yes vengeful spirit's ulti can work on creeps, BUT with agahim's scepter bloodseeker's ulti works with force staff, this is because forcestaff forces the unit to move forward the direction they are facing, which deals quite lot of damage in the early game courier of course carries items :)
Just to clarrify, the bug with WC3 that caused fatal damage to remain fatal is that there is no hit detection in WC3, so the spell actually detects damage and reverses the damage. In the case of fatal damage, the unit's life has already fallen under 0.45 and the death animation will already be queued, even if the damage is reversed the unit will still die because death is triggered when the heal is under the threshold. A bit of WC3 mechanics, but it's not that it doesn't "check each instance" ;)
Two thoughts come to mind... 1: They do these every week, so if they only did those kinds of myths, they'd run out of things to bust very quickly. I'd have thought these were good just to remind people of, or clarify for those who weren't quite sure, or in the case of Tiny, just prove something that people probably haven't tested. 2: I actually haven't played DoTA 2. I haven't played any DoTA games for years. I realize that puts me in a minority of DoTA-video-watchers, but I find these helpful
I don't know if they already did this one, but here's my myth: If Storm Spirit touches an enemy Mirana's Sacred Arrow while moving around with his ultimate he will destroy the arrow without being affected at all. On a side note, maybe this may even block Pudge's hook...
you guys shouldn't be confused between "aura on illusions works" and "illusions gain benefit from aura". In fact illusions do not gain increased damage or armor or are able to lifesteal from vladmir's aura, but all the aura that increase SPEED (both as and ms) work on illusions (because they're based on endurance aura, the only special aura that works on illusions, like rexxar's and drum's aura
originally in warcraft, u can increase the impetus damage if u tp out before the attack hits u, but in dota 2 that doesnt happens, u can only deal a maximun damage even if u tp out or even if u just run
Next week on dota 2 mythbusters. Does vengeful spirit ulti work on creeps?? Does bloodseeker ulti work with forcestaff??? Does the courier carry items????
Interesting question! In DotA 1 Enchantress can deal a maximum 400 damage if Chen send her back to base. I believe Impetus attack in Dota 2 deals same amount of damage when you do that trick.
Except damage that kills you. Idk if it's the same mechanic as it is in dota 1, but damage is dealt first then when the backtrack procs, the damage is negated/the life is returned in other terms. I saw this in one other mythbuster back then, still unsure if this still stands.
i think u have misunderstanding here. the original walrus punch is only affected the attacked unit. it does not cleave. however, if tuskar is in empower state (or equip battlefury maybe), his ultimate have the ability to cleave.
Myth: If Zeus uses his ultimate, Thundergod's Wrath, when all five(5) enemy team players activate Blademail and damage returned is fatal to Zeus, everyone from opposite team gets kill count.
Auras like lunar blessing and vengeance's aura from illusions are just visual display so the illusion seems as real as posible for the enemy, but the damage is not really added.
yeah... that's what i was thinking... as far as i know, at least on dota (1)... as long as it wasn't disabled by some spell (like doom) and the damage wasn't higher than void's max hp it could be backtracked thanks for the feedback ^^
Not all auras work on illusions. They are carried by illusions, but for example lifesteal from Vlads only shows lifesteal animation on illusions, but illusions don't really lifesteal.
well tough may the name mythbusters is sometimes may not realy fitting for the things shown i still think for newbies and not veteran players its realy helpful to show this kind of mechanics and stuff to let em learn more about the game.
It's not the same thing .. Sylla's Bear cannot attack while on the other side of the map.. The ONLY way you can farm and push with the bear from a distance is by having radiance on bear .. On PL, on the other hand, illusions can attack wherever they are, so other damage items help with pushing and farming maybe even more than radiance..
well, i've seen some people saying that i'm right on this one but... can void backtrack walrus punch? since it has nothing to do with evading the attack or blocking damage, but a healing before damage, i guess void CAN
"Everyone already knows the tiny skill combo to be true." Well evidently they don't. I just watched one of TotalBiscuit's hyper incompetent single draft disasters with Siren. I'm pretty sure if I asked him whether Tiny did more damage using Avalanche before or after Toss, he wouldn't have the foggiest. "Don't be a fanboy." This is on par with me telling you not to be a troll. Maybe they could make it a monthly thing, but I believe this incarnation to be more useful to more people.
Well, this is true. What I was actually wondering is if the arrow (or hook) would have been destroyed or would have proceeded with no problems, "passing through" Storm Spirit.
Shallow Grave buff will prevent hero from DYING at all cost, the only reason Culling Blade from Axe able to kill hero with Shallow Grave buff because it remove the buff before make a damage. -Same case with Abaddon Ultimate-
pls any1 explain it to me. i know jugg attacked during ult in dota 1 but does it has been fixed in dota 2? i mean he should but i remember that he didn't use normal attack during ult in dota 2 - i saw mythbusters earlier (no idea ep number) where it was confirmed that he's not attacking.. ufff, ty in advanve sry 4 my eng
I'm pretty sure lifesteal (including vlads) doesn't work on illusions. Illusions carry all auras from the hero and they will work on units around them, but the illusions themself do not profit from them. Some (visual!) effects like lifesteal work on illus, but that's only so the enemy doesnt find out which is the real one, the illu doesnt actually get any hp back. mythbusters should get it straight tbh...or what's the point ;).
If a hero die with aegis and then ressurect, all under effect of AA's Ice blast, he will not ressurect with full HP, but the hp when he die. It happens in dota 1.
but then what i heard is no matter you toss or avalanche first, as long as you cast them together, avalanche will do double damage; and about the experiment outcome, how do you explain the damage is only 50hp in difference?
well since hes a ganker he has urn and medallion as options to help with mana which for someone like him isnt bad. also if hes mid like i feel he should be so he can freely gank a bottle wouldnt be a bad choice. the fury is a decent to cleave his ult but the only problem i have with it is that it makes the little kiddies feel hes a carry which he is so far from a carry
Um,about jugg attack while omnislash,dunno why but i think i saw that one in some episode pf mythbusters... P.S. really guys this doesnt have to be weekly. Just take your time and gather some really interesting myths to submit,because mostly it's 90% myths are obvious things that sometimes can even be read in spell description,and 10% are really interestin unknown mechanics...
i´m waiting for more cast´s from you guys !! wasn´t there another tournament final you were going to cast ??? don´t even care if it´s a final just cast something.. the most fun i had was watching the hon cast´s a while back ! :D not that hardcore pro shit.. pure fun with cast on the side !
"Pudge can use his ulti on any organic unit."
"The list includes zombies, SVEN, couriers, etc..."
yes vengeful spirit's ulti can work on creeps, BUT with agahim's scepter
bloodseeker's ulti works with force staff, this is because forcestaff forces the unit to move forward the direction they are facing, which deals quite lot of damage in the early game
courier of course carries items :)
Just to clarrify, the bug with WC3 that caused fatal damage to remain fatal is that there is no hit detection in WC3, so the spell actually detects damage and reverses the damage. In the case of fatal damage, the unit's life has already fallen under 0.45 and the death animation will already be queued, even if the damage is reversed the unit will still die because death is triggered when the heal is under the threshold. A bit of WC3 mechanics, but it's not that it doesn't "check each instance" ;)
This is the best episode so far
Two thoughts come to mind...
1: They do these every week, so if they only did those kinds of myths, they'd run out of things to bust very quickly. I'd have thought these were good just to remind people of, or clarify for those who weren't quite sure, or in the case of Tiny, just prove something that people probably haven't tested.
2: I actually haven't played DoTA 2. I haven't played any DoTA games for years. I realize that puts me in a minority of DoTA-video-watchers, but I find these helpful
I don't know if they already did this one, but here's my myth:
If Storm Spirit touches an enemy Mirana's Sacred Arrow while moving around with his ultimate he will destroy the arrow without being affected at all.
On a side note, maybe this may even block Pudge's hook...
No, cooldowns on items carry between them. So if you have 2 blink daggers and use 1, both of them will be on cooldown.
if you didn't cringe at that walrus punch I don't know what your problem is
new meta tusk battlefury?
+chewelews there are player already done it. two bf with an empower, gg.
you guys shouldn't be confused between "aura on illusions works" and "illusions gain benefit from aura". In fact illusions do not gain increased damage or armor or are able to lifesteal from vladmir's aura, but all the aura that increase SPEED (both as and ms) work on illusions (because they're based on endurance aura, the only special aura that works on illusions, like rexxar's and drum's aura
originally in warcraft, u can increase the impetus damage if u tp out before the attack hits u, but in dota 2 that doesnt happens, u can only deal a maximun damage even if u tp out or even if u just run
Next week on dota 2 mythbusters. Does vengeful spirit ulti work on creeps?? Does bloodseeker ulti work with forcestaff??? Does the courier carry items????
Interesting question!
In DotA 1 Enchantress can deal a maximum 400 damage if Chen send her back to base. I believe Impetus attack in Dota 2 deals same amount of damage when you do that trick.
I'm fairly certain that void can backtrack ANY instance of damage as long as backtrack isn't disabled by some spell placed on void.
Except damage that kills you. Idk if it's the same mechanic as it is in dota 1, but damage is dealt first then when the backtrack procs, the damage is negated/the life is returned in other terms. I saw this in one other mythbuster back then, still unsure if this still stands.
i think u have misunderstanding here. the original walrus punch is only affected the attacked unit. it does not cleave. however, if tuskar is in empower state (or equip battlefury maybe), his ultimate have the ability to cleave.
if both of them casting ULTRA simustaneously, both rubick and pudge will be hooked.
Myth:
If Zeus uses his ultimate, Thundergod's Wrath, when all five(5) enemy team players activate Blademail and damage returned is fatal to Zeus, everyone from opposite team gets kill count.
Battlefury is already a recommended item for Tusk.. Old DotA players used it often in the Warcraft version of DotA.
thanks for the info on yurnero IAS and tuskar cleave. I didnt knew
Auras like lunar blessing and vengeance's aura from illusions are just visual display so the illusion seems as real as posible for the enemy, but the damage is not really added.
The cleaving Walrus punch was in the most recent (Episode 49) of Top 10.
Pudge:Fresh from the ground,yeah!
whoa I actually got mind blown by that AOE tusk punch
yeah... that's what i was thinking... as far as i know, at least on dota (1)... as long as it wasn't disabled by some spell (like doom) and the damage wasn't higher than void's max hp it could be backtracked
thanks for the feedback ^^
Not all auras work on illusions. They are carried by illusions, but for example lifesteal from Vlads only shows lifesteal animation on illusions, but illusions don't really lifesteal.
1:10 Best part of all Mythbusters.
Yup it is HP removal instead DPS, you can always test this when using a flask. Since HP Removal wont dispel it
I bursted out laughing when seeing Tusk's Walrus Punch cleaving. Oh my god.
faceless void's backtrack doesn't seem to work on hp removal so he can't backtrack stuff like necrolyte's aura or ultimate
well tough may the name mythbusters is sometimes may not realy fitting for the things shown i still think for newbies and not veteran players its realy helpful to show this kind of mechanics and stuff to let em learn more about the game.
I have a myth:
Tusk and all allied heroes in the Snowball form are invulnerable, not including the impact.
It's not the same thing .. Sylla's Bear cannot attack while on the other side of the map.. The ONLY way you can farm and push with the bear from a distance is by having radiance on bear .. On PL, on the other hand, illusions can attack wherever they are, so other damage items help with pushing and farming maybe even more than radiance..
i hope more people would know about the avalance toss combo, to many people in pubs just use toss to throw a creep in before stunning
well, i've seen some people saying that i'm right on this one but... can void backtrack walrus punch? since it has nothing to do with evading the attack or blocking damage, but a healing before damage, i guess void CAN
The doom effect is still applied, though, he just backtracks the initial tick of damage.
"Everyone already knows the tiny skill combo to be true."
Well evidently they don't. I just watched one of TotalBiscuit's hyper incompetent single draft disasters with Siren. I'm pretty sure if I asked him whether Tiny did more damage using Avalanche before or after Toss, he wouldn't have the foggiest.
"Don't be a fanboy."
This is on par with me telling you not to be a troll. Maybe they could make it a monthly thing, but I believe this incarnation to be more useful to more people.
Myth: (from original dota) While crystal maiden is using ulti before it ends activiate ghost scepter and the duration resets.
From the illusions auras myth i got this one: Desolate -6 armour can be activated with illusions.
Yes, it never misses.
i dont know if tinys 3rd skill will stun juggernaut during ultimate but yurnero is not invincible during omnislash so i think 3rd skill may work
Well, this is true. What I was actually wondering is if the arrow (or hook) would have been destroyed or would have proceeded with no problems, "passing through" Storm Spirit.
My friend was messing around in a pub game playing Tusk with 4 Cleavers and a Magnus buff. The cleave damage was funny from stealth...
that tiny myth is known from the wc3 dota, because the enemy 'flies' 2 times through the avalanche, one time up and one time down ;)
Dismember works on: (List of creeps and summons) and Sven.
Shallow Grave buff will prevent hero from DYING at all cost, the only reason Culling Blade from Axe able to kill hero with Shallow Grave buff because it remove the buff before make a damage. -Same case with Abaddon Ultimate-
Does tusks walrus punch have a chance to double crit if you have a crit item
good episode again
dont forget it has a cool animation! it is one of the normal attacks that has a cool animation
pls any1 explain it to me. i know jugg attacked during ult in dota 1 but does it has been fixed in dota 2? i mean he should but i remember that he didn't use normal attack during ult in dota 2 - i saw mythbusters earlier (no idea ep number) where it was confirmed that he's not attacking.. ufff, ty in advanve sry 4 my eng
Here's a myth I came up with:
Will anyone who can see medusa's ulti through wards be affected?
lol at 2:33
Why else would Battle Furry be a suggested item for Tusk?
People from DOTA know it (most of them, and that you can add attacks with IAS) but newer players probably wouldn't.
its still good knowledge for those that don't play as much dota as us, or played since dota 1
I just came here to rewind "Pudge's fresh meat haven" over and over again.
When timbersaw uses his Whirling Death on Treant, will it deal clean damage?
that walrus punch cleave was beautiful
I'm pretty sure lifesteal (including vlads) doesn't work on illusions. Illusions carry all auras from the hero and they will work on units around them, but the illusions themself do not profit from them. Some (visual!) effects like lifesteal work on illus, but that's only so the enemy doesnt find out which is the real one, the illu doesnt actually get any hp back.
mythbusters should get it straight tbh...or what's the point ;).
The most obvious is Illusion aura stack. if it true they stacks, the most imba heroes will be PL with Radiance, dealing 80 x 10 = 800 dps
2:20 Chipmunk Pudge : ** AH FRESH MEAT~**
Whoever submitted that aura one clearly hasn't played PL too much.
If a hero die with aegis and then ressurect, all under effect of AA's Ice blast, he will not ressurect with full HP, but the hp when he die. It happens in dota 1.
Yeah there's that and also his dependence on mana so thats why I always saw bfury as a core item in dota 1 on tusk
I find it hard to believe anyone actually thought auras don't carry onto illusions.
This is the part where a bunch of people claim that it's not shit, and then you call them fanboys.
No, it's not terribly done.
If Chen teleports Enchantress back well while Impetus is in the air, will the attack hit 2000+ dmg? It worked in Dota1 but does it work in Dota2?
If you have two refreshers, Can you use them simultaneously over and over again?
Magic Wand charges wont be given if spell casted by creep, controlled by Chen or Enchantress.
AFAIK it works (at least it did in WC3), but only with the little damage most illusions really deal.
but then what i heard is no matter you toss or avalanche first, as long as you cast them together, avalanche will do double damage; and about the experiment outcome, how do you explain the damage is only 50hp in difference?
Don't think so. Isn't Necrolyte's heartstopper aura also HP Removal?
about the tiny myth: wasn't it the other way around? toss before ava?
Not sure if running out of myths or people are just getting better at DotA :D
Pudge can cast his ultimate on ANY organic unit?
Well the last time I tried to dismember my own courier, it didn't work...
2:12
Fresh meat
Fresh meat everywhere
obvious well known dota mechanics: mythbusters version
Necro creeps are like ancients, he cant devour them
Walrus Punch can not miss, therefore all evasion skills/items wont work, even if Tusk is under Tinker's Laser.
mask of madness is lifesteal but it doesn't stack with desolator, thus proving you wrong.
Radiance aura is carried by PL's illusions, but does not stack with itself.
So... what if Pudge dies from hooking a Nyx? as in, he dies from the hook damage reflect. Does Nyx still get pulled in?
actually,everybody will get a assist count like" SSS(Zeus) has been killed! the gold has been shared..."
It hap[pens when you run out of myth content. I mean these vids could only last for so long until you've touched up on all of them.
omg that speeded pudge voice so cute PLEASE MAKE THIS VOICE IN STORE!!!
no. yurnero is TOTALLY invincible during omnislash.
i love it when pudge dismembers everything with that helium infested voice. they should make an announcer pack ou of that. xD
I think dmg depends from when she shots, not when she is when the imp touches the enemy
Me too, but i guess there are lots of new players and players who migrated to lol and hon and since returned to dota
the tiny one is obvious. because it does dmg flies in air then does dmg again when you land
Hey, so is this a bad thing to close auto-attack when playing Juggernut?
well since hes a ganker he has urn and medallion as options to help with mana which for someone like him isnt bad. also if hes mid like i feel he should be so he can freely gank a bottle wouldnt be a bad choice. the fury is a decent to cleave his ult but the only problem i have with it is that it makes the little kiddies feel hes a carry which he is so far from a carry
Pudge: "I think that's enough meat for one day."
This is actually in one of the previous episodes.
So if you get purge from a diffusal blade, and you diffusal blade yourself would the game blow up?
Does Tusk's ult also cleave with Runed Cleaver?
No.... secundary targets (cleaved units) does not receive any orbs effects on atacking... no lifesteal, desolator, etc, etc
Isn't this the same as Split Shot and Chemical Rage's transformation completely evading most projectiles?
Um,about jugg attack while omnislash,dunno why but i think i saw that one in some episode pf mythbusters...
P.S. really guys this doesnt have to be weekly. Just take your time and gather some really interesting myths to submit,because mostly it's 90% myths are obvious things that sometimes can even be read in spell description,and 10% are really interestin unknown mechanics...
i´m waiting for more cast´s from you guys !! wasn´t there another tournament final you were going to cast ??? don´t even care if it´s a final just cast something.. the most fun i had was watching the hon cast´s a while back ! :D not that hardcore pro shit.. pure fun with cast on the side !
Homing Missile does NOT work on invisible units (Including stun AND damage)!
Yes, he does :D It's one of his voice responses