7/4 with 8th-note triplet subdivisions, 32nd-note paradiddles, and 4/4 metric modulations with the pulse on every other 8th-note triplet! FINALLY, something I can dance to!!!
@@arthurfranca5516 Lol I forgot I wrote this comment, I feel like I just time traveled back a year. No one seems to have challenged my rhythmic analysis at least 🤨
At first I messed up because I expected it to be in 4/4. Then I read the comments and saw that it was in 7/4. I counted 1,2,1,2,1,2, (clap) and got it right every time.
Couple of cool things about the part at 2:11, where the clappers lose it. If we're in 7/4, and assuming claps on 1, he throws us off by starting his groove on the CLAP rather than every time before starting really on the 2nd beat. It's still triplet hi-hats like the bars before, but split into groups of 4. This technique is called metric modulation, and it sounds like the tempo changes (tempo-rarily). If you watch his left foot on the hi hat, you can see him counting 3 -4-5-6-7 in the original pulse, while he's playing the metric modulation over the top, so he's still feeling that 7 pulse. Something else, if it helps too. A bar of 7/4 in triplets is a total of 21 hits on the hi-hat (3x7). So if you split that into a four pulse, you can count it as 1234 1234 1234 1234 1234 1 CLAP, or listen for K234 S234 K234 S234 K234 1 CLAP. where K is kick and S is snare hit
@@hughkills I totally hear you about wanting the clap to be on 4 (or 7)! Even George Collier's analysis of this video comes from that perspective. I'll direct you to 0:41, though. Nate starts conducting a bar of 4/4 with the clap on the downbeat (that's my interpretation at least). I see him dividing the groove into 4/4 + 3/4 with the clap on beat 1 of the 4/4 bar. I'm not throwing any shade! This discussion is just SUPER interesting to me! I have a hard time hearing the clap on beat 7 and I come back to this video often to try to train myself to be able to hear it that way.
it can work both ways equally well. in the end, being able to feel odd time is better than counting it./ I learned all the prog songs i liked when i was a kid,. perfectly before learning to count them. Yes, now I can count.. but as I said, both work..
This is like a test for yourself. I wish there was, like an album of this for the listener to get involved like this. I'd love to rest myself on this shit all day and in turn, feel complex groove modulations more naturally. I get what's going on when he does it. It's just alot to actually FEEL and not actually count. Lol
How many of y'all sit here and watch this dude and just stare at your phone or your computer and just shake your head back-and-forth in disbelief because I know I do...
one two three four five six sev.. what? one two three four five six clap one two three four i get it now clap one two three four five six clap one-and and and whatthe hellis goingon and-clap one rest rest rest rest rest clap YEAHH
This has got to the wildest drum grooving I have ever seen in more than three decades of playing drums. What makes it so wild to me is that the reference point of time seems to morph like mid-phrase or mid-section or something. It’s as if Christopher Nolan made the movie Tenet into a drum groove.
Always brings a huge fuckin' smile to my face. Watched this thing as many times as I've watched 50% of all other videos together... that's the count! :D
Time is a wonderful thing. I'm not a musician, but I can appreciate how hard it is to count to seven, for three minutes, with varying speeds of music playing Great vid
See, that's the thing. He didn't change the speed at all. He was just messing with the rhythms to make it _sound_ like he was changing speeds (or tempo, as the cool kids call it)
This is so much more impressive to me than dumb chops(which most of the time are useless). Dudes like Nate and Steve Jordan that play groove are much more stimulating to the ear imo
@@brendanmcgrath4831 I mean yeah obviously that's fine, people have different tastes and that's what's cool about music. My point was just that he said he doesn't like dumb chops yet that's kinda exactly what this video was haha
Chops are fine within a groove which he’s doing here. I’m just not into the standard gospel chops style. Notice how the groove never stops even when he is throwing in those small fills. Also none of his fills in this use anything other than kick snare hihat, he didn’t touch his toms once. For an example of what I’m not as in to, go watch a Thomas pridgen video. That’s a good example of the kind of chops I’m talking about.
OK. Thus is only my 3rd time seeing this Brotha playing and I'm now convinced that he and Larnell Lewis need to have a "drum off". We will all be left skinless and labotomized when it's all over. LOL!
The real trick is writing music that makes 7 groove in the mind of a listener. Melody is what drives rhythm for most people. There have been mainstream hits in 7/4. Think “Money”, “Solsbury Hill”. The melody and the lyric are what make ‘odd’ time so intoxicating.
First exercise to Polyrhythms as an African due to a African rhythms such rhythms are our daily food, But this is a good exercise for mental independence
Can anyone explain the timing of the beat he plays at about 2:11? I think his hihat is playing triplets but the bass drum and rim click give a polyrhythmic feel? It clearly throws the crowd off the count! Threw me too :D
What he's doing is called 'metric modulation'. You are correct in that he's playing triplets, but accents every 4th triplet with BD and SD alternating. Essentially he's using the original triplets as 16ths for a new groove. It's a beautiful concept that totally messes you up if you don't hear it coming, specially with a simple groove. Your ear immediately re calibrates to the 4/4 it's used to.
Nice job Jojo Schwarz. I think some people also call it the 'hemiola' but your description is to the T. You can take any subdivision (triplet, regular 16th) and then impose the Xth element of that set to psychologically train the audience, and the original beat boundary (the quarter note or whatever) disappears.
ah ah it's quite simple to master, but you can totally loose your guitarist and bassist on this type of modulation. I do that on simple beats with my band on rehearsals, and if i don't accent on the 4/4 beat at the end of the bar they're totally lost ! Funny to do ;-)
Counting to seven repeatedly for three minutes has never been this fun
I could not agree more.
Until now.
Jordan I'm sayinggggg haha
Guthrie Govan - Sevens... check it out
420protoman oooooh throwback!!! good one! almost forgot about sevens!
7/4 with 8th-note triplet subdivisions, 32nd-note paradiddles, and 4/4 metric modulations with the pulse on every other 8th-note triplet! FINALLY, something I can dance to!!!
Hahahahhaahaha
@@arthurfranca5516 Lol I forgot I wrote this comment, I feel like I just time traveled back a year. No one seems to have challenged my rhythmic analysis at least 🤨
@@OwenAdamsMusic hope you are still dancing to it lol
I mean come on, if youre not shaking your hip in alternating paradiddlediddles to 7/8th swiss army triplets, are you even really dancing?
@@andreaalexis2937 Any tips for a beginner drummer (myself) who understands nothing of the rhythmic analysis you are making?
Well that was humbling.
I laughed more about this comment then I probably should.
Because it's true.
like for real, as a music major, this put me down cuz this was not the standard clap
At first I messed up because I expected it to be in 4/4. Then I read the comments and saw that it was in 7/4. I counted 1,2,1,2,1,2, (clap) and got it right every time.
@@boboloko It should be (clap), 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1 etc. The clap is the first beat of the bar, not the last.
@@samcooke343 okay, how about clap 2, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, clap 2, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2 ...?
My daddy always said if you can get a crowd moving with just a bass drum, high hat and snare you were a *certified bad ass*
just play dotted sixteenths
He was playing snare lol
Nate Smith WRITES the certificates.
my daddy taught me not to be ashamed of my triplets
sweenytv, the bottom feeding checkmark in the comments!!! love to see it. i bet your dad really did say that you clout chasing goof
Couple of cool things about the part at 2:11, where the clappers lose it. If we're in 7/4, and assuming claps on 1, he throws us off by starting his groove on the CLAP rather than every time before starting really on the 2nd beat. It's still triplet hi-hats like the bars before, but split into groups of 4. This technique is called metric modulation, and it sounds like the tempo changes (tempo-rarily).
If you watch his left foot on the hi hat, you can see him counting 3 -4-5-6-7 in the original pulse, while he's playing the metric modulation over the top, so he's still feeling that 7 pulse. Something else, if it helps too. A bar of 7/4 in triplets is a total of 21 hits on the hi-hat (3x7). So if you split that into a four pulse, you can count it as 1234 1234 1234 1234 1234 1 CLAP, or listen for K234 S234 K234 S234 K234 1 CLAP. where K is kick and S is snare hit
James H Dude thank you for this! I get it now. I'd still probably clap offbeat by accident, but I understand why it'd be offbeat now!
thanks for explain this..
Counting along, I really want the clap to be on the 4. I feel super awkward clapping on the 1 in general regardless the time signature.
@@hughkills I totally hear you about wanting the clap to be on 4 (or 7)! Even George Collier's analysis of this video comes from that perspective.
I'll direct you to 0:41, though. Nate starts conducting a bar of 4/4 with the clap on the downbeat (that's my interpretation at least). I see him dividing the groove into 4/4 + 3/4 with the clap on beat 1 of the 4/4 bar.
I'm not throwing any shade! This discussion is just SUPER interesting to me! I have a hard time hearing the clap on beat 7 and I come back to this video often to try to train myself to be able to hear it that way.
@@troopjunior just count 13/8
clap on 13
man just when you start to think you know a little bit about music
Caleb yeah you're right man thanks
Caleb lol why'd you be this harsh
I wasn't aware everyone could play subdivisions like this, but Caleb, he took me to school
i rarely see a guy commenting at youtube willingly taking L , you supposed to clap back bruh
wasn't that a little bit tooooo mean? come on..it's a person with feeling you are talking to bro
holy shit he's really doing those 16ths on one hand
Lol
it wont take long just keep at it bud
Lol no one could find the clap when he accented the offbeat triplets
Yeah hehe.
They still did good, considering in most shows, when there's a quiet part in 4/4, the crowd can never clap on tempo for even a single bar.
except the bassist
@@Shane988 and that man was called adam neely
Yeah I watched that part a few times- I can’t get it either 😂
I lold
And this is why no matter the experience you should always count the beats as a drummer. Feeling will only get you that far.
@@andrewmitchell8 And they years of experience he/she has.
it can work both ways equally well. in the end, being able to feel odd time is better than counting it./ I learned all the prog songs i liked when i was a kid,. perfectly before learning to count them. Yes, now I can count.. but as I said, both work..
This is like a test for yourself.
I wish there was, like an album of this for the listener to get involved like this.
I'd love to rest myself on this shit all day and in turn, feel complex groove modulations more naturally.
I get what's going on when he does it.
It's just alot to actually FEEL and not actually count. Lol
It’s called Pocket Change by Nate Smith. It’ll change your life.
3:12 "nasty"
She's not wrong
I've never heard a bass drum tuned so perfectly.
I both smiled and cried at 3:06 that High-hat and stick combination is legendary.
How many of y'all sit here and watch this dude and just stare at your phone or your computer and just shake your head back-and-forth in disbelief because I know I do...
*raises hand*
Nathan Walsh How could I shake it in disbelieve because you do?
I feel personally attacked by this relatable content.
lmao you spyin on me dafuq
I shake my head back and forth cause it helped me keep rhythm.
I love the musician on the right claps on bit effortlessly every single time
This dudes drumming is just so inspirational. Love everything he does.
So I failed the first clap, and the second. And then the rest.
Every drummer love this video
Hakan ARIK aawwhh There's one now..!
Everyone likes this video
I love the guy recording (or maybe close to the camera), laughing his ass off at the beginning. I love it
Chaotic Good that was me!
@@Shedthemusic Didn't know you responded! Everytime I come back to this video I laugh along haha!
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if the general Chicago resident knows how to count in 7/4
@S Tra bruh
Tool fan from Chicago checking in
Incredible! You know that Nate is also a fantastic human being....he means every note he plays!
One of de most important drummers, excelent
one two three four five six sev.. what?
one two three four five six clap
one two three four i get it now clap
one two three four five six clap
one-and and and whatthe hellis goingon and-clap
one rest rest rest rest rest clap YEAHH
lol
(though the clap's always on the one)
@@GhANeC not sure about that
@@AwesomeMan2696 what are you sure about then?
Clap 2 3 4 5 6 7
Clap 2 3 4 5 6 7
etc
lol 😂
A great example of someone that listened when he practiced.
Love Nate Smith!!!!! Amazing drummer and a real class act!!! 👏
So much better than any of the thousand shredding drum solos I've suffered to watch, this guy is the boss
This video had just ended and I’m still counting to seven. Send help.
Everybody gangsta until Nate starts playing in 7/8
This has got to the wildest drum grooving I have ever seen in more than three decades of playing drums. What makes it so wild to me is that the reference point of time seems to morph like mid-phrase or mid-section or something. It’s as if Christopher Nolan made the movie Tenet into a drum groove.
Always brings a huge fuckin' smile to my face.
Watched this thing as many times as I've watched 50% of all other videos together... that's the count! :D
If he tried this in Sweden he would get 0 timed claps lmao
lmfao
lol why
MK Piano white people lol amirite
Though i am guessing russians would be fine
Heard theycare good with this
Meshuggah is from Sweden.
If I had a musical career of any kind i would be questioning it right about now...
My day be so fine, _then boom.. 7/8 beat_
Time is a wonderful thing. I'm not a musician, but I can appreciate how hard it is to count to seven, for three minutes, with varying speeds of music playing
Great vid
See, that's the thing. He didn't change the speed at all. He was just messing with the rhythms to make it _sound_ like he was changing speeds (or tempo, as the cool kids call it)
Saxophone in the top right standing there like „yup, just another Thursday“
The Ace of Aces.
Hiroshi Tanahashi?
Ive been watching this ever since it came out, and im still here
love that little swung shuffle he threw in there, nice mixup
Haha, I was at this show! I sat in the first row of tables on the left end. It was a blast!
This the jazz showcase or where was it?
For the love of the counting gods! this dude is amazing!
I love this, like a musical puzzle game for the audience :D
If it weren't for the saxophonist, no one would clap in time 🤣
First time seeing this. Very impressed.
the sax player "O no, not again!"
What a great way to make a point
Savage! This is Chicago man... haha stunning demonstration of pocket, time and odd meter playing
Gotta respect that saxophonist! Didn't get it wrong once!
I mean if you play the saxophone and cant count in weird time signatures what on earth are you supposed to play?
I find this great rhythm exercise to practice to.
Nate Smith is the J Dilla of drumming, perfect! I would say it’s the Smith-time-groove-polyrhythm-Maschine. ❤
This is so much more impressive to me than dumb chops(which most of the time are useless). Dudes like Nate and Steve Jordan that play groove are much more stimulating to the ear imo
rippindrummer666 especially when they’re this good at it !
I mean this took a ton of chops plus it was in an odd time so like I'm not entirely sure your point lol
PorkchopSandviches I think this dude’s talking about like Gospel Chops style stuff. He’s just expressing a preference! :)
@@brendanmcgrath4831 I mean yeah obviously that's fine, people have different tastes and that's what's cool about music. My point was just that he said he doesn't like dumb chops yet that's kinda exactly what this video was haha
Chops are fine within a groove which he’s doing here. I’m just not into the standard gospel chops style. Notice how the groove never stops even when he is throwing in those small fills. Also none of his fills in this use anything other than kick snare hihat, he didn’t touch his toms once. For an example of what I’m not as in to, go watch a Thomas pridgen video. That’s a good example of the kind of chops I’m talking about.
The legendary Jaleel
Shaw on the saxamaphone lol
Omar Saleem yessir
@2:27 he even got the sax guy
Been playing drums for 18+ years.. and some of his counting structure still doesn’t make sense to me 😂😂 gotta love Nate man
OK. Thus is only my 3rd time seeing this Brotha playing and I'm now convinced that he and Larnell Lewis need to have a "drum off". We will all be left skinless and labotomized when it's all over. LOL!
This video will always be legendary. I keep coming back to it. Nate smith is not from this planet
This dude is a human metronome!!!
Never heard of the guy.... Nate Smith is awesome.
Very entertaining and great beats! 🎶
one of the most satisfying things ive ever yootubbed
He didn’t learn the drums, the drums learned him
fascinating! tricky as heck! I'd love to see more stuff like this.
The real trick is writing music that makes 7 groove in the mind of a listener. Melody is what drives rhythm for most people. There have been mainstream hits in 7/4. Think “Money”, “Solsbury Hill”. The melody and the lyric are what make ‘odd’ time so intoxicating.
Who be on a Nate Smith binge after this?
Amazing! I made it all the way..thanks for sharing
Why is he so good? JUST AWESOME!
Excellent..
Wonderful...
I counted this more like a 1-2 1-2 1-2-Clap as opposed to a 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. Idk why lol. Just found it easier.
i mean you're basically right. it should be counted as three beats then four beats and keep repeating. 1-2-3-1-2-3-4 based on how he conducted it
tsmores Oh yeah I didn’t even notice that. You’re definitely right.
Buddy miles did something similar in his solo tour in ‘71 during his drum solo in the song wrap it up.
I always have the 7/8 beat of March of the Pigs by NIN playing in my head throughout the day
One of the absolute best
こんなに楽しい四分の七拍子は初めてです♪
That is absolutely fucking sick. Amazing...
Damn that high hat work is insane
magical grooves
Today's best drummer in the world.
That rhythm switch up was absolute KRUD!!!
RRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!! NATE SMITH FTMFW!
clap 7/4 is nearly impossible for germans, if its not 2/4 or 4/4 we get confused and start to bite the drummer :DD
Glaub nicht dass das woanders nicht auch so ist bei den meisten... Verhältnismäßig gibts auch nicht so viele songs in 7/4
then marco minnemann must be a spy
TheLasagne As is Thomas Lang
Oh, wait, kommt er aus Österreich?
Tell that to Wagner and the Ride of the Valkyries. (in 3)
How good is the sound on this video!!
Keeping count? Easy peasy
His drum chops.... OMFG!
man, this is hard.
This is just beautiful.
Wow! Yeah! I love it so much, it's so good
this makes me anxious and exited both same
Nate Smith good timing
2:12 onward he gets me every time as he slows down or something..
A great lesson
my favorite drummer
First exercise to Polyrhythms as an African due to a African rhythms such rhythms are our daily food, But this is a good exercise for mental independence
maaan he is incredible!
I was counting it in seven with the claps on six. . .
Can anyone explain the timing of the beat he plays at about 2:11? I think his hihat is playing triplets but the bass drum and rim click give a polyrhythmic feel?
It clearly throws the crowd off the count! Threw me too :D
What he's doing is called 'metric modulation'. You are correct in that he's playing triplets, but accents every 4th triplet with BD and SD alternating. Essentially he's using the original triplets as 16ths for a new groove. It's a beautiful concept that totally messes you up if you don't hear it coming, specially with a simple groove. Your ear immediately re calibrates to the 4/4 it's used to.
Jojo Schwarz thank you for explaining that so well.I think part of me ‘knew’ that but couldn’t put it into words 😄 better get practicing!
Nice job Jojo Schwarz. I think some people also call it the 'hemiola' but your description is to the T. You can take any subdivision (triplet, regular 16th) and then impose the Xth element of that set to psychologically train the audience, and the original beat boundary (the quarter note or whatever) disappears.
is it possible that the groove he did is polyrhythmic feel or just accents on the triplets?
ah ah it's quite simple to master, but you can totally loose your guitarist and bassist on this type of modulation. I do that on simple beats with my band on rehearsals, and if i don't accent on the 4/4 beat at the end of the bar they're totally lost ! Funny to do ;-)
3:01-3:04 that’s the magic right there
I've smiled throughout the video like a kid.
Whaaaaaaaaaaa dude that was AWESOME!!! Lining this up with some of bela bartok in 7 would probably make magic. You are SKILLED my dude.
Nate is truly on top and seems to be a nice person too :)
nate the grenade smith... i just felt like writing this (didn't put much thought into it if you wondered)
it's good
That was fucking outstanding.
How f#@king cool is this?!?!
How enjoyable was that?! 😁👍
that was great as well nuts