The Raspberry Pi 5 NEEDS These FEATURES..
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I hope the Raspberry Pi 5 has some of THESE FEATURES...
00:00 - Intro
01:27 - Size & Features
04:24 - IO
06:20 - SOC
08:49 - Price
09:47 - Linux Support
10:38 - Wait for the Pi5?
12:04 - Pi5 When?
13:22 - Final Thoughts
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The Pi needs one thing most of all: availability.
True!
And not at inflated prices.
You're in luck the US is building multiple high grade silicon facilities in the US, so the chip shortage should be sorted out in a few years.
i never use the Mini-HDMI ports i always use SSH or VNC
Both m.2 and EMMC are possible/available on the CM4.
4k smooth video playback is a must now.
That would be nice for sure!
not just the SoC not powerful enough, they should upgrade the RAM bandwidth too
@@stephensu4371 The SoC has hardware video acceleration and can play 4K video, but Broadcom still hasn't open sourced the drivers. I really hope the Pi foundation will pick a SoC with proper open source driver support.
@@LivingLinux if you don’t have proper driver support what is the difference between you have one and don’t have one, yes i hope they can pick a SoC with a proper driver, e.g. snapdragon, rock chip, even if them wish to have low price they can try Allwinner. look at radxa zero, that small board (same size with RPI zero) but got 4GB and EMMC and more option
@@stephensu4371 When it's not in the hardware, the driver won't matter. When it is in the harware, the driver does matter. Just look at the announcement that the Pi 4 will be Vulkan 1.2 compliant with a future update of Mesa.
I love having 2 HDMI outs. Micro HDMI is crap tho. My first Pi4 has a bad 1st micro HDMI, so it limits it's use. Other problems... Not enough power for USB when using a fast flash card, overclocking. This is true with the official power supply and also running on battery, with a 3.0 amp buck converter. 12v 6 amp battery still can't power the pi portable HDMI screen with touchscreen and speakers. So for my setup, 3 batteries. It did work with the official Pi 7" screen... however that screen has an 1 1/2" extra glass on the sides making it wider for absolutely no reason.
Dual ethernet would be cool so you could build your own router.
With all these high prices for chips, wondering what they can do... or if they will wait for supply constraints before an update.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they wait for the supply constraints, because without that I would assume supply would be a mess.
Unless we can actually get RPi computers, none of this matters.
That said, the one thing SBCs need is reliable PCIe bus access. With that, and proper attention to how it is built and powered, you solve most of the limitations of SBCs. PCIe would give us access to SATA, graphics cards and faster network speeds above 1Gbit.
just few more things i wish add to the list. the first is the RAM band width has to be increase, i tested on my pi 4 up max 4GB/s band width clearly not enough if you have 4K playback, at last 64bit width. the second is i wish to have the GPIO pins are not attach to the board when it comes out (it should be an option that GPIO pins attach or not, Radxa zero is a good example).
Nice thoughts!
I.I'm down for a regular, pro and max/ultra models with increasing features and prices. Something like $45, 65/75, 95/105
Those other boards have pretty bad support for developers, that's why there is no bigger community.
I have a Cubitruck, a Cubiboard 2, the original Radxa Rock board and an Olinuxino (144 GIPOs! Yeah!). No new GPU drivers since the day they where delivered, no devicetree for newer kernels and so on. I keep the Cubitruck alive for the time being since I use it as some sort of a cash register with some ERP added in while I work with the developer to dockerize the application. The Olinuxino runs on Kernel 2.3x! Nothing I would want in a productive network in times like these.
Back in 2013 I used Raspi A's for smart displays in an arts exhibition with cheap 32" HDready TVs. Two of those serve my smarthome today running the current RaspberryPi OS!
perhaps the Pi 5 could also have support for Thunderbolt.
I want an M.2 Slot.
I got Argon ONE M2 cases for my Pis (not cheap but not ridiculously expensive either) and that works perfectly, has a nice form factor and good cooling.
just one usb A enough , rest should be type C and thunderbolt 4, there is lots of dock to multiply outputs.
Having seen the mighty Radxa Zero, I'd love a RP Zero format with RP4 innards. I'd also love to see UFS replace the microSD card but chances are practically nil. Raspberry Pi are at the mercy of Broadcom. 😔
On board flash will be good
The Raspberry Pi is a $35 computer, granted that only gets you 1GB of RAM and as the RAM increases so does the price. You mention some fantastic SBCs but they are nowhere near that $35. The price would need to go up in order to incorporate some of those desirable features. As for two monitors, fantastic if you are doing a project, office writer on one screen and the internet on the other is such a leap forward.
Yeah, I totally understand what you mean! I don't expect all of those or really even if just a couple were added it would be cool. Also thanks for sharing about the two monitors and how you think it can be helpful.
were u can buy raspi4 8gb 35$ no anywere i has try looking, ewery seller have minimum 50-60$ and need power, display cable, too, and case good. but all together cost what need can start use ower 100$ anywere.
@@mattivirta I did say 1GB of RAM for$35
Nice!
Thanks!
Good thoughts, Luke - I’m gonna make a video replying to ya!! Look out for a TechHeart reply!!
Common luke W
Would be good to have 1 extra USB 3.0 at the oposit side of a board so u can connect HDD to it and still looks good if u put it in a case. So ugly if u plug the HDD in the main USB connector and then lead back the cable into the case. Even with the USB bridge is ugly and then ur HDD is next to the CPU what i would like to avoide.
100 usd ? :D In my country they try to sell raspberry pi 4b 8gb model for like 300 usd. They have it on stock ofc cause nobody in the right mid want to buy it on that price. From 300 USD i go in any PC store who sell used PC and buy a 100x stronger one to drop it in a corner and use it as home server.
The features that a Pi5 would get depends on which direction the Pi Foundation wants to go.
If they keep pushing the Pi as they have been doing so far, a cheap SBC for educational purposes, then probably not much will change, except (hopefully) a raise of specifications across the board (pun not intended), for (hopefully) a lower price. And, of course, actual availability would be great.
If, however, they see that an improved Pi would do well as a light, cheap desktop machine then the Pi5 would need one thing above all: make sure it has the ability to play HD streaming video without any dropped frames. 1440p/4k would be good, but problem-free 1080p playback is the absolute minimum for success. As I understand it, the hardware of the current Pi4 should be able to do that already, but is held back by good open source drivers for the GPU not being available? Fix that, add a somewhat beefier CPU, maybe more/faster RAM (extensible with a slot maybe), and M.2 slot would be great (but really SSD over USB3 works fine on the Pi4). If they *really* want to push for the desktop market, a rearrangement of the ports (so that they're all on one side, have full-size HDMI) would be great. At some point, it would stop being cheap though, and other (x86) options will start to look more attractive.
Solid 1080p playback + bit beefier CPU would make me want to buy it for use as a light desktop PC.
Very nice thoughts, thanks for sharing!
I think they need to produce a Pi 5 "Pro" model with a bigger form factor and level of expandability. Keep a standard Pi 5 model too for everything else like now.
- it is now 2023 and not 2022 when this video was done, and we still suffer not to have a Rpi 5.
- When we will have a contemporary Rpi 5 which fits for our needs?
- We did not find the device yet, altough we studies many devices.
- Many UA-cam reviews do not mention the issues these SBC have, so we have to find it out by ourselves.
- It is not necessary to test all these devices.
- It is enough to go through different reviews to find out about issues.
- Issues with SBC are often that we do not know if Bluetooth keyboards and mice work, and what is a SBC without this option?
- Will the Rpi 5 solve this problem, and when?
- We need urgently two HDMIs, else we won't buy the device.
-We need a SBC as a a mobile device wit h 5 inch display and a second 10 inch display as a laptop.
- Then, we need the Raspberry Pi 5 as soon as possible.
- There are a lot of competitors to the Raspberry Pi 4 which offer much more contemporary hardware than the Raspberry Pi 4, and the software support is also catching up with these devices.
- Raspberry Pi where launched at a moderate price, but prices have been shot up due to shortage, and we have to bid for those on ebay to be able to buy a device.
- We will for these reasons change as soon as possible to another brand than Raspberry Pi.
- Raspberry Pi has a large community, but we don't need all the OS which are available for the Raspberry Pi.
- If we find a device which fits our requirements, we will choose another device than Raspberry Pi as soon as possible.
You are treating the raspberry pi like its a desktop computer...
I think that Raspberry pi's are now in the Intel NUC price range.
And that all new Raspberry's wont be sold for under 50 euro.
That means they are out of the game. Intel NUC en Thin Clients win.
But i hope that i'm wrong.
I like to see a fusion of a raspberry and a Arduino. We now have two separate devices. It's time to have one universal board. A basic board will work just like a common Arduino/ 1 m raspberry. Internal expansion (like ssd memory) will change the board into a versatile all purpose board.
The Raspi already has a pretty complete set of GPIOs. Ok, AD converters would be nice.
I think we are far away from a pi 5 and due to inflation, maybe even a modest price bump or maybe keep a1gb version at $35. I really think it's not a raspberry pi if it doesn't have a small and low cost version.
3:42 no it would cost more. its allready way too much than 35buck low power. its not anymore fun
I like your Gman voice
Ability to USB-C Dock. Full size HDMI, M.2
Wow, there is still a big demand for a Raspberry Pi5. Because the substitute alternative SBCs suck on DIY working examples. Such as the Orange Pi5 videos. They just show how to load OS and play some video games. Boring! The Raspberry Pi-SBC show GPIO PWM servo motor projects, I2C addons that work, etc. Other Pi-SBCs talk about it. While Raspberry Pi does it.
😎 Thanks.
raspberry pie in the sky video
I think you expect a little too much from the raspberry pi. The rpi foundation has a specific goal, to make a reasonably cheap SBC to learn things with good support. So many features just make it much more complicated. I expect it may be some time before we see a Pi 5. The Pi 4 is already fantastic, it is unfortunately not available and that needs to be fixed first and before that I don't expect a Pi 5. The mentioned features sounds great but unrealistic.
Yeah, I understand what you mean. Thanks for sharing your opinions and I agree that the Pi4 supply chain needs to be solved first.
Better check out the Orange Pi 5
I think we need a x86 raspberry pi, alongside an arm one though
That would be cool, but I don’t see that happening as the RPI Foundation has only ever made ARM devices and seems to be baked into that eco system.
I think you're totally missing the ball. My expectation for a Pi5:
- more memory, i.e. having a 16GB model
- maybe better SoC especially for h.265 and other codec support, still Broadcom though and not RockChip as I have yet to find one of the latter that remains stable under very high load (read: it's not all down to the software support, the chip itself - or perhaps the lowest HAL layers from the manufacturer - just seems less robust)
- all USB3 ports, but maybe all using USB-C connectors to make room for 2 full-sized HDMI - no change in overall form-factor (but obviously some change in where to find what port). As we can boot from USB, I doubt eMMC or M.2 will come.
- on-board RP2040 with extra GPIO header or having it control a bunch of the existing pins, making exact timing of protocols so much easier than on a non-realtime PI-OS. Let it control the powering of the main SoC and initial boot phases and perhaps a deep-sleep mode for Raspberry Pi could be made, opening options for battery-powered projects (needing the pi's power only on certain events when the RP2040 decides there's need for it ... AI?).
- external WIFI antenna connector (I doubt it, but I can hope)
In short: nothing revolutionary and hence I don't expect it any time soon, especially considering the chip-shortage and the outlook in the world with economic collapse in China and other global economy disturbances. Getting a flow of Pi4's again is likely the first target.
new raspi need more ram i have 8gb ram board, and lot lot better genuine cooling system in board, and HDD/SSD connection port or better M2 port. more speed can run good minecraft. more usb port, now all have full if use wired keyboard,mouse,SSD, and sim card internet hot spot. no have usb port free. and own better connection to UPS board need be. perfect have if can connect display card lot better can play games,flight simulator etc. cad/cam software, and need cheap less than 40$ cnc machine linux cnc expansion card. whit closed loop connection stepper motors 5 pcs out and encoders to in.and all limit switch and other relays.
VGA out and a Vilros keyboard/touchpad hub.
We jus t need more pi 4s, we are all waiting for Pi 4s, Pi 5 won't happen for years because of chip shortage, we need millions and millions of them, in the current climate it is all Pi in the sky for Pi5, happy dreaming
So you basically want a Raspberry Pi to stop being a cheap SBC for educational purposes? RK3588 dev boards costs more than the minimum wage in my country. Think about that.
1st
I disagree, the small form factor is important.
- Replace USB3 with Thunderbolt ports.
- Go PD for USB-C power
- 2nd HDMI can be omitted and gained back through Thunderbolt
- Thunderbolt will also allow a 2nd GigE port
- PCIx 4x
Reducing those bottlenecks will improve the experience without growing the board
And a RTX 4090 too
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