Aftermarket batteries are hit and miss. If you luck out and get a set with good cells, they should last you as long as an OEM battery, but it’s literally a lottery for that.
xxxSuperXeroxxx the music was kind of intentionally supposed to be annoying, you wouldn’t believe all the negative comments that I deleted on previous videos....
I've seen reviews where other people experienced the same issues with the battery showing a partial charge while the charger shows full. Some of the reviewers found out that they had to force the battery into the charger another 1/16" to get it to properly seat and charge correctly...
i have dewalt tools, and bought 2 of those batteries 2 years ago, mine are still going fine and like you said don't last quite as long in operation but still will keep my nail gun going for a day or 2, anyway pleased with the amount of work they have done.
My Dewalt drill I left in my tractor bucket and it rained and the drill was completely under water for a week so I air hosed it off and still works like it always did.
Hey, thanks for the followup. Your "real world tests" are really good keep it up !!! Oh on your Dewalt package kit I have one of the "older XPR 18-volt packages". It was a company longevity gift (30 years) and I imagine that DeWalt markets them for just the sort of thing. Just saying. If you were closer I'd hire you for my home projects in a heartbeat. Keep up the excellent work.
I use to be a Panasonic 15.6 volt tool user and in my book they beat everything out there including Makita! But all great things don't last forever. When my Panasonic tools and batteries died, replacements in the 18v line were too expensive and hard to find. After watching many videos and reviews, the Dewalt 20v line seemed like the logical choice. I'm not sure when the 20v max line started but that is what I went with. That was about 5 years ago and I now have 9 tools including the hedge trimmer and string trimmer both 20v. My first kit was a drill and driver with 2, 1.5ah batteries. The manufacture date stamp on the batteries is 2014 and they still work great for small projects. The toughness and run time of the Dewalt tools seems to rival my old Panasonic line and then some! So far I have not had any reason to regret my decision and will keep buying Dewalt tools and batteries!!!
I had a relatively new dewalt 18v hammer drill fall off the ladder from the second floor to the blacktop driveway. The motor survived, however, it split two ways at the battery clip due to the heft of the batter itself. Not usable.
thats what i figured out just like he did bareley putting them in the charger does just like his is doing but if you push it in hard it clips in and charges fully
Very helpful, I've got a few genuine dewalt xr batteries and I was thinking of buying some knock-offs so I could run more tools at the same time. This has changed my mind and saved me some money. Thanks man.
Out of 8 generics I had similar issue with only one 4ah bat. It only displayed 2 bars when fully charged. The thing I’ve noticed, it gave me same run time as “fully functioning” ones.I just replaced the board within the 🔋 with another from a Chinese diy kit (body + board type)and now it shows 3 bars. Therefore, the problem is unlikely to be associated with cells…I’ve been using them for nearly 2 years now with wide variety of tools on daily basis , no problems there and the only bat’s I am not willing to buy from generics are flexvolt ones…
I just want to endorse your point on the durability of that drill you are showing. I accidentally drove my pickup truck (Navarra) over mine only realized when I heard the tool motor running. I got out ran arround the truck and saw it under the wheel. Got back in and moved the truck off of it. Long story short, that was nearly 2 years ago and the tool is still running strong.
Bro! You just saved me some money! I am a Commercial Hollow Metal Instaler in the hottest part of the country. My tools take a beating in 120 degree heat. And i am out in the field working outside. There is no way of possibly babying your tool. There ment to work like the hard workers in this great nation!
Tools are meant to be used, but not abused. There's "using" tools, and being careless with tools. You don't have to handle them like a neanderthal to give them a hot supper. Look at the tools from 100 years ago. People took care of them and they lasted. I mean, they are yours to do with as you will...but care goes a long way in longevity my friend. :)
So it either got ran too low or the blower was too heavy of a load. Also, I understand using the tools, and not being careful with them, but i still don't need to slam them down unnecessarily. I put them down just regular. If I went to get something to eat at a restaurant and the waitress slammed my plate down it like that I would think that she had a shit attitude
The problem was that it discharged too far, and the circuitry locks it out for safety. I had this happen to a genuine flexvolt battery, and dewalt replaced it.
I've got several of the "Amazon" batteries and each them perform as well as the DeWalt batteries that I have. After the latest hurricane passed through the area, I had the problem of having to remove a few felled trees. However before I could start on the trees I had to clear the area of wild bushes and vines just to get to the trees. Fortunately I had just recently purchased a DeWalt trimmer/clipper and two 5 A/h "Amazon" batteries. I was amazed at how well the Clipper and the batteries performed so I think Sean just got a one off bad battery. BTW, the two "Amazon" batteries I used on the trimmer/clipper are grey in colour. The other "Amazon" batteries that I have look like the ones in the video.
I have a bunch of dewalt 20v tools. They have not let me down yet. I'm most impressed by an impact driver I have. I've had it over two years. I go through a 50lb box of three inch screws about every 10 days and she's still going strong.
I don't know if you tried this, but one of my dewalt batteries would only charge to one bar like your knock off battery after I used it on my Dewalt line trimmer. I found a UA-cam video where you get another battery that's similar and put jump wires to the two batteries positive to positive and negative to negative for a few seconds and then charged the bad battery and it came back to life.
I'm not sure what happened with that battery, but I've got 4 of the generic batteries and they've not had 1 issue. they are as good if not better than the OEM.
You might see if there's a DeWalt equivalent that makes it easy to replace the 18650 batteries inside when they go bad. Long-term, that would save money.
i really like those cheap batteries for the low amperage tools. I have a couple that i use only for my stereo, impact driver or lights, they fail quick on drills and saws.
Do you have any videos on fixing a stuck bit? I've been dripping oil in the tip of my Dewalt battery drill for about a month and am about to toss it because I can no longer loosen the tip to remove my bit.
Hi Sean I had same problem they don't fit the charger quite right u have to press them down a little so the pins connect securely then it will recharge,dan
You found exactly what I found. I only use DW batteries and they all withstand the punishment. All my shop and even yard tools use the 20 volt max system and all tools are rugged and excellent. My circ saw is 60 volt using the Flexvolt battery. It’s a beast. Corded saw is gone.
I bought the same knock off battery in a two pack because they were so cheap. The fuel gauge indicator only showed one bar even after charging overnight and the charger indicated it was fully charged. I tested it in a 1/2" impact and it lasted Ok for the first charge. I deep discharged it using a 20v 7 1/4" saw a few times and it started to show all three indicators when it recharged. I also would not recommend these ones, but they seem to be working, for now.
There has been an issue with the chargers where you have to push the battery till you feel it click. In the video you just slided the battery, try to push it down and see if the charger fully charge it
In this video, you said the HF tools were no good, but you never posted a video of them failing or the reason, the only video you posted with issues was the Amazon 5ma dewalt clone battery. So what was the issue with the Bauer drill?
One of the cells likely blew its pressure switch, that would result in the behaviour you describe. Either they used cells that aren't rated for the current that the tool you ran them in demands of them, or you simply got one with a latent defect, which can happen with anything you could possibly buy, but is certainly more likely when the manufacturer uses licensed cells rather than originals from the 5 tier-1 companies. Why i say it's not unlikely that they used the entirely wrong cells, is because there is actually a difference between 5A laptop cells and 10A-20A power tool cells, the latter don't get nearly the same capacity as the laptop cells, but they are more electrically resilient. They're built in the same form factor, so a less scrupulous reseller will order his batteries to be built out of laptop cells so people take the bait of high capacity, and then many people likely won't bother returning them or will not use them long enough to run into issues, so i suggest you try your best to get a refund to discourage such behaviour.
Hey Sean just a bit of info if it helps you mention buying another set of Dewalts, I like you buy tools to use them I own 2 Dewalts and 3 Black & Decker (yes i know there the same) what im getting at is I like you have the new Lithium stuff but i also have 10+ old 18 volt of both and I found a conversion kit to make the old NI-CADS into Lithium batteries for 100 bucks with 2 bats , charger, and 1 adapter, (you can buy the adapts cheap for like 2 for 25 if look long enough) but what I am getting at is like you I am a Mechanic and Cattle Farmer more so now so I use stuff hard and they best last. Ok as I said I planned to buy new Dewalts to replace some or give to a couple of my new guys to keep in their trucks who help me on the ranch but then I found the KIT Dewalt DCA2203 its 99.00 on amazon now! as i said i took 10 tools , jigsaws, sawzalls, circular saw, extend a tool limb trimmer and converted all for 300 bucks with 3 packs and the 40 for 4 more adapters the smaller batteries are only 2ah i will say but i dont need long run times most of my stuff is quick bursts and all my trucks have Inverters and Generators on them so if need be we can recharge anything out on ranch..... Like you i hate to waste Money so NOW what i do and tell my kids if they drive by a yard sale stop and look for the old 18 volt Ni-cads tools most times ppl almost give them away we now have 18 with 5 actually given to me i felt bad because he was going to buy new ones so I showed him what i did he never knew they made the kits but told me to keep tools because he had already re-brushed them once and knew they would need again in a year and didn't want to mess with so i got complete knowledge of tools history and made a Friend of sorts he comes by ranch once a while and we drink some shine when his wife is away. OH yeah on the tool and breakage we had one of our Black n Decker fall 45 feet out of a tree and 0 damage other than shit stuck in the Exhaust port where the Fan blows out the hot air when running, We have also had a full BRAND NEW in the dam BOX still fall off the back of one of my Stock trailers (11 foot 3 inches and they fell onto Cement at the AG Weighing Scales for livestock) the only damage was to the case it broke the side of the box they were sold in but the tools did not have even dirt on them! so yeah if your NOT dropping a tool at least once then your only using them to show your friends some one told you what brand to buy !!! .... only saw the 2 Videos but I subbed and ill check back on some others of yours when i get some time in the truck out in pasture.......now thats shit we drop and People LOOSE their MINDS OVER LAPTOPS... we drop them once a month and brush em off and work just fine... Im guessing those afraid to handle a tool for fear of dropping one are Crapple Cell Phone users too!! Keep Up the great work young man!!! Cow }:-o) or Bobby
I bought a few of these "generic" Dewalt batterys. None last more then a month or two. I still have a Dewalt battery from 2015 and it is the end of 2022 still working great.I already just changed the plastic case as it outlasted that. Plus Dewalt's are warrentied for 3 years which I have used that. I have many other Dewalt battery's over 2-3 years working almost as new. I do many use Dewalt brand charges too. These generic batterys you never really know who is making them as it can vary as never are branded.
Sean have you used either the Bostitch drill or impact driver? I would really like to hear your opinion of the tools if you have used them. if you havent would you consider buying a set and reviewing them? I personally am fond of the tools but I have yet to find anyone that works with the tools daily for a living that has used a bostitch drill.
I have a spare impact driver if you are interested in checking them out without dropping 85 bucks. I would want it back at some point of course, but I am willing to send one your way for a while to hear what you think of them and to see how the tool holds up to daily use
This video started out as an update on your experience with the "Amazon" batteries, but somehow evolved into a bash of Harbor Freight. How did that happen?
I bought the big generics for my porter cable tools. 65 for two vs 120 for one. People forget that All these companies use cheap lithium cells from the same factory. Youre just paying for a brand name. The Amazon generic batteries i got have a 2 yr warranty. In your case you could return it.
I understand when buying something new it should work, but did you try the shorting out the charger trick where you just plug and unplug the charger in to get the battery to take more of a charge? Not sure if you watch AvE but he informed that these don't have the temperature protection like the original batteries either.
Hey Sean, good video. Question, do you think it has to do with over/under discharge protection? I know the dewalt tools are supposed to have this built in, but is it possible that it only protects it for genuine batteries? without this protection if a battery completely discharges, its ruined and will not charge again. Perhaps if you depleted the 3rd party battery by say 80%, and then charged it it would last longer instead of running it to 0%.
I’ve got loads of dewalt tools , and lots of genuine dw batteries I’ve also got about 10 cheap batteries and all but one still work charge just as good as the genuine ones , brought them over 2 years ago .
Nice job....appreciate the testing. All of my power hand tools are Ridgid. I don't know about DeWalt, but with Ridgid, you can register the batteries for free replacements. The higher price is worth it compared to junk batteries, just as your testing has shown.
I'm curious if you got a bad battery. I have several of those Amazon battery's I abuse regularly and haven't had any issues yet. According to the reviews on Amazon the few bad ones that slipped through the cracks they stand behind and replace.
Nice work...great info. I only buy DeWalt batteries and their 20v tools. Been "building" my collection when I can afford them. One tool each or every other month. The 20v brushless drill-driver is my #1 DeWalt hand tool.
My 18v 4.AH DeWalt XR Battery has done the same as the cheaper model you show here. It says its fully charged but only ever has two bars and I'm lucky if I get 15/20 minutes run time from it. I've only had it a couple weeks and used it on about 5 Joinery Jobs, not really going full belt with it. Any idea what's wrong with it?
Thanks for this review! I watched both videos you did on this cheap battery, and you’ve saved me some misery as I won’t be buying these generic batteries now. I’m subscribing right after I post this comment.
Great information I was gonna buy 2 of those from amazon and now I'm not, thanks for saving me the time trouble and nasty review I would have left The seller ,I am exactly the same way about my tools I use and abuse the hell out of all my tools ,Automotive Master technician so of course I buy nothing but Snap on Mac or Matco,but all my 20 volt -60 volt cordless and electric impacts,drills,jigsaws,.sawzalls,flashlights,etc etc are Dewalt ,so when it comes to battery's and chargers I can never have enough ,Thanks again had to subscribe and looking forward to more reviews !
Sean Carlin Designs I saw someone else do it and they had to hook up the balance wires too so I know it works, but this cheap battery has been working so well I don't have the heart to destroy it just yet lol
Agreed man I am a contractor and have been using my dewalt drills and drivers for about 7 years now and I constantly drop them off of my belt while Standing on my little giant ladder. Heck my 12v dewalts are still running strong even after dropping one in a toilet haha
Those generic batteries probably don't have matched capacity cells, when you run them all the way down you end up reverse charging the lower capacity cell if in series. This damages them by releasing oxygen from the lithium cobalt oxide. And they don't have the same low voltage cutoff, meaning they'll run longer for a short time and degrade very fast.
0:53 I know tools are meant to be used and meant to be able to take abuse but I couldn’t help but feel it in my gut each time you dropped the drill purposely like that.
Tools are meant to take the occasional accidental abuse. But to just toss them around without a care in the world when you can simply set them down is stupid. Why tempt fate or just add to any potential of damage when its completely unnecessary. I agree with you.
Ive had those same batteries for two years never had a issue with them charging granted they don't last as long but i can get three of them for the price of one dewalt that makes financial sense to me you keep two charged while you use one
thanks for the honest test I bought some 7.4 volt on Amazon and they are crap also but battery plus not much better I love the angle screw driver batteries a issue since dewalt disconnected product.
You have to charge this off brand on off brand chargers… idk why but it seems to work maybe they have a chip or something but it work with the off brand
Tools are made to take abuse but unfortunately the modern tools have more and more circuit boards inside them. Constant dropping will weaken solder joints leading to failure.
I agree, unnecessarily banging things around is just foolish. Dropping and plopping tools doesn't make you more manly, or the tool tougher. All it does is invite premature failure. Yes, slamming the tools has a greater impact on solder joints that the vibrations from general use.
you do it your way and let him do it his, i feel like it can be unnecessary how some people throw them around but i typically drop a tool from waste height rather than bending over if im working in a grassy area, wouldnt do that over asphalt though maybe he feels the time saved from dropping it adds up to the value of any early failures... ntm you get 3-5 years of warranty on those boards depending if youre team yellow or team red
Doubt he would buy a brand new tool and just chuck them around, people on other channels try and make out that Dewalt is junk and always breaks, I think he’s making the point that it’s not the case.
I completely agree with buying quality tools. I too use Dewalt products. They haven't let me down yet for nearly 20 years. I have used but never owned other brands like Makita and Milwaukee and like them too. They also come with a better warranty than Dewalt (currently) but with Dewalt I've never needed a warranty. Many guys I've worked with and for have had to get there prestigious Milwaukee products fixed or replaced. Not bad mouthing the other brands because I do think they make good stuff but personally I'll stick with Dewalt for now.
The problem you had may have been your own doing. Got this from the DeWalt website:" 1. IS IT BETTER FOR DEWALT® BATTERIES TO BE COMPLETELY DISCHARGED BEFORE CHARGING? No. Just the opposite. You should stop using a battery as soon as you feel a substantial decrease in power from the tool. Completely running down a battery may damage it. Do not tape the trigger to run down the battery." Read the full article here: www.dewalt.com/dewalt-dna/featured-articles/best-practices-for-battery-life
Thanks for the update John C. Reilly.
I just wanna hear, "For your health!"
Sweet berry wine
YES!!! Hahaha
All I hear is Wreck it Ralph.
Kit Johnson I was going to say the same thing. The resemblance is uncanny.
I bought a flylink aftermarket battery. Had it over a year and still working good
Aftermarket batteries are hit and miss. If you luck out and get a set with good cells, they should last you as long as an OEM battery, but it’s literally a lottery for that.
The video would be better without the crappy background music/noise.
Reminds me of when I graduated boot camp they put that song ha
xxxSuperXeroxxx the music was kind of intentionally supposed to be annoying, you wouldn’t believe all the negative comments that I deleted on previous videos....
Better than the usual You Tube music for damn sure.
Sousa's march in the background is annoying?
@@seancarlin4547 Please! Keep Sousa' march in the background. It's uplifting.
I've seen reviews where other people experienced the same issues with the battery showing a partial charge while the charger shows full. Some of the reviewers found out that they had to force the battery into the charger another 1/16" to get it to properly seat and charge correctly...
Thank you for the videos and most importantly the up dates. This video is 2 years old but still helped and saved me money. Thank you.
i have dewalt tools, and bought 2 of those batteries 2 years ago, mine are still going fine and like you said don't last quite as long in operation but still will keep my nail gun going for a day or 2, anyway pleased with the amount of work they have done.
My Dewalt drill I left in my tractor bucket and it rained and the drill was completely under water for a week so I air hosed it off and still works like it always did.
Glad i ran across this video i was bout to order those cheap batterys to try out to see if they were any good.
Hey, thanks for the followup. Your "real world tests" are really good keep it up !!! Oh on your Dewalt package kit I have one of the "older XPR 18-volt packages". It was a company longevity gift (30 years) and I imagine that DeWalt markets them for just the sort of thing. Just saying. If you were closer I'd hire you for my home projects in a heartbeat. Keep up the excellent work.
I use to be a Panasonic 15.6 volt tool user and in my book they beat everything out there including Makita! But all great things don't last forever. When my Panasonic tools and batteries died, replacements in the 18v line were too expensive and hard to find. After watching many videos and reviews, the Dewalt 20v line seemed like the logical choice. I'm not sure when the 20v max line started but that is what I went with. That was about 5 years ago and I now have 9 tools including the hedge trimmer and string trimmer both 20v. My first kit was a drill and driver with 2, 1.5ah batteries. The manufacture date stamp on the batteries is 2014 and they still work great for small projects. The toughness and run time of the Dewalt tools seems to rival my old Panasonic line and then some! So far I have not had any reason to regret my decision and will keep buying Dewalt tools and batteries!!!
I had a relatively new dewalt 18v hammer drill fall off the ladder from the second floor to the blacktop driveway. The motor survived, however, it split two ways at the battery clip due to the heft of the batter itself. Not usable.
I have the same battery and have had no issues in a year of using it a few times a week.
I’ve learned to shove them a bit more on the charger and they charge fine
Took the battery apart in my latest video, found a dead cell
thats what i figured out just like he did bareley putting them in the charger does just like his is doing but if you push it in hard it clips in and charges fully
I had the same issue putting brand new DeWalt batteries on the charger, they need a little extra push.
Very helpful, I've got a few genuine dewalt xr batteries and I was thinking of buying some knock-offs so I could run more tools at the same time. This has changed my mind and saved me some money. Thanks man.
I dropped my old dewalt 18v saw from a roof top, ran fine for another couple of year. My new 20v tools seem just as tough. Good stuff
Out of 8 generics I had similar issue with only one 4ah bat. It only displayed 2 bars when fully charged. The thing I’ve noticed, it gave me same run time as “fully functioning” ones.I just replaced the board within the 🔋 with another from a Chinese diy kit (body + board type)and now it shows 3 bars. Therefore, the problem is unlikely to be associated with cells…I’ve been using them for nearly 2 years now with wide variety of tools on daily basis , no problems there and the only bat’s I am not willing to buy from generics are flexvolt ones…
I just want to endorse your point on the durability of that drill you are showing. I accidentally drove my pickup truck (Navarra) over mine only realized when I heard the tool motor running. I got out ran arround the truck and saw it under the wheel. Got back in and moved the truck off of it. Long story short, that was nearly 2 years ago and the tool is still running strong.
Bro! You just saved me some money! I am a Commercial Hollow Metal Instaler in the hottest part of the country. My tools take a beating in 120 degree heat. And i am out in the field working outside. There is no way of possibly babying your tool. There ment to work like the hard workers in this great nation!
Tools are meant to be used, but not abused. There's "using" tools, and being careless with tools. You don't have to handle them like a neanderthal to give them a hot supper. Look at the tools from 100 years ago. People took care of them and they lasted. I mean, they are yours to do with as you will...but care goes a long way in longevity my friend. :)
So it either got ran too low or the blower was too heavy of a load. Also, I understand using the tools, and not being careful with them, but i still don't need to slam them down unnecessarily. I put them down just regular. If I went to get something to eat at a restaurant and the waitress slammed my plate down it like that I would think that she had a shit attitude
Precisely. There's using your tools, and then there's being a d-bag for no reason.
The problem was that it discharged too far, and the circuitry locks it out for safety. I had this happen to a genuine flexvolt battery, and dewalt replaced it.
I've got several of the "Amazon" batteries and each them perform as well as the DeWalt batteries that I have. After the latest hurricane passed through the area, I had the problem of having to remove a few felled trees. However before I could start on the trees I had to clear the area of wild bushes and vines just to get to the trees. Fortunately I had just recently purchased a DeWalt trimmer/clipper and two 5 A/h "Amazon" batteries. I was amazed at how well the Clipper and the batteries performed so I think Sean just got a one off bad battery. BTW, the two "Amazon" batteries I used on the trimmer/clipper are grey in colour. The other "Amazon" batteries that I have look like the ones in the video.
Had mine for 6 months heavy use and they work great!!!
I have a bunch of dewalt 20v tools. They have not let me down yet. I'm most impressed by an impact driver I have. I've had it over two years. I go through a 50lb box of three inch screws about every 10 days and she's still going strong.
Kyle Norman you mean dewalt 18v
I don't know if you tried this, but one of my dewalt batteries would only charge to one bar like your knock off battery after I used it on my Dewalt line trimmer. I found a UA-cam video where you get another battery that's similar and put jump wires to the two batteries positive to positive and negative to negative for a few seconds and then charged the bad battery and it came back to life.
I'm not sure what happened with that battery, but I've got 4 of the generic batteries and they've not had 1 issue. they are as good if not better than the OEM.
You might see if there's a DeWalt equivalent that makes it easy to replace the 18650 batteries inside when they go bad. Long-term, that would save money.
i really like those cheap batteries for the low amperage tools. I have a couple that i use only for my stereo, impact driver or lights, they fail quick on drills and saws.
Do you have any videos on fixing a stuck bit? I've been dripping oil in the tip of my Dewalt battery drill for about a month and am about to toss it because I can no longer loosen the tip to remove my bit.
Music totally unnecessary
Pip Pipster but awesome
Sean Carlin
Totally
Hi Sean I had same problem they don't fit the charger quite right u have to press them down a little so the pins connect securely then it will recharge,dan
What the hell is going on with that overboosted music? Couldn’t finish the vid...
You found exactly what I found. I only use DW batteries and they all withstand the punishment. All my shop and even yard tools use the 20 volt max system and all tools are rugged and excellent. My circ saw is 60 volt using the Flexvolt battery. It’s a beast. Corded saw is gone.
Thanks for the initial video and follow up.
I've been curious about this for a while now.
Keep up the great work!
The use of excessive loud music didn't make me subscribe.
Me neither that music was loud
i don't subscribe even without music ...
Well done mate, I like your attitude. big up..
may be should a charger has te be bought at the same time or the one that would charge those batteries.?
take it apart for us to see what cells are inside
did you try the dcb105 charger , i think the newer charger can recognize it is no dewalt original and not charge it
I bought the same knock off battery in a two pack because they were so cheap. The fuel gauge indicator only showed one bar even after charging overnight and the charger indicated it was fully charged. I tested it in a 1/2" impact and it lasted Ok for the first charge. I deep discharged it using a 20v 7 1/4" saw a few times and it started to show all three indicators when it recharged. I also would not recommend these ones, but they seem to be working, for now.
There has been an issue with the chargers where you have to push the battery till you feel it click. In the video you just slided the battery, try to push it down and see if the charger fully charge it
So basically the old saying "you get what you pay for" still holds true! Thanks , now i can avoid this mistake...
In this video, you said the HF tools were no good, but you never posted a video of them failing or the reason, the only video you posted with issues was the Amazon 5ma dewalt clone battery. So what was the issue with the Bauer drill?
One of the cells likely blew its pressure switch, that would result in the behaviour you describe. Either they used cells that aren't rated for the current that the tool you ran them in demands of them, or you simply got one with a latent defect, which can happen with anything you could possibly buy, but is certainly more likely when the manufacturer uses licensed cells rather than originals from the 5 tier-1 companies.
Why i say it's not unlikely that they used the entirely wrong cells, is because there is actually a difference between 5A laptop cells and 10A-20A power tool cells, the latter don't get nearly the same capacity as the laptop cells, but they are more electrically resilient. They're built in the same form factor, so a less scrupulous reseller will order his batteries to be built out of laptop cells so people take the bait of high capacity, and then many people likely won't bother returning them or will not use them long enough to run into issues, so i suggest you try your best to get a refund to discourage such behaviour.
It was from Amazon, so easy to return
you need to click the battery onto the charger properly
Hey Sean just a bit of info if it helps you mention buying another set of Dewalts, I like you buy tools to use them I own 2 Dewalts and 3 Black & Decker (yes i know there the same) what im getting at is I like you have the new Lithium stuff but i also have 10+ old 18 volt of both and I found a conversion kit to make the old NI-CADS into Lithium batteries for 100 bucks with 2 bats , charger, and 1 adapter, (you can buy the adapts cheap for like 2 for 25 if look long enough) but what I am getting at is like you I am a Mechanic and Cattle Farmer more so now so I use stuff hard and they best last.
Ok as I said I planned to buy new Dewalts to replace some or give to a couple of my new guys to keep in their trucks who help me on the ranch but then I found the KIT Dewalt DCA2203 its 99.00 on amazon now! as i said i took 10 tools , jigsaws, sawzalls, circular saw, extend a tool limb trimmer and converted all for 300 bucks with 3 packs and the 40 for 4 more adapters the smaller batteries are only 2ah i will say but i dont need long run times most of my stuff is quick bursts and all my trucks have Inverters and Generators on them so if need be we can recharge anything out on ranch..... Like you i hate to waste Money so NOW what i do and tell my kids if they drive by a yard sale stop and look for the old 18 volt Ni-cads tools most times ppl almost give them away we now have 18 with 5 actually given to me i felt bad because he was going to buy new ones so I showed him what i did he never knew they made the kits but told me to keep tools because he had already re-brushed them once and knew they would need again in a year and didn't want to mess with so i got complete knowledge of tools history and made a Friend of sorts he comes by ranch once a while and we drink some shine when his wife is away.
OH yeah on the tool and breakage we had one of our Black n Decker fall 45 feet out of a tree and 0 damage other than shit stuck in the Exhaust port where the Fan blows out the hot air when running, We have also had a full BRAND NEW in the dam BOX still fall off the back of one of my Stock trailers (11 foot 3 inches and they fell onto Cement at the AG Weighing Scales for livestock) the only damage was to the case it broke the side of the box they were sold in but the tools did not have even dirt on them! so yeah if your NOT dropping a tool at least once then your only using them to show your friends some one told you what brand to buy !!! .... only saw the 2 Videos but I subbed and ill check back on some others of yours when i get some time in the truck out in pasture.......now thats shit we drop and People LOOSE their MINDS OVER LAPTOPS... we drop them once a month and brush em off and work just fine... Im guessing those afraid to handle a tool for fear of dropping one are Crapple Cell Phone users too!! Keep Up the great work young man!!! Cow }:-o) or Bobby
I bought a few of these "generic" Dewalt batterys. None last more then a month or two. I still have a Dewalt battery from 2015 and it is the end of 2022 still working great.I already just changed the plastic case as it outlasted that. Plus Dewalt's are warrentied for 3 years which I have used that.
I have many other Dewalt battery's over 2-3 years working almost as new. I do many use Dewalt brand charges too. These generic batterys you never really know who is making them as it can vary as never are branded.
I had one fall off a two story roof and it survived and still works great
Thanks for the tests on these batteries. Saves me a lot of time & money. GREAT JOB!!
I watched the first vid and this one, great reviews and thanks for the heads up on those batterys I was going to buy them😬
Did you really “seat” the battery in the charger? Didn’t look like it
Sean have you used either the Bostitch drill or impact driver? I would really like to hear your opinion of the tools if you have used them. if you havent would you consider buying a set and reviewing them? I personally am fond of the tools but I have yet to find anyone that works with the tools daily for a living that has used a bostitch drill.
I have not...
I have a spare impact driver if you are interested in checking them out without dropping 85 bucks. I would want it back at some point of course, but I am willing to send one your way for a while to hear what you think of them and to see how the tool holds up to daily use
Had the same problem, make sure the battery clicks in the charger! I did this and now it works and takes a charge.
This video started out as an update on your experience with the "Amazon" batteries, but somehow evolved into a bash of Harbor Freight. How did that happen?
Naturally.
I bought the big generics for my porter cable tools. 65 for two vs 120 for one. People forget that All these companies use cheap lithium cells from the same factory. Youre just paying for a brand name.
The Amazon generic batteries i got have a 2 yr warranty. In your case you could return it.
2 yr warranty, for real? Wow.
I understand when buying something new it should work, but did you try the shorting out the charger trick where you just plug and unplug the charger in to get the battery to take more of a charge? Not sure if you watch AvE but he informed that these don't have the temperature protection like the original batteries either.
That only works with a nicad battery, not lithium ion
my dcd791 still going strong after a fall from the 3rd floor
Hey Sean, good video. Question, do you think it has to do with over/under discharge protection? I know the dewalt tools are supposed to have this built in, but is it possible that it only protects it for genuine batteries? without this protection if a battery completely discharges, its ruined and will not charge again. Perhaps if you depleted the 3rd party battery by say 80%, and then charged it it would last longer instead of running it to 0%.
If the battery pack does not have Over & Under Voltage protection then it is junk, and we should never buy them ...
I’ve got loads of dewalt tools , and lots of genuine dw batteries I’ve also got about 10 cheap batteries and all but one still work charge just as good as the genuine ones , brought them over 2 years ago .
Nice job....appreciate the testing. All of my power hand tools are Ridgid. I don't know about DeWalt, but with Ridgid, you can register the batteries for free replacements. The higher price is worth it compared to junk batteries, just as your testing has shown.
ive had one those same amazon generic batteries for 2 years no problems at all
Is that a Vanon generic 20V battery?
Thank you for taking the time to show the good and the bad what is out there. Good job,
I'm curious if you got a bad battery. I have several of those Amazon battery's I abuse regularly and haven't had any issues yet. According to the reviews on Amazon the few bad ones that slipped through the cracks they stand behind and replace.
Nice work...great info. I only buy DeWalt batteries and their 20v tools. Been "building" my collection when I can afford them. One tool each or every other month. The 20v brushless drill-driver is my #1 DeWalt hand tool.
My 18v 4.AH DeWalt XR Battery has done the same as the cheaper model you show here. It says its fully charged but only ever has two bars and I'm lucky if I get 15/20 minutes run time from it.
I've only had it a couple weeks and used it on about 5 Joinery Jobs, not really going full belt with it.
Any idea what's wrong with it?
Your non-charging issue means the battery is faulty, ive had this issue many times, the lifespan on a dewalt battery is typically 3 years long.
Thanks for this review! I watched both videos you did on this cheap battery, and you’ve saved me some misery as I won’t be buying these generic batteries now. I’m subscribing right after I post this comment.
Great information I was gonna buy 2 of those from amazon and now I'm not, thanks for saving me the time trouble and nasty review I would have left The seller ,I am exactly the same way about my tools I use and abuse the hell out of all my tools ,Automotive Master technician so of course I buy nothing but Snap on Mac or Matco,but all my 20 volt -60 volt cordless and electric impacts,drills,jigsaws,.sawzalls,flashlights,etc etc are Dewalt ,so when it comes to battery's and chargers I can never have enough ,Thanks again had to subscribe and looking forward to more reviews !
There is a difference between accidental abuse and intentional disrespect for your tools.
Excellent thanks for the follow up 👍
I just ordered one of those, not for the cells but for the plastic so I can take it apart and hook it up with a 5ah lipo!
Did it work?
Sean Carlin Designs I saw someone else do it and they had to hook up the balance wires too so I know it works, but this cheap battery has been working so well I don't have the heart to destroy it just yet lol
Thanks for posting this years ago. You saved me some hard earned money.
Tooooo..late I bought two sets of Chinese ones let see how it goes..preciate your advice..
Agreed man I am a contractor and have been using my dewalt drills and drivers for about 7 years now and I constantly drop them off of my belt while Standing on my little giant ladder. Heck my 12v dewalts are still running strong even after dropping one in a toilet haha
Those generic batteries probably don't have matched capacity cells, when you run them all the way down you end up reverse charging the lower capacity cell if in series. This damages them by releasing oxygen from the lithium cobalt oxide. And they don't have the same low voltage cutoff, meaning they'll run longer for a short time and degrade very fast.
Hey were you using the aftermarket battery on your brushless drill in the first video?
No, the genuine DeWalt one
I dont think you had the battery fully seated on the charger.
0:53 I know tools are meant to be used and meant to be able to take abuse but I couldn’t help but feel it in my gut each time you dropped the drill purposely like that.
Tools are meant to take the occasional accidental abuse. But to just toss them around without a care in the world when you can simply set them down is stupid. Why tempt fate or just add to any potential of damage when its completely unnecessary. I agree with you.
Thanks for the update.
Ive had those same batteries for two years never had a issue with them charging granted they don't last as long but i can get three of them for the price of one dewalt that makes financial sense to me you keep two charged while you use one
Thanks for your update, I was looking at those batteries too, now I know the quality and can save some money.
My oem dewalt batteries say they’re fully charged on the charger when the battery isn’t fully charged yet, so I’m not sure what the difference is
These ones are dead when I put them on, and then don’t charge at all
thanks for the honest test I bought some 7.4 volt on Amazon and they are crap also but battery plus not much better I love the angle screw driver batteries a issue since dewalt disconnected product.
Music was kind of strange, but so far liking your channel John C. Reilly
The old 18v still kickin
Wonder if you got a dud. My 2 have been excellent
What was wrong with the Bauer tools? Were they any good at all?
Angel's Landscaping they seem fine.
I have the Bauer drill driver and impact driver, both work well and stand up during daily use. I have no qualms with either of them.
You have to charge this off brand on off brand chargers… idk why but it seems to work maybe they have a chip or something but it work with the off brand
Tools are made to take abuse but unfortunately the modern tools have more and more circuit boards inside them. Constant dropping will weaken solder joints leading to failure.
vibration from use would have more impact on joints than dropping
I agree, unnecessarily banging things around is just foolish. Dropping and plopping tools doesn't make you more manly, or the tool tougher. All it does is invite premature failure. Yes, slamming the tools has a greater impact on solder joints that the vibrations from general use.
Thanks Ian, sounds like you have "Mechanical Sympathy' too
you do it your way and let him do it his, i feel like it can be unnecessary how some people throw them around but i typically drop a tool from waste height rather than bending over if im working in a grassy area, wouldnt do that over asphalt though
maybe he feels the time saved from dropping it adds up to the value of any early failures... ntm you get 3-5 years of warranty on those boards depending if youre team yellow or team red
Doubt he would buy a brand new tool and just chuck them around, people on other channels try and make out that Dewalt is junk and always breaks, I think he’s making the point that it’s not the case.
Yeah same happened to me. They burn out after a couple of charges.
I completely agree with buying quality tools. I too use Dewalt products. They haven't let me down yet for nearly 20 years. I have used but never owned other brands like Makita and Milwaukee and like them too. They also come with a better warranty than Dewalt (currently) but with Dewalt I've never needed a warranty. Many guys I've worked with and for have had to get there prestigious Milwaukee products fixed or replaced. Not bad mouthing the other brands because I do think they make good stuff but personally I'll stick with Dewalt for now.
Thanks for the input.
I bought the new 1st fix nailer and knocked it out a 1st floor window and no they don't stand up well to falls i felt sick
What's, the model number of your dewalt drill?
I just bought the 2 pack batteries and they charge great and run very well, maybe its because this is nov 2021not 4 years ago.
Thank you for update, dewalt’s battery has better quality than another .
You just saved me! Thank you sir!
Dang couldnt the background music be any louder!
The problem you had may have been your own doing. Got this from the DeWalt website:"
1. IS IT BETTER FOR DEWALT® BATTERIES TO BE COMPLETELY DISCHARGED BEFORE CHARGING?
No. Just the opposite. You should stop using a battery as soon as you feel a substantial decrease in power from the tool. Completely running down a battery may damage it. Do not tape the trigger to run down the battery."
Read the full article here: www.dewalt.com/dewalt-dna/featured-articles/best-practices-for-battery-life
No battery likes deep discharges.
Sounds like "someone" went through their grandma's record collection!!!!!