What I'm learning with these 32nd Century ship designs is that when a production team has to whip up a whole fleet between seasons and the ships are mainly going to be in the background, we're not going to get a lot of design details to nerd out on. One missed opportunity I think is not adding stretches of transparent saucer hull to reveal large arboretums. The glowy bit on the top of this one could be a transparent dome over pretty large park. You could probably fit like three football fields in there. Although as-is it looks more like it could be a big aquarium for aquatic species.
I figure ships from the 26th century onward can get away with certain features being absent, with the idea that they can be generated holographically, via programmable matter, or simply materializing out of a pattern buffer or replicator array when needed. Weapons in particular come to mind. A ship might look smooth and unarmed or minimally armed, only to have phaser strips and quantum torpedo launchers show up seemingly out of nowhere once they go to red alert.
I agree with most everyone else. The designer at Star Fleet (or show designer) had a bunch of movie era phasers and decided to go from those and make it slimmer and sleeker with the blue on top as the energy readout.
I have the updated issue of Eaglemoss's "Starfleets Ships" which includes the 32nd century starship designs. I love them, they've done so much for me artistically. These would be the biggest kick in the arse the franchise has seen. And I certainly appreciate how the can sit outside the confines of acceptable Star Trek design. But I'm looking at the NOG. I'm sorry if I've missed this detail, is this a STO model? The markings are superior in this model, compared to the renderings EM offer, and they feature the generic texture mapping mentioned in this review. The glowing thruster engine design is something that shocked me, I've never noticed this detail. It before. The Nog is a calming design.
What if the ship was built by or for a mostly aquatic race/crew? The shape leans that way and the big blue area on the top could be windows for a large inner ocean.
I love that they paid tribute to Aron Eisenberg and Nog with a single ship design that is SO unique and different from "Starfleet" that it is instantly recognizable to those of us in the know. Now I just need STO to bring it back so I can get my own. So mad I missed it, literally the only ship I'd ever pay real money for in that game.
Of all the 32nd century ships this one is my favorite. Lots of good and founded critiques in this video, but they don't bother me as much as others, because the overall form makes me happy. Also, its name certainly earns it points.
Every time I see the detached nacelles, I immediately imagine them flying off on their own... This design is just bad in terms of conveying any feeling of serving a purpose. It just looks odd for its own sake Maybe if that tail got stretched out even longer, it could be like a giant alien polo mallet 😆
pilots and a hint of an art deco influence would really bring this to life. Shorten the tail so it looks less like a stylized axe. Otherwise, I'd totally book a luxury cruise on this thing.
I think "aerodynamics" do apply in space once you get to a certain speed. There are particles and stuff floating about you will collide into that will slow you down. deflector shields do negate the need for taking that into account but maybe if they have failed and you still need to go fast under impulse?
I thought it looked like it evolved from roots in the Pasteur, where the important bow shapes and forms elongating, and the stern parts shrinking/atrophying like a vestigial organ. The nacelles scream non-original "mix-and-match" engine upgrades, consistent with what we seem to see from other Star Fleet ships of any century.
18:34. No details on the bottom fin. There should be one little lone window at the very bottom of the fin for that Officer that hates people like in Voyager's "Good Shepard". I'd work there! LOL!!!!
This design could be a reversal of the standard Starfleet design that is more typically non-aquatic focused versus aquatic. The volume, the top open-water deck, and the unusual window placements would make sense if the space behind all of that were a gargantuan water tank.
when I think about this ship, I think Cloud 9 from BSG, or Stargate Atlantis, where this should could function as a floating city if needed. It would explain why there's no window in the front as it's extra shielding while the blue part is an encased city like how Yorktown looks in Star Trek Beyond. That way, people don't really need window views and instead can have building with views of other buildings like a city.
This design is rather....interesting. It's as nice nod to Aaron Eisenberg and his character Nog. It's weird that they didn't actually have it spelled correctly for the class name to match Aaron's last name properly. I agree with Stuart this thing looks like a cruise liner from the front view lol. It's cool that you two knew Aron. I bet he was an awesome guy. I was saddened when I heard he passed.
Its my favourite future trek ship as the rest just kind of look bad imo. This feels more like the idea of alien design elements working their way into Starfleet design philosophy and its the only one that feels like people can actually work and live in it rather than looking like many separate thin sheets of metal. The federation for almost its entire existence was made up of many species, makes sense some ships would be more experimentally alien. Doesn't make sense that every ship would be human design and it feels very space whale and aquatic. Just wish it didn't have the long tail. Whilst I highly doubt it, it would be funny if that top area really was like a giant pool where all the aquatic crew that joined the federation work.
It looks like a hand phaser. That said, I know you touched on the "Star Wars" vibe. Apart from the smooth "aquatic" shapes giving a "Mon Calamari" look, the biggest thing is the circular impulse engines which look like the regular circular Star Wars classical rocket engine designs. That's the thing that really stands out to me, but as there is no requirement for square or rectangular impulse engines, I can easily allow myself to ignore those features and say it's just another alien view on a classic Federation design.
Axion from Wall·e looks better… The 32 Century ships are just too alien…and ugly… Like the flying saucer starship from Forbidden Planet that started it all. Why would humans fly flying saucers?
The problem with sidcovery Ships is there is no engineering theory behind the designs. You look at the TOS and Say "ok that can work". The next-generation very much so! Let get back to using real engineering theory Star Trek!
how starfleet is this, out of 10, 8/10. remember people starfleet goes where none has gone before, so having odd shaped ships feels very starfleet to me. besides at some point saucer shaped vessels would reach its limits of what you can do with them.
The 32nd century designs are some of my least favorite in the franchise. It is painfully obvious that everyone involved in Discovery wished they weren't making Star Trek, and that showed in practically everything, especially in ship design.
Disco Future ships are some of the dumbest looking ships I've ever seen in Sci-Fi. The disconnected bits are really dumb, as soon as you lose power your ship literally flies apart.
@@keirfarnum6811 Everything being made out of programmable matter is just another incredibly stupid idea for that 32nd century stuff. It's just a device to make any dumb idea the writers get while having a poop technically possible, in universe...
These "futuristic" motif are just ugly but more distressing is that it's NOT logical from an engineering perspective !? What are they using transporters to get from one section to another !? Because lord knows that transporters never get knocked off line. EVERY SINGLE EPISODE !!! When they experience ANYTHING those unconnected parts are well NOT CONNECTED 😂 !? Even IF they NEVER have any of the issues EVERY other ships deal with ridiculously often and consistently..it's still ABSOLUTELY ABSURD to need transporters to go from one section to another. This is what "Futuristic" to people with ABSOLUTELY ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE VERY BASIC IDEAS/LAWS/RULES of structural principles !? What realistic "engineering" would be MORE streamline CONNECTED like the defiant shortening the pilons and neck getting rid of structural weak points as well as bottlenecks for personal as well as cables, electrical, liquids ie lubricating, water etc. These Jupiter ascendant unconnected sections of the ships are nonsensical !!! I...I just don't know what else to say or if I was successful in my attempt to articulate my points. 🤨ILLOGICAL 😡 POINTLESS 😫 UNFEASIBLE ON SOOO MANY LEVELS !!!!! STUPIDITY !!!!!🤯🤒😠 Craptastcal "designs giving me a stroke.....
Agreed. The detached nacelle thing is weird. To the “what about your designs crowd,” one doesn’t have to have a record deal to know that Yoko Ono sounds like shit.
I really appreciate you guys, but the both of you sound like you’re trying very hard to like this ship and it’s just not getting there for you but I’ll go ahead and say it for you I don’t like this ship at all. There’s so many things that could’ve been done to make it work even remotely, but they weren’t done.
Looks a little like the Axiom from Wall.E.....
That is what I thought to
Samuel has been a Cmdr for 10 years. He is in danger of doing a Riker, or worse, a Harry Kim.
What I'm learning with these 32nd Century ship designs is that when a production team has to whip up a whole fleet between seasons and the ships are mainly going to be in the background, we're not going to get a lot of design details to nerd out on.
One missed opportunity I think is not adding stretches of transparent saucer hull to reveal large arboretums. The glowy bit on the top of this one could be a transparent dome over pretty large park. You could probably fit like three football fields in there. Although as-is it looks more like it could be a big aquarium for aquatic species.
I agree - one ship in the fleet has that sort of hull and it’s a cool look
I figure ships from the 26th century onward can get away with certain features being absent, with the idea that they can be generated holographically, via programmable matter, or simply materializing out of a pattern buffer or replicator array when needed. Weapons in particular come to mind. A ship might look smooth and unarmed or minimally armed, only to have phaser strips and quantum torpedo launchers show up seemingly out of nowhere once they go to red alert.
I agree with most everyone else. The designer at Star Fleet (or show designer) had a bunch of movie era phasers and decided to go from those and make it slimmer and sleeker with the blue on top as the energy readout.
The floating parts always reminded me of wii bowling.
I like that it looks like the bridge is more protected than before
I have the updated issue of Eaglemoss's "Starfleets Ships" which includes the 32nd century starship designs. I love them, they've done so much for me artistically. These would be the biggest kick in the arse the franchise has seen. And I certainly appreciate how the can sit outside the confines of acceptable Star Trek design. But I'm looking at the NOG. I'm sorry if I've missed this detail, is this a STO model? The markings are superior in this model, compared to the renderings EM offer, and they feature the generic texture mapping mentioned in this review. The glowing thruster engine design is something that shocked me, I've never noticed this detail. It before. The Nog is a calming design.
looks like a TOS phaser, and the fan made Chariot class ship "remodeled 25%+ different"
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks the Eisenberg looks like a flying phaser
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What if the ship was built by or for a mostly aquatic race/crew? The shape leans that way and the big blue area on the top could be windows for a large inner ocean.
I unironically like the design of this ship. I concede that that nacelles should be conected, but I really like it.
I love that they paid tribute to Aron Eisenberg and Nog with a single ship design that is SO unique and different from "Starfleet" that it is instantly recognizable to those of us in the know.
Now I just need STO to bring it back so I can get my own. So mad I missed it, literally the only ship I'd ever pay real money for in that game.
Of all the 32nd century ships this one is my favorite. Lots of good and founded critiques in this video, but they don't bother me as much as others, because the overall form makes me happy. Also, its name certainly earns it points.
Also, when the hell are we going to get our technical manuals for the new age?
It won’t let me link it but look up Star Trek shipyards 2294 ( get the right date eventually)
@@korypedersen9768that would be really cool since then we could see how the navels work.
I like it from the front but that super long bit at the back jumpscared me lol
Every time I see the detached nacelles, I immediately imagine them flying off on their own...
This design is just bad in terms of conveying any feeling of serving a purpose. It just looks odd for its own sake
Maybe if that tail got stretched out even longer, it could be like a giant alien polo mallet 😆
Getting a better look at it like this it's actually a pretty cool ship, is it perfect? No. Is it still cool and interesting? Heck yeah bud!!!
pilots and a hint of an art deco influence would really bring this to life. Shorten the tail so it looks less like a stylized axe. Otherwise, I'd totally book a luxury cruise on this thing.
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You mention hood ornaments and now I want a 3D print of this as a hood ornament.
My favourite 32nd century design, I like its quirkiness and the big stingray spike works for me
It looks like someone left a Trek III phaser toy out in the sun and the design team ran with it.
I think "aerodynamics" do apply in space once you get to a certain speed. There are particles and stuff floating about you will collide into that will slow you down. deflector shields do negate the need for taking that into account but maybe if they have failed and you still need to go fast under impulse?
Maybe it *is* a repurposed cruise liner. That blue screen on top certainly looks like a window over a sun deck.
What if it was designed and built for the aquatic members of starfleet.
The top part with the largest engine looks like a very large escape pod.
I thought it looked like it evolved from roots in the Pasteur, where the important bow shapes and forms elongating, and the stern parts shrinking/atrophying like a vestigial organ. The nacelles scream non-original "mix-and-match" engine upgrades, consistent with what we seem to see from other Star Fleet ships of any century.
I would have said Oberth class.
18:34. No details on the bottom fin. There should be one little lone window at the very bottom of the fin for that Officer that hates people like in Voyager's "Good Shepard". I'd work there! LOL!!!!
This design could be a reversal of the standard Starfleet design that is more typically non-aquatic focused versus aquatic. The volume, the top open-water deck, and the unusual window placements would make sense if the space behind all of that were a gargantuan water tank.
It looks like the navigational array is on the nacelles now. Or then. Or whatever
when I think about this ship, I think Cloud 9 from BSG, or Stargate Atlantis, where this should could function as a floating city if needed. It would explain why there's no window in the front as it's extra shielding while the blue part is an encased city like how Yorktown looks in Star Trek Beyond. That way, people don't really need window views and instead can have building with views of other buildings like a city.
Its an Iconian ship kitbash.
What are windows doing near the engines?
It looks like it's designed for an Aquatic species.
9:09 The channel “Spacedock” just released a video about “super yachts” in Sci-fi!
7:26 the windows much be huge, since it’s 1212 Meters long .
Please do more of these ships so interesting
The side view looks like a flash Gordon gun.
The top deck is obviously advanced Cetacian navigations
4:33 id say its design comes from the Oberth class , though id add some thin Nacelle struts.
This design is rather....interesting. It's as nice nod to Aaron Eisenberg and his character Nog. It's weird that they didn't actually have it spelled correctly for the class name to match Aaron's last name properly.
I agree with Stuart this thing looks like a cruise liner from the front view lol.
It's cool that you two knew Aron. I bet he was an awesome guy. I was saddened when I heard he passed.
Ehm... they did have it spelled correctly. It's Trekyards who got it wrong in the name of the video.
Harry Kim finally got promoted
This ship looks like a flying hand phaser...
That looks like a transport....
It looks like a giant Hammer or Battleaxe.
looks like a science ship to me.
Could this be something Starfleet commandeered? It could be from a Federation species or an aliens.
18:05 it seems more thought went into it then the others.
Wonder how the interior looks like.
Disney might sue them for copying the ship from Wall-E xD
Aquatics deck maybe that blue dome area
Put some teeth in the front and it's looking rather like Giger's alien.
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It looks like a design for Starship Titanic
Activate the Staple Punch class ship...ha.
It's a barcode scanner.
Its my favourite future trek ship as the rest just kind of look bad imo. This feels more like the idea of alien design elements working their way into Starfleet design philosophy and its the only one that feels like people can actually work and live in it rather than looking like many separate thin sheets of metal. The federation for almost its entire existence was made up of many species, makes sense some ships would be more experimentally alien. Doesn't make sense that every ship would be human design and it feels very space whale and aquatic. Just wish it didn't have the long tail.
Whilst I highly doubt it, it would be funny if that top area really was like a giant pool where all the aquatic crew that joined the federation work.
I really don't like the separate parts of the ship not being connected to each other... it doesn't make sense
I didn't like that they are detached yet position locked with the main body...it's like what's the point.
It looks like a hand phaser. That said, I know you touched on the "Star Wars" vibe. Apart from the smooth "aquatic" shapes giving a "Mon Calamari" look, the biggest thing is the circular impulse engines which look like the regular circular Star Wars classical rocket engine designs. That's the thing that really stands out to me, but as there is no requirement for square or rectangular impulse engines, I can easily allow myself to ignore those features and say it's just another alien view on a classic Federation design.
Axion from Wall·e looks better…
The 32 Century ships are just too alien…and ugly…
Like the flying saucer starship from Forbidden Planet that started it all.
Why would humans fly flying saucers?
Does it have a protostar drive?
Shouldn't be "Heisenberg" OR is just coincidently named similar the famous physicist. Or the guy that played Nog: Aaron Eisenberg. /doh
Again, the detached nacelles are dumb….the amount of power going to warp coils is immense
I like the USS DISCOVERY but the 32 nd ones hmmm the 32nd constitution class now that’s ok an huge but some look to wild man an creepy
The problem with sidcovery Ships is there is no engineering theory behind the designs. You look at the TOS and Say "ok that can work".
The next-generation very much so! Let get back to using real engineering theory Star Trek!
You take this ship and that ring one and you can role play as a toilet. 😉
Eisenburg , I guess that’s a Nog to the actor .
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how starfleet is this, out of 10, 8/10. remember people starfleet goes where none has gone before, so having odd shaped ships feels very starfleet to me. besides at some point saucer shaped vessels would reach its limits of what you can do with them.
It is a giant phaser pistol in spaaaaaace !
Right?
Looks like they took an cut a part of a romulan war bird s D deridex classes main forward section of the head an attached , unattached nacelles
The 32nd century designs are some of my least favorite in the franchise. It is painfully obvious that everyone involved in Discovery wished they weren't making Star Trek, and that showed in practically everything, especially in ship design.
Disco Future ships are some of the dumbest looking ships I've ever seen in Sci-Fi. The disconnected bits are really dumb, as soon as you lose power your ship literally flies apart.
That’s your assumption. The programmable matter might be self powered.
@@keirfarnum6811 Everything being made out of programmable matter is just another incredibly stupid idea for that 32nd century stuff. It's just a device to make any dumb idea the writers get while having a poop technically possible, in universe...
Cool ship, except for the ugly stupid detached nacelles.
These "futuristic" motif are just ugly but more distressing is that it's NOT logical from an engineering perspective !? What are they using transporters to get from one section to another !? Because lord knows that transporters never get knocked off line. EVERY SINGLE EPISODE !!!
When they experience ANYTHING those unconnected parts are well NOT CONNECTED 😂 !? Even IF they NEVER have any of the issues EVERY other ships deal with ridiculously often and consistently..it's still ABSOLUTELY ABSURD to need transporters to go from one section to another. This is what
"Futuristic" to people with ABSOLUTELY ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE VERY BASIC IDEAS/LAWS/RULES of structural principles !?
What realistic "engineering" would be MORE streamline CONNECTED like the defiant shortening the pilons and neck getting rid of structural weak points as well as bottlenecks for personal as well as cables, electrical, liquids ie lubricating, water etc.
These Jupiter ascendant unconnected sections of the ships are nonsensical !!! I...I just don't know what else to say or if I was successful in my attempt to articulate my points. 🤨ILLOGICAL
😡 POINTLESS
😫 UNFEASIBLE ON SOOO MANY LEVELS !!!!!
STUPIDITY !!!!!🤯🤒😠 Craptastcal "designs giving me a stroke.....
This is basically just a phaser with two power cells floating beside it.
Well you're not wrong on that. 😂
As my buddies and I used to call it…the flying hand phaser
I believe the red lines around the 32c ships are the phasers.
If you get rid of the long bit, its a type 2 phaser
The Eisenberg class, famously named after actor Jesse Eisenberg; who was as accurate and enjoyable a Lex Luthor, as this ship is a Star Trek vessel.
It’s named after Aaron Eisenberg who played Nog
Grumbles about floaty bits.
yea thats not it.
What a monstrosity! All Discovery ships are monstrosities.
I always felt like this design was based on an original serious and tos movie era phaser.
From behind shot u showed it looks like a stretched hand held phaser lol
I see a starship deaign based clearly on the 23rd century phaser.
It looks like shit 😂
Looks like a Phaser.
They took the design from a phaser lol
There is one word to describe all of these Discovery designs: awful.
Where are your designs.. 😅
Let’s see you do better. We’ll wait.
Agreed. The detached nacelle thing is weird. To the “what about your designs crowd,” one doesn’t have to have a record deal to know that Yoko Ono sounds like shit.
I don’t like most, but every once in a while there’s a great one
32nd century constitution class doesn't look that bad.
I really appreciate you guys, but the both of you sound like you’re trying very hard to like this ship and it’s just not getting there for you but I’ll go ahead and say it for you I don’t like this ship at all. There’s so many things that could’ve been done to make it work even remotely, but they weren’t done.
A phaser-gun from TSO!
an arbitrary blob of undetailed hull - with random elements of anachronistic disco designs, breaking any design cohesion
Lazy design. It literally just looks like a giant hand phaser.
Man, people forget designs have to make functional sense. Disappointing.
Ugly
It's ugly