VICE's bankruptcy was earned: here's why

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  • @ArDeeMee
    @ArDeeMee Рік тому +1597

    I think it is a good thing you stood up for Apple - in this particular instance. Having shitty policies doesn’t mean everyone gets to point and laugh when you try and protect your IP that was infringed upon.
    Jerks have rights, too.
    Observing those rights doesn‘t make you a „fan“.
    It means you are trying your best to be fair.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +443

      If I don't stand up for the rights of my sworn enemy, how can I expect anyone to stand up for mine?
      I don't believe the current implementation of IP law is ideal. However, the way Jack Telecom broke it was with willful intent to deceive. That's disgusting.
      Henrik Huseby was not intending to deceive anyone, and was collateral damage in Apple's action to hold someone accountable. That must be made clear. It doesn't change that Apple had a reasonable justification for their anger at this situation.

    • @mattstroker3742
      @mattstroker3742 Рік тому +16

      I want to buy a similar chair to Louis has. What would I need to Google? I can't find it and I've been searching online in the Netherlands the entire day. Tia!

    • @aquinamedia4508
      @aquinamedia4508 Рік тому +24

      @@rossmanngroup Would be pretty neat if Apple was as humble as you, no matter, you're a proverbial tank that stands up for doing the right thing, take that and hold your head real high.
      I respect you so much more than trillion billion dollar brand, in other words they are just another soulless corporation so far from their roots it's not even funny.
      /END_RANT

    • @DanteKG.
      @DanteKG. Рік тому +16

      @@rossmanngroup Put simply: Credit where credit is due. I hate Apple as well, their most inhumane practices and predatory pricing and vendor lock-in... but I must say product hardware and software is top tier regardless of the process before said product.
      In this case, yes, no one should label a part with official logo even if that part is up to standard, only if the brand owner allows it. This is deceiving buyers/users and at the end of the day I stand for the people (the "consumers") (as long as it's not unfair towards the manufacturer)

    • @ChristopherBurtraw
      @ChristopherBurtraw Рік тому +49

      Same ideology goes for civil rights, they must be defended even for heinous criminals, even if that makes us uncomfortable. It's just the best way we have to do things.

  • @NationX
    @NationX Рік тому +1662

    I stopped trusting VICE when I watched one of their videos and they purposely translated the words of one of their interviewees to something waaaay different, darker, and dramatic than what the person actually said. Luckily there were a bunch of people in the comments calling them out in their bullshit.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +393

      They have zero integrity

    • @none-qs3sl
      @none-qs3sl Рік тому +51

      Based and redpilled

    • @roadent217
      @roadent217 Рік тому +48

      Which documentary was it, which word was it, what does it mean, and what did VICE translate it as?

    • @babyjiren9676
      @babyjiren9676 Рік тому +25

      you trust any form of media?

    • @lisat9707
      @lisat9707 Рік тому

      Omg Soooo stupid🤦‍♀️. Yup they went the way if the I want to say dodo but dodo birds deserve better....
      🤔 They went the way of the Trump election appeal.😂

  • @JamesRichardsPlays
    @JamesRichardsPlays Рік тому +277

    I've always viewed VICE as sensational "news" outlet. They did a piece on the "mole people" here in Vegas some time ago and entire pieces of my interview (and others in the crew that helps these people) got cut out or misrepresented. Narrative completely changed by doing it. I am happy to see them fold.

    • @exelmans8855
      @exelmans8855 Рік тому

      Why the hell would you let those satanic demons interviewed you?

    • @eldenfindley186
      @eldenfindley186 Рік тому

      How do you feel about those people?

    • @JamesRichardsPlays
      @JamesRichardsPlays Рік тому

      @@eldenfindley186 About VICE? Untrustworthy and disingenuous.
      The "Mole People"? Fun. Interesting. More trustworthy than the people I met at VICE. While they are mostly self sufficient people, we still make our way to the larger washes and tunnels and let them know when raining season has started or when the city practices water diversion. We remind them of food pantries and places they can go for meals.

    • @Steven_Grey
      @Steven_Grey Рік тому +2

      I would be interested in hearing what you had to say! The "mole people" (i hate that term) fascinate me

    • @JamesRichardsPlays
      @JamesRichardsPlays Рік тому +13

      @@Steven_Grey The term "mole people" for me has also turned slightly sour. When we started using the term years ago, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. It has slowly turned into a pejorative, but there is nothing else anyone can think of that resembles or describes them more. They aren't just homeless (the general disdain for that group that has developed might also be part of the reason), they are quite industrious and develop a working (for the most part) community wherever they go AND find a use for "trash" the rest of us throw away or take for granted. I mean, how pretentious and classist is it to call the homeless... I think the term was "unhoused"? I was homeless from 2011 to 2012 when my business went under, in the most spectacular fashion. My employees were fine but me and my cofounder were so utterly devastated, we lost everything. This particular group seem to be more "off grid" living people who would like to stay in the city close to the services and amenities they have grown accustomed to. A large portion of them are pushed into it and would rather be doing something than sitting on their arse all day anyway. There is a lot to the story of this culture.

  • @christianhoney4244
    @christianhoney4244 Рік тому +605

    I used to work for Vice Germany and they kicked me out after I told the CEO that they are treating interns like serfs and that I disagreed with that. So I agree with you!

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou Рік тому +76

      How progressive of them.

    • @labrador-fx3fb
      @labrador-fx3fb Рік тому +9

      It was me that fired you for questioning why I was letting my labradors in the office. Don't mess with my doggos

    • @DeepakKumar-uj6br
      @DeepakKumar-uj6br Рік тому +20

      @@WayStedYou far left and islamist took over that channel

    • @BouncingCow
      @BouncingCow Рік тому +2

      @@labrador-fx3fb Even if that was true, you would be in the wrong firing someone over a personal issue, even though i admit, that i love labratdoors, they are adorable.

    • @labrador-fx3fb
      @labrador-fx3fb Рік тому +4

      @@BouncingCow They are Labradorable - not just adorable but LABRADORABLE. And yes, it's totally true. They knew the risks: don't mess with the labs

  • @johnschreiber1574
    @johnschreiber1574 Рік тому +194

    The most outrageous part about not correcting today's publishing errors, is that there really is almost no cost to fix it. NO TYPESETTING, NO NEWSPRINT... required.

    • @nicholaskaye9380
      @nicholaskaye9380 Рік тому

      I think the people that control Vice do t measure costs in dollars, but in units of power. They probably tie the price to the current supply of adremecrome.

    • @notreal5135
      @notreal5135 Рік тому +6

      I actually think the lack of cost might be part of the problem for it. A correction costing a noticeable amount of money makes it more easy to believe that they are trustworthy because they spent actual resources. An unnoticed correction on a clickbait story that is probably going to not be read much anymore after the initial airtime was probably weighed to have no effect. It’s just poor ethics meeting a business decision. The lack of cost would also mean less need to vet what your saying leading to more problems.

    • @johnschreiber1574
      @johnschreiber1574 Рік тому +5

      @@notreal5135 so a correction would need a monetization scheme, equal to or better than the original clickbait story. The internet is broken...

  • @auroragb
    @auroragb Рік тому +1322

    Vice consistently chases the headlines but when there's correction, they never follow up

    • @mememachine-386
      @mememachine-386 Рік тому +71

      Not defending Vice, but this is the behavior of all mainstream media.

    • @idkjames
      @idkjames Рік тому +29

      Sad thing is that VICE had good stuff back in the day. Then they went wacko Edit. The Hermit Kingdom series is a good example

    • @iceink
      @iceink Рік тому +7

      vice is fine, their documentaries seem pretty good 👍

    • @iceink
      @iceink Рік тому

      at least theyre not fox news lying about voting machines then refusing to correct it for millions of dollars lmao

    • @nicwelch
      @nicwelch Рік тому

      @@iceinkVice is garbage.

  • @BronzedTube
    @BronzedTube Рік тому +557

    Vice was like having a cooler older brother, who ends up on drugs and stealing from your parents. They were awesome when they first started and went way downhill fast.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому

      Yup, so many media entities these days feel like good friends that became drug addicts and criminals.

    • @watertrooper
      @watertrooper Рік тому +54

      Hope your brother is doing okay. 😂

    • @ML-dk7bf
      @ML-dk7bf Рік тому +42

      I remember that they used to be the best, raw, unedited live coverage of events without commentary, people on the ground showing what was going on.
      Overnight the company changed, it was back in 2014 when they were doing the reporting on the Invasion of Crimea, they went public, got their own network television channel, and suddenly within weeks the whole news network sucked. I still followed them for awhile, but it was like watching a good friend get their soul sucked out in real time.

    • @trentbateman
      @trentbateman Рік тому +2

      It really is. Great analogy

    • @whytho1690
      @whytho1690 Рік тому +9

      And in an ironic twist, it was actually because they _stopped_ doing drugs and became a trust-fund elitist.

  • @parnellitube
    @parnellitube Рік тому +457

    The thing about news oulets (no matter their political bias) is that everything they say sounds believable right up until they cover a topic in which you're an expert.

    • @TheDiner50
      @TheDiner50 Рік тому +36

      Problem is. Even basic knowledge in a topic is enough nowadays.

    • @Carandini
      @Carandini Рік тому +35

      Yep. That right there, because if they get something you KNOW is wrong then how can you trust that the material about things you don't know so much about isn't equally wrong.

    • @rickspalding3047
      @rickspalding3047 Рік тому +2

      You don't need an expert for majority of it anymore, it's pathetic

    • @robertc.9503
      @robertc.9503 Рік тому +26

      Also known as the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect:
      "Media carries with it a credibility that is totally undeserved. You have all experienced this, in what I call the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. (I refer to it by this name because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have.)
      Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
      In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.
      That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I'd point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all. But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn't. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia."
      - Michael Crichton

    • @MrFlugi
      @MrFlugi Рік тому +8

      the same happens with chatGPT :D

  • @KANJICODER
    @KANJICODER Рік тому +96

    I remember back in the day when vice did documentaries and their reporters actually risked their lives.

    • @Martin-dg7it
      @Martin-dg7it Рік тому +16

      Right? That's the VICE I remember as well - can't believe what they morphed into...

    • @KANJICODER
      @KANJICODER Рік тому

      @@Martin-dg7it Sometimes I wonder if the whole vice going under was part of the plan. "I don't like what these people are saying, let's buy them." Imagine having so much money that when a news company says something you don't like, you can just buy the company and make it fail.
      Am I crazy here?

    • @sadface7457
      @sadface7457 Рік тому +12

      We watched them go to north Korea in history class

    • @jpablo700
      @jpablo700 Рік тому

      Amen!

    • @dutchmilk
      @dutchmilk Рік тому +1

      vice were never truthful. their so called risk is all rubbish.

  • @tedpikul1
    @tedpikul1 Рік тому +24

    Excellent video, very well-stated. Especially the part about nutcases getting credibility because of mainstream truth holes. Very frustrating.

  • @XVXC-M8
    @XVXC-M8 Рік тому +819

    I hope to see one day the reaction of VICE when they realise their 500000th article on drugs, sex, and blatant lies doesn’t make money

    • @walkingcontradiction223
      @walkingcontradiction223 Рік тому

      ​@@dukeburger5embarrassed Squirtle face.

    • @haroldflower8008
      @haroldflower8008 Рік тому

      vice when they realize "fentanyl overdose epidemic" isn't getting the views it used to

    • @mariokarter13
      @mariokarter13 Рік тому +36

      I'm pretty sure they were originally founded as a magazine. Which would make sense as to why they'd write the same article over and over again if it's meant to be skimmed in the waiting room.

    • @KidCorporate
      @KidCorporate Рік тому +94

      But where will I go to get the latest information on Venezuelan transgendered ketamine dealers?

    • @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936
      @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 Рік тому +17

      @@KidCorporate I have been concerned about this, as well. WHERE will we find this kind of journalism ? Maybe the "new" fox network will pick up this mantel... they got an open time slot.

  • @AllAmericanGuyExpert
    @AllAmericanGuyExpert Рік тому +15

    Hey Louis, I owned a website that Vice bought. You know what they did to it? Ran it into the ground with poor content, lots of ads, and links to the rest of their brain dead empire of sites. I didn't shed a tear yesterday, either!

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 Рік тому +1124

    Vice failing is almost as awesome as Buzzfeed and Gawker going the way of the Dodo.

    • @walkingcontradiction223
      @walkingcontradiction223 Рік тому +52

      All the sensationalism should fall off the cliff.. There's still MSM or "What we want you to think tonight" doing it.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Рік тому +52

      I hope that Vox would be on that list.

    • @jppalm3944
      @jppalm3944 Рік тому

      Ha ha. FOX INVESTED IN VICE. Yes they did

    • @iceink
      @iceink Рік тому +21

      how about newsmax and daily wire? :)))

    • @walkingcontradiction223
      @walkingcontradiction223 Рік тому +12

      @@iceink Don't know much about them, aren't they subscription based? I don't have enough time in the day to watch UA-cam. Speaking of which, this platform is going to fail eventually; the aggregation of data that's growing exponentially can't be a viable buisiness model.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog Рік тому +2

    I hereby bid $100 for the Vice UA-cam channel.

  • @SpyderTracks
    @SpyderTracks Рік тому +180

    I really admire you, Louie, the fact you can actually reference you past videos from years ago and you’re still standing up as the justified corner of the internet. I admire also the way you always ask for feedback from people. We really do need honest people like you in office.

    • @dereksbooks
      @dereksbooks Рік тому

      It's hilarious that Louis, as an activist, has far more journalistic integrity than Vice "journalists" who aren't supposed to be activists!

  • @ShapeyFiend
    @ShapeyFiend Рік тому +15

    Integrity is an overhead that most media can't afford anymore. Proper reporting is time intensive and they barely pay journalists as it is. That's on the readers who gravitate towards free content to some extent not everything can be advert supported. For what its worth I'll miss Vice for the documentaries some of which were quite entertaining.

  • @Ammo1313
    @Ammo1313 Рік тому +165

    You are being reasonable. I agree that news needs to be corrected when they make a mistake, and not in small print on page 8.

    • @linusgustafsson2629
      @linusgustafsson2629 Рік тому +9

      BREAKING NEWS!
      Our news were broken, but we fixed them. And we also finally used the tag correctly.

    • @iceink
      @iceink Рік тому

      like fox news with dominion voting and not reporting about the nazi supreme court conservative?

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому +3

      Yup, bang on about the false narrative for hours on end on primetime, barely spend a minute mentioning the correction in some off hour news.

    • @elimgarak1127
      @elimgarak1127 Рік тому +8

      Exactly why I can't watch any of the news on TV these days. Horrendously wrong about xyz, minor correction months after the damage is done, or double down. It's all so tiresome.

  • @zalafinari
    @zalafinari Рік тому +45

    I had a family friend who was interviewed for a Vice article tell me the following after I posted a link to the article.
    "The info in that article was stolen...guy ripped me off, misquoted, coloured RCMP version of what happened" and "I gave him all the facts and he chose to glamorize it instead."
    I've been leery of their reporting ever since.

    • @wojakthecrusader1410
      @wojakthecrusader1410 10 місяців тому

      That's pretty much modern journalism lol. They are desperate for money it's just fact.

  • @pickleman40
    @pickleman40 Рік тому +248

    Vice was really cool 15 years ago, the moment they started to consider themself news was the end.
    Simon was ok

    • @badlydrawncars6460
      @badlydrawncars6460 Рік тому +34

      Shane was a lunatic but an entertaining lunatic. I've watched his North Korea trip hundreds of times lol,

    • @kanedaku
      @kanedaku Рік тому +2

      Thanks, Pickleman! 😘

    • @brassmule
      @brassmule Рік тому +27

      Vice went downhill when Gavin McInnes, one of the three founders, departed in 2007 - 16 years ago.

    • @rinserofwinds
      @rinserofwinds Рік тому +13

      @@brassmule to be fair, Gavin McInnes also went downhill, when he departed 16 years ago ;)

    • @rdale2k5
      @rdale2k5 Рік тому +17

      Agreed. Used to be very entertaining back then when it had a more "guerilla news" feel to it . Today's (well yesterday's Vice now) Vice looked NOTHING like it did back then.

  • @StrangeQuark-kp6kb
    @StrangeQuark-kp6kb Рік тому +7

    You are perfectly correct. And this is how things should be done. On the other hand, considering integrity and validity of other media outlets, the alternatives to Vice are even worse...

  • @mrpadh5243
    @mrpadh5243 Рік тому +83

    I watch this guy Louis for one reason. He has this amazing ability to swear at just the right time. Doesn't swear too much. Doesn't swear too little. Just nails it every time and he has me cracking up.😂😂

    • @lisat9707
      @lisat9707 Рік тому

      Verbal Diarrhea is a plague in society. Swear words mean nothing if used often. If I ever drop the f bomb.. it's not just a flutter but a damn nuclear hurricane and my friends and family know it.

    • @TheHoobajoob
      @TheHoobajoob Рік тому +2

      he really does

    • @kayef5724
      @kayef5724 Рік тому

      😂😂

  • @JannePaalijarvi
    @JannePaalijarvi Рік тому +17

    This is exactly what I have been saying for years. To operate a news media, one needs to have all members of the team working for truth. Everyone at all times, without personal biases. Occasionally everyone gets something wrong, but they should admit the errors with the means proportionate to the original story. What usually happens here is that the corrections get hidden or they don't happen at all because the reporters/news outlets are too arrogant to admit they were wrong. This is just childishness to the max. And this is exactly what drives people to embrace fake media. Regular media creates the demand and temptation for fake media.

    • @matthewskipworth28
      @matthewskipworth28 Рік тому

      "And this is exactly what drives people to embrace fake media. Regular media creates the demand and temptation for fake media." Exactly! This is especially true when people look to fake news (or extremely biased news outlets), it's because it's all twisted and only shades of truth, so people think 'we can't trust any of it, at least these guys are saying something different!'
      In having to do more research (because) we can't trust the single one (or 2) we used to be able to trust, we need to find a range of sources- which is likely to lead us to looking into less reputable sources...

  • @davidchang2015
    @davidchang2015 Рік тому +189

    trust is hard to gain and easy to lose. it's very valuable and it makes me really wonder why people nowadays so easily throw away their credibility. I don't agree with everything you say but I value your input because you present all the facts.

    • @andyroid5028
      @andyroid5028 Рік тому +6

      *Well said. ✓*

    • @mariokarter13
      @mariokarter13 Рік тому +22

      The less you're allowed to question something, the more skeptical you should become.
      You can't poke holes in the truth.

    • @hvanmegen
      @hvanmegen Рік тому +13

      There's a dutch saying that roughly translates to "Trust comes on foot but leaves by horse". Louis is someone I would trust not to fuck me over but go for the win:win deal..

    • @iceink
      @iceink Рік тому

      fox news

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому +5

      Yup, big entities these days are far too quick and reckless when it comes to destroying their public trust to push an agenda.
      It's a really shortsighted strategy, going all in on the quick win while losing everyone in the long term.

  • @_TheMentor
    @_TheMentor Рік тому +3

    Yea, I used to enjoy VICE until the Naomi Wu (Sexy Cyborg) story came up. When she made some very clear boundaries for VICE's mini-doc featuring her, some rules that, one, were very reasonable, two, do not detract from the doc, three, could seriously put unessecary and even dangerous attention on her, and four, VICE AGREED to omit those few things. Except when the article came out, it had everything there, including everything she was told would be left out.
    When I saw how much MORE popular that terrible VICE article was than these other articles talking about how scummy VICE is, that was it for me. It seems since then, they have not changed at all, they are more of a National Enquierer in video format, rather than a 'news agency'. They profit off of exaggerating the truth, exploiting people, and shock value. Which is unfortunate, since I know there are some genuinely good reporters there who are actually trying to do the right thing and trying to grow and be ethical reporters.
    You are not harsh, the US has a serious issue with the way they consume media labelled as 'news' and it has really screwed things up. It is imperative that anyone claiming to be a news outlet have that integrity whether that is good/bad/indifferent to their biases.

  • @sixter4157
    @sixter4157 Рік тому +63

    This reminded me of when Marc Cohodes came out with the information that showed FTX was fraudulent. He gave the information on a silver platter to Bloomberg. They refused to run with it because they were afraid to lose access to SBF.

    • @martharetallick204
      @martharetallick204 Рік тому +16

      Shades of Harry Markopolis. He tried to alert authorities to Bernie Madoff and his shenanigans. No one would listen and that's what Harry called his book.

    • @mikeryan1953
      @mikeryan1953 Рік тому +3

      SBF =Super Best Friend?
      J/K

  • @georgescott4505
    @georgescott4505 Рік тому +4

    Its amazing, this guy here. I remember watching Louis when his channel was all about repair, watching him fix a computer, while mesmerized and fascinated with all his technical talk that I never understood.
    And now he has these talks about business, NYC which I guess you can call politics, and right to repair.
    I'm still just as interested in his channel and also now actually understand everything that he is saying, and so far I have agreed with him on everything despite being an independent thinker.😆
    I really do like what he is saying, and he's not boring either.
    Now with Vice, down with any media that lies! One time and their done in my book!
    I will not tolerate being lied to. Lies are the first step in manipulating people into doing or not doing things, and maybe in a certain way sometimes too, especially from a lying media with an agenda, whatever that agenda may be.

  • @mariokarter13
    @mariokarter13 Рік тому +43

    They really rely on the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, huh?
    That's when you read news about something you know a lot about, realize how they're wrong about absolutely everything, then turn the page and believe the news is right about the next topic because you don't know much about it.

    • @brentkeller3826
      @brentkeller3826 Рік тому +5

      It's how the media as a whole operates.
      And our current government leadership.
      "Oh, things aren't like that! That didn't happen, believe me not your eyes!"

  • @fjdkfjdk
    @fjdkfjdk Рік тому +7

    I 100% agree. It takes exactly one unretracted lie for me to distrust a news organization.

  • @kennethM
    @kennethM Рік тому +48

    Nobody prints retractions anymore. It's crazy. Insincere UA-cam apologies appear to have more integrity. At least they kinda acknowledge that they made a mistake even if they don't believe it.

    • @Dennis-vh8tz
      @Dennis-vh8tz Рік тому +11

      It's pretty sad when "we are sorry that others think we made a mistake" is too much to hope for.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому +5

      Yeah I see far more corrections and apologies from alt news youtubers than major news networks these days.

    • @rickspalding3047
      @rickspalding3047 Рік тому

      New York times makes changes 6 months later and says nothing that they did

  • @-obamium5320
    @-obamium5320 11 місяців тому +3

    They are still producing terrible news reports that are wrong and slanderous. They also won an Emmy recently for a terrible news report

    • @gurugurumawaru7869
      @gurugurumawaru7869 11 місяців тому +1

      Is it the Japan one? I’ve seen it. Absolute dogsh*t. They’re full of sh*t and so is Emmy. US-based “news” tended to be just sensationalism of things they didn’t know.

  • @CMDRSweeper
    @CMDRSweeper Рік тому +49

    Vice seemed like a good thing until they did the mistake of stepping into an area where I had some expertise.
    Suddenly I did notice that their "documentaries" were a bit biased and had a lot of errors in them, so you are right Louis, they do screw up.
    The problem is that you have to invest a bit more time to see the full truth of it all, which makes the value they bring, less than the work you have to put in for yourself, and that is not good.
    Of course, the contract they sent you, sort of also highlighted what a scummy outfit they were.

    • @Person01234
      @Person01234 Рік тому

      Just so you know this is the case with ALL mainstream news media. The moment they start talking about things you know very deeply about, you will notice that it's mostly if not entirely garbage. This doesn't change when they talk about things you don't know so much about, you just don't notice it as much. Science reporting has been basically a joke for a long time because science is an area where factual accuracy is important and known, but they do no better on any other subject.

    • @AtomickPixel-uk2vp
      @AtomickPixel-uk2vp Рік тому

      They become another murican leftist propoganda outlet.

  • @GettinUp
    @GettinUp Рік тому +10

    Loved picking up Vice magazines at my local record shops in early 2000s. Anything after the HBO buy out was always questionable.

  • @bbennett40
    @bbennett40 Рік тому +27

    Media has been corrupted. They have been used to support certain ideologies and rewarded for that support. This has led to the degradation of journalism itself and the standards which were once upheld as the bedrock of that profession.

  • @larryplympton9727
    @larryplympton9727 Рік тому +2

    I think you're level of integrity puts you head and shoulders above almost any U.S. "news" organization, and sets you apart in the most positive way possible. You acknowledge your biases and don't let them cloud the truth. Thank you for all you do sir. (Note, I specified U.S. news organizations as I'm an American and haven't really experienced news organizations from other countries so I have no way to judge them accurately.)

  • @brandonlink6568
    @brandonlink6568 Рік тому +81

    When Vice on HBO premiered it blew me away with their coverage, I hadn't seen reporting like that before. Unfortunately they fell from grace after just a few years and now when I see an article from Vice it usually isn't even worth even reading the headline.

    • @crackthefoundation_
      @crackthefoundation_ Рік тому +1

      It seems that Vice suffered some form of self sabotage with Shane abandoning his role and everything being hands off to "traditional" media execs who proceeded to have no idea how to run it.

    • @vaxick
      @vaxick Рік тому +4

      That style of reporting still exists, it's called Vice News and they have a channel on UA-cam. The show itself moved to Showtime where it continues and their television network has a show as well called Vice Special Report that's dedicated to investigative journalism.

    • @exelmans8855
      @exelmans8855 Рік тому

      @@vaxick it’s total garbage.

    • @rumfordc
      @rumfordc Рік тому +11

      @@vaxick I opened Vice News front page and the headlines are indistinguishable from MSNBC and CNN's front pages.

    • @bamspay
      @bamspay Рік тому

      @@vaxick Vice News is all propaganda. They can't fail fast enough. Good riddance.

  • @christinaandme
    @christinaandme Рік тому

    I just subscribed, and this was the 3rd video I have seen by you. I have been screaming all of this to everyone for 3 years now. Keep it up, fix your own stuff if you can, if you own it you should not have to keep paying for it.. remember LYVE? total BS, Best Buy, APPLE, Vice..smh! You are awesome! Keep it up!

  • @comproggi
    @comproggi Рік тому +80

    Journalism became entertainment, bought and paid for whatever interest group that organization thinks gets them ratings a long time ago. I quit treating them as a source of fact-based data the first time that I had real-world data that contradicted their story. Each outlet has failed that test for me, from local newspapers to national news channels, from Fox to CNN. They are good to get an initial hey, maybe I should look into this, but most of the time the facts are counter to what their story is, sadly.

    • @M167A1
      @M167A1 Рік тому +3

      It has always been that way, they used to save the hijinks for what they felt was important and pretend to be doing something useful. No more though, they preach to their choir

    • @fintrollpgr
      @fintrollpgr Рік тому

      To be honest Vice has also largely turned to activism. Facts have not mattered to them for a very long time already. Good riddance I would say...

    • @andrewditton7226
      @andrewditton7226 Рік тому +9

      ​​@@M167A1 Obscure and obfuscate. Lie and cover up. Push agendas and propogandise.
      It's not a bug it's a feature.
      It's not incompetence, it's by design.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому

      Yup, mainstream news is worthless in this day and age, it's all agenda fueled bias.

    • @bubba99009
      @bubba99009 Рік тому

      Always been sensationalist and agenda driven - the difference is now you can more easily dig for the facts and question it where 40 years ago you just had to accept whatever they said as gospel. That's what the war on "misinformation" is all about really. Shutting that down and going back to the days when you just had to accept whatever CBS says as the truth unquestioningly.

  • @UnderGroundKnox
    @UnderGroundKnox Рік тому +3

    No, you're not going too far. I am 100% with you and i believe that no matter what "side" you're on people want honesty no matter the narrative. The mainstream media has lost the trust of many they will never get back in their good graces including myself. Thank you immensely for what you do "man yelling in the camera" 😂

  • @realtijuana5998
    @realtijuana5998 Рік тому +37

    "To be wrong, and to be carefully wrong, that is the definition of decadence."
    - G. K. Chesterton _A Miscellany of Men_ (1912)

  • @jjay350
    @jjay350 Рік тому +4

    I think people who try to push a side are often afraid of how weak their side could be with openness and honesty prevailing.

  • @TheDragonGuyYT
    @TheDragonGuyYT Рік тому +258

    Damn vice went from playing basketball in North Korea to bankruptcy

    • @nicholas_scott
      @nicholas_scott Рік тому +58

      Years before that, they snuck into north korea. Some of the best stuff I've seen ever posted. Mocking NK, sneaking out photos, etc. Then, years later, they went back as "friends"... playing basketball... now its just sad trash, playing for scraps.

    • @speedy11131
      @speedy11131 Рік тому +52

      Gun markets of Pakistan, Karachi, sneaking into North Korean labor camps in Russia, warlords of Liberia. I really liked the “old” VICE.

    • @floydlooney6837
      @floydlooney6837 Рік тому

      Back when Vice went undercover in NK, it was run by a different guy not someone who probably loves Kim Jong-un like the one who took over

    • @Pantsinabucket
      @Pantsinabucket Рік тому +7

      @@speedy11131that gun market was in Peshawar, not Karachi.

    • @lekhakaananta5864
      @lekhakaananta5864 Рік тому +4

      It's kind of the same thing though? Doing dangerous journalism in North Korea requires exactly the same kind of political dogmatism, which would also cause you to have a publishing bias. People who are level headed and not extremists wouldn't want to fuck around in North Korea.

  • @ninjanerdstudent6937
    @ninjanerdstudent6937 Рік тому +1

    I actually have a fundamental understanding of random people saying "fake news." It really comes down to a lack of accountability.

  • @remyllebeau77
    @remyllebeau77 Рік тому +15

    Independent and alternative news are some of the best and most honest I have seen. And that includes you, Louis. The mainstream are the ones getting 90% wrong or a lie of omission. They all deserve to go under, not just second rate news like Vice.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому +5

      Exactly. I have seen far more honesty and integrity among alt news sources than I have from mainstream news sources these days. Heck that isn't even limited to major and political news, take something as stupid and inconsequential as video game journalism, I have found many youtubers to be far more trustworthy than any of the big websites out there. It's like the big entities are always trying to please big interests and sponsors.

    • @Erowens98
      @Erowens98 Рік тому +3

      @@jjay350 this is because youtubers by en large, live and die by their audience. The audience is the most important part for them.
      Mainstream media, and secondary media, live and die by sponsors and their political connection. The audiences trust is not as important to them as pleasing their backers is.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому +1

      @@Erowens98 Can't argue with that.

  • @MrMagnaniman
    @MrMagnaniman Рік тому +7

    You are a journalist, Louis. You seek out information, collate it, and present it. That's journalism. It's impossible to present information without biases, as the necessary act of deciding which information to present or not present is rooted in bias and creates bias. Beware of anyone claiming they have no bias, because it just means they're concealing their biases and trying to frame their narrative in a favorable way.

  • @ffwast
    @ffwast Рік тому +15

    "Shout the lie, whisper the retraction"

  • @xpyr
    @xpyr Рік тому +1

    2 things I'd like to point out:
    1. Opinionated style news is only in the US. In Canada, you can only present the facts when doing the news. Opinions are not allowed as a journalist here. I remember Fox News was sued around the year 2000 and there defense for lying in the article, was that the first amendment allowed them to lie.
    2. For news articles online, when there is an error in the original article, news organizations with integrity will update the original article with the updates at the bottom of it, as well as updating the original article to point out what was updated. This is not a newspaper where once it is published, it can't be updated.

  • @wreagfe
    @wreagfe Рік тому +29

    Nobody should trust corporations. People can only trust people. And that's exactly the problem with the whole concept of a corporation.

    • @TheSimoc
      @TheSimoc Рік тому

      Corporations are owned and run by people. There are trustworthy and non-trustworthy people. Not all (nor even most} people should be trusted by anyone, while trustworthy people make trustworthy corporations. I have no idea what the "concept of corporation" has to do with trustworthiness. Except that oftentimes a corporation is able to give even better assurances for the trust than a single person could. But that is, of course, to be assessed for each individual case to be trusted.

    • @pysq8
      @pysq8 Рік тому

      People can only trust God.

    • @wreagfe
      @wreagfe Рік тому +1

      @@TheSimoc If you don't know what the concept or a corporation has to do with trustworthiness, you can't be helped.
      I'm sure in the USSR there were many inherently trustworthy ppl, just as in the US government, the CCP, Pfizer. Heck, even Walter White was a trustworthy person in season 1.
      As said, if you cannot understand the logic of organisational structures and institution to incentives, accountability, and liability, you can't be helped. Take care. 🙏🏻

    • @the_undead
      @the_undead Рік тому

      ​@@wreagfe maybe you're the one that can't be helped. I shall name one corporation right now that I trust like 90% of, assa abloy. As far as I can tell apart from bolt cutter resistance, their cheapest walk is superior to even the most expensive thing you can find here in Canada or the US, and again as far as I can tell that is one of their original designs from over 100 years ago.
      They don't make wild or outlandish claims they just present the facts as they are. And I know other corporations exist that are like this. Don't paint with too broad of a brush

    • @mausegetlit363
      @mausegetlit363 Рік тому

      ​@@the_undead you're still lost idiot and I don't feel like explaining it to you, good luck

  • @nathangehman7018
    @nathangehman7018 Рік тому +3

    The other thing is that publishing that information doesn't even make the journalists look bad to a reader with even half a brain cell. If I understand correctly, the information was previously inaccessible, meaning that they published the information that they had access to. And its not hard explain that. What's a lot harder to explain is "hey we didn't think you should know this even though its about a case we already covered and its information that completely changes the meaning of the case".

  • @JonathanDavidsonn
    @JonathanDavidsonn Рік тому +41

    I remember an airsoft youtuber having VICE paint his hobby in a bad light and used barely any footage they gathered. It was opinionated to all hell, though, I'm going from memory, and I can't be bothered looking back into it, I might be completely wrong lmao.

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Рік тому +11

      I know they did that with some WW2 reenactment groups a few years ago, but it wouldn't surprise me if they went after airsoft LARPers too. They just love misrepresenting people.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому

      @@Calvin_Coolage People with an agenda love to misrepresent.

    • @wojakthecrusader1410
      @wojakthecrusader1410 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Calvin_Coolagecause they don't have better things to do other than shit on people or other people's country.

  • @goofballbiscuits3647
    @goofballbiscuits3647 Рік тому +6

    One of your finest videos, Louis. Articulate, accountable and honest as always.

  • @RonSeymour1
    @RonSeymour1 Рік тому +4

    Hi Louis, a great post as always. As an aside, I am from the UK, and as I was watching, an advert for reMarkable 2 popped up. I was thinking to buy it for my son to use at work. It looked great and the price at £279 wasn't bad. Then I noticed that after the free year's subscription ended you have to pay £2.99 a month to be able to continue using the device. Not a great sum but what if they then decide to put it up to £10 a month or more. As you keep saying, we own nothing except a pice of junk if we don't pay up.

  • @migarsormrapophis2755
    @migarsormrapophis2755 Рік тому +7

    Wow, Louis gets more based with every new topic he covers

  • @GrapeDrank001
    @GrapeDrank001 Рік тому +47

    They used to have great journalists and wonderful documentaries. Sadly those times are long gone.

    • @VV-nw4cz
      @VV-nw4cz Рік тому +5

      Or maybe you got older and more rational.

    • @deemen7132
      @deemen7132 Рік тому +1

      Dark side of the ring was their Only good ine

    • @GROGU123
      @GROGU123 Рік тому +15

      @@VV-nw4cz No, I guess you didn't see them when they would follow both sides of polarizing topics to give both perspectives and left it up to the viewer to decide which side to be on. It was real journalism back then. Long before the sensationalism, clickbait and before HBO bought them out.

    • @GrapeDrank001
      @GrapeDrank001 Рік тому +1

      @@GROGU123 exactly this. Long ago.

    • @jjay350
      @jjay350 Рік тому

      @@GROGU123 Yup, entities like HBO recklessly destroy integrity.

  • @Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand
    @Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand Рік тому

    I'm glad you're talking about the problem with selective reporting and omitting facts, I absolutely agree with you on it!

  • @Kazeshini11
    @Kazeshini11 Рік тому +9

    I watched VICE a long long time ago when I still had cable. Always found it weird why all the people reporting HAD to be in the story every single time. Like they were the star of that story, not the story itself. Then they lost me when I watched a show where I kept getting vibes of reefer madness from them and knew they were just bs. After that, every time I heard someone quote VICE as a source, I lost respect for them and usually after they quoted VICE a few times as their news source, I just stop following them cause every single time the story didn't pan out or was highly misleading. So good riddance to seeing their downfall.

  • @hardtakeoff
    @hardtakeoff Рік тому +3

    Also- Louis, you are a journalist now. You would be really successful at it as a primary profession and right-to-repair and repair in general can be your hobby that gives you joy. Or not. I just trust that you're giving accurate information, and that if you find out something else you will let me know. That is integrity.

  • @LeapFrog_Radio
    @LeapFrog_Radio Рік тому +17

    Yes they should!

  • @Ithaca51
    @Ithaca51 Рік тому +1

    I’ve watched a lot of vice content. As I came across videos in my area of expertise, mental health, I noticed quite a few inaccuracies. It was illuminating for me in the same way this was for you.

  • @RobKMusic
    @RobKMusic Рік тому +12

    All media does this now. Every day, all day. Maybe they always did, but now it's easier to see it with a Google search if one is so inclined. Take nothing at face value unless you personally witnessed it.

    • @nevisysbryd7450
      @nevisysbryd7450 Рік тому

      It is mostly easier to see. The myth of a golden age of journalistic integrity is a narrative that is entirely contrary to historical reality.

  • @PiousSlayer
    @PiousSlayer Рік тому +4

    It also sucks when one 'journalist' writes an iffy article and then other 'journalists' cite that initial article while adding additional wrong/fake/twisted information.
    Edit:
    Cite, references or uses the initial article as a base for the new article/report.

  • @DeletedOS
    @DeletedOS Рік тому +9

    I love tuning in every once in a while to see the state of your scratching post, or I guess lazy boy.

  • @lucasley20
    @lucasley20 Рік тому

    Not sure why I got this on my feed but I am happy it found me. Great point about media agencies that selectively present news. I love your kitty co-presenter!

  • @domino6490
    @domino6490 Рік тому +30

    Talking about shitty companies is among the most entertaining topics on this channel eheh

    • @TrianglePants
      @TrianglePants Рік тому +5

      It's arguably one of the best things to see on UA-cam, PERIOD, because they should ALWAYS be called out.

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 Рік тому +2

      His entire channel is literally just "Capitalism is absolutely awful, we should apply a bandaid maybe"
      It's kinda wild just how little thought is given to replacing the cause of the problems...

    • @TheAutumnNetwork
      @TheAutumnNetwork Рік тому +2

      @@kristoffer3000 Cause he wouldn't profit from it. Dude just profits from being an outrage/rant channel more than his actual business.

    • @robertstan9733
      @robertstan9733 Рік тому +2

      ​@@kristoffer3000 I'm kinda glad he's humble enough to not want to change the entire system...
      My grandparents were killed by the secret police as a side effect of this "quest for an alternative to capitalism" so it's probably a good thing he doesn't pretend to have infallible solutions.

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 Рік тому

      @@robertstan9733 So your grandparents were Nazis?...

  • @mlovmo
    @mlovmo Рік тому +2

    It all falls apart on them when people find out that a "news outlet" starts to hew closely to "popular narratives" instead of providing nuanced stories for which they take responsibility. I've noticed that in the "news" scene, stories are getting a LOT more black and white, good vs. bad. Reality often begs to differ.

  • @PaulaXism
    @PaulaXism Рік тому +11

    Yes Louis. The job of any journalist is to investigate and uncover THE FACTS and then to present them to their audience without fear or favour. You have the 1st Amendment backing you for as long as you tell the truth.

    • @reubensandwich9249
      @reubensandwich9249 Рік тому

      The problem is they think how the story should end and when the story end up different, they don't publish the truth anyways.

    • @iceink
      @iceink Рік тому +1

      1st amendment is a joke you don't actually believe that nonsense do you lmao

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 Рік тому +1

      Tell that to the journalists assassinated by the US gov. :)

    • @My_Old_YT_Account
      @My_Old_YT_Account Рік тому +1

      @@iceink our ancestors fought to get their freedom, we have to fight to keep ours

  • @elliezerdelacruz3438
    @elliezerdelacruz3438 Рік тому

    I love your cat thought it was a couch pillow at first 😂

  • @crazedmonk8u
    @crazedmonk8u Рік тому +16

    It's so sad to see VICE media fall from grace. I discovered them about a decade ago on youtube and i thought they were the best. i was like these are real journalists! went all over the world and covered things mainstream media cant and wouldnt do. i.e. sitting down and interviewing a cartel member right in their production plant in columbia making that white powder. crazy stuff. and now here we are.

    • @jzen1455
      @jzen1455 Рік тому

      I first came across VICE when after I heard Joe Rogan mention that cannibal dude in Liberia general Butt Naked back around 2015. Vice provided insights on the overlooked and wildly out there stuff. They then became infected by the woke virus who declared anyone they disagreed with alt-right, racist, -phobes, Nazis, etc. They perpetuated slanderous of many people and people caught on and got fed up. Hopefully this is a trend of more entities who've gone full-blown woke going full-blown broke.

  • @IanDarley
    @IanDarley Рік тому +1

    Absolutely 100% honourable on your part. The truth always presents itself in the end.

  • @TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA
    @TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA Рік тому +6

    This is soo damn true about the trust thing. We had that happen here in Korea around 2019 when this big case came out Burning sun, the journalist covering it had their own agenda to boost their career had this crazy focus on one person who was a small fry in a huge problem and gave massive warning flags to all the big people way above this guys pay grade an easy way out by basically warning everyone it was coming, so they had more than enough time to clean house, set alibi's get "witnesses' and for themselves to dissapear. This led to a travesty of justice and unfortunately alot of idiots believing a set narrative and not paying attention to legitimate real facts presented by judges and police.

  • @marcusperry9481
    @marcusperry9481 Рік тому +2

    You make a lot of really great points for discussion here, Louis. I respect your diligence in journalism and the fact that you circled back to your own mistake to make your audience aware of it. There used to be more passion around the revision and correction aspects of journalism. If you look through old newspapers and printed media, there was usually a showcase for mistakes and a reward culture for readers who brought those mistakes to light. They weren't always "mistakes" either; sometimes it was just a higher fidelity understanding of the reporting. That vibe never made it to "Web 2.0". Perhaps with this new era we are entering using AI tools and more efficient communication platforms, we can revive an interest in promoting those kinds of activities.

  • @Quickloaded
    @Quickloaded Рік тому +5

    Hey Louis. That person in your video is spitting facts. You should hire him. 😂

    • @TheDiner50
      @TheDiner50 Рік тому +1

      I think the persons last name is Rossman. I'm sure that is correct. NY know better.
      Likes to tap the mic like a mad man XD You can not miss him.

  • @FlukasMcDoogle
    @FlukasMcDoogle Рік тому

    This is why I love your channel. And Breaking Points. And others like that. It's good to know there are people out there that care about dignity and integrity.

  • @1mezion
    @1mezion Рік тому +8

    I believe there should be laws requiring news agencies to publish corrections and updates the same size and on the same page that they carried the original story,

  • @kumarns5485
    @kumarns5485 Рік тому +2

    Well done mate. I’ve personally gone through similar things and absolutely agree with you.

  • @climber950
    @climber950 Рік тому +4

    Louis, you have more integrity than all the major news agencies put together. You’re biased, but you at least acknowledge it. You do your absolute best to tell an entire story, and are willing to admit when you’re wrong and also openly correct anything you got wrong. Keep doing what you’re doing.

  • @COM70
    @COM70 Рік тому +1

    It’s very rare to see someone in the public /media domain such as yourself with such integrity.

  • @deepwinter77
    @deepwinter77 Рік тому +5

    Anytime I see an article in the media that happens to touch on a subject that I happen to be an expert in.
    It's amazing how often it's covered inaccurately.
    I'm sure it's the same for most subjects. It's just rare it happens to overlap with your own skill set so most people assume it to be accurate until they experience this scenario.

    • @afpawlak
      @afpawlak Рік тому +2

      Michael Crichton called this the "Gell-Mann Amnesia effect" after Nobel Prize winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann.
      “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
      In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
      - Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

    • @deepwinter77
      @deepwinter77 Рік тому +1

      @@afpawlak Thanks, that's pretty cool.

    • @Person01234
      @Person01234 Рік тому

      it's 100% the case on all subjects. And yet people still treat them with credulity. When you see the media write some laughably stupid article about whatever you know well about, just know that they're the same way on science, geopolitics, economcis and any other subject you can think of. It's all BS pushing a narrative. The media is propaganda, it always has been and it always will be.

  • @davesmith9325
    @davesmith9325 Рік тому

    Louis, your integrity is incredible. Respect.

  • @Unclesamblojob
    @Unclesamblojob Рік тому +35

    Vice used to be good during the Mcinnes and Shawn days. It's been trash for over a decade now.

    • @drastically143
      @drastically143 Рік тому +1

      Yeah, they were so good!

    • @Unclesamblojob
      @Unclesamblojob Рік тому +1

      @@drastically143 And they used to have Nick Gavin and all the decent zines and underground comics.

    • @louminatti3776
      @louminatti3776 Рік тому +2

      nah

    • @jzen1455
      @jzen1455 Рік тому +1

      It would be cool if Gavin bought VICE out for pennies on the dollar and turned it into a truly independent and impartial outlet.

    • @Unclesamblojob
      @Unclesamblojob Рік тому +1

      @@jzen1455 He probably could. It would be hilariously ironic.

  • @JMPERager
    @JMPERager Рік тому

    Louis is probably one of the most genuine and fair people I've ever had the pleasure of "meeting". The way society, social media and news outlets work these days is shameful.
    This is the INFORMATION ERA. The point of the internet is to share information, not fantasy novels on news outlets!

  • @javaskull88
    @javaskull88 Рік тому +5

    As a CPA, I experience a similar frustration and anger when the media (pretty much all of them) mess up financial reporting. Daily. They don’t know the difference between a budget deficit and the debt, which has huge implications in budget talks, inflation, and even national security. They don’t understand the difference between accrual basis and cash flow basis accounting, which explains why the Social Security “Trust Fund” could run out of money. Likewise for the difference between operational and capital budgets, which matter greatly in local and state fiscal health and defaults.
    I don’t expect every reporter to be a finance major, but I do expect a national or global media organization to have an experienced editor who would tell their reporter, “Let’s run this past an expert before we run it.” Or perhaps they actually prefer their readers and viewers to be perpetually confused? One wonders.

  • @jack.h99
    @jack.h99 Рік тому +5

    "And why thats a good thing."

  • @perrrry
    @perrrry Рік тому +1

    I appreciate you. Being a voice of reason, always. RIP Vice, you won't be missed.

  • @cmdrclassified
    @cmdrclassified Рік тому +4

    I hope you're having a lovely day too, Sir! o7
    And keep up the good fight!

  • @adamleeeo
    @adamleeeo Рік тому

    This is why I respect you mate. And when I have brought stuff for you to repair in the past I always trust people like you

  • @kellysouter4381
    @kellysouter4381 Рік тому

    Louis is a man of integrity, not everyone is. Good luck at keeping them honest, frankly, i think Louis is wildly out numbered.

  • @dangerbirb4981
    @dangerbirb4981 Рік тому +4

    Media literacy is hard and people don't understand nuance anymore (have they ever?) You could argue that the current media has groomed society to behave this way or you could argue that society has made choices through capitalism that has shaped modern media to be this way. Either way, it does not bode well for the apple logo screen story and I agree with your friend that the overall impact of releasing that story would have been negative. How should we solve this problem? I'm not sure but I don't think celebrating the death of one more media outlet helps. We have so little diversity in the space already.

    • @Habib_Osman
      @Habib_Osman Рік тому

      For the USA the only hope is a multi-party system. As long as there are only 2 parties, the endless cycle of polarisation/lack of nuanced reporting will never end. One other way to depolarise/deradicalise USA would be if political donors would not be allowed to fund/invest/dictate political parties to such a large degree anymore.

  • @programmingeverything
    @programmingeverything Рік тому

    I have no idea why i stopped getting your videos. I was damn sure i was a subscriber. Nwz.... subscribed again!

  • @someone28
    @someone28 Рік тому +4

    Vice as an organization is not the same organization as in 15 years ago but they still do great international reporting. Just yesterday Isobel went to Moscow to do an interview. She has done great reporting in Middle East, South Asia and now Eastern Europe.

    • @blueodum
      @blueodum Рік тому

      Isobel did great work in Afghanistan.

  • @encouragingword1172
    @encouragingword1172 Рік тому +1

    Subscribed to your channel today. I appreciate honesty and integrity!
    👍👍

  • @bikkiikun
    @bikkiikun Рік тому +4

    Louis is not "popular" despite admitting mistakes, but BECAUSE he shows that he was wrong, how exactly he was wrong, when he was wrong.
    When you admit to mistakes, on the front page, it creates an atmosphere of trust and integrity.

    • @dredgewalker
      @dredgewalker Рік тому +1

      Credibility simply goes out the window when you refuse to correct mistakes that you and everyone else knows.

  • @tjlambaes
    @tjlambaes Рік тому

    You are one of the only real person on the internet. I wish more people had your ethics.

  • @breadmoth6443
    @breadmoth6443 Рік тому +14

    now for vox, dailybeast, kotaku and polygon to follow hopefully.

    • @MrTheinfoman
      @MrTheinfoman Рік тому

      Every coprate media with connection of Government loudspeakers should be bankruptcy.

    • @42seven
      @42seven Рік тому +1

      maybe not polygon, simply for the actually good videos they used to make

    • @breadmoth6443
      @breadmoth6443 Рік тому

      @@42seven nah polygon can also f-off with their leftistim

    • @bradhaines3142
      @bradhaines3142 Рік тому +3

      @@42seven thats like saying g4 shouldnt have died because it used to be great, its just not the same

    • @bean420man
      @bean420man Рік тому +2

      @@42seven I mean, Kotaku also used to have good articles...

  • @ItsGenoHD
    @ItsGenoHD Рік тому

    I really admire your capability to to address or bring up topics from videos dating 5+ years ago

  • @AquariusTurtle
    @AquariusTurtle Рік тому +4

    We have cat!!!! Thumbs up. Goodbye Vice Media. Go woke, go broke.

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 Рік тому +4

      "everything I dont like is woke" are you tucker maybe?

    • @MatthewLee8383
      @MatthewLee8383 Рік тому +2

      @@riba2233 They were defintely the first of the woke.

    • @AquariusTurtle
      @AquariusTurtle Рік тому

      ​@@riba2233 Woke is a racist, discriminatory, supremacist ideaology being forced into American culture through social engineering and corporate extortion. The only way you can support Woke and D.I.E. is if you are a Marxist Socialist Communist, where the Woke ideaology comes from, specifically from the Bulschovik idea of separating people to polarize and control them using divide and conquer through economic class warfare (Critical Race --> Critical Race Theory). Woke takes Critical Race (divide/conquer) by economic status and modifies it to divide/conquer by Race (Critical Race Theory). Welcome to school.

    • @proc_1
      @proc_1 Рік тому

      @@riba2233 It's a fascist world view, when you think about it. In the end, it comes down to "eliminate the woke"="all problems gone".

  • @simonhrabec9973
    @simonhrabec9973 Рік тому +1

    Integrity and principles.

  • @scharfys
    @scharfys Рік тому +4

    It's not lying it's modern day journalism

    • @Quickloaded
      @Quickloaded Рік тому

      Lying by omission.

    • @nevisysbryd7450
      @nevisysbryd7450 Рік тому

      Which is lying. Although that is not modern day, that is and always has been the majority of journalism.

  • @ThomasLeonard454
    @ThomasLeonard454 Рік тому

    HOORAY for you Louis, THANK YOU for being an honest man.

  • @TravisStamper
    @TravisStamper Рік тому +4

    Vice was ok. Had some strange and interesting things. Never really paid attention to their news reporting. Thanks for the video Louis

    • @ColdFinland
      @ColdFinland Рік тому +9

      Journalism should not just be "ok". If there are mistakes, they must be publicly disclosed and fixed. When you put something out to the public, you are responsible for it.

    • @ColdFinland
      @ColdFinland Рік тому +2

      I must say, Vice is not alone here, but its a precedent

    • @thomask5434
      @thomask5434 Рік тому +6

      They had amazing documentaries very early on. The last years they went 250% woke to a point calling them crazy would be a compliment to them.

    • @cloud-forge
      @cloud-forge Рік тому +4

      yeah it was good at first. Then followed the woke crowd and turned sour.

    • @YouAreStillNotablaze
      @YouAreStillNotablaze Рік тому +1

      @@cloud-forge Pretty sure they _are_ the woke crowd. Except now there's people that get triggered over anything they think is "woke"

  • @daveg5088
    @daveg5088 Рік тому +1

    This - trust - is probably why, going back to the videos about SVB, why people ask you about things you may not know about. There’s such a lack of it with the media that people would rather ask you - someone they trust - even when you say you don’t know anything about the topic, rather than asking/listening to the experts who we should be listening to but no longer trust. Your opinions are now worth more than their facts for the specific reason you discuss here.