It's actually not a mid-block, it's a bona fide big block, with unfortunately small bores (usually 4.0 to 4.05), except for the 428 (4.13) and 427 (4.23, if I remember right). The only "mid block" Fords are the 351M (an unholy 400 block with a 351 crank) and 400. They're really just tall deck, 2V Clevelands.
@@Cuttyman9 I've seen several 434-ish FEs on tv, You Tube, magazines, etc. That's a darned good size. A 427 block with 428 crank makes a 454, but good luck finding a 427 block (for under 2 grand). Beyond 434, finding big enough heads would be an issue, but that's what boost is for, lol.
Donell Muniz compared to a 385 series it’s a mid block. Windsor’s can get to 418 on a stock block. The 385 series can be brought all the way out to 555 without an aftermarket block so 434 isn’t anything special but due to its large architecture it’s not really small but it’s also not really big.
@@richardholdener1727, someone suggested the Torker 2 intake on an SR-71 headed 557. Isn't this old technology, or is it a good intake? I cant find anything on it anywhere. Can you compare it against other intakes like the Victor and Air-Gap?
Killer motor, it’s amazing the potential, I would have liked to see an intermediate step with the 557 bottom end with the Ported heads and cam from the first video
I wish you had gone for the Torque Monster version in the middle of the series. The 600hp mods + 557 cubes + and RPM Air Gap intake. That might have been the ultimate Ford Mud Truck engine. Great Job.
You should ask brule what he would really like to see and do. He has seen and done more then we can imagine. He pry has some crazy combination in his head that he would like to try
Chris Tuttle - 351 Windsor was a truck engine that Ford stuck us (US) with when they stopped the Cleveland. While companies have developed parts that make the Windsor work, the 351 Cleveland was a VASTLY superior engine. Just look at what the Aussies have done with the Cleveland. They have 351 Cleveland based engines making over 900 HP NA on pump gas!
You basically built my motor Richard ...the only difference was, i installed 4 bolt main caps...Now i dont need to dyno it...lol I feel the minimal Gain with the tunnel Ram was a Testament to just how "Good" the Trickflow Single 4 barrel was..i enjoyed this..
By the way love the videos. Love seeing all the different combos. Too many channels focus on GMC and nothing against them but it is nice to see someone making awesome power from something other than just LS LS LS. Kind of like ice cream vanilla is great but everyone once in a while you need to throw in some seven layer bar Ben and Jerry's just to remember life is full of possibilities.
Hey Richard, You are a part of my morning routine (since this virus garbage started) and while I know that every engine is more or less the same, I’d love seeing the small block magnum and 440 tests especially with boost. No one is doing what you are doing on UA-cam and most certainly not anything mopar. Have a great day and keep em coming!
As they say, it doesn't matter what is written on the valve covers. Great build. Now I need to scrounge up another dominator because Richard says every big block needs a tunnel ram and every tunnel ram needs a pair of dominators ;-)
Good evening, Richard, all the way from West Wales, UK. I like your videos, with the accurate info and dyno results. The Ford 400M was so enlightening, because I had a 400M ( ex Lincoln ) in my 71 Mustang, which we used to do a 6 day blast through Europe, going south to Nice, Monaco, ( for the vintage Grand Prix ) and then onto the Normandy Beaches, including Juno. That is one tough engine. It was an organised run with many prizes, we got the cup for the most petrol ( gas ) used. about $1800 in 6 days !! PS, Have you ever heard of the Schlumph collection ?? We visited there for a day. Amazing.
I have a 870 hp pump gas 582 BBC Chev with AFR heads but boy Ford BB’s make some serious power. They appear to do it with less cubes and intake port volume/ valve size.
Love this Engine Combination. Would have liked 2 see 👀 a pair of Jon Kasse heads on this Combination.... SR 71 heads or the Kasse Boss Hemi Head Xcellent Richard . Thx 4 the Build . Real sweet 😋
Too bad not more iron 429CJ heads around to test with. They were awesome when ported on my 490 (460), along with tunnel ram, etc. in the 1970's jet boat. I know not serious unless a Vdrive!
Only problem with BB boat power, the fuel consumption, especially with twins. The speed is nice, but the cruising distance takes a hit. 300gal of fuel would get us about 225mi with a pair of 454s in V-drives.
Nice job on the big block Ford I am a big block Ford guy myself and done a lot of testing also talked to all the big block Ford Guru guys and they all say the tunnel Ram is worth 30 to 60 horsepower depending on camshaft so you are pretty much in the range
Tom McTernan's Pro Gas Mustang He raced Pro Gas 8.90 index at Sacramento Raceway back in the early 80's. The engine was a 460 with iron 429 Cobra jet heads. He copied what was being done to some 351 Clevland heads and machined off the exhaust ports then raised the exhaust ports with an aluminum plate. His Mustang was on the front cover of many car magazines. The headlines were something like "it runs 8.90's on a single 4 barrel." He ran a Lenco transmission. On the Ford 460 forum he said he thought it could turn an 8.50.
Awesome Awesome vid !!! I'm a FORD guy for life . I've built numerous builds . I started out bulidin and draggin the foxbodys , notchbacks . They've always been my favorite . Then later in life I jumped into the BB scene . I bought my first 460 block and punched it out to a 557 just like you did . Had all the goodies Super Cobra Jet heads ( the revised ones by Kasse ) but ended up trading it for a blown GT with all the goodies . Had a Vortec V2 . It wuz definitely a powerhouse . I really loved your vid . Thanks much .
Really awesome ! Wish you would have tried the 557 with the stock or ported 460 heads and a more street table cam ! Great job. Please try a 390 and 429 some time
Love the Ford content, more please! How about revisit the 351C and compare mild street builds starting with 2V heads. I just so happen to know somebody that owns one lol!
Great video, as always! I have a request; I would love to hear the sound of the engines before the dyno pulls (lopey idles, and throwing an unloaded Rev) Who doesn't love the sound of a lumpy Cam and a high revving engine singing unloaded...lol Thanks Richard;)
Rich, you do such a fantastic job at everything! Thank you for all of your grueling work at all of this. You are careful to be very polite and do lots of Chevy stuff. So, I laughed out when you contributed to the soreness between the factions with the Chevy headers crack. I noticed the various crossover points at the various levels 350 factory, 437, 550, and 735 ish at 5250. I know rpm is a great way to increase torque. However, what could be done with boost to push a stock manifold to create Earth shredding torque to 5250? What if horsepower was great but no mods would be done unless it also added torque from the basement? Maybe that’s a subject of focus in the future? Thanks man.
Hey great video, great build. Used to drive stock truck with this engine mostly for towing. Always thought it would be a great base to build up from. I appreciate your hard work, special sound effects, and using what ya have available to get videos posted for us to learn from and enjoy.
I Love the 429-460 FORD Engines. Gotta 1986 Mustang I've since 1994 was an original 5.0 LX, Has seen a few different Engine Combos. First up was a Mild Build Up of a 1969 351 Windsor, went High 12,s Then i built a 1972 351 Cleveland, still on the Mild Side, Hyd. Cam, Ported Australian Heads, went Mid to High 11,s Now it has a 521 Stroked 460, Going Low to Mid Nines, N/A through a 1000 cfm Carburetor, Mild Solid Roller, Out of the Box Trickflow Street/Strip Heads on 275/60 Drag Radials. Engine was built about 10 years ago. I Love the Low End Torque the Big Block FORD Produces. My Car will Always be BBF Powered, Don't want to Buy another set of Headers, Last set for the Big Block were little over $1,100, Kooks Stainless Steel, the Fit of the Big Block is Very Good in the Fox Body Mustangs. Actually fits Better than the Cleveland. And actually Lost just over 100 lbs. Over the Cleveland Swap, Cleveland had Iron Heads. When i did the Big Block Swap, Also upgraded the Front and Rear Suspension with UPR Chromemoly Rear Adjustable Control Arms, Rear Anti-Roll Bar, Front Tubular K-Member, Control Arms, Coil Over Shocks. And the Big Block has Aluminum Heads, the Cleveland had Iron Heads. Like i said the Big Block has Incredible Torque. I'm also a Big Cleveland Fan, i do miss the High Winding, High RPM, Cleveland. Also the 429-460 Engines have an Incredibly Strong Foundation to start with. One thing is for certain, You will Never see a LS, Small, or Big Block Chevy Under the Hood of my Mustang. Had it since 1994, and Don't plan on getting rid of it any time soon. You can make a Big Block FORD compete against any Big Block Chevy anytime, might just have to Spend a Little More Money to do so, but it's Well worth it. I'm Loving my 521 Stroked 460. Shifting it at 7,000 RPM With my Built C-4. Like i said I'm a Big FORD Guy. The Only thing that's gonna upset me is that I'm on the Verge of putting a Powerglide in it. The 2-Speed is gonna help me getting off the Line with the Drag Radials, and also the Powerglide can be built to handle a Bunch more Power. Been thinking about doing a Large Single Turbo for a Few Years now, when Funds Become Available. I'm really liking the Garrett GTX5533R in the 94mm or 98mm Size. Or the Garrett GTX5544R in 102mm or 106mm. Most likely be going 102mm or 106mm. But that will be in the Future. How About strapping a Big Single Turbo on this 557 c.i. Beast that you Built Up in this Video ???
Hello Richard , would have been interesting fitting a 1150cfm or 1280 on the 4 barrel combination , see if there was 12hp gain bigger 4 barrel carb other wise nice piece . Heads great 460cfm
Quench not pistons zero decked but .005 out of the deck protrusion. Then area rule the combustion chamber. Or use the groove method of Ben Alameda:) The groove in the combustion chamber makes sure the fuel air charge in the quench pad section is ignited. Making sure the entire charge is ignited. There’s still some in the ring land section that’s wasted, but check out the Ben Alameda V-Groove technique I’ll send the link
I like the first version with the factory heads ported. Cheap power that noone can see! Basically a stock motor with cam and head improvement! Great combo for an old F150!
Awesome 🍎 Sauce ! 👌🏻🙂👍🏻 Is there any chances of running this thing @ 12.5:1 on "poor's people" 93 octane ? It does have aluminium heads🤔. I think it would make for an awesome N/A Jet Boat engine.😎
Might be possible but you would have to take a ton of timing out of it to the point where you would you lose a lot of power. Probably would also run hotter but that probably wouldn’t be an issue in a boat.
Maybe the difference between the hp curves comparing the two tunnel rammed setups was the cam difference and the Wilson work on chevy manifold ? Probably be fun ( and expensive ) to try a cam grind on the ford to match the chevy and send the tunnel ram ( and heads if they don't have that head data) and then see if they are much closer in power curves. I was really surprised the tunnel ram didn't make more difference from 4500 to 6k. Great work as usual- always pick up something. Wish i could pick your brain on the q16 since you used it on the chevy, also wondering if you used it with the Ford. We tried at test & tune without nearly as good of luck.
Pulls up the first dyno graph, dosen't say anything about the damn near 500 ft lbs at 2500 rpm, dude, that is nutz. Richard, I still have a MMFF issue with your Silver State flying brick blower mustang in my closet. Keep doing what you do, it's an awesome resource, everyone loves it. The only way is up, my brother! WAAAAAAAA!
Love it.....I once mud raced against a guy with a bronco ll that had a 385 series with tunnel ram. All 4 tires actually became airborne when it launched off the line lol. It would hop all 4 44" swampers off the ground then take off like a bat out of hell when dude let off the trans break.
I LOVE tunnel rams! I have taken two bolt blocks and made them 4 bolt splayed. There are cap kits just for that...for Chevies anyway. I had to do a little machining and honeing, but it took really good power.
Very cool. I’m thinking another point or point and a half compression and 10 degrees more duration on the cam would’ve yielded that 4 digit power n/a. I’d love to see more big hp n/a sbf and bbf combos.
Had an 85 Fox late 80s with the 460/C6 combo. Biggest problem was keeping it cool and header gaskets..forget it. Quick car though. Had to sell it due to "test only' ca smog.
nice combo, great effects, I have never owned a big block, but I want my first one to be one of those 632's i see in the magazines, seems like a good deal for a big engine then boost it.
Making the same fair build the 460 Ford will put out more hp and torque than a 454 c every time. Remember the torque numbers are the real power numbers.
Nice test although I also was surprised that the tunnel ram didn’t pick up more. No way the extra cost (manifold, extra carb, fuel lines, linkage) plus tuning would justify such a small gain. If I spent the $ to perform this upgrade and only picked up ~30 HP I would not be a happy camper.
I wish I still had my 429. I am considering a 460 in a 4x4 F250 or F350. I would want a hydraulic roller though. Have you done a large cubic inch 460 with good heads and a hydraulic roller? This one is a monster but too much for me. Lol.
Hey richard! Salutation. Well i am was thinking of how to do a mild performance tune for a 460 ford and make 500 torque and 550 hp. How would i am accomplish that for a 2nd gen camaro that is my momma's. Never mind Thanks Holdener! i am just watched the video! hahahahahhah Well i am keeping the cubic inch though at 460 ish cubes, maybe a large overbore. LOL very fun video! Thanks. P.S. Also looking at the 400M.
I bought the same heads and 557 stroker kit.. ive been wandering what cam to run... you just made my mind up!! ANY WAY YOU CAN SHARE exact part number for the cam your using to get the 900+ hp? springs, rockers, etc???? Please share!! As always Richard your videos rock!!! Tons of information.. You actually build what most of us poor bastard wish we could build in our sleep.. Keep it up. Please share your cam and parts list for this engine please... you can even email me the numbers if you want. i will reply
Appreciate all the 460 stuff lately! My friend is building his (70s ford f250 ranger). Hopefully he uses this info rather than build it wrong for his needs/want 🤣
Richard, have you thought about throwing a large ProCharger on this Ford big block as you mentioned before boost is always better, curious to see the numbers vs the nitrous fed.
i like seeing the stroker 385 series as i will be doing the same for my wifes truck 4x4 f250, but probably more budget/less flow on the top end so it makes a big torque number at a low rpm
I wish more BBF heads had chevy pattern header options. It is a struggle sometimes to find a good header. Also you should try some of kasse sr71 heads and maybe Boss 9s.
Would be interesting if you posted the over lay for this Ford 557 vs the Chevy 565 to see how the 2 differ. Ford has smaller bore but longer stroke 4.40x4.50 vs Chevy 4.60x4.25 Seems like they both peeked hp around the same rpm - same as the torque.
One of these would be such a cool motor to put in a hard top Lincoln Continental with an intake and carb or intake and 4150 style TB to fit under the hood. Certainly not a max effort high HP style build but built for low end HP and cruising power.
Love it all. Have you done any 5.4 mods? I have a 99 lightning that I've thought about pulling the supercharger and putting a couple turbos on. It has a JLP bulletproof short block and trickflow twisted wedge heads and cams and Bassani Competition R exhaust but still the stock Eaton. Its just waiting for more boost 💪
I'd love to see a pump gas Big Bang series. Race gas is good, but how much power can you run on a stock block pump gas 4.8/5.3/6.0/454/351w or whatever Richard gets his hands on.
@@richardholdener1727 That is exactly what I had in mind. To see what is what is the safe limit for daily driving, now that we know what can be reached with race gas.
Not a Ford lover, but I've always liked the 460. I think I remember reading somewhere that the BBF was designed by the same engineer who had headed Chevrolet's big block design team. BTW, what make nitrous initially spike like that?
Steve Elco - agree, probably high bottle pressure. That’s why you see racers purge to get to the desired PSI. The dyno chart really shows why this is so important.
@@danmyers9372 … Purging definitely gets rid of any high tank pressure concerns very quickly. It also has a very dramatic effect on the crowds reaction during the starting line staging show 🏁.
It’s be nice if you had a parts list and specs in the description. What do you do with these engines when you are done testing, I’d love to have this in my jet boat!!!
For the extra cost of the tunnel ram and two dominators, plus the extra tuning maintenance that comes with that, couldn’t you basically split the power difference with a bump in compression and a single carb? It’s already over 12:1, so pump gas is out. Why not go 14:1 on a single carb? I know that’s a lot of cylinder pressure if you add nitrous, but I’m talking n/a to n/a.
Hi Richard! Is it possible to put 2pcs of Holley Sniper on a TunnelRam? Air fuel mix precision by fuelinjection, and lots of Air and Fuel fore the POWER 💪. Keep up the good dynoing
I don't think it would hold up to boost. The torque from boost will rip that stock bottom end apart. You would have to address that first. In these NA builds he's only hitting around 750ft-lbs, that would go way up even under mild boost, those rods might be good for it but the block likely isn't.
What kind of valve train did you run? Stud girdle? What roller rockers/ratio??????? Pushrod info/ interference issues or anything like that? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks!
Hey, Rich, I know ya like the big numbers, but I wonder if you could revisit this 557 as a low-end torque motor for a 4x4, tow truck, motorhome, Lincoln Mk V, etc. I'd like to see an iron headed 557 make about 700 lb ft, at around 2500 rpm!
Impressive but I know you only have 91 octane pump gas out there and I didn't hear you mention what kind of fuel used in this one. So what kind of fuel do you use for 12 and 1/2 to 1 compression?
Richard l have a Question 4U should u have the time ⏲️ to answer. The GM 632 Crate Motor. 1004 hp & 876 tq . Would a Fabricated Manifold change increase the performance that much without any other changes other than the Manifold & ×2 Carburetors . Efi set up . Ur thoughts & expirence would be Appreciated. Cheers Robert Australia 🇦🇺
@@richardholdener1727 Cheers Richard. Always u2 watching u on UA-cam. U have a very sensible 👍 approach. A head(s) that l would love ❤️ 2 see u review is the , Hammerhead Performance Hemi Head out of Georgia, USA . Greg the Designer of the Head has been ringing its neck in N/A format . Would be Gr8 2 see someone else do a Supercharger Engine just 2 see how this head performs. Keep up the gr8 work. 👍 Cheers Richard. 🍻 Robert 👍 😀
I had an 06 P71 Crown Vic I loved except it was underpowered. A 557" BBF would do the trick I am sure. It's an idea I have been kicking around for awhile, I am sure the 385 series would fit in the engine bay of a panther chassis.
Very surprised the TR only added 40 hp vs the single 1,050. It would be interesting to know the vac that was being pulled with both of them ? Did the CNC'd A-460's come straight from Trick-Flow ? I have a 950 hp @ 7,200 565" BBF A-460 headed ( single 1,050). Someday I'll get it back to Westech and run it with both the old style ( tall TR) and the new style to see what it does. I'd be hoping for more than a 40 hp gain.
I had the same thoughts. No way the extra cost of the manifold, carbs, linkage, fuel lines and timing would be worth 30-40 HP. That single plane must be working really well. Vac below the carb would tell all.
Ok, I have a dumb idea and I’ll probably end up building it but wanted some help with parts selection. So my game plan is to build a stick shift drag and drive car. Being that it’s a stick shift, I’d like to limit torque some. Thinking a pro charged 429 and run all the good top end stuff off this motor. With a aluminum eleminator block and priority main oiling what rocker setup would you use and how far could I rev it ?
@@richardholdener1727 maybe not all of it… but I feel I’ll eventually get there 😂 I mean I could spring for a t&d setup if needed, I had one on my fe engine… just trying to bounce ideas off someone who’s been there… also… should I just not bother and build a coyote ? Or am I still looking at the same ti valves just twice as many etc etc…
The sound effects definitely spot on lol
John Woodworth : Word!
Can I upload my own sound effects
i'm taking nite classes on sound bites-I'm not doing well in class
Richard Holdener the sounds effects are spot on for imports mr 😎
@@richardholdener1727 does not sound like a 557 BBF! Maybe a little deeper from the gut LOL
Rich would love to see a 390 mid block Ford built on the other guys series. Keep it up I love it all.
what i just saw was speed master has a big stroker crank for FEs too, it would be a match made in heaven!
It's actually not a mid-block, it's a bona fide big block, with unfortunately small bores (usually 4.0 to 4.05), except for the 428 (4.13) and 427 (4.23, if I remember right). The only "mid block" Fords are the 351M (an unholy 400 block with a 351 crank) and 400. They're really just tall deck, 2V Clevelands.
@@Cuttyman9 I've seen several 434-ish FEs on tv, You Tube, magazines, etc. That's a darned good size. A 427 block with 428 crank makes a 454, but good luck finding a 427 block (for under 2 grand). Beyond 434, finding big enough heads would be an issue, but that's what boost is for, lol.
Donell Muniz compared to a 385 series it’s a mid block. Windsor’s can get to 418 on a stock block.
The 385 series can be brought all the way out to 555 without an aftermarket block so 434 isn’t anything special but due to its large architecture it’s not really small but it’s also not really big.
Build ANY FE combo.
Blair Patrick won old iron class at engine masters.
360/390 block
428 crank. 410 combo!
Man...I wish had a job like this, testing motors all day, listening to that sweet symphony of all those motors. Love this channel🤘😎
Thank you very much!
@@richardholdener1727, someone suggested the Torker 2 intake on an SR-71 headed 557. Isn't this old technology, or is it a good intake? I cant find anything on it anywhere. Can you compare it against other intakes like the Victor and Air-Gap?
Thanks Richard! Love seeing the 385 series represented. Keep em coming!
I'm not going to get caught up in the Ford/Chevy battle. Thank god for any badass V8
@Steve Gregg The older I get the more I am liking all v8's. Don't know anything about the AMC v8, were they any good?
Now let's see what this can do with the twin eBay turbo setup from the 454.
Let’s see a 557 with twin turbos. Could it hit 1500hp or more? Would an FMCC or aftermarket block be needed?
With boost that's 2,000 hp worth of motor. I would be surprised if the 2 bolt mains could handle that.
This BBC guy is jealous of the factory 385 series Ford block , two nice engine builds 👍
Killer motor, it’s amazing the potential, I would have liked to see an intermediate step with the 557 bottom end with the Ported heads and cam from the first video
That would have required pistons. A460 heads require a specific piston due to the valve angles.
@@meteor5452 I think he meant the ported factory iron heads, not the A460s.
I wish you had gone for the Torque Monster version in the middle of the series. The 600hp mods + 557 cubes + and RPM Air Gap intake.
That might have been the ultimate Ford Mud Truck engine.
Great Job.
I have other 557 combos
@@richardholdener1727 Do any of them have Boost????
Please share more of the 557 combos!!!!
You should ask brule what he would really like to see and do. He has seen and done more then we can imagine. He pry has some crazy combination in his head that he would like to try
I'm more of a fan of a screaming SBF but I do love me a big thumper like this BBF. Great video, sir.
Jeremy Murphy : me too. Fords best engine was the 460 IMHO.
@@dj4monie. Ever heard of the 351 Windsor?
Chris Tuttle - 351 Windsor was a truck engine that Ford stuck us (US) with when they stopped the Cleveland. While companies have developed parts that make the Windsor work, the 351 Cleveland was a VASTLY superior engine. Just look at what the Aussies have done with the Cleveland. They have 351 Cleveland based engines making over 900 HP NA on pump gas!
@@danmyers9372 the 351w was introduced before the 351c...
big screaming 460 would be cooler
You basically built my motor Richard ...the only difference was, i installed 4 bolt main caps...Now i dont need to dyno it...lol I feel the minimal Gain with the tunnel Ram was a Testament to just how "Good" the Trickflow Single 4 barrel was..i enjoyed this..
The fords love big cam. Bigger cam and more rpm you can go 1025ish for sure.
I would love to see a mild 557 built for pump gas with a flat tappet hydraulic cam that will work with a 3000 stall converter.
By the way love the videos. Love seeing all the different combos. Too many channels focus on GMC and nothing against them but it is nice to see someone making awesome power from something other than just LS LS LS. Kind of like ice cream vanilla is great but everyone once in a while you need to throw in some seven layer bar Ben and Jerry's just to remember life is full of possibilities.
Then there are the 'equal' comparisons where the Ford has a flat tappet cam, the Chevy has a roller cam with even more lift and a bigger carb, lol...
Hey Richard,
You are a part of my morning routine (since this virus garbage started) and while I know that every engine is more or less the same, I’d love seeing the small block magnum and 440 tests especially with boost. No one is doing what you are doing on UA-cam and most certainly not anything mopar. Have a great day and keep em coming!
440 IS COMING UP
As they say, it doesn't matter what is written on the valve covers. Great build. Now I need to scrounge up another dominator because Richard says every big block needs a tunnel ram and every tunnel ram needs a pair of dominators ;-)
the best things come in pairs!
Good evening, Richard, all the way from West Wales, UK. I like your videos, with the accurate info and dyno results. The Ford 400M was so enlightening, because I had a 400M ( ex Lincoln ) in my 71 Mustang, which we used to do a 6 day blast through Europe, going south to Nice, Monaco, ( for the vintage Grand Prix ) and then onto the Normandy Beaches, including Juno. That is one tough engine. It was an organised run with many prizes, we got the cup for the most petrol ( gas ) used. about $1800 in 6 days !! PS, Have you ever heard of the Schlumph collection ?? We visited there for a day. Amazing.
I have a 870 hp pump gas 582 BBC Chev with AFR heads but boy Ford BB’s make some serious power. They appear to do it with less cubes and intake port volume/ valve size.
Love this Engine Combination.
Would have liked 2 see 👀 a pair of Jon Kasse heads on this Combination....
SR 71 heads or the Kasse Boss Hemi Head
Xcellent Richard .
Thx 4 the Build .
Real sweet 😋
How bout a turbo on a 460?! That's the im wanting to build
Devin Berry check out maverick with 460 turbo.
But the block wouldn't have survived!
@@terryanderson9936 I seen it about three years ago
@@LukeSportsman 460 blocks are pretty rugged, I'm told. 1000 hp shouldn't be a problem. Just dont hit the button too soon, lol.
That's a recipe for broken transmissions. Do it!
With the iron heads. such a great boat motor. run all day, open loop cooling to keep the heads cool at 5500RPM
Too bad not more iron 429CJ heads around to test with. They were awesome when ported on my 490 (460), along with tunnel ram, etc. in the 1970's jet boat. I know not serious unless a Vdrive!
Only problem with BB boat power, the fuel consumption, especially with twins. The speed is nice, but the cruising distance takes a hit. 300gal of fuel would get us about 225mi with a pair of 454s in V-drives.
Do you have a Chevron Platinum Card, or your own oil well? 😄
Nice job on the big block Ford I am a big block Ford guy myself and done a lot of testing also talked to all the big block Ford Guru guys and they all say the tunnel Ram is worth 30 to 60 horsepower depending on camshaft so you are pretty much in the range
Tom McTernan's Pro Gas Mustang
He raced Pro Gas 8.90 index at Sacramento Raceway back in the early 80's.
The engine was a 460 with iron 429 Cobra jet heads.
He copied what was being done to some 351 Clevland heads and machined off the exhaust ports then raised the exhaust ports with an aluminum plate.
His Mustang was on the front cover of many car magazines.
The headlines were something like "it runs 8.90's on a single 4 barrel."
He ran a Lenco transmission. On the Ford 460 forum he said he thought it could turn an 8.50.
Awesome Awesome vid !!! I'm a FORD guy for life . I've built numerous builds . I started out bulidin and draggin the foxbodys , notchbacks . They've always been my favorite . Then later in life I jumped into the BB scene . I bought my first 460 block and punched it out to a 557 just like you did . Had all the goodies Super Cobra Jet heads ( the revised ones by Kasse ) but ended up trading it for a blown GT with all the goodies . Had a Vortec V2 . It wuz definitely a powerhouse . I really loved your vid . Thanks much .
Richard you should throw one of these engines in a car an hit the track one time 👍🏻🤘🏻
Great video .....like to see more cam in this combo.
it could use more
@@richardholdener1727 Man, you guys live in a different universe than I do, when .800 lift and 274@050 ain't big enough! Wow!
Keep 'em coming Richard! I loved the sound effects! I want to see you make 1000 hp on a Mopar 273 Commando LOL!!!!
I'm a ford guy but never really was a 460 but after seeing these results might actually think about building one
Really awesome ! Wish you would have tried the 557 with the stock or ported 460 heads and a more street table cam ! Great job. Please try a 390 and 429 some time
Love the Ford content, more please! How about revisit the 351C and compare mild street builds starting with 2V heads. I just so happen to know somebody that owns one lol!
Great video, as always!
I have a request; I would love to hear the sound of the engines before the dyno pulls (lopey idles, and throwing an unloaded Rev)
Who doesn't love the sound of a lumpy Cam and a high revving engine singing unloaded...lol
Thanks Richard;)
Rich, you do such a fantastic job at everything! Thank you for all of your grueling work at all of this.
You are careful to be very polite and do lots of Chevy stuff. So, I laughed out when you contributed to the soreness between the factions with the Chevy headers crack.
I noticed the various crossover points at the various levels 350 factory, 437, 550, and 735 ish at 5250.
I know rpm is a great way to increase torque. However, what could be done with boost to push a stock manifold to create Earth shredding torque to 5250? What if horsepower was great but no mods would be done unless it also added torque from the basement? Maybe that’s a subject of focus in the future?
Thanks man.
Not a Ford guy, but I am totally Impressed. Keep up the great videos and the engine noises are kool.
Thanks 👍
Hey great video, great build. Used to drive stock truck with this engine mostly for towing. Always thought it would be a great base to build up from. I appreciate your hard work, special sound effects, and using what ya have available to get videos posted for us to learn from and enjoy.
I Love the 429-460 FORD Engines. Gotta 1986 Mustang I've since 1994 was an original 5.0 LX, Has seen a few different Engine Combos. First up was a Mild Build Up of a 1969 351 Windsor, went High 12,s Then i built a 1972 351 Cleveland, still on the Mild Side, Hyd. Cam, Ported Australian Heads, went Mid to High 11,s Now it has a 521 Stroked 460, Going Low to Mid Nines, N/A through a 1000 cfm Carburetor, Mild Solid Roller, Out of the Box Trickflow Street/Strip Heads on 275/60 Drag Radials. Engine was built about 10 years ago. I Love the Low End Torque the Big Block FORD Produces. My Car will Always be BBF Powered, Don't want to Buy another set of Headers, Last set for the Big Block were little over $1,100, Kooks Stainless Steel, the Fit of the Big Block is Very Good in the Fox Body Mustangs. Actually fits Better than the Cleveland. And actually Lost just over 100 lbs. Over the Cleveland Swap, Cleveland had Iron Heads. When i did the Big Block Swap, Also upgraded the Front and Rear Suspension with UPR Chromemoly Rear Adjustable Control Arms, Rear Anti-Roll Bar, Front Tubular K-Member, Control Arms, Coil Over Shocks. And the Big Block has Aluminum Heads, the Cleveland had Iron Heads. Like i said the Big Block has Incredible Torque. I'm also a Big Cleveland Fan, i do miss the High Winding, High RPM, Cleveland. Also the 429-460 Engines have an Incredibly Strong Foundation to start with. One thing is for certain, You will Never see a LS, Small, or Big Block Chevy Under the Hood of my Mustang. Had it since 1994, and Don't plan on getting rid of it any time soon. You can make a Big Block FORD compete against any Big Block Chevy anytime, might just have to Spend a Little More Money to do so, but it's Well worth it. I'm Loving my 521 Stroked 460. Shifting it at 7,000 RPM With my Built C-4. Like i said I'm a Big FORD Guy. The Only thing that's gonna upset me is that I'm on the Verge of putting a Powerglide in it. The 2-Speed is gonna help me getting off the Line with the Drag Radials, and also the Powerglide can be built to handle a Bunch more Power. Been thinking about doing a Large Single Turbo for a Few Years now, when Funds Become Available. I'm really liking the Garrett GTX5533R in the 94mm or 98mm Size. Or the Garrett GTX5544R in 102mm or 106mm. Most likely be going 102mm or 106mm. But that will be in the Future. How About strapping a Big Single Turbo on this 557 c.i. Beast that you Built Up in this Video ???
nice combos
@@richardholdener1727 Thanks. Enjoying your Videos, Keep em coming.
Good job Richard, lots of power.
It would be cool to see some head comparison, sr71, C, Boss 9, AFR. And bigger cam.
I think they all require different valve reliefs
@@richardholdener1727 true.. it would be a lot of work
Test was good thanks for showing telling, maybe I’ll make my 460 around in the 600hp be good for me. Well see ya next time see ya bye bye.
That would be cool in a Galaxy or Torino.
Hello Richard , would have been interesting fitting a 1150cfm or 1280 on the 4 barrel combination , see if there was 12hp gain bigger 4 barrel carb other wise nice piece . Heads great 460cfm
"even awesomer" that is the perfect description. Call Merriam Webster for a new entry. Thanks for the Vids, Richard.
I need to do a shirt
Love your work Richard, so easy to watch and understand.
Big block Buick 430 455 would be awesome to see for the other guys if you could find one. love the show never miss an episode thank you.
That is really cool plus I learned something new which I did not know so thank you R.H.
Quench not pistons zero decked but .005 out of the deck protrusion.
Then area rule the combustion chamber.
Or use the groove method of Ben Alameda:)
The groove in the combustion chamber makes sure the fuel air charge in the quench pad section is ignited.
Making sure the entire charge is ignited.
There’s still some in the ring land section that’s wasted, but check out the Ben Alameda
V-Groove technique
I’ll send the link
I like the first version with the factory heads ported. Cheap power that noone can see! Basically a stock motor with cam and head improvement! Great combo for an old F150!
This is awesome... 😈 now add boost! Really want to see the 557 in a gasser. Or the FMT... 😎
Awesome 🍎 Sauce ! 👌🏻🙂👍🏻
Is there any chances of running this thing @ 12.5:1 on "poor's people" 93 octane ? It does have aluminium heads🤔.
I think it would make for an awesome N/A Jet Boat engine.😎
JIGA BACHI I need this for my jet boat!
Might be possible but you would have to take a ton of timing out of it to the point where you would you lose a lot of power. Probably would also run hotter but that probably wouldn’t be an issue in a boat.
Really love you're videos man keep up the great work
Maybe the difference between the hp curves comparing the two tunnel rammed setups was the cam difference and the Wilson work on chevy manifold ?
Probably be fun ( and expensive ) to try a cam grind on the ford to match the chevy and send the tunnel ram ( and heads if they don't have that head data) and then see if they are much closer in power curves. I was really surprised the tunnel ram didn't make more difference from 4500 to 6k.
Great work as usual- always pick up something.
Wish i could pick your brain on the q16 since you used it on the chevy, also wondering if you used it with the Ford.
We tried at test & tune without nearly as good of luck.
Hats off to you! Like to see a 118 lca same lift and duration. Love my 460 and 455 Buick’s
Pulls up the first dyno graph, dosen't say anything about the damn near 500 ft lbs at 2500 rpm, dude, that is nutz. Richard, I still have a MMFF issue with your Silver State flying brick blower mustang in my closet. Keep doing what you do, it's an awesome resource, everyone loves it. The only way is up, my brother! WAAAAAAAA!
Great test they are great motors ran them for years
Love it.....I once mud raced against a guy with a bronco ll that had a 385 series with tunnel ram. All 4 tires actually became airborne when it launched off the line lol. It would hop all 4 44" swampers off the ground then take off like a bat out of hell when dude let off the trans break.
I LOVE tunnel rams! I have taken two bolt blocks and made them 4 bolt splayed. There are cap kits just for that...for Chevies anyway. I had to do a little machining and honeing, but it took really good power.
Very cool. I’m thinking another point or point and a half compression and 10 degrees more duration on the cam would’ve yielded that 4 digit power n/a. I’d love to see more big hp n/a sbf and bbf combos.
David Vizard:)
I think we can trick it some DV styled
And it will go over 1,000hp with a single dominator.
Possibly with water injection.
Speedmaster as in procomp?
But the Internet told me there products are crap, are you saying that you had no problem with the part and it worked..
I saw trickflow... did I miss something?
speedmaster crank
"their"
My absolute favorite engine
Had an 85 Fox late 80s with the 460/C6 combo. Biggest problem was keeping it cool and header gaskets..forget it. Quick car though. Had to sell it due to "test only' ca smog.
I curious what power you'd get from a 429 blower engine? 🤔.....thats what I am putting in my 78 zephyr...good info Rich!!
nice combo, great effects, I have never owned a big block, but I want my first one to be one of those 632's i see in the magazines, seems like a good deal for a big engine then boost it.
Making the same fair build the 460 Ford will put out more hp and torque than a 454 c every time. Remember the torque numbers are the real power numbers.
Nice test although I also was surprised that the tunnel ram didn’t pick up more. No way the extra cost (manifold, extra carb, fuel lines, linkage) plus tuning would justify such a small gain. If I spent the $ to perform this upgrade and only picked up ~30 HP I would not be a happy camper.
Just one incredibly stout block, and with 2 bolt mains no less! Nice job Ford engineers.
The chevy header design on a ford head is brilliant, makes it easier to install bbf in a gm car.
Most ford guys in boats run BBC headers with an adapter already . I wonder if this is why they do this ? Still cool to see .
@@steveelco114 far better selection of bbc headers especially for bigger inch motors
I like your thinking...
Chevy headers stopped you from going over 900 with single 4v ! Great video! No more engine sounds from you please!
waaaaaaa!
I like it. I have a mild built 460 in my f150. People try to talk so bad about the 460. All that hp and tq with stock block and mains no problem.
I wish I still had my 429. I am considering a 460 in a 4x4 F250 or F350. I would want a hydraulic roller though. Have you done a large cubic inch 460 with good heads and a hydraulic roller? This one is a monster but too much for me. Lol.
Hey richard! Salutation. Well i am was thinking of how to do a mild performance tune for a 460 ford and make 500 torque and 550 hp. How would i am accomplish that for a 2nd gen camaro that is my momma's. Never mind Thanks Holdener! i am just watched the video! hahahahahhah Well i am keeping the cubic inch though at 460 ish cubes, maybe a large overbore. LOL very fun video! Thanks. P.S. Also looking at the 400M.
I bought the same heads and 557 stroker kit.. ive been wandering what cam to run... you just made my mind up!! ANY WAY YOU CAN SHARE exact part number for the cam your using to get the 900+ hp? springs, rockers, etc???? Please share!! As always Richard your videos rock!!! Tons of information.. You actually build what most of us poor bastard wish we could build in our sleep.. Keep it up. Please share your cam and parts list for this engine please... you can even email me the numbers if you want. i will reply
I don't have a parts list-it was long ago, but the cam specs should be easy to find
I’m the charter member of the PBC (poor bastards club) and I cordially invite you to join our group 😁.
ABOUT TIME SOME BBF STUFF GOOD BUILD
Appreciate all the 460 stuff lately! My friend is building his (70s ford f250 ranger). Hopefully he uses this info rather than build it wrong for his needs/want 🤣
Would
Love to see a build on a late model 460 with efi I really want my truck to haul
The mail
I really find the blueprint 598 engine fascinating. Could you possibly do something with that? Almost 600ci out of a stock deck height BBC...
Richard, have you thought about throwing a large ProCharger on this Ford big block as you mentioned before boost is always better, curious to see the numbers vs the nitrous fed.
i like seeing the stroker 385 series as i will be doing the same for my wifes truck 4x4 f250, but probably more budget/less flow on the top end so it makes a big torque number at a low rpm
what we need to know how to increase the power for low rpm RV motor
I wish more BBF heads had chevy pattern header options. It is a struggle sometimes to find a good header. Also you should try some of kasse sr71 heads and maybe Boss 9s.
I have-Kaase stuff is very good
Kasse stuff is great just super expensive.
I wanna see a old school Flathead or Y-block build
Both. Maybe bring in Mike Hermann (H&H Flatheads), and John Mummert or Ted Eaton (the Y-block experts).
Would be interesting if you posted the over lay for this Ford 557 vs the Chevy 565 to see how the 2 differ. Ford has smaller bore but longer stroke 4.40x4.50 vs Chevy 4.60x4.25 Seems like they both peeked hp around the same rpm - same as the torque.
One of these would be such a cool motor to put in a hard top Lincoln Continental with an intake and carb or intake and 4150 style TB to fit under the hood. Certainly not a max effort high HP style build but built for low end HP and cruising power.
Man Richard got that secret sauce!!!! Lol
Rickybobby 03 Creatine for days!!!!
Love it all. Have you done any 5.4 mods? I have a 99 lightning that I've thought about pulling the supercharger and putting a couple turbos on. It has a JLP bulletproof short block and trickflow twisted wedge heads and cams and Bassani Competition R exhaust but still the stock Eaton. Its just waiting for more boost 💪
turbos will be much better than the Eaton blower on that 5.4L
In the interim, have you already done the smaller pulley?
I'd love to see a pump gas Big Bang series. Race gas is good, but how much power can you run on a stock block pump gas 4.8/5.3/6.0/454/351w or whatever Richard gets his hands on.
you can't reach the limit of the strength of an LS motor on pump gas-just the detonation limit
@@richardholdener1727 That is exactly what I had in mind. To see what is what is the safe limit for daily driving, now that we know what can be reached with race gas.
Not a Ford lover, but I've always liked the 460. I think I remember reading somewhere that the BBF was designed by the same engineer who had headed Chevrolet's big block design team.
BTW, what make nitrous initially spike like that?
Pressure in the bottle ? We heat our bottles and when you hit the button it hits way harder . If that makes sense .
Steve Elco - agree, probably high bottle pressure. That’s why you see racers purge to get to the desired PSI. The dyno chart really shows why this is so important.
@@danmyers9372 … Purging definitely gets rid of any high tank pressure concerns very quickly. It also has a very dramatic effect on the crowds reaction during the starting line staging show 🏁.
Rich by your opinion this Engine produce more than 351w or Cleveland ? Thanks
a stock 460 makes more than a stock 351W or 351C-yes
Yes indeed, especially since the 460 has 109 more cubic inches than the 351 engines. WOW… imagine that 🤔.
It’s be nice if you had a parts list and specs in the description. What do you do with these engines when you are done testing, I’d love to have this in my jet boat!!!
For the extra cost of the tunnel ram and two dominators, plus the extra tuning maintenance that comes with that, couldn’t you basically split the power difference with a bump in compression and a single carb? It’s already over 12:1, so pump gas is out. Why not go 14:1 on a single carb? I know that’s a lot of cylinder pressure if you add nitrous, but I’m talking n/a to n/a.
yep-more compression would help
Hi Richard! Is it possible to put 2pcs of Holley Sniper on a TunnelRam? Air fuel mix precision by fuelinjection, and lots of Air and Fuel fore the POWER 💪. Keep up the good dynoing
No replacement for displacement! I'd like to see that 557 with some twin turbos, ethanol, intercooler...
I don't think it would hold up to boost. The torque from boost will rip that stock bottom end apart. You would have to address that first. In these NA builds he's only hitting around 750ft-lbs, that would go way up even under mild boost, those rods might be good for it but the block likely isn't.
@@GlassTopRX7 but before it blows up I bet it would make some impressive numbers!
What kind of valve train did you run? Stud girdle? What roller rockers/ratio??????? Pushrod info/ interference issues or anything like that? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks!
This had Comp roller rockers-no girdle-but a good idea-shaft even better
@@richardholdener1727 thank you!!
I would love to see this much torque on a daily driver with hydraulic lifters. Can that be done?
Hey, Rich, I know ya like the big numbers, but I wonder if you could revisit this 557 as a low-end torque motor for a 4x4, tow truck, motorhome, Lincoln Mk V, etc. I'd like to see an iron headed 557 make about 700 lb ft, at around 2500 rpm!
Impressive but I know you only have 91 octane pump gas out there and I didn't hear you mention what kind of fuel used in this one. So what kind of fuel do you use for 12 and 1/2 to 1 compression?
Richard l have a Question 4U should u have the time ⏲️ to answer.
The GM 632 Crate Motor.
1004 hp & 876 tq .
Would a Fabricated Manifold change increase the performance that much without any other changes other than the Manifold & ×2 Carburetors . Efi set up . Ur thoughts & expirence would be Appreciated.
Cheers Robert Australia 🇦🇺
I have not looked closely at the stock intake-but if it does not have a tunnel ram-then likely yes
@@richardholdener1727
Cheers Richard. Always u2 watching u on UA-cam. U have a very sensible 👍 approach.
A head(s) that l would love ❤️ 2 see u review is the ,
Hammerhead Performance Hemi Head out of Georgia, USA .
Greg the Designer of the Head has been ringing its neck in N/A format . Would be Gr8 2 see someone else do a Supercharger Engine just 2 see how this head performs.
Keep up the gr8 work. 👍
Cheers Richard. 🍻
Robert 👍 😀
I had an 06 P71 Crown Vic I loved except it was underpowered. A 557" BBF would do the trick I am sure. It's an idea I have been kicking around for awhile, I am sure the 385 series would fit in the engine bay of a panther chassis.
Please continue to make more BBF videos!!!
Very surprised the TR only added 40 hp vs the single 1,050. It would be interesting to know the vac that was being pulled with both of them ? Did the CNC'd A-460's come straight from Trick-Flow ? I have a 950 hp @ 7,200 565" BBF A-460 headed ( single 1,050). Someday I'll get it back to Westech and run it with both the old style ( tall TR) and the new style to see what it does. I'd be hoping for more than a 40 hp gain.
I had the same thoughts. No way the extra cost of the manifold, carbs, linkage, fuel lines and timing would be worth 30-40 HP. That single plane must be working really well. Vac below the carb would tell all.
Ok, I have a dumb idea and I’ll probably end up building it but wanted some help with parts selection. So my game plan is to build a stick shift drag and drive car. Being that it’s a stick shift, I’d like to limit torque some. Thinking a pro charged 429 and run all the good top end stuff off this motor. With a aluminum eleminator block and priority main oiling what rocker setup would you use and how far could I rev it ?
HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND?
@@richardholdener1727 maybe not all of it… but I feel I’ll eventually get there 😂 I mean I could spring for a t&d setup if needed, I had one on my fe engine… just trying to bounce ideas off someone who’s been there… also… should I just not bother and build a coyote ? Or am I still looking at the same ti valves just twice as many etc etc…
The Chevy guys are in trouble because in the tunnel rams rule video that was actually the Ford run you posted! LMAO