3 homes, etc. Pass. I own CSK2; I don't play it.
The game is going great, but considering it's not a live service type of game, the development rate is slower than what it needs to be. Too many kinks and bumps on systems that should have really been refined even before the game hit the steam store. My main gripe with the game is the current grid based plot system that just feels outdated... after playing manor lords I feel like the system they use there is the future for city builder games, it feels much more natural and dynamic with little user input. Also why don't we have a "road edit" tool? I'm sick and tired of messing around with elevated highways for 20 minutes just to move my camera and realize it looks like trash and have to re draw it again (thank god for MoveIt)
I've sunk 80 hours into SC2 since the update, but only 40 hours in the entire time prior to the update. I'd say that pretty solidly shows its improved. The only thing I want now is Asset modding support. I need better suburbs.
CS2*
I just started playing again after months. It's actually hard and I'm having to relearn and rethink everything.
They need to hire some Google engineers or something to code up a good sim engine. It looks like they just loop through every citizen and update their position and state every frame, I'm sure there are clever ways of doing this where they could probably simulate tens of millions of agents without lag.
Well, I'm having fun playing it and look forward to playing more. I honestly really enjoyed the economy 2.0, though the grind is temporary; at 30k population on a vanilla map, money is no longer a problem. I'm worried what will happen when population crosses 100k, as my computer might not handle that.
It’s missing realism from the first game, like seeing firemen put out fires, and more. I have both games and still play the first one more until it’s all patched in.
yeah my 260k pop is so fun at 15 fps on 1x speed with 3x speed being the same exact as the 1x speed. so my 260k pop has been 260k for hours now, the same amount it took me to get to 260k pop, 12 hours playing reaching to 260k and 12 hours staying at 200k! yay! I've only bought around 30 tiles out of hundreds and my plan was to fill out the whole map and make nyc, but hey! it's like an actual city, it's going to take centuries to reach a million population! got to hand it to paradox, real and true to simulation! I love idly sitting and watching my city grow at +2.5k/hr population in real time hours because if i start moving I lag ha!
apart from performance issues, i did not like how every motorcycle is the same model, assets and building models are just too repetitive, cims do not interact with props. Also i can create a far better looking city in CS1 with custom buildings thanks to Procedural objects mod. This game needs atleast 5 more years of development, assets and mods to become a worthy replacement for CS1.
Update on Economy 2.0 really make this game much more enjoyable. I finally used the special zone to create unique industry compared to before. It is really struggle to find the balance but this made used so much more function in the game such as loan and policies which I rarely touch before.
You wont find a balance in a game with no balance.
I just can’t handle traffic behaviour in the game to be honest. It still works terribly and detracts from the experience (for me). What’s more, is the game just despawns everyone once they’ve been sat in traffic long enough and nothing matters.
I only got Cities 2 about 2 days ago. And I am blown away. While I do see some issues, all the new features and assets make this a dream game
This game is a joke, you can buy a graphic card for 1000$ but you cannot run this game after 100k people. Useless.
For me right now, it’s not even the performance issues that are my deal breaker. I always loved the customizability that came with Cities 1, much of which simply doesn’t exist anymore. Like, the more absurd mod platforms are one thing, but when I want to make a city at a very personal level and can’t even freely change the road designations, that’s what does it for me
I definitely blame Paradox, not so much Colossal Order.
I feel like there's a ton of potential here, but it's still about a year off from being equivalent to Cities. Like maybe 2 or 3 expansions away. Probably will wait for a sale to pick it up and really enjoy it.
Economy 2.0 is first attempt to turn city painter into city simulator. Still at least few months away from the target minimal quality though.
I just wanna be able to build my city with amenities without going bankrupt. I'm having sooooooo many issues now after the patch.
I played the game after the reason updates, but i didn't enjoy the game. New assets, but growables is still the same few assets, making it bland. Traffic is still a disaster. The tax system based on education is stupid as always. Roads filled with parked cars, do i really need 20 carparks in a town below 1000 inhabitants? Lack of traffic controls, such as pedestrians overpass over big roads, no cycling. Taxing tiles is stupid if you are supposed to be some kind major. The game has improved, but fundamentals is still unfinished. At what about parks, when do i get to make a pretty city?
Thanks for the videos, but when you talked about performance issues on you personnel computer what resolution was that set on 1080p ,1440p or 4k? on your RTX 4090.
At least for me the game is now properly complex and seems reasonably challenging. It now no longer feels like it's made for casual gamers.
Does it leave alot to be desired still: yes
Does it run well: i would agrue kinda
But are the devs actively trying to fix and improve on this game: oh absolutely
With the devs apologizing and 9 months worth of updates and patches, ill say its good... it not the game we were hoping for right now, but its at least in a decent spot. we got a long while until its the game we saw at launch but slowly but surely its geting there.
ut are the devs actively trying to fix and improve on this game: oh absolutely. If they where it would have been fixed in a few months and never released as total garbage.
regarding the player numbers dropping after launch, that is normal and almost all games see a massive decrease in player numbers shortly after launch.
That’s true, but iirc CS2 counts dropped close to concurrent CS1 counts and that isn’t normal.
CS2 is below CS1 numbers since December 2023. I don't think anyone predicted that.
not to this exstent in such numbers, stop shilling. I hear the same from helldivers simps. helldivers lost over 200K players in just 6 months that is not normal that is an objective failure at every single level. Citys skylines 2 is exactly the same. it lost almost 100K players in 6 months. It is an abject failure. Not normal.
No. Just... no.
Its silly to compare games in that way, because different companies have different goals for their games post-launch. A game with zero planned DLC/expansions or significant updates, for example (which up until recently has been the norm for games), should be treated differently than a game that the company plans to keep updated and use as a base for DLC. The drop in player count is massively important to one, not so for the other.
A company, such as Larian, that makes a game like Baldur's Gate 3 and aims to make profit through a single transaction doesn't need to care about retaining players - as long as people buy the game, that's enough. They never planned to release any DLC and thus, would see no more profit from retaining players.
Games such as Cities Skylines 2 need to retain as many players as possible, more so than other games, because they plan to make more money through DLC. This is how companies such as Paradox and Bethesda do things - release a game, make money, release DLC, make more money. That DLC only sells if people are still playing their game. That means retaining players is far more important to them, and their failure to do so cannot simply be disregarded. Its why Bethesda put so much emphasis on wanting players to be playing Starfield 10 years from now - because retaining players for 10 years means a lot of sold DLC and paid mods.
As such, you can't just compare games like Cities Skylines 2 and Starfield, games that want to retain players, to games that do not try at all to retain players.
As someone who’s never plays Cities Skylines before, should I buy the Cities 1 or 2?
I have a very high end PC (7800x3D CPU) so performance won’t be an issue for me.
I could patiently wait out the mod support as I would probably play pretty casually. I’m not a CS 1 veteran that has or needs a massive amount of content (as long as CS2 eventually gets lots of mods/content)
What kills it for me is all the game breaking bugs. Say people that can't even play, or people that experience the game crashing to desktop at random intervals for seemingly no reason with no error message.
Or for instance the homeless bug, where citizens are stuck in a limbo state, thousands of them, not seeking a new home, but hindering residential demand.
Or the fact that public transport is bugged, where say "40 000 citizens use the bus", but 38 000 actually dont, they actually use their cars.
or the taxi bug, where you connect a new highway, and outside taxis (not your own) comes not in the thousands, but millions, and starts hindering traffic.
The fact that at this point in the game, there is no crime what so ever. Tourism doesn't work, and commercial districts don't make hotels no matter what.
And after you hit somewhere between 80-150k, the game stops demanding new residentials, and instead the population declines over the years, until your city dies out eventually.
Yeah the game is great if you are planning on playing it for a very few hours, or only develop your city to say 50k population. But if you put 15-20 hours into a save, just to have it be broken and unplayable, well, a lot of us CS1 fans are left with a bitter taste in our mouth.
Most of us really dont give a flying F about content. The base game has a great foundation as it is. What most of us want, is a game that is playable for hours upon hours without breaking.
If they'd be able to deliver that, I'd reckon the reviews would land in the 80% positive side, instead of only 53% as it stands today.
Good enough to be worth playing, but there are still issues to be dealt with, including the homeless bug and broken tourism. Game needs custom assets, bored with the lack of tree and building variety.
I dont mind the low fps, but the game speed slows to an absolute crawl after 100k population. They need to let people change the simulation limit to fit their specs
one of the biggest issues with cs2 its that is not cs1, without that comparison cs2 its a reslly good city builder, i know it has clear issues but the devs and the game seems to be going on the right way.
my whole response to the first chapter of problems is: first paradox sequel? lol, if you've played any of the map painters, this is a very familiar tale by now. I don't think CK3 has had a single DLC/patch release at this point except for the very first one (and maybe even that one) which has been received very positively. they all introduce at least one major mechanic that nobody likes, or at least nobody likes the implementation of. it's frustrating and rough, but i can't say it surprises me coming from paradox
thank you for your integrity regarding the state of performance within CS2. i’ve asked other channels if it’s fixed, only to meet straight out denial that the problem even existed.
I will say it, CS2 will NEVER be better than CS1
my game enters slideshow mode as soon as i press play, no buildings, no nothing, and i dont have a potato pc, its not good but its also not bad, lastyears i5, 16gb of ram and a gtx 1660 TI, and i play with graphics on medium so i dont think it should be this bad.
I really think it's too little too late at this point. Many of the modders that kept the original alive have simply moved on to greener pastures. We still don't have assets almost a year later with no ETA on adding them. I honestly don't know if I'll ever return to the game at this point.
My animosity dropped off when I gave up and uninstalled after the first month, and just accepted that the game won't be playable for another year (or longer if I have to wait till I can buy a modern supercomputer). I occasionally watch your update videos but otherwise try not to think about the game until it's fully baked.
One thing why CS has more players then CS2 is because of mod's and the fact that CS is supported on more devices like Mac's and stuff.
I love the game even at release there was no way I was going back to cities skylines 1
the verdict is they took CS1 and made it run worse, with less content, then charged top dollar, and then will charge for all the future mods as a extra flipoff before completely handing it over to community modders that will be charged commission on their work.
I tried playing again for the first time since it came out. Got a good one day of building, now the game crashes on launch every time I open it. I have a 7800x3d and a 4090.
A little generous I'd say. To me the game has barely changed in 9 months, still can't be played at 4k even on my high end pc, crashes more than ever and the economy changes superficial. This is not the game sold to us and is still disappointing. I'm sure they will keep trying.
I honestly think that even though the devs may have the best intentions they just don't have the money nor skills to make CS2 as the game they promise.
I think (big) city sims are the most complicated games to develop and the heaviest games for a pc.
The lack of traffic controls in the game is the true crime. And the economy 2.0 really didn’t fix anything it just made everything a lot more expensive.
The the detailers patch that was released is a giant W, and if they keep releasing things like that eventually, it’ll be good
Get good and install some mods
its a good game for 2013, but far away from being interresting in 2024. sad but true we will have to wait a few years before it starts getting good.
The only thing holding me back from re-buying this game is the performance. If they would put out 1 good performance patch I would jump back in. I have a fairly top end computer but I'm very susceptible to getting dizzy from frame rate fluctuations. If I could run a large city at a stable 30 frames that would be good enough but it looks like we arnt there quite yet
Same for me with a RTX 2080 Ti at 100k - no matter witch settings i use. it seems to be a break-point. I realy would like to play again.... but when even you with a 4090 have the same issue, I think it makes no sense.
Att 100.000 popularion start having problems... Everithing ok before but passes the threshold it starts loosing pop 300 per hour.... Traffik still nightmare with drivers doing idiotic stuff
Almost every single mistake that CO/Pdox has made in the last year with this game has been AVOIDABLE...
For preformance i own a 13700k (hyperthreadding off 5.5p 4.4e) and after 250k population if u have despawning set to deadlocks only and the traffic reduction to 0 then u will see the game slow down so much and will eventually lead to it stutterstepping where it is like fast then stop then fast then stop repeat.
Also the modding situation can be sloppy and u still need programs like skyve which really shouldnt be needed....
Assets should be their next pirority and finally would be preformance. Add asset editor so game has inf free content from community and fix preformance and the community will award and be able to self support itself
15 fps in 140000 city is wild 🔥
For now CS2 is getting better with the more paradox mods being released
The mods are a big win!
I’m still waiting for a compelling reason to buy this game. This video leaves me with the impression that SC2 is still a work in progress that was rushed to release long before it was actually ready for prime time. No mods?! No bikes?! Still just building the same car-centric cities over and over? Nice try, but I’ll stick with Urbek City Builder and SimCity 3k for now. Maybe by the time Civ7 comes out this one will be up to par 🤷♂️
What I didn't like when I first bought it was the way the controls felt. Have the controls been reworked? I play on pc.
I'm still waiting for performance of >10fps on my 2080, with a somewhat bigger city. For me the fun is optimizing traffic flow, and there is just too little cars and too little fps.
My experience is that the game still lags at 4K and looks worse than 10 year old games on full hd. And on top of that the simulation speed is still terrible. Great update, but I still run into same problems as before and can't progress.
I love the game now. My number one issutis the crashing every 30-40 minutes. Every time i have to restart my PC to be able to start it again. Huge pain. Otherwise its a lot of fun now
Honestly the thing that’s makes me mad the most is that I am someone who likes doing almost only grid but if you grid for enough the “grid” gets screwed up. And it’s like why why is this even a problem even if you make sure your snapping to what seems to be the correct spot but I have found that the game thinks there is two centers on roads very very close to each other for some reason
And no nearly as annoying but I want my dang mono rails
Edit: two things one it doesn’t seem to be a difference in high end and low end I run cities skylines 2 on a laptop I have no issues but once’s I get 100k people get noticeable lag
2 I actually had better frame rate before the “performance update” had a city with 200k no problem > performance update > getting whole 15 frames at one speed and not moving or looking at the city.
What’s with that?
Every city still looks depressing. It's all too grey.
Anybody else experiencing consistently high deathrates in economy 2.0? I started a new map after the update and the deathrate is consistently higher than the birthrate, which leads to loads of new people moving to the city at all times…
Have you checked healthcare coverage and pollution?
@@matthewparker9276 No pollution whatsoever in residential areas and healthcare coverage’s fine too. Also got all medical buildings apart from the medical university in my city…
@@daniellendi4494 what about pollution in the water supply? That can be a big cause of death.
@@matthewparker9276 Water supply is clean too. Been seeing something about a bug causing many homeless people and high death rates… Could be due to that.
Simulation speed with high population is my main problem
11900k and it start bad at 350k, i reached 880k people in some way, but it was terrible at 0.2
2:25 - Were those cars REMOVED from traffic??? Like god un-made them??? WTH is going on?!? I hate this kind of cutbacks!! This is the main reason why I don't play SimCity4 to this date...
After the KSP2 fiasco I am very hesitant about buying a game that doesn't function like it has to yet. Maybe later I will give CS2 a shot, but not yet
Really? I'm starting to get lag at about 500K with a 6 year old computer. (i9-9900, 64gb ddr 4 3200mhz) and a somewhat newer graphics card a rtx 3070. You got something in your settings really wrong if you are getting lag at 150K
I bought the game and I can say after learning the tutorials, it's really fun now especially since I got the game after the Economy 2.0 patch which everyone said was a game-changer, I held off buying the game till' there was SOMEWHAT an improvement. I can see why people complain about the performance.. My city is still small and I'm a little nervous to reach those big numbers. Plus, the regions packs.. They look really cool, I want my U.K assets already 😭-but yeah, they should fix performance as people say
Even though this information is repeates the music, your voice over is soothing that i enjoyed the vid.
3080 i9 32RAM 240hz Laptop just under 80K need to half speed to prevent jitter and crash. Kinda scared to build any bigger...
You're not telling us anything. What i9? What kind of RAM? Is it DDR5? What clockspeed? And you're playing on a laptop. Your hardware is worse and you're probably getting thermal throttling. Gaming laptops have never been good for demanding games.