What Happens When Our Physical Copies of Games All Die? - Retro Bird
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- It's a hard truth... at some point all physical copies of video games will no longer work. How long this will take remains to be seen. In this video, I talk about what the gaming and collecting landscape will look like when it does.
What Happens When Our Physical Copies of Games All Die? - Retro Bird / Lifespan of Physical Video Games / Digital Games Taking Over
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Games played: Metal Storm (0:04), Super Mario Bros. Wonder (0:19), Side Arms (0:28), Robo Aleste (1:35), Crash Bandicoot 2 (2:04)
I started humming that level's theme for Crash 2.
Fun fact, that was the first video game I ever owned since Christmas in the 3rd grade. And I've loved it ever since.
The ultimate in punching down is Retro Bird referencing poor old Timmy.
The recent Spider-Man games are terrible.
Watching your videos makes me relive my childhood
that move you made with the knees XD So funny, your physical humor is similar to BRUNO BLANCHET,
legend of funny TV sketch shows and absurd comedy in Quebec, Canada.
His character "Tite Dents" and "Le petit monsieur pas de cou" are examples, "Small teeth" and "The small man without a neck"
I think the future of physical game collections will require the gaming community to embrace reproductions and stop being so precious about original copies. I think the most important thing for collectors to be doing right now is making sure to document things like box art, manuals, and cartridge labels to the same extent that rom dumps have been so that those things can be accurately reproduced in the future.
People will just emulate.
Gentleman.... *tips hat*
Every generation until 360/PS3 is mostly well documented by console modding communities. And in the far future physical copies (working or not) will all become very precious collector's items, it is what it is
Yeap; I will change my poster of the Monalisa instead of the original because the sun has faded the original painting and it doesn't look as great as my poster with its shiny colors !!! JA !!!
When I visit my remaining grandparents and they just have the tv on the news or a sports game… I just think wow, when I’m their age and my grandkids come to visit me - they’ll have to tell me to pause my game and I’ll be like no, I still have to finish my RPG collection before I die.
You’re a gem in the gaming realm. Thanks for the laughs sir. 👍
Why thank you!
During the pandemic I took up computers and video game emulation as a hobby. Ended up getting through the plague with a mini-itx build packed with over 10k retro games, but only the ones I really wanted. It was a blast watching countless hours of best of and hidden gem videos on UA-cam and building my library to be uniquely mine. I grew up on the poor side, so to have access now to every video game and video game console I have ever cared about on a computer I built myself is a bit mind blowing. I am firmly on the side of digital preservation now.
Yup, physical preservation is not really a battle worth fighting. In contrast, digital preservation is pretty painless and emulation is often better than the original physical experience, with more flexibility with the hardware involved.
@@ordinaryhuman5645I disagree with better than the original. Original console is the way I go
@@clouds-rb9xtAnd you're allowed to be wrong and do silly things.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 idk man.. my experience just doesn't feel authentic if i'm not using original hardware with original controllers, plus original hardware gets every detail of the original game how the developers wanted it to be seen
That's cool, but how the heck did you end up really wanting over 10k games 😂 I have such a huge backlog to play and it's only a few hundred. It will take you another few decades of plague to get through all of those haha. Also to what @ordinaryhuman5645 said: I recently tried emulating some arcade rhythm games and let me tell you it wasn't a very good experience. Of course emulators with a huge user and developer base behind them tend to give a almost original, if not better experience, but for some more niche corners of the retro gaming world you just can't beat the original hardware with emulation yet.
Great vid Banana man.
Looking back, I'm pretty proud of our generation and how we didnt give up the old games.
Everything from the emulation of them all the way to brand new homebrew releases for Genesis is all because very talented people cared.
Puts a tear in this old gamer's eye.
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Please don't ever brandish a blade in front of your copy of Rocket Knight Adventures. How would you feel if you unintentionally traumatized it? Lol
It's seen more dangerous stuff than that in there ;)
Just want to say I played Rocket Knight Adventures for the first time tonight. Wow, I see why you sing its praises.
@@lukedavis3953 Yeah, it's a great game for sure. One the best that the Genesis has to offer.
Your comment on not hoarding games really stuck with me. I'm aware you've talked about this in depth in other videos, but this caught me at the right time. I've been pushing to expand my collection, even buying games I didn't really care about. But your comment has helped put me on a course correction to narrow things down, and Im happier for it.
Glad to hear it!
Can't play more then 1 game at the time.
Look at it this way - we still have gold masks from ancient Egypt as good as the day they were minted, so it stands to reason that 80s video games will still work a million years from now
Disc rot is caused by oxidation of the disc's layers, causing discoloration. It's more likely with poor storage, i.e, leaving the disc in an attic or shed where it's exposed to extreme temperatures and humidity. However, most of the underlying manufacturing causes were mostly worked out by the time games made it onto CD. You're way more likely to ruin a disc by mishandling it.
Blurays are especially far more durable.
Thank you for this comment :) Good to know that game discs are less likely to have bad pressings and I'd always suspected / been hopeful of that.
it's also a lot more likely to happen with burned discs like CD-Rs, DVD-Rs, etc. than factory pressed ones. Especially cheaper off brand ones. Source: I've had several burned discs develop rot and go bad, but never a factory pressed disc. But then again most game systems won't play burned discs without mods so it's not too much of a concern anyway.
@@jeffb.6642 These discs have an ink layer that holds data. Over time, the ink fades, making them unreadable. This happens faster if the disc is exposed to UV light, but even with proper handling, there's a good chance it will fail after 10 years or so.
I had burned discs fail after 2 months. I had about 20. All of them dead in 2 months
I’ve always been pretty hard-core about purchasing only physical copy of games, at least until this current generation of games. I grew tired of trying to find more room to store games. However, after watching this video it made me realize that I kind of miss purchasing physical copies of games for the PS5 and the Switch.
I suppose it’s better late than never. Great video!
Emulation is the best long term preservation solution. Also it’s really convenient too. Plus there’s the benefit of upscaling and filters and mods and save states.
I’ll continue to enjoy physical for as long as it works. Then when it eventually croaks I’ll go the emulation route fully.
Emulation is only good for preservation. However it's not the best way to play these games. The best way to play these games is on their original hardware on a CRT tv.
You can add all the "HD" filters you want, but it will never replace or look as good as the original hardware on a CRT TV.
My take is lets just enjoy it while we have it and of course do our best to take care of them.
@@diasflac0g That's literally why flashcarts like Everdrive exist
@@diasflac0g No, original hardware on a CRT is just the way YOU prefer to play them. Perhaps due to nostalgia. I couldn't give a rat's ass about CRT. And why would I want the look and feel of original hardware? I just finished playing Fatal Frame on PCSX2 at 1080p unstretched widescreen with HD textures. It looked and played great. And over the weekend I played Ocarina of Time randomizer co-op with two other people. Can't do that on original hardware, can you?
Yup, emulation is great. Being able to play 3DS games on the big screen with an Xbox controller instead of my beat up 3DS with a non-responsive "A" button is awesome. And save states make masochist games like Strange Journey Redux more palatable.
I agree to everything you say but I have discovered that a N64digital with vga filter applied looks better than a Sony BVM crt 14’’. The N64 is connected on LG Oled and HDR is also enabled on n64digital settings
Great video! I think by the time physical media does begin to deteriorate, reproductions will have evolved to the point of being able to be near identical to the originals. Reproductions of games and consoles will be more important for preservation for future generations than a raspberry pi.
Why would people bother with repros when there are much, MUCH easier ways to play older games? And I’m not talking about the .01% who “have to have it physically”. I’m talking the general population.
Just get a flash solution and dump your collection. But it has to happen before the only source are the internet.
@@brostenen Why? The internet isn’t going anywhere. Do you know how hard “they’ve” tried to kill off piracy? Many, many, MANY times. As long as the internet is open, you’ll never get rid of piracy .
@@leeartlee915 Ohh... I know.... Been on the internet since 1995. But that is nothing a search wont fix. Still it takes a decent amount of search, and if that is too much for some to do, then that person is simply too lazy.
@@brostenen Fair enough but I don’t have much patience for people who are “too lazy” for stuff. Those are the types of people that… well, I just don’t have much sympathy for that lot.
I have PS1 games that are now almost 30 years old, and still working perfectly. I've heard many tales about disc rot, but I've never experienced it.
The day physical media dies, is the day I stop buying new games.
No PS1 rot, but my Crazy taxi Dreamcast disc has finally started separating
I've never had a physical game or movies that stopped working. I have over 30 Atari 2600 carts that all work. All of my disc media works. I think it's a matter of how you store things along with temperature.
Born too late to colonise earth,
Born too early to colonise space,
Born just in time to own way too many video games.
I felt that. 😔
Every once in a while my games on Steam change their name, and I'm scrolling through my massive list, and then I suddenly stop like "wait a minute... WTF is CRSED:FOAD and why do I have it?"
I've had a handful of CDs, DVDs, and especially Laserdiscs succumb to disk rot but I can't say I've ever had that problem with a game disc for any format. I've had to replace a handful of game discs but that's because of scratches, not disk rot.
Anyway, I'm a Gen X'er who is turning 50 next year so I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of physical copies of games that I have will outlast me.
I have a feeling that the ninth generation of consoles (re: XBox Series X and/or PS5, i've never been that fond of the Switch due to it being too big for a freaking handheld) will be the end of the line for me when it comes to console gaming. If the 10th generation of consoles is always-online with no physical media as I'm fearful it might be, I'm just not going to bother with it and I'll stick to older games or PC games.
We don't take these games with us when we die. I started selling my collection over the years and would rather emulate or just play games off of SD cards or HDs now. Less stuff I have to worry about getting rid of when I'm too old or too ill to enjoy them anymore.
Ironically, """""piracy""""" is what will preserve most of video games, music, books, movies, HQs and every other bit of art and entertainment pieces. It's already doing it
It will suck when older physical media stops working, but as long as there are ways for future generations to play those older games then I'm happy. Great video as always!
It won’t happen within your lifetime. I’d not worry about it. The failure rates on 40 year old Famicom games that have been not left out in a forest to rot is close to 0.
The answer to that big question is easy. You keep holding on to your dead physical media. Then get a flash solution and get a new copy from the internet. You have the original, so it is just a backup. Or you start dumping the entire collection today.
In The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild and his sequel, there's a ninja clan called the Yiga. They're dressed in red and totally obsessed with bananas (they drop it when defeated and you can mess with them using bananas as lures and such).
Makes me smile.
you can always backup the ISO file in the disc, buy some empty disc, burn the isos into the disc, and play thoose. even i do that kind of "backup" with my PS2 / PS3 game collection.
if your console dies... thats a bigger problem, since as i know, building a PS2 / PS3 console from scratch is very difficult, if not inpossible... and the supply is very low...
so i suggest buying some old consoles for extra backup.
I dont expect my kids to want my old physical games but they sure make a good investment for them after I'm gone.
From what I read, old NES games were designed to last longer then a Switch Cartage. The save battery for the original NES is good til 2030 about, then were going to hear a lot more people talk about how their NES save batteries died. I read the game itself might last 100 years or longer.
I believe Switch cartridges use Flash memory and not MaskROMs. So eventually the data programmed on them will be lost. NES games (officially licensed ones) use MaskROMs which won't lose their data over time. They can still fail but the should last a long time when in a good environment. 100 years? Not sure about that.
Hoarding consoles makes more sense to me than hoarding games. Consoles will definitely fail more often than games will, so having a backup console or two (or three) is the way to go. Also, having some modded consoles to run games from HDD/SSD/SD is also a good fail safe in case games stop working. Cover your bases and you'll be able to play until you die.
1. Buy console.
2. Refurbish it or you can skip this step and buy it pre-refurbished from a reliable source - I bnought my Xbox/Xbox 360 pre-refurbished and they both have great temperatures.
3. Mod/jailbreak console.
4. Install all your game backups on DVDs, USBs or hard drives... whatever you prefer.
5. Make a 2nd backup of all your games to a brand new, large, unused drive just so you never lose them.
6. Enjoy having a clutter free house.
@@Manic_Panic All my consoles were refurbished and modded/jailbroken by me, and all my physical games fit in a box, while all physical/digital game backups are safely stored away in my server. Been there, done that 🙂
Full physical games are getting harder and harder to keep.
I just reacquired a copy of Guitar Hero Metallica for the Xbox 360. My old copy was lost a long time ago. I have all of the dlc for it, but it’s saved on an old 360 HDD. My new Xbox 360 does not contain this dlc, so I may/may not be able to transfer the information to my newer system. If I cannot, then that dlc is lost forever.
This is SO disappointing. I paid for it years ago, but probably cannot access it. Guitar Hero Metallica is not a complete game without the dlc.
Digital only media and dlc is finite. Giving up control to the publishers and game companies is a danger to the future of gaming. While I may be able to still enjoy the content on the disc (with a working Xbox 360), I cannot experience what I once did so many years ago.
This is why I am staunchly against an all digital gaming future. We must preserve our hobby as much as we can. The only way we can do that is to own, keep, and preserve physical copies.
Take care of your games, people. Otherwise, we will be slaves to game publishers and copyright expirations. We will own nothing and we will NOT like it!
When i first started reacquiring, i was in my hometown which is VERY humid and coastal, so i ran across cartridges that were horribly rusty and dirty inside. I still have a handful of those that I refurbished including my SNES game genie. Needless to say, where these things are kept is very important.
Also, I’ve had to replace several batteries on cartridges lately, which is more often than not the first thing to take a poop in cartridge based games.
My input is this: do some research and get yourself a soldering gun. It isn’t difficult at all. As for older disc based games… we have no control over that aside from storage.
Love your stuff man! You’re touching on all the details of really important topics within the retro gaming world. Like you said it may seem silly now but when my son is my age it would be nice for him to be able to play the games i loved.
The physical games we have should be able to last for hundreds of years. Think about vintage, and I mean the really old radios we have that still work. Remember, we're all told that the plastic we make doesn't break down for thousands of years, so that means the games should last that long too.
We revel in the future technology of emulation.
Well one thing about the younger generation is that they’re not paying for their games, when they get older they’re going to start to want physical copies. I feel like in a couple more years that it’s really going to balance our physical is making a comeback in every thing.
I don't even want to know how bad it will feel to have nostalgia for games which were never released physically or relied on a server being online... etc etc. The newer generations are in for a world of hurt.
@@ReinMixTape true I feel bad for a lot of them because when they’re about 30 years old and they want to go back and relive some of your childhood experiences they are not going to be able to.
@@ReinMixTapeBack in 1997, there was an online game service called Gamestorm. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameStorm
It shut down in 2001, and almost all the games they hosted are now unavailable to play. That's just one story... there are hundreds like that (mostly MMO or other online only games).
Took a break from Mario Wonder to watch this. That’s high praise good sir 😉 cool to see that you’re playing it as well (along with the rest of the world). Anywho, I think it’s time for the nightly collection stare-down. 👋
I really enjoy your content! Speaking of physical media, maybe you could do a video about the evercade and it's games?
When my Nintendo 64 started to show it's age, it started malfuctioning which caused the saved data of most of my games to be removed, so I bought a new system.
I hate that games are going in the direction of being all digital. This is why I do not care to buy or play Alan Wake 2 right now. I love my physical collection
My turbografx games will never die. Those HuCards are like cockroaches that will survive the apocalypse.
They sure do seem durable. Especially if you keep them in their sleeves.
I finally got myself a soldering iron last month, and was able to revive a couple old cartridges with dead save batteries (Unirally and Pokemon Silver). I'm feeling a little better for the health of my collection as a result. I think maintenance will become more of a factor for people who want to play original copies in the future, and everyone who can't be bothered will be fine with emulation. ODEs and flashcarts.
I keep hearing about disc rot, but haven't seen it myself, and I have a few early compact disc pressings from the early eighties. I hope it's an overblown concern.
Disc rot is a thing. Trust me.
Almost all games are digital today, also these older games can also be downloaded in a digital copy. It's nostalgic to get the physical copies though!!
They are wanting people to go all digital... but give poor options for storage..
Another excellent video! I recently did a response to your Sega and Nintendo Guy video! Love the channel dude!
Very cool! I'll have to check it out.
I still have CIB DMG Game Boys with the original AA batteries wrapped in the plastic and none of them have exploded or corroded yet. Honestly blows me away, I've been expected them to go for years and years now and it hasn't happened
This is why Emulation is so important.
Indeed. Emulation just gets such an undeserved bad rep. It's very crucial to preserve our collection for when god forbid our physical games are no more.
As much as I love video games, I don't actually think video game preservation is important, it seems important to some but things come and go, and I don't think generations in the future will really care about Mario 3 etc, retro gaming from our generation will be even more of a niche hobby than it is now. Today's generations laugh at graphics pre PS3, their retro experience will be totally different to ours, music is very similar, it's unlikely your CD rack is filled with music from the 40's or 50's now is it?
@@joeyjockey6400Curious, I’m new to collecting retro games and emulations. Do you make a backup from your own game or download it from a database/rom website?
Game preservation is as much important as arts and books preservation which is really important. theres no reason not to preserve older game. imagine how awesome it would be to play a game people made hundreds of years ago... this is just awesome !
@@RetroGamesBoy78 Interesting that you brought up music, because contemporary music is very shallow and it seems great artist are all ageing. It is one thing that famous rock band get so long in he tooth that they cannot tour anymore, but even OG techno DJs are in their 50s now, and seemingly there is nobody backfilling them.
Difficulty aside I think Mario 3 is still relevant, and when it comes to the 40s, my kids absolutely love early Tom & Jerry too... :)
06:34 Please don't horde games. I wish I could shout this from the rooftops.
I have had physical games kept across all system types and by my experience disc systems like ps1 tend to get scratched over time by playing them , inserting a game into the system too often also is something to consider. How often are you removing the cartridges? Do you play your games with clean hands and use a sweat cloth to wipe your finger goop ? your N64 needs the games taken out and the pins cleaned from time to time... I could get on to people about the way their games are kept. lol
NO BLOWING! I always cringe when I see someone blow into a game cartridge. The condensation on the metal contacts from your breath appears to fix a game, but you have doomed your game to death by electrolysis. Instead, use rubbing alcohol with a cotton swab to clean the contacts on problem games and recently purchased used games.
Alaways watch those sneaky games close.
"When Our Physical Copies of Games All Die" ,.
welp thats when I Die~
R.I.P poor me T-T //
I have discs from the early 1990s that still work. My copy of Killer Cuts that i got in 1995 still works for example. Love the content btw. Im eating a banana as i watch this 😅
Atari 2600 games will live forever they can not be killed, like cockroaches! 50000 years from now when archeologist dig us up the only thing they will find is Atari games to judge our culture on.
we'll always have our old brick gameboys
1:30 Carebears job
You can make back ups of all your games for all your systems that are PS3/X360 and earlier and fit them all on a 4TB hard-drive. Then make a backup of that in case that fails. Problem solved. All these systems have ways of playing your backups whether it be hard/soft mod or multi carts. I don't see how they expect to go disc-less for newer systems when most games are 100 GB plus now and hard-drives are only 1TB in PS5/XSX. Seems like they are gonna just loose out on sales. I don't think most people are gonna want to wait hours playing game switcheroo with re-downloading entire games to play again because of small hard-drive space.
Awesome video! Just found your channel! Thank you for talking about preserving physical media! Man, can't imagine not being able to actually hold a copy of my favorite games.
Glad you found the channel and welcome aboard!
Greatest UA-camr of ALL time!!!!
Your mass-produced memory drives and sd cards are far more likely to fail or glitch out before official cartridges will , , take decent care of your games , , , big companies greed trying to push gamers to idiotic non physical media or dreadful term download-only consoles ,that company greed will most likely FINISH those companies, ,their blind greed will bring their downfalls, , , ,😮😊😮
It's not the old games I'm worried about dying. it's the newer games. Wii U systems and 3DS games are already starting to have issues. It's minor right now but could get worse as time goes on. It's rumored that Blu-Ray discs will have a much shorter life compared to CD's and DVD's. Meanwhile Atari 2600's that are 45 years old as well as the games that have been stored in storage for who knows how many decades, still work fine for the most part.
Tip no.5 on how to be a good parent: Buy bananas. Lots and lots of bananas.
I bought a 3ds game from a retro store it was so rot ed that I couldn't get the full title screen I looked at some of my other 3ds games a few of them had signs of rot 1 of my 3ds stop working it is one on the first released new3ds handhelds I figure my other 1 will stop working in 10 years or sooner
@@andysnyder3844 Yup. That's what I mean. It sure feels like newer stuff is designed to fail. Planned obsolescence.
@@GoodVibeCollecting my GBA DS lite I think they will live for over 20 more years maybe 30 it's going to be a impossible battle to keep my 3ds working from what I understand a 3ds or wii u can break if you leave it untended for 6 mouths some say a year. I heard if you turn it on and play it a little each month and leave the battery at 50% after it will last a lot longer. I'm going to try everything to do that with my 2nd 3ds
@@GoodVibeCollecting my 2nd 3ds has like 1k in downloaded games and dlc that was only on the eshop many I really want to play I've been playing my 3ds a lot because I'm afraid it will break soon after that's gone my only option is to get a 3ds at a high price and pirate stuff I just don't see any other way
Dude just the thumbnail made me lol you rule !!
Thanks!
Just emulate. All kind of ancient art are works of preservation, don´t worry, just enjoy. Stonehenge, Mona Lisa, Symfonie nr. 5, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom all works of preservation in present time, no problem. Happy gaming and other forms of art.
Death. Also games.
Games don’t die. They were never alive.
Cartridges probably last about 100-200 years. Unless the internet becomes wholly owned by private companies they will always be attainable which shouldn’t happen unless there is a one-world government.
If the internet is mostly blocked by software gateways, anything potentially profitable will be re-released.
well my intellivision carts still work , and those are 40+ years old, the oldest CD/DVD media i own date back to the birth of the medium and they still work too (30+ years some of them) heck even my VHS tapes still work, so i would not be worried, im pretty sure a cart or a CD properly stored will last a few hundred years or even more, now rewritable media like SSD those last much MUCH less wich raises the concern of games carrying rw chips for save files, god knows all the batteries from my nes and snes games have died and have been replaced but is the chips i worry about if the chips die the cart die?
People have been predicting the end of physical media for awhile now which is really just the game manufacturer's wanting to reduce costs. Microsoft tried to be the first to market as an all digital platform with the XBone and lost market share before the console was even released. Short of ecological disaster, I don't think physical media are going anywhere within my lifetime because consumer demand keeps it alive. And in the event that it does happen, I'll still have the backlog to rely on. 😉
On a side note, one of the benefits of being a Nintendo fan is they will probably be the last to stop making physical media. Nintendo's slow entry into disc media was because they own the means of production for cartridges. Making physical media is baked into their business model.
When they stop making physical copies of games I’ll be saving a crap ton of money!!
Nothing because I’ve backup my physical collection 5 times and when a new memory format comes out I upgrade
pirates are allready preserving all of these games. unfortunately, without a hacked console, youll have to emulate them. which, in the future, won't be hard to do anyways. we might even have fpga versions of our favorite retro consoles. I mean, we allready do for all the cart systems
Could you make a list of top 5 or 10 NES games to play for people just getting into it
Thought the title meant, what happens to your games, when you die... if you got no family members who are into it, probably gets thrown in the trash.
Good news, I'm one of those weirdos from Gen Z that actually cares about old games. My main focus is currently on 6th/7th gen games, but I do have plans to get to some of the other generations (3rd-5th) eventually, since there are some interesting games in there I want to get at some point.
I've tolld my 10 year old, "l will never sell any of this which means it will all be yours when l die. That also means, when you rage smash my wavebird, you are actually rage smashing YOUR wavebird!!"
Good way to teach your kid to look out for stuff :)
Think about our kids kids kids and 3 more after that they are gonna lose out on a lot i hate that they say just wait till those old guys die than we can do anything im 25 im basically part of your generation were is all this coming from do they believe they will live forever if the air is a little clearer delusional
My children have made a vow to me. The day that the games stop working, they will know that their father is truly dead, and this is the day that the world shall feel our wrath.
Shtick sez: Try being undead-any game looks good at that point.
Put all the games on a 5D optical data storage / Superman memory crystal. No problem.
Don't forget about bootlegs. Bootlegs can be bought new online and while they aren't technically legal, they do count as a physical copy. So bootlegs could outlast the OG original copies keeping physical around for decades.
Most bootlegs (cartridges) use programmable ROMs which probably won't last as long as the MaskROMs used in games from the NES up to the GBA. While MaskROMs do fail like anything else, FlashROM and EPROM can suffer from bit rot. So even though the chip may still function fine the game data would need to be reprogrammed. It can be done but not just anyone will be up for doing that.
Just dump your original collection of genuine copies, and get a flash sollution for your backups. That way you avoid piracy.
To be honest, with 8-bit and 16-bit games I'm not worried about them "going away" - there are plenty of (not so legal but easy) ways to play them. I'm more worried about CRTs going away and the various legal ways of playing them not supporting CRTs (unless you spring for a mister). I'm definitely in the camp that feels like these older games only feel right when you're playing them on a small, consumer-grade CRT. They're still fun otherwise, but this is the experience I remember from my childhood so for me this is how they're "supposed to" look.
I like to collect games with boxes… DS/3DS specifically :U
that's a reason why i am selling most of my retro collection.
all of them but the saturn shmups collection.
Really wish there was something similar to the raspberry pie that had tons of DOS computer games.
Trust me, there will always be at least a few people in the new generations who will be interested in retro video games. I know that because I am part of that few as a 14 year old completely obsessed with old games (especially Nintendo). So trust me, your get on my lawn strategy has definitely worked, at least on me :)
Retro handhelds are a good option for anyone that doesn’t want to fuss too much with emulation. Many are under $100 and I have found they can add to the experience ( like shmups on the RGB30! ). N64, Dreamcast and Gamecube games are still iffy but the tech is improving all the time
I just emulate. Yes, it's about the money. Original copies of games are too expensive right now. But, I'd gladly buy them if they are made available again by the publishers at a reasonable price.
If these old cartridges are maintained they’ll last generations from now.
My only conern for physical + digital game store removal are from games that have difficult being emulated or re-downloaded. I got serveral games backued up but some games have patches.
"disc rot" reminds me of all those people who said to get rid of VHS cuz it'll stop working any day now... I've had way more sd cards stop working than tapes
You couldn't have said it better. Old physical media is going strong and will continue to do so.
Considering the fact dvds are still sold, I think we’ve got a awhile
I wonder what sacrificial disc he put the can on...definitely not rule of rose...im thinking it was an old cindi lauper cd, or maybe one of his bannanaman dvd's (surely he cant do baron greenback dirty like that?)...oh wait thats danger mouse
Haha. It was this random Goodwill music CD I picked up to use as a case swap :)
Tengen games on Sega Genesis have already gone. Games like Grind Stormer ya know? They have bad traces. They once worked, but they have commonly degraded to the point people expect their copies they buy to be on a replacement board.
My reservations aren’t as much with how cartridge based systems will hold up (my ataris are 40+ and it and games play w little hastle). I think the biggest concern is with games that require downloads to install or access to web servers to use the game. I’ve come to believe that modern game companies see retro gaming as competition for their modern products. I believe if left unchecked, companies will edge toward subscription and time limited access to games or will sabotage the secondhand market by pushing physical copies that require significant patching to work.
This video is why I have cart dumpers and software to rip and backup cd games.
This video is great.
Console games are preserved over Retroarch, RPCS3, Xenia, ect. and well organized in Launchbox. Now i`m preserving PC games with cracks. Without them most of the games from 2000-2010s would already be lost.
Physical won’t really go away tbh lol 😂
Records came back from the absolute grave and destroyed cds in value. I think physical games will be long treasured even after the digital wave reminds a generation they don't have control over anything.
I'd be really interested to see if something like that happens. Fingers crossed :)
@@RetroBirdGaming I think of physical as a backup for most games. I see where the industry is trying to take us but they arent gamers and despite giving us "free" digital game with things like game pass they can just as easily manipulate and change any digital game cause we got it for "free"
Love your channel! Keep it up! Binge watch your stuff all the time (:
Thanks for your take, all of my games work as well as my consoles. I try to fix as needed (disc systems mainly) other than that I’ll leave my systems to my kids or grandkids if and when I have them lol grandkids that is. Of course I will have them start the way I did and let them work up to the newest systems. I also have many emulators and roms so no matter what there’s always something there for all.
Really major issue like fire in the house or a break in will always be my biggest concerns. But if there is a fire I'm grabbing rocket knight and the neo geo and running haha 😅
That “dang, I can’t remember where I put it!” comes back rewarding once you accidentally stumble across it again. Even moreso when it’s “I didn’t know I still _even had_ this!”
Gentleman! You have an incredible funny face, i love it. ❤ I enjoyed the video so much, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
You have a unique ability of putting so many things into perspective using bananas as an analogy
Time for another Friday full of bananas, hilarity and well-articulated commentary, courtesy of the R. Bird :) 🍌
Mini systems
I cant afford the OG copies anyways
Like the mini NES! Just as fusterating as the original 😅😅😅
Unfortunately since the 360/PS3 days physical games are useless due to piss poor QC that require Day One patches, some that don't have the full game on the disk (this is a problem with most 3rd party Switch games). A more notorious example was the last Tony Hawk game when that got released the disc only had the first level the rest had to be downloaded (basicly you paid $60 for a demo disc). A more recent example would be the Switch version of the Metal Gear Collection the cart only contains the MSX & NES ROMs of the game the three main games you have to download. Then there is DRM factor (like "internet always on"). PS2, Game Cube, and the OG XBox for Consoles and the 3DS (okay the Evercade) for handhelds were the last systems where Physical Media meant actually having all of the game ready to go.
Cart consoles will last longer* however on optical media based systems the first thing to quit is the laser reader either the mechanical parts or the laser, and replacing them is going to be hard if not impossible. *Propitiatory Chips like the PLA Chip on a NES could be replaced by a FPGA chip once someone makes one until then if they go they're gone. They are making those for the Commodore 64 to replace the highly faulty SID chip (and others) in fact you can now make a C64 that uses 100% new parts from off the shelf parts with the FPGA chips. The Famicom Disk System though (and a lot of other old school Disk Drives) are another issue to deal with if certain parts fail.
Chip Rot varies by many factors like who made the chips, how well they made it (QC), did they cut corners, did the system/cart every experience a power surge, how long has the system/cart have been powered down, and the environment of where the items were played/stored. The biggest time bomb for a cart/system is those that have batteries. If they leak (even button batteries can leak) they'll destroy a cart without you knowing it until it's too late.