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I use OpenTrack / AI track software with a web cam and would love to see a comparison between this and the Tobii Eye Tracker to see if this would be a meaningful upgrade.
I have used the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 for over one year so far, and I love it. I use it for almost all of my flying, but GA and warbird flying most of all. My rig is an old 2080ti and a 9900k, and it runs very well. I use it in place of VR until I can get a newer, monster rig for VR. Even then I will still use it, together with VR, as the mood takes me.
@@petroniobmesquita Hi, I haven’t used VR for some time, but I plan to return to it when I get my new PC next year. So, I have been using Tobii Eye Tracker 5 in place of VR, and I must say I think it is a very good substitute. In fact, in some circumstances it is better, as the video eludes to.
I’m a new DCS pilot. I’m considering VR, but figuring out how to work a full fidelity plane like the F-15E without “cheating” to see the keyboard, or game pad and control board, has deterred me from buying VR. I might give this a try instead. Thanks! 👏
I call it a VR killer AND a TrackIR5 killer! I'd been using TrackIR5 for three years with the 'Track Clip Pro' and my goodness does it get in the way! I am very OCD when it comes to my desk/setup. I like to have as little in the way as possible which means by nature I prefer anything and everything to be wirelss. I feel like this is a massive upgrade from TrackIR5 as it not only feels more intuitive and natural then the TrackIR5 but also feels far more refined and precise then the TrackIR5. Oh and did I mention only one cord that's not even in the way as it stays behind my monitor and keeps my desk clutter/cable free!
I'm very impressed with how well my Tobii works, but understanding that its job essentially is to dynamically expand your field of view as needed, but still in 2D. Agree that it is nowhere close to being a substitute for VR, which truly puts you inside the cockpit.
I'm flight simming from a very remote corner of Africa, and i just got the Tobii and its been a game changer for me. I had always thought nothing would do but VR; but VR would cost me a fortune and so i went the Tobii way. Only after day one I've chucked away my TrackIR-5 and settled down with the Tobii. It simply is a blast! My only grouse - it doesn't seem to go with IL-2 sturmovik so far. Ah well, can't have it all, can I? Thanks by the way for an adequately effusive review of the product. It's done much to assuage me of my choice of eye tracker.
@@MCP2002 For one thing, no more fumbling clumsily around with a headset that constantly needs adjustment. Then there is the matter of the blind spot when the Led's focus gets lost. Usually, this would be during a dogfight in IL-2 and raw panic would set in and often I would be the one spinning earthwards in flames. Finally, I no longer get into the sim only to realise I didn't activate TrackIR and must first exit to do so. My other reasons (and they are quite many) may not apply to others because my layout differs. Take for instance, I could never get the height and position for the TrackIR camera right atop my monitor. With Tobii the clamping to the base and center of the monitor has put paid to that.
WOW! I would never have thought it would work THIS well, Steve. It's a done deal for me at least. Ofc the 4090 and the Crystal can't be beat, but it WOULD be nice to enjoy the sim without wearing the headset sometimes. And with everything maxed out as well. Until this video I actually thought that you had to press a button to look left and right, and THEN you could look freely within those cams. But this is seamless all the way. GREAT video, and it had great value for me. Thanks a lot for an absolutely amazing video, Buddy. Have a great weekend an a great holiday, going to Croatia. It won't beat Norway, but hey. By the way, nice to see that you still remember all the viking battle techniques that I showed you. 1100 years ago we'd go raiding together. You know, all the English cities and places ending with -BY and - STEAD are places that the vikings overtook. BY and STAD in Norwegian means town. Much love from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥
Lol, that is exactly the reason why I have used Tobii since a few years. I love it and fly very often in 2D as well. Thank you for the review and take care.
Directly a little correction: it is not the first of it's kind device. I have since many years here a Tobii Eye Tracker 4C, the predecessor of this one and it could also do head- and eyetracking at the same time. Used it years ago for Elite Dangerous. I also bought it as VR "Alternative" because at that time VR vs a 4K monitor was a huge difference in resolution. In Elite Dangerous for example I can find my landing pad much earlier because I can read the pad numbers easier. More resolution means a longer visibility before it got into pixel mush on the horizon. But something is also clear, the real scale of things and today also 3D you have only with a VR headset. No flat screen can change that.
I had one of these over 5 years ago, used it just to control the cursor on my laptop, worked great for over a year but then it started making a beeping noise and stopped working for a few minutes on a regular basis, after about the 200th beep I snapped it in half 🤣
Its weird watching this and reading some comments where this is people's first time seeing a head/eye tracking solution. Even though most long time flight simmers have been using some sort of head tracking for well over 10 years and maybe have moved on to VR or still use this.
I just started using Tobii and it works even better than I hoped it would. It's great that I don't need to wear a cap and the eye tracking is amazing. Now, IL-2 Sturmovik needs to add support for Tobii.
This is definitely a good alternative for those who can't use VR headsets due to low vision problems. I'm glad to know the eye tracking can be turned oof, as my eyes jitter quite a lot. I would not be able to use it a lot, as I have a very narrow field of vision, so I wouldn't be able to keep the monitor in view, when looking to the wingtips, for example. I have tried stuff like the Track IR systems, which was ok, but I still was not able to keep the monitor within my field of vision, even if I turned my head more than five degrees. LOL I can just barely use VR headsets, ad my low vision won't allow me to read the tiny silk screening of the instruments, and panels, unfortunately. But, at least, I do get to keep the view in my field of vision, whilst I move my head around. Always a trade-off, for me, and VR / head tracking systems. LOL. Hope your trip went well. Thanks for the video.
I have been using VR for the last couple of years and to be honest as my system aged its not been the experience i wanted. This has opened new enthusiasm for me and i have sold my headset to purchase the head tracker. Now i can enjoy full graphics and increase the realism. VR is fantastic, however i really don’t think the investment required to achieve the best results is viable at the moment. Will still watch your channel though!
Interesting concept but it is not an alternative to VR. The view on the screen changes with movement but you are still looking at a flat screen and the room around you., and as you turn your head or eyes left, right, up or down you are not looking at the monitor or TV but in your room. In VR you can look behind you and see the rear of the aircraft. VR gives a fully immersive experience of near reality, Eye/Head tracking does not.
What size monitor do you use? You said it's large and curved. I use a 34" Alienware curved monitor and Tobii says they only support up to 27-30". Thanks.
I have used this Tobi for ages. I really like it. The only problem is it seems to interfere with Windows 11 screensaver. So if you want to use a screensaver with Windows 11 you can’t have Tobi installed.
So the fact that you're turning your head and not looking at the screen full-on is not an issue? I've always been curious about that. Mine is not curved.
Another excellent video and something I've been feeling guilty about since getting the motion rig and Varjo Aero but this looks perfect for when you don't want to wear the headset and headphones. A few years ago, I tried one of these and it hurt my eyes, hopefully they've fixed that, you don't seem to have any problems with it. While I might miss the full experience with haptic, motion and VR, sometimes, especially in the PMDG 737/ Just Flight 146, I really need to focus and that's much easier at 100fps in 2d than at 30fps in VR - and 30fps is with a 5800x3d and a 4090.. As impressive as those Jets are in VR, VR just feels so much easier and more natural in the Comanche or Vision Jet.
What size monitor are you using...and do you use MSFS in a windowed mode at roughly 16:9 to create your content...or do you have the MSFS window fill your entire monitor? Thanks!!
Someone who knows they will get VERY sick from VR this is a great alternative, and the fact that you don’t need to wear anything is a huge plus because i got great speakers.
Best solution for non-VR users. Btw. nice addition would be another lens with traditional 2-3 mpix camera for video conversations just to save USB slots.
Steve, I would like to use the eye tracker for the flight sim when I am not making a VR flight or for non VR games. However, if I were to make a VR flight in MSFS with a Pimax Crystal, would the Eytracker 5 interfere? Do you need to disable this software first? (Have a nice trip to Croatia)
I managed to pick one up for £160 on ebay. For that price I'm going to give it a try. My 1080ti is only good for less demanding VR flying, so perhaps this is a stop gap until the new rig next year.
I think for big aircraft that are cockpit based this on a big screen could be great. For smaller or faster aircraft with more visual flying, VR is the only option.
Amazing, tnx for the introduction. Price wise & considering that you don't need to invest in extra monitors to achieve wide prereferral view, it is not expensive at all, I'm also Wondering how will it work with my DIY B-58 Homebuilt cockpit, which incorporate 23" touchscreen monitor for the Air Manager instrument Panel, & 40" 4K TV Monitor for the scenery ????
Summed up by your sentence " a nice way to relax"♥️ I have the Tobii eye tracker 5 on my 49in curved Samsung wonderful I also have quest 3 I now use that for sim racing Tobii eye so much better on MSFS 2020 . Watch mark on simhanger great video plus he's done an update . I followed your video to Croatia 😎 thanks again 👏👏
I wonder if the eye tracking in the Varjo Aero could be used to interact with the cockpit like you are doing here. Would be really nice to get rid of the awkward mouse.
I'm hoping the ultraleap eye tracking unit will fix that in the varjo but it's not far fetched that you would utlize the eye tracking from the aero into the Tobii style interface. I am going to order both as the prices are reasonable. Could be game changers!
Wow, thanks for bringing something completely different. I'm assuming tobii will work with XP12 so this is on my shopping list as of now. Many thanks Steve.
Have any question, when you turn your head to look at the side of the aircraft you will not be looking at the screen anymore does it still give you enough visual on the screen as you turn your head? Thank you in advance
What size screen are you using? Their specs state "For head tracking, there is no screen size limit. For eye tracking, it can accurately track your eye movements on up to 30" screens". Wondering if it would stand any chance on my 48inch LG OLED 16:9 120Hz TV monitor? Definitely interested. EDIT: Just bought one (from Amazon though in case it doesn't work). It will be interesting to see how it compares to TrackIR in MSFS and how it works with Destiny 2!
Nice review. I've never had any inclination to go down the VR road and I have a nice big 45" screen.......but I'm tempted to try this. Any feedback from users who must wear glasses ?
I have a Tobii Eyetracker 5, a very decent product. It is a boosted TrackIR product with a bit less precision. It is worth trying if you don't have a powerful rig to support VR. For most common use in MSFS and DCS it might give good results, for DCS pvp I'm not so sure. Great vid!
Its less precise, have much higher latency and price. Lets be honest, there is a reason why every content creator forget to mention about that in their "review"
I love my tobii eye tracker. I've never been a fan of the VR since it kind of makes me motion sick. The only thing I do different is for me I disable the eye tracking. I only use the head tracking feature works works outstanding in flight simulator.
I was tempted to buy it, but what always stopped me was the fear of missing depth of field and immersion in the sim comparing to VR. What can you tell me about it? By the way, you must know that your videos are the biggest cause of spending money for the my sim 😂
I didn't decide to switch from TrackIR to Tobii because I watched this video; it was the other way around. Now, I'm waiting for it to go on sale again and binging videos to pick up all the tips on usage from the UA-cam pros. Thanks for that! Very good coverage! Question: Tobii says eye tracking is limited to 27" inch monitors, although its head tracking should work on wider monitors. How wide is your curved monitor and if >27" do you notice any problem with Tobii because of it?
I'd be interested if it wasn't the best part of £300. It's not that I can't afford it, but won't pay that for something that's marginally better than a free alternative. A third of that maybe, but no chance at this exorbitant price. Edit: I cracked after watching the full review and noting the discount. Still expensive but it's my birthday. Let's see how it works with XP12.
I run 3 huge displays at 43 inches each ...I want to go with VR & I've watched many of your great reviews (Big Screen impressed me) but the truth is that I sweat profusely & wear glasses ...so I must keep my cave airconditioned. I tried Track IR & liked it ...but it crapped out ...just stopped working on my system. (an Alienware Aurora 13 ...i9 10900KF with a 3080 ) ...but works fine on the two lesser PC's we own!!!??? I gave it away! Does it work in the view outside of the airplane? I think this would be great & I'm sold ...I'll make the purchase soon ...That Comanche is first though ...lol ... I'm happy to hear you mention the track & cars ...Goodwood Festival of Speed is on my bucket list ...thanks.
I’ve used Tobii Eye tracker and VR extensively. VR for flight sims (DCS, IL2, MSFS) still wins. It’s convenient for those who do not yet ha I’ve used Tobii Eye tracker and VR extensively. VR for flight sims (DCS, IL2, MSFS) still wins. It’s convenient for those who do not yet have VR or want the freedom of not wearing a headset. I built a near-scale Cessna 172 cockpit with multiple 42” screens and a lot of peripherals. It was great, but VR also takes first for modularity and comfort in that sense. When will someone develop one giant monitor for flight simmers?
Five minutes into your video, and I have $299 less money. I freakin hate you! Just kidding brother, your videos are awesome 😊 At least I won’t have to deal with the annoying red blue shift magenta mess with my aero anymore. By the way I never got any help with how to fix that.
Will it work putting the joystick on the same table where the monitor sits, between the screen and the player’s head, center position, for occasional gaming? TIA
This is quite an interesting video, thanks, I bought a G2 in the spring, and am honestly disappointed with it, I've a decent system, with a rtx3090, but the compromise in quality of graphics between in and out of VR, for me is only worthwhile in DCS. I have had track ir5 for several years, but find it restrictive for staying put while in sim, and doesn't track as well as it should. This looks like it'll cope with seat wriggling, and high fidelity tracking, might have to give it a try. Thanks Steve.
Looking for a solution: 😅 How do you turn a knob using the mouse pointer if as soon as your eyes move, the knob moves with the screen and you end up chasing it with the mouse? It's almost impossible to keep your eyes fixed on the same screen area for the required time to turn the knob.
Has anyone done a comparison between Tobii and TrackIR? What does the eye tracking add over and above the head tracking, when you‘re using it with MSFS?
doesnt give you the sense of depth and space vr does, but its a hell of a lot easier to run and much more pratical for long flights. Feel liek VR still had another 5 years or so before its perfected
I jumped ship from X-Box in 2019 and purchased a mid-range PC at first, instead of the Series-X. Never looked back. One of the best decisions I've made. My only regret is not doing it much, much sooner. Jumping from the 'Xbox One-X' to PC blew my mind with the high quality 'Ultra' graphic settings and native 4K at unlocked frame rates. I'm still annoyed for buying into the 4K console marketing lies when it was just dynamic resolution or upscaling and yet still barely locked to 30fps in Triple-A games. I just read that consoles still run at 30fps in Starfield. Jump ship as soon as you can mate. I don't know of anyone that's regretted it. I was an X-Box fanboy since the first one came out. My Gamertag account is linked to approximately £40,000 in purchases over the decades and I just happily gave it up for PC simulations like DCS and IL-2 Great Battles with TrackiR5 and VR. I remember watching The Grim Reapers whilst I still had a console and wished I had a PC, so I could play DCS and IL-2 GB's and Submarine sims. I'm just upgrading little by little. Saving up my pennies and getting store credit at Curry's to help with the hardware I need for simulation titles. I know I'm making a lot of assumptions but I wasted years on consoles with that constant itch never being scratched, so to speak. Until I had a PC. I don't want people to make the same mistake as me and waste a ton of cash on console garbage. Such a huge regret for me! I'm so disgusted with the console industry. If only someone had told me this back in 2005. Before I bought my second X-Box version. The only positive thing I think I can say is that I met some nice people through X-Box Live but ultimately lost them as they just upgraded to the next X-Box version.
I just switched from Curved back to flat screen....I suggest you try the same....see how your eyes are....might be a new video for you to report on.....
it'd be cool BUT... the 3D immersion is way cooler we just need higher resolution more GPU capabilities and way lighter headsets like wearing sunglasses lightweight
Great video! I am currently using the reverb G2 along with the Yawll chair. In my opinion probably the closest you will get to the real thing. I admit though as you said that wearing a headset for a long period of time is a bit taxing, and I do miss the clarity of the monitor/TV. I am seriously considering this even though it won’t be compatible with the Chair. Anyone looking for a Yawll PRO?
I have both, I prefere Tobii for practical reasons, one of them to see my Saitek panels and instruments. VR is more like to be in a zoo admiring an animal for some seconds and never see it again until 30 years after.
I don't get how this could work. For example, when you physically turn your head to the left and thus are then looking 30deg to the left, it seems to me the only way this could work is to have the monitor and image move in an arc 30 deg to the left etc., etc. Maybe your video needs to show a view a few feet behind your head. Am I missing something??
I bought a Tobii Eye Tracker 5 and used it for 24 hours before I returned it. It was ok but wasn't really any better than OpenTrack. A VR killer, not even close.
Could you tell us what using it on a motion platform? do we have to mount it on the platform if the display is outside or is it preferable having the display and the Tobii on the platform and moving with pilot ?
No, the reason why it is no VR killer is: no real scale feeling of objects, no 3D, no 1:1 head tracking, no blending out of the real world, no "I'm in the game" feeling, still feeling like looking through a window into a game world with wrong size scale.
@@blizado3675 but that is exactly why 300 on a VR is better than 300 on a device. The only justification to have one would be people who have nausea with VR :)
Yup. And again, proudly giving you views and money because I value your work. However, when I think you are not being fair I will gladly say it. I’ve supported you in the past, and will continue supporting you, but none of us here are stupid. You can’t say “ views are my own” and “ it’s a paid sponsorship” in the same sentence. Sorry for calling you out on this.
@@miraclealigner That's much appreciated. Rest assured though, if I do make a paid sponsored video (which is very rare), I will always say and it makes no difference to my opinions. I really love the Tobii Eye Tracker and I often use it for gaming 👍
Anyone used this for productivity in a windows environment, to extend their workspace? Like editing docs, photoshopping, 3d modelling at the same time...?
nah... vr killer? That would be something like the matrix.. to jack myself in, the day that that is possible. That might be the VR killer, but eye tracker, nah... ;)
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I am interested in the purchase & who doesn't like to save 20%??? ...I live in Canada though ...does that make a difference?
I use OpenTrack / AI track software with a web cam and would love to see a comparison between this and the Tobii Eye Tracker to see if this would be a meaningful upgrade.
Would you switch permanently from vr to this one?
@@giacomoertiani3122 Absolutely not. Please watch the video 👍
@@MsTheCops yes, it worked for me. I have a Varjo Aero and I still went ahead to try this for days when I can't be in VR.
I have used the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 for over one year so far, and I love it. I use it for almost all of my flying, but GA and warbird flying most of all. My rig is an old 2080ti and a 9900k, and it runs very well. I use it in place of VR until I can get a newer, monster rig for VR. Even then I will still use it, together with VR, as the mood takes me.
Together with VR? U got me curious dude.
It does not work “together”, in fact you have to disable it when you’re in front of it with your VR headset. Maybe he means “when I’m not using VR”.
@@petroniobmesquita Hi, I haven’t used VR for some time, but I plan to return to it when I get my new PC next year. So, I have been using Tobii Eye Tracker 5 in place of VR, and I must say I think it is a very good substitute. In fact, in some circumstances it is better, as the video eludes to.
Welcome to the 2D world 😂. It’s an amazing piece of kit & thanks for the shout out 👍
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Have had a Tobii 5 for over 18 months now. Works great for DCS and MSFS. Mounted underneath a 55" 4K HDTV.
I’m a new DCS pilot. I’m considering VR, but figuring out how to work a full fidelity plane like the F-15E without “cheating” to see the keyboard, or game pad and control board, has deterred me from buying VR. I might give this a try instead. Thanks! 👏
Just ordered mine yesterday. Looking forward to using it. Thanks for the video.
I call it a VR killer AND a TrackIR5 killer! I'd been using TrackIR5 for three years with the 'Track Clip Pro' and my goodness does it get in the way! I am very OCD when it comes to my desk/setup. I like to have as little in the way as possible which means by nature I prefer anything and everything to be wirelss. I feel like this is a massive upgrade from TrackIR5 as it not only feels more intuitive and natural then the TrackIR5 but also feels far more refined and precise then the TrackIR5. Oh and did I mention only one cord that's not even in the way as it stays behind my monitor and keeps my desk clutter/cable free!
I'm very impressed with how well my Tobii works, but understanding that its job essentially is to dynamically expand your field of view as needed, but still in 2D. Agree that it is nowhere close to being a substitute for VR, which truly puts you inside the cockpit.
I'm flight simming from a very remote corner of Africa, and i just got the Tobii and its been a game changer for me. I had always thought nothing would do but VR; but VR would cost me a fortune and so i went the Tobii way. Only after day one I've chucked away my TrackIR-5 and settled down with the Tobii. It simply is a blast!
My only grouse - it doesn't seem to go with IL-2 sturmovik so far. Ah well, can't have it all, can I?
Thanks by the way for an adequately effusive review of the product. It's done much to assuage me of my choice of eye tracker.
Thx for mentioning IL2. What a bummer. Hopefully that will change.
What do you like over TIR 5? I'm considering putting my TIR 5 away for this.
@@MCP2002 For one thing, no more fumbling clumsily around with a headset that constantly needs adjustment. Then there is the matter of the blind spot when the Led's focus gets lost. Usually, this would be during a dogfight in IL-2 and raw panic would set in and often I would be the one spinning earthwards in flames. Finally, I no longer get into the sim only to realise I didn't activate TrackIR and must first exit to do so.
My other reasons (and they are quite many) may not apply to others because my layout differs. Take for instance, I could never get the height and position for the TrackIR camera right atop my monitor. With Tobii the clamping to the base and center of the monitor has put paid to that.
@@kokoeteantigha389 Thanks! Sounds like it's worth a look. My TIR annoyances seem to parallel yours.
WOW! I would never have thought it would work THIS well, Steve. It's a done deal for me at least. Ofc the 4090 and the Crystal can't be beat, but it WOULD be nice to enjoy the sim without wearing the headset sometimes. And with everything maxed out as well. Until this video I actually thought that you had to press a button to look left and right, and THEN you could look freely within those cams. But this is seamless all the way. GREAT video, and it had great value for me. Thanks a lot for an absolutely amazing video, Buddy. Have a great weekend an a great holiday, going to Croatia. It won't beat Norway, but hey. By the way, nice to see that you still remember all the viking battle techniques that I showed you. 1100 years ago we'd go raiding together. You know, all the English cities and places ending with -BY and - STEAD are places that the vikings overtook. BY and STAD in Norwegian means town. Much love from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥
Lol, that is exactly the reason why I have used Tobii since a few years.
I love it and fly very often in 2D as well.
Thank you for the review and take care.
Directly a little correction: it is not the first of it's kind device. I have since many years here a Tobii Eye Tracker 4C, the predecessor of this one and it could also do head- and eyetracking at the same time. Used it years ago for Elite Dangerous.
I also bought it as VR "Alternative" because at that time VR vs a 4K monitor was a huge difference in resolution. In Elite Dangerous for example I can find my landing pad much earlier because I can read the pad numbers easier. More resolution means a longer visibility before it got into pixel mush on the horizon.
But something is also clear, the real scale of things and today also 3D you have only with a VR headset. No flat screen can change that.
I had one of these over 5 years ago, used it just to control the cursor on my laptop, worked great for over a year but then it started making a beeping noise and stopped working for a few minutes on a regular basis, after about the 200th beep I snapped it in half 🤣
When you snapped it in half did it work on two monitors? 😃
STARTED GAMING IN THE LATE 80 S SEEING THIS BLOWS MY MIND
Its weird watching this and reading some comments where this is people's first time seeing a head/eye tracking solution. Even though most long time flight simmers have been using some sort of head tracking for well over 10 years and maybe have moved on to VR or still use this.
I just started using Tobii and it works even better than I hoped it would. It's great that I don't need to wear a cap and the eye tracking is amazing. Now, IL-2 Sturmovik needs to add support for Tobii.
This is definitely a good alternative for those who can't use VR headsets due to low vision problems. I'm glad to know the eye tracking can be turned oof, as my eyes jitter quite a lot. I would not be able to use it a lot, as I have a very narrow field of vision, so I wouldn't be able to keep the monitor in view, when looking to the wingtips, for example. I have tried stuff like the Track IR systems, which was ok, but I still was not able to keep the monitor within my field of vision, even if I turned my head more than five degrees. LOL I can just barely use VR headsets, ad my low vision won't allow me to read the tiny silk screening of the instruments, and panels, unfortunately. But, at least, I do get to keep the view in my field of vision, whilst I move my head around. Always a trade-off, for me, and VR / head tracking systems. LOL. Hope your trip went well. Thanks for the video.
Nice and relaxed review 😀 ...great piece of kit too.
Enjoy holidays and stay safe 👍
I have been using VR for the last couple of years and to be honest as my system aged its not been the experience i wanted. This has opened new enthusiasm for me and i have sold my headset to purchase the head tracker. Now i can enjoy full graphics and increase the realism. VR is fantastic, however i really don’t think the investment required to achieve the best results is viable at the moment. Will still watch your channel though!
Interesting concept but it is not an alternative to VR. The view on the screen changes with movement but you are still looking at a flat screen and the room around you., and as you turn your head or eyes left, right, up or down you are not looking at the monitor or TV but in your room. In VR you can look behind you and see the rear of the aircraft. VR gives a fully immersive experience of near reality, Eye/Head tracking does not.
What size monitor do you use? You said it's large and curved. I use a 34" Alienware curved monitor and Tobii says they only support up to 27-30". Thanks.
I have used this Tobi for ages. I really like it. The only problem is it seems to interfere with Windows 11 screensaver. So if you want to use a screensaver with Windows 11 you can’t have Tobi installed.
My Oculus Quest II is gathering dust. I recently picked up the Tobii 5 and WOW !
So the fact that you're turning your head and not looking at the screen full-on is not an issue? I've always been curious about that. Mine is not curved.
If you look at your tv from side to side you move your head but your still looking at only your tv so it works great
Another excellent video and something I've been feeling guilty about since getting the motion rig and Varjo Aero but this looks perfect for when you don't want to wear the headset and headphones. A few years ago, I tried one of these and it hurt my eyes, hopefully they've fixed that, you don't seem to have any problems with it.
While I might miss the full experience with haptic, motion and VR, sometimes, especially in the PMDG 737/ Just Flight 146, I really need to focus and that's much easier at 100fps in 2d than at 30fps in VR - and 30fps is with a 5800x3d and a 4090.. As impressive as those Jets are in VR, VR just feels so much easier and more natural in the Comanche or Vision Jet.
What size monitor are you using...and do you use MSFS in a windowed mode at roughly 16:9 to create your content...or do you have the MSFS window fill your entire monitor? Thanks!!
Someone who knows they will get VERY sick from VR this is a great alternative, and the fact that you don’t need to wear anything is a huge plus because i got great speakers.
Best solution for non-VR users. Btw. nice addition would be another lens with traditional 2-3 mpix camera for video conversations just to save USB slots.
Great tutorial. Just bought one. Thank you for a very detailed analysis of a fantastic add on for Flight Sims.
Glad it was helpful and thank you so much for watching
Steve, I would like to use the eye tracker for the flight sim when I am not making a VR flight or for non VR games. However, if I were to make a VR flight in MSFS with a Pimax Crystal, would the Eytracker 5 interfere? Do you need to disable this software first? (Have a nice trip to Croatia)
Have you tried ALT-TAB in windows with the eye tracking? Or snapping the mouse curser to where you look? Pretty sweet features!
I managed to pick one up for £160 on ebay. For that price I'm going to give it a try. My 1080ti is only good for less demanding VR flying, so perhaps this is a stop gap until the new rig next year.
I think for big aircraft that are cockpit based this on a big screen could be great. For smaller or faster aircraft with more visual flying, VR is the only option.
What if you sit with Melissa together and fly can you select who Toby needs to track, only the pilot? :-)
Amazing, tnx for the introduction. Price wise & considering that you don't need to invest in extra monitors to achieve wide prereferral view, it is not expensive at all, I'm also Wondering how will it work with my DIY B-58 Homebuilt cockpit, which incorporate 23" touchscreen monitor for the Air Manager instrument Panel, & 40" 4K TV Monitor for the scenery ????
I think it’s good alternative for those who are sick in VR. Maybe better than track Ir 🤔
Do you have Navigraph addon also active here at goodwood? because you also have double runway markings
Summed up by your sentence " a nice way to relax"♥️ I have the Tobii eye tracker 5 on my 49in curved Samsung wonderful I also have quest 3 I now use that for sim racing Tobii eye so much better on MSFS 2020 . Watch mark on simhanger great video plus he's done an update . I followed your video to Croatia 😎 thanks again 👏👏
I wonder if the eye tracking in the Varjo Aero could be used to interact with the cockpit like you are doing here. Would be really nice to get rid of the awkward mouse.
I'm hoping the ultraleap eye tracking unit will fix that in the varjo but it's not far fetched that you would utlize the eye tracking from the aero into the Tobii style interface. I am going to order both as the prices are reasonable. Could be game changers!
Wow, thanks for bringing something completely different. I'm assuming tobii will work with XP12 so this is on my shopping list as of now. Many thanks Steve.
Have any question, when you turn your head to look at the side of the aircraft you will not be looking at the screen anymore does it still give you enough visual on the screen as you turn your head? Thank you in advance
Same question here, not sure how that feels...
What size screen are you using? Their specs state "For head tracking, there is no screen size limit. For eye tracking, it can accurately track your eye movements on up to 30" screens". Wondering if it would stand any chance on my 48inch LG OLED 16:9 120Hz TV monitor? Definitely interested. EDIT: Just bought one (from Amazon though in case it doesn't work). It will be interesting to see how it compares to TrackIR in MSFS and how it works with Destiny 2!
I'm using it on a 43" without issues. Think it's more about how close you sit to it.
@@IVIenac3Just bought one from Amazon (in case it doesn't work). Yes, distance and angle of detection seem to be the factors.
How'd it go?
I going to have to give this a go. This would have been even more amazing if "nvidia 3d vision" was still a thing :)
You just convinced me to buy one. Hasta la vista Track IR 5!
I prefer my trackIR head tracking to VR. It lets me see my fancy controllers and nice monitor that looks better than anything VR can offer so far.
Have you tried closing or covering one eye ? It can enhance the illusion of depth.
Nice review. I've never had any inclination to go down the VR road and I have a nice big 45" screen.......but I'm tempted to try this. Any feedback from users who must wear glasses ?
Awesome piece of hardware. Do You think it can be installed on 55" tv? Is there can be some issues with height which You will install it?
I have a Tobii Eyetracker 5, a very decent product. It is a boosted TrackIR product with a bit less precision. It is worth trying if you don't have a powerful rig to support VR.
For most common use in MSFS and DCS it might give good results, for DCS pvp I'm not so sure.
Great vid!
Its less precise, have much higher latency and price. Lets be honest, there is a reason why every content creator forget to mention about that in their "review"
Can you get rid of the irritating bubbles and still use eye tracking? Otherwise it seems perfect.
It was off when he started, and he said quite clearly he was now turning on the ghost bubble feature. So yes.
I love my tobii eye tracker. I've never been a fan of the VR since it kind of makes me motion sick. The only thing I do different is for me I disable the eye tracking. I only use the head tracking feature works works outstanding in flight simulator.
I was tempted to buy it, but what always stopped me was the fear of missing depth of field and immersion in the sim comparing to VR. What can you tell me about it?
By the way, you must know that your videos are the biggest cause of spending money for the my sim 😂
I didn't decide to switch from TrackIR to Tobii because I watched this video; it was the other way around. Now, I'm waiting for it to go on sale again and binging videos to pick up all the tips on usage from the UA-cam pros. Thanks for that! Very good coverage!
Question: Tobii says eye tracking is limited to 27" inch monitors, although its head tracking should work on wider monitors. How wide is your curved monitor and if >27" do you notice any problem with Tobii because of it?
My pleasure I'm glad my video was useful! :) My monitor is 32" and I've had no problems.
I'd be interested if it wasn't the best part of £300. It's not that I can't afford it, but won't pay that for something that's marginally better than a free alternative.
A third of that maybe, but no chance at this exorbitant price.
Edit: I cracked after watching the full review and noting the discount. Still expensive but it's my birthday. Let's see how it works with XP12.
What discount?
I run 3 huge displays at 43 inches each ...I want to go with VR & I've watched many of your great reviews (Big Screen impressed me) but the truth is that I sweat profusely & wear glasses ...so I must keep my cave airconditioned. I tried Track IR & liked it ...but it crapped out ...just stopped working on my system.
(an Alienware Aurora 13 ...i9 10900KF with a 3080 ) ...but works fine on the two lesser PC's we own!!!??? I gave it away!
Does it work in the view outside of the airplane?
I think this would be great & I'm sold ...I'll make the purchase soon ...That Comanche is first though ...lol ...
I'm happy to hear you mention the track & cars ...Goodwood Festival of Speed is on my bucket list ...thanks.
I’ve used Tobii Eye tracker and VR extensively. VR for flight sims (DCS, IL2, MSFS) still wins. It’s convenient for those who do not yet ha I’ve used Tobii Eye tracker and VR extensively. VR for flight sims (DCS, IL2, MSFS) still wins. It’s convenient for those who do not yet have VR or want the freedom of not wearing a headset. I built a near-scale Cessna 172 cockpit with multiple 42” screens and a lot of peripherals. It was great, but VR also takes first for modularity and comfort in that sense. When will someone develop one giant monitor for flight simmers?
Does this allow for foveated rendering in pancake mode games too?
Thanks, I've been curious about that one.
How does this do in a bright room with lots of window light? I had the Track IR before and it really struggled in that situation.
Five minutes into your video, and I have $299 less money. I freakin hate you! Just kidding brother, your videos are awesome 😊 At least I won’t have to deal with the annoying red blue shift magenta mess with my aero anymore. By the way I never got any help with how to fix that.
This did make me laugh 😂 I'd apologies but I think you'll love it. Thanks for watching 😁
Yeah im also £220 poorer now haha@@VRFlightSimGuy
I use trackir. It's not that smooth in msfs. Is this better? If anyone could make a comparison.
Will it work putting the joystick on the same table where the monitor sits, between the screen and the player’s head, center position, for occasional gaming? TIA
I got to believe if you were in a dark room it would feel much like VR
When one has a headset on you have darkness all around your field of view.
This is quite an interesting video, thanks, I bought a G2 in the spring, and am honestly disappointed with it, I've a decent system, with a rtx3090, but the compromise in quality of graphics between in and out of VR, for me is only worthwhile in DCS. I have had track ir5 for several years, but find it restrictive for staying put while in sim, and doesn't track as well as it should. This looks like it'll cope with seat wriggling, and high fidelity tracking, might have to give it a try. Thanks Steve.
Very interesting, useful and well done video; which are PC specs?
Thankyou! My PC specs are a Stormforce 13900k, 4090.
Would this play well with a triple-screen setup or is it better with a single large screen?
Please tell me how you navigate the switches in the cockpit. Does the cursor follow your eyes?
Looking for a solution: 😅 How do you turn a knob using the mouse pointer if as soon as your eyes move, the knob moves with the screen and you end up chasing it with the mouse? It's almost impossible to keep your eyes fixed on the same screen area for the required time to turn the knob.
Has anyone done a comparison between Tobii and TrackIR? What does the eye tracking add over and above the head tracking, when you‘re using it with MSFS?
If i use this on my living room tv can i place this on my coffe table away from my tv to achieve the distance required?
I personally will stay with my Track ir 5 till i will finally buy my first VR googles.
Could you set up dead zone in the middle (gunsigh) for Combat Flight Simms?
Would you mind sharing your settings with the eye tracker?
doesnt give you the sense of depth and space vr does, but its a hell of a lot easier to run and much more pratical for long flights. Feel liek VR still had another 5 years or so before its perfected
Tobii should work with vr headset makers to implement their technologies. IMHO😊
It would be great if they could get it to work on the Xbox.
I jumped ship from X-Box in 2019 and purchased a mid-range PC at first, instead of the Series-X. Never looked back. One of the best decisions I've made.
My only regret is not doing it much, much sooner.
Jumping from the 'Xbox One-X' to PC blew my mind with the high quality 'Ultra' graphic settings and native 4K at unlocked frame rates.
I'm still annoyed for buying into the 4K console marketing lies when it was just dynamic resolution or upscaling and yet still barely locked to 30fps in Triple-A games.
I just read that consoles still run at 30fps in Starfield. Jump ship as soon as you can mate. I don't know of anyone that's regretted it.
I was an X-Box fanboy since the first one came out.
My Gamertag account is linked to approximately £40,000 in purchases over the decades and I just happily gave it up for PC simulations like DCS and IL-2 Great Battles with TrackiR5 and VR. I remember watching The Grim Reapers whilst I still had a console and wished I had a PC, so I could play DCS and IL-2 GB's and Submarine sims.
I'm just upgrading little by little. Saving up my pennies and getting store credit at Curry's to help with the hardware I need for simulation titles.
I know I'm making a lot of assumptions but I wasted years on consoles with that constant itch never being scratched, so to speak. Until I had a PC.
I don't want people to make the same mistake as me and waste a ton of cash on console garbage. Such a huge regret for me! I'm so disgusted with the console industry.
If only someone had told me this back in 2005. Before I bought my second X-Box version.
The only positive thing I think I can say is that I met some nice people through X-Box Live but ultimately lost them as they just upgraded to the next X-Box version.
I just switched from Curved back to flat screen....I suggest you try the same....see how your eyes are....might be a new video for you to report on.....
it'd be cool BUT... the 3D immersion is way cooler
we just need higher resolution more GPU capabilities and way lighter headsets
like wearing sunglasses lightweight
Great video! I am currently using the reverb G2 along with the Yawll chair. In my opinion probably the closest you will get to the real thing. I admit though as you said that wearing a headset for a long period of time is a bit taxing, and I do miss the clarity of the monitor/TV. I am seriously considering this even though it won’t be compatible with the Chair. Anyone looking for a Yawll PRO?
I have both, I prefere Tobii for practical reasons, one of them to see my Saitek panels and instruments. VR is more like to be in a zoo admiring an animal for some seconds and never see it again until 30 years after.
I couldn't disagree more but thanks for commenting!
I don't get how this could work. For example, when you physically turn your head to the left and thus are then looking 30deg to the left, it seems to me the only way this could work is to have the monitor and image move in an arc 30 deg to the left etc., etc.
Maybe your video needs to show a view a few feet behind your head.
Am I missing something??
I bought a Tobii Eye Tracker 5 and used it for 24 hours before I returned it. It was ok but wasn't really any better than OpenTrack. A VR killer, not even close.
Could you tell us what using it on a motion platform? do we have to mount it on the platform if the display is outside or is it preferable having the display and the Tobii on the platform and moving with pilot ?
Good that there are such low budget opportunities!
Heard it does not work correctly with a large screen tv like my 55 inch . Does anyone have any experience with large tv issues ?
Thanks for the vid .
The reason that is not a VR killer is the price. It is the same price of a Quest 2! But still an amazin head and eye tracker!
No, the reason why it is no VR killer is: no real scale feeling of objects, no 3D, no 1:1 head tracking, no blending out of the real world, no "I'm in the game" feeling, still feeling like looking through a window into a game world with wrong size scale.
@@blizado3675 but that is exactly why 300 on a VR is better than 300 on a device. The only justification to have one would be people who have nausea with VR :)
WITCHER 4 WILL BE AWESOME
And where is the link for Marc from Simhangar?
For content creation it’s king. I get that.
Ayo! Dynamic foveated rendering on flat screen games.
More like a Track IR alternative. Looks sort of nauseating but interesting tech nonetheless.
”this is a paid sponsored video”. BYYYYYYE
Yes. It actually is and I say this at the start of the video lol
Hence, I put the quotation marks ;)
You're still here then 👋
Yup. And again, proudly giving you views and money because I value your work. However, when I think you are not being fair I will gladly say it. I’ve supported you in the past, and will continue supporting you, but none of us here are stupid. You can’t say “ views are my own” and “ it’s a paid sponsorship” in the same sentence. Sorry for calling you out on this.
@@miraclealigner That's much appreciated. Rest assured though, if I do make a paid sponsored video (which is very rare), I will always say and it makes no difference to my opinions. I really love the Tobii Eye Tracker and I often use it for gaming 👍
This could be very nice with a huge curved screen tv but then you have to pay out of that and i can't see it being as immersive as vr!
Does any one know if you can use this with triple screens and just use it so u can look up and down at the controls ?
It's actually so weird to see your naked face in the thumbnail haha.
ikr 😅
Anyone used this for productivity in a windows environment, to extend their workspace? Like editing docs, photoshopping, 3d modelling at the same time...?
Oh no, 85 fps with everything on ultra! You poor thing! 🏃♂️ 🔪 🏃🏾 😂
nah... vr killer? That would be something like the matrix.. to jack myself in, the day that that is possible. That might be the VR killer, but eye tracker, nah... ;)
I agree :)
It's alternative for Track-IR not for VR
A replacement for a mouse