Losing my Cool with Johnny Cash the Crew Cab,
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2023
- Got a short video for you all this week. I need to get some loose ends squared away with my wife Elizabeth's truck before we start causing damage . I do have some machining footage in the works that I am working on.
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Ah the age of trucks that actually had a "bench " seat. When they stopped putting them a truck date night's were never the same...
That’s becoming a very nice truck!
💡💡🤔🤔I used the lighter hole in my ashtray in my 1990 GMC Sierra SL to install a blue led push start button off the turn key ignition wire. Works like a charm. BIG Plus anyone trying to steal the truck won't have a clue why the engine isn't starting after busting the ignition key tumbler. Than I reused the + - wires for the lighter to install and power a USB charger in the dash. Win Win
Nothing better, on a Saturday morning, than a good ole country breakfast and a Steve Summers video. 😀😋 Then I get moving, and out to my shop.
over the years I have installed, lights, meters, switches, gauges, and connection points in my various truck's unused ash trays.
I really like the choice of mounting position in the ashtray there. Very clean. 😊
PRETTY COOL SETUP, NICE IDEA.
A Truck named " SUE " is another Johny Cash option...or nickname 🇨🇦🤓👍
Good thing you had that OSHA approved safety beard!
LOVED this video, even running the wire. I had questions about how and where you were going to place the thermocouple and you not only answered every single one but also discussed your interim solution. All the while telling a funny story with a message. In the lovely shop you renovated. On the perfectly restored truck you built for your wife. Damn dude, inspiring much???? 😀WTG.
Thanks, 👍😁 I figured it was best to cover my thoughts and why I did things the way I did, or else folks would have lots of questions.
Great video! The difference of heat transfer between a metal tube in water compared to a metal tube in air is about 25X.
Assuming the air and water are the same temp, yes. Difference between the air and coolant temps comes into play though, so it's not that large a difference.
Your projects are always cool but now you have a digital display of HOW cool. Thinking outside the box at its finest! 🥸👍👀 ❄️ 💨 ✅❗️
On a somewhat related topic. I wanted a water cooled tig torch on my tig welder. I used an aftermarket transmission cooler that I had laying around to pump a 50/50 mix of antifreeze/distilled water solution thru the tig torch, thru the cooler and used a 1 gallon gas can as the reservoir. It works like a charm. the whole setup including the pump cost me about $100. The transmission cooler has plenty of capacity to keep that torch cool. I even installed a little needle valve to regulate how much fluid gets pumped thru the torch, but that probably wasn't necessary. The antifreeze/distilled water solution will ensure that I don't get any lime scale build up from plain tap water.
Nice installation - not that I am surprised by that given your attention to detail. I'm certainly glad I have a transmission temperature gauge on my truck as we haul a 5th wheel travel trailer a lot in traveling season. Mostly we travel in early summer and the fall and so far, so good, but it is reassuring to know. Transmissions can fail very fast if they overheat a lot.
Went down a ladder onboard USS Constellation woke up as you described but with an ankle 2 sizes to big.🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸
Glad to see the GM employees won their fair pay recently ........ that was a good union strike battle. Good for them
Controlled relay is the way to go for switching heavy electrical loads.
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That's a *cool* mod. I like it. And your summation of the fluid circuit water to oil first is spot on in my opinion.
Good to see you and a great video. As a retired electrician, Moore than once I have missed the last rung on a ladder and wound up on the floor. Just in a hurry, not paying attention and it happens so fast. I feel your pain. OSHA wants both hands on the ladder. We used a good sized drill to make 1" hole for wires, but we used the cord to lift n lower the power tool. We always got the ones with a twist lock at the drill or got help from someone to hand it up or take down. You are lucky, I was lucky. But you gotta do whatcha gotta do to get things done. So glad you didn't get really hurt.OSHA can make things so much worse. Take care n slow down. We would really miss you if you were not here for our Saturday morning. Thanks for all you share with us.
Well said .......🍁
Yeah, I feel your pain about that fall. I was shoveling some snow, a couple of years ago, from my somewhat steep driveway. I was foolishly wearing worn-out Crocs at the time. I was done shoveling and was just going to put the snow shovel away, when I realized I was literally upside down. I landed on my Rt upper arm and shoulder. I've taken a fair number of tumbles in my 70 yrs, but I've NEVER had an impact like that. I believe I blacked-out for a bit, but still struggled to my feet, where i leaned on my car for a bit to catch my breath, then, according to my wife, my eyes rolled back in my head and I passed-out, again. It rearranged my entire rib cage on my right side, and it took about 6months to feel even somewhat normal, again.
0:30 Just imagine how good a big chrome roll bar would look in this shot!
Love the channel Steve! 👍
And those headlights work real well.
Nice work Steve
Ladder falls are no joke. Two blokes I knew were 12 months off work with damage to feet from ladder falls.
About two weeks ago, i had a ladder fold up on me, causing me to fall 4' to the concrete butt first, i saw stars, and it took me a couple mins to get up. I had a pretty intense pain in my lower back for a little over a week, it's lots better now. At 51yrs old I was praying I didn't do permanent damage. That ladder met it's maker in the form of a sawzall. Y'all take care
Good to make sure that ladder will never be used. Have done the same plus used a saw to cut a dangerous wood one up as people kept using it. Seen them in use held together with tape and strapping.
That was a class installation job, Steve! My sympathy for the ladder mishap. Been there, done that.
I agree information is key 😊 and you have mounted your indicator exactly where I did in my car 👍
I think we've all done the ladder trick once.
You should be a shop teacher! You really do a great job telling stories. Anyhow, I too have a shop, a brown square body like yours, a great wife (and boy) and a beard similar to the point the wife said we look almost twins. Almost feels like I'm watching myself when I watch your vids.
Nice job, Sir.
A comment my uncle made when he slipped and fell on the ice was "It happened so fast I didn't even have time to swear!"
A customer of mine stopped by my shop one day arm in a sling and the first thing he did was throw away a brand new wooden 3ft step ladder into my dumpster. One of the feet broke and he fell off of it. He broke his collar bone, boy was he mad at that ladder. He didn't even bother to return it for an exchange or refund. I later took the ladder out the dumpster duct taped the split leg back together and still use the ladder till this day. This was 20 years ago. I never seen someone so angry at an inanimate object before.
Not only you can manage the transmission fluid temp with this, you can also check if the heat exchanger in the radiator works as it should.
Great vid on a great job, thx a kot!
That ladder story was creepy, stay safe!
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I like those "Shin buster 8000" lug nuts you have there
I love your system and I would do it the same way, except one Thing.
The hot inlet from the trans, has to go to the top of the cooler, and the cold out of the bottom.
The warm area will always be in the top part of your radiator. So you will not get the efficiency of the cooling with the opposite connection.
Hey Steve, glad you're ok. I think we've all had a missed step like you had. Great idea with the tranny temp sensor. The thermocouple can also go on the output line close to the transmission.
Steve, for whatever it's worth, I've been working on a parking lot sweeper that is diesel powered, and the radiator has an integral hydraulic oil cooler on it. I think there's a lot of history behind radiators with transmission coolers on them.
Congrats Steve on setting-up ur Wife's Johnny Cash Truck transmission cooler switch.
Steve worked at a transmission shop when in high school you can get the transmission too cold. When too cold it will not shift untill it is warmed up.
Morning all! 👋
Thank you for sharing. Keeping it cool👍
good thought
Steve looks great I'd actually recommend placing your thermo couple on the output line at the transmission or if I remember correctly there is a spot on the left side where you can add one but not the best.
Pan temp is a good average but in line will show real time max temp what the cooler will be seeing is why I'd like to see the output temp so you nip the temp rise in the bud before it gets out of hand!
Keep up the good work!
Hold the heat to the solder longer steve, it should melt and seep from capilary action. Your first solder in the vid was cold.
It is all in the heat and clean everything.
The ATF works best when it is warm so that it being part of the radiator helps the AFT to warm up quicker and then it stabilises with the radiator temp. In winter in particular, the sooner the ATF is up to temperature the better so as not to drag on the clutches.
The as installed wiring system is correct, you do not need to monitor the fluid temperature in the trans pan, what's important is the temperature going into the pan. Remember the fluid is circulating all the time so that any excess heat will be going through the cooler(s). What is vital is to monitor the temperature going back to the trans as that does not want to be overheated so that your thermistor is correctly positioned to warn of that and to switch on the fan to add extra cooling. If you are paranoid about the trans temperature fit a simple temperature gauge.
I messed up my back stepping off the 2nd to the last step! Major jolt to my back!!
On that first right hand turn on your country road I think I saw a Bigfoot.
Stay safe Steve. I would really miss you in Saturdays if something happens to you.
since he's relatively safety minded, worst he really has to face is a mob of weirdos showing up to tickle him and run away.
Very well done Steve Great explanation on all your work thank you
I would be impressed if that radiator is enough to keep it cool on a hot day pulling heavy. Of course you are unlikely to be dragging 20klbs around behind you like I do and that makes a big difference.
Davis Craig makes a thermostat controlled electric water pump. Eliminates the need for a fan bely driven engine water pump.
Glad that I finally got to see Cora there! I knew you were not supposed to be working unsupervised!
Belated Halloween greetings from Thailand!
😁. Happy late Halloween to you as well.
Those roads make me miss home
Its not an ash tray, its a money box for loose change........ while cash/coins still exist.
A friend of mine was telling me about a ladder experience he had once. He was standing on the very top of a six foot step ladder. You know that part that says do not stand or sit. He was working away and needed a different tool, so he took a step to go get it. Good thing he was young and agile back then. He said he jumped up dusting himself off looking around to see if anyone seen.
Take it from a guy that has learned the expensive way, you can kill a transmission by over cooling it. This is why factory cooling is done in the radiator. Engine coolant keeps your trans temperature in optimum temperature range, not too hot or cold. For this reason your fluid should go to the external trans cooler first, then pass through the radiator so that it stays within the optimal temperature range for best transmission life.
I actually was powertrain cooling engineer for GM Truck Engineering. A few random thoughts: the heat transfer of the fluid/fluid "top" tank cooler is significantly more than the fluid/air cooler. Also, the fluid/air cooler is dependant on airflow which correlates to speed. Airflow through becomes more restricted the closer you mount to the radiator. The top tank coolant is lower than engine temp... otherwise your radiator isn't doing anything. You could move your thermocouple adapter to the trans cooling outlet versus dropping and welding on the pan. Where you take the reading is irrelevant; its just a reference point. A temporary way to capture pan temp is to run a thermocouple attached to the dip stick. Way easier to just monitor the data stream.
Great video
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Been there. After my fall decades ago I started carrying a rope with me to hoist my tool bag up, and lower it down when I was finished so I would have both hands on the ladder rungs. Glad you didn't get seriously injured.
I have been told with these transmission you should run the aftermarket cooler first that way it the temp of the transmission will be warm enough to let it go into lock up because in the winter it mite no get warm enough to let the transmission to gointo overdrive and or lockup because to cold
I think the 4L80 has a temp sensor built into the harness at the valve body and it is accessible in OBD data. I bet there is an option in your PCM that could have been used as well. Either way, loved the project in this video.
They do have a built in thermocouple in the trans wiring harness. It can definitely be accessed with a proper scan tool. I believe the ECU monitors trans temperature and can put it in limp mode if the temperature goes above some set temperature. 👍
Thanks for watching the videos 😁
Hey, Steve. I've used those same type connectors and have found that a little soldering flux on the wires makes for better solder penetration while applying heat to the connection. You should test it out to see if it makes a better connection. It might be good content for another video. Have a great day, and stay safe. Sorry about your boo boo. ;)
I will try that👍
Would also suggest making sure wires are clean as well. Plus switch 12v and not ground as that is less likely to result in the fa motor rotting as it now always has power. This means any moisture in it will cause corrosion as the current flows to ground. Putting the relay near the battery and close to the fuse means less high current wire runs. Controller supplies 12v to the relay as well so no corroding there. Plus switching supply means if you want to get ac running again you simply splice in the 12v wire as the ac will apply 12v to run the fan as well. Less work overall and you could simply have spliced in a single wire to the fan.
Suggest moving the sensor to the input side as after all you want to see if the fluid is arriving hot not that the cooling is working so sense if the trans is working hard and apply extra cooling till it is not. Trans normally gets hot with slip so highway is not a worry but frequently changing gear or not locking up gets it hot fast.
@@SeanBZA I agree with switching the positive side, but how does mounting the relay closer to the battery make the high current wires shorter?
@@SeanBZAI’ve found it quite common for switched grounds in the GM vehicles I’ve owned and modified. The aftermarket EFI system in my 68 Camaro switches the grounds for the electric fans. Not saying it’s the only or correct way, but it is quite common design from the OEMs. The trick for add-on components is ensuring the added ground point has a low resistance bond to the chassis ground. Relying on a fastener isn’t sufficient in most cases, so it’s always best to remove any paint from the chassis prior to fastener installation. Been using those solder sleeves for 30 years or so. They are quite common in the aerospace industry for splice repairs. I did many of them on the space shuttle.
@@paulharris9434 Here the fan is literally a foot away from the battery, so you just need to have a foot or so of high current wire, the rest can be low current wire, as the fan ground already is there to run it, no extra wire needed. Just have the battery, the fuse, and the relay right there, nicely weatherproofed, and then a wire to the fan in a sleeve to protect it, and then run the control wire to the controller, which also has a nice extra safety in that if the 12V to the controller fails the fan will not run, even if the relay in the controller sticks on.
The coolant heat transfers from your 2 heat exchangers should be more than adequate for your configuration and use. This is not Formula 1, NASCAR, or a compact nuclear reactor🎉😂. I agree with a closer control location closer to the output rather than the input. Love your videos dude, keep on recording.🤙👍👊👊
Hi Steve. Some Silverado's, Sierra's, Suburban's, etc. came with a trans temperature gauge in the instrument cluster. Your 4L80E may already have a temperature sensor built in. I'm not sure which ones do or don't. I think though the way you set yours up will work fine and is certainly better than not having any idea what the trans temp is.
Obviously you have to much on your mind if you fell at work. Remember, life is always full of distractions. Make sure you prioritize what matters most to you. Take care and nice to see a video from you. It tells me you're alive and kickin.
Put the sensor in the line from the transmission to the radiator before it's cooled
I'm sure glad you just gota bit of road rash from that fall. many folks get hurt really bad from ladders that fail. Neat setup. As far as I am concerned these trucks meant to pull or carry big, heavy loads should come from the factory like this. Well done bud. Great install.
great video, the temperature of the radiator will be a lot lower that the engine temp as the thermostat only allows flow to the engine when required. so your hot oil from the transmission will generally be hotter that the coolant in the radiator.
Cool piece! Nice work! 🤟🏽😎
You can move your probe to the line coming out to radiatir input and get a closer reading of oil temps than being out in grille and getting air cooling that can give you misreadings or temps lower than you want to kick fan on... then do the pan mod if you feel you need that when you change oil and filter...🇨🇦🤓👍
If you catch it after the radiator then you are basically measuring coolant temp not the transmission temp.
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yes ..why i would put it after it leaves transmission...
That's a lot of monkeying around when all you need is a temperature switch in your coolant line to operate the fan relay. Just find one that comes on when the transmission coolant reaches a temperature that is above the recommended level. With your ability to fall off a ladder, chances are you will drive your truck and trailer off the road while trying to read that monitor and fiddle with all those little buttons.
Steve, you need to monitor temperature both before the radiator and return to transmission.
Great stuff as always! 🤘🏻
put a sensor in the line coming out of the tyx and the line coming out the final cooler to see the tx temp and temp drop across the radiator.
Davis Craig made some of the first thermo fans in Australia. I used to run one on my panel van a long time ago made a big difference to the fuel economy
I know the feeling of missing a step only my foot took the impact hurt for weeks.
I like the practical and ingenious things the pragmatic things you do, but the spikes on the wheel hubs, I'm just going "why"? What's the point . . . er, oh, heheh
Id put the relay and all the high amp parts as close to the battery as possible using no-ox on all the connectors.
Gotta keep your cool! Good idea if you’re hauling…
You made a simple cooling circuit quite complex. You could have used a thermal switch with the value you want and there is a relay for the fan already in the car, you could have controlled it with that thermal switch.
In cooling circuit, the temperature measurement should be after the cooler, so you have it in the right place. If it were in the oil sump, the fan would run unnecessarily.
Something to consider Steve, is the faster your cooling air flows thru the heat exchanger the less time there will be for heat transfer to occur, I would advise you to have a variable speed fan
The way you plumbed your cooler setup is pretty much identical to how Chevrolet did it from the factory on my HD 1 ton van. If their engineers thought it would work for HD applications it's likely just fine.
That's my thoughts as well. They have been doing it like that forever.
Davies craige is an Australian cooling accessory company. They do automotive electric coolant pumps too. I played around with that stuff few years ago.
I'm so paranoid about ladders at work, I won't let anyone else help when I'm installing fibre optic cables in the ducts above our data centre. I know if I'm doing something safe or unsafe on a ladder, but I can't keep my eye on my colleague 100% of the time to make sure they're not doing something unsafe.
Anyway, hope you heal up quickly, and thanks for another interesting video.
My 2017 Ford pickup ttranny temp maintains a 175 temp.
That is a good temp IMO
I think I saw someone who put a trailer brake controller in an ash tray similar to what you did.
I wonder if someone makes a dual thermocouple monitor box so you could have the pan temp connected to the fan controller and also simply monitor transmission inlet/outlet temperatures.
Nice job on the additional trans cooling. I would like to draw your attention to 18:00 in the video. The open space seen between the core support and the cooling stack ( radiators) will allow air while at speed to rise over the cooling stack and while at low speeds or siting still will allow some of the heated air that exit the stack to recirculate back through the stack lowering efficiency of the system. If you shroud the cooling stack on all four sides to funnel all the inlet air from in front of the core support it will aid in cooling especially on those hot summer days.
I have been looking for a good way to seal around the radiator. I was thinking some sort of foam.
@@SteveSummers I have used everything from foam, rubber weatherstripping, conveyor belt material along with aluminum sheet/structural stock welded and/or riveted for structure.
@@SteveSummers How about the foam swimming noodles?
hooray!! welcome back Steve.
when yall LS swapped it, did you stash the data link somewhere?. you can use the data link to monitor trans temps and some pressures...
Ahhh the first 2 minutes he spent describing my experience with half my gm trucks. Hopefully this works but sadly certain transmission conditions can create lots of extra heat. Because of the way the transmission coolers work you can sometimes out stone cold oil back into the transmission from the cooler and still have an overheat condition.
Yeah your sensor really needs to be in the pan unless you do like i did and put a sensor in front of the cooler and another after the cooler. Lol but then i mounted my cooler underneath next to the transmission for a number of reasons.
Usually most people recognize that the transmission oil temperature is supposed to be greater than the coolant temp. Getting the transmission oil temperature up to operating temps is as important as keeping it from overheating. This is why the original engineers ran the exchanger through the coolant.
When dealing with transmission cooling you have to be careful and realize that the cooler doesn't necessarily get a full continuous flow. Some only get full flow under certain conditions. Such as torque converter lockup or lack of lockup. I cant remember which ad its been a long while since i dealt with the issue.
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Is there any hysteresis on the controller? Ideally you’d want the fan to kick in at, say, 160 but not kick off until 150. Otherwise the fan may short cycle as the thermocouple is so responsive.
Those temp controllers have programmable hysteresis.
Yeah, that little controller is very capable. 👍
Thanks for watching
But if you get rid of the 'spare change and misc bits of stuff' container, where will all that go? :)
A must install for auto Trans, they can over heat a bag 1000's of dollars out of pocket.
Fell like that few years back me and my brother were on a walk board that broke fell so fast neither of us realized we fell shattered his ankle fractured my femur
If the cooler that's built into the radiator and the additional cooler are doing their job, the fan shouldn't need to run. Only if the fluid reaches a too high of a temp, then the fan should kick on. Make sense? 🤔
How'd you get a "Transformer" to work with DIRECT CURRENT? All of my electrical training taught me you must have alternating current for a transformer to work. What am I missing?
It is a module designed for the purpose. It has all it needs to do the job inside the box
@@johnrussell6620 gotcha...must make some some kind of wave form.
Just wondering if the inlet side should be going in to the top of the radiator and the cooler side should be coming out the bottom? Probably not too important but my ocd seems like it should be the other way around? Always glad to see an update from you Steve.
My thoughts were that running the fluid in the top of the radiator / trans cooler could cause an air pocket to stay inside, reducing its ability to transfer heat properly. I could be wrong here. Running the feed in the bottom should actively push air through the system. I've been wrong before 😄.
Thanks for watching 👍
If you think you blacked out, even for a second, you should've seen a doctor. Glad you're OK tho.
The right name is DC-DC converter, not a transformer.