The Kia Stinger GT Is An Ego Check For Car Guys
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Car buying isn't often a logic driven decision. It's often an emotional choice, and even used as a status symbol for the owner. Sometimes the badge on the front of the car is more important than how well it actually drives, and if the Kia Stinger isn't a total success, that's exactly what's to blame.
The Kia Stinger GT is powered by a 3.3L twin turbo V6 engine producing 365 horsepower and 376 lb-ft, with the option of RWD or AWD. The base model offers a 2.0L twin-scroll turbo I4 engine producing 255 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque. I was able to drive the GT2 in both AWD and RWD, and it's a spectacular GT car. Plenty of power, predictable handling, a clean interior, and surprising practicality. But will your ego hold you back from a Kia badge?
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When the only criticism anyone can give is "the badge", you know it's a good car
hey, and you can rebadge the car
Lois Whitehand With what ?
Mitsu Guy The Korean ‘E’ badge, that’s what! I bought my Stinger with those on it....
Good car?
🙄
e a Brilliant....
I genuinely want to see someone de-bagde one of these, re-badge it with Bmw badges and film the reaction when they drive their friends around with them thinking its a Bmw, then they say its actually a Kia.
No kidding. But then you have to say it costs about 115K dollars, for the badge and wealth snobs to be all over it.
In some markets, you get the "Engineered for Exellence" badge, which means that it won't have any Kia badges.
Talk about a clever response:) nice. RWD Kia sedan...go figure...lol:)
Ah ha, clearly someone has not been on an inside of a modern BMW. The quality inside of this KIA is low compare to that of a BMW and it is evident on the quality of its shell as well.
Now driving wise, the M6 has it beat anyways.
Now the price comparison... I would get myself a golf gti and save more money and corner better.
Then you'd only get response from non car guys since car guys will still know it's a Kia without badge
Mother Nature be like: “oh EE is doing a car review? Let’s make it rain!”
Haha definitely a bummer. Had one day in California and it rained the whole time.
Dude, review a Volkswagen Tiguan in the Mojave desert! Everyone is gonna love you!
Every damn time... especially if it’s a performance oriented car
His 570s spider video was nice though
bob frotic testing AWD
I had a Mercedes, then Audi. Now I have a Stinger, and I love it
*m3 passes by*
Me: oh an m3
*stinger passes by*
Me: YO IS THAT A KIA STINGER GT!!!
What a world we live in now.
swagalicious117 Only you.
M3's are wayy too common where i am, but I have only seen 2 stingers in real life
M3 dont look good to me
speak for yourself lol
Ew
One of my favorite cars out right now! Not a lot of people show enough love to it
Salomondrin is trolling
I'm glad you love it Salo everyone who has driven the car loves it, I think the best way to sell a Kia is by getting people in one first
-Kevin
Salomondrin - It doesn’t deserve love. Show it love if it’s still running 5-10 years from now.
Mista Butterworth When there is '06 Sonata's still alive and over 150k miles
Zach R Kia is as cool and reliable as Velcro shoes. Velcro shoes even have great “initial quality”.
American auto makers making less and less cars for SUVs.
Kia stinger : * v i b e c h e c k *
Fewer* And yes, because the typical fat american doesn't fit in a normal car. And those cars wouldn't fit on European streets, hence the demand.
hanetar tf is wrong with saying less and less?
@@josebatres8182 Well you can't have "less cars", only "fewer cars". It's a countable noun. You could have less water/food/air, but only fewer cars/houses/wrenches :)
@@han5vk yeah righto champ
@@elrud5964 He's actually correct. Don't get upset because someone knows grammar.
We have had a very successful time with our shop Stinger GT. Currently, we are 110 WHP over the stock 365 horsepower (currently at 500 crank horsepower)
Tork Motorsports holy crap maybe I should get it lol
Sochi Water All there car has is a muffler delete (easy just pull off the muffler) , cat delete, front mount intercooler, intakes, and an off the self 93 octane tune. Imagine what it could do with full bolt ons and turbo upgrade. Should be pushing some serious power !
Tork Motorsports If you run out of fuel, upgrade the fuel pump and get bigger injectors also try a e85 tune
hidden KARD all those parts are getting developed right now.
lmao it seems like i keep finding myself see tork motorsports, from trying to turbo my 500x and thinking about the stinger its crazy yall get your hands dirty in so many cars, thats awesome!
I like it and this is coming from a guy who is so into BMWs that I made a UA-cam channel on it lol. I definitely would consider one of these if I were in the new car market. Anyone who doesn't like it with out driving it is probably close minded. It's a good looking car and has good specs. I look forward to what Hyundai and Kia deliver in the future.
So... you like it without driving it but everyone who dislikes it is close minded?
I think you are reading too much into what I wrote. I said probably in reference to others who have not driven it. If you drove it and don't like it then that does not make you close minded. I am referring to people who will not give it a chance because of its badging.
I don't know how it is in the US but the problem here with "exotic" car brands (wich in Germany is about everything other than Mercedes, Audi, BMW, VW, Skoda, Seat, Volvo and the high class manufacturers like Jaguar and so on....) is that they are not as much cheaper to buy than they lose you money when you sell them...I had a 35k€ Peugeot once- got 7k for it when I sold it- a VW would have been around 15k..
I got an opportunity to drive a Stinger GT (the V6 TT AWD) for roughly an hour on my own, and I was thoroughly impressed. For me, I would seriously consider this, regardless of the Kia badging. I could argue that their Optimas in the SX trim and Stingers in the base trim can compete with your top of the line midsize sedans from Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Mazda.
BMW are unreliable trash cans just like Hyundai and Kia Japanese cars is the way to go Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and Subaru WRX the new 2019 Toyota Rav4 is so beautiful I hear it supposed to be in production next year it's higher up and looks like an off-roading SUV that's a vehicle I would consider buying and I looked up reviews on the current Generation they are extremely reliable
I test drove the AWD a few weeks ago. It was actually really nice.
I traded my 996 Porsche 911 in for a GT2 Stinger AWD. I love it, not a single regret. I just let the uninformed badge-loyalists say their piece, smile, and go back to enjoying an absolutely excellent GT car.
Glad you're loving it! That's what it's all about, driving what you enjoy and not worrying about the rest.
Wait till that depreciation hits boyyy
Was it not already gonna hit his Porsche?
flyfalcons You’ve got absolutely NO videos of EITHER vehicle. Nice try.
flyfalcons pics or it didn’t happen.
Porsche 911 is arguably one of the best cars ever.
No way in hell I’d trade in a Porsche for a Kia.
Reasonable option, I've been loving it since it was announced. I'd have to test it as well as its rivals but I'm glad it exists.
coscorrodrift stats are similar to the ecoboost mustang or equally priced bmw 340xi
After viewing several UA-cam videos about the KIA Stinger, I had to test drive this car for myself. I test drove the GT Limited trim model. As I was adjusting my mirrors, I couldn't believe the limited visibility in the rear window. The visibility looks like the small brick was removed from a jail cell! Even when this vehicle has the blind spot monitoring system, it's challenging to shoulder check blind spots with the wide roof pillars.
Every video I've seen talks about the same things such as acceleration, speed, sound system, brakes, etc. YOU are the ONLY one on UA-cam that mentioned the poor rear visibility on this vehicle!
Great thorough review by the way.
Glad you enjoyed the review! The rear vis definitely could use some improvement.
I completely agree about the rear view mirror - very poor visibility, but that's my main complaint about getting the car. The side mirrors provide a large amount of visibility to make up for it, though. I don't have much of a blind spot at all when driving it just looking out the side mirrors. It's a fun and smooth drive, and I never thought I'd be happy driving a Kia, but I'm definitely glad I got it
It’s not that bad. All of the sport backs are kind of like that. Either you want a sportback, and deal with these ergos, or you get some other style.
This car is so polished, so unique and interesting I almost bought one. You’re right though, my ego got in the way and I changed from an F10 M5 to an E63 Amg S saloon; a different level of car admittedly but It was definitely a contender
Fascinating to hear what it was contending with! And congrats on your new AMG!
If i saw this a year ago, I would have gone for it 100000%. I think it rocks, i love the interior styling too, and that small window makes a very artistic nod to the small windows and fun back seats of 50's and 40's cars, when you are sitting in the back. I think the car is perfect. It does everything people want. Brembos, a reall sound system, two subs in complimentary locations, great sound, dynamic sensible suspension, even the tires people would put on as a replacements. really, between the stereo system and the tires, the price is -$2700 dollars. My limited 2017 brz with performance package needs tires and a sound system first year. That's a built in issue for cars such as WRX and many other sport cars when you try to compare prices of First Year ownership.
We need more low-key beasts like this. If I could afford it, I’d have gotten one yesterday. I have a humble Impreza Sport but it’s still lots of fun so far.
KIA/Hyundai is doing what the Japanese did in the 1980s: shake up the car market and inject badly needed competition into a stagnant ossified boring market. Sure, I can buy a BMW for $20k more for the same specs, but why would I want to?
KIA, your next task is to make an attractive, affordable EV with good range. There is nothing on the market at the moment that suffices.
CatsMeowPaw you don’t like the Niro?
Never mind it’s a hybrid.
Kona's coming. 0-60 in 7 seconds, hatchback, five seater, 250 miles range, and actually looks okay.
Ionic looks to be decent too - I have faith that good things are coming
CatsMeowPaw Korea makes substandard cars and explosive phones.
I saw one of these in the wild a couple weeks ago and dare I say I was shocked. It looks pretty slick and I hadn't heard anything about it until this video.
That's the best title ever for a Kia Stinger video ever. This car really points out who fancies cars only by names.. this vehicle wins over BMW for me personally
97 Bambo probably will cost you less to maintain..
not only less to maintain but backed by 7 year no quibble warranty (transferable) not a 2 year "we make quality cars.... honestly..." warranty. i live in Germany and the Asian cars are still cheaper to maintain
97 Bambo once that “amazing” warranty is up look out. Cost the same and just as fast as a loaded bmw 340xi pass
Devin Bender no it doesn't. You know literally nothing about buying a new car. To get these features in a smaller more cramped car that's still slower aka that 340xi its 67k. This stinger is 50, gt1s are going for 42 with awd. You can't even get an msport 4 cylinder for that money. Over priced German crap that gets walked by the competition.
Wedow kbb/ bmw and true car have the BMW 340i x drive msrp at 51k 48k for rwd. And the 3 series is only 2 inches smaller. Hardly a difference
Don't call it a Kia. Tell your friends you drive a Stinger. If they ask the marque, BOOM. You own them.
That's what I did when I told people I went to test drive a Stinger. I showed them pictures and they were hooked on. Only then did I let slip that it was a Kia.
Alejandro Bello I agree. The car would have sold a lot better without the Kia badging all over it.
Hence why they used the “Special K” for the Forte Koupe. Or Genesis became its own brand. All to disassociate themes from Kia/Hyundai.
Still call it the Kia stinger. But don’t put a single Kia badge on it. But some kind of cool fancy “S” badge. And it would sell better.
That and add 100hp and drop the price by about $10,000 and NOW your competitive
Alejandro Bello It's Stinger by Kia
Proper way to change people opinion.
you can buy a different badge, some call it the " flying k " it is very stylish and they use it on some cars in Europe.
It’s no different than than what people said about Japanese cars in the 70’s , when I was young the 240Z got the same criticism in 1970 but that car and the Datsun 510 soon woke people up , I was a young gaffer built still remember listening to all the “car guys “ and their slams change to praise almost overnight
the fairlady had something to its name
price and performance
nothing in its price range can keep up with its performance
.. so yeah
Ryan Angelo Hellcat would pee all over this.
Almost 40% price increase is in the same price range?
GTR r35 would pee all over the hellcat
But it took the Japanese cars over 25 years to be good. Kia was/is still crap in 2005 how can they be good 10 years later? They can’t
I remember the first time I saw a stinger a few years back. Turned my head. Great car, an example of what happens when top BMW execs and engineers move over to Kia.
I remember when they came out as well. I worked for a Kia dealer as a tech. Everybody was hyping them up (especially our salesmen). Got to test drive one. They feel larger then they actually are. They have the same issue as the Genesis sedans have (worked for a Hyundai dealer for years prior to working for kia), while fast, they don’t feel fast. The stinger handles like a slightly smaller Genesis G80 on sport mode. I wasn’t impressed whatsoever. Then I saw the sticker price and realized that nobody in their right mind is going to pay $50-$60k for a kia. Well I was wrong. We sold them left and right for about 2 months, then sales slipped and now they are lucky if they sell 3 a month. On top of that, certain colors have adhesion issues and their resale value dropped like a rock. Why buy a new one at $55k when you can pick up a 1-2 year old one for $30k.
haha already bought my stinger gt2! Had it for a month now and i love reading the comment section 😂All things considered performance, comfort, tech, interior quality, safety, practicality I can safely say this is the best car for under 50k usd
Edit: I HATED KIA/HYUNDAI
-Kevin
Exhaust Sports Auto How do you know its the best car for under $50k? You test or owned every car for under $50k for a month? Or are you just justifying spending $50k on a Kia?
C43 amg coupe, E92 M3, bmw 640i, Jaguar XJL 5.0, Acura TLX, TSX, RDX, Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE (Which is 40k smh) been inside of every bmw, been in rolls royces, genesis, mustangs, dodges, camaros, corvettes. It's the steering in that stinger that blew me away, just buttery smooth the quality of the drive, the feel of the interior and drive is that of a 6 figure car so yes it is easily justified to be the best for the money since it is pulling off qualities of a car that are over double the price and thats what value is defined as getting more for your money then what you paid
Exhaust Sports Auto That is all your opinions. Opinions can be taken with a grain of salt. Go ask a Dodge scat pack, Camaro ss l1e, Bmw 340i, Mustang gt owner the same question and they will all say different. My point is you are saying "its the best car for under $50k" when in reality, its the best car for YOU for under $50k, since it is your money. Cars is all about preference and what the buyer is looking for in a car, I'm just sick of people always saying which car is the "best". This Kia isn't doing anything different than what any other car can do, its just the fact that its coming from a Kia is what got everyone talking.
Soooooooooo Subaru wrx sti.....less money still faster.............better awd system........
sooooooo you don't care about your spine being broken in half after 30 minutes, the rash you get from all the plastic from that 12 year old interior, costs 2 grand more actually for being slower in the real world, sooooo no I did not even consider a subaru or even consider to compare to it
I love my Kia! I've had two now. Both fortes both manual trans. Great little cars. I could give 2 sh*ts less what anybody thinks about my Kia. Yours is really nice!
_"Ego check for car guys"_
Well, I'm a 'car guy', and I have absolutely no problem with KIA. I actually really like KIA.
tommy d u b b s Dude that was hilarious!
same, i love what they are doing although im riding an old A6 but man, the Stinger and also the new Ceed are really nice Cars, if i had the moneyi would get the Kia, it looks better than the Mustang imo!
tommy d u b b s for people like you everything’s bad in life huh? it‘s my taste not yours... but anyways, have a nice day!
Brodie Bennett
Congrats, you're an actual car guy! True car guys don't see brands
I had a kia minivan that made it to 700ish thousand miles. Ever after that vehicle kia has grown above most German vehicles in my opinion. Just as a comparison i had a 2014 Mercedes ml350 bluetec that stalled on me at 75 thousand miles... and the price to change that engine is over 25 thousand dollars. Great video, thumbs up.
The car is no slouch in comfort mode, but MUCH more responsive in sport mode. I own a GT2 AWD.
My 2011 kia sportage is a Stinger at heart! Keep on keeping on KIAlondra you are a great car!!
Korean cars have come leaps and bounds from the days of the Hyundai Pony , they are taking on the world and doing a good job, problem is the badge snobs .
You must not of owned a Pony then
My relatives said to me that Kia is not a "great" car, but that is not stopping me to buy the Kia Stinger.
I think the saddest part of this, and most new sports cars, is when they don't come with a manual gearbox option.
Danny Daskalakis it needs to be an option. Even if it's a rarely purchased one.
McC Alexander then it would be a big waste of money to manufacture
Blasted UA-cam filtering comments! (It says there's 5 but only shows me 3)
ANYWAY, Kia has never released a manual for a factory V6. And with the increased accuracy and reliability of electronic shifting systems, it seems unlikely they ever will.
Not a sports car, it’s a Grand Tourer (GT)
Rob C I don't think you got the analogy right, but that's fine. Anyways yeah it's not that it's better or worse, but for my personal taste, manual is more fun and engaging, salty boi.
I like your channel a lot. You do an excellent job explaining things and keeping it entertaining. You seem well suited as the host and your sponsors should know this. Please keep up the great work!
"I bought a BMW! What? You want to see it? Hmmm, well, it's in the shop... Huh? Your Audi is too? Man, that sucks."
Love my 2020 2.0T Gt line.! Just took A road trip to Sonoma from Reno and averaged 34 MPG!! Fast enough and sooo comfy! Filled the space under the hatch and a bit of the back seat for the 4 day trip...it's so easy to overpack when it's a road trip!
You should do reviews more often; I find it refreshing to hear an engineering-minded person doing reviews... 😉
I agree
Sometimes reviewers throw around information and it’s not 💯 believable but your detailed explanations and knowledge make it credible.
Can you do some interior video please of the interior? It's mostly the same 3 shots all the time while you drive on an average road. It's useful up to a point then it's time to move on and show us more detail of the car inside. What are the seats like, adjustment, features, dash, the usual things. So that we can see if this is a car we would like.
How tall are you, can you fit in the front and adjust the seat exactly to your size, steering wheel position, rear seat comfort, space and roof height. Those things that might matter.
Thanks though. It's a good video but I'd just like to see more info.
Seems interesting never saw a Kia that got my interest
with the optima, it's not that impressive looking in most colors. i own one it's the corsa blue that they brought back for the stinger.
righttttt
Funfact: Polish police uses these as interceptors.
Olgierd Nowak ....Australian police have used them for some time. Queensland Police in northern Australia were first in the world to make the Stinger a Police edition....
@@OrnumCR As sleepers or standard fleet?
No way... that's cool af
Obviously here in Australia, we are a country that doesn't have the " Badge Snobbery " that is so evident in America and Europe.Kia's and Hyndai's are popular over here because Aussies take a car at " face value " and not the badge it wears.If a car is reliable, you get ' bang for your buck ', good warranty and aftercare support that's what most people are after.Instead you see comments time after time knocking the badge .Well for the uneducated you can change the badges and modify the look if you find the need.
Lois Whitehand
If that’s true then kudos, that’s a respectable societal trait.
hey Jason, AS ALWAYS a GRRAT review & thanks for posting!! this car very IRONICALLY became a topic of conversation & argument at work this past Friday, i knew about 15 years ago from one of the engineering leaders telling me that Kia AND Hyundai were going to begin going towards performance & stepping up their game from just basic cheap transportation, i laughed a decade & a half ago, but look now. not sure it will ever be of the Japanese quality of sportscars for years, but who knows? look where they are today, 15 years after saying they were going to begin performance R&D. thanks for posting!!!
....btw THE INTRO with the hang up made me LAUGH and about made me spew coffee i was drinking! this actually is how people feel about them.....for now?
Johnny-B Racer Yeah man, with Hyundai releasing their N line hothatches and Kia releasing their GT lines with lower price than the competitors at reasonable build quality and power, I hope this will restart the era of fun to drive affordable cars like in the 90s again.
Grat?
Don’t forget, they have a slew of German designers and engineers on board now. They make their own engine and transmissions so they can tweak them for their varying products. The plan for the Stinger is to keep improving it and knowing them, there will most likely be a higher performing version in the future. Can’t wait for my lease to be up so I can get a Stinger GT!
They're already nipping at the heels of Japanse brands when it comes to reliability... not yet up there with Toyota or Honda, but definitely almost on par with Nissan or Mitsubishi.
Why did I buy the 50k RWD Stinger GT2? Limited slip differential, napa leather, all led lights, advanced electronics, weighs less than the AWD, is faster than the AWD, handles corners better than the AWD, looks awesome, drives great, beats comparable BMWs and Mercs and Audis hands down. I bought the car not the brand. You can hold your nose all you want, the Stinger is a better car.
Kia did a great job with developing and putting out this car in the market.
Ok ok . Why are you all defending so much . Weird how every post that stinger owners write is so defensive. Buy what you want , you have that right . I will buy my car but damn sure not going to defend it.
Mike Murphy better car than what? Exactly what BMW is this comparable to? I don’t think this car really even makes a case against the M340i, let alone a real M car.
I saw one at my local dealer. Blown away! I was actually surprise by the size.
Great video. People need to get over their old thoughts of Kia. Hyundai and Kia make great cars and offer them are good prices. The Stinger is a example of what happens when Audi designer Peter Schreyer and BMW-M chief engineer Albert Biermann decide to go to Kia. I've been a fan of Hyundai/Kia for a while. Yes, there are Hyundai and Kia fans, we do exist and now you understand why. I've owned 9 Hyundai/Kia cars (4 currently) and they have all been excellent cars and values.
Not only Audi, KIA also hired designers from Dodge and Chrysler
I think this is the first car review I have seen by you, and it is good. I would like to see you maintain the engineering angle with under chassis shots, with more focus on suspension and steering
I can't wait to possibly get this car in 4 years when the depreciation has done its job.
Cold hearted
This is one of my favorite cars out right now! People laugh at me when I tell them it's a Kia, but if that badge weren't there you wouldn't even be able to tell. This car is sexy as hell.
I agree
A very well liked car in Australia
The police were impressed enough to buy them.
My parents have owned Kia SUVs since 1999. We are now on our 6th Kia SUV. And the difference between then and now is impressive.
>we aren't snapping our necks for 3 series.
I feel seen.
I recently got one. Forget the badge, and the significant amount more the euros are and you'll definitely enjoy the ride. its a great car.
The thing is this COSTS A LOT. For the around the same price you could pickup a car with a V8.
And then me being the pedal to the medal freak that I am, do I really need that much power in my possesion. I have gotten enough speeding tickets in my life and I am trying to grow up kml
I got my 2017 Mustang GT with 6 spds mt at a clearance for half the price of the Stinger although my driving habits find me at the fuel pump quite often which is why I don't drive it all the time.
And on too of that, the Stinger will outperform my Mustang greatly on twistier roads and autocross tracks
I've owned a blue Stinger GT2 AWD for about 3 weeks now. Absolutely love it. Traded in my trusty old '99 BMW M3 Convertible 5spd for it.
The Stinger is engaging and fun to drive but also feels very solid, has no rattles, and feels extremely safe even at freeway speeds in heavy rain. The electronic safety gadgets are fantastic, and I love the HUD (though I wish I could do a *bit* more customization on it)
Jason, thanks for another great video!
Congratualtions on your new car! Hope you'll be happy with it!
I own one and boi is fun to drive it everyday : )
That Abs sound at the "good" braking moment xD perfect with Jason look straight through the camera !
From a proud kia Owner
I approve this message.
Ganbala Sounds like a poor person.
> Kia Owner
> Proud
Pick one
Gai
myusernameisthisduh
Agree
You're proud of old Kia during their let's knockoff Mercedes era
KIA is making improvements by leaps and bounds. I have a KIA Rondo and its one of the best cars I've ever bought. Ten years old and it still feels new. I'd love one of those Stingers
Great review of this car. The people or your friends who get excited about cars based on the brand name and not the specific car, aren't car people. If Kia, or any other brand produces a quality car, it should be judged on its merit, not the brand that produced it.
Ben Boyder exactly. I’m glad they made this car under this brand to separate the true car people from the posers who are just badge snobs.
You literally hit the nail on the head when you said it doesn't matter about what the cars badge is, what matters is what your getting, this is a strait up great sports car that can easily be dailyed!
I wonder if Kia actually programmed the transmission to shift more harshly on Sport mode just so drivers would think it's doing something.
Hahaha
It does do something. Maybe it has changed for the 2019 yr release model but a definite noticeable change on mine between ECO, Comfort and Sport modes
Hey Jason, jumped ship from an Audi A5 to a Sunset Yellow Stinger GT. Phenomenal car. Needs transmission tweaks, though. I don't really noticed much turbo lag, I know it's there, but the engine hides it well. My Sunset Yellow came with AWD, 19 inch wheels, and Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires. I miss my Audi, but I don't miss the maintenance costs. I am concerned about the brake pads and rotors, pads 300 bucks per each and rotors are about 110 each. It would be a 1600 dollar job to do all four corners just in parts. Got those quoted from the Kia service department.
Every single UA-cam video on the Stinger GT has this moronic comment from people who have not even sat in one- "Hurr Durr it's STILLa KIA". Don't call yourself an auto enthusiast if you haven't driven the car and its competitors and make this shitty comment. I am not asking you to plop $50K on this tomorrow
Don't be a fanboi. Be a brand-agnostic enthusiast.
Agreed! Way too much influence from badges and not enough influence from the car itself. There are truly fantastic and also truly sub-par cars coming out of the same factories.
Those badges have *earned* the people's respect. It's just like in the old days when people used to talk shit about the Japanese car brands. Give it some time. If Kia continues to deliver people will start respecting it.
Respect is earned *NOT* deserved!
Agreed. But there's a difference between liking Mercedes because of their pedigree/history/performance, and shitting on anything that's not a Merc because it's not a Mercedes and "Only an X, Y Z"
I'm not even saying Kia deserves respect and admiration. Just look at the Stinger GT alone objectively for what it is beyond the brand, forget the rest of Kia's lineup.
Well said.
When you said "rear wheel drive" I was hooked.
my car is kia and driving it for 12yrs.. never had any problem...kia is reliable car..I trust..
kia stinger reminds me of opel speedster, as because of the badge none was exited about it but if one went beyond that one realize it was one hell of a machine.
I think your car guy ego point is accurate. That stated, the brand association that comes with some of the other Marques comes from decades of delivering solid performance - in other words BMW and Mercedes earned their street cred. I think Kia should stick with it and they will build a performance following of their own. What gets tough, is that you could buy a one year old German sports sedan for the same money.... I would have trouble spending $40k+ on a Kia...
Yeah but at least this will be cheap to repair and decently reliable
1CoLoRz2 the myth of BMW or mercs being unreliable continues yet again...
healithPro I think both brands are generally reliable. But they are definitely super expensive to maintain. Not that I can talk with my Jaguar XF 5.0 supercharged.... it costs more to maintain in a year than my other car has in five (370z)
Strunz0 Cars Curious, you don’t think they can make great products that should be priced over $40k? They already do! People hear the brand and think of cars from 20 years ago. Honda had the same issue when it first came to the US. I went for BMW some years back to KIA and have not had issues with their products. They are confident in their products to offer a long warranty, if they weren’t good all the repairs would bankrupt them. Value doesn’t mean cheap, but when you stack up what you get for the price, it typically is more than what you get from the competition. Folks that haven’t driven a KIA product need to go and check them out to get first hand experience instead of regurgitating things they hear from others with no experience of their own.
As a car enthusiasts we should be open to appreciating a great car and the Stinger GT is such a car at a price point below it’s competition with similar performance. Remember, Albert Biermann, the former head of BMW M cars tuned this car, do you think he would make a bad driving car? For those that haven’t driven one go take one out and post your experience.
waynerm002 I think you’re misunderstanding my sentiment. I am not suggesting this is a bad car, I’ve never even driven one. I’m simply stating that for my hard earned dollar, I would more likely buy a one year used competitor. Right or wrong, I suspect the market place will agree with me and you will see these cars severely discounted in the future. For example, I drive a two year old Jaguar XF 5.0 supercharged with 470hp that I paid $34k for. I am not saying one car is better or more reliable than the other.... but for me, it would be crazy to pay over $40k for this car. Brands matter.... and at the end of the day, this car is associated with a brand that sells $15k economy cars so it’s going to be an uphill battle. I am surprised/confused by what Kia/Hyundai are doing. This would have been better off as a Genesis model.
Great review, surprised you didn't mention the rear storage! Not many people realize this is a hatchback!
Performance sounds great. And the Interior looks SPOT ON!. But the exterior.. dam it aint good
I've been satisfied with all 3 Kias I've driven, but never excited about one. That changed today.
Hilarious intro by the way!
+Engineering Explained
Let me tell you why this fine driving machine will fail. In Canada, KIA is asking 60k on the road (~$1000 per month lease for 36 mo with zero down). As a comparison, in Canada, Audi S5 Sport back with driver package is around 70k on the road (~$1030 per month lease for 36 mo with zero down). BMW 440i also has similar lease payment. Why get a KIA then?
Ahsan Mahmood why? Well with the kia you save $30 😃
At first I was so excited to see that our Stinger was way cheaper than the american one but the leasing/financing say otherwise... Theirs is much cheaper. What's interesting is that the Genesis G70 is MUCH cheaper with a lease than its cousin, eve though it's a luxury brand
Accurate. I drive a kia and i love it, but it's about bang for the buck. A good car at a great price. I aspire to one day get a great car at a good price. Kia has to offer something at least 20% cheaper than BMW Audi to be able to sell. Based on the pricing listed now it's only 10% or less difference. If the 340 BMW is at 60k specced, the Kia needs to be 48k for me to even bother.
As a lease, it's a no-brainer, but to own, the Kia is significantly cheaper and has a much lower cost of upkeep.
Well anyways, I got my Stinger GT already and it's half the price of a similar S5 in my country.
equivalent S5...not the teknik package which adds Audi virtual cockpit
Nice to see you review Kia. I haven't had a chance to whip one of these yet, but I am looking forward to it. The car is getting good reviews. I used to own a Sorento SX so I'm familiar with the brand.
I love a stiff front and a soft rear 😏
So... you're into traps?
katana767 So you like understeer?
reminds me a lot of the Veloster. Brand that is otherwise not very prestigious (at least for performance), very affordable for what you get, and uses lots of high tech to make it a comfortable daily while still having performance on tap.
it's not a Kia... it's a $50,000 "Kia"
I saw one of these in Quebec a few months ago, seeing one in person was awesome. They are impressive cars!
I have yet to (personally) find a need for a "steering wheel heater". And I live in the Great White North.
My arms are too long, blood doesn’t reach my hands. They’re just flaps far away from my body. Steering wheel heaters bring them back to life!
GT2 or GTS in the UK has 360 camera and you can have the rear view camera on all the time on the MMI. Rear visibility more or less taken care of. But I confess "analogue" rear viewing is quite nice to have.
torque converter automatic, no manual option. Biggest downside
Agreed! Put another pedal down there!
Corey Broadstock they’d make manuals if people bought manuals. When was the last time you or someone you knew bought a BRAND NEW manual car vs those who go out and buy autos (new or used)?
I understand that alot of cars sold now are automatic, because of technology advances etc. But this is a performance aimed car that dose not have the OPTION for a manual. Even atleast a dual-clutch automatic would be better,
Corey Broadstock as someone who grew up driving manuals and love manuals, I understand where you’re coming from. But it’s costing a lot of money to design/develop manual transmissions which hardly sell, so for the sake of profits they’re sticking to automatics.
Yep Im the same, always owned and driven manual. Sucks that it is that way now, but atleast cars like the new Civic Type R and Focus RS still stick to manual only :)
It is a good looking car. I like how the rear tapers down. The car has a nice overall shape
I'd love to have that car.
Just as I was looking at ceramic silver Stingers deciding what to get next after my fully packed A3 sedan.. thanks for the vid!
I love hatchbacks, but they're all small cars. I like that there is a full sized sport hatchback that isn't a hideous, six-figure, Porsche Panamera.
Daniel Private new hatchbacks arent really small. Look at the 90s civic and see how the 2017 one got big. In Europe there are even complaints how big cars are getting.
If you’re into Buicks, the Regal Sportback is ... well, a sportback, lol.
We can't get over how big the space is back there. From outside it looks like it has no trunk. From the back seat there is so much room you'd think there is no space for a trunk and then open it up and it blows your mind. I can store luggage for two and it barely makes a dent. I can't get over how fantastic the design is - love it.
Longhillmom...that's awesome and I bet the hatch makes that space easy to access too. Not enough reviewers point out this major design benefit.
I like that torque distribution idea. Pretty clever
Is he deliberately picking rainy days for his reviews, so he has to drive slow?
trytthisnow 😂😂
I think it just rains a lot where he lives.
I flew to California to film the past three reviews. They were all filmed on the same day. It happened to rain that day. I could have gone home empty handed, or made the most of it. I made the most of it, hope you enjoy regardless! For what it's worth, the Kia was great in the rain.
don't feed the trolls, jason.
Makes sense, thanks for the reply :)
I came across this car on my own while test-driving a used 5 series at a Kia dealership. Did not drive it, but I really liked the way it looked and the specs, and I'm talking about the upper model which was priced at like $54,000.
Crossover = Nothing from both.
SDD525 what is the crossover? in my country some of them are more look like hatchback while the others are more look like to wagon.
Great review, Jason. As always, I learned some things that I did not know from watching it. Because of your thoughts I may decide to put it on the list for my next car. My hope would be that some software optimizations could improve the transmission logic and behavior but otherwise I like nearly everything else about the Stinger GT.
KIA hired the Designer of BMW's M Series to develop the Stinger, that's why the car is so performance-oriented. The downside about the Stinger is that it resembles too much of the other KIA sedans, especially the front end. It will be much better if KIA came up with a distinctive look for the Stinger.
The style was designed buy a Designer from audi i read. He left audi because he wanted to make more interesting designs as every audi looks the same.
Literally every bmw looks the same too lol. Some just have more doors and different numbers written on them
Yeah BMW have used the same dials for years, BMWs don't turn heads anymore.
substring zero. Im pretty sure they decided to make a performance car for other reasons than what the stylist came up with. I dare say it was Kia that decided to make a performance car and it was that decision that led to the sporty styling.
I like the direction that Hyundai/KIA is heading, contrary to their Japanese counterparts. My biggest concern are the transmission, suspension and cornering capability. This video shows the transmission has slight issue on sports mode, which is not a good thing. Traditionally, their suspension tended to be on the soft side, but I prefer stiff suspension. And so far, I have not seen any review on the Stinger's cornering capability. Usually when nobody wants to talk about it, it is probably not a strength.
I am in the market for a new car in the next 2, 3 months, and the Stinger is on my list. But right now, the WRX STi is higher on my list than the Stinger. I will need to test drive the Stinger to get more information. By the way, when I do test drive, I usually warn the salesman on what's coming. :)
Never has anyone gone up to a bmw 335i or 340i and said, woah, this is the 335i!, or the 340i!
Plenty of people have come up to me, saying "omg this is the Stinger GT. This thing is cool and fast!"
The Kia Stinger GT is like $54k... I can’t think of any reason that you’d buy a Kia over a BMW 340xi especially considering you can get the 340xi in AWD with a stick for about the same price.
i thought the GT model starts from 38k
Because if you see a 3 series you're like, oh another one
Stinger has more HP, higher top speed and looks sportier. 340xi just looks like any other bland bmw
better warranty and reliability
a bmw is less reliable than a kia, proven by their 10 year warranty
I had a guy, who owns an Audi RS6 ride in my car and drive my car and my car at the time was tuned and running 420 whp and 450 torque so it was very similar in performance to his 4.2L turbo V8. When he had a chance to experience the car and forget it was a Kia and listen to the sound, feel the seats, feel the responsiveness of the car overall, there was a lot of respect gained. Get pass the emblem folks. it means nothing bad here. How many car manufacturers today engineer and build their transmission in house with the lead of Albert Biermann who was the lead engineer for BMW M Division? Folks, this car shifts as smooth as butter. Make no mistake, this car will be a classic someday.
Why would you buy this if you cen get cadillac ats or cts v-sport for pretty much the same money or german competition. Price between kia and caddys is compariable here in europe but Im not sure how it is in USA though.
ICECUBE682 you could get the ats, but it wouldn't be as powerful afaik. The cts v sport starts at like 62 grand lol
Not that close in US. Only one of those you'd be able to consider for around 40k is the ats 2.0
thats interesting, the top end KIA Stinger in Europe costs 60k which is the same as the cts v-sport and the cheapest Stinger 2.2 liter diesel or 2.0 liter turbo costs 49k and cadillac base model ats costs 45k (not to mention it has better platform, I like the transmission better + you can get a manual trans, 2.0 t engine is more powerful, interior and equpement is way better and so is design language- basicly caddy ats is pretty much better in every category). And there you have german sedans in the same price range but with aditional better quality than cadillac and even more so than a kia. Not to mention better dealer coverage and so on... I almost forgot about dodge charger or a bit more performance oriented camaro or mustang, maybe even Lexus but I personaly don't like them.
damn well that's a HUGE difference. a base 2.0 stinger here in the US is 32k. 38.5 gets you the TT V6! And at that price (under 40k) I think it's very hard to beat with that engine and amount of car you get. I read that the G70 is supposed to get a stick so it'll be interesting to see how that drives...the CTS V-Sport is an awesome car, plus they have their own hot-vee engine now
Yeah the difference is huge becouse german cars are cheap becouse they can be, cadillacs are cheap becouse GM is trying to attract new buyers and KIA Stinger the top of the range model is 60k becouse its taxed to hell becouse its a V6 another important fact is that people in Europe don't like big price gaps from base model to top model thats why all car company acknowledge that, even cadillac(ats here starts at 45k and gose to low 55k, in America there are huge gaps in price from base to top model) thats the reason even base model Stinger costs 49k so price difference from base to top of the line model is smaller (10k). Yeah the new cadillac engine is amazing but 4.2 v8 hot-vee engine is going in brand new cadillac ct6, cts-v is going out of production next year. CTS and ATS are going to be replaced with the all new ct5. I hope in a few year I will be able to buy a new cadillac and cruise with it on beautifull euro roads.
Jason, I say there's Hardly any turbo lag.. Sometimes drivers forget, when you push the pedal half way or more to get a good downshift and go, you're only feeling the pause to downshift or that pause that all automatics make (turbo or not) before it gets going, ... normal for all cars.... in direct turbo lag question, the least of any verhicle I've driven, which is no where near what you have done, but I am certain it's hardly any from driving one myself everyday.. Love My Kia, Awesome Car !! Best Sports sedan out there, for the package and price points... Love your videos too, I'm a subscriber... cheers
the interior does look like a benz.....
Nickybandz it was developed by a dude who was like a head dude at BMW
Nickybandz no? Was that supposed to be sarcasm?
Pretty sure the AWD system uses clutch packs instead of a center differential, like about everything else that change center torque biasing. It would make sense considering it only shifts up to 50% to the front.
Still not worth $50,000. You'll be able to pick these up for under $30k in like two years.
More like 1 year.
Remember they start at $38k for the RWD GT. I'd skip some luxury features for a lower weight RWD at a better price point.
better than 340i
That's...basically true of any car though lol, besides the few exotics and sports cars that manage to keep most of their value.
+Engineering Explained ....very good points
Please do a video comparing full electric vs hybrid vs gas powered cars:
Base Hp, Pro's and Con''s, Traction (read somewhere that electric cars use special tyres), MPG's to expect per fuel type, etc
Supercharging honda when?
Early May!
Amazing! Cant wait to see it rippin :D
Nothing wrong with getting something within one's budget, my friends think I am cool cause I don't waste money trying to impress people. I would say a rear 180 cam would be nice to supplement the visibility issue of that back window, with a display above the windshield and also maybe a rear wiper. Do the headlights turn or does it have side lights, I loved those side light on my old Oldsmobile, turning a corner and nicely lit up, why cause where I am it's dark a lot and snows, and that extra visibility from that extra light is so helpful.