ELLAND ROAD EXPANSION EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2022
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There have been a lot of questions in the comments on this video and I can't get to all of them individually so I will endeavor to answer them all in this pinned comment:
To the people who are saying that Leeds United won't fill a 55k capacity stadium I urge you to go and listen to the Square Ball's interview with Angus Kinnear, from the horse's mouth, he has said how many people apply for every game and it is easily enough to fill a 55k stadium.
To the people who say they want to relocate Elland Road, firstly, I am just the messenger spreading the word of what is actually planned to happen, this video's information is directly from the CEO of Leeds United so the redevelopment IS HAPPENING (provided we keep our Premier League status). Secondly, I don't think you'd find many Leeds fans that would be happy with moving the stadium anyway, the ground is so historic and the atmosphere is incredible, the point of keeping it the same is to preserve that atmosphere and not become sanitized like a lot of the rest of the Premier League, when you look at all the best atmospheres in the prem they're at historic old grounds like Villa Park and St James' park.
To the people who are surprised with how long it's going to take, there are a number of factors that play into this, the planning process itself takes a year to a year and a half when you consider that the club has to get planning permission from the council, have the whole thing actually designed by architects and then there is also the plumbing, wiring, and HVAC which requires a full design layout before the build is started. Secondly, the club has to be cautious about when they pull the trigger on the build because our Premier League status isn't exactly guaranteed at the moment and the funding needed for a build like this requires Premier League money. There are also people saying that when they built stands back in the 70s etc that it took them no time at all, well that's why they're having to be redeveloped now, they were thrown up in the cheapest quickest way possible so they haven't stood the test of time. The final point on this one is that the club needs to maintain the capacity we have now, whilst the stand(s) are being redeveloped, to ensure enough money is being made on matchday. This means that the build, (like I mentioned in the video ) will be phased over the course of a season.
To the people who are saying why don't we spend this money on the players, the idea of expanding the ground is so that eventually (probably wouldn't even take that long) it would pay for itself and the profit then made from it would be able to be invested in players. If we go from making £1m on matchday for home games to around £2m, instead of making £19m per season from ticket sales, we would be making £38m and that extra money, as we've seen already, could buy you a Marc Roca and a Rasmus Kristensen!
Well put i think most of us Leeds fans share the same thoughts.
@@carlharris2808 Cheers Carl!
Surprised people are saying we wouldn't fill a 55k stadium.
It is also important to note that increasing revenue increase the limits imposed by the so called Fair Play Rules so we can afford better and more expensive players.
You would fill it for big games in premier your highest attendance was v Sunderland in the 60s 57000 fa cup tie there was a lot of safc fans there as well our highest attendance was 75 118
As a Spurs fan I'm biased but a new stadium has a fantastic uplift in fans experience (surely what it's all about) as well as revenue for the club. If done properly it's a win win. We've kept the full intense fan atmosphere with the single stand and wrap around corners, and proximity to pitch (something our near neighbours are now regretting in their design of the new library). Honestly, good luck with any development.
There’s not really scope for us to build a new ground money and space being the 2 issues. Most fans wouldn’t want a move away from Elland road.
I really think we should build a completely new stand. This would go behind the current west stand. We continue to use the current stand whilst the new one is being built...We change a road or two but then we are having something completely new and not just trying to turn what we have into some new 'monster'! Eventually it will have to happen so why waste money now on a halfway house sort of thing!
Build a complete new stadium next to Elland rd
I would like to see 60 000 our fans deserve to have elland road will always be full the noise it's amazing hope Ibe around to take my son to see it he's mad leeds fan we live in Donny there's more leeds fans in Donny den Donny rovers fans as been since the 60s and 70s wen I grow up in school great times
Very good explanation. Expansion really needed, Leeds is the team of the future!
It would look amazing. Its what your fans deserve
Nice one mate!
Fellow Celtic fan but like Leeds Utd always thought of them as a massive club, their ground is old school aswell which I prefer compared to the sanitised bowls built now.
Very true it will be sad to see the Kop and West Stand go but they are getting left behind by lesser clubs and they need to progress, and I might be able to get match day tickets in the near future and hopefully taste the same atmosphere like the old Elland Road
The south stand could be expanded/rebuilt over the road, just like the Trinity Road stand at Villa Park.
In truth, a brand new stadium is far more desirable, purpose-built just off the motorway, bigger and better.
I would have thought the simplest solution would be to turn the pitch 90 degrees.
The stand on the road could then be expanded significantly ; build the two side stands then later on build the fourth stand.
There may need to be some adjustments to the huge stand but I'm sure that's feasible.
Just an idea
thats interesting tbf only problem would revenue for at least a season probably more would be lost
If they are going through the trouble of building I hope they make it an attractive looking expansion while still keeping the feel of Elland Road. You only get to renovate maybe once a decade so why not make it beautiful.
Still think it would make more sense to build a new west stand behind the existing one on the car park then rotate the pitch to give room alongside Elland road, but they must have decided there were problems with that plan?
If they are planning to dig in the summer of 2024 I assume the designs are almost finalised to go for planning. It would be interesting to see how it looks and if they go for an Anfield style redevelopment of something similar to Old Trafford.
Is it possible Elland road itself could be curved around the stadium if they vested some of the land on the other side, it's mainly car parks.
It’s crazy how much money they are losing with such a small stadium.
Yeah there's so many fans that miss out on tickets for every game!
I remember just after the east stand was developed watching derby the same day the Billy Brenner statue was unveiled and his ashes scattered behind the Goals it felt like we were on too of the world we have fallen behind in recent years we really have some catching up to do I hope this goes through.
We aren’t even filling up the stadium now
They need to get the cash invested in the stands to compete in the Premier league. Bigger stands more fans at the games. Merchandise in the shop will boost sales and food and drink. Its crazy not to invest now. The sooner its started the sooner it can be finished for us fans.
@@carti9938 that's because of greedy season ticket holders who don't turn up to games spoiling it for fans who would attend. 🤔
Brilliant Max. One of the things the 49ers are concerned about is keeping the special atmosphere of a 'bear pit' rather than a sanitised version of what Roy Keane disdainfully said of Old Trafford 'the prawn sandwich brigade'. Probably out of Angus Kinnear's remit but I would be interested in how developers intend to magnify the Elland Road sound rather than dissipate it in the ether. Just a thought.
I think there are talks on whether they should , instead of having separate stands, have bowl shaped corners connecting the stands, that would provide more capacity and help with the atmosphere, only issue is it costs a lot more money!
Many years ago I spent time with Reading FC on the Madejski Stadium back in 1997/98. They had installed an acoustic system which plays back the sound of the crowd almost instantaneously thereby magnifying the sound. The technology has to have improved since then. Imagine Elland Road with such a system.
Every bloody stadium is bowl shaped now they look so soulless I prefer the traditional square shaped stadiums.
I've just seen a video of what they want to do to Chelsea - my God that thing is ridiculous
When i first went to elland road i use to go in lowfields stand and at that time the area between kop and lowfields was just rough ground and one of my friends had a key that fitted the kop gate so we use to dash across and get into the kop a steward once grabbed me and went for my mate as well but i went under his legs ( i was 13) and of course the famous scratching shed stand i.e 1969 at this time.
That's a great story, and is one of the many, many reasons why Elland Road should be expanded/modernised instead of relocated entirely!
What I'd do for now as a temporary measure is to remove the boxes in the South Stand and put 2,000 extra seats in like it used to be, the corner between the South Stand and West Stand should've been filled years ago like the cheese wedge.
They used half of the South Stand upper tier for the executive boxes at a cost of 1,500 seats. Even an extra 1,500 seats would be better than no increase for at least the next three seasons.
Development definitely needed. West Ham had 64k for their game yesterday. As long as we manage the costs the income from future home games should wipe any debt out .
@@johnreid9967 - thanks for pointing out mis-typing. Should have typed 54k. Fat sausage fingers don’t help.
@@johnreid9967 - likewise and I hope Tranmere have a good season
Remember when Peter Lies-dale tried to relocate Leeds United to the site of an old sewage works? Ridsdale said the move was necessary because there wasn’t enough space on Elland Road site. 😆🤣😆🤣
He even organised a poll which was clearly fixed. 97% of fans apparently wanted to move away from Elland Road.
Yeah that was at nostrop a nightmare to get to unless you're from Halton moor or oulton
Intriguing video max- I can’t wait to see what Elland Road will be like when it’s finished
Cheers Ryan, me too!
Hope the Expansion includes a decent Safe Standing Section.
If you have any stand with 2 tiers (one above the other with corporate boxes between them ) the atmosphere will be gone straight away . This may be ok for the west stand replacement but the Gelderd end ( Revie Stand ,Kop or north stand to tourists ) should be done as one big stand like the one behind the goal at the new Spurs grounds .
Yes yes yes! 100%
Turn it around they could like they did at Wembley they could build a 60 thousand capacity stadium no problems in a big city like Leeds with the fan base it would be a win win I’m surprised no billionaire has bought Leeds like the Man City lot it’s a massive city they could build a proper team and stadium to compete at the top level for years to come 💯👍🏻
Need a brand new stadium. Sad to leave Elland road. But need to look to the future. 🤍💙💛
It will be at least 10yrs before the stadium is finished. The club also has to fund a new training complex although they have an agreement in place to extend the lease on Thorp arch and they will need to keep investing in the squad to keep the club in the Premier league. Leeds will find it difficult to fund everything that is needed without some serious financial backing.
Leeds like Forest have been ravaged by unscrupulous owners for decades good to see both clubs coming good. Both clubs are in need of new grounds.
Forest are going down and Leeds could be too
The metropolitan area of Leeds has a population of more than a million, with a decent team Utd could easily fill a 50k stadium every home game so they should just get on and do the expansion.
Could fill 50k now if There were seats for it. "decent team". You mean staying in the prem? Well There is No other option
Looks like they will start redevelopment in 2 year's time which would be good Hopefully they invest in the team with quality they have a good accadamy.Leeds need to be in the Top flight to develop the stadium 🏟️. If the 49ers take total control it will happen. Starting on the West stand first would be the best idea that looks as though they will do that . 37,792 capacity is too small for Leeds. Elland Road 🏟️ has a unique atmosphere the 49ers want to keep that Will be interesting to see what happens Max .It would be good to get the capacity up to 55,000 .As long as things work out with the team it will happen fingers crossed 🤞 marching on together 🦚🇮🇨
Brilliant.
Sooner this is done the better if we stay up and no doubt we will it should start the redevelopment of Elland Road end of this season or what about a new stadium what happened to all drawings etc for the last time talk of a complete new stadium obviously in the last era we were in the premier League I'm sure it was going to be Pontefract lane Area towards swillington going past the car Auctions.
A motorway services has been built where that was going to be.
Hopefully you'll have one of the best stadiums in the championship!!
The KOP need's to be one big single tier stand like our Twin city Dortmund and the West Stand needs to be bigger 55,000 to 60,000 capacity we need to get back to the TOP FLIGHT and stay there 49ers will invest heavily seem to be in good hands 👐 All Leeds aren't we marching on together 🦚🇮🇨👊✊🤍💛💙
Max, corner bowls. Perhaps when 49ers takeover from Radz...... They built the Levi stadium BUT that has been criticised for its corporate business like atmosphere. Maybe, hopefully they've learnt from that experience. 👍
To be fair, American Stadiums don't have a great atmosphere to start with, and I'm pretty sure they demolished the original and moved the stadium which usually results in a worse atmosphere.
Another thing to consider is the return of standing, which I think will happen in the kop and south stand. That could push capacity of any redeveloped stadium closer to 60k (depending on rules) and yes, we will fill that.
We'll only fill it if we are doing well our fans soon drift off when not successful, been at Elland Road for a League game with just over 8,000 there.
@@mick6370 Yeah, I know. I've been there when the top tier of the East stand was almost totally empty. (Not 8,000 attendance, but still).
But when we were in League 1 we accounted for half the attendance for the whole bloody league when we were at home normally.
We've just got to have some faith that we're a proper run club now and won't plumb those depths anytime soon. Having a full, expanded ER will give us the revenue to help us avoid that ever happening again.
building over and above the road behind the south stand and creating a bridge under the new stand is something they thought about in the 70s it was rejected because of the cost
I hope they take knee space into consideration, hardly any room at all, if you are over 6 foot then the leg space between your seat and the one in front is nothing, I visited ELLAND ROAD for a rugby league semi-final this year and at the end of the game I had bruised knees, and i was sick and tired of having get up and down like a bloody jack- in a box for people going to the toilet or to get refreshments and all this for £45 quid, what a rip off, if ELLAND ROAD is to be upgraded then completely knock it down or move to a new sight and start from scratch, why throw good money after bad.
Don't get me wrong I've supported LEEDS since the 70's but if they want to be a top class premier team, then they should have a top class stadium to go with it.
Good luck for this season !
I agree with this. Almost every upgrade in the past has been a drastic mistake. The east stand lower tier seats are on the old lowfields terrace. I mean it beggars belief how such a thing cud be allowed to happen let alone do it. The whole ground should be knocked down & a new one built & properly.
It’s in the building regs now that each row has more space. To fit 17000 seats like the original East Stand (before the Delph suite), the West stand would need a bigger footprint, which I suspect is the reason that they changed the training ground plans in the car park.
Could they not just build a stadium from scratch on the land which was the old training ground back when I started supporting Leeds in the 1980’s? It would mean Leeds could stay at Elland Road and would also solve other redevelopment issues, for example - Is there even enough space to improve South Stand? Looks pretty tight to me but maybe an architect would think differently?
Replied a bit late🤣but most fans don’t want a new stadium, they say it will ruin the atmosphere
@@Bestofeverything665 To be fair, the Elland Road atmosphere has been pretty poor for a while and I’m not sure why? (Been a season ticket holder for about 30 years so notice these things.)
@@MrCol104 Was thinking the same, other people would also agree, atmosphere was way better last season, hopefully we can pick it back up again
Why was elland road so small in the first place?
The could build over the road and incorporate bars etc under the stadium
To hear Angus outline the proposed redevelopment, listen to the recent interview on The Square Ball podcast.
It should not be about investing money that will come back it's about the fans getting tickets for games. More tickets sold the more money generated into the club also more sales in the shop and sales of food and drinks. As it is now the club sells its best players each year to generate money. The ground is a dinosaur left behind while other clubs have always invest in there grounds and able to keep there players and pay better wages for better players.
I don’t think banning cash is the answer
If we’re losing four million a game on Spurs then 25 matches and it pays for itself if it’s 100m.
Somebody has listened to the square ball interview
You know absolutely nothing about me Chris. If you don't like my video, don't watch it. Simple as that. I can assure you that Phil Hay knows a lot more than you do about the current news on Leeds United. In this video I also only stated FACTS that have come from the CEO's mouth, so I don't know why you're having a go at me in every other comment, it's a bit sad really.
5 years😱
What I would like to see happen is for them to build a brand new stand behind the West Stand on the old Fullerton Park. There would be no impact on the attendance because it would be slightly away from the ground. Then move the North Stand slightly north with again no impact on match day attendance. Then when those two are complete pull down both the West and North Stands and swing the pitch 90 deg. so the West stand would be behind the goal. While rotating the pitch I would also move it slightly north. This would then allow the South Stand to be developed by moving it slightly north and giving greater space between the pitch and Elland Road itself. I would also employ sound engineers to both keep the existing noise and to drowned out any noise from visiting supporters.
I would also like them to build a series of columns leading to the ground with the pictures and names of all our great ex-players and call it 'The Avenue of Heroes.'
For the suspicious moving the South Stand slightly north would move it over the spot on the pitch that the gypsy cursed and Don Revie tried to have exorcised.
@@chrisbaldwin3609 So Don Revie getting an exorcist in to get the curse lifted was what? and as I said in my comment 'for those of a suspicious frame of mind'. or did you start typing before you read that?
@@chrisbaldwin3609 We won the 1st division under Wilko Chris, or had you forgotten?
@@chrisbaldwin3609 Well I was there in the stands, so it matters to me. Most clubs really have won nowt. We're not one of them. And we'll win again. Onwards and upwards.
should build a new purpose built ground and complex on another site nearby
5 yrs to build west stand you're joking, in 92' summer demolished lowfields & constructed East stand which opened 2 months into new season. Raised some funding by fans buying bonds!!
The Lowfields standing terrace at the front, was left untouched for the entire 92/93 season and was in use all through the building work.The first time the new seats were partially used was at the end of January 1993.They were allocated exclusively to the away fans,starting with Middlesbrough,until the end of the season.
What's the point of increasing the capacity of around ten or fifteen thousand at a cost of millions....they missed the opportunity during Covid to build a 70 or 80 thousand seater
brand new stadium just like Tottenham there is enough room behind the kop to start building half a stadium befor having to demolish the old one ............
Didn’t know u could stack shit that high
How is it going to take that long to build 1 stand
Because it has to go through a series of planning stages and pass certain standards . It then has to be constructed, but the steel and concrete parts have to be designed and made first. But they can't begin manufacturing the parts until the design plans are passed. That's why it takes so long. At the moment I don't think the club have even drawn up a rough plan of what they plan to do. I think it will probably be the end of this current season before any architect plan is agreed by the club. Then the planning process can officially begin. Then eventually building will hopefully start in the Summer of 2024. The construction will probably take 2 years to complete. The new upper tier built behind the existing West Stand first. When complete the fans will be transferred into the new Upper tier, while the old West Stand is demolished and a new Lower tier is built and connected up.
The main question is, do they do the Kop at the same time as well?
Simple, its about time those League dimwits brought back standing behind the goals, everyone in those areas Stand the whole games anyway !!!
Or simply divert traffic around the stadium using lowfield
The £100m would pay for itself in a few seasons providing Leeds remain in the premier
Just build a new stadium!
The way things are going there won't be the crowds to fill ER if we go down and ticket prices rise the fans will lose interest as we will no longer be the powerhouse we once were our best players will leave or be cherry picked and we will end up playing the likes of Dull Shitty 😴😴😴
This is complete bollocks. A whole stadium could be built in 2 years for 100M
Where? You can build a stadium in 2 years in Beijing for a billion or in 5 years for 100m in Laos. Take your pick.
Leeds are so far behind other clubs. This should have been done years ago.
Didn't have the £100m required to spend on just extending West stand, simple as that
Here’s my plan…..1…demolish the whole stadium. 2….erm…leave it that way!
Eh, looks at our average attendances. Smaller ground required fck the glory lot
Over 55 thousand people apply for a ticket every game in the Premier league, as long as we stay in the league that will continue
@@chrisbaldwin3609 But it's not absolute bollocks fella. You can just google and find the stats if you want to. Revie this Revie that. There's more fans now than there were back then doesn't matter how successful the club, our fans aren't glory hunters. Like Eddie Gray said, Leeds fanbase right now is the best it has ever been.
@@chrisbaldwin3609 You heard of Google fella.. ? 🥔
Shef u losing 😂
Why not build it somewhere else it would be cheaper
I don't think you'd find many Leeds fans that would be happy with that, the ground is so historic and the atmosphere is incredible, the point of keeping it the same is to preserve that atmosphere and not become santized like a lot of the rest of the Premier League, when you look at all the best atmospheres in the prem they're at historic old grounds like Villa Park and St James' park.
How can a new stadium be cheaper than one stand.. ?
@@LeedsLately yeah like all the other graveyards
Waste of time, what’s the point when relegation comes, will probably need to reduce the capacity. MCFC Loyal since 1973
Build a new stadium, Elland road is a dump much better sites these days,
I don't think you'd find many Leeds fans that would be happy with that, the ground is so historic and the atmosphere is incredible, the point of keeping it the same is to preserve that atmosphere and not become santized like a lot of the rest of the Premier League, when you look at all the best atmospheres in the prem they're at historic old grounds like Villa Park and St James' park.
Why not build a new one,even the best stand is total crap can’t even get a pint at half time in the east stand upper because they sell out,I would be happy with a new stadium,as for this £100 million rubbish just look what it’s cost Liverpool for a new main stand and the current expansion.
its our dump tho pal youd never understand
Leeds Utd. Highest gate was 57000 v Sunderland in the 60.s fa cup tie that included thousands of safc fans
@@jimmystokoe6917
Leeds fanbase how grown a lot since then
Your problem at Leeds is that the seats face the pitch
Always been a shit ground
Paul Mufc
Ultimately I hope we build not only the west stand but also north & south stand upper tiers then the 4 corners too so that it would be all the same level Elland road would then have the capacity of up to and beyond 100,000 and we would sell out every game guaranteed I hope they do this rather than demolish Elland Road and build a new ‘modern’ stadium that has no atmosphere or history unlike most big Premier League clubs.
ALAW, MOT
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@@chrisbaldwin3609 how come it’s struggle to get a ticket? We sell out every week currently if we improve as time goes on and climb the table eventually getting into Europe well easily get fantastic attendance.
@@chrisbaldwin3609 hopefully if can just solidify our premier league status and then gradually try and improve each season I’ll be happy with that just hope we get a big investment from either the SF49’rs or some other investment decent group it’ll be a step forwards, right now we’re still lacking in signings and I hope we do more business we don’t want another season like last year where the board gambled with our Premier league status 🙄