8-player Mega Alamo Wargame
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2023
- This week on Little Wars TV, seven players from our club refight the final assault at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836. We play this epic last stand in 15mm scale on a magnificent custom tabletop in true 1:1 scale. We have all 176 Texian defenders represented individually, along with over 500 Mexican miniatures sweeping over the walls in waves. Can the defenders inflict enough punishment to turn our version of the Alamo into legend? Or will a new attack plan by Santa Anna and his generals manage to storm the Alamo at a lower cost?
Before the wargame, Chal and Dave unpack the complicated historical legacy of this iconic moment in history. How many defenders were really inside the fort? Why didn't Santa Anna bypass the Alamo? And did the old Spanish mission have any real strategic value at all? All this, and much more, today on Little Wars TV!
The entire wargame you see today comes to us courtesy of fellow gamer David Good, and the rules used in the battle date back to the 1980s. Learn more about the "Alamo Ruleser" and get your own FREE copy of the scenario and the rules on our website:
www.LittleWarsTV.com
Head to the Free Stuff page and download the PDF at no cost, thanks to David and the original designers, Rich Hasenauer and Ron Prillaman. - Розваги
Really cool and impressive that you were able to run both sides in a 1:1 scale- it really adds to the heroic feel of watching individuals fall and the defense slowly be whittled away. It also lends to those heroic moments like Colonel Travers falling after taking down three sappers singlehandedly.
Travis was a beast in this game. It was pretty cool to watch and play. The rules themselves do make the “heroes” more effective so it encourages a cinematic, Hollywood outcome
@@LittleWarsTV Great channel. Just want to say to suggest possibly getting better mic equipment. The voice recording (especially in this video) sometimes sound distant and medium quality at best (especially in scenes when it's just people sitting and talking). Also I feel the background music was too loud especially in the 2nd half of the video. Personally I feel background music is unnecessary.
This battle are very excruciating and prolonged ! This game show the complication of the some battle ! 😃
As a native Texan I am obligated to love this video.
All those brave 189 texans who were willing to kill and die all in the name of freedom. . .freedom to own slaves, I mean
Thank you for bringing back the historical coverage. I feel like the context is so valuable for videos like these.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Superb model of the fort and an excellent game.
Really enjoyed watching, though I missed your club members joking and bantering, while the game was being played.
Your friendship and obvious regard for each other is a great part of watching your game playing.
Really enjoyed the video, and 15mm seems like the perfect scale to do 1-1 model-historical soldiers battles! Something I had never considered before! Would love to see more shots of the minis and closeups of this lovely board
Playing this 1:1 was so cool! Tons of figures to move around!
One of the college courses I teach deals with the perception of historical events, and the Alamo always comes up as a case study of an event which has had its importance wildly inflated. Similar to the 1916 Rising in Ireland: Military disaster, but useful for the wider cause.
We had speaker come into one of classes and talk about the surrounding Davey croquettes death, it’s really crazy how people latch on the myths of history.
You’ve contradicted yourself. Was it useful or was it overstated? This historical revisionism is just anti historic anti western propaganda that only views part of the evidence of the era.
Had the Alamo failed to inflict significant casualties on Santa Anna or delayed him for so many days then it’s unlikely Houston would have been able to pull off the miracle of San Jacinto as that relied on time and troops disparity.
Militarily insignificant at the time, but it definitely took on a mythical rallying cry status at the time. So the "legend" of the Alamo was born almost immediately after it fell and there's no question it sparked a lot of passion among Texians at the time. A fascinating case study to be sure.
The wider cause being the peaceful British withdrawal under treaty arrangement, now try getting the yanks to fuck off with anything like that good grace, like Texas for instance a place annexed from the neighbours 👈😑
I remember reading (but can’t find it now) where some historian in a discussion over whether or not Travis really drew the line in the sand responded “If he didn’t, he should have.” It was sadly amusing to me that people thought Texas would crumble when someone suggested Crockett was killed trying to surrender, as if this somehow negated all he and the others had accomplished. Anyone wanting to appreciate history would do well to remember that people throughout history were acting on the circumstances in which they found themselves, not thinking how what they do might affect the narrative 200 years later. So you and a couple of other guys are surrounded by hundreds of the enemy. What are you thinking? “If I fight on, I’ll have a hundred schools named after me, but if I surrender I’ll be remembered as a coward”?
I respectfully submit that the Alamo DID have a significant effect as a rallying cry for the independence movement as well as tying up Santa Anna for two whole weeks while the virtually non-existent Texan Army formed. While European wars were chewing up soldiers by the hundreds of thousands in battles whose names all start to blend together, the fate of the Western Hemisphere and world history from that point forward would be decided a few weeks later by less than 2000 soldiers on both sides at San Jacinto. How differently might that have gone without the Alamo?
I wanted you guys to know that I have been inspired. I'm working to make a specific room for historical wargames in my home. I started with your Pyrrhus War series, and my nephew saw it and liked it.
Never tabletoped before, but I intend to learn. With luck, I can introduce a love of history through the game to him and his friends
Thanks
So cool to hear, Troy. That’s awesome! Bring along that next generation of history gamers along with you!
@Little Wars TV Yes sir!
As a Texan who loves history, I just love this wargame as it feels like a real-life battle and heroric just love yalls work
I absolutely love the more interesting and "asymmetrical" line-ups that historical games offer and encourage. Watching these videos make me more and more motivated to work harder on our own local hobby group.
Great battle report! This really makes me appreciate the 2004 film, they got a lot of details right.
The 2004 film is a great battle scene. We actually have a big film review video coming up
Great game! I’ve played this in 28mm on a much bigger table at a con and it is a blast trying to do better than historical commanders on both sides despite the inevitable foregone conclusion. I eagerly await the follow up talk with David about the design choices - it’s briefly mentioned here that some details follow the John Wayne movie more than history, which is a perfectly valid approach when dealing with a mythic subject. That seems to explain the red coats on one unit; Google tells me they were used in large numbers in the film.
TIL that Mexico abolished slavery in 1829, and that many slaves fled the United States to Mexico where they could live as free men.
The slavery issue was clearly a major driver of Texian independence. There’s no way to gloss over that ugly truth
Sam Houston also didn’t want Texas to join the Confederacy.
@Little Wars TV That is a falsehood in every sense of the meaning. The people who perpetuate that myth Are not even texans, What people fail to realize is that at the time of the beginning of the Texas Revolution there 4 separate revolts Going on at the same time against Santa Ana. But people fail to mention this Because they wish to perpetuate The poor Mexico Fighting against aggressive invaders narrative. What is often also not mentioned Is there a large number of tejanos Fighting against santa ana In both the alamo and sam houston's army
@@theblackrabbit That's true, but he wasn't an abolitionist per se. He, a slave owner, wanted slavery to die off on its own, but condemned all the politicing involved in it, which involved him politically attacking northern abolitionists for being rabble rousers while also campaigning for western states to not become slave states- which is to say, he was aggressively neutral about "that particular institution"; believing it a state issue but not one worth fighting a war over protecting and, if he had it his way, everyone would just shut up about it and it might go away on its own. He practically had to get dragged out of the Texas congress for not agreeing to join the confederacy, and it costed him his political career.
Slavery is only a trigger word used by idiots, who wouldn't want to own a cat who could wash the dishes 👈😕
1:1 scale for the unit numbers is really impressive!!!! Great episode of the Forlorn Hope of the Alamo!
Looks like an absolutely blast of a game - and what a gorgeous table and impressive collection!
Ever since I found this channel back in 2020, I was always looking forward an Alamo wargame for the longest time and now it's here. Thank you for bring another historic battle to the table.
You guys knocked it out of the park!! That was a delight and just super enjoyable!! Thanks so much!
Another great production! The table is so impressive and always inspiring. The figures are beautifully painted. Well done Little Wars TV!
I remember the first time I saw this was back in the 80s when Historicon was in Camp Hill Pa. I was not in the game, but it seemed as though everyone was having a great time. The years have not diminished it one bit. Thanks to all for bringing it back. You guys never cease to amaze me.
Absolutely incredible video. Thank you so much for taking the time to share with us. The 2004 version of the Alamo along with a lot of old leather bound books really gifted me my love of history. As someone who loves board games and movies too, this was an absolute treat to watch.
Brilliant guys. Just superb. I’ll be interested in table size. I’ve loved the period all my life but never thought it would make for a great game. This was so well thought out and done!
It’s 5’x7’!
That is one of your best presentations. Helped by the fact that I know the story really well, and have always been interested in that period, but I though you ran and presented the battle superbly. One for your hall of fame. Thank you.
Wow, thanks Alan! Hall of fame??
@@LittleWarsTV Sorry. Consider that as a suggestion. You’ve done so many great videos but there are a handful that really stand out and I think there should be a Little Wars Hall of Fame for the very best. I appreciate that you’re all too modest to create your own list but perhaps you could ask your viewers to vote for their Hall of Fame entries. Perhaps we should induct the best video from each season.
So enjoyable. Thanks for the opening historical context and the blow-by-blow coverage of the action. How can you not enjoy this hobby?
Another extremely entertaining video...great job!
Fantastic job and great video! Thank you for sharing this story and thank you David for bringing your collection. Again, superb video and editing.
David gets all the credit for painting and assembling this amazing set up. It’s a work of art!
Love the reenactment and history lesson! Seems very fun! Great video
Please keep pumping these out, I don’t play but love watching these games pan out. Love the content!
Superb stuff, thanks for sharing! Great terrain and figures from Mr. Good, look forward to his interview.
I love the attention you put in the historical background of this battle
Absolutely loved the cinematic presentation! Really well done. But...what became of the New Orleans Greys? Did they make good an escape? Will there be a sequel where we find out?
We should play the escape! Unlikely from a historical context though. Santa Anna had lancers patrolling the perimeter
I know I shot some of them as they broke and ran from the wall, but I don't think I got them all. Ed and I were joking about making a deal throughout the game...
@@IronIvanKeith Thank you Keith! I was fascinated by the prospect of a breakout attempt. If even one escaped, that would be legendary!
They historically had two company’s one lead by Breece a second by Morris they arrived just in time to help capture San Antonio in 1835 from their some left or went to Goliad we lose all the greys at the Alamo but at Goliad some we’re able to escape the massacre and at least one member was present to fight at San Jacinto
Another great piece of work. Really nice to see you co-operating with other talented gamers to create something special.
One of the most feel good things of these vids is the cheerful handshakes at the end. It feels a bit like a renaissance painting with all of you crammed into shot reaching over each other
Respect to David Good for sharing such an awesome table!
Fantastic Alamo model by Mr Good. A real labor of love to paint that many figures as well. Looks to have been a very fun rumble, gaming at its best. Thank you for all your hard work David.
Ditto. As someone new to miniature wargaming, I recall in the not too distant past "admiring" miniatures others had painted saying "good job" - but now that I've painted a few hundred myself (and produced some horrendous terrain) I realize I could in no way actually appreciate all the work that goes into it. Awesome job.
Good to see the Zapadores claim a share of the glory! In the historical battle, they proved themselves to be the cream of Santa Anna's army.
They were active in the game for sure! The rules emphasize the Mexican sappers as critical for battering doors and gates
A great looking table and the game looked like a lot of fun. The historical background information was great too. You guys are doing a great service to historical miniature wargaming. 👍
This was fantastic! Loved the break downs, loved that you made all the moments feel important! Fantastic! Gratz friends!
Thank you Little Wars TV and Mr David Good for putting this game on and sharing it with everyone. This video is now my favorite one on the channel because this part of history goes a little unnoticed unless you go to school here in Texas. Growing up and learning about it and watching the John Wayne version followed by the newer updated movie with Billy Bob Thornton this time period can capture the hearts of any military history enthusiast like myself. But you guys went above and beyond by not only explaining the positives but explaining the negatives of both sides which is rarely seen or talked about from my understanding. Thank you all again for a great video and now those blue moon figs that I have been debating on getting has just been bumped up on my must get list.
Brilliant video, apart for all the fascinating historical information, there is an almost theatrical feel to it which adds enormously to the enjoyment.
That looked fabulous, good chums playing with beautiful toys on a fantastic table. Hats off to you again chaps.
This was a great game and video! One of your best, in my opinion, due to the beautiful and complex game board and unique strategies by the players. Well done.
Thanks LW TV, you hit it out of the park again. Awesome video. The hobby at its finest!!
Thanks Sterling!
As a tabletop gamer and native Texan, it is amazing to see this! I would LOVE to play the Battle of the Alamo on tabletop. Y’all did an amazing job on the armies, scenery, and video 👏
Great game guys. Makes a guy want to rush right out and play. As always a wonderful report 👍.
Was there just last week. Your model was excellent! Thank you for this game.
Great historical context and a very visually impressive battle.
I absolutely love this battle. It has fascinated me from the time I visited the museum. The table is great! I'm so jealous! Thanks for posting this.
Obviously you weren't one of the arseholes who had their colon shot out in this lovely battle 😁
Excellent! This Texian really enjoyed the work you guys put into this. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A great game that was a blast to watch. Thank you for making this.
Seriously cool!! A really fantastic table top as well!!
Just found this channel, super cool video! Love the history as well
Welcome aboard!
Good job all around. Defending the Alamo was not necessarily foolish. Some orders need to be ignored.True, it was a mission church and was not intended for combat. But ordinary buildings can become strong points. Think of Arnhem and Rorke's Drift. The Alamo cost Santa Anna time and men. The real loss to Houston were the cannon and ammunition. The follow up battle was not sure thing for the Texians either. You have the classic trade off between time, men and material. The gaming table has to be one of the nicest you have had on the program. Absolutely stunning.
Thank you for this. Now, four days later, I made a couple of impassioned comments to this effect. What I failed to mention was what you pointed out, the potential of "ordinary buildings". Buildings and complexes that looked like forts were pretty sparse in that part of the world. Before the Texians used it as a fort, they took it from the Mexicans who were using it as a fort. Sam Houston ordered it blown up -- I'm guessing so it couldn't be used as a fort.
I've always wonder how realistic it was for Houston to order the artillery and munitions evacuated from the Alamo. Would they have been able to assemble the necessary limbers, wagons, and draft animals with tack? Were there even any ammunition limbers available? Were all the cannons at the Alamo movable?
Were there enough horses to move all the men on horseback, or would some have to walk? Were there additional wagons they could use to carry the food and water they'd need for a long march? Fanin and his men at Goliad were on foot, with slow moving carts for supplies. The Mexicans caught up with them and surrounded them.
If a number of cannons with ammunition, and an additional 100-150 men successfully reached Houston, how might that have possibly changed Houston's decisions?
@@dongilleo9743 Are there other little subunits of texians moving around and holding outposts? One of my guesses is that army command didn't want them to be easily defeated in detail.
From what these fellows say, it sounds like the army of Houston isn't that large either and is trying to pull itself together.
I made a model of the Alamo back in 1978 and we re-fought the battle and of course the Alamo was over run, but like in your game it was a lot of fun, my model was made out of polystyrene, and was pretty accurate, I real enjoyed your re-fight, because it re-mimed me my battle so many years ago!!
Another supebr video! I really liked the cut away action scenes where you focussed on the models and used sound effects
It looked like everyone had a blast! Many is the time I've downloaded the LWTV scenarios with an eye toward running them with which ever rules my group uses for the particular period. While I have done so again, I really don't see the point. I am so completely humbled by the absolutely stunning table and collection of figures, I can't imagine doing it justice.
Just visited the Alamo last weekend gave me the chills walking into the mission and walking the palisade where Crockett and his Tennesseans held
Oh weird, the only emotions I've ever heard the Alamo evoke upon actually visiting is disappointment and boredom, lmao. At least the diorama in the gift shop is impressive, but honestly that's it.
Excellent as usual from "Little Wars TV".
This was such a fun game to watch and the 1:1 scale really made it amazing.
Great video. And it's always interesting to hear the sordid truth behind heroic myths. :)
Another great presentation from this brilliant Channel
Great tabletop and like others said good scale choice too. Loved the background and context too.
Stunning ! Such. Wonderful group of gamers making such awesome videos!
Fantastic, one of your best. Thanks.
You guys are absolutely great!
Nice video beautifully modeled Alamo and figures
Great batrep as usual. Love that fort with the flickering lights.
Flickering tea lights! Super cheap and a cool visual effect!
This video was a lot of fun and very informative. Thanks.
Outstanding video! You guys some how keep upping the quality and narrative details each new upload. You've inspired me to take up ravenfeast to get my feet wet with wargaming it's starting to spread in my family and friends! I look forward to your future videos!
David Good looks like is an actual veteran from the Álamo happy to see the model he made
This is a great video, I just discovered your channel and I am already a fan!
Shockingly awesome game and video!
It’s also worth noting that the early Tejano-led stage of the revolt was coinciding with several secessionist movements. Santa Anna had already crushed or bypassed the other rebels before he moved on to Texas. I wonder if the Tejanos hadn’t been sidelined by Anglo settlers if things for Texas wouldn’t have been different over time.
Great “what if” point. Tejano support for the independence movement was an important factor early on and makes the history so much more complex and nuanced
Great Job fantastic miniatures and well dun brings it to life.
As a warhammer fan and a general history fan, this was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks nerds!
Well Done, Gentlemen! Thank you very much for visiting the legendary last stand of my Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandfather: Davy Crockett.😀
Damn! Pretty cool ancestor there!!
I just watched the Alamo movie for the first time 3 weeks ago, been waiting 2 weeks for those looks so good
Gents, I literally NEVER comment on UA-cam videos and I know my voice is just one amongst many, but I just wanted to say this without a doubt one of my favourite battle reports I have ever watched. The set up, the focus on the fact that it's a battle report, and not a 'dice report' where you see countless dice rolls over and over again. THIS is what keeps my interest, and I will be certain to check out the rest of your content. Great work :)
Well thank you! That’s always nice to hear, especially that we could do enough to lure a first time commenter!
Fantastic battle report, short and simple yet I liked the scale of the battle regardless.
And I'm glad I learned a few things, as a Texan it's nice to learn more about my home state.
But there's also another reason Santa Anna attacked the Alamo and it's within a book containing the letters of the Mexican Generals during the Texas Rebellion-from their point of view. The general who warned him to wait for him, turned out to be a better commander than Santa Anna-which fuels the Napoleon of the West title he was attributed with.
So there's can be a good case that the attack on the Alamo was more out of Santa Anna's jealousy to prove he was a better commander.
This is my new favorite wargame report
cracking video chaps! Really enjoyed this one!
Best episode to date!!! LOVE THIS
Brilliant work.
That board is GORGEOUS!
Looks like y'all had a GREAT time!
Brilliant I in joy watching this up the Alamo 👍👍🤠🤠🤠
Thank you Mr. Good.❤
Even though you know the outcome is inevitable , you still hold out hope. Very fun scenario guys
Nice gameplay!
This was so great, Im going to make a tabletop simulator scenario
Cracking battle report gentlemen!👍
I grew up in Texas and saw the San Jacinto Battlefield. Very cool!!!
Great video!
Love how Josh immediately grimaces and shakes his head when Chal introduces the "massacre of the Texians." That's the spirit!
The really important aspect of this battle was the two weeks of time that it took. Those 13 days allow Sam Houston to gather forces and the Mexican losses from the battle 400 - 600 killed and wounded meant that Santa Anna did not have them and had to keep other soldiers back to take care of the wounded. The Battle of San Jacinto six week later resulted in a crushing defeat of Santa Anna.
There’s been a lot of debate among modern historians about how Houston used those 13 days. Quite a few researchers have been challenging the traditional story that Houston made great use of the time to recruit. I don’t know one way or the other, but the debate appears ongoing
Both side of my Family are from Texas, and I too grew up hearing the tales of Valor, and Sacrifice. Only years later did I learn the truth about this military blunder. Still, it makes for a great story. Thanks for the video!
Outstanding. 😎👍
Can't wait for the rules video.
Must be fun playing. Was hoping Crockett might go down as in the Alamo movie, flaming torch in hand and gunpowder exploding everywhere.
We had a great cinematic ending to the game…but very unlike the movie. Our Crockett was the first to die!
As a Scot who often traveled to Texas, I was told more than once, an interesting version of how the Alamo was connected to the term Gringo.
John McGregor (Scot) and Davy Crockett (2ndGen Scot) played musical duels to keep morale up. John on Bagpipes, Davy on fiddle. One tune they played together was by Robert Burns.
The tune was “Green Grow The Rashes oh.” A tune familiar to the many Scots-Texans present. From the rousing choruses, the besieging Mexican troops picked out “gringo”. The name stuck. Truth or Myth… ?
Alas, a myth. Apparently Gringo was a term used in Spain at least as far back as the 18th C. Apparently it has a similar meaning to sassenach.
The SimSats Wargame Group of Ft. Leavenworth did "The Alamo" battle a while back with a paper walls/buildings Alamo " designed by the presenter the History Instructor on the base - the defenders were "individual figures with some Hero figures and some cannons " - when they were killed they were removed for Victory Points - the Mexican attackers were 5 columns of 5-figure stands and as they were killed the defenders got Victory Points and the lost attacking stand was replaced back into an attacking column - it was a fight for HOW MANY victory points each side would get - we learned a lot from the experience much like in the above battle ! :-) "
Remember the table top Alamo!