Epic Agincourt Wargame
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- In this episode, the guys at Little Wars TV fight the most famous clash of the Hundred Years War between England and France--the Battle of Agincourt. Tony and Greg debate how the English managed to pull off such a stunning victory in 1415, and then four players try to see if they can rewrite history. The war game is played on a sprawling 8'x6' tabletop with thousands of 10mm miniatures. Can Henry V and his longbows hold the line against the weight of French knights? Find out this week on Little Wars TV!
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really neat idea making the french nobles compete for VP
Thanks Lee! When you're dealing with historical scenarios like Agincourt you need a good scenario design to replicate the historical tensions among the French. With a unified command the French should have, and would have, crushed Henry's force. Making the players compete against each other in a free-for-all is one way to try and capture some of the rivalries and disunity.
the hundred years war was also our favourite period
thats why we kept it going for so long
the japanese must have really loved sengoku jidai then
We actually kept it going for 116 years, because we were enjoying beating the French so much.
>Crowd throwing garbage
>One spans a crossbow
Thats a slight escalation in violence! Good show by the way.
One element of the Hundred Years War worth mentioning is that it happened in the context of an estimated 1/3 of the population dying of the Black Death during the most crucial early period of 1340's-1350's. With manpower in such short supply it is amazing that the dying feudal system was still able to exert itself so much to allow competing Aristocracy to essentially play very bloody power games. Such is life.
Hey guys, great job and I love your videos. Regarding your opinions regarding why the English won, let me say from having had the opportunity to visit the actual Agincourt battlefield, what I saw there and my opinion from what I've read, I will say you are both right and both wrong in your assessment.
First, while Henry and the English were repeatedly outmaneuvered by the French in their march to Calais, given the fact the French knew the terrain better and outnumbered the English, it's not surprising the French constantly outmaneuvered them.
Second, while you can argue back and forth who chose the battlefield, it appears that Henry did set the conditions for victory, or at least the conditions for a draw through his thoughtful disposition of of his weaker force. He arrayed his forces to maximize the advantages of the longbow and through the excellent placement of the stakes to break up and blunt the French use of their cavalry.
Third, the conditions of the muddy ground certainly acted as a force multiplier in by further hindering the French cavalry. While I believe Henry was counting on the muddy field to slow the French advance, I am not as certain that he nor anyone else expected it would play as significant part in the French demise.
Fourth, while the French could've been better organized and even have feigned a frontal attack while sweeping wide around both of the English flanks, given their numerical and qualitative troop advantage, it's not unreasonable to think a frontal assault should not have swept through and over the English ranks to a swift victory.
Fifth, let me say that given the number of troops involved, the battlefield is small, actually very small. The forces truly were compressed together once in contact.
And yet, it's not one single factor listed above but the combination of all of them that gave the English their victory. The English [Henry] had deployed in a manner that took advantage of the terrain and concentrated the firepower of their best weapon, the longbow, into an area that was set up to be a killing zone. The French advanced to engage the English, were halted due to the dense longbow fire and the stakes, and were further compressed and hampered due to the eagerness of the rear French ranks to press forward into the killing zone. The mud literally mired the French in place at this point and the relentless attacks by the English slowly wore away the French both in numbers and in morale.
Regarding the heaping of praise and glory on King Henry V, that is nothing new.
I hope this helps and keep up the great work.
Vincent Stella of course henry did use the longbow becuase in his youth i believe during one of the rebellions he faced thenoongbows as the french did
Excellent post. I suspect that as Americans they are instinctivly inclined to deminish any English achievements . Such a shame.
The fundamental problem in the French battle tactics was the knightly training focused on the individual puissance of each knight - charge, dismount, duel... next knight ... the common footsoldiers were levies who had minimal training; they weren't professional and the knights had a vested interest in NOT training their rather oppressed subjects. The English soldiers were drawn either from mercenaries or from the yeomanry whose power and position in English society was much greater and subject to a requirement to practice their archery every week. Thus although much fewer they were better trained and represented the key factor in determining the outcome of the battle.
The English knights were trained as a combined force with their soldiers whereas the French knights much more concerned with La Gloire as their standing amongst their peers and with the king relied on it. The English tourneys fought the melee as two teams
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Awesome video! I'd love to see more info about the game mechanics and how they effected the battle, maybe added in post production? Like "Ok, Player A is in a tight spot he needs his unit to hold the line but has to beat Player B's high roll of 8 with a +2 modifier thanks to the terrain." then cut back to the action, something like that. Nitpicks aside, LOVED the video!
Feedback on ways we might improve the videos is much appreciated. Thank you. It's hard to know what will appeal to the widest range of viewers, and we spent a lot of time debating how much "history talk" vs. "game mechanics" to put into each episode. We eventually settled on a format where we'd push most of the detailed rule and game mechanic talk into the post game rule review videos (those tend to get more into the weeds for serious wargamers), but there have been a number of comments like yours, asking for more game time. Duly noted! Please keep any constructive feedback coming!
Really impressed with your production quality guys and those figures were wonderful.
Just wondering on the rules, is there not some sort of army breaking point or grander morale system? When the French player said he had lost 22 of 27 units I’d be very surprised to see that army continuing its fight !
Keep up the great videos guys. 👍
Thank you Hans. We'll have a bonus video next week talking about how we painted the armies for this. Days of Knights has two "break points" for each command/battle. So each of the three French players had to take break tests after suffering 25% losses and then at 50% losses. One of the reasons Steve had so few units left by the end of the game is because during his two tests a large number of his bases melted away in panic. The 5 units he had by the end of the game were the handful who both survived the English arrows AND survived two tests!
Brilliant!
It’s those sort of narratives we play wargames for!
Thanks for reply.
No French, "Eh! No great loss." :)
This game demonstrates my own luck in wargaming - "I need to roll anything but a 1...............doh!!"
In my 20+ years of experience, you NEVER say "anything but a 1".
Henry's "brother" the Duke of York? He was distant cousin. Henry's brothers were Thomas, Duke of Clarence, John, Duke of Bedford and Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester.
What is it about being The Duke of York? It's always problematical; it never ends well for them.
I like these short form videos. Just the right length of time for fitting in at lunch break. Agree with Joseph Bloc as well though about wanting to see a more involved battle report, perhaps two videos might be in order? Like the way you guys use the informal style, really just reminds me of a good club night.
I really like this channel. Glad I found you
Like all of your'e videos this was really well done! Very entertaining to watch. I have been sitting down to watch these after I get home from work and put the family to sleep. My wife always chuckles at me when she gets up and sees me smiling while watching you guys. Keep them coming!
As a frecnh, it took me 4 years to watch it.
Worth it - just started a 6mm Breton war of succession army, this is great inspiraton
Awesome! The end was particularly good. Lol!
My experience with historic wargaming is very limited but sure love epic wargaming. Great, great video. I wish the fantasy and science-fiction videomakers will take notes!
Thanks, Ben! We wish there were more good tabletop gaming videos of any genre--including fantasy/sci fi. Certainly the Warhammer crowd has a large following of players and video makers.
Very impressive, love the explanations and your beautiful armies...Congrats!
Thanks, Phil!
Would love to see Towton played out
From Agincourt to Waterloo it appears the British and their allies have never actually won a battle against the French, the French merely handed over victory to their enemy because they are apparently just so nice.
The French: “Here Meeester English, av a viccctoory an a basket of croissants”
The English: “again? Jesus we’re going to get fat before long.....”
@@basderue512 Yes it was the French.
Since you seem weirdly personally invested in a particular position, not history, then - sure, whatever you say. The French won even when they lost, because they are French and French is best for... reasons.
@@FinnMcRiangabra Good.
"Now go a-way or he shall taunt hyoo a zecond time-ah!"
The frogs have NEVER WON MILITARILY AGAINST THE ENGLISH EVER
I thought you were going to end with the defiant French yelling at the English .....
"Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!"
Nice vid & battle.
Missed opportunity, really
Great video! Had so much fun watching it, as much as you guys seemed to have doing it!
That's a lovely bottle of a Dalmore you've got there.
Cheers!
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say "These wounds I had on Crispin's day."
I know it's an old video, but I've been reading a book on the Wars of the Roses that touched on this battle. Upon seeing the name Agincourt, it felt familiar enough to search and sure enough a video was found for it. A fun watch, glad it was here as a little bonus.
Fantastic stuff guys! Steve you should have been awarded victory points simply for wearing the Brendan Shanahan jersey 😀
Ivor Evans, Steve knew he’d be one of the French nobles and figured the “St. Louis” jersey would be his most appropriate wardrobe choice. He’s really much more of a Bruins fan, though.
Love the Shakespeare ending lol
I'm just bummed they didn't just walk off and make him clean up all the garbage loollolololo
Fantastic gaming table with Brilliant painted figures, the end of the video's great
Great video. The pelting of garbage was hilarious!
I personally believe that the English victory happened not because of just one reason, but all of it. The terrain, the longbows being OP. and Henry inspiring his men by being at the thickest of the battle all ultimately contributed to their victory
That French accent is somewhere between Clousseau and Bombay!!!😂😂😂😂😂
This is a really intriguing channel idea... subbed.
Just found this channel! So cool!
Welcome!!
Very enjoyable episode. Wouldn't be disappointed if the game was a bit longer. Nice bit of history thrown in for good measure.
Awesome video guys. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing!
Great video. Henry won because he made the best job of reading the ground and the condition of the weather. It rained for days before the battle. The biggest problem was French incompetence
Just discovered your channel. Super interesting, thank you!
Glad you found us! Plenty more battles on the channel like this one!
Very well done, once again.
You're doing nice videos, keep up the good work!
Another great video. The thought, time and effort you put in creates a quality product. Keep it up.
Appreciate that, Owen. Thank you. We are trying to only release the best quality we can afford!
Dalmore in a damp cold field. As a Scot I approve this message.
Is there any other more suitable place to drink a good Dalmore?
@@LittleWarsTV I can't argue with that.
«- Well here goes our french audience.
- not a great loss !»
Ah well, I'm unsuscribing then.
Joking lol, I'm not that kind of people.
dlrow olleH you passed the test. Fall in.
They should do the battle of Castillon to regain us then x)
Ur name backwards is Hello world
The bit at the end had me laughing for ages
This was really good!
I wonder what do historical wargamers think of Warhammer players.
Nothing than positive. We are all the same we push little soldiers.
I remember sharing a venue with some bowls players. "What are you doing"?, one of them asked. "We are playing a 30 Years War wargame", I answered. "Strewth. There was a war that went on for 30 years"? he asked incredulously. Do I tell him about the 100 Years War, I wondered🤣🤣
I personally prefer the battle of Castillon. A matter of taste I presume... ;)
Yes and apparently anglo-saxons don’t know that the French won the Hundred Years’ War.
@@paulbourguignon3632 that’s bs and you know it
This is amazing.
"The French had a chaotic command & control structure, at Agincourt"...... Something they repeated again in 1940.
By the way, I gave a thumb up 👍despite of the pain.
Subbed, God bless I found this channel
What great fun - enjoy - GO HENRY!!!
Great stuff! Perfect dinner time entertainment!
How come nobody told you it is A-Z-incourt, not Agincourt ? :)
Oh don't worry, we get told we're pronouncing stuff wrong on a weekly basis for the last four years. Just goes with the territory here I suppose....
@@LittleWarsTV the battles are awesome anyway :)
To hell with the chairs boys, you left your drinks in the field!
Some poor soldier onthe battlefield getting slayed by a literal enemy king in full armor mustve been a crazy albeit short lived experience
There was a recent movie that ended with victory at Agincourt and the battle looked phenomenal being very well done and looking very realistic though I wish they would’ve spent a little time going into the importance of the British Long Bow.
The King? It's not even close to realistic
It is probably all of those, not just one.
weird idea; what if Charles D'Albret sent his dismounted men at arms to march on the archers on each flank and then charged down the centre with his cavalry when the archers were engaged?
remember also that the armour in 1415 was arrowproof. the longbowmen did not shoot down the armoured knights, they beat them in melee after having shot at them all the way across the fields.
Seems from the historical debate that they were able to stop the horses and wound the knights to a degree, and secondary and a larger degree, panic the horses and pincoushion the knights, disabling their ability to fight in armor. Lastly it is assumed at point blank range they could kill with direct bowfire.
Likely there was a melee at the stakes, with bowfire and dagger, used against pincoushioned knights with unwieldy lances. However their fire effectivness up until then is unquestionable. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.
As a member of Clan MacKenzie, The Dalmore is a fine choice!
I know this comes very late but the longbow theory kinda falls apart with battles like patay were the French cavalry destroyed them.
I think you underplayed the role of henry. It does take personal magnetism and ability to get things in position to work out and maintain moral and cohesion in the moment.
You guys seem to be the perfect mix of history buffs, wargamers, booze enthusiasts, and just plain silly dudes. I'm a bit jealous, because I cannot even find decent opponents for the most simple 2 player board wargames.
Worth it even if to just see the performance at the end! 🍿😆🤮
FYI In Europe the fall leaves primarily only turn yellow not orange and red .
1:57.. His eyes in the portrait are crossed..lol
very good video.
Such good videos guys! Thank you for these! The longbow was such a powerful weapon, so much so that Wellington considered reinstating them for the Iberian Peninsula war due to their stopping power and accuracy, but due to the strength required in drawing them had to drop the idea due to not.enought men being able to handle them.
1337 is when it "officially" started; Edward III declared himself King of France, but fighting (between the French and English themselves, I mean) was relegated to minor skirmishes in the south of France, and up with the Scots a tiny bit (who were still sort-of allies of the French) because both sides were preoccupied with dealing with crap at home. There was fighting between I guess we could call them proxies in what is now The Netherlands, and maybe into Belgium IIRC but I can't remeber the precise areas that had armed conflict beyond minor skirmishes. PROBABLY some of this spilled over from Flanders and Picardy into France proper, but only slightly. There was minor conflict in Burgundy at the time too I believe, but that was only tangentially related.
I enjoyed that, nice job :-)
Great game, where do you get the measuring rod used at timemark 13:27? Are they modular?
like a massive crowd disaster for the French...i read that some of the Feench Noblemen stayed up all night so they didn't get mud on there coat of arms etc.
Thanks Very much have you dun Stalingrad or the Battle of the Bulge. Thanks a lot.
At the time it was just called the war. 120 years in the end,,,
Hundred Years' War started in 1337 not 1340
It was a very 1337 war.
Great video as always. Looking forward to the rules review not a set I'm familiar with. What make are the figures?
For this period we use Magister Militum's 10mm range. I do also own some Pendraken--they are quite lovely--but they look a lot different and don't always mix well with these. Magister's 10mm figures are bulkier and more "well fed" vs. the Pendraken, which I'd consider much leaner. The former paint up a bit easier and the latter look more realistic. Both great manufacturers. Maybe we'll do a product comparison at some point.
Is there a listing of seasons and episodes for each? I'd like to watch how your shows progressed and want to make sure not to miss the rules discussion and all the other goodies you've produced. Thanks! Love your shows!
Yes, on our website www.LittleWarsTV.com, you can find a complete list of our episodes in order. Right here on UA-cam we also have a Wargames playlist that includes all the battles played so far (that's full 18 episodes, with a mini bonus episode available on our Free Stuff page).
Your drinking Dalmour. I'm jealous.
Great game, great club 👌👌
This is awesome
Leadership was a key factor, ehich I think you handled well with the French side. Henry was a true warrior, a great leader capable of great inspiration. He eschewed all that aloof medieval class snobbery with his troops. This was the original Band of Brothers, and they loved him for it.
The other factor of success was the English/Welsh dagger in close combat in the hands of the archers. Mounted knights entering combat at walk speed had no chance. Unhorsed, their armour weak spots were no match for a slender dagger. The French nobility were prised apart like lobsters by procacious English Yeomen.
what size is this? Also how tall do you make your trees?
10mm figures and we use trees of many sizes. These are largely Woodland Scenics pre-made trees from their smallest value pack in height.
Another great video chaps. Looking forward to the bonus video on the figures. Really liked the idea of the three French players competing amongst themselves. Unfortunately it seems the rules are no longer available as the website has closed. However I got mine from eBay which still has copies of 1st Edition and 2nd Edition from time to time.
Yes we'll obviously be commenting on the status of the rules in our review next week...they are harder to come by than they should be! Chipco closed up shop as a publisher some years ago, but they still do sell the PDFs if you contact the authors directly.
Little Wars TV are the fields scratchbuilds?
All fields were scratch built. We have a number of good terrain tutorial videos coming in the pipeline...including one on the muddy fields seen here in this video!
Fantastic look forward to seeing those
The rules are available by emailing me, the author, at Chipco2@aol.com.
I like Tony he has a good personallity.
Greetings from 🇫🇷 France 🇫🇷 😁👍
Yohan, please forgive the French joke at the beginning! Tony didn't mean it, I swear!
@@LittleWarsTV It's cool ! I totally got it. I was just teasing a bit ! No hard feelings. 🙂👍
Please, do keep doing the french jokes, it perfectly fine and good fun ! 😃 👍
@@Oblomovrising Morbleu ! Ne l'encourage pas !! xD
@@Oblomovrising je ne savais pas que c'était une chaine américaine, d'où le "french bashing". Quand on râle, ils disent que c'est de la plaisanterie. Je leur réponds que nous nous moquons des abrutis américains, mais qu'ils ne doivent pas le prendre mal, parce que ce ne sont que des plaisanteries...
I wish I could play these boardgames. Sadly I am broke as funk.
Same
Get some 40mmx40mm cardboard. Label them with the type of unit you like. Get a table. Cover it with a greet felt cloth, or something close. The game cost $10.
Is it just me or do the helmets and armour in the painting at 1:36 look like they belong in the later half of the century, rather than in 1415 as captioned?
Next week: how we won the Vietnam war, WW2 started in 1941 and the Lancaster didn't carry several times the bomb-load of a flying fortress.
Over confidence and bad luck on the French side but the longbow and stakes in defence worked well as usual .
It was the lack of discipline and no réal leader on French side that made the defeat.
Common Englishmen defeat French aristocrats. You can qualify it all you like, but the fact that this battle has reverberated down the centuries, gives evidence to the calamity it was... for the French. "On, on, you noblest English..."
It would help if you would explain how you move and what the dice roll means and whats with the measuring? Interesting though.
I'm English....after hours of both armies just staring at each other...it was the English who marched forward in the mud...to get into longbow range..the English then proceeded to start the battle with a hail of arrows...this so infuriated the French knights..that they charged without plan or purpose...the rest as they say...is history!!!
ha ha ha ha!! Loved the ending
This is a French civil war where the English "win"... by ending the war and ceeding that lineages claim to the French throne.
The English lost the war. Last battle of the Hundred Years’ War is Castillon. A huge defeat for the English.
Was never a french civil war, nice try though!
15 of my ancestors fought at this battle. 9 on the English team, 6 on the French... all the French were killed or captured. 1 English ancestor confirmed killed... may have been more but records are sketchy and it was a long time ago!!
The English killed all prisoners. It was an absolute shame for the area.
@@paulbourguignon3632 not really, it happened all the time back then. Life in 1415 was brutal, painful and short.
You should do a battle of Stalingrad
22 of 27 units? And they didn't break already? Interesting....... I like the block painting on the figures. It works really well at this scale. The problem of wargaming battles is the dice roll. Those roles were made a long time ago and those rolled here don't reflect what actually happened. Henry V rolled 8's with his archers rather than the 1's rolled here. That was the difference......
Hah, yes, see reply to Hans' comment for why Steve was able to still have 5 units left on the table by the end!
The reason we use dice is that we, as gamers, can always blame the dice for our defeat. If the game was a strict reenactment, it would be very boring, as everything is predetermined.
@@a.curtiswright8277 Good point.
The system could use more of a normal bell curve toss of multiple dice added together -
Bernard Putersznit I prefer less dice with more modifiers, or just use one type of dice for every mechanic in the game. Keeps things simpler and easier to get new people into the hobby.
Nice Blues Jersey! LGB!!!!!
Listening to this guy say Agincourt is horrifying.