I appreciate that in your review you put a lot of focus on the narrative of the trailer. I know virtually all other reviewers comment mostly on the aethetics and the lore… and *rightfully* so. But yours is the first I’ve seen where you literally try to piece together the narrative based on the spoken lines and it gave an interestingly different take. Since you are an author I think your approach makes total sense. Aside from all the lore and visual talk, I noticed myself the lines mentioned in the teaser didn’t truly flow or give us a basic “grounding” on the context of the show. It’s a bit aggravating at this point. Nothing but a bunch of randomness coming from Amazon since day ONE of releasing the first teaser.
Yeah I don’t think they had much thoughts beyond “show ppl cool stuff and pretty shots and they’ll want to watch”. This is projecting. Just because the people that put this together don’t care about the narrative flow doesn’t mean we don’t. Just because you can be wowed into interest by pretty colors on a screen does not mean that works for everyone.
They probably don't know what the story is yet. Like with Rise of Skywalker how the story was in flux until basically 2 weeks before it released. This is just how classics are made. 😂
Imo, That is why they are using Lord of the Rings in the title, to garner attention and make money, to fool fans into thinking this is Tolkien. I dont think they even have a story other than they will likely focus the show on Sauron manipulating Celebrimbor into forging the rings of power, eventually. And his influence on Numenor. Why they need to compress thousands of years together or have characters doing things they never did or being in places they never were or completely changing existing characters personalities like Galadriel and Elrond and adding new, unnecessary characters like the harfoots and meteor man etc...no clue It kind of feels like that show Lost. Where the producers may have started out with a good idea but didn't really know what to do with it or where to take it, so it just became one big shock moment after another, the " and then this happened" trope. They literally became lost on how to tell the story.... This is sadly how this show will be presented, based on what I've read, heard and seen. "Oooohhh, look at that" "and then this happened". They will use the excuse of "subverting expections" to explain away having no talent and not really caring about the crappy work or effort they put into producing this steaming pile.
The two trees lit Valinor before Morgoth had Ungoliant kill them and also stole the Silmarils, which were constructed with the light of the trees. The Sun and Moon were created from the last fruits of the trees. The Noldoran Elves then declared war on Morgoth to recover the Silmarils and followed him to Beleriand in Middle-Earth. That is at least from Tolkien. This started the First Age of Middle Earth, but the story is supposed to set in the Second Age, so a few thousand years have passed since then and the world is not exactly young.
yea, it might technically be before the first „sunrise“, but thats only because they had a glowing tree before instead of a sun. „young“ would be the elves waking up and following the light to valinor.
@@mayhemivory5730 The light of the trees was only in Valinor. The rest of the world only had the stars for light at the time, somehow. The Silmarilion is creation myth taken as history, since many Elves like Galadriel were alive in the mythological times.
Exactly. Plenty of cities before the sun rose... But that was well before this show... And it will still confuse the heck out of normies. Most people haven't read the simirilian.
Reminds me the old times when Angry Joe was Angry. Now he seems more like Happy Joe and even has sometimes that laughing screaming generic soy look, idk :/
It (the rage) reminds me of Monty Python's Flying Circus when the customer was raging at the attendant that his parrot that was sold to him was in fact dead while the store owner continued to insist he was "pining for the fields" 🤣
The thing in this trailer that makes me absolutely sick! "the past is dead, we can either die with it or move to the future." There is nothing more absolute anathema to Tolkien and his works than the idea of the past being dead! From his lore, to his writing, to heck Frodo's very last instruction to Sam to "keep alive the memory of the age that is gone! I've gone beyond rage, at this pointt, Wheel of time made me feel rage, Starwars! made me feel rage. With lord of the rings, something which has been the most personally special to me, I just feel sad and a sense of horror. it really is simply watching the world you love burn before your very eyes, while jeff Bezos plays along on the fiddle and all his little brainwashed puppets dance to his tune amidst the flames
I agree. They know what they're doing too... it's in the trailer deliberately to slap it in your face. You recognise that truth, so prepare to be punished.
@@rockheimr This is exactly why I intend not! to watch this series. I'm not even going to bother seeing how bad it gets. Wheel of time was the last straw for both myself and my lady. I'm not supporting amazon either with my views, or my money, and I don't intend to support any of the other services which puts out this sort of crap. if I want entertainment, I'd rather read anyway, and there are plenty of extremely good books I haven't read, books without toxic feminism, misandry or destructive post modern nihilism. It's really quite easy to forget about the modern crap when you're immersed in something truly great, case in point, tonight my lady and I rewatched starwars a new hope, and I didn't think of Disney star wars once! Same goes with Tolkien, his work is timeless, and transcends any of this vandalism. As Frodo himself said in one of my favourite scenes of the books,, upon seeing the ray of sunlight strike the ruined statue at the crossroads of kirith ungol: "they cannot conquer forever!"
@@nk_3332 "the past is dead", is more related to Don Cupid's post modernist philosophy than any sort of Marxism. Marx himself was actually a big fan of educating people, especially in the field of history, since part of his critique of the capitalist system was the way it kept those at the bottom stupid. This "let the past die", or "the past is dead", comment actually relates far more to mid to late 20th century post modernism, based on Don cupid, Thomas Szasz and others. this ideology involves reframing all moral questions specifically in terms of individualised power relations. There are no morals, no history, no objective facts, just those created by "the patriarchy", or "the able boddied order", or whatever other group in power the specific post modernist is criticising. Think of the Amber Herd syndrome where it is not about "the! truth", but "their! truth." I am a socialist myself (very much a libertarian socialist), when it comes to control of the means of production and the responsibilities of governments to check corporate power, and again, feel free to disagree with me on this issue. However, the modern woke agenda is less about comunism (especially with how its used by major corporations to avoid criticism), than it is about the ultimate denial of any moral authority outside not just the subjective, but the individual, which, rather ironically, creates very much a mob of clones all following the same idiology, even while proclaiming their own personal specialness and lack of care for anyone else. Btw, sorry if this was a longer response than you wanted, discussions of idiology to someone with a phd in philosophy are sort of like red rag to a bull :D.
Anytime I hear characters in the show say the past is dead all i hear is "stop comparing us to the vastly superior thing that came before us that made us even being here possible"
Galadriel refuse to fight Morgoth in the first age, because she perceive the fight as hopeless, due to his immense power. This is explicitly stated in The Silmarillions. Galadriel lives the entire First Age in peaceful isolation. Elrond, is born by the end of the First Age, where the fight is going on and is captured and held captive by the cousins of Galadriel as a child. Maglor, one of Galadriel's cousin feel guilty and ends up raising Elrond and Elros as his own sons. Elrond and Elros then becomes known warriors, they take part in the fights of Maglos, until the sons of Feanor, Galadriel's cousins, start acting on their own once again. Elrond is on Belleriand when the War of Wrath happen. He is on the fucking continent that get utterly destroyed in that very war and end up almost entirely sunken beneath the seas, because of that war. Galadriel is in peaceful isolation in Middle Earth. Galadriel has seen shit and Elrond did not... Oh god, they are going to switch up their stories aren't they? I am in agony, Arda, the world of Tolkien means soooo much to me.
Galadriel did saw the first kinslaying ever in the sacret land of valinor, and she did went heracrexes and saw the destruction of the many battles with Morgoth .... even though she was "safe" in Thingol's kingdom. But yeah, she was not around anymore for the great big battle and Elrond was. So I wonder how they will match their dynamics, both have seen A LOT.
@@aesir1ases64 Who was around when the Second Kinslaying happened? Elrond. There is nothing specified about Galadriel seeing any of the major battles. She would se the aftermath, but not the events. To be fair, she is about 720 years older than Elrond, about 500 of which are years of the trees, which lasted around 3 times longer. Still, Galadriel's motivation is to stop Feanor and his sons for much of the First Age. In the Second Age, her role is in great part that of a raising elven lord (lady/queen) and to be the first to misstrust and warn about Annator. She does not take drastic actions to deal with Sauron, not before the others do. She just warns that the guy is shaddy amd that they should be warry, which leads to the Elves establishing counter measures and thus not being caught off guard, by the One Ring. Just leave the epic warrior stuff where it belongs, with Gil Galad, Elrond and the Numenoreans. Oh, wait I realised, we get a Galadriel that has seen shit, when we still have Gil Galad around... That is going to be hard to explain... You know, a guy that actually fought every single wars against Morgoth and was almost always a major figure, a living legend. An Elf, older than Galadriel, who is the High King.
@@thespyingeyeofmordor No, but the very target of the Second Kinslaying was his mother and the sack of Sirion, is the direct aftermath of it, it could even be argued as part of it. This is when Elrond and Elros were captured, by the sons of Feanor. Considering they followed Elwing, his mother from Doriath to Sirion and then proceded to sack Sirion, I would personnaly consider it an extension of the Second Kinslaying.
Wasn't Galadriel already one of the most powerful beings in middle earth? Like, she completely owned every scene she was in Lord of the rings, Amazon actually made her look weaker
She was at the time of Lord of The Rings, but not in the second age. But you are right they have made her look very weak. Saying that, there was alot of beings many more powerful than her still around. Melian, Thingol.. basically all of the Older Elves.. but they DO actually de-power her here, they all look very weak. Elves are supposed to be basicallyy lesser Angels. Here they pretty much look like human kings/queens
@@KNIGHTSWATCH Honestly, true Feminism never originally had this nonsense attitude you see at times these days. Just look at the most actually equilateral nations out there. Finland, first country in the world to give women, not just rights to vote (first in Europe for that), but representation in parliament. Today - the men in Finland may even have change to spend more time with their pre-school aged kids than the mothers would. It's a bit of a choice really - but they have some what similar leave from work after a child is born as women do. Which is a lot more than in many other countries. And how one uses it or when is rather free of choice, until the child is of certain age. But the point is that - it is simply result of trying to give fathers as well time with the child. To be honestly equal about it - a thing actually driven and supported by the Feminists. Then again, it also is a country where the woman you go out on a date with will literally insist on paying her own half of the diner, because she thinks it's more fair that way and does wish to represent the fact that she is standing on her own feet. I could make more examples. I am a woman by the way. I am a Finn, so obviously bit bias. But there is the right and original way of Feminism - and this bullshit twisted crap. It never was to start with an attempt to make one or another gender either 'better' than the other or more powerful. It just requires the willingness and effort to come half way down to meet at the middle. And that means - sorry to say - but no, women don't need to be treated like they were princess any more than a man needs to brag about how manly a man he is to be a man. Frankly the latter generally gives the absolute opposite image about it, making most women smirk at the whole foolishness. I guess - i just wanted to say, that I don't like the way these new twists make Feminism - the real Feminism, look like nothing but toxic bitch-ism. And I am both a woman, and enough of a old time Feminist - the kind to actually know what equality was supposed to mean - to say so. It never was about claiming that women are somehow better or superior to men. We are neither - not weaker nor better. And I did use the word 'weaker' in other sense that the physical one. Feminism was about having equal rights, period. Not even about gaining equal out come, period. And there for, true Feminism would also have to stand for equal rights of men along the side of women, where they may not have that change - say with gaining access to children in case of divorce or indeed having that time with the newborn or very young kids. The point is, that you can not have equality, if you are not willing to then also accept the equal responsibilities - like paying your own share of that diner when on a date. No, nothing wrong about treating your spouse or love interest with something special - but that should not be the expected norm of always. So, for your information - only the other day, I took my husband out for a dinner, paid by ME, the wife - simply because I thought that he both earned it for being nice and because I too should have that consideration, not just him. He is not from my native country, so I think the way I do things based on my culture - rather surprised him in this senses. The same as seeing a lady working at the road construction site, in the night sift, just along with the dudes did - when he first visited my country. As for the way someone sits. Who the fuck cares - just lol. I have to admit that I do sit more like dudes generally do, because it's just more relaxed a position, and I was very much my father's daughter - meaning that I got to the habit for copying his mannerisms as a kid - lol. Pretty much the only reason to sit with your legs as though tied to together is weather you are wearing a short and tight skirt or in case of having to make space for everyone to sit comfortably in a tight space. But hell no - a sitting position is by no means any short of political statement and a person who insists on claiming so - is but making herself plain out ridiculous. So yea - I'll be putting that leg on top of the other the side ways, with my ankle on the tight, as dudes do as well, mostly because it's actually comfortable to lean on the sideways positioned leg with your arms and rest your head over your palms. Well and also, because it is nice to take the weight of from one foot or the other now and then. On one hand, the truth is that - in case you were being told - as a kid that girls don't sit in this way or that - then that part was pure bullshit. But to demand people to sit in way or another because they are not supposed to do it to not be somehow 'evil male' - well that is equally huge a load of dung. It is what I would call in loose translation 'fucking the commas' (those 'half points' within sentences, you know commas) - an actual old way to say something about getting too small about a thing or another, splitting hairs or trying to be too literal. My meaning being - that 'it's what men do, there for bad' - kind of an attitude. In that case, it also is bad that women breast feed a child. Which by the way is utterly natural and normal, never mind where they are at - not something anyone should have any business even having opinions about - because doing so literally shows that they them selves were wee bit perverted to even stare about it for too long. Sometimes I swear the world elsewhere with all these awkwardly bizarre notions about how people should or should not behave has just gone utterly out of it's mind.
"You have not seen what I have seen". Telling this to elrond is such a slap in the face, the dude survived the third kinslaying when he was a child and saw most people he knew be killed by the sons of feanor, he was raised by maglor and maedhros who were the very same perpetrators of this kinslaying. He is fostered by the sons of feanors as a warrior and most probably fought alongside them. He fights in the War of wrath he then sees or hears of his adoptive fathers, who he and his brother had grown very fond of, either commit suicide or go mad with grief trying to fulfill an impossible oath. He then lives to see his brother die of old age. Meanwhile Galadriel on the First age participated in no major battle and chose to sit on the sidelines because she dint believe that the eldar had the power to defeat morgoth. Granted she did survive the crossing of helcaraxe and saw the trees of valinor die, i dont remember how close she was during the 1st kinslaying but it is mentioned that she never took part on the kinslaying and that is why she is granted permission to go back to valinor at the end of the 1st age. If i were to weight who has seen the "most" i would say elrond and by far, despite being the younger of the two.
Galadriel's hair is suposed to have captured the light of the 2 trees. This is shown in Peter Jackson's work by cleaver lighting. This new girl needs the services of a shampoo advert stylist and competent cinematography at the very least.
In a Tolkien context Legolas is fine - the magic of Elves ... I love the scene where Legolas is on top of the snow while the others are walking "in" the snow. Perfect. “Legolas watched them for a while with a smile upon his lips, and then he turned to the others. 'The strongest must seek a way, say you? But I say: let a ploughman plough, but choose an otter for swimming, and for running light over grass and leaf, or over snow--an Elf. '... "Member berries" One thing I don't get is the Asian Indian subcontinent flare in the costuming... I found that styling odd in WoT and here too.
Yesss. Also, the elves are described as not needing any particular protection against the elements, and through the snow they trudge, but Legolas doesnt dent the snow, he skims it, and only wears a light elven cloak. Love it
Yeah plus Legolas also shows a bit of this elven extrasensory perception: "'To the end of the journey - in the end,' said Gandalf. 'We cannot look too far ahead. Let us be glad that the first stage is safely over. I think we will rest here, not only today but tonight as well. There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there.' 'That is true,' said Legolas. 'But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them: Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago.'" Tolkien also separately described Legolas: "There was nothing filmy or transparent about the heroic or majestic Eldar of the Third Age of Middle-earth. Long afterwards my father would write, in a wrathful comment on a ‘pretty’ or 'ladylike’ pictorial rendering of Legolas: ’He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgul, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship.’"
I remember from making of materials of Jacksons LOTR that actor playing King Theoden was dressing up in his costume for the first time. And he noticed that his armour has a hand embroidered underlay of Rohan sygils. And he sad: " Now I feel like a king". That's the level of effort that the team making LOTR movies put to making everything look and feel great.
The funny part is that forgetting the past is precisely how you die with it. You have to acknowledge the past first to learn from it, and then you can surpass your predecessors from whatever lessons you gained from studying it. TL;DR those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
You are based, good sir. This is just one pillar of their agenda in weakening, dividing, and conquering all of us. And I mean ALL of us, not just one subdivision of humanity.
Amen to that! We really don't want a repetition of WW2 and the 3rd Reich, so never forget the past, teach it to the young so that past atrocities will be remembered, not repeated!
@@brozy5720 Even on a smaller scale, it makes sense. Imagine if you spent hours working on solving a math problem and showed all of your steps. You then find out that the answer you got was wrong… but then your work gets erased. Now you have to start from scratch just to figure out what you did wrong and where it all fell apart in your steps. And you’d probably end up repeating more or less the same mistakes that got you the wrong answer in the first place, probably resulting in a different but still incorrect answer. Funny how that works.
Yeah Sauron was definitely around as well. They are basically switching Galadriel and Elronds characters, which is insane. Elrond literally has the gift of foresight, and was always far more aware than this. And the Hobbit hippie kids who sound like pirates… Writing awful, acting is not believable at all, even the delivery of the lines is a joke. Great video! I like Shad and Nathan together.
Sauron is in this show, though they changed everything about him, including his name, race and appearance. Probably amazon trying to "subvert your expectations" by having a "big reveal" at the end of some season when he changes to Sauron.
@@mattrasp1615 Oh but we do. We've seen this same tired routine time and time again. They claim to subvert expectations, but they're so pathetically predictable. We've also heard very clearly what the show runners and cast have said. We know everything.
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them..." - J.R.R. Tolkien They have not deleted that on their YT vids since it is a direct quote. If I re-wrote it with the Shadow being Bezos and Orcs being Amazon that may be a different story. "We spared no expense... on the rights. That left nothing for the budget. So we had to shop a Tea-Thangs, the Chinese knockoff company for some of our props." - Amazon (probably)
Lord of the Rings world always felt old, even ancient, because it had a past. People in it respected that past and the causes for many conflict lay in that past. This drivel of "The past is dead, yadda yadda." flies completely into the face of the setting.
Also typically the people of the past ages were far more powerful than the newer folk so they really had respect for the past because of it's greatness. Feanor fought off how many Balrog at once? Wasn't it like 7? and even then he only died because he was so angry he burnt up? lol
Something I'm really struggling with is their bad age portrayal of some of the elves. Galadriel and Elrond look relatively similarly aged yet she is a few thousand years older than him. But then Celebrimbor looks like a 60yo man and Gil Galad you can tell is an obviously more aged male yet he's younger than galadriel too. I'm really unhappy with 2 castings particularly and it's Celebrimbor and Elrond. What sucks is I love charles Edward's just not as an elf
Gil glad is also younger than Elrond so shouldn't look so old Peter Jackson did him better (even if he wasn't at helm's deep, it was a nice addition) I can't remember if celebrimbor is younger older or same age but still, elves were ageless they looked young even if thousands of years old
Scratch that Elrond is younger than gil galad my mistake still elves don't age after reaching adulthood, arwen only aged when she gave up immortality for Aragorn, aging is a choice but once made cannot be undone
@@jarlnils435 nope just had a giant brain fart and realised I'd mixed up haldir glorfindel and gil galad XD you know cos sometimes your brain stops working
Being familiar with the Silmarillion, I knew what they were talking about right away with the sunrise, that they were referring to the light of Laurelin and Telperion. That said, they probably didn't visually convey that very well to anyone who didn't already know the reference. It does look like a sunrise is coming from behind the trees. Another shot close up, maybe rotating around and dwelling on the trees might have communicated that better.
Bernard Hill (King Théoden) bought himself a stool for sitting on during scenes; since he couldn't keep doffing and donning his armour - totally understandable! But some of the crew took the stool away over a weekend without asking and molded horse and other Rohan motifs on it before putting new 'kingly' leather on it... A stool fit for a King. That's shows the level they went to for the Lord of the Rings, with 20yrs of 'progress' and the backing of one of the biggest corporations I expect them to out-do that.
Total budget for the LOTR trilogy was 281 million dollars for all 3 movies. Even accounting for inflation using 1999 dollars for the worse case scenario the LOTR trilogy would clock in at a budget of 477 million in 2022 dollars. Almost half of what the hobbit trilogy cost and likely a paltry amount compared to this travesty. Where did the money go? This thing has no soul.
There is a similar story to that regarding Ian McKellen. I think it was during the filming of The Hobbit (so not the good old days like LOTR, but still under Jackson)- he was struggling with everything being filmed with green screen and felt extremely lonely and out of character (because his dwarf co-actors were replaced with sticks and photographs instead of real actors). He said it stretched the limits of his acting ability and in LOTR it had been mostly filmed on location with sets (if Gandalf was on a mountain, then he was a damn mountain!). He supposedly broke down and cried, and was still mic'ed so the entire staff including Jackson heard him tearing him up and heard his remarks. If I remember right, the staff went out of the way the next day to decorate an entire space like Rivendell because they knew how much he loved that set in the past, and he greatly appreciated it. I am recounting the story from an interview he did, so it may not be totally correct but it was something like that. Never heard the story about the stool, but it seems in character with the staff and mindset of the staff on the previous productions.
Funny coincidence, but I brought this very story up as well, while explaining to my wife why these trailers look kinda cheap to me. Most of the time its obvious that the clothes, armor and everything just kinda looks bland, because they didn't bother to put a similar effort in, but in some cases I can't even tell what exactly makes it look so much worse. Amazon somehow even managed to make the actors faces look anti-epic as if its some highschool theater with a 30$ budget.
Warrior Galadriel: "You have not seen, what I have seen!" *Warrior Galadriel looks at Elrond with absolute disgust* Elrond: BITCH I HAVE THE GIFT OF FORESIGHT!! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DID YOUR CROSS GUARD HIT YOU ON THE HEAD?!
@@canbostanc8245 Elrond's ring "Vilya" a sapphire stone set in a golden band considered the mightiest of the three given to the elves in the Second age had the ability To heal life and also Preserve it, It was a ring of the air and also belonged to Gil - Galad before he gave it to Elrond. The ring isn't what allows Elrond to use his foresight I honestly think he mainly has his visions of the future while he sleeps but it's not from him wearing his ring I know that. The ring "Nenya" was given to Galadriel it had a Mithril band with set stone of white and had the powers to preserve and conceal things from the sight of evil, this is how she was able to protect Lothlorien. The final elven ring is "Narya" worn by Gandalf after it was gifted to him by Cirdan the Shipwright when he met Gandalf and recognized him as one of the Maiar. Narya was a ring that consisted of a ruby set in a golden band and had the power to inspire others, and the power to resist tyranny, domination, and despair and also gave resistance to the weariness of time. So respectfully no Elrond's ring was not what allowed him to have his visions
This could have been an amazing generic fantasy series… but they had to hitch this wagon to Tolkien. That was the first and last mistake they made as they have shown no desire to revere the works of the father of modern fantasy.
@@14112ido i enjoyed vox, but I do think this being just a generic dnd story would be better than trying to coast on the LOTR name and it being a classic high fantasy would separate it from vox enough to have them be treated by the audience as two different shows and not compare them
@@14112ido I watched the first episode but I couldn't really get into it. I think not really having a main character really hurts the story. I think something like adapting Drizzt Do'Urden would be much better.
Before the First Age, the Sun and the Moon had not yet been created. Light was given to Aman (the Undying Lands) by the Two Trees. Laurelin gave a golden light, and Telperion, which gave silver light. These were called The Years of the Trees. Galadriel was among the oldest of Elves who had seen the light of the Trees and captured the brilliance of their light upon herself. The Sun and Moon are said to be mere pale imitations of the brilliance of the Trees' light.
I read the Silmarillion and the trilogy books many decades ago, so have forgotten....in the Peter Jackson movies, as they are getting ready to send the Fellowship off down the river in those little boats, Galadriel hands that bottle of light to Frodo, and says something about it being their most beloved star. Do you remember that scene? I can't remember exactly what she's referring to when she tells Frodo that. Thanks in advance if you can answer this!
@@Doxymeister The light of Eärendil. Eärendil the Mariner sails his ship Vingilótë across the heavens. And as he bears one of the Silmarils, the light it gives is seen as a bright star across the sky.
One other thing can be said: the context for the Dwarf saying "this might be beginning of a new era", it seems he is saying that holding a piece of mithril, the discovery of this precious metal was a catalyst of the establishment of elven realm of Eregion at the foot of the mountains near dwarf-kingdom of Moria, though whether the lore will remain intact is another thing entirely! "Later some of the Noldor went to Eregion, upon the west of the Misty Mountains, and near to the West-gate of Moria. This they did because they learned that _mithril _had been discovered in Moria. The Noldor were great craftsmen and less unfriendly to the Dwarves than the Sindar; but the friendship that grew up between the people of Durin and the Elven-smiths of Eregion was the closest that there has ever been between the two races. Celebrimbor was lord of Eregion and the greatest of their craftsmen; he was descended from Fëanor." So basically that's the only line spoken in the trailer that has any context :).
In terms of hobbits, the three types correspond roughly with the three ethnicities in Britain. There are Harfoot, swarthy and hardy, representing the native Britons, Stoors, broader and stockier folk, representing the Anglo-Saxons, and Fallohides, taller and fairer folk representing the Normans. Unless Rings of Power is telling me that all Celts are black, I'm not sure how to take their changes with this context.
@@chrisseymour2848 They are taller than the Britons (Welsh miners come in mind), but not as tall as the Normans. Thus also are Stoor to Harfoot and Fallohide.
50:56 That is new Amazon human character Halbrand who is reportedly...Sauron in disguise. 1. Looks cheap 2. Elrond looks older than Galadriel when she's supposed to be his much older mother-in-law. 3. Celeborn is supposedly dead 4. Tar-Miriel is Queen Regent and Pharazon is just her advisor. Born in the 3000's...after the rings were created. 5. Why do the male elves all look so old? 6. Gil-Galahd looks like a Roman emperor 7. Numenoreans were seafaring not horse-lords with mounted cavalry. 8. "Hobbits" look like ragged hippies who grow crops in their hair..well they are nomads in this which isn't conducive to farming. 9. "Hobbit" waddle like penguins because the feet prosthetics are overly large and floppy. 10. 2 Durins alive at the same time (not supposed to happen) 11. Meteor man is supposed to go on a journey with hobbits. Doesn't speak. Speculation is that he's Gandalf. ✔giant craptastic desecration if Tolkien lore.
Numenoreans were a powerhouse of a nation, they could have had any type of army therefore they probably had an army of cavalry coz heavy cavalry is the strongest military you could have with Medieval tech level.
"Long afterwards my father would write, in a wrathful comment on a ‘pretty’ or ‘ladylike’ pictorial rendering of Legolas: He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgûl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship." Book of Lost Tales 2
When I read that I picture a young redwood or sequoia, perhaps a couple hundred years old, graceful but strong, able to endure fire and the many centuries.
In RL, you forget the past at your own peril. How much more so in Middle Earth, where the more ancient an entity is, the more powerful it tends to be? Compare Melkor to Sauron, or Ancalagon to Smaug. Gandalf feared the Balrog because he knew the power of such ancient evils. I'd love to see Mr. The Past is Dead get eaten by one of Ungoliant's brood... PS: Moob plates... moob plates EVERYWHERE...
So as we can see on Shad and Nathan's reaction anyone not familiar with the two threes will likely not understand whats going on there. So thats made for those of us who know the lore - but than why do they go so much out of their way to piss us off with nearly all the rest by ignoring and breaking it left and right?
Probably hoping that some call backs will win them some favor? Honestly, a lot of the logic that seems to be going around seems to be: "Lets make a show, but how do we sell it? Exec: Lets just buy the rights to a popular franchise. The main writers (usually a newbie or someone that doesn't know/care about the original) then write whatever, while the people who knows their stuff try to sneak in something (anything) that actually fits." Not so much maliciousness but a lot of incompetency and nepotism (usually). "I have a friend who says they are a good writer, I'll just hire them and save some money".
Thats honestly what baffled me the most as well. They somehow want to appease the nerds with lesser known lore stuff while completely ignoring the lore at the same time. I have a feeling that this entire thing will be a disaster. If they are so extremely confused when creating a trailer, what can you expect from an entire season?
The Wheel of Time could have been for Amazon what Game of Thrones was for HBO....Only they could have ended on a high note. It could have been a masterpiece. Had they thrown all of their money at The Wheel of Time, and been faithful to the material...it could have been a thing of legends. But instead they treated it like a 2nd tier joke.
@@luxintenebris1776 it had the possibility to be a true epic but season one vandalised the characters and story to an irreparable point.children trying to paint a Picasso and then blaming the painting for their failure.
@@silusnode Well said Lord Captain Commander. Rand's deeds and reveal were sacrificed for the sake of empowering other characters. Perrin's depth and internal struggles were cut. Mat's character was flat out assassinated with how he was portrayed. Abell Cauthon, a man renowned for his honesty and good nature was reduced to an abusive drunkard. And perhaps the greatest sin - the pivotal story driving motivation behind why Lews Therin Telamon sealed the bore was utterly bastardized. Instead of a last ditch desperate effort at the culmination of a multi-year war of attrition, in which the armies of the Light were losing, with the very fate of reality hanging in the balance: the show would have us believe that Lews Therin Telamon simply woke up one day and decided to try to seal the Dark One away (who seems to have always been free) just for the heck of it. No war, no desperation, just "arrogance". It's so compelling, I could puke. My father introduced me to The Wheel of Time. I read the books at least once a year. They are my favorite book series and will forever hold a place in my heart. But what Amazon did is a crime far worse than Leman's Sin. They have Toh.
My main and biggest problem with Rings of Power is that it is a desecration of JRR Tolkien, this is my judgment from everything amazon has said and done. There is no quality of scenery or cast of actors that can change my mind on this matter. Thanks for another splended video lads, I look forward to your next one
"Attack on English Culture" "And European Mythology and white people in general." I recommend you both read Tolkien's letters where he was commenting on his works being called a "Nordic." See, the Nazi Party and other nationalist groups were trying to hold his writings in reverence of a Germanic-Nordic ideal of a northern European race and culture. ie: white euro-nationalism. He tore it apart, he said Middle-earth might be closer in geography to the northern coastlines of Europe, but they that Middle-earth is not Europe and its not Nordic. minas Tirith is closer to the climate and latitude of Florence in Italy, Pelargir is closer to Troy in Turkey, and Harad close to the Levant in climate. Tolkien drew Middle-earth as an entire globe with multiple continents and said that Middle-earth is the earth and all the peoples in it, but at an earlier stage, and not simply Europe. The people of Harad are black and brown, the people of Rhun are tan and yellow-ish skin, the people of Bree are brown and short, the druedain are dark skinned and dark haired. The men of Gondor, save the nobility, are swarthy and short such as the men of Lossarnach. This white only and eurocentric only Middle-earth is not the one Tolkien stated he envisioned and if seeing black actors in a show about Middle-earth(All of it, not just the north/western parts) makes you feel attacked, then you've lost your senses. And people misquote him saying "A mythology for England" but they don't read the next line where he says "Ridiculous." Why Tolkien had to write this nearly 80 years ago and yet its still being thrown around today is ridiculous.
Then you also aren't allowed to like the LotR movies. When Tolkiens Son doesn't even like these movies because they transformed the books into "action blockbusters", Tolkien himself would probably think the same.
39:45 there’s no way Elrond would even question Galadriel too. They ironically made Galadriel weaker. Just goes to show how they’re just treating this like a teenage drama.
28:00 There has been conflict. The show is set in the Second Age. The first age began with the death of the Two Trees and the creation of the Sun and the Moon. The trees were destroyed by Morgoth, basically Satan. Galadriel was already alive then, and she was the daughter of the leader of a faction of High Elves. Her uncle, the creator of the Silmarils, which Morgoth stole, has killed a bunch of elves to steal their ships, in an event called the Kinslaying, and took them to Middle Earth, chasing Morgoth. Then there was war that lasted the entire First Age, about 500 years, towards the end of which Elrond was born, where Morgoth was defeated again and sealed away, an event that ended the War of Wrath and the Second Age, and ushered in the Second Age. By the time Elrond is an adult, Galadriel has seen the great peace of the Age of the Trees, the destruction of those trees, the creation of the Sun and Moon, the Kinslaying, the War of Wrath, the Fall of Gondolin, the Fall of Doriath, the imprisonment of Morgoth, the destruction of Beleriand, a continent sized piece of Middle Earth, and the establishment of the Last Noldor kingdom in Lindon by Gil-Galad. Whose page and herald was Elrond. Mind you, Galadriel, who is of royal blood, one of the oldest living Elves in Middle Earth in the Second Age, and probably the oldest Noldor Elf, and who is by and large considered one of the wisest of her kind, and likewise powerful, was never said to have been a warrior. At the time the show is set, she would have been living in Eregion with her husband Celeborn, raising her daughter who would later marry Elrond. As far as we know, the one and only time Galadriel participated in war was when she destroyed Sauron's fortress of Dol Guldur at the end of the War of the Ring.
7:40 No, I think they mean it quite literally. The creation of the sun and the moon is the beginning of the First Age, so only 500 years or so before Elrond was born. Before that, the world was illuminated by the Two Trees, the fruits of which became the sun and the moon. And before the trees, Arda was illuminated by the Great Lamps.
The Silmarillion is one of my favourite books of all time. (Inc obviously The Ainulindalë, The Akallabeth etc etc) i was thinking of writing all the ways that this is wrong. Some big ones are Galadriel has absolutely nothing to do with the Fall of Nümenor (Akallabeth). She also doesnt have visions or foresight of this (or in general as far as i know) also.. her hair is supposed to glow with the light of Laurelin.. the golden tree of Valinor, created by Yavanna A Valar (one of the Angelic beings (Ainur) who was first created by Eru), in other words one of the oldest most celestial golden lights in existance. Just make her hair glow a bit come on.
Well, to be fair, at some point she acquires or creates the Mirror of Galadriel, which does enable her to view the past, the present, and some possible futures. This is described in the trilogy.
7:30 Shad, millenia before the sun and the moon were created they had two trees that created a golden light and a silvery light. Morgoth had Ungoliant, Sheloab's mother, eat the trees to steal their light... And millennia before THAT there were lanterns on either side of the world that put out gold or silver light. You can clearly see that the trees are giving off light in that same scene... 10:20 These dwarves are the descendants of the Knights who say Ni, they are very proud of their shrubberies. 11:30 Shad its obvious, just "turn off your minds and clap" its the middle earth equivalent of the sequels in Star Wars. "I SAW A SHORT PERSON AND I CLAPPED! IT BROKE NEW GROUND!" 14:00 The Shire was attacked by a genetic weapon created by Sauron, it turned all the hobbits white! 29:10 The idea that humble Elrond would even TELL Galadriel, his mother-in-law, that she NEEDS to do something is just hilarious. The guy who became a carpenter and built a house instead of a fortress because he wanted to have a home and not a kingdom... COMMANDING Galadriel... also Amazon describes him as an ambitious politician... 35:40 False, elves are not slender, they are actually very muscular and run from being tall to being really tall. Its just that while humans put on more mass the elves tended to have denser muscles like Bruce Lee, but even that isn't 100% as some elves were insanely muscular. 39:00 This is most likely a battle from the "War for the Elves" from the earlier age before Elrond was born, when the Archangels came to middle earth to defeat the Lucifer character named Morgoth or Melkior, he had multiple names because of things. Morgoth was one of the architects of Middle Earth, sent here by God to create the world. He was prideful and liked to walk around as a mountain range that spewed forth freezing magma and had a storm cloud above his head that created a constant crown of lightning. Keep in mind he was an actual moving mountainrange and not a human sized "mountainrange". 1:22:30 Only part I've disagreed with so far, I could see them using a thin, hardened leather bra under the scales to make sure her royal highness' huge tracts of land don't get crushed or shaped in an awkward way.
@@Guardian582 No, the lanterns came first, when Arda, the world, was perfect and symmetrical. Melkor came about, destroyed the lamps, broke the earth apart creating the continents, and was imprisoned by the Valar. Then the Trees were created, then Morgoth decided to play dirty again and destroyed them with Ungoliant, but a fruit of each of the trees was saved, and those fruits became the Sun and the Moon.
@@Guardian582 That sounds like a natural progression, but its actually the reverse. The lanterns were broken by Morgoth and the Valar turned them into trees because evil doesn't get to win. Then evil ate the trees and the Valar took the last remenants of the trees and gave them to two Ainur to carry into the sky.
49:41 Prediction: Galadriel wants to fight (as we know from the trailer), Elrond advises against it (as we know from the trailer), so, Galadriel journeys to the realms of men in order to maybe have her warning fall upon open ears. Hence, her riding in a cavalry charge with humans. Then, probably late in the show, the elves realize she was right all along and join in heroically at just the right moment. They apologize and present her with a high station where we find her in Lord of The Rings. I won’t be watching the show because I don’t have Amazon Prime, but you can get back with me if I was right.
@@Kiltzombie That may be the case, but that doesn’t mean that’s what Amazon is going to do. There are rumors that Tom Shippey, a renowned Tolkien scholar, either quit or was fired for making script suggestions that wouldn’t break lore. I cannot verify the validity of the rumor; only that he isn’t presently involved for reasons undisclosed. From what I can find, why he left or in what manner is entirely speculative.
In the Legendarium before the Sun and the Moon the cycle of nigth and day was made by the two tress, the Sun and the Moon are two "fruits" of those trees.
Plus, as Just Some Guy pointed out, there's pretty much no way the isolated Hobbits of the pre-Third Age would know any of this history. Why are they telling the story?
It would have been so easy to have a voice over say something like "the great evil of Morgoth has been defeated, and peace rules over all the races. However, there is a presence stirring, and not everything is as it seems."
As a fan of Lord Of The Rings and as someone who admires and respects J.R.R. Tolkien, this show looks like an insult and a disgrace to his memory. I'm not someone that mindlessly consumes. I wonder what MauLer and the rest of the EFAP crew have to say about this, I wish Wolf was here. Impressive work as always Shad and crew.
Agreed. I'm glad Wolf is doing better after disconnecting from the internet, but boy do I hope he makes a special guest appearance on EFAP for Rings of Power.
39:15 Another youtuber (Galu) suggested that this might be the aftermath of the Kin-slaying of Alqualonde, which happened roughly 500 years before Elrond was born. In some versions, Galadriel fights other Noldor at the side of her hubby, Celeborn. If that is the case, then no, Elrond would not have witnessed this, and would have, at best, only heard second-hand tales of it. Elrond also was born after the big battles of the Wars of Beleriand (save for one, more of that later), although canonically Galadriel spent pretty much all that time in Doriath, safe and sound (except perhaps the two Sackings of Doriath). However, Elrond himself survived the Third Kin-slaying, when the surviving Sons of Feanor attacked the refugee settlement at the mouth of Sirion. Elrond and Elros, still kids, survived since Maglor took them under his wing and protected them. Still, Elrond would have seen some bad stuff, and most importantly, the War of Wrath that literally destroyed Beleriand came after that. It can be debated how much Elrond actually was involved in that conflict.
@@cpt.riptide473 That's why I said "some versions". There are several versions of Celeborn's background (Unfinished Tales: THE HISTORY OF GALADRIEL AND CELEBORN). One is that he was a sindar elf in Doriath. Another has him as a nephew of Olwe in Alqualonde. In that one, he and Galadriel hooked up already in Aman, fought against Feanor & his followers at Alquelonde, managing to save Celeborn's ship, and then used that, separately, to cross the Great Sea to Beleriand. In that version, Galadriel never crosses Helcaraxe. EDIT: Just to clarify a bit. Even in another version where Celeborn is a sinda, Galadriel is said to have fought for the Teleri, her mother's people, at Alqualonde. In this case, she would have marched across Helcaraxe with her kin, while Feanor's group would have sailed across on stolen ships.
The reason why there is such a disconnect with presenting the statement that the world is young, before the sunrise and then showing ruins and speaking of ages of conflict is that Amazon is taking approximately 3,000 years of history and picking out just the highlight, major events and condensing them all into a VERY short period of time....not just jumping ahead through time to show the passage of time quicker like doing a “many hundreds of years later” type of thing, but actually making events that were separated by hundreds, even thousands of years, contemporaneous with each other.
This story doesn’t work for a serialised tv format, too many events are cross generational, there are no characters to anchor the narrative. For example the fall of Numenor occurs over multiple generations. It would be the same as trying to adapt all of Greek Myth into a series with a single narrative. It cannot be done while staying true to the source material
@@waylander9265 you'd pretty much have to make a bunch of short storie which would actually be kind of cool. Sadly it's too much effort for anyone who relies solely on IP to bring people in.
8:42 As it said in the trailer. There was no sun in the world in the beginning, and those two trees of Valinor were what gave light to the world of Arda. After Melkor destroyed the two trees, the Valar used the last of the trees (probably something more specific, but its was a part of the trees) to make the sun and the moon and then cast them into the sky.
40:50 Why is Galadriel saying "...what I have seen." with a smile? She has foreseen the death/destruction of her people, Middle Earth, or both and she delivers the line with a smile! (On top of the calm non-urgent presentation Shad and Nate discuss at that moment)
I hate that Amazon is treating this like fantasy. I mean it is fantasy in a sense. But it was written to be a grounded mythology for England so whatever is depicted should naturally lead into our real world history of England
@@inarencommander4663 I understand Valinor being a much more magical and fantastic place, and even Numenor being almost Atlantean as it relates to our real world mythology. My comment about fantasy elements being more grounded was more in relation to how armor and weaponry are treated. I just don't like "fantasy" used as an excuse for laziness in design
@@williamowens Tolkien prob imagined the 3rd age armor similiar to the armor and weaponry of the early middle ages aka angle saxon vs vikings period, though the elves were known for being almost perfect and doing everything better thanks to their interaction with the valar (the first elves that is).
In order: - "There was a time when the world was so young..." while showing ruins - This is a really subtle nod to the idea that what is going to be said happened before the current age, which is 2 "ages" before the "main" story detailed in the Red Book. It's not necessarily incongruous, as some would survive from that time, and others are being born that would need that foundation - Elrond, for example, is "old" in LotR, over 6000 years old, but was actually born hundreds or even thousands of years after some of the most pivotal and world shaping battles and events. For him to be around, which we know he is, it has been thousands of years since the start of the War of the Jewels, hundreds of years since the start of the First Age, and decades since the Second Kinslaying. Although it may still be the end of the First, or beginning of the Second Age, there would be ruins. It's saying "Things are already old, but there was a time when this happened." - The first sunrise actually only occurred 590 years before the start of the Second Age, millennia after the the Elves had already awoken. Galadriel was 138 when the Time of Trees ended, and Elrond would not be born for another 532 years. - "Is this not a sunrise, is this the trees giving light?" Yes. Prior to the sundering where Melkor and Ungoliant destroy the two trees (in 1495 Y.T, 5 years before the Sun is set on its course,) the light came from The Two Trees of Valinor, also known as the Trees of the Valar. They were Laurelin (the Gold Tree) and Telperion (the Silver Tree). - "You've fought long enough Galadriel." No? Whilst She did (apparently) follow the Ñoldor exiles in their flight from Valinor to Middle Earth, she did not take part in any of the Battles or Kinslayings. It was because she took no part that she was offered the chance to return to Valinor with the others, where the Sons of Fëanor and those who followed Gil-Galad did not. In one his last essays Tolkien actually removed her from the company of the Ñoldor completely, as her presence and inactivity made no impact on any battle or event, and she sails to Middle Earth independently on a ship of her own design and construction. - Imagine being 600 years old and having a teenager telling you what to do. Whilst Galadriel is full of piss and vinegar in the First when she was in Valinor, in Middle Earth she has wizened - especially after losing two brothers, and displays more quiet power and subtle sorceries. Also, cannonically, she is a giant, standing at 6'4" and all except her brothers had to look up to her. Elrond was not particularly tall for an Elf. - Yep, if they can besmirch Tolkien's legacy, have a "strong, independent woman" and piss of millions of fans all in one go, that's the golden trifecta for Wokazon. - Galadriel's flashback could be "Dagor Bragollach" where Morgoth struck back against the leagues of Ñoldor, breaks the Siege of Angband and kills Fingolfin in a duel, and loosed Glaurung the first Dragon upon the Elves. It happened 77 years before Elrond was born. It was the start of the 135 years that lead up to the War of Wrath, leading to Morgoth's defeat and the start of the Second Age. Elrond is 58 when Morgoth is sent to the void. - "The past is dead, we either move on or die with it." That could be referencing Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the Battle of Unnumbered Tears, where the Union of Maedhros and the cohesion of the Elvish, Dwarvish and Human forces was broken. It could very well be meant to dissuade a younger Human from mindlessly following the Elves based on previous alliances, and the Humans will forge their own destiny. - The impact crater scene is meant to evoke imagery of the Eye of Sauron. - The Harfoots lived in the lower foothills of the Misty Mountains in the Vales of Anduin, they migrated westward into Eriador, beginning the "Wandering Days" of the Hobbit peoples. They were first recorded in Arnorian records around T.A. 1050 - nearly 5000 years after the start of the Second age. - It all looks so "clean." Most of this presupposes the showrunners actually know a single thing about Tolkien lore, or that they actually care. Which I know they don't.
The meteor men isn't Sauron it's Halbrand so their imagery with the eye of Sauron is deceptive. Also it makes no sense for Elendil to say these sentences about the past.
@@rpgadventurer32 How a mortal man can survive being surrounded by fire(and then there is a further scene showing meteor man absorbing the flames?!?)...? It does make sense being a maiar... Sauron, an istari or otherwise.
@@rpgadventurer32 Halbrand isn't real. He doesn't exist. I never said it was accurate, only that it was a deliberate visual choice. I didn't say it made sense. I'm just hoping.
"Big Elven Trees of some significance" Yea SOME significance.....like the actual pre-cursors to the Sun and Moon themselves...and the Pieces of the world used to construct the Silmarillions themselves.
I always like the fact that you make this long videos, its very nice to have as background while doing stuff, only tabbing in when you guys point to look at something.
The more I learn about this show, the more I get the feeling that a lot of the money went into 'administrative costs' more so than actual production. Like a way for executives and administrators to take money from the budget and inflate their own pay checks or put that money into specific areas that they've invest in to increase their investment before selling out. just something doesn't feel right beyond simply the diarrhea based desecration of a dead man's work, name, and fans.
yes. I'm So glad this is here. I haven't even started watching yet but the FIRST things I noticed in these trailers is how atrocious the weapon and armor design is in this show. Please Shad, Commence the evisceration.
In Peter Jackson's rings, they employed local artisans specialising in all kinds of craft to create every little thing, from gargantuan sets to small chains on armour. Everything was authentic, hand made, intricate to the last detail, practical and stunning. I had the honour of seeing many of the beautiful props, working in Wanaka during the filming of the 1st. So much research and love went into the whole production. There's a great doco on UA-cam that does into great detail of it all. Already, this TV series feels like a cheap (but expensive) mockery.
the harfoots felt they were safe because they never settled in one place, they kept themselves away from civilization. (you know, so far from any civilization that they never existed..) saying the world is young is a misnomer, as even when the world is young, a very long time passed before the numenorians came around, and they were a very long lived race (just useing them as an example.) morgoth and sauron were around for a while before the wizards came along. the wizards are Maia, or Maiar who were sent to middle earth later to help mankind deal with sauron. i dont remember what the trees are called, but thats a weird image to put in as at one time those trees were the source of light and power for the anuir, and part of the lore was that morgoth schemed to steal their light. he eventually destroyed them. i think it was after this that Fëanor forged the Silmarils inorder to replace the light of the trees, and morgoth stole these... and eventually, after ALOT of people died, 1 simaril was recovered. so im really questioning the time frame of all this as elrond is elrond half-elven, and im pretty sure he came along after all that.
So regarding the silmarillion , which I'm reading with some difficulty now towards the end , the two trees were created by yavanna , because the sun and moon weren't made yet . They brought constant light to the world , so there was no sunrise at the point if the story . When morgoth kills the two trees , then the sun and moon were made too create the first sunrise and set . The problem is is that the trees were destroyed in the 1st age of the world from what I understand , and this series is set in the second I believe. That shot has to be a flashback or something or other .and the harefoots are the ancient predecessors to the hobbits .
9:22 - Yes. Telperion the Silver and Laurelin the Gold were the two trees of Valinor from which all light came until their destruction. Ultimately the remains of the trees are what spawn the Sun and the Moon.
Thanks to FNT apperiences Shad I found your channel and I fuckin love it! Brutally honest and entertaining content, I love your takes on the shit that is coming out these days so I don't have to sit though the pain. Keep up the great stuff!
The "red" scene of memory? Oh that's just Galadrivel's latest acid trip and she's not come down yet. That's also why she sounds like a petulant child. Also: Knights, please just read the Silmarillion, you really need it to understand all the faults and inventions (as the show's not going to tell you, as evidenced by lack of explaination here). Burst out laughing at "Galadriel and some guy on a horse". That guy on the horse's supposed to be Elendil the (in the show not so) Tall. Let the cringe ensue.
it is actual LOTR lore that the light used to come from 2 trees (although they were on different sides of the (flat) world, one would shine at a time with a twilight in the middle where they were both dim. and there was no sun at this time. both were destroyed in the first age and the sylmirils have the last of their light
Actually it was the two lamps that were on different sides of the world, the two trees were side by side, which is was Ungoliant was able to "drink" them one immediately after the other.
Actually, it is not "LOTR lore". The sun and moon from fruit and flower of the Two Trees is mythology not found in Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit (as revised). In fact, Tolkien deliberately revised The Hobbit to exclude that myth, and the sun and moon existed when the Elves awoke.
"Before the first sunrise ' absolutely makes sense since all the light came from the Trees and the sun and the stars were created after the trees were destroyed
1: Shad raging about back scabbard 2: Knights Watch *AWESOME* opening theme 3: Real aluminum male (better be 6160 boy!) 4: 1 hour and 40 minutes of rage to look forward to 5: Even better outro theme What a great channel!
23:20 Hey Shad regarding you saying you could have consulted, Disparu gave you a shoutout for this exact teaser by the saying the same thing. 33:30 In fact, Nathan, if you reverse the roles in that scene, you get the characters as they would have been in the original trilogy.
Indeed, much of Elven history predates the sun, and there are the two great trees of Valinor; Laurelin and Telperion. Elden ring copied Laurelin from the Silmarillion, not the other way around. I would, and I do complain about the swords with triple-length hilts. Those are straightswords with crossguards. It doesn't fit. They look horrible.
i really liked your speech about how they show us that the onlyway to be a strong whoman, is by acting like a man. i have thought about this for a while now. why does holywood love women but hate femininity? as a young woman myself, it's incredebly frustrating to see "strong female characters" being stripped of most femininity.
1:26:00 I was looking at the tack of the horses a little bit more closely, and trying to guess if the actors are horse riders or not, and I noticed that the pole-bearer is holding his pole on the wrong side. You can clearly see a bracket on the outside of his right stirrup, where the butt of the pole is supposed to rest, yet he just casually holds it at his left side. That is another sign of the carelessness with making the props look real. Even if that decoration would be only gold plated, instead of solid gold, he would not be able to hold the pole like that for long, especially if the horse would be moving. As I was writing this comment, I noticed that you can see two other riders who have their spears/banners seated correctly (one on the very edge on the left, the other way in the back of the row beside that), so they do know it's supposed to be used like that. Maybe they wanted the crest on the pole to be closer to the crest of the helmet, so they made him switch hands instead of having him be on the other side of her.
There was a point in middle earth where there was light but no sun, the time of the trees (i know it's more complicated than that, but that's the simple explanation of it)
@@rockinHurley777 On the contrary, I get value from his reviews because A) it saves me from watching the drivel and actually watch something entertaining. B) i don't have to watch it to see how terrible it is, giving amazon less views C) if the review is shorter than the episode I'm saving time, if not then refer to point A
I’m hoping they do watch it. I’m waiting on their overview (amongst a few other channels) before I decide to watch or not. I’m still heavily leaning on not watching it though. I have ZERO hope for Amazon’s series.
@@annaanisa7388 I ain't watching this shit. I'm just waiting for the rage videos on it from Shad, Nerdrotic and MauLer. 10 times as entertaining and I don't give Amazon a cent.
Oh poor Elrond...yeah THIS Elrond: "He was as noble and fair as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer." Elrond was born near the end of First Age, he lost his parents, and home (due to treachery of the Feanorians, though the decent sons of Feanor actually raised him and his twin brother, who later chose the life of mortal man the first king of Numenor), he saw the destruction of Beleriand in War of Wrath no doubt and the Host of Valinor, and he was a survivor, as a right hand elf for Gil-galad he was his herald marching with his armies, but also "wise in all lore" and "master of healing" these are strongest aspects of who he is. Also it's weird to see him trying to talk Galadriel into 'forgetting the past' basically when as an elf he now should understand the nostalgia and intense feeling of regret they experience: "Thereupon Elrond paused a while and sighed. 'I remember well the splendour of their banners,' he said. 'It recalled to me the glory of the Elder Days and the hosts of Beleriand, so many great princes and captains were assembled. And yet not so many, nor so fair, as when Thangorodrim was broken, and the Elves deemed that evil was ended for ever, and it was not so.' 'You remember?' said Frodo, speaking his thought aloud in his astonishment. 'But I thought,' he stammered as Elrond turned towards him, 'I thought that the fall of Gil-galad was a long age ago.' 'So it was indeed,' answered Elrond gravely. 'But my memory reaches back even to the Elder Days. Eärendil was my sire, who was born in Gondolin before its fall; and my mother was Elwing, daughter of Dior, son of Lúthien of Doriath. I have seen three ages in the West of the world, and many defeats, and many fruitless victories. 'I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father's sword, and took it for his own.'" Part of those events should be more or less portrayed in the tv show. As Galadriel spoke in book: "'The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged. Yet they will cast all away rather than submit to Sauron: for they know him now." elrond along with Gil-galad and Galadreil were one of the few who distrusted this newcomer called Annatar, they knew and believed that the evil was not gone, they found out fairly quickly, king Gil-galad even wrote a letter to the king of Numenor on this warning him! "When Aldarion left the chamber, Meneldur looked at the letter that his son had given him, wondering; for he saw that it came from King Gil-galad in Lindon. It was sealed and bore his device of white stars upon a blue rondure. 24 Upon the outer fold was written: Given at Mithlond to the hand of the Lord Aldarion King's Heir of Númenórë, to be delivered to the High King at Armenelos in person. Then Meneldur broke the seal and read: Ereinion Gil-galad son of Fingon to Tar-Meneldur of the line of Eärendil, greeting: the Valar keep you and may no shadow fall upon the Isle of Kings. Long I have owed you thanks, for you have so many times sent to me your son Anardil Aldarion: the greatest Elf-friend that now is among Men, as I deem. At this time I ask your pardon, if I have detained him overlong in my service; for I had great need of the knowledge of Men and their tongues which he alone possesses. He has dared many perils to bring me counsel. Of my need he will speak to you; yet he does not guess how great it is, being young and full of hope. Therefore I write this for the eyes of the King of Númenórë only. A new shadow arises in the East. It is no tyranny of evil Men, as your son believes; but a servant of Morgoth is stirring, and evil things wake again. Each year it gains in strength, for most Men are ripe to its purpose. Not far off is the day, I judge, when it will become too great for the Eldar unaided to withstand. Therefore, whenever I behold a tall ship of the Kings of Men, my heart is eased. And now I make bold to seek your help. If you have any strength of Men to spare, lend it to me, I beg. Your son will report to you, if you will, all our reasons. But in fine it is his counsel (and that is ever wise) that when assault comes, as it surely will, we should seek to hold the Westlands, where still the Eldar dwell, and Men of your race, whose hearts are not yet darkened. At the least we must defend Eriador about the long rivers west of the mountains that we name Hithaeglir: our chief defence. But in that mountain-wall there is a great gap southward in the land of Calenardhon; and by that way inroad from the East must come. Already enmity creeps along the coast towards it. It could be defended and assault hindered, did we hold some seat of power upon the nearer shore. So the Lord Aldarion long has seen. At Vinylondë by the mouth of Gwathló he has long laboured to establish such haven, secure against sea and land; but his mighty works have been in vain. He has great knowledge in such matters, for he has learned much of Círdan, and he understands better than any the needs of your great ships. But he has never had men enough; whereas Círdan has no wrights or masons to spare. The King will know his own needs; but if he will listen with favour to the Lord Aldarion, and support him as he may, then hope will be greater in the world. The memories of the First Age are dim, and all things in Middle-earth grow colder. Let not the ancient friendship of Eldar and Dunedain wane also. Behold! The darkness that is to come is filled with hatred for us, but it hates you no less. The Great Sea will not be too wide for its wings, if it is suffered to come to full growth. Manwë keep you under the One, and send fair wind to your sails." Elrond was a right hand elf of that king so he should be fully aware, plus he would only show respect to Galadriel, knowing she can look into minds of others and has other powers like seeing visions of the future in her mirror, plus Elrond himself was foresighted! Also it should be noted that Galadreil is Elrond's (future) mother-in-law :) for Celebrian her daughter, born some time early in Second Age will be Elrond's wife and mother of his children, Arwen, Elladan and Elrohir :) hehehe.
7:35..this is in the Spring of Arda, before the Valar had made the sun and moon and Valinor was lit by the lights of the two Trees of Valinor, Telperion and Laurelin..they were later destroyed, throwing Valinor back into the light of the stars only but the last fruit and flower of the Trees of Valinor were used to make the Sun and Moon to light the earth for the coming of Man...
I did not want them to ever adapt the 'older' stories of Middle Earth The mythical feeling Tolkien wanted to convey was captured perfectly in his works Making it visible destroys that Their underlying ideals give them the arrogance to think they can adapt anything
52:30 the armies of Gondor also used calvary, as depicted in the LOTR trilogy. There was one noteable scene in particular from Return of the King where Faramir lead a charge of calvary towards Osgiliath after Denethor commanded him to take back the stronghold. The orcs fire arrows at the calvary while it’s charging, killing them all. It was a pretty epic scene.
Shouldn't the cavalry be weaker than the others nation's? As an example the Roman legions were infantry based and often recruited foreign auxiliaries to fill the cavalry ranks. They did have their own cavalry but was noticeably less effective than their Persian or north African counterparts, societies with a greater cultural and military emphasis on cavalry.
@@craigmeisenheimer1835 what? Rome had extremely good cavalry. An army needs to be strong in every aspect. Especially the eastern-roman Times saw the best cavelary of its time.
The books haw the Gondorian knights playing a quite prominent role. (Especially the knights of Dol-Amroth) Peter Jackson did a bad job at really showing Gondor how Tolkien intended it. (I did enjoy the archiecture in the movies, so, at least...:D )
@@leone.6190 They did. I literally say that. They were just not as good as their enemies most of the time, as shown with continuous recruitment of large auxiliary cavalry units. The late and eastern Roman army became cavalry based so it is different. I mean the Roman army at its prime, meaning the early to mid 1st century AD.
Yeah I think the murder and doppleganger of Elronds character was the hardest thing for me. he was one of my favorite parts of the first LotR movie from the opening battles to his attitude and leadership later in the movie. But I do agree with new Elronds about this trialer. I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH.
I think this is really it for me as well. Tolkein is very explicit about Elrond's heritage, past and motivations. He's one of the definitively good characters in the 2nd age, and part of his character is the lack of moral quandaries. I can see (from a creator/adaptation stand point) them deciding to go with a more active/warrior role for Galadriel, but I get a really shitty feeling about where Elrond's character is going.
I always get annoyed where any "medieval-style" decorations and clothing are just monotone bland garbage. There are so many modern cultural views of that period [yes I know this is a different fantasy world, but obviously this is where the influence comes from in the design of these things to some degree] that really need to go.
I typically like Shad's videos anyway, but when I was watching this and saw that the like count was 343 I immediately liked it to change the number in solidarity with Oz.
"I've seen my share." Wow, just wow! You can see where all the production $$'s went when you get that kind of blue ribbon dialogue. The novelization will be going straight to the top of the best sellers list!
These guys really spent an hour and forty minutes of finding ways to hate every little thing in every frame in a two and a half minutes teaser trailer... well mostly the one guy on the left, the other guy just mostly sat there nodding his head and look at the camera
Guys .... read The Silmarillion before commenting on Tolkien's lore, Amazon will prob fuck this show up but they did match some things very nicely in this trailer, specially the first part. Honestly, First Age Tolkien is the most badass piece of lore ever created! If you guys like mythology you will love The Silmarillion. I like what they are showing us from the numenorean men and some of the elves (minus the weird hairstyle choice) but the Harfoot are an alarming sign ....
Wrong. Númenoreans fought without heavy cavalry because they carry too much equipment to battle and like to fight more compact. They didn't even mount It as light cavalry, they let that for their middle-men allies as mounted archers.
The Rohirim do not hail from Numenor, either by blood nor by culture, their ancestors seemed to have lived in Rhovanion almost since the awakening of men, and moved south during the third age to avoid slavery, and after assisting Gondor in war they were given Rohan as homeland and became the Rohirrim.
Aluminum armor! You've got to keep the Investiture out! I completely missed the person in the meteor my first time through. I'm not confident who he is, but I agree that he seems much more relevant than the majority of the trailer implies. I actually read the Silmarillion, so I caught the trees of light right away. It made me relate to Nathan watching Obi-Wan, since I really want to see Morgoth and Ungoliant, but I am very concerned by the rest of the teaser. I have also seen comments that say that this teaser targets people who have read the Silmarillion, which seems to be the case. It really shouldn't, since that demographic is not only small, but it is the least likely to appreciate their lore breaking.
The trees are actually correct - the Valar started by lighting the world with giant lamps, which Melkor destroyed, and then their second attempt was a golden tree to ligh tthe day and a silver tree to light the night, which Melkor had poisoned and killed by the demon spider Ungoliant. Much of the beauty of the silmarils derived from the light of the Trees captured within them. The Elves think of the time of the Trees as The Good Old Days. So far so more or less good. They they screw it up with Action Hero General Galadriel, Wimpy Social Media Consultant Elrond and anachronistic, oddly dirty-looking 'Harfoots' (who in any case seem less Hobbit than feral hippy). Not to mention Mysteriously Ethnically Diverse Female Numenoreans.
I appreciate that in your review you put a lot of focus on the narrative of the trailer. I know virtually all other reviewers comment mostly on the aethetics and the lore… and *rightfully* so. But yours is the first I’ve seen where you literally try to piece together the narrative based on the spoken lines and it gave an interestingly different take. Since you are an author I think your approach makes total sense. Aside from all the lore and visual talk, I noticed myself the lines mentioned in the teaser didn’t truly flow or give us a basic “grounding” on the context of the show. It’s a bit aggravating at this point. Nothing but a bunch of randomness coming from Amazon since day ONE of releasing the first teaser.
Yeah I don’t think they had much thoughts beyond “show ppl cool stuff and pretty shots and they’ll want to watch”.
This is projecting. Just because the people that put this together don’t care about the narrative flow doesn’t mean we don’t. Just because you can be wowed into interest by pretty colors on a screen does not mean that works for everyone.
They probably don't know what the story is yet. Like with Rise of Skywalker how the story was in flux until basically 2 weeks before it released. This is just how classics are made. 😂
Imo, That is why they are using Lord of the Rings in the title, to garner attention and make money, to fool fans into thinking this is Tolkien. I dont think they even have a story other than they will likely focus the show on Sauron manipulating Celebrimbor into forging the rings of power, eventually. And his influence on Numenor.
Why they need to compress thousands of years together or have characters doing things they never did or being in places they never were or completely changing existing characters personalities like Galadriel and Elrond and adding new, unnecessary characters like the harfoots and meteor man etc...no clue
It kind of feels like that show Lost. Where the producers may have started out with a good idea but didn't really know what to do with it or where to take it, so it just became one big shock moment after another, the " and then this happened" trope. They literally became lost on how to tell the story....
This is sadly how this show will be presented, based on what I've read, heard and seen. "Oooohhh, look at that" "and then this happened". They will use the excuse of "subverting expections" to explain away having no talent and not really caring about the crappy work or effort they put into producing this steaming pile.
it's also very likely that this is trailer shenanigans where none of the lines or scenes will be shown in the series at all
Ditto, I made that comment aloud while watching another guy
The two trees lit Valinor before Morgoth had Ungoliant kill them and also stole the Silmarils, which were constructed with the light of the trees. The Sun and Moon were created from the last fruits of the trees. The Noldoran Elves then declared war on Morgoth to recover the Silmarils and followed him to Beleriand in Middle-Earth. That is at least from Tolkien. This started the First Age of Middle Earth, but the story is supposed to set in the Second Age, so a few thousand years have passed since then and the world is not exactly young.
yea, it might technically be before the first „sunrise“, but thats only because they had a glowing tree before instead of a sun. „young“ would be the elves waking up and following the light to valinor.
@@mayhemivory5730 The light of the trees was only in Valinor. The rest of the world only had the stars for light at the time, somehow. The Silmarilion is creation myth taken as history, since many Elves like Galadriel were alive in the mythological times.
Exactly. Plenty of cities before the sun rose... But that was well before this show... And it will still confuse the heck out of normies. Most people haven't read the simirilian.
Before the trees were the 2 lamps that lit parts of the world
@@MegaHI32 Yes, but that was before any of the Children of Iluvatar had awakened.
Shad's rage is like fountain of youth's dew. It fuels my hollow soul.
Best comment!! You’ve hit the nail on the head!
My sister said she had to stop watching his rants whilst at college because he sounds too much like our older brother, making her too homesick
Reminds me the old times when Angry Joe was Angry. Now he seems more like Happy Joe and even has sometimes that laughing screaming generic soy look, idk :/
It (the rage) reminds me of Monty Python's Flying Circus when the customer was raging at the attendant that his parrot that was sold to him was in fact dead while the store owner continued to insist he was "pining for the fields" 🤣
@@hermitcard4494 Consoom Joe
The thing in this trailer that makes me absolutely sick!
"the past is dead, we can either die with it or move to the future."
There is nothing more absolute anathema to Tolkien and his works than the idea of the past being dead!
From his lore, to his writing, to heck Frodo's very last instruction to Sam to "keep alive the memory of the age that is gone!
I've gone beyond rage, at this pointt, Wheel of time made me feel rage, Starwars! made me feel rage.
With lord of the rings, something which has been the most personally special to me, I just feel sad and a sense of horror.
it really is simply watching the world you love burn before your very eyes, while jeff Bezos plays along on the fiddle and all his little brainwashed puppets dance to his tune amidst the flames
The past must die, kill it if you have to.
I agree. They know what they're doing too... it's in the trailer deliberately to slap it in your face. You recognise that truth, so prepare to be punished.
@@rockheimr This is exactly why I intend not! to watch this series.
I'm not even going to bother seeing how bad it gets. Wheel of time was the last straw for both myself and my lady.
I'm not supporting amazon either with my views, or my money, and I don't intend to support any of the other services which puts out this sort of crap.
if I want entertainment, I'd rather read anyway, and there are plenty of extremely good books I haven't read, books without toxic feminism, misandry or destructive post modern nihilism.
It's really quite easy to forget about the modern crap when you're immersed in something truly great, case in point, tonight my lady and I rewatched starwars a new hope, and I didn't think of Disney star wars once!
Same goes with Tolkien, his work is timeless, and transcends any of this vandalism.
As Frodo himself said in one of my favourite scenes of the books,, upon seeing the ray of sunlight strike the ruined statue at the crossroads of kirith ungol:
"they cannot conquer forever!"
If the past is dead, can we bury Marxism and Critical Theory crap like this with it?
@@nk_3332 "the past is dead", is more related to Don Cupid's post modernist philosophy than any sort of Marxism.
Marx himself was actually a big fan of educating people, especially in the field of history, since part of his critique of the capitalist system was the way it kept those at the bottom stupid.
This "let the past die", or "the past is dead", comment actually relates far more to mid to late 20th century post modernism, based on Don cupid, Thomas Szasz and others.
this ideology involves reframing all moral questions specifically in terms of individualised power relations.
There are no morals, no history, no objective facts, just those created by "the patriarchy", or "the able boddied order", or whatever other group in power the specific post modernist is criticising.
Think of the Amber Herd syndrome where it is not about "the! truth", but "their! truth."
I am a socialist myself (very much a libertarian socialist), when it comes to control of the means of production and the responsibilities of governments to check corporate power, and again, feel free to disagree with me on this issue.
However, the modern woke agenda is less about comunism (especially with how its used by major corporations to avoid criticism), than it is about the ultimate denial of any moral authority outside not just the subjective, but the individual, which, rather ironically, creates very much a mob of clones all following the same idiology, even while proclaiming their own personal specialness and lack of care for anyone else.
Btw, sorry if this was a longer response than you wanted,
discussions of idiology to someone with a phd in philosophy are sort of like red rag to a bull :D.
Anytime I hear characters in the show say the past is dead all i hear is "stop comparing us to the vastly superior thing that came before us that made us even being here possible"
Being the origin of something doesn't automatically make it superior💭
@@simphiwe4930 but they are superior
@@simphiwe4930 the theme of LOTR basically say the otherwise.
@@Travelling_Heart15 What is "they" in this case?
@@hoanguyenthai9170 So all original/first draft scores are better than anything afterwards?
"You have not seen"; perfect thing to say to an Elf known for the ability of foresight
Galadriel refuse to fight Morgoth in the first age, because she perceive the fight as hopeless, due to his immense power. This is explicitly stated in The Silmarillions. Galadriel lives the entire First Age in peaceful isolation.
Elrond, is born by the end of the First Age, where the fight is going on and is captured and held captive by the cousins of Galadriel as a child. Maglor, one of Galadriel's cousin feel guilty and ends up raising Elrond and Elros as his own sons. Elrond and Elros then becomes known warriors, they take part in the fights of Maglos, until the sons of Feanor, Galadriel's cousins, start acting on their own once again.
Elrond is on Belleriand when the War of Wrath happen. He is on the fucking continent that get utterly destroyed in that very war and end up almost entirely sunken beneath the seas, because of that war. Galadriel is in peaceful isolation in Middle Earth.
Galadriel has seen shit and Elrond did not... Oh god, they are going to switch up their stories aren't they?
I am in agony, Arda, the world of Tolkien means soooo much to me.
Galadriel did saw the first kinslaying ever in the sacret land of valinor, and she did went heracrexes and saw the destruction of the many battles with Morgoth .... even though she was "safe" in Thingol's kingdom.
But yeah, she was not around anymore for the great big battle and Elrond was.
So I wonder how they will match their dynamics, both have seen A LOT.
@@aesir1ases64 Who was around when the Second Kinslaying happened? Elrond.
There is nothing specified about Galadriel seeing any of the major battles. She would se the aftermath, but not the events.
To be fair, she is about 720 years older than Elrond, about 500 of which are years of the trees, which lasted around 3 times longer.
Still, Galadriel's motivation is to stop Feanor and his sons for much of the First Age. In the Second Age, her role is in great part that of a raising elven lord (lady/queen) and to be the first to misstrust and warn about Annator. She does not take drastic actions to deal with Sauron, not before the others do. She just warns that the guy is shaddy amd that they should be warry, which leads to the Elves establishing counter measures and thus not being caught off guard, by the One Ring.
Just leave the epic warrior stuff where it belongs, with Gil Galad, Elrond and the Numenoreans.
Oh, wait I realised, we get a Galadriel that has seen shit, when we still have Gil Galad around... That is going to be hard to explain... You know, a guy that actually fought every single wars against Morgoth and was almost always a major figure, a living legend. An Elf, older than Galadriel, who is the High King.
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Neither Elrond, nor Galadriel were in the 2nd Kinslaying.
Oropher or Amdir? Definitely.
@@thespyingeyeofmordor No, but the very target of the Second Kinslaying was his mother and the sack of Sirion, is the direct aftermath of it, it could even be argued as part of it. This is when Elrond and Elros were captured, by the sons of Feanor. Considering they followed Elwing, his mother from Doriath to Sirion and then proceded to sack Sirion, I would personnaly consider it an extension of the Second Kinslaying.
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Oh yes, the one who possess the Naugalmir, with a Silmaril attached.
Wasn't Galadriel already one of the most powerful beings in middle earth? Like, she completely owned every scene she was in Lord of the rings, Amazon actually made her look weaker
She was at the time of Lord of The Rings, but not in the second age. But you are right they have made her look very weak. Saying that, there was alot of beings many more powerful than her still around. Melian, Thingol.. basically all of the Older Elves.. but they DO actually de-power her here, they all look very weak. Elves are supposed to be basicallyy lesser Angels. Here they pretty much look like human kings/queens
turned her into a Xena knock off
Imagine giving Dumbledore a sword and an armor and telling him "go fight Voldemort".
That's what they did with "Galadriel".
@@matthewclark7955 Melian and Thingol were long gone from Middle Earth in the second age.
They made her look younger than Celebrimbor, despite her being thousands of years older than him.
Galadriel was sporting some legendary Cheetos fingers indeed!
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@@KNIGHTSWATCH Honestly, true Feminism never originally had this nonsense attitude you see at times these days. Just look at the most actually equilateral nations out there. Finland, first country in the world to give women, not just rights to vote (first in Europe for that), but representation in parliament. Today - the men in Finland may even have change to spend more time with their pre-school aged kids than the mothers would. It's a bit of a choice really - but they have some what similar leave from work after a child is born as women do. Which is a lot more than in many other countries. And how one uses it or when is rather free of choice, until the child is of certain age. But the point is that - it is simply result of trying to give fathers as well time with the child. To be honestly equal about it - a thing actually driven and supported by the Feminists. Then again, it also is a country where the woman you go out on a date with will literally insist on paying her own half of the diner, because she thinks it's more fair that way and does wish to represent the fact that she is standing on her own feet. I could make more examples. I am a woman by the way. I am a Finn, so obviously bit bias. But there is the right and original way of Feminism - and this bullshit twisted crap. It never was to start with an attempt to make one or another gender either 'better' than the other or more powerful. It just requires the willingness and effort to come half way down to meet at the middle. And that means - sorry to say - but no, women don't need to be treated like they were princess any more than a man needs to brag about how manly a man he is to be a man. Frankly the latter generally gives the absolute opposite image about it, making most women smirk at the whole foolishness. I guess - i just wanted to say, that I don't like the way these new twists make Feminism - the real Feminism, look like nothing but toxic bitch-ism. And I am both a woman, and enough of a old time Feminist - the kind to actually know what equality was supposed to mean - to say so. It never was about claiming that women are somehow better or superior to men. We are neither - not weaker nor better. And I did use the word 'weaker' in other sense that the physical one. Feminism was about having equal rights, period. Not even about gaining equal out come, period. And there for, true Feminism would also have to stand for equal rights of men along the side of women, where they may not have that change - say with gaining access to children in case of divorce or indeed having that time with the newborn or very young kids. The point is, that you can not have equality, if you are not willing to then also accept the equal responsibilities - like paying your own share of that diner when on a date. No, nothing wrong about treating your spouse or love interest with something special - but that should not be the expected norm of always. So, for your information - only the other day, I took my husband out for a dinner, paid by ME, the wife - simply because I thought that he both earned it for being nice and because I too should have that consideration, not just him. He is not from my native country, so I think the way I do things based on my culture - rather surprised him in this senses. The same as seeing a lady working at the road construction site, in the night sift, just along with the dudes did - when he first visited my country. As for the way someone sits. Who the fuck cares - just lol. I have to admit that I do sit more like dudes generally do, because it's just more relaxed a position, and I was very much my father's daughter - meaning that I got to the habit for copying his mannerisms as a kid - lol. Pretty much the only reason to sit with your legs as though tied to together is weather you are wearing a short and tight skirt or in case of having to make space for everyone to sit comfortably in a tight space. But hell no - a sitting position is by no means any short of political statement and a person who insists on claiming so - is but making herself plain out ridiculous. So yea - I'll be putting that leg on top of the other the side ways, with my ankle on the tight, as dudes do as well, mostly because it's actually comfortable to lean on the sideways positioned leg with your arms and rest your head over your palms. Well and also, because it is nice to take the weight of from one foot or the other now and then. On one hand, the truth is that - in case you were being told - as a kid that girls don't sit in this way or that - then that part was pure bullshit. But to demand people to sit in way or another because they are not supposed to do it to not be somehow 'evil male' - well that is equally huge a load of dung. It is what I would call in loose translation 'fucking the commas' (those 'half points' within sentences, you know commas) - an actual old way to say something about getting too small about a thing or another, splitting hairs or trying to be too literal. My meaning being - that 'it's what men do, there for bad' - kind of an attitude. In that case, it also is bad that women breast feed a child. Which by the way is utterly natural and normal, never mind where they are at - not something anyone should have any business even having opinions about - because doing so literally shows that they them selves were wee bit perverted to even stare about it for too long. Sometimes I swear the world elsewhere with all these awkwardly bizarre notions about how people should or should not behave has just gone utterly out of it's mind.
"You have not seen what I have seen". Telling this to elrond is such a slap in the face, the dude survived the third kinslaying when he was a child and saw most people he knew be killed by the sons of feanor, he was raised by maglor and maedhros who were the very same perpetrators of this kinslaying. He is fostered by the sons of feanors as a warrior and most probably fought alongside them. He fights in the War of wrath he then sees or hears of his adoptive fathers, who he and his brother had grown very fond of, either commit suicide or go mad with grief trying to fulfill an impossible oath. He then lives to see his brother die of old age. Meanwhile Galadriel on the First age participated in no major battle and chose to sit on the sidelines because she dint believe that the eldar had the power to defeat morgoth. Granted she did survive the crossing of helcaraxe and saw the trees of valinor die, i dont remember how close she was during the 1st kinslaying but it is mentioned that she never took part on the kinslaying and that is why she is granted permission to go back to valinor at the end of the 1st age. If i were to weight who has seen the "most" i would say elrond and by far, despite being the younger of the two.
Galadriel's hair is suposed to have captured the light of the 2 trees. This is shown in Peter Jackson's work by cleaver lighting. This new girl needs the services of a shampoo advert stylist and competent cinematography at the very least.
yes, her hair was supposed to be legendary but it looks awful.
What is "cleaver lighting"? Or did you mean clever lighting?
Tolkien specifically set out to write a mythology for the English people, celebrating the English spirit of the countryside.
He ended up writing a story for all.
@@foreverjune8 Yet you don't have to change it to appreciate it.
@Adam James Yes, he was inspired by a lot of different cultures.
@Adam James just because inspiration builds the authors ideas for his books, doesn’t mean it is the book.
@Adam James The ancient Egyptian mindset of preoccupation with death, not ethnicity as you're assuredly implying.
In a Tolkien context Legolas is fine - the magic of Elves ... I love the scene where Legolas is on top of the snow while the others are walking "in" the snow. Perfect. “Legolas watched them for a while with a smile upon his lips, and then he turned to the others. 'The strongest must seek a way, say you? But I say: let a ploughman plough, but choose an otter for swimming, and for running light over grass and leaf, or over snow--an Elf. '... "Member berries" One thing I don't get is the Asian Indian subcontinent flare in the costuming... I found that styling odd in WoT and here too.
Yesss. Also, the elves are described as not needing any particular protection against the elements, and through the snow they trudge, but Legolas doesnt dent the snow, he skims it, and only wears a light elven cloak. Love it
Yeah plus Legolas also shows a bit of this elven extrasensory perception:
"'To the end of the journey - in the end,' said Gandalf. 'We cannot look too far ahead. Let us be glad that the first stage is safely over. I think we will rest here, not only today but tonight as well. There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there.'
'That is true,' said Legolas. 'But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them: Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago.'"
Tolkien also separately described Legolas: "There was nothing filmy or transparent about the heroic or majestic Eldar of the Third Age of Middle-earth. Long afterwards my father would write, in a wrathful comment on a ‘pretty’ or 'ladylike’ pictorial rendering of Legolas:
’He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgul, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship.’"
Perhaps they think it’ll drive the scam callers away.
@@fantasywind3923 Peter Jackson's adaptation and skinny Orlando Bloom holding that massive L.
It's to make it more appealing to a Chinese audience. The costumes, I mean.
I remember from making of materials of Jacksons LOTR that actor playing King Theoden was dressing up in his costume for the first time. And he noticed that his armour has a hand embroidered underlay of Rohan sygils. And he sad: " Now I feel like a king". That's the level of effort that the team making LOTR movies put to making everything look and feel great.
The funny part is that forgetting the past is precisely how you die with it. You have to acknowledge the past first to learn from it, and then you can surpass your predecessors from whatever lessons you gained from studying it.
TL;DR those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
You are based, good sir.
This is just one pillar of their agenda in weakening, dividing, and conquering all of us. And I mean ALL of us, not just one subdivision of humanity.
Amen to that! We really don't want a repetition of WW2 and the 3rd Reich, so never forget the past, teach it to the young so that past atrocities will be remembered, not repeated!
@@brozy5720 Even on a smaller scale, it makes sense. Imagine if you spent hours working on solving a math problem and showed all of your steps. You then find out that the answer you got was wrong… but then your work gets erased. Now you have to start from scratch just to figure out what you did wrong and where it all fell apart in your steps. And you’d probably end up repeating more or less the same mistakes that got you the wrong answer in the first place, probably resulting in a different but still incorrect answer. Funny how that works.
Yeah Sauron was definitely around as well. They are basically switching Galadriel and Elronds characters, which is insane. Elrond literally has the gift of foresight, and was always far more aware than this. And the Hobbit hippie kids who sound like pirates… Writing awful, acting is not believable at all, even the delivery of the lines is a joke. Great video! I like Shad and Nathan together.
Sauron is in this show, though they changed everything about him, including his name, race and appearance. Probably amazon trying to "subvert your expectations" by having a "big reveal" at the end of some season when he changes to Sauron.
@@DarthDiabetus I know who Sauron is in Rings Of Power. I won’t spoil it here. But the information is out, and it could not be more predictable.
I agree with everything you said as well
@@willharper1326 none of you know anything
@@mattrasp1615 Oh but we do. We've seen this same tired routine time and time again. They claim to subvert expectations, but they're so pathetically predictable. We've also heard very clearly what the show runners and cast have said. We know everything.
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them..." - J.R.R. Tolkien
They have not deleted that on their YT vids since it is a direct quote. If I re-wrote it with the Shadow being Bezos and Orcs being Amazon that may be a different story.
"We spared no expense... on the rights. That left nothing for the budget. So we had to shop a Tea-Thangs, the Chinese knockoff company for some of our props." - Amazon (probably)
Lord of the Rings world always felt old, even ancient, because it had a past. People in it respected that past and the causes for many conflict lay in that past. This drivel of "The past is dead, yadda yadda." flies completely into the face of the setting.
Also typically the people of the past ages were far more powerful than the newer folk so they really had respect for the past because of it's greatness. Feanor fought off how many Balrog at once? Wasn't it like 7? and even then he only died because he was so angry he burnt up? lol
Absolutely. I feel the same.
Something I'm really struggling with is their bad age portrayal of some of the elves. Galadriel and Elrond look relatively similarly aged yet she is a few thousand years older than him. But then Celebrimbor looks like a 60yo man and Gil Galad you can tell is an obviously more aged male yet he's younger than galadriel too. I'm really unhappy with 2 castings particularly and it's Celebrimbor and Elrond. What sucks is I love charles Edward's just not as an elf
Yea I'm just also not for short haired elves
Gil glad is also younger than Elrond so shouldn't look so old Peter Jackson did him better (even if he wasn't at helm's deep, it was a nice addition) I can't remember if celebrimbor is younger older or same age but still, elves were ageless they looked young even if thousands of years old
Scratch that Elrond is younger than gil galad my mistake still elves don't age after reaching adulthood, arwen only aged when she gave up immortality for Aragorn, aging is a choice but once made cannot be undone
@@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878 gil galad could never had appeard at helmsdeep. He died 3000 years earlier. Do you mean perhaps Glorfindel?
@@jarlnils435 nope just had a giant brain fart and realised I'd mixed up haldir glorfindel and gil galad XD you know cos sometimes your brain stops working
Being familiar with the Silmarillion, I knew what they were talking about right away with the sunrise, that they were referring to the light of Laurelin and Telperion. That said, they probably didn't visually convey that very well to anyone who didn't already know the reference. It does look like a sunrise is coming from behind the trees.
Another shot close up, maybe rotating around and dwelling on the trees might have communicated that better.
Bernard Hill (King Théoden) bought himself a stool for sitting on during scenes; since he couldn't keep doffing and donning his armour - totally understandable!
But some of the crew took the stool away over a weekend without asking and molded horse and other Rohan motifs on it before putting new 'kingly' leather on it... A stool fit for a King.
That's shows the level they went to for the Lord of the Rings, with 20yrs of 'progress' and the backing of one of the biggest corporations I expect them to out-do that.
Total budget for the LOTR trilogy was 281 million dollars for all 3 movies. Even accounting for inflation using 1999 dollars for the worse case scenario the LOTR trilogy would clock in at a budget of 477 million in 2022 dollars. Almost half of what the hobbit trilogy cost and likely a paltry amount compared to this travesty. Where did the money go? This thing has no soul.
There is a similar story to that regarding Ian McKellen. I think it was during the filming of The Hobbit (so not the good old days like LOTR, but still under Jackson)- he was struggling with everything being filmed with green screen and felt extremely lonely and out of character (because his dwarf co-actors were replaced with sticks and photographs instead of real actors). He said it stretched the limits of his acting ability and in LOTR it had been mostly filmed on location with sets (if Gandalf was on a mountain, then he was a damn mountain!). He supposedly broke down and cried, and was still mic'ed so the entire staff including Jackson heard him tearing him up and heard his remarks. If I remember right, the staff went out of the way the next day to decorate an entire space like Rivendell because they knew how much he loved that set in the past, and he greatly appreciated it. I am recounting the story from an interview he did, so it may not be totally correct but it was something like that. Never heard the story about the stool, but it seems in character with the staff and mindset of the staff on the previous productions.
Funny coincidence, but I brought this very story up as well, while explaining to my wife why these trailers look kinda cheap to me.
Most of the time its obvious that the clothes, armor and everything just kinda looks bland, because they didn't bother to put a similar effort in, but in some cases I can't even tell what exactly makes it look so much worse.
Amazon somehow even managed to make the actors faces look anti-epic as if its some highschool theater with a 30$ budget.
Warrior Galadriel: "You have not seen, what I have seen!"
*Warrior Galadriel looks at Elrond with absolute disgust*
Elrond: BITCH I HAVE THE GIFT OF FORESIGHT!! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DID YOUR CROSS GUARD HIT YOU ON THE HEAD?!
As i remember he can see the future only with help of the ring bro...
@@canbostanc8245 Elrond's ring "Vilya" a sapphire stone set in a golden band considered the mightiest of the three given to the elves in the Second age had the ability To heal life and also Preserve it, It was a ring of the air and also belonged to Gil - Galad before he gave it to Elrond. The ring isn't what allows Elrond to use his foresight I honestly think he mainly has his visions of the future while he sleeps but it's not from him wearing his ring I know that. The ring "Nenya" was given to Galadriel it had a Mithril band with set stone of white and had the powers to preserve and conceal things from the sight of evil, this is how she was able to protect Lothlorien. The final elven ring is "Narya" worn by Gandalf after it was gifted to him by Cirdan the Shipwright when he met Gandalf and recognized him as one of the Maiar. Narya was a ring that consisted of a ruby set in a golden band and had the power to inspire others, and the power to resist tyranny, domination, and despair and also gave resistance to the weariness of time. So respectfully no Elrond's ring was not what allowed him to have his visions
I just wish they had done a D&D tv series. Plenty of scope to make an epic saga from all sorts of different times and places within the verse.
I think Vox Machina is what you're looking for, though it's animated instead of live action.
This could have been an amazing generic fantasy series… but they had to hitch this wagon to Tolkien. That was the first and last mistake they made as they have shown no desire to revere the works of the father of modern fantasy.
@@14112ido i enjoyed vox, but I do think this being just a generic dnd story would be better than trying to coast on the LOTR name and it being a classic high fantasy would separate it from vox enough to have them be treated by the audience as two different shows and not compare them
@@DZ1xgaming They could have brought Tolkien to life and had the definition of a gold mine. But no, they had to do this.
@@14112ido I watched the first episode but I couldn't really get into it.
I think not really having a main character really hurts the story.
I think something like adapting Drizzt Do'Urden would be much better.
Before the First Age, the Sun and the Moon had not yet been created. Light was given to Aman (the Undying Lands) by the Two Trees. Laurelin gave a golden light, and Telperion, which gave silver light. These were called The Years of the Trees. Galadriel was among the oldest of Elves who had seen the light of the Trees and captured the brilliance of their light upon herself. The Sun and Moon are said to be mere pale imitations of the brilliance of the Trees' light.
I read the Silmarillion and the trilogy books many decades ago, so have forgotten....in the Peter Jackson movies, as they are getting ready to send the Fellowship off down the river in those little boats, Galadriel hands that bottle of light to Frodo, and says something about it being their most beloved star. Do you remember that scene? I can't remember exactly what she's referring to when she tells Frodo that. Thanks in advance if you can answer this!
@@Doxymeister The light of Eärendil. Eärendil the Mariner sails his ship Vingilótë across the heavens. And as he bears one of the Silmarils, the light it gives is seen as a bright star across the sky.
@@Ψυχήμίασμα Ah, thank you! My poor old brain has trouble sorting all these little details any more. Appreciated!
One other thing can be said: the context for the Dwarf saying "this might be beginning of a new era", it seems he is saying that holding a piece of mithril, the discovery of this precious metal was a catalyst of the establishment of elven realm of Eregion at the foot of the mountains near dwarf-kingdom of Moria, though whether the lore will remain intact is another thing entirely!
"Later some of the Noldor went to Eregion, upon the west of the Misty Mountains, and near to the West-gate of Moria. This they did because they learned that _mithril _had been discovered in Moria. The Noldor were great craftsmen and less unfriendly to the Dwarves than the Sindar; but the friendship that grew up between the people of Durin and the Elven-smiths of Eregion was the
closest that there has ever been between the two races. Celebrimbor was lord of Eregion and the greatest of their craftsmen; he was descended from Fëanor."
So basically that's the only line spoken in the trailer that has any context :).
In terms of hobbits, the three types correspond roughly with the three ethnicities in Britain. There are Harfoot, swarthy and hardy, representing the native Britons, Stoors, broader and stockier folk, representing the Anglo-Saxons, and Fallohides, taller and fairer folk representing the Normans.
Unless Rings of Power is telling me that all Celts are black, I'm not sure how to take their changes with this context.
Yes, they're all supposed to be native British in their culture and visuals.
Your right, Julius Caesar described the Britons as dark, but the Anglo-Saxons were suprisingly tall something like 5 foot 9 inches on average.
Please cite a source to verify this insane theory thanks
@@chrisseymour2848 They are taller than the Britons (Welsh miners come in mind), but not as tall as the Normans. Thus also are Stoor to Harfoot and Fallohide.
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 It came to me in a dream.
50:56 That is new Amazon human character Halbrand who is reportedly...Sauron in disguise.
1. Looks cheap
2. Elrond looks older than Galadriel when she's supposed to be his much older mother-in-law.
3. Celeborn is supposedly dead
4. Tar-Miriel is Queen Regent and Pharazon is just her advisor. Born in the 3000's...after the rings were created.
5. Why do the male elves all look so old?
6. Gil-Galahd looks like a Roman emperor
7. Numenoreans were seafaring not horse-lords with mounted cavalry.
8. "Hobbits" look like ragged hippies who grow crops in their hair..well they are nomads in this which isn't conducive to farming.
9. "Hobbit" waddle like penguins because the feet prosthetics are overly large and floppy.
10. 2 Durins alive at the same time (not supposed to happen)
11. Meteor man is supposed to go on a journey with hobbits. Doesn't speak. Speculation is that he's Gandalf.
✔giant craptastic desecration if Tolkien lore.
Halbrand, masculine white man, definetly evil, also rip of Aragorns second in command Halbarad much Amazon?
Numenoreans were a powerhouse of a nation, they could have had any type of army therefore they probably had an army of cavalry coz heavy cavalry is the strongest military you could have with Medieval tech level.
"Long afterwards my father would write, in a wrathful comment on a ‘pretty’ or ‘ladylike’ pictorial rendering of Legolas:
He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgûl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship."
Book of Lost Tales 2
So epic, gave me chills. Unlike this rings of power crap, that just gives me depression lol.
When I read that I picture a young redwood or sequoia, perhaps a couple hundred years old, graceful but strong, able to endure fire and the many centuries.
Peter Jackson and skinny Orlando Bloom holding that L.
And we are not even talking about the Noldorin kind.
@@servus_incognitus to be fair, Orlando Bloom's Legolas was that much of a Chad.
Glory killing a Mumakil!
"Forget the past or you'll die with it" Well, I think I have to dissent and go with... "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"
In RL, you forget the past at your own peril. How much more so in Middle Earth, where the more ancient an entity is, the more powerful it tends to be? Compare Melkor to Sauron, or Ancalagon to Smaug. Gandalf feared the Balrog because he knew the power of such ancient evils.
I'd love to see Mr. The Past is Dead get eaten by one of Ungoliant's brood...
PS: Moob plates... moob plates EVERYWHERE...
So as we can see on Shad and Nathan's reaction anyone not familiar with the two threes will likely not understand whats going on there. So thats made for those of us who know the lore - but than why do they go so much out of their way to piss us off with nearly all the rest by ignoring and breaking it left and right?
Its part bait and switch, part member berry tactic i think.
Probably hoping that some call backs will win them some favor? Honestly, a lot of the logic that seems to be going around seems to be:
"Lets make a show, but how do we sell it? Exec: Lets just buy the rights to a popular franchise. The main writers (usually a newbie or someone that doesn't know/care about the original) then write whatever, while the people who knows their stuff try to sneak in something (anything) that actually fits."
Not so much maliciousness but a lot of incompetency and nepotism (usually). "I have a friend who says they are a good writer, I'll just hire them and save some money".
Thats honestly what baffled me the most as well.
They somehow want to appease the nerds with lesser known lore stuff while completely ignoring the lore at the same time.
I have a feeling that this entire thing will be a disaster.
If they are so extremely confused when creating a trailer, what can you expect from an entire season?
The wheel of time show was written by adult children for adult children..soft..squishy..sheltered adult children..this will be no different.
The Wheel of Time could have been for Amazon what Game of Thrones was for HBO....Only they could have ended on a high note. It could have been a masterpiece. Had they thrown all of their money at The Wheel of Time, and been faithful to the material...it could have been a thing of legends. But instead they treated it like a 2nd tier joke.
@@luxintenebris1776 it had the possibility to be a true epic but season one vandalised the characters and story to an irreparable point.children trying to paint a Picasso and then blaming the painting for their failure.
@@silusnode Well said Lord Captain Commander. Rand's deeds and reveal were sacrificed for the sake of empowering other characters. Perrin's depth and internal struggles were cut. Mat's character was flat out assassinated with how he was portrayed. Abell Cauthon, a man renowned for his honesty and good nature was reduced to an abusive drunkard. And perhaps the greatest sin - the pivotal story driving motivation behind why Lews Therin Telamon sealed the bore was utterly bastardized.
Instead of a last ditch desperate effort at the culmination of a multi-year war of attrition, in which the armies of the Light were losing, with the very fate of reality hanging in the balance: the show would have us believe that Lews Therin Telamon simply woke up one day and decided to try to seal the Dark One away (who seems to have always been free) just for the heck of it. No war, no desperation, just "arrogance".
It's so compelling, I could puke.
My father introduced me to The Wheel of Time. I read the books at least once a year. They are my favorite book series and will forever hold a place in my heart. But what Amazon did is a crime far worse than Leman's Sin. They have Toh.
Amazon's WOT is an exercise in hatred and disdain for the source material. It couldn't be *that* bad without ill-intent.
My main and biggest problem with Rings of Power is that it is a desecration of JRR Tolkien, this is my judgment from everything amazon has said and done. There is no quality of scenery or cast of actors that can change my mind on this matter.
Thanks for another splended video lads, I look forward to your next one
You aren’t wrong. If you aren’t going to make Tolkien then don’t use the man’s name to sell your product. greedy corporate ghouls
its also attack on English culture
@@Steven9567 and European mythology and white people in general.
"Attack on English Culture" "And European Mythology and white people in general." I recommend you both read Tolkien's letters where he was commenting on his works being called a "Nordic." See, the Nazi Party and other nationalist groups were trying to hold his writings in reverence of a Germanic-Nordic ideal of a northern European race and culture. ie: white euro-nationalism. He tore it apart, he said Middle-earth might be closer in geography to the northern coastlines of Europe, but they that Middle-earth is not Europe and its not Nordic. minas Tirith is closer to the climate and latitude of Florence in Italy, Pelargir is closer to Troy in Turkey, and Harad close to the Levant in climate. Tolkien drew Middle-earth as an entire globe with multiple continents and said that Middle-earth is the earth and all the peoples in it, but at an earlier stage, and not simply Europe. The people of Harad are black and brown, the people of Rhun are tan and yellow-ish skin, the people of Bree are brown and short, the druedain are dark skinned and dark haired. The men of Gondor, save the nobility, are swarthy and short such as the men of Lossarnach. This white only and eurocentric only Middle-earth is not the one Tolkien stated he envisioned and if seeing black actors in a show about Middle-earth(All of it, not just the north/western parts) makes you feel attacked, then you've lost your senses. And people misquote him saying "A mythology for England" but they don't read the next line where he says "Ridiculous." Why Tolkien had to write this nearly 80 years ago and yet its still being thrown around today is ridiculous.
Then you also aren't allowed to like the LotR movies. When Tolkiens Son doesn't even like these movies because they transformed the books into "action blockbusters", Tolkien himself would probably think the same.
I miss the days when I would look forward to movies and shows.
Thank you Shad for pointing all the bull crap out in these shows. I'm not the only one sick of it.
39:45 there’s no way Elrond would even question Galadriel too. They ironically made Galadriel weaker. Just goes to show how they’re just treating this like a teenage drama.
28:00 There has been conflict. The show is set in the Second Age. The first age began with the death of the Two Trees and the creation of the Sun and the Moon. The trees were destroyed by Morgoth, basically Satan. Galadriel was already alive then, and she was the daughter of the leader of a faction of High Elves. Her uncle, the creator of the Silmarils, which Morgoth stole, has killed a bunch of elves to steal their ships, in an event called the Kinslaying, and took them to Middle Earth, chasing Morgoth. Then there was war that lasted the entire First Age, about 500 years, towards the end of which Elrond was born, where Morgoth was defeated again and sealed away, an event that ended the War of Wrath and the Second Age, and ushered in the Second Age. By the time Elrond is an adult, Galadriel has seen the great peace of the Age of the Trees, the destruction of those trees, the creation of the Sun and Moon, the Kinslaying, the War of Wrath, the Fall of Gondolin, the Fall of Doriath, the imprisonment of Morgoth, the destruction of Beleriand, a continent sized piece of Middle Earth, and the establishment of the Last Noldor kingdom in Lindon by Gil-Galad. Whose page and herald was Elrond.
Mind you, Galadriel, who is of royal blood, one of the oldest living Elves in Middle Earth in the Second Age, and probably the oldest Noldor Elf, and who is by and large considered one of the wisest of her kind, and likewise powerful, was never said to have been a warrior. At the time the show is set, she would have been living in Eregion with her husband Celeborn, raising her daughter who would later marry Elrond. As far as we know, the one and only time Galadriel participated in war was when she destroyed Sauron's fortress of Dol Guldur at the end of the War of the Ring.
The first age did not begin with the destruction of the trees though?
@@spacejunk2186 :) It did - with first sunrise.
@@kuna129 First age started with awaking of the elves, not with the death of the trees.
7:40 No, I think they mean it quite literally. The creation of the sun and the moon is the beginning of the First Age, so only 500 years or so before Elrond was born. Before that, the world was illuminated by the Two Trees, the fruits of which became the sun and the moon. And before the trees, Arda was illuminated by the Great Lamps.
22:27 Shad goes berserk. Admire his passion for back scabbards.
The Silmarillion is one of my favourite books of all time. (Inc obviously The Ainulindalë, The Akallabeth etc etc) i was thinking of writing all the ways that this is wrong. Some big ones are Galadriel has absolutely nothing to do with the Fall of Nümenor (Akallabeth). She also doesnt have visions or foresight of this (or in general as far as i know) also.. her hair is supposed to glow with the light of Laurelin.. the golden tree of Valinor, created by Yavanna A Valar (one of the Angelic beings (Ainur) who was first created by Eru), in other words one of the oldest most celestial golden lights in existance.
Just make her hair glow a bit come on.
Well, to be fair, at some point she acquires or creates the Mirror of Galadriel, which does enable her to view the past, the present, and some possible futures. This is described in the trilogy.
7:30 Shad, millenia before the sun and the moon were created they had two trees that created a golden light and a silvery light. Morgoth had Ungoliant, Sheloab's mother, eat the trees to steal their light... And millennia before THAT there were lanterns on either side of the world that put out gold or silver light. You can clearly see that the trees are giving off light in that same scene...
10:20 These dwarves are the descendants of the Knights who say Ni, they are very proud of their shrubberies.
11:30 Shad its obvious, just "turn off your minds and clap" its the middle earth equivalent of the sequels in Star Wars. "I SAW A SHORT PERSON AND I CLAPPED! IT BROKE NEW GROUND!"
14:00 The Shire was attacked by a genetic weapon created by Sauron, it turned all the hobbits white!
29:10 The idea that humble Elrond would even TELL Galadriel, his mother-in-law, that she NEEDS to do something is just hilarious. The guy who became a carpenter and built a house instead of a fortress because he wanted to have a home and not a kingdom... COMMANDING Galadriel... also Amazon describes him as an ambitious politician...
35:40 False, elves are not slender, they are actually very muscular and run from being tall to being really tall. Its just that while humans put on more mass the elves tended to have denser muscles like Bruce Lee, but even that isn't 100% as some elves were insanely muscular.
39:00 This is most likely a battle from the "War for the Elves" from the earlier age before Elrond was born, when the Archangels came to middle earth to defeat the Lucifer character named Morgoth or Melkior, he had multiple names because of things. Morgoth was one of the architects of Middle Earth, sent here by God to create the world. He was prideful and liked to walk around as a mountain range that spewed forth freezing magma and had a storm cloud above his head that created a constant crown of lightning. Keep in mind he was an actual moving mountainrange and not a human sized "mountainrange".
1:22:30 Only part I've disagreed with so far, I could see them using a thin, hardened leather bra under the scales to make sure her royal highness' huge tracts of land don't get crushed or shaped in an awkward way.
i thought the lanterns came after the trees?, in that teh trees were 'eaten' but some light was saved and put into lanterns after that?
They’re gonna make Elrond and Galadriel fuk.
@@Guardian582 No, the lanterns came first, when Arda, the world, was perfect and symmetrical. Melkor came about, destroyed the lamps, broke the earth apart creating the continents, and was imprisoned by the Valar. Then the Trees were created, then Morgoth decided to play dirty again and destroyed them with Ungoliant, but a fruit of each of the trees was saved, and those fruits became the Sun and the Moon.
He says it turned all the hobbits white😂😂😂
@@Guardian582 That sounds like a natural progression, but its actually the reverse. The lanterns were broken by Morgoth and the Valar turned them into trees because evil doesn't get to win. Then evil ate the trees and the Valar took the last remenants of the trees and gave them to two Ainur to carry into the sky.
49:41 Prediction: Galadriel wants to fight (as we know from the trailer), Elrond advises against it (as we know from the trailer), so, Galadriel journeys to the realms of men in order to maybe have her warning fall upon open ears. Hence, her riding in a cavalry charge with humans. Then, probably late in the show, the elves realize she was right all along and join in heroically at just the right moment. They apologize and present her with a high station where we find her in Lord of The Rings. I won’t be watching the show because I don’t have Amazon Prime, but you can get back with me if I was right.
@@Kiltzombie That may be the case, but that doesn’t mean that’s what Amazon is going to do. There are rumors that Tom Shippey, a renowned Tolkien scholar, either quit or was fired for making script suggestions that wouldn’t break lore. I cannot verify the validity of the rumor; only that he isn’t presently involved for reasons undisclosed. From what I can find, why he left or in what manner is entirely speculative.
In the Legendarium before the Sun and the Moon the cycle of nigth and day was made by the two tress, the Sun and the Moon are two "fruits" of those trees.
Plus, as Just Some Guy pointed out, there's pretty much no way the isolated Hobbits of the pre-Third Age would know any of this history. Why are they telling the story?
It would have been so easy to have a voice over say something like "the great evil of Morgoth has been defeated, and peace rules over all the races. However, there is a presence stirring, and not everything is as it seems."
Too much logical and faithful to the original lore. Apparently they are better writers and storytellers than Tolkien.
As a fan of Lord Of The Rings and as someone who admires and respects J.R.R. Tolkien, this show looks like an insult and a disgrace to his memory. I'm not someone that mindlessly consumes. I wonder what MauLer and the rest of the EFAP crew have to say about this, I wish Wolf was here. Impressive work as always Shad and crew.
Agreed. I'm glad Wolf is doing better after disconnecting from the internet, but boy do I hope he makes a special guest appearance on EFAP for Rings of Power.
@@RiylanCorma I still remember his game of thrones rant. "Tolkien would have raped him and loved it."
@@RiylanCorma Well the 200th episode is coming up in the next month or two… that’d be a good time to make a cameo
And it releases on the date of his death
@@Hero_Of_Old Really?
39:15 Another youtuber (Galu) suggested that this might be the aftermath of the Kin-slaying of Alqualonde, which happened roughly 500 years before Elrond was born. In some versions, Galadriel fights other Noldor at the side of her hubby, Celeborn. If that is the case, then no, Elrond would not have witnessed this, and would have, at best, only heard second-hand tales of it. Elrond also was born after the big battles of the Wars of Beleriand (save for one, more of that later), although canonically Galadriel spent pretty much all that time in Doriath, safe and sound (except perhaps the two Sackings of Doriath). However, Elrond himself survived the Third Kin-slaying, when the surviving Sons of Feanor attacked the refugee settlement at the mouth of Sirion. Elrond and Elros, still kids, survived since Maglor took them under his wing and protected them. Still, Elrond would have seen some bad stuff, and most importantly, the War of Wrath that literally destroyed Beleriand came after that. It can be debated how much Elrond actually was involved in that conflict.
Was celeborn present at the first kinslaying though? I thought he was one of the sindar who never went to valinor.
I think they alluding to a vision of Sauron
@@cpt.riptide473 That's why I said "some versions". There are several versions of Celeborn's background (Unfinished Tales: THE HISTORY OF GALADRIEL AND CELEBORN). One is that he was a sindar elf in Doriath. Another has him as a nephew of Olwe in Alqualonde. In that one, he and Galadriel hooked up already in Aman, fought against Feanor & his followers at Alquelonde, managing to save Celeborn's ship, and then used that, separately, to cross the Great Sea to Beleriand. In that version, Galadriel never crosses Helcaraxe.
EDIT: Just to clarify a bit. Even in another version where Celeborn is a sinda, Galadriel is said to have fought for the Teleri, her mother's people, at Alqualonde. In this case, she would have marched across Helcaraxe with her kin, while Feanor's group would have sailed across on stolen ships.
There also might be a degree of tension between Galadriel and Elrond because Elrond was essentially raised by Maglor and Maedhros.
@@cpt.riptide473 there are two versions of the story. One where Celeborn is Sindarin and one where he is Telerin.
The reason why there is such a disconnect with presenting the statement that the world is young, before the sunrise and then showing ruins and speaking of ages of conflict is that Amazon is taking approximately 3,000 years of history and picking out just the highlight, major events and condensing them all into a VERY short period of time....not just jumping ahead through time to show the passage of time quicker like doing a “many hundreds of years later” type of thing, but actually making events that were separated by hundreds, even thousands of years, contemporaneous with each other.
This story doesn’t work for a serialised tv format, too many events are cross generational, there are no characters to anchor the narrative. For example the fall of Numenor occurs over multiple generations. It would be the same as trying to adapt all of Greek Myth into a series with a single narrative. It cannot be done while staying true to the source material
Perhaps then they should have chosen different source material if they couldn’t do this justice. If you’re gonna do it, do it right or not at all.
@@waylander9265 you'd pretty much have to make a bunch of short storie which would actually be kind of cool. Sadly it's too much effort for anyone who relies solely on IP to bring people in.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”
8:42
As it said in the trailer. There was no sun in the world in the beginning, and those two trees of Valinor were what gave light to the world of Arda. After Melkor destroyed the two trees, the Valar used the last of the trees (probably something more specific, but its was a part of the trees) to make the sun and the moon and then cast them into the sky.
40:50 Why is Galadriel saying "...what I have seen." with a smile? She has foreseen the death/destruction of her people, Middle Earth, or both and she delivers the line with a smile! (On top of the calm non-urgent presentation Shad and Nate discuss at that moment)
With that bunny teeth too
I hate that Amazon is treating this like fantasy. I mean it is fantasy in a sense. But it was written to be a grounded mythology for England so whatever is depicted should naturally lead into our real world history of England
Despite Valinor being an ocean away?
@@inarencommander4663 I understand Valinor being a much more magical and fantastic place, and even Numenor being almost Atlantean as it relates to our real world mythology.
My comment about fantasy elements being more grounded was more in relation to how armor and weaponry are treated. I just don't like "fantasy" used as an excuse for laziness in design
The Alan Lee art felt very dark age, look at the art for Turin and his dragon helm, its quite reminiscent of the coppergate helmet.
@@williamowens Tolkien prob imagined the 3rd age armor similiar to the armor and weaponry of the early middle ages aka angle saxon vs vikings period, though the elves were known for being almost perfect and doing everything better thanks to their interaction with the valar (the first elves that is).
@@aesir1ases64 I agree
In order:
- "There was a time when the world was so young..." while showing ruins - This is a really subtle nod to the idea that what is going to be said happened before the current age, which is 2 "ages" before the "main" story detailed in the Red Book. It's not necessarily incongruous, as some would survive from that time, and others are being born that would need that foundation - Elrond, for example, is "old" in LotR, over 6000 years old, but was actually born hundreds or even thousands of years after some of the most pivotal and world shaping battles and events. For him to be around, which we know he is, it has been thousands of years since the start of the War of the Jewels, hundreds of years since the start of the First Age, and decades since the Second Kinslaying. Although it may still be the end of the First, or beginning of the Second Age, there would be ruins. It's saying "Things are already old, but there was a time when this happened."
- The first sunrise actually only occurred 590 years before the start of the Second Age, millennia after the the Elves had already awoken. Galadriel was 138 when the Time of Trees ended, and Elrond would not be born for another 532 years.
- "Is this not a sunrise, is this the trees giving light?" Yes. Prior to the sundering where Melkor and Ungoliant destroy the two trees (in 1495 Y.T, 5 years before the Sun is set on its course,) the light came from The Two Trees of Valinor, also known as the Trees of the Valar. They were Laurelin (the Gold Tree) and Telperion (the Silver Tree).
- "You've fought long enough Galadriel." No? Whilst She did (apparently) follow the Ñoldor exiles in their flight from Valinor to Middle Earth, she did not take part in any of the Battles or Kinslayings. It was because she took no part that she was offered the chance to return to Valinor with the others, where the Sons of Fëanor and those who followed Gil-Galad did not. In one his last essays Tolkien actually removed her from the company of the Ñoldor completely, as her presence and inactivity made no impact on any battle or event, and she sails to Middle Earth independently on a ship of her own design and construction.
- Imagine being 600 years old and having a teenager telling you what to do. Whilst Galadriel is full of piss and vinegar in the First when she was in Valinor, in Middle Earth she has wizened - especially after losing two brothers, and displays more quiet power and subtle sorceries. Also, cannonically, she is a giant, standing at 6'4" and all except her brothers had to look up to her. Elrond was not particularly tall for an Elf.
- Yep, if they can besmirch Tolkien's legacy, have a "strong, independent woman" and piss of millions of fans all in one go, that's the golden trifecta for Wokazon.
- Galadriel's flashback could be "Dagor Bragollach" where Morgoth struck back against the leagues of Ñoldor, breaks the Siege of Angband and kills Fingolfin in a duel, and loosed Glaurung the first Dragon upon the Elves. It happened 77 years before Elrond was born. It was the start of the 135 years that lead up to the War of Wrath, leading to Morgoth's defeat and the start of the Second Age. Elrond is 58 when Morgoth is sent to the void.
- "The past is dead, we either move on or die with it." That could be referencing Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the Battle of Unnumbered Tears, where the Union of Maedhros and the cohesion of the Elvish, Dwarvish and Human forces was broken. It could very well be meant to dissuade a younger Human from mindlessly following the Elves based on previous alliances, and the Humans will forge their own destiny.
- The impact crater scene is meant to evoke imagery of the Eye of Sauron.
- The Harfoots lived in the lower foothills of the Misty Mountains in the Vales of Anduin, they migrated westward into Eriador, beginning the "Wandering Days" of the Hobbit peoples. They were first recorded in Arnorian records around T.A. 1050 - nearly 5000 years after the start of the Second age.
- It all looks so "clean."
Most of this presupposes the showrunners actually know a single thing about Tolkien lore, or that they actually care. Which I know they don't.
The meteor men isn't Sauron it's Halbrand so their imagery with the eye of Sauron is deceptive.
Also it makes no sense for Elendil to say these sentences about the past.
@@rpgadventurer32 How a mortal man can survive being surrounded by fire(and then there is a further scene showing meteor man absorbing the flames?!?)...? It does make sense being a maiar... Sauron, an istari or otherwise.
@@rpgadventurer32 Halbrand isn't real. He doesn't exist. I never said it was accurate, only that it was a deliberate visual choice.
I didn't say it made sense. I'm just hoping.
Saying you should not care about the past in a prequel is a warning you should not watch it.
Galadriel didn't see the wars that happend in Beleriand.
THIS IS GENERIC FANTASY PRODUCT. Nothing more.
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Why does Galadriel need a sword she's walking power.
THIS
It is the only way they know how to portray a progressively strong female character.
yep
Don't know what's better; Shad's rants or his fresh haircut.
"Big Elven Trees of some significance"
Yea SOME significance.....like the actual pre-cursors to the Sun and Moon themselves...and the Pieces of the world used to construct the Silmarillions themselves.
I always like the fact that you make this long videos, its very nice to have as background while doing stuff, only tabbing in when you guys point to look at something.
The more I learn about this show, the more I get the feeling that a lot of the money went into 'administrative costs' more so than actual production.
Like a way for executives and administrators to take money from the budget and inflate their own pay checks or put that money into specific areas that they've invest in to increase their investment before selling out.
just something doesn't feel right beyond simply the diarrhea based desecration of a dead man's work, name, and fans.
We are in an age of corruption. Giving people vast amounts of money they don't deserve in the slightest way, is the very definition of corruption.
Elrond: "I've seen enough!"
Glados: "Nuh-uh!"
Rewards for everyone!
I was honestly expecting it to devolve into "I did see enough!", "Did not!", "Did too!", "Mommy!".
These guys are pure, unbiased, straight shooters. Very enjoyable to watch their observations.
yes. I'm So glad this is here. I haven't even started watching yet but the FIRST things I noticed in these trailers is how atrocious the weapon and armor design is in this show. Please Shad, Commence the evisceration.
In Peter Jackson's rings, they employed local artisans specialising in all kinds of craft to create every little thing, from gargantuan sets to small chains on armour. Everything was authentic, hand made, intricate to the last detail, practical and stunning. I had the honour of seeing many of the beautiful props, working in Wanaka during the filming of the 1st. So much research and love went into the whole production.
There's a great doco on UA-cam that does into great detail of it all.
Already, this TV series feels like a cheap (but expensive) mockery.
the harfoots felt they were safe because they never settled in one place, they kept themselves away from civilization. (you know, so far from any civilization that they never existed..)
saying the world is young is a misnomer, as even when the world is young, a very long time passed before the numenorians came around, and they were a very long lived race (just useing them as an example.)
morgoth and sauron were around for a while before the wizards came along.
the wizards are Maia, or Maiar who were sent to middle earth later to help mankind deal with sauron.
i dont remember what the trees are called, but thats a weird image to put in as at one time those trees were the source of light and power for the anuir, and part of the lore was that morgoth schemed to steal their light. he eventually destroyed them.
i think it was after this that Fëanor forged the Silmarils inorder to replace the light of the trees, and morgoth stole these... and eventually, after ALOT of people died, 1 simaril was recovered.
so im really questioning the time frame of all this as elrond is elrond half-elven, and im pretty sure he came along after all that.
"I can _feel_ your anger... It makes you focused, makes you stronger..."
So regarding the silmarillion , which I'm reading with some difficulty now towards the end , the two trees were created by yavanna , because the sun and moon weren't made yet . They brought constant light to the world , so there was no sunrise at the point if the story . When morgoth kills the two trees , then the sun and moon were made too create the first sunrise and set . The problem is is that the trees were destroyed in the 1st age of the world from what I understand , and this series is set in the second I believe. That shot has to be a flashback or something or other .and the harefoots are the ancient predecessors to the hobbits .
The terminal list is AMAZING, go see that.
I agree, it was refreshingly good!
9:22 - Yes. Telperion the Silver and Laurelin the Gold were the two trees of Valinor from which all light came until their destruction. Ultimately the remains of the trees are what spawn the Sun and the Moon.
Thanks to FNT apperiences Shad I found your channel and I fuckin love it! Brutally honest and entertaining content, I love your takes on the shit that is coming out these days so I don't have to sit though the pain. Keep up the great stuff!
The "red" scene of memory? Oh that's just Galadrivel's latest acid trip and she's not come down yet. That's also why she sounds like a petulant child.
Also: Knights, please just read the Silmarillion, you really need it to understand all the faults and inventions (as the show's not going to tell you, as evidenced by lack of explaination here).
Burst out laughing at "Galadriel and some guy on a horse". That guy on the horse's supposed to be Elendil the (in the show not so) Tall. Let the cringe ensue.
53:05 Clearly, they outsourced the horse armor to Bethesda.
it just works.
it is actual LOTR lore that the light used to come from 2 trees (although they were on different sides of the (flat) world, one would shine at a time with a twilight in the middle where they were both dim. and there was no sun at this time. both were destroyed in the first age and the sylmirils have the last of their light
Shad needs to read up on the Lore and maybe Read the Silmarilion before he starts criticizing this.
Even if the trees are accurate it better just be a freaking flashback
Actually it was the two lamps that were on different sides of the world, the two trees were side by side, which is was Ungoliant was able to "drink" them one immediately after the other.
@@MrChickennugget360 fair, but the way they are shown is still wrong
Actually, it is not "LOTR lore". The sun and moon from fruit and flower of the Two Trees is mythology not found in Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit (as revised). In fact, Tolkien deliberately revised The Hobbit to exclude that myth, and the sun and moon existed when the Elves awoke.
"Before the first sunrise ' absolutely makes sense since all the light came from the Trees and the sun and the stars were created after the trees were destroyed
The sun and moon you mean. The elves were born under starlight :)
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23:20 Hey Shad regarding you saying you could have consulted, Disparu gave you a shoutout for this exact teaser by the saying the same thing.
33:30 In fact, Nathan, if you reverse the roles in that scene, you get the characters as they would have been in the original trilogy.
Indeed, much of Elven history predates the sun, and there are the two great trees of Valinor; Laurelin and Telperion. Elden ring copied Laurelin from the Silmarillion, not the other way around.
I would, and I do complain about the swords with triple-length hilts. Those are straightswords with crossguards. It doesn't fit. They look horrible.
What are you talking about? The twelve-handed sword is obviously the best sword.
i really liked your speech about how they show us that the onlyway to be a strong whoman, is by acting like a man. i have thought about this for a while now. why does holywood love women but hate femininity? as a young woman myself, it's incredebly frustrating to see "strong female characters" being stripped of most femininity.
They like gender swapping.
1:26:00 I was looking at the tack of the horses a little bit more closely, and trying to guess if the actors are horse riders or not, and I noticed that the pole-bearer is holding his pole on the wrong side. You can clearly see a bracket on the outside of his right stirrup, where the butt of the pole is supposed to rest, yet he just casually holds it at his left side. That is another sign of the carelessness with making the props look real. Even if that decoration would be only gold plated, instead of solid gold, he would not be able to hold the pole like that for long, especially if the horse would be moving.
As I was writing this comment, I noticed that you can see two other riders who have their spears/banners seated correctly (one on the very edge on the left, the other way in the back of the row beside that), so they do know it's supposed to be used like that. Maybe they wanted the crest on the pole to be closer to the crest of the helmet, so they made him switch hands instead of having him be on the other side of her.
There was a point in middle earth where there was light but no sun, the time of the trees (i know it's more complicated than that, but that's the simple explanation of it)
I hope Shad gets some blood pressure medicine if he's going to review Rings of Power, he's gonna need it.
He really shouldn't bother. Don't give the series any attention. Let it fail
@@rockinHurley777 On the contrary, I get value from his reviews because A) it saves me from watching the drivel and actually watch something entertaining. B) i don't have to watch it to see how terrible it is, giving amazon less views C) if the review is shorter than the episode I'm saving time, if not then refer to point A
I’m hoping they do watch it. I’m waiting on their overview (amongst a few other channels) before I decide to watch or not. I’m still heavily leaning on not watching it though. I have ZERO hope for Amazon’s series.
@@annaanisa7388 I ain't watching this shit. I'm just waiting for the rage videos on it from Shad, Nerdrotic and MauLer. 10 times as entertaining and I don't give Amazon a cent.
Can someone please explain what Stargate SG1’s Nox are doing in Middle Earth?
Oh poor Elrond...yeah THIS Elrond: "He was as noble and fair as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer." Elrond was born near the end of First Age, he lost his parents, and home (due to treachery of the Feanorians, though the decent sons of Feanor actually raised him and his twin brother, who later chose the life of mortal man the first king of Numenor), he saw the destruction of Beleriand in War of Wrath no doubt and the Host of Valinor, and he was a survivor, as a right hand elf for Gil-galad he was his herald marching with his armies, but also "wise in all lore" and "master of healing" these are strongest aspects of who he is. Also it's weird to see him trying to talk Galadriel into 'forgetting the past' basically when as an elf he now should understand the nostalgia and intense feeling of regret they experience:
"Thereupon Elrond paused a while and sighed. 'I remember well the splendour of their banners,' he said. 'It recalled to me the glory of the Elder Days and the hosts of Beleriand, so many great princes and captains were assembled. And yet not so many, nor so fair, as when Thangorodrim was broken, and the Elves deemed that evil was ended for ever, and it was not so.'
'You remember?' said Frodo, speaking his thought aloud in his astonishment. 'But I thought,' he stammered as Elrond turned towards him, 'I thought that the fall of Gil-galad was a long age ago.'
'So it was indeed,' answered Elrond gravely. 'But my memory reaches back even to the Elder Days. Eärendil was my sire, who was born in Gondolin before its fall; and my mother was Elwing, daughter of Dior, son of Lúthien of Doriath. I have seen three ages in the West of the world, and many defeats, and many fruitless victories.
'I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father's sword, and took it for his own.'"
Part of those events should be more or less portrayed in the tv show.
As Galadriel spoke in book:
"'The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged. Yet they will cast all away rather than submit to Sauron: for they know him now."
elrond along with Gil-galad and Galadreil were one of the few who distrusted this newcomer called Annatar, they knew and believed that the evil was not gone, they found out fairly quickly, king Gil-galad even wrote a letter to the king of Numenor on this warning him!
"When Aldarion left the chamber, Meneldur looked at the letter that his son had given him, wondering; for he saw that it came from King Gil-galad in Lindon. It was sealed and bore his device of white stars upon a blue rondure. 24 Upon the outer fold was written:
Given at Mithlond to the hand of the Lord Aldarion King's Heir of Númenórë, to be delivered to the High King at Armenelos in person.
Then Meneldur broke the seal and read:
Ereinion Gil-galad son of Fingon to Tar-Meneldur of the line of Eärendil, greeting: the Valar keep you and may no shadow fall upon the Isle of Kings. Long I have owed you thanks, for you have so many times sent to me your son Anardil Aldarion: the greatest Elf-friend that now is among Men, as I deem. At this time I ask your pardon, if I have detained him overlong in my service; for I had great need of the knowledge of Men and their tongues which he alone possesses. He has dared many perils to bring me counsel. Of my need he will speak to you; yet he does not guess how great it is, being young and full of hope. Therefore I write this for the eyes of the King of Númenórë only.
A new shadow arises in the East. It is no tyranny of evil Men, as your son believes; but a servant of Morgoth is stirring, and evil things wake again. Each year it gains in strength, for most Men are ripe to its purpose. Not far off is the day, I judge, when it will become too great for the Eldar unaided to withstand. Therefore, whenever I behold a tall ship of the Kings of Men, my heart is eased. And now I make bold to seek your help. If you have any strength of Men to spare, lend it to me, I beg.
Your son will report to you, if you will, all our reasons. But in fine it is his counsel (and that is ever wise) that when assault comes, as it surely will, we should seek to hold the Westlands, where still the Eldar dwell, and Men of your race, whose hearts are not yet darkened. At the least we must defend Eriador about the long rivers west of the mountains that we name Hithaeglir: our chief defence. But in that mountain-wall there is a great gap southward in the land of Calenardhon; and by that way inroad from the East must come. Already enmity creeps along the coast towards it. It could be defended and assault hindered, did we hold some seat of power upon the nearer shore.
So the Lord Aldarion long has seen. At Vinylondë by the mouth of Gwathló he has long laboured to establish such haven, secure against sea and land; but his mighty works have been in vain. He has great knowledge in such matters, for he has learned much of Círdan, and he understands better than any the needs of your great ships. But he has never had men enough; whereas Círdan has no wrights or masons to spare.
The King will know his own needs; but if he will listen with favour to the Lord Aldarion, and support him as he may, then hope will be greater in the world. The memories of the First Age are dim, and all things in Middle-earth grow colder. Let not the ancient friendship of Eldar and Dunedain wane also.
Behold! The darkness that is to come is filled with hatred for us, but it hates you no less. The Great Sea will not be too wide for its wings, if it is suffered to come to full growth.
Manwë keep you under the One, and send fair wind to your sails."
Elrond was a right hand elf of that king so he should be fully aware, plus he would only show respect to Galadriel, knowing she can look into minds of others and has other powers like seeing visions of the future in her mirror, plus Elrond himself was foresighted!
Also it should be noted that Galadreil is Elrond's (future) mother-in-law :) for Celebrian her daughter, born some time early in Second Age will be Elrond's wife and mother of his children, Arwen, Elladan and Elrohir :) hehehe.
An excellent synopsis !
You have passion, I'll give you that.
7:35..this is in the Spring of Arda, before the Valar had made the sun and moon and Valinor was lit by the lights of the two Trees of Valinor, Telperion and Laurelin..they were later destroyed, throwing Valinor back into the light of the stars only but the last fruit and flower of the Trees of Valinor were used to make the Sun and Moon to light the earth for the coming of Man...
I do love when Shad going nerd rage... always funny...
I did not want them to ever adapt the 'older' stories of Middle Earth
The mythical feeling Tolkien wanted to convey was captured perfectly in his works
Making it visible destroys that
Their underlying ideals give them the arrogance to think they can adapt anything
you know saying "the past is DEAD" really sounds dumb when your show IS the past
An Aluminium chainmail Shirt ? Thats outrageous!
52:30 the armies of Gondor also used calvary, as depicted in the LOTR trilogy. There was one noteable scene in particular from Return of the King where Faramir lead a charge of calvary towards Osgiliath after Denethor commanded him to take back the stronghold. The orcs fire arrows at the calvary while it’s charging, killing them all. It was a pretty epic scene.
Yess, one of the best scenes. It all happens while Pippin is singing to Denethor.
Shouldn't the cavalry be weaker than the others nation's? As an example the Roman legions were infantry based and often recruited foreign auxiliaries to fill the cavalry ranks. They did have their own cavalry but was noticeably less effective than their Persian or north African counterparts, societies with a greater cultural and military emphasis on cavalry.
@@craigmeisenheimer1835 what? Rome had extremely good cavalry. An army needs to be strong in every aspect. Especially the eastern-roman Times saw the best cavelary of its time.
The books haw the Gondorian knights playing a quite prominent role. (Especially the knights of Dol-Amroth) Peter Jackson did a bad job at really showing Gondor how Tolkien intended it. (I did enjoy the archiecture in the movies, so, at least...:D )
@@leone.6190 They did. I literally say that. They were just not as good as their enemies most of the time, as shown with continuous recruitment of large auxiliary cavalry units. The late and eastern Roman army became cavalry based so it is different. I mean the Roman army at its prime, meaning the early to mid 1st century AD.
Yeah I think the murder and doppleganger of Elronds character was the hardest thing for me. he was one of my favorite parts of the first LotR movie from the opening battles to his attitude and leadership later in the movie.
But I do agree with new Elronds about this trialer.
I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH.
I think this is really it for me as well. Tolkein is very explicit about Elrond's heritage, past and motivations. He's one of the definitively good characters in the 2nd age, and part of his character is the lack of moral quandaries. I can see (from a creator/adaptation stand point) them deciding to go with a more active/warrior role for Galadriel, but I get a really shitty feeling about where Elrond's character is going.
When Elrond in Jack Blacks parody is more lore friendly, you know you've done fucked up.
I always get annoyed where any "medieval-style" decorations and clothing are just monotone bland garbage. There are so many modern cultural views of that period [yes I know this is a different fantasy world, but obviously this is where the influence comes from in the design of these things to some degree] that really need to go.
I typically like Shad's videos anyway, but when I was watching this and saw that the like count was 343 I immediately liked it to change the number in solidarity with Oz.
"I've seen my share." Wow, just wow! You can see where all the production $$'s went when you get that kind of blue ribbon dialogue. The novelization will be going straight to the top of the best sellers list!
These guys really spent an hour and forty minutes of finding ways to hate every little thing in every frame in a two and a half minutes teaser trailer... well mostly the one guy on the left, the other guy just mostly sat there nodding his head and look at the camera
Guys .... read The Silmarillion before commenting on Tolkien's lore, Amazon will prob fuck this show up but they did match some things very nicely in this trailer, specially the first part. Honestly, First Age Tolkien is the most badass piece of lore ever created! If you guys like mythology you will love The Silmarillion.
I like what they are showing us from the numenorean men and some of the elves (minus the weird hairstyle choice) but the Harfoot are an alarming sign ....
My problem is that they don't tell us what the story is. Why should I watch this show? Because it has Obi-, I mean, Elrond in it?
Numenoreans should look like elves, at least when they were young.
Actually, Numenor is said to have advanced cavalry in lore from which also the Rohhirim who came from the north to Gondor sourced later.
Wrong. Númenoreans fought without heavy cavalry because they carry too much equipment to battle and like to fight more compact. They didn't even mount It as light cavalry, they let that for their middle-men allies as mounted archers.
The Rohirim do not hail from Numenor, either by blood nor by culture, their ancestors seemed to have lived in Rhovanion almost since the awakening of men, and moved south during the third age to avoid slavery, and after assisting Gondor in war they were given Rohan as homeland and became the Rohirrim.
Aluminum armor! You've got to keep the Investiture out!
I completely missed the person in the meteor my first time through. I'm not confident who he is, but I agree that he seems much more relevant than the majority of the trailer implies.
I actually read the Silmarillion, so I caught the trees of light right away. It made me relate to Nathan watching Obi-Wan, since I really want to see Morgoth and Ungoliant, but I am very concerned by the rest of the teaser. I have also seen comments that say that this teaser targets people who have read the Silmarillion, which seems to be the case. It really shouldn't, since that demographic is not only small, but it is the least likely to appreciate their lore breaking.
The trees are actually correct - the Valar started by lighting the world with giant lamps, which Melkor destroyed, and then their second attempt was a golden tree to ligh tthe day and a silver tree to light the night, which Melkor had poisoned and killed by the demon spider Ungoliant. Much of the beauty of the silmarils derived from the light of the Trees captured within them. The Elves think of the time of the Trees as The Good Old Days.
So far so more or less good.
They they screw it up with Action Hero General Galadriel, Wimpy Social Media Consultant Elrond and anachronistic, oddly dirty-looking 'Harfoots' (who in any case seem less Hobbit than feral hippy).
Not to mention Mysteriously Ethnically Diverse Female Numenoreans.
Have you not read the Silmarillion? The two trees of Valinor