I feel like we really need to see a Clone Console of the TurboGrafx-16 and Sega Master System (with SG-1000 added in) since we keep seeing much NES, SNES, & Sega Genesis clones keep coming. I do have the Mega Retron HD and an official NES already.
If I'm not mistaken, there's the adapter that fit into the Mega Drive cartridge slot where you can play Master System (if it's Mark III cartridge), Game Gear and SG-1000. It works on other clone consoles too.
Yeah NES audio is always off on these kind of clone consoles. It bugs me. She SNES and Sega do not bother me though. I use the Retro AVS for NES carts because of that. Good review man. I always enjoy your takes on things and honest perspective
I dunno I know it’s a solid cheap option, but in the retro community if it can’t play a NES Everdrive it’s kinda a deal breaker for me. Also I feel they should include a game genie these days which comes in handy for some games particularly on the NES. So in summary especially for NES just get a Retro USB AVS which gives you great quality FPGA for an affordable price.
I would think that the black speckles with the multicart are almost definitely power-related. The Nt Mini Noir does the exact same thing when an Everdrive N8 Pro if you don't enable a power setting in the Nt Mini's menu, so I'd guess that this console just doesn't have support for whatever that conversion is. Thanks for covering this thing!
Well... I guess Id kind of need to have different levels of stamps of approval with these types of things as they won't be the best solution for everyone but some may be happy with it for the price. I think its mostly fine if you understand what to expect.
Yep, the weak points you listed are really my only main complaints, though I kind of figured the N8 Pro wouldnt work as it doesnt work on any of these types HDMI clone consoles that I have tested before. NES sound isn't horrible, just noticeable to me that its not what I am used to. Some NES games I dont notice it as much though, but for sure there is a variation.
@@2012JvN it kind of does matter. Without it many tvs will stretch the image to fill the screen, which is the same with old consoles on new tvs. If your tv doesnt have a 4:3 mode typically it will fill the screen. Lot of newer tvs dont have that option. And of course on a crt you wouldn't need to worry about changing aspect ratio, but on modern tvs you do. This switch makes it easy.
@@Madlittlepixel I have a Classiq II which just has NES and SNES and I noticed the lack of bass on NES games. I didnt have anything to compare SNES with but its nothing a little eq in your tv can't help.
Considering the size of these specific retro gaming consoles, most of their surface area is going to be dedicated to cartridge slots, then controller ports secondly if your including ports from multiple systems, with that in mind, I'd love to see one built for NES, SNES, N64, Masters, Genesis and possibly TG-16 and corresponding controller ports. THEN... 6 months later release a DVD drive that fits into an expansion port on the side that allows Sega CD, Saturn, PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, Game Cube and TG-16 CD with additional controller ports for those systems. AND THEN just to get REAL crazy, release an attachment that clips into an expansion port behind the DVD flip top drive (meaning you'd have to have the original deck as well as the DVD expansion before you could use this) that allows Game Boy, GB Colour, GB Advance games. I guess just go ahead and make it look like the Genesis with the CD and 32X addons already cause were all thinking that by now. =P It just seems to me if were going to build devices like this then someone needs to build something REALLY eye catching and outrageous.
They’re still stuck on the big 3? I know it’s all about money but I’d like to see someone do a 2600/7800, 5200, Intelivision all-in-one. Anyway, the reverse duty cycles on the NES sound is a deal breaker for me. I prefer the SRT+. I actually like the old SRT best since the + doesn’t have a 16:9 switch. Then again I prefer to use on CRT.
@@michaeljarvisakasleepyjarv1698 well, Master System, while awesome, is available with the Genesis clones via adapter. Not really needed. I want Intellivision as it has a kickass homebrew community but it’s a pain to get a working system and it’s RF only. It’s worth noting it’ll have to be a really good clone to do homebrew. I’ve had some NES clones that can’t do homebrew but some like a Retrobit has no problem.
Interesting clone. Seems to have the bass present in Genesis games, perhaps even properly does stereo sound? SNES looks good too, wonder about Super Gameboy though, some clones have the Gameboy audio coming in too hot and the audio starts clipping.
I have the previous version, the classiq 2, and SGB works just fine for me. I was nervous if it'd work at all, but I didn't have any trouble. I have some minor complaints, but overall if you're looking for an SNES or NES clone I'd recommend the classiq 2. Can't speak for the controllers, I've only used original and 8bitdo controllers with it.
Interesting! RetroBit Retro Trio+ vs. Old Skool Classiq 3 HD. Wonder if they are very exact similar to each-other or is one of them better then the other?
I would like to know why the retro consoles companies are not making a console that can play sega master games . As a console not as a adapter like hyperkin did.
I have the hdmi classic 2 ….. found it at a garage sale for $10……. I use it all the time , it gives a break to my classic consoles……it’s def good for what it is, on newer tv’s….. I use original controllers
Yeah I think Genesis and SNES there really isnt a lot to complain about. NES is ok, just wish I didnt notice sound being off in some games... not every NES game is it as noticeable but for sure stuff like Super Mario I can tell theres a difference. The NES look here is kind of comparable to the RetroUSB AVS on the original Color Palette but just not as sharp.
Always wondered how big the market for these are, I have a bunch of 8 and 16 bit cartridges but I would figure anyone like me who has physical software would also have a better option for playing them then these as the software is the more expensive part. I still like to use original hardware if I bust out the actual cartridges but I mostly emulate for the convenience nowadays.
It's a niche market but it's there. I have a similar trio clone to this. It gave me an HD option while also allowing me to build multiple cart libraries at the same time that I can play while I waited for good/fair deals in the consoles themselves. The clone allows me to play multiplayer on the HD big screen because in 2022, nobody want to huddle together around a 27 inch CRT to game together. These are an acceptable HD option that is much cheaper than the Analog offerings.
These days, there are a bunch of hardware options for dumping those cartridges to disk. I can personally dump most of the formats that ever caught on in the US if I want to, so even if I don't care to pull my consoles out, I can easily play on RetroPie without having to hunt down ROMs. I personally find that the controller is the main part of the experience that I miss with emulation, so I have adapters for original controllers.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Yeah, there's decent options out there if you have the consoles and want that. But clones like this can get you started on your cart library with minimal hassle while you find good deals on the consoles. Plus, when I'm playing by myself, I don't want the games in HD. I prefer them on my CRT. Moving them around from TV to TV isn't optimal.
Have you ever heard of the Retro Freak? That's one console I've been interested in, compatible with many different systems and, has a lot of quality of life improvments.
I have two of them. It’s an emulator / rom dumper like the Retron 5. If you’re ok with that it’s decent. You can load games right off the SD card. I don’t like it’s NES color palette or scan lines much though.
Its weird... like some NES games I notice a variation in sound and some not so much. So it may not be a huge deal for everyone... and the variations in sound I notice are not exactly horrible... but definitely noticeable for me. I do think NES looks decent here, its comparable to how the RetroUSB AVS colors are using the original color palette.
NES audio is wonky because the original nintendo made NES sound chip is based on a MOS chip, but works differently. The pirates that created clones such as Dendy used the normal MOS chips so the sound was off. It was the best you could have done with off the shelf parts in the early 90s.
Just got this the other day. I also have the Super Retro Trio Plus and the Retron 3 HD. All SNES games whether it's original cart, repro cart, multicart, Super Everdrive or FX Pak Pro, displays speckles of black lines on the upper right side of the screen. You can also see it in this video when Super Mario World is running. Load up the 240p Test Suite on a flashcart and on the white test pattern you can clearly see it. Every few seconds there are random speckles of black lines. I also have the same NES multicart but I didn't get any black speckles on SMB3. Everdrive N8 Plus (clone) doesn't work, so the regular N8 probably doesn't work. Krzysio Cart seems to be the only NES flashcart that works. Audio on SNES and Genesis are in mono through HDMI but are in stereo through AV out (but the L/R channels are reversed). Virtua Racing and SMS games work (tested through Mega Everdrive Pro). PAL region setting on Genesis doesn't work correctly (screen blinks/scrolls vertically). No region switch for NES. The included controllers are interesting. The extra 2 buttons are useable for SNES/Genesis. On SNES games when set to N, Z=SNES L and C=SNES R. On Genesis games when set to S, L=Genesis Z and R=Genesis C. On NES games when set to N, X=NES B and A=NES A. When set to S, A=NES A and B=NES B. Overall not as good as the Retron 3 HD which has correct stereo through HDMI and N8 compatibility. It does have a better NES color palette than Retron 3 HD and plays SMS games correctly in NTSC mode. It's slightly better than Super Retro Trio Plus for the aspect ratio switch, but the black speckles on SNES games might be annoying.
I'm still using a Super 8 Famiclone-to-SNES adapter that I bought in the 90s. Good: I have a Famicom Everdrive N8 and Famicom expansion audio works Bad: Best available video output is composite
The major problem with Analogue is that they don't keep anything in stock. They make stuff, sell it, then your out of luck unless you're willing to pay a LOT of money on the secondary market. The only way that model makes sense, is if they keep some of the produced stock and are selling it at huge markups on the secondary market themselves. Otherwise, they'd be incentivized to produce more units.
We need a stand alone console or flash cart to play DS games on home TV! Sorry, its not relevant but I'm hoping someone will hear me out and take it upon themselves to get this done. OH YEAH, and bring back Mat Hoffman Pro BMX.
@@Madlittlepixel search for "Revo K2DS" it is a prototype of a DS clone made by the same that made the Revo K101 GBA clone, it seems like he canceled it because he thought there wasn't a market for it, I haven't seen any big channels covering it yet.
Disappointing that there's no 3 in 1 clone console that's gotten NES sound right. If this managed to fix that it would arguably be the best 3 in 1 clone console.
That NES sound is way off, BUT it's not that bad. Most cheap clone consoles seem to up-pitch the sound, then overdrive it to the point of sounding like it's blowing the speakers out of your TV, even when the volume is low.
Great little system for the money imho. I don’t retro game everyday, so it’s usually more of a “…hmm, I haven’t played (insert game here) in awhile…” for me. I ended up using the original hardware controllers mostly, but I have to say that the effort that went into these Classiq controllers is insane. I can’t believe they made a controller that works for everything, and honestly, ain’t half bad and they do grow on you after awhile, though I do agree they do best with the genesis.
Dang, that controller is somewhat close to what I would consider a perfect universal retro gaming controller. Ideally I want to see 6 symmetrical face buttons.
I have the Analogue Mega SG, Analogue NT (very first run) & the Super NT while awesome they do take up a lot of space so I’ve actually been considering a multi unit. Sounds crazy but it’s true. Still waiting for that perfect one tho. Perhaps Analogue will make a multi FPGA console? Are you listening Analogue?!
I am good with my original consoles as well as my RetroBit RetroTrio which does NES/Snes/Genesis as well as all 3 Everdrives, composite only but great on my little CRT.
I've been collecting them during the last year, but most of the time I like to play on RetroPie just so I don't have to deal with the headaches of swapping systems. For the most part it's fine, but some games like some of the NES ports to GBC aren't pleasant to play. It's the panning around of the screen to allow access to the full NES screen on the smaller GBC monitor that causes it.
The sound on old Genesis consoles and the Game Gear usually go bad over time because of the capacitors on the mother board. Those capacitors were only rated to last about 15 years. They can be replaced, and when you do that, the sound on the original hardware will blow you away.
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I don't trust my 6 year old with my consoles and carts yet, so I got him a retrobit trio with them NES, SNES and Genesis multicart from Amazon and I'm using a seiki HDMI cable that's made in collaboration with the people at Marseille. For $40 this cable produces a significantly better image than the regular HDMI cable these clone consoles give you. I was very impressed with the picture quality and makes these clone consoles more enjoyable.
Interesting video man👍👏 Honestly why would i buy it? Buy a SFF pc from Lenovo, HP or Dell and put batocera on it, a lot of emulators and gamepads supported. I just this week bought a refurbed Dell optiplex 3050 mff with 1 year warranty for 100 bucks. Runs everything up to gamecube and wii. Awesome. Batocera runs well on harddisk.
I recently learned why the sound is off on nes-on-a-chip consoles. Apparently the first clone got the duty cycles wrong and every clone based on that original clone never fixed it.
@@shanez1215 I guess so but I don’t know for sure. I just repeated what I heard about the sound issue from a video that was mainly about a rare bootleg cartridge.
I remember having a conversation some years ago with a higher up at a company that produces these things.. he had told me pretty much any company making these things no matter the brand winds up getting the boards for these systems made from the same factory, sometimes with minor alterations but all still based on the same chipset. So this sounds very likely that its just been noone bothering to reinvent the chipset for NES clones and all just use the same thing.
The speckles show up on my Retron 5 for Multi-carts or homebrew carts, the fix for it in my case was to change the regions between NTSC & PAL, most multi-carts are set to PAL
@@Madlittlepixel might be off the wall, but have you tried the SNES to NES/Famicom adapter from Retrobit? It's the one that came with the Retro Duo Portable. That's the only way I could get a few to work on the Retron 5 before doing the region swap. Might be worth a shot at least
What's the reason for the composite to hdmi? It's not like they're using original hardware which would require some real work to get a digital signal out
Reminds me of Super Retro Trio. Except Trio stretched only to 16:9. This seems to have 4:3 option. I hope this has good compatibility. Checking out this vid as we speak
Lol. Using the retrobit super retro trio 3+. Its done what I need out of it. The controller that comes with it is eeehh. But with the option to use original controllers are nice. To bad none of my nes controllers are working, need to find a good replacement for that. But will think about this one.
It's the Super Nintenesis! That's a shame about the NES sound. Most cheap clone consoles can't even output HDMI on NES for some reason. I guess it couldn't be perfect. Super Nintendo and Genesis seem to sound ok from what I hear in the video and the picture quality isn't bad. A extra bad thing on NES is that the A and B buttons reversed on those cheap controllers. I think it looks OK for SNES and Genesis.
I kinda like this but I was wondering? I have my original snes will it work and what would you recommend to make it a better upconversion to hopefully 1080p? I do like that the old school can play multi systems and the multi carts. I think that's really nice as I would be able to play more games. What would you recommend??
Are all of the three systems "on-a-chip" style or are they like some of these recent NES and SNES clones that have a similar quantity of chips to the originals?
as someone who still owns all of their original SNES games and wants to play & stream games on a replica system with HDMI capabilities, what would be the best recommendation for both availability & price? Not really giving a budget, just looking for something that can have Quality + Performance etc. for someone who wants to revisit the SNES era again without the use of emulators.
Availability is the difficult part. But here are my recommendations if you can find them. Original 1 chip SNES with RAD2X cable for HDMI or paired with Retrotink 5x PRO & SNES HD Retrovision cables, or an Analogue Super NT... those would be my pics for quality/performance. Other options would be Hyperkin Retron5 which is emulation, uses your original carts and dumps the rom and plays, can be a useful system for backing up saves from your carts if needing to replace batteries, can put saves back to cart, visual quality is good.
Is there a follow up on the regulate everdrive n8 working? I don’t have a pro and not necessarily in need of upgrading to one, but if the original one works I’m ok with this to condense my game room.
Are both AV(RCA) and HDMI on at all times or just one of them on? If both of them are on, I could connect RCA to a CRT TV while HDMI could be used for game footage capture.
4:47 Wait, for the NES button mapping, the A is to the left of the B? That's backwards! I hope the instructions are inaccurate or this can actually be changed. Otherwise it will really mess up my game playing.
I've been looking for a cheap clone console to dethrone the Hyperkin Retron 1 HD for NES games but without succes. Does this console play Castlevania 3 properly?
Does the Japanese cartridge of Mega Drive/Famicom/Super Famicom worked on this? I'm thinking of getting one of those clone consoles that plays three systems if so and has a good quality.
I play on a low latency monitor, which your tv or monitor will be one of the culprits to lag... here I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary, I played through Super Mario Bros on the NES and didnt notice anything out of the ordinary.
I feel like we really need to see a Clone Console of the TurboGrafx-16 and Sega Master System (with SG-1000 added in) since we keep seeing much NES, SNES, & Sega Genesis clones keep coming. I do have the Mega Retron HD and an official NES already.
If I'm not mistaken, there's the adapter that fit into the Mega Drive cartridge slot where you can play Master System (if it's Mark III cartridge), Game Gear and SG-1000.
It works on other clone consoles too.
@@inklingex4433 Not all Game Gears work on that, if I remember correctly. It's because of the GG having more palette capacity than the SMS.
@@ultraspinalki11 Oh right.
The real issue with those, at least the TG16, is the games are all pretty insanely expensive, and fairly rare as it had a very low run.
@@orchNEStra luckily there are everdrives for that.
Yeah NES audio is always off on these kind of clone consoles. It bugs me. She SNES and Sega do not bother me though. I use the Retro AVS for NES carts because of that. Good review man. I always enjoy your takes on things and honest perspective
The picture quality seems pretty good. I have their Super nes / Super Famicom system from a few years ago and it still works perfectly.
Oh my god they have a decent button layout on a 6 button controller! Unbelievable! This beats $100+ devices by button mapping alone.
What we need are more companies like Retro Circuits putting out Great Cartridge Reproductions.
I have a ton of RetroCircuits carts... love em.
@@Madlittlepixel Hopefully they make a return in the near future.
I wonder how this compares to the retro-bit super retro trio plus hd and the retron 3 hd 3 🤔
I dunno I know it’s a solid cheap option, but in the retro community if it can’t play a NES Everdrive it’s kinda a deal breaker for me. Also I feel they should include a game genie these days which comes in handy for some games particularly on the NES. So in summary especially for NES just get a Retro USB AVS which gives you great quality FPGA for an affordable price.
I’ve got an N8 Pro and would love to have a RetroUSB AVS or an Analog NT, but can’t bring myself to pay the money they’re going for these days.
Hey we appreciate the videos like this, it's good to know what options are out there. Rock on,
I would think that the black speckles with the multicart are almost definitely power-related. The Nt Mini Noir does the exact same thing when an Everdrive N8 Pro if you don't enable a power setting in the Nt Mini's menu, so I'd guess that this console just doesn't have support for whatever that conversion is. Thanks for covering this thing!
i don’t trust it until it has the MLP Stamp of Approval
Well... I guess Id kind of need to have different levels of stamps of approval with these types of things as they won't be the best solution for everyone but some may be happy with it for the price. I think its mostly fine if you understand what to expect.
Yep now i can never pass up a $40 blind bag at Target. That’s how I got all my Call of Duty baseball caps and kirby socks.
Same here
It has to say “better than your mom’s vibe” LOL
Thank you for covering this. I appreciate it.
Montezuma's Revenge for NES! Epic!
"aspect ratio switch" music to my ears. So NES sound and NES everdrive is its weakpoint. I can live with that.
Yep, the weak points you listed are really my only main complaints, though I kind of figured the N8 Pro wouldnt work as it doesnt work on any of these types HDMI clone consoles that I have tested before. NES sound isn't horrible, just noticeable to me that its not what I am used to. Some NES games I dont notice it as much though, but for sure there is a variation.
Why should you need that switch? The original consoles don't need one. Doesn't matter if crt or lcd..
@@2012JvN it kind of does matter. Without it many tvs will stretch the image to fill the screen, which is the same with old consoles on new tvs. If your tv doesnt have a 4:3 mode typically it will fill the screen. Lot of newer tvs dont have that option. And of course on a crt you wouldn't need to worry about changing aspect ratio, but on modern tvs you do. This switch makes it easy.
@@Madlittlepixel I have a Classiq II which just has NES and SNES and I noticed the lack of bass on NES games. I didnt have anything to compare SNES with but its nothing a little eq in your tv can't help.
Considering the size of these specific retro gaming consoles, most of their surface area is going to be dedicated to cartridge slots, then controller ports secondly if your including ports from multiple systems, with that in mind, I'd love to see one built for NES, SNES, N64, Masters, Genesis and possibly TG-16 and corresponding controller ports.
THEN... 6 months later release a DVD drive that fits into an expansion port on the side that allows Sega CD, Saturn, PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, Game Cube and TG-16 CD with additional controller ports for those systems.
AND THEN just to get REAL crazy, release an attachment that clips into an expansion port behind the DVD flip top drive (meaning you'd have to have the original deck as well as the DVD expansion before you could use this) that allows Game Boy, GB Colour, GB Advance games.
I guess just go ahead and make it look like the Genesis with the CD and 32X addons already cause were all thinking that by now. =P
It just seems to me if were going to build devices like this then someone needs to build something REALLY eye catching and outrageous.
Id buy one!
The controller design on this is pretty slick
They’re still stuck on the big 3? I know it’s all about money but I’d like to see someone do a 2600/7800, 5200, Intelivision all-in-one.
Anyway, the reverse duty cycles on the NES sound is a deal breaker for me. I prefer the SRT+. I actually like the old SRT best since the + doesn’t have a 16:9 switch. Then again I prefer to use on CRT.
Atleast 2600/7800 alongside those and also the MasterSystem
@@michaeljarvisakasleepyjarv1698 well, Master System, while awesome, is available with the Genesis clones via adapter. Not really needed. I want Intellivision as it has a kickass homebrew community but it’s a pain to get a working system and it’s RF only.
It’s worth noting it’ll have to be a really good clone to do homebrew. I’ve had some NES clones that can’t do homebrew but some like a Retrobit has no problem.
Especially 7800, I loved that console.
I’d buy a 2600/5200/7800/Intellivision all-in-one.
@@Unholy_Louie I love Coleco but it available through Mega SG atleast. Intellivision has nothin but a mini but you can’t add ROMs or play carts.
I love those controllers. Super cool looking.
This may be one to go for! Thanks MLP!
Interesting clone. Seems to have the bass present in Genesis games, perhaps even properly does stereo sound? SNES looks good too, wonder about Super Gameboy though, some clones have the Gameboy audio coming in too hot and the audio starts clipping.
I have the previous version, the classiq 2, and SGB works just fine for me. I was nervous if it'd work at all, but I didn't have any trouble.
I have some minor complaints, but overall if you're looking for an SNES or NES clone I'd recommend the classiq 2. Can't speak for the controllers, I've only used original and 8bitdo controllers with it.
Interesting! RetroBit Retro Trio+ vs. Old Skool Classiq 3 HD.
Wonder if they are very exact similar to each-other or is one of them better then the other?
That would be a fun comparison
@@maveferdykrueger2899 Agree!
I would like to know why the retro consoles companies are not making a console that can play sega master games . As a console not as a adapter like hyperkin did.
If it had sd card support I'd buy it instantly haha. Thanks for the vid!
Same..
If you don't want to use cartridges just use a pc or a raspberry pie.
I have the hdmi classic 2 ….. found it at a garage sale for $10……. I use it all the time , it gives a break to my classic consoles……it’s def good for what it is, on newer tv’s….. I use original controllers
At least you can toggle the aspect ratio for a change this is better than any NFT 💫
The one feature makes this something to consider. And it seems to do SNES and Genesis (sans sega CD music) just fine.
Yeah I think Genesis and SNES there really isnt a lot to complain about. NES is ok, just wish I didnt notice sound being off in some games... not every NES game is it as noticeable but for sure stuff like Super Mario I can tell theres a difference. The NES look here is kind of comparable to the RetroUSB AVS on the original Color Palette but just not as sharp.
Always wondered how big the market for these are, I have a bunch of 8 and 16 bit cartridges but I would figure anyone like me who has physical software would also have a better option for playing them then these as the software is the more expensive part. I still like to use original hardware if I bust out the actual cartridges but I mostly emulate for the convenience nowadays.
It's a niche market but it's there. I have a similar trio clone to this. It gave me an HD option while also allowing me to build multiple cart libraries at the same time that I can play while I waited for good/fair deals in the consoles themselves. The clone allows me to play multiplayer on the HD big screen because in 2022, nobody want to huddle together around a 27 inch CRT to game together.
These are an acceptable HD option that is much cheaper than the Analog offerings.
These days, there are a bunch of hardware options for dumping those cartridges to disk. I can personally dump most of the formats that ever caught on in the US if I want to, so even if I don't care to pull my consoles out, I can easily play on RetroPie without having to hunt down ROMs.
I personally find that the controller is the main part of the experience that I miss with emulation, so I have adapters for original controllers.
@@joes4194 I've had decent luck with a component to HDMI converter. It up converts to either 720 or 1080p and does a pretty decent job of it.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Yeah, there's decent options out there if you have the consoles and want that. But clones like this can get you started on your cart library with minimal hassle while you find good deals on the consoles.
Plus, when I'm playing by myself, I don't want the games in HD. I prefer them on my CRT. Moving them around from TV to TV isn't optimal.
Have you ever heard of the Retro Freak? That's one console I've been interested in, compatible with many different systems and, has a lot of quality of life improvments.
I have two of them. It’s an emulator / rom dumper like the Retron 5. If you’re ok with that it’s decent. You can load games right off the SD card. I don’t like it’s NES color palette or scan lines much though.
Never heard of Retro Freak. I see it’s over $400 on Amazon. Is that typically what it goes for?
@@pungisotu I don't mind emulators as long as they aren't bad emulators
@@nonentity2574 I don't think so, USD250 is a more appropriate price
@@ParanoidThalyyMVS typical android based stuff. I haven’t had any issues.
Interesting piece or hardware. I had an OLDSKOOL Wii Classic Controller. It worked great!
Even though the sound is off for the NES games, I kinda like the new sound.
Its weird... like some NES games I notice a variation in sound and some not so much. So it may not be a huge deal for everyone... and the variations in sound I notice are not exactly horrible... but definitely noticeable for me. I do think NES looks decent here, its comparable to how the RetroUSB AVS colors are using the original color palette.
NES audio is wonky because the original nintendo made NES sound chip is based on a MOS chip, but works differently. The pirates that created clones such as Dendy used the normal MOS chips so the sound was off. It was the best you could have done with off the shelf parts in the early 90s.
You move it very fast but the device looks good. Nice design. And the controllers looks like having a good design. Thanks for the presentation.
Just got this the other day. I also have the Super Retro Trio Plus and the Retron 3 HD. All SNES games whether it's original cart, repro cart, multicart, Super Everdrive or FX Pak Pro, displays speckles of black lines on the upper right side of the screen. You can also see it in this video when Super Mario World is running. Load up the 240p Test Suite on a flashcart and on the white test pattern you can clearly see it. Every few seconds there are random speckles of black lines. I also have the same NES multicart but I didn't get any black speckles on SMB3. Everdrive N8 Plus (clone) doesn't work, so the regular N8 probably doesn't work. Krzysio Cart seems to be the only NES flashcart that works. Audio on SNES and Genesis are in mono through HDMI but are in stereo through AV out (but the L/R channels are reversed). Virtua Racing and SMS games work (tested through Mega Everdrive Pro). PAL region setting on Genesis doesn't work correctly (screen blinks/scrolls vertically). No region switch for NES. The included controllers are interesting. The extra 2 buttons are useable for SNES/Genesis. On SNES games when set to N, Z=SNES L and C=SNES R. On Genesis games when set to S, L=Genesis Z and R=Genesis C. On NES games when set to N, X=NES B and A=NES A. When set to S, A=NES A and B=NES B. Overall not as good as the Retron 3 HD which has correct stereo through HDMI and N8 compatibility. It does have a better NES color palette than Retron 3 HD and plays SMS games correctly in NTSC mode. It's slightly better than Super Retro Trio Plus for the aspect ratio switch, but the black speckles on SNES games might be annoying.
I'm still using a Super 8 Famiclone-to-SNES adapter that I bought in the 90s.
Good: I have a Famicom Everdrive N8 and Famicom expansion audio works
Bad: Best available video output is composite
Honestly im just happy with my analogue systems, but this is a good alternative for those on a budget.
The major problem with Analogue is that they don't keep anything in stock. They make stuff, sell it, then your out of luck unless you're willing to pay a LOT of money on the secondary market. The only way that model makes sense, is if they keep some of the produced stock and are selling it at huge markups on the secondary market themselves. Otherwise, they'd be incentivized to produce more units.
Good video and review of this system! Been thinking of getting something like this for myself! Thanks!
How does the Super Gameboy sound? I know these clone consoles usually have bloated snes audio but it is REALLY noticeable with the Super Gameboy.
I bought the turbo grafx 16 controller from old skool, it was ok.
Can't complain considering you can play all 3 consoles in hd
We really need a Clone Console roundup. EG. THe best non-emulation way to play NES, SNES, Genesis, as seperate videos would be awesome.
We need a stand alone console or flash cart to play DS games on home TV! Sorry, its not relevant but I'm hoping someone will hear me out and take it upon themselves to get this done. OH YEAH, and bring back Mat Hoffman Pro BMX.
For sure, gimme a Nintendo DS Home console!
@@Madlittlepixel search for "Revo K2DS" it is a prototype of a DS clone made by the same that made the Revo K101 GBA clone, it seems like he canceled it because he thought there wasn't a market for it, I haven't seen any big channels covering it yet.
where on earth do you keep finding all this new retro shit!
not complaining tho, im all down for the madness!
great channel btw!
keep em coming! ;)
Disappointing that there's no 3 in 1 clone console that's gotten NES sound right. If this managed to fix that it would arguably be the best 3 in 1 clone console.
Nice review Ron!
That NES sound is way off, BUT it's not that bad. Most cheap clone consoles seem to up-pitch the sound, then overdrive it to the point of sounding like it's blowing the speakers out of your TV, even when the volume is low.
Great little system for the money imho. I don’t retro game everyday, so it’s usually more of a “…hmm, I haven’t played (insert game here) in awhile…” for me.
I ended up using the original hardware controllers mostly, but I have to say that the effort that went into these Classiq controllers is insane. I can’t believe they made a controller that works for everything, and honestly, ain’t half bad and they do grow on you after awhile, though I do agree they do best with the genesis.
Dang, that controller is somewhat close to what I would consider a perfect universal retro gaming controller. Ideally I want to see 6 symmetrical face buttons.
I have the Analogue Mega SG, Analogue NT (very first run) & the Super NT while awesome they do take up a lot of space so I’ve actually been considering a multi unit. Sounds crazy but it’s true. Still waiting for that perfect one tho. Perhaps Analogue will make a multi FPGA console? Are you listening Analogue?!
There is a project MisterFPGA. Multisystem based on FPGA. Unfortunately, no cartridge support.
I am good with my original consoles as well as my RetroBit RetroTrio which does NES/Snes/Genesis as well as all 3 Everdrives, composite only but great on my little CRT.
I've been collecting them during the last year, but most of the time I like to play on RetroPie just so I don't have to deal with the headaches of swapping systems. For the most part it's fine, but some games like some of the NES ports to GBC aren't pleasant to play. It's the panning around of the screen to allow access to the full NES screen on the smaller GBC monitor that causes it.
Way to go on putting the system switch on the controller instead of the console. Good call old skool
I've never gotten speckles on SMB3. I'm using a 239 in 1 cart too. I'm also playing on a Super retro trio.
I paid the same for the Retro trio+ and this looks to have a few more features and the same compatibility. I'd be ok with this on my shelf.
The sound on old Genesis consoles and the Game Gear usually go bad over time because of the capacitors on the mother board. Those capacitors were only rated to last about 15 years. They can be replaced, and when you do that, the sound on the original hardware will blow you away.
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I don't trust my 6 year old with my consoles and carts yet, so I got him a retrobit trio with them NES, SNES and Genesis multicart from Amazon and I'm using a seiki HDMI cable that's made in collaboration with the people at Marseille.
For $40 this cable produces a significantly better image than the regular HDMI cable these clone consoles give you. I was very impressed with the picture quality and makes these clone consoles more enjoyable.
old skools take on the super retro trio hd love it
Interesting video man👍👏 Honestly why would i buy it? Buy a SFF pc from Lenovo, HP or Dell and put batocera on it, a lot of emulators and gamepads supported. I just this week bought a refurbed Dell optiplex 3050 mff with 1 year warranty for 100 bucks. Runs everything up to gamecube and wii. Awesome. Batocera runs well on harddisk.
I recently learned why the sound is off on nes-on-a-chip consoles. Apparently the first clone got the duty cycles wrong and every clone based on that original clone never fixed it.
Would this be something the community can fix?
@@shanez1215 I guess so but I don’t know for sure. I just repeated what I heard about the sound issue from a video that was mainly about a rare bootleg cartridge.
I remember having a conversation some years ago with a higher up at a company that produces these things.. he had told me pretty much any company making these things no matter the brand winds up getting the boards for these systems made from the same factory, sometimes with minor alterations but all still based on the same chipset. So this sounds very likely that its just been noone bothering to reinvent the chipset for NES clones and all just use the same thing.
The Retro Freak is the king of these clone consoles.
But that one is just emulation, it doesn't support flash cartridge which means games don't run as smooth as they should.
The speckles show up on my Retron 5 for Multi-carts or homebrew carts, the fix for it in my case was to change the regions between NTSC & PAL, most multi-carts are set to PAL
I tried swapping but Mario 3 stayed speckled where no other game on the multicart did. So im unsure how its happening, but I will test further.
@@Madlittlepixel might be off the wall, but have you tried the SNES to NES/Famicom adapter from Retrobit? It's the one that came with the Retro Duo Portable. That's the only way I could get a few to work on the Retron 5 before doing the region swap. Might be worth a shot at least
Is it tough to get the cartridges out?
I thought the LED was cool.
Yeah it is kind of a neat aesthetic, and nice you can turn it off if ya dont like it being on.
What's the reason for the composite to hdmi? It's not like they're using original hardware which would require some real work to get a digital signal out
Reminds me of Super Retro Trio. Except Trio stretched only to 16:9. This seems to have 4:3 option. I hope this has good compatibility. Checking out this vid as we speak
I wonder why hasn't there been a clone console for PS2/Xbox developed. 🤔🤔
Does it play Virtua Racing for Sega Genesis, and Doom, for SNES?
Lol. Using the retrobit super retro trio 3+. Its done what I need out of it. The controller that comes with it is eeehh. But with the option to use original controllers are nice. To bad none of my nes controllers are working, need to find a good replacement for that. But will think about this one.
Great video brother 😀
It's the Super Nintenesis! That's a shame about the NES sound. Most cheap clone consoles can't even output HDMI on NES for some reason. I guess it couldn't be perfect. Super Nintendo and Genesis seem to sound ok from what I hear in the video and the picture quality isn't bad. A extra bad thing on NES is that the A and B buttons reversed on those cheap controllers. I think it looks OK for SNES and Genesis.
Thanks
If you are reading this, stick around to the end to see Montezuma's Revenge on NES. ;)
Seems promising, does the SNES cartridge slot have those notches cuz I have a few Super Famicom games?
Out of curiosity how does Castlevania III play on this along with can you use a Game Genie with cheat codes for the NES?
I wonder if the colors are right on the NES games. Some other clones seem to struggle with this.
When i compared, it was pretty close to the RetroUSB AVS original pallette color scheme.
I would mod the snes/genesis side for rgb. I’ve rgb modded a yobo snes and it’s 1 chip sharp
I kinda like this but I was wondering? I have my original snes will it work and what would you recommend to make it a better upconversion to hopefully 1080p? I do like that the old school can play multi systems and the multi carts. I think that's really nice as I would be able to play more games. What would you recommend??
Are all of the three systems "on-a-chip" style or are they like some of these recent NES and SNES clones that have a similar quantity of chips to the originals?
as someone who still owns all of their original SNES games and wants to play & stream games on a replica system with HDMI capabilities, what would be the best recommendation for both availability & price? Not really giving a budget, just looking for something that can have Quality + Performance etc. for someone who wants to revisit the SNES era again without the use of emulators.
Availability is the difficult part. But here are my recommendations if you can find them. Original 1 chip SNES with RAD2X cable for HDMI or paired with Retrotink 5x PRO & SNES HD Retrovision cables, or an Analogue Super NT... those would be my pics for quality/performance. Other options would be Hyperkin Retron5 which is emulation, uses your original carts and dumps the rom and plays, can be a useful system for backing up saves from your carts if needing to replace batteries, can put saves back to cart, visual quality is good.
Still waiting on more CD based clone consoles PS1 etc. I think the Polymega is the only one of those in existence.
I think it's weird that most software emulation, seems to have much better compatibility and accuracy compared to clone consoles.
Is there a follow up on the regulate everdrive n8 working? I don’t have a pro and not necessarily in need of upgrading to one, but if the original one works I’m ok with this to condense my game room.
Sorry if this is a repeat question. But does this work with the El Gato capture card?
Are both AV(RCA) and HDMI on at all times or just one of them on? If both of them are on, I could connect RCA to a CRT TV while HDMI could be used for game footage capture.
Just for the snes alone I might pull the trigger, it's a shame the sound is always off on the latest NES Clone consoles.
Usted tiene cartuchos de juego en su Nueva consola ?
I've been happy using the Retrobit Res+ for NES. It's just good to see there are options for using your physical cartridges.
4:47 Wait, for the NES button mapping, the A is to the left of the B? That's backwards! I hope the instructions are inaccurate or this can actually be changed. Otherwise it will really mess up my game playing.
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You don’t want sticky flaps! 😝👍
I wonder if the Hyperkin Hyper Blaster HD is compatible with this…
Pretty cool.
I've been looking for a cheap clone console to dethrone the Hyperkin Retron 1 HD for NES games but without succes. Does this console play Castlevania 3 properly?
Very interesting video, i like it, Greetings
Do all 3 ports operate the 'Game Genie'?
Can this handle master system games in NTSC mode or is it wack like Hyperkin?
Does the Japanese cartridge of Mega Drive/Famicom/Super Famicom worked on this?
I'm thinking of getting one of those clone consoles that plays three systems if so and has a good quality.
Yes Mega drive/Famicom and SF cart all work on the Classiq 3
@@robertcooperstein9286 Good. I'm getting one of those one day
I wish they had ones in 4k
Everything I want to know about HD clone console is Inputlag
I play on a low latency monitor, which your tv or monitor will be one of the culprits to lag... here I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary, I played through Super Mario Bros on the NES and didnt notice anything out of the ordinary.
I think we should have a n64 clone. Up to this day we havnt had one yet
Would uk version of games play on this or just usa?
So if instructions are in Japanese I am guessing this works with Famicom and Super Famicom games as well?
Yes It does ply Famicom as well as Super Famicom there is a region switch on the console so it can play games from any region
@@robertcooperstein9286 Thank you!