The kick starter is available as an option if you want it, there is a screw on larger foot available for the side stand, I have the 15 litre IMS tank, gives me 300 Kms range. After market brake pedal that extends the length and width . There is a rear steel rack available you want to carry some gear or a small top box for adventure touring. It is certainly very rideable and also very reliable. Get one, I did and it’s incredible.
Me three! Loved the 390RR. I think I slightly prefer the Beta 250RR two stroke. I will be buying one soon! Wish they made youth bikes (i.e. 65 and 85 xc oriented bikes). I wont be buying another orange bike for myself.
I have been waiting for this review ever since you started riding it. Thank you, excellent information and very thorough review of the bike. Beta has definitely got my attention. I think the funny thing about many riders is they see reviews or read things in magazines which are trying to stretch out the most extreme to the edge performance, and by that I mean wheel spinning power, but the vast majority of the riders do not have the skill or the situation to use or need every ounce of 'fire breathing' performance. I have run into riders who quickly dismiss my comments regarding setup, control and confidence being more important. They have ego and testosterone blocking out reason. So, they get what will impress others and do things to tell others about, but they get the wrong bike with the wrong setup. They do have cool stickers though ;-) Most riders in my experience just go riding. And while many do ride very difficult, technical trails, the high performance they really need is control. That is what you are telling us this bike does. Provides enhanced control which leads to higher level of confidence, which leads to better days on the trail. I have begun meeting other riders on the trail who are starting to get that idea now too. Funny thing is, they are all saying the same thing. Increased control and confidence allows them to ride longer, be faster in almost all situations, and have less fatigue. All of which leads to a better experience. Thank you for your Excellent review!
Love that seat and handles very nice, i just bought the new 2020 honda crf 250f. Fun little trail bike with some surprising power. But man if i could ever get my hands on a beautiful bike like this Beta whooo weee GORGEOUS
I put guards on both brake discs, radiator guards, bark busters with hand guards, rekluse clutch, heavy duty water pump, larger tank (which required a special seat from Seat Concepts), and a few other guards which makes it a much better (and costly) bike.
That issue with the dash is the bike battery not being strong enough to crank the engine. When you press start, the voltage sometimes drops below the dash memory voltage trying to crank the engine, and the trip meter and clock reset. Try it out with a multimeter on the battery doing repeated starts. Odd that you love the fork, it's universally unloved in Australia, where tuners find it hard to get a good action from it, certainly in the previous years.
I had a 400 EXC for a long time and I liked that engine better than the newer 450's , sounds like this Beta has very similar characteristics of the 400 EXC , it suits people under 155lbs who find a 450 too much of a handful but also want more torque than a 250-350
I agree, I got a chance to ride all of them and the Race Editions were the best, the 250/300 almost made me go 2T again. I ended up with a Husky 350FX 2019 in the end because of the price was too good to pass up.
Seems like a cool bike. Noticed you said you did Tubliss on rear. If I haven’t ever used tubliss and want to try it, I was thinking of doing it on the rear (since that is usually where one gets pinch flats). Is this the proper thinking?
Yeah, looked good so I bought a 2021 390 RR Race. Arrived from the factory in Italy without a muffler/exhaust. Dealer put a used, noisy crappy FMF one on it that I absolutely hated and it was not the one that came with the stock bike. Within a couple of months, it was in for a top end gasket replacement. A month later it need a fuel sending unit. Also, the speedo unit did not work when I got it. When I finally received the exhaust/muffler two months into my season, the tire hit the insideof the muffler and made big black marks. Beta said this was normal in the email they sent me. The LED aftermarket lights the dealer put on also didn't work and they weren't able to figure out where the problem was. Also lost a head pipe bolt within a few hundred kms. PDI was abysmal. Distributor provided absolutely no help whatsoever though they were aware that the bike shipped with parts missing.
If you don't mind someone other than Kyle speaking on this, I can tell you my experience. What I noticed about the Husky vs Beta in ways of geometry, is the Beta actually feels a little more open in the cockpit area. I felt like I had a little more room to move around on the Beta, whereas the Husky had me continually messing with bar position to find comfort. But the Beta is lower to the ground by a bit less than an inch, so that is where I think it is a good bike for the sub 6 footers. In my personal opinion, I felt the Beta was more of a comfortable geometry. The Husky on the other hand, felt like it put you in an attack stance for aggressive riding. So I think it's preference. But again, this is just how I felt from one to the other.
Kyle, I’ve had flats with my Tubliss this year for some reason. Have you heard about any common issues this year? I had great luck with Tubliss for the previous 2 years.
Great review I agree as I had a 16 390 great bike put like 350 hrs on it.bythe way mine had a kick starter and I could never kick it over nore could any of my riding buddies.one time my battery died and we had to switch batteries from another bike to get me out of the woods.thanks
Bought a new 390rr in 2017, have had a ton of problems with the wiring. While I still own it I and like how it rides, looks, - just went back and bought an orange bike. Beta is now back up bike
I had my mind set on a exc-f 350 then I kept seeing these Beta reviews. Only problem is that Beta is more expensive than KTM and only a couple of dealers in my country. I may have to side step them this time.
Im nowhere near ready to buy a bike atm. But if i were to buy one now (having never ridden any mind you) I would probably look at the beta 200 2 stroke. Just sounds like it would be the right bike
All the bikes I have ridden from street bikes to cruisers, scooters and. 4 wheel and 2 wheel dirt bikes all have the start button on the right hand side. I would say it would be odd on the lefthand side.
So after first oil change you do it every 30 hours wow ,I'm had that split system in ktm back in 2010 gear box held 1 litre in the gear box 500 mills in the engine I would not trust it for 30 hours.
Why not? Put synthetic oil in a diesel truck and they say you can go 12000 miles. I know they are different machines but if an oil could last that long in a vehicle why couldn't it last 30 hours in a bike?
@@Saa45MIV 40k+ miles in diesel truck to be honest. With primary filter at 25k and bypass filter at 50k. Been doing that in my Dodge Cummins for most of it's 15 year life and at 176k miles so far.
I’m 6’4 240lbs., mostly upper torso, 33 inseam, been riding downhill and trail mtb. bikes my whole life, BC Canada. Could I get away with this as my first Bike? Mostly for backroads, some trail riding, maybe make it dual sport.
Ditto… I would very much like an opinion from someone to compare the older 400rr. I know the forks are much better, and the stroke is still longer on the 390 v 400. Just wondering if the engines behave the same?
Hey Kyle I’ve had major issues with rough idle and power at higher altitudes I am doing stepper motor reset to begin my ride. For example I’ll do reset at 4,500 ft and the bike runs rough above 6,200 and won’t even idle above 6,700 If I do stepper calibration at 3,000 ft it won’t run well above 5,000 feet Any suggestions?
Great review Kyle! One thing that I miss is how the bike is to work/service in the man cave? I really like how easy the KTMs are to work on. Good access, nice put together assemblys with low count of different spanner sizes and so on. How is the BETA in this aspect? I've worked on later models Shercos and they were not as easy to work on as my KTMs. Also, how is build quality regarding the electrics etc. I often find that the Italians struggle with these things... One more question: When can you start buying "Dirt Bike Channel" t-shirts and more? I hope you can sort out overseas shipping also :) Keep up the good work! //Erik from Sweden.
@@100868ful Hi Tony. Are you talking about the U.S market? Here in Australia the wr450f was the top selling enduro bike for 2019. (out sold KTM). I think it is a top seller in Australia and New Zealand because it road compliant from new off the show room floor.
Terry Warren Yes here in the U.S. I love the WR450F and was looking to turn it into a Dual Sport but they dropped it here for 2020. I think because they have the 450fx now. I think they will come out with the 450 Dual sport to compete with the Honda and KTM Dual sport bike segment that is growing big here in the states.
The kick starter is available as an option if you want it, there is a screw on larger foot available for the side stand, I have the 15 litre IMS tank, gives me 300 Kms range. After market brake pedal that extends the length and width . There is a rear steel rack available you want to carry some gear or a small top box for adventure touring. It is certainly very rideable and also very reliable. Get one, I did and it’s incredible.
Great video, I've spent some time on a 390 RR and agree with many of your comments!
Me three! Loved the 390RR. I think I slightly prefer the Beta 250RR two stroke. I will be buying one soon! Wish they made youth bikes (i.e. 65 and 85 xc oriented bikes). I wont be buying another orange bike for myself.
I have been waiting for this review ever since you started riding it.
Thank you, excellent information and very thorough review of the bike. Beta has definitely got my attention.
I think the funny thing about many riders is they see reviews or read things in magazines which are trying to stretch out the most extreme to the edge performance, and by that I mean wheel spinning power, but the vast majority of the riders do not have the skill or the situation to use or need every ounce of 'fire breathing' performance.
I have run into riders who quickly dismiss my comments regarding setup, control and confidence being more important. They have ego and testosterone blocking out reason. So, they get what will impress others and do things to tell others about, but they get the wrong bike with the wrong setup. They do have cool stickers though ;-)
Most riders in my experience just go riding. And while many do ride very difficult, technical trails, the high performance they really need is control.
That is what you are telling us this bike does. Provides enhanced control which leads to higher level of confidence, which leads to better days on the trail.
I have begun meeting other riders on the trail who are starting to get that idea now too. Funny thing is, they are all saying the same thing. Increased control and confidence allows them to ride longer, be faster in almost all situations, and have less fatigue. All of which leads to a better experience.
Thank you for your Excellent review!
I have also met these riders in the comments section.Usually somewhere it says "after a heavy crash etc etc..." lol
@@nickg2431 I believe a line from a Hank Williams Jr. Line is appropriate here:
"It was an attitude adjustment..."
Love that seat and handles very nice, i just bought the new 2020 honda crf 250f. Fun little trail bike with some surprising power. But man if i could ever get my hands on a beautiful bike like this Beta whooo weee GORGEOUS
I put guards on both brake discs, radiator guards, bark busters with hand guards, rekluse clutch, heavy duty water pump, larger tank (which required a special seat from Seat Concepts), and a few other guards which makes it a much better (and costly) bike.
That issue with the dash is the bike battery not being strong enough to crank the engine.
When you press start, the voltage sometimes drops below the dash memory voltage trying to crank the engine, and the trip meter and clock reset.
Try it out with a multimeter on the battery doing repeated starts.
Odd that you love the fork, it's universally unloved in Australia, where tuners find it hard to get a good action from it, certainly in the previous years.
Another great review Mr. Kyle. I loved the 390RR race edition as well. To my surprise, I was faster on the Beta 390RR than any of the 2019 KTM's.
I do think that the kicker is a valid thing to have on any bike just for emergency’s great review.👍
Can’t wait for the 2020 models to come out since they sound much more improved. Hopefully you can get a chance to do a review on one too.
Never rode the '19 but just rode the RR-S '20 yesterday at the demo. If I was going to buy a 4 stroke it would be the 390 easily.
I agree about the kick start....it is a very small weight saving....
I had a 400 EXC for a long time and I liked that engine better than the newer 450's , sounds like this Beta has very similar characteristics of the 400 EXC , it suits people under 155lbs who find a 450 too much of a handful but also want more torque than a 250-350
I agree, I got a chance to ride all of them and the Race Editions were the best, the 250/300 almost made me go 2T again. I ended up with a Husky 350FX 2019 in the end because of the price was too good to pass up.
HEY KYLE: How would you compare the 19 RR-race ZF forks to the 20 KYB setup?
Im looking at the 2024 Beta 350 RE, cant wait! Love your reviews
You should accidentally ship it to my house instead of back to them! Great review!
“I want a little bit bigger brake lever”-Every Man…😂
Great review. The 2020 should be great with more fuel capacity and the improved stand among many other revamps.
Seems like a cool bike. Noticed you said you did Tubliss on rear. If I haven’t ever used tubliss and want to try it, I was thinking of doing it on the rear (since that is usually where one gets pinch flats). Is this the proper thinking?
Yeah, looked good so I bought a 2021 390 RR Race. Arrived from the factory in Italy without a muffler/exhaust. Dealer put a used, noisy crappy FMF one on it that I absolutely hated and it was not the one that came with the stock bike. Within a couple of months, it was in for a top end gasket replacement. A month later it need a fuel sending unit. Also, the speedo unit did not work when I got it. When I finally received the exhaust/muffler two months into my season, the tire hit the insideof the muffler and made big black marks. Beta said this was normal in the email they sent me. The LED aftermarket lights the dealer put on also didn't work and they weren't able to figure out where the problem was. Also lost a head pipe bolt within a few hundred kms. PDI was abysmal. Distributor provided absolutely no help whatsoever though they were aware that the bike shipped with parts missing.
why did you accepted the delivery of the bike ?? ;)
Awesome review! Love your work 💯
The likely reasons for it being on the right is because of safety being throttle hand imo, seems likely.
Have you tried the 2020 390 version?
Curious if you like the kyb forks on the 2020 race edition over the Sachs you liked in the 2019?
Thanks Kyle. I’m picking up my new 2019 200rr today. Can’t wait to ride it!
How you liking the bike? Have been on the fence between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke for a while (200rr vs 350rr)
@@stefanpetrov8 did you ever decide?
@@stevetdesigns Got a street bike, MT07. Wasn't going to have time to use an enudro, maybe in the future if I have extra cash hahah. Good luck man
Great review. You mentioned that people that are short will like it, but what about those of us over 6'? Will we think it's cramped? Just curious.
If you don't mind someone other than Kyle speaking on this, I can tell you my experience. What I noticed about the Husky vs Beta in ways of geometry, is the Beta actually feels a little more open in the cockpit area. I felt like I had a little more room to move around on the Beta, whereas the Husky had me continually messing with bar position to find comfort. But the Beta is lower to the ground by a bit less than an inch, so that is where I think it is a good bike for the sub 6 footers. In my personal opinion, I felt the Beta was more of a comfortable geometry. The Husky on the other hand, felt like it put you in an attack stance for aggressive riding. So I think it's preference. But again, this is just how I felt from one to the other.
I'm 6ft and rode them at the demo. It really felt great, actually really liked them
Kyle, I’ve had flats with my Tubliss this year for some reason. Have you heard about any common issues this year? I had great luck with Tubliss for the previous 2 years.
Great in depth review, thank you.
Great review Kyle!
Great review I agree as I had a 16 390 great bike put like 350 hrs on it.bythe way mine had a kick starter and I could never kick it over nore could any of my riding buddies.one time my battery died and we had to switch batteries from another bike to get me out of the woods.thanks
my next bike after ktm excf 350 2018
Nice on point review. Thanks
Bought a new 390rr in 2017, have had a ton of problems with the wiring. While I still own it I and like how it rides, looks, - just went back and bought an orange bike. Beta is now back up bike
I wear size 11 boots and i haven't found a longer foot brake pedal and shift lever I'm always hitting them
I had my mind set on a exc-f 350 then I kept seeing these Beta reviews. Only problem is that Beta is more expensive than KTM and only a couple of dealers in my country. I may have to side step them this time.
Im nowhere near ready to buy a bike atm. But if i were to buy one now (having never ridden any mind you) I would probably look at the beta 200 2 stroke. Just sounds like it would be the right bike
thanks
All the bikes I have ridden from street bikes to cruisers, scooters and. 4 wheel and 2 wheel dirt bikes all have the start button on the right hand side. I would say it would be odd on the lefthand side.
12:31 haha that smack :D
Did you test the 390 & 430? I'm used to a Husaberg fe 570 2011. What would you get? I'm not doing a lot of tight terrain althou I like it haha.
So after first oil change you do it every 30 hours wow ,I'm had that split system in ktm back in 2010 gear box held 1 litre in the gear box 500 mills in the engine I would not trust it for 30 hours.
Got a beta aswell doing those oil changes ever 70-100h and checking it every 20h that's enough in my opinion and I never had a problem
Why not? Put synthetic oil in a diesel truck and they say you can go 12000 miles. I know they are different machines but if an oil could last that long in a vehicle why couldn't it last 30 hours in a bike?
@@Saa45MIV 40k+ miles in diesel truck to be honest. With primary filter at 25k and bypass filter at 50k. Been doing that in my Dodge Cummins for most of it's 15 year life and at 176k miles so far.
@@simonhagg304 lol
@@madman432000 how many litres of oil does your truck hold.
Would like it compared with the 430
I’m 6’4 240lbs., mostly upper torso, 33 inseam, been riding downhill and trail mtb. bikes my whole life, BC Canada. Could I get away with this as my first Bike? Mostly for backroads, some trail riding, maybe make it dual sport.
How this bike compare to an old beta 400 rr (2011-2013 models)
Ditto… I would very much like an opinion from someone to compare the older 400rr. I know the forks are much better, and the stroke is still longer on the 390 v 400. Just wondering if the engines behave the same?
Awesome video, be ace to see how you rate the 2020 390 :-)
Hey Kyle
I’ve had major issues with rough idle and power at higher altitudes
I am doing stepper motor reset to begin my ride. For example I’ll do reset at 4,500 ft and the bike runs rough above 6,200 and won’t even idle above 6,700
If I do stepper calibration at 3,000 ft it won’t run well above 5,000 feet
Any suggestions?
When you loop it that upper sub frame grab handle will break. Ask me how I know lol
I think you need to try some nice SHOWA forks! I don't believe Sachs are better. Maybe they are set up for your weight as opposed to the SHOWA'S?
There on a race to the bottom on weight. Come on Kyle. Beta give him that KTM money
Hey Kyle, If I go into one of your bike give away comps, and win will you freight the bike to Western Australia?🤣🤣😳✊✊✌️
Nice video I just got a rr 125
I don't like the look of the headlight shroud, but everything else about it looks good.
The 2020 model looks a bit different, you might like that better. I agreed with you when I first saw the beta a while back, but it grew on me.
I’m here for the seat height .flat earth
i going to go look at one today ,,
Great review Kyle! One thing that I miss is how the bike is to work/service in the man cave? I really like how easy the KTMs are to work on. Good access, nice put together assemblys with low count of different spanner sizes and so on. How is the BETA in this aspect? I've worked on later models Shercos and they were not as easy to work on as my KTMs. Also, how is build quality regarding the electrics etc. I often find that the Italians struggle with these things...
One more question: When can you start buying "Dirt Bike Channel" t-shirts and more? I hope you can sort out overseas shipping also :)
Keep up the good work!
//Erik from Sweden.
U mean is for short drivers not 6’06” + that’s sucks then someone else said it’s higher then Ktm or husky or gasgas ..
Great review! Wish I had one.
Great vedio,,, but is this bike Japanese reliable ??
It's weird how you said about the kill switch... I have my kill switch in the middle of my handlebars I find it to be more effective?..
wtf why the kill swithc cant be used without taking your hand odd the grip
I wonder how this bike stacks up against a KTM 450.
Where is all this footage taken?!
Got beta 2017 350, in the technical stuff the clutch is a big let down
Loved the review Kyle. I wish Yamaha would send you the 2019/2020 wr450f to review.
Terry Yamaha dropped the WR450F for 2020 :( I am assuming they will be putting out a WR450 Dual Purpose bike to compete with the Honda & KTM .
@@100868ful Hi Tony. Are you talking about the U.S market? Here in Australia the wr450f was the top selling enduro bike for 2019. (out sold KTM). I think it is a top seller in Australia and New Zealand because it road compliant from new off the show room floor.
Terry Warren Yes here in the U.S.
I love the WR450F and was looking to turn it into a Dual Sport but they dropped it here for 2020. I think because they have the 450fx now. I think they will come out with the 450 Dual sport to compete with the Honda and KTM Dual sport bike segment that is growing big here in the states.
@@100868ful Ah ok. They might drop the 450f and bring out a wr450r (big brother of the wr250r dual sport) That would sell well.
4 stroke dirt bikes NEED a kick starter.
Would this be a good first bike for a beginner?
no
@@paahtopro3950
Thank you
Proud to be Italian #betamotor1905
Wr250f try that
So is this bike street legal?
No, rr-s are.
What is a beta?
BETA USA is listening to the consumer...
I’m sure it’s alright but this guy sounds a little biased. He isn’t Scotty Kilmer,
learn how to ride and do some real enduro, instead of jumping lol