I'd have to agree on the Maul thing, I've yet to find George actually stating HIMSELF that this was his idea. All I ever seem to find is that it was Dave who said "George came to me and blah, blah" or it was from some other person who said this and that. You'd think that if it was George's idea, he would actually be on record as saying....well ANYTHING about Maul coming back. But we have literally no statements for one of the characters, that he created for his movies. Does no one find that strange? But even then, even if taking that into account it was his idea, he didn't write his return. That was all TCW crew, George doesn't have any writing credits, he was at best loosely involved with throwing out ideas for the show...that's it. But ideas aren't writing. They handled Maul in a piss poor way honestly, he was a 3rd wheel spinning in a timeframe that he didn't belong, which in turn detracted from the actual show in that being of the Clone Wars. It also side lined Savage Oppress, who was completely and utterly WASTED as a character when he was suppose to be the Maul of the Clone Wars....literally that's what he was being built as. Though anyway, TCW has been confirmed separate entirely from the EU, if anything now that it was brought over to Disney, it should be clarified AGAIN because it was never part of the EU since 08 before it even aired its 1st season.
Savage Oppress could have worked on his own, Anakin and Obi Wan are not the main focus of the overall Clone Wars Multimedia Project, which tends to focus on other characters. I’m guessing there’s some gaps where encounters with Savage Oppress could fit. Ahsoka being Anakin’s Padawan and being involved in everything, however, doesn’t work at all, especially since she survived the whole thing. Ahsoka could’ve worked if she was a contemporary to Anakin who accompanied him on some battles, due to her young age Anakin could’ve seen some lost innocence because she’s fighting the war, maybe he saw himself as a young Padawan in her and wanted to protect her, getting attached, only for her to die in a battle, maybe due to the negligence of the Jedi Order or something, and having Anakin devastated, bringing him closer to the Dark Side. Or maybe do make Ahsoka Anakin’s Padawan but by seeing Anakin is not ready for that yet, she’d be transferred to another Master
@@SolurVoludun Yeah the whole Ahsoka being Anakin's Padawan thing doesn't work because throughout the WHOLE SHOW....they never do anything with that dynamic. She at best comes across as a tag long, I never got this Master/Padawan dynamic between the two of them. You can remove that aspect of their relationship and nothing changes between them. As you rightly point out, there are other ways to go about her character. Though honestly I'm a bit indifferent to her. Still though, Savage was indeed such a wasted character in the show. The writing for TCW, just honestly failed on a lot of levels and looking back on it, it's just...bad..
It's insulting when people make this bullshit claim it's only the Butt hurt crybaby OT "George Lucas raped my childhood" losers fan boys that say this they say shit like this is how anakin should've been written this show was made to appeal to prequel haters
@jackypapier5122 it's easy to hate how a character is written, if you don't understand its purpose in a story just because of some "missed" dialogue that makes sense in the context, stupid cgi exaggerations and ofc the brain dead "politics boring, get to the spaceship battles" rants
It was George lucas's idea to bring maul back, he begged Dave Filoni to bring him back because how cool he was. He said "I don't care what you do just bring him back"
Thanks did the clarification I was looking for evidence but I could not find it. I will be doing a deep dive on George and his involvement with TCW soon.
Wow, it all made so much sense. Important events came together extremely well, characters are not treated like jokes (for example, general grievous is the threat he deserved to be and a really menacing jedi killer. Also understood why he had a strange introduction in ROTS, because his introduction had already happened in 2D and why he was always coughing, because windu with one blow, messed grievous's lungs up like crazy). One of my favorite moments was anakin's jedi knighting ceremony
Indeed. It looks like George’s stance on the EU is like a group school project. You’re the leader and your teammates add their own ideas to the table, you like and dislike some things your other teammates brought to the table, but you approve it because it works. George repooetedly didn’t like Mara Jade, but he approved her existence anyway and therefore she’s canon
Only 3 xD The microservices came first, it's cannon overrides TCW lol It's probably just people who saw this show as adults and had a creepy crush on Ashoka. I watched first 2 seasons as a kid, got the movie on dvd. Stopped liking it after, I hate how it changes stuff.
Savage Opress is how George wanted "Maul to return". Spider Maul is a Felony creation. George doesn't even have writing credit on the TCW show XD They gave him writing credits on the Mandalorian, but not TCW. Shows how "involved" he really was.
I will never understand why they had to ruin the Mandalorians. I don't even mind they are all human, but why are they more pacifist than the Republic XD Also the movies say Jango Fett is a Mandalorian, so nice try Felony. Your Jango rip off Bo Karan aynt cool.
giving anakin a padawan was and still is a dumb idea cause now we gotta care for a character who wasn’t mentioned at all in the previous 6 movies and on top of that dave filoni is obsessed with ahsoka for some weird reason she should’ve lost to vader in rebels honestly.
Dave wanted a character like Jubilee from X Men animated series to be a point of view for the younger audience despite the fact that Anikan is a teenager and not 20 something years old like he’s portrayed in TCW. 🤦 if they wanted Ahsoka to exist and as a friend to Anikan then don’t make her his apprentice and instead Plo Koon’s or Shaak Ti’s apprentice or something. There were many other Jedis to choose from.
@@mazkeraid4039 aura sencura. Also Obi wan didn’t need a stupid pacifist Mandalorian chick as a love interest as if they wanted somebody who could have feelings for him and him the same and be a forbidden love he could’ve had it with any other female Jedi and it would’ve brought drama as since they are Jedi they aren’t meant to have attachments just like Anikan and Padme’s situation but unlike them they aren’t married nor dating but still have love like chemistry. Dave didn’t need to ruin Mandalorian mythology to give that to us.
@@ParkerCS2 I’m sorry, but I think you mean Aayla Secura. And I got The Clone Wars concept art book that shows Satine Kryze wearing an armor, and that alone is a better idea than whatever the show had been doing.
Well finally somebody said it it was stupid for Darth maul to just suddenly come back from the dead. He does die in The phantom menace period and stupid for Anakin to even have an apprentice completely retconning the 03 Clone Wars series.
Also I know its not a TCW thing but a Filoni thing but beskar being so OP in the mandalorion is beyond stupid and even retcons every time a mandalorion shows up in the garbage TCW.
Let me start by first disagreeing with your first point: ofc palp did not feel maul in the force, as he was no significant threat, and lost much of his power after the event, he did not have the plot armor fate element. Which fate exists in star wars, anakin had a high "fate" stat as did palp. Their were likely other dark side acolytes in the galazy during the cw, maul was paid no mind by palp.
Maul returned was not the Maul that was. It was just an empty shell of Darth Maul who represented the predator-like traits of a true Sith simply through his silence. He was iconic in TPM. He was a bumbling fool in TCW smh... TCW broke all stakes of death in Star Wars.
That's the problem with both Dave Filoni and Disney. They contradict lores that already established just to make Star Wars in their version, like making female characters main focused, destroying old heroes, straying what was already set up in the original part of the movie or show. And mostly giving those who support them what they want than the actual fans. As long as Disney Star Wars continued being an incoherent mess, the Expanded Universe would always be praised.
I enjoy TCW on my own for a variety of reasons. But details like Anakin/Dooku and Obi-Wan/Grievous constantly fighting undermines the impact of these dynamics in Revenge of the Sith, ie: “My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.” “…we fought a week ago, Skywalker.” Hell I prefer Dark Horse Quinlan Vos’ arc over the Dark Disciple arc (I prefer Vos/Khaleen as a couple than Vos/Ventress…. And keeping Ventress alive in Bad Batch did kinda piss me off). As for the criticisms mentioned in the video, I’m going to have some civilized defenses here. Maul coming back… is a testament to Kenobi having a bit of a Peter Parker complex: never really finishing the job with your antagonist. Kenobi didn’t finish the job with Anakin in Episode III either, and in turn, these l mistakes come back to haunt him in the form of Maul coming to kick his ass and Vader defeating him on the Death Star (I deliberately refused to leave out the Kenobi series cuz that’s an even bigger middle finger to canon). Satine leading a pacifist regime of Mandalore versus the warrior Mandalorian terrorist group Death Watch… if you think about it is relevant now more than even if you analogize it with SJW/PC culture attempting to swing culture and rewrite history the way they want to just because they want it to be when in reality, REALITY doesn’t care about feelings. Same for the Mandalorians; when Maul leads the crime syndicates to invade Mandalore in this manufactured invasion, it was all the proof needed Pre Vizsla needed to sway the civilians to his side that Mandalore’s warrior past is the only way to go and survive. And similarly in real life look how the pendulum is slowly swinging back in the right direction against PC culture. As for Ahsoka Tano, I’ll agree as far as Twilight of the Apprentice being where Filoni should’ve had the balls to let his character that he created - his baby - die. I’m fine with Ahsoka as a character in TCW, but using time travel in Rebels to keep her alive is a major cop out. Thoughts?
Thank you for making me understand why the 2D animated clone wars is the only one that should exist, for it's continuity consistent movie and lore accurate
I only watched this, cuz it was on TV when I was a kid. I wish I was able to watch the Genndy Clone wars. I want to get into the EU. What do you recommend I start with?
I heard that George original sequel trilogy gonna resurrected darth maul as the main villain do you think if disney don't bought star wars then dave gonna used George ideas
Good on you are delaying your video because of James Earl Jones. I couldn’t stand people who made a 2 minute video saying RIP then went back to there regular videos.
Ahsoka was georges idea & was supposed to be introduced 2 1/2 years into the war originally but TCW ran too long and thats why the EU stuff was retconned, retconning wasnt planned from the beginning so thats completely on Filoni
Dave’s campfire excuse is as stupid as Endgame’s explanation of time travel. (Which is just a rip off of Doctor Who’s and Rick and Morty’s versions of time travel) Also Loki ruined multiverses by saying every universe is a timeline which couldn’t be further from the truth. Timelines and Universes are two different things. Dave’s campfire explanation of anything SW in turn is similar and ruins everything. I could come up with a better explanation of his campfire analogy than him and I’m not even a writer.
@@DarthPawz also Dave introduced time travel in sw and pretends it doesn’t exist. It was already stupid introducing it, but the fact that he just ignores it is even more ridiculous as he merely used it to bring back his blow up doll.
@@DarthPawz Ahh, I understand. It's rather sad to see James Earl Jones passing away. May he rest in peace. Also, not only that, but Ahsoka effectively replaced Padmé as one of the triad.
What I didn't like is that in The Bounty Hunters Code Book in the Tor Vizla's Journal, it says that the Republic bombed Mandalore making it into a desert but now Dave Filoni saying that it was the Mandalorians themselves that did it why would they when Mandalore was the one reason that unites Mandalorians and they respect their planet enough that when they were having a Civil War they weren't fighting on Mandalore but in the Mandalorian Sector and by having Mandalore bomb it destroy the longest historical caf shop in the galaxy the Oyu'baat Cantina
I agree Maul being brought back was stupid af (although he became a really cool character), but the other 2 points are just massive copes with a lack of vision on your part
To be fair Maul’s return was the least damaging thing in canon. In fact in old canon, there was a comic known as Old Scars, where Maul returned to hunt Kenobi. He used Luke as a hostage, and Obi Wan cut him down in an epic duel. But instead of killing him, Owen delivered the fatal blow. That was way more epic than his pathetic 5 second death in Rebels. Everything else in Shilloni’s canon is just awful. Rebels is okay. But the other shows he made are garbage. He was just a big crybaby who didn’t want to work under the confines of creative control and decisions. So he basically did away with the REAL CW series made 10 years ago to make way for his own canon that makes no sense at all. What a shit show. 😂
You do know that George Lucas was the one who wanted ahsoka to be an skin apprentice because Dave want ahsoka to be plo Kooning apprentice and George Lucas did change it so regardless if you agree with the recon or not it does not change the fact the George Lucas still see TCW as canon and he green lighted the series even if Dave did most of it and George Lucas as I said never showed and angry against Dave as far as I’m aware and while I do understand why EU fans did not like it and that is fine I’m not expecting to change anyone’s mind but I still see the TCW as canon to George Lucas since he has never straight up said oh it is not canon but I do see your point but remember George Lucas did green light the series and was mostly fine with the changes even if other fans did not and again he owned Star Wars really sell Star Wars to Disney letting miss KK tyrant and especially siding with Bob iger against Nelson peltz was the real worst mistake he made so I will still love Star Wars TCW and Still see as canon since George Lucas has no said that it is not canon plus again George Lucas still owns Star Wars back when it was made so everything made both good and bad is his responsibility
@@DarthPawz ok fair enough but no one knows what he was thinking plus as i said I never heard him say things like Dave your terrible manager you ruined Star Wars I mean if he say that now about Dave with him betraying me and fans of Star Wars I would agree with George Lucas and plus technically remember ahsoka was meant to die in order 66 or at some time before a new hope witch if George Lucas own Star Wars I would be fine with but no Dave had to betray us by basically getting are hopes up for using ahsoka and time travel to recon the sequel trilogy only to slap us in the face with his betrayal and character assassination on ahsoka as a bonus and for that I will never forgive Dave for that I really want to give him a piece of my mind believe me I want to also did George Lucas want mual to appear post return of the Jedi when Disney buy Star Wars granted it was just an idea but it was showing that George Lucas was at least ok with mual surviving past the clone wars but I find if BS that ahsoka dies before a new hope and mual does not also rip James earl jones I and everyone will miss him he was such a legend as darth Vader and I love he as one of the greatest villain in Star Wars
There's way more than 3 ways it broke canon. I never liked bringing Maul back because as a character even without the extended media he serves his purpose. Plus it's pointless considering they pretty much made a replacement character they could've used. EDIT: You forgot to mention the retcon where the Jedi found out Dooku was Tyranus which makes them look stupid for still trusting the clones when they find out he paid for them.
I am just going to say this clearly. No?. I am going to touch on the points very in a sec but first, the comics being retconned was more of a company and decision, while Dave has that power now he didn’t back then, so most of the dropping cannon stuff wasn’t his fault. Also you don’t touch on any story details, like what everybody likes about the show, you touch on it from a concept standpoint. All you are mad about is the idea of bringing maul back, the idea of some mandalorians being peaceful, the idea of Asoka. You say all of this without bringing up why people acutely like these decisions. You just wine like, “oh they didn’t follow the comics, and lore” when like, who cares. If so many people like this show then I can’t say they’ve made a bad decision with it. Also, those comics are like 20 years old and you sound like you’re 17 at most, get over it. Now on to the actual break down 1.Mauls brought back Ok you are right when you say maul was cool in the phantom menace, but he’s not a character. Give me any lore about maul taken from the phantom menace. “He’s a sithlord” you say. Ok tell me more. Give me any info about maul other than the fact he’s a sith. You can’t, because there is none. Maul is a good idea, but he’s not a character. He has no motives, no wants, no needs. He’s just fights the Jedi and dies. The Clone wars makes maul cool again by explaining how he survived, also you say he died and came back when no he survived. They explain how he used his anger, an established sith ability, to keep himself alive. How he build himself together and sought vengeance against obiwan to keep himself standing. Mind you, darth Vader did the exact same thing. They even loss the same amount of body parts. Maul both his legs and Vader four arms and legs from the knee down. The clone wars gives maul those motives, wants, needs that makes him a character. And that character is cool, is awesome, and feels like maul. They also take a long time to bring him back to the way he was, taking a whole arc to bring him back. It’s not just,”and now maul is alive” it’s him clawing his way out of heck and seeking vengeance on obiwan. 2. The madalorian peace You say that it would be ridiculous for mandalorians to be peaceful because that’s not the mandalorians I like. That’s like saying all Jedi don’t have wives when that wrong, quigon Jin had one, that’s in the lore. Certain people or societies can change, did you forget that their were people rebelling against the madalorian peace, did you forget that not all people of the same race are the same. I am not saying you’re a racist but thinking all people of a certain culture in media, you’re an idiot. It’s clear in the show that mandalorians once were this battle based society but realized that that wasn’t the best for development and became a political figure and after the war on madalor where so many people died, the mandalorians when back to the way they were, battle born people and set to go back to their traditional ways. And again you didn’t speak about any of these reasons, you just said, “mandalorians would never be political”, that’s not an argument because you don’t state anything in the story that would make that unreasonable, you just hate it because of the idea. 3. Asoka tano You don’t say anything about asokas character, you don’t say anything about her development, you don’t say anything about her. You just say, “anikan would never have a padowan”. Why the heck not, what’s so special about anikan that makes it so that he shouldn’t have an padowan. Again you don’t give any actual criticism about the actual thing rather than just saying, “but it doesn’t follow these 20 year old books that have been called non canon for years now but I still seem to be angry about that for some reason” you don’t explain things, you just say there trash because you hate the concept. Asoka is not only a good character in her own right, but is good for anakin as we see him grow beyond that apprentice level to be the teacher, we also get conflict from him starting to connect with Asoka like a parent and doesn’t want her to get killed in battle, simultaneously pushing him to the darth side a little as it goes. We get to see anakin grow as well as see his flaws. All the things you need from a good character. Thus Asoka stays. Conclusion Look, it seems like you respect starwars and like George Lucas, but shooting down everything not made by him is just choosing yourself off to a whole lot of genuinely good story’s. And you seem like an aspiring UA-camr, but shooting down one of the most popular and well regarded shows in the world will not get you very far. So if you want to go to bed with your George Lucas body pillow that’s fine. But don’t attack good media simply because you don’t like the idea of it. Watch the show and then base your opinions. Or else just be quiet.
The literature you're talking about was never Canon. It was signed off on by George but he only considered the films as Canon, then later the Clone Wars that Lucas Film produced. You say "cope" I do. Let's see what else passes you off? XOXO
Ah, a video from you I disagree with! :) Some good points brought up but the George stuff gets very murky the more you look into it. Can’t wait for your next vid mate.
I am not that knowledgeable on George’s decisions besides him wanting Ahsoka to die. Was he the one he brought Maul back? Did he make the inhibitior chips? I research to find answers but find nothing.
@@DarthPawz Filoni said that the decision to bring Maul back came from George however Filoni lies through his teeth often so he can't be immediately believed. However by analysing creative decisions as well as how Filoni typically does things it is most likely that the decision was George's (I believe the decision to bring Maul back made Filoni worse as he now had an excuse for doing similar things) . The mandalore and by extension the Mandalorian culture change was most definitely George, while no definitive proof of this exists, it fits all the hallmarks of a George Lucas decision.
I could definitely see the Mandalorian thing being George but the Maul thing is very suspicious to me. The excuse I hear is “George was bringing back maul for the sequels” well when he made that Maul idea it was a quick 5 minute thought during that interview.
@@DarthPawzThis my problem with TCW, I want to consider it canon because I've come to the conclusion that many of the changes (The larger ones anyway) were most likely George but I don't want to disrupt the EU continuity (Which for the most part is better). Maybe on a livestream one day me you and StarWarsMarvelPurist can discuss how to deal with this issue haha.
In the EU, Deathwatch were not real Mandalorians. “Jango Fett: Open Seasons” covered this. Even in Starwars Galaxies when you ask Boba Fett’s npc in Jabba’s palace about Deathwatch, Boba doesn’t consider Deathwatch to be Mandalorian. Filoni, as always ignores canon and makes up random crap on a whim
Anakin didn’t get his vital organs cut off, Anakin didn’t fall down a bottomless pit, Anakin wasn’t a mere assassin Palpatine didn’t have much use for, Anakin was sensed by Palpatine and was rescued because he was important for his plans whereas Darth Maul was diposible
I was expecting a video of genuine lore-breaking incidents in TCW, but all that you presented were conceptual ideas that don’t follow the rules of non-canon material from years ago. The expanded universe was never on the level of canon as the movies or television series anyway. If you had made this video to share how TCW diverged from the expanded universe it could have been worth the time, but as it is this video is clickbait.
I love how you expose Failoni's bullshit. His worst offense IMO was that whole Gods of Mortis crap. Maybe you could make a whole video on that topic one of these days. ;)
Just like everything in this garbage tier video, Mortis comes directly from Lucas. The discussion in which he explains the concept to Filoni is included in the Blu-Ray collection of the prequels. He also talked about Mortis in an interview for Paul Duncan's Star Wars Archives 1999-2005. So yeah. It's not Filoni's crap. It's undisputeable Lucas canon.
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Facepalm. Son, the only thing you continue to prove with these things, is that you did absolutely no research. 1: Maul's return: 1.1: Whether you like it or not, Maul's return was done on the order of George Lucas. You can't get more canon than that, because as the creator of Star Wars, Lucas is the one who dictates canon. As for the comics and novels: No, no and no, on all of your claims. Lucas didn't read the comics, and novels, he didn't care about that stuff, he said so himself, all you have to do is search here on UA-cam. He did not go through the scripts, he had a middle manager, who presented him a checkbox of what they planned, and that's it. And finally he always maintained that the EU is an elseworld, that doesn't affect his stories. You want to know what is the only Star Wars project other than the six movies, where he not only did go through the scripts, the designs and even the rough cuts, but even provided the story outlines personally? It's The Clone Wars. There I explained it. 1.2: Given the existence of characters like Grievous and Darth Vader, Maul's survival is not that far fetched. And an EUtard especially has no right to complain about how "ridiculous" it is, given that the EU had trash like Darth Sion, who was a decomposing corpse, and Exar Kun who became a Force Ghost, because the EU writers were too dense to understand the OT's pretty clear indication that only Jedi can return as Force Ghosts etc. And you also have no right to criticise Rise of MaRey Sue for bringing back Palpatine, because the EU did that too, and it was just as stupid there, as it was in the film. 1.3: Palpatine's fanboys tend to overstate his greatness to a ridiculous degree, and you are no exception. He's a good villain, with great skills at manipulation, but he's far from being omniscient. Might I remind you, that Palpatine couldn't sense Luke arriving to Endor, despite being there himself? Might I remind you, that he failed to find someone as powerful in the Force as Anakin Skywalker? Might I remind you that he failed to sense Vader turning against him? Might I remind you, that the entire plot of TPM is Palpatine scrambling to salvage his plan, which went belly-up at the first hurdle, because he couldn't sense the Jedi intervening with the Trade Federation blockade (and yes, that was a failure on his part, he himself stated it was an unexpected complication)? 1.5: While I agree Maul's return cheapens TPM's climax, no it doesn't contradict anything in the film. 2: 2.1: Once again, the pacifist Mandalore regime came directly from Lucas. Because again, Lucas didn't care about the EU, he didn't work on the EU, but he did work on TCW. So yeah, pacifist Mandalore is canon. Deal with it. 2.2: The Mandalorians of the EU were trash. There is no such thing as a "warrior culture", because war is anti-thetical with culture. War is the failure of politics and economics, and politics and economics are downstream from culture, so war is two stages removed from culture. Therefore the idea of a warrior culture surviving for millenia is laughable. 2.3: Those novels and comics themselves were laughably bad and they did in fact contradict the movies. Take Jango's ridiculous backstory for instance. According to the comics he was the leader of a Mandalorain faction, that the Jedi were tricked into exterminating, roughly around the same time The Phantom Menace took place, maybe a few years earlier. Let's go over on how many points this trash contradict Lucas's vision shall we? 2.3.1: While the Jedi of the prequel trilogy have certainly lost their way, due to being wrapped in political red tape, Lucas was very clear that the Jedi are the most morally and ethically sound people in the entire Galaxy, who always strive to do the right thing. The ease with which they were tricked into commiting the G-word (I hate YT censorship), is a direct contradiction of Lucas's claim about the Jedi. It makes the Jedi look both morally rotten to core and utterly stupid, who got what they deserved in Order 66, instead of being manipulated into a no-win situation by a great schemer. 2.3.2: AOTC makes it abundantly clear that the Jedi don't know anything about Jango Fett. Eventhough he was the leader of a Mandalorian faction, they fought a war against a mere decade earlier. That's akin to saying that the current top brass of the US military knows nothing about who Saddam was. 2.4: Karen Traviss is a hack. She's widely despised in the fandoms of every franchise she ever worked on, and even her colleagues consider her unprofessional and hard to work with. As for her Republic Commando novels, while they're far not the worst of the EU's offerings, they are among the most disrespectful towards the movies and Lucas himself, with the constant Jedi bashing and Mandalore shilling BS. Seriously she's on record saying that the Jedi deserved Order 66 for the way they treated the clones...in the novels she wrote! That's how far up her own donkey (have I mentioned how much I hate YT censorship?) she is. 3: Ahsoka...Oh boy, have I got a cold shower for you: 3:1: Filoni didn't originally create Ahsoka to be Anakin's apprentice. In fact he didn't want to go anywhere near the trio of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padmé, precisely because he didn't want to upset entitled EUtards like you. His original pitch for The Clone Wars was to follow the crew of a small ship as they travel across the war torn Galaxy, with only occasional guest appearences from movie characters. The crew would have consisted off of a smuggler, his girlfriend who also would've been the ship's acepilot, their Gungan hired help, and a Twi'lek Jedi, with his female Togruta apprentice, then called Ashla. That's right. Filoni wanted to do on TCW what he ended up doing on Rebels. You know who rejected this idea? It was George Lucas, because Lucas wanted to do a show with his characters. And it was also Lucas who liked Filoni's designs of Ashla and made her Anakin's apprentice. Filoni even protested that Anakin doesn't have an apprentice, to which Lucas replied, "He does now." Because again, what Lucas says, is canon. Everythingelse is fanfiction. 3.2: Anakin having a Padawan doesn't contradict anything in the movies. And again, before TCW, only the movies were ever canon, because Lucas wasn't involved with any of the EU. He allowed people to play in his sandbox, but he always made it clear, that the only stories that mattered to him, were his own. 3.3 Once again, the EU's portrayal of Anakin was trash. He was a constantly angry edgelord, because those hacks failed to realise that his slaughter of the Tuskens in AOTC was supposed to be a breaking point for Anakin, not his base personality. His base personality is a passionate and compassionate person, who had far more personality than the EU ever bothered to acknowledge.
Not sure why this video got recommended to me. This kid sounds like he was born around when TCW first aired. Not even being alive when any of the EU was written. This is dictionary definition of “the people who hate Star Wars the most are Star Wars fans”
@@michaellyne7496 Not only that, he's ridiculously misinformed even about the EU. He made another video, whining about how TCW destoryed the previously well-maintained continuity of the EU, with it's constant retcons...as if the EU didn't constantly retcon itself. When I pointed this out, he told me to pull the proof, so I went through a couple examples from the top of my head (Tartakovsky's miniseries, Luceno's Labirynth of Evil, and Shatterpoint). He hasn't responded yet...
Also Dave doesn’t understand that being a Mandalorian Warrior doesn’t make them bad. They treat the old ways in TCW as being evil but in reality there are both good and bad Warrior Mandalorians. It’s basically a traditional cultural creed they all do. Also not all Mandalorians are humans in the EU, yet in TCW they treat them as Xenophobic a holes that are exclusively blonde haired people like a certain real life group of people I can’t quite remember the name of. 🤔
why is it that a lot of filonis OC's are basically just his waifus. Bo Katan, Ahsoka (at least now), Sabine. I liked certain parts of his shows but overall he's just mediocre as hell. Mandalorian S1 was good, Mando s2 was good but had some issues, S3.. well.. sucked. Clone Wars overall is decent BUT it contradicts key parts of the EU. Rebels I liked some of it, I really liked Kanan but other than thats its alright. it would've been fine if George and Filoni just said "We want to make another timeline that is from our own creation and not taking other people's stories." but instead they shoved it all into one big universe and yes, we know the EU is also filled with tons of retcons but that just makes it worse to add a million more retcons on it.
@@SolurVoludun If you say so. So I guess the series is still running. But dude for real I know it's sad but Lucas canon has long ended like 12 years ago. I think it's time to move on.
Clone inhibitor chips are stupid as well. Originally Order 66 was just one of the 150 contingency orders that all clones memorized during their training + they were programmed to demonstrate unfailing loyalty to Chancellor Palpatine and the republic. And Order 66 says the jedi have betrayed the republic. And in AOTC they explain "They are totally obedient, taking any order without question, we modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host" And that's why clones obeyed order 66. And why doesn't the inhibitor chip make clones obey EVERY order? Why only Order 66?
It’s more sympathetic than stupid chips as their dna prevents them from being independent beings and cannot disobey any orders. It’s not just something in their brains. They from birth are loyal soldiers who cannot be reasoned with once order 66 is initiated. They are like the Orcs from Lord of the Rings. Fodder for the dark lord to use at will. They didn’t need inhibitor chips.
@@DarthPawz JJ plagiarisms made a good point in his video which I just had in my comment here above this one. The clones were sympathetic because they are genetically loyal that they can’t refuse any orders. Them having inhibitor chips is stupid. The clones were specifically bred for combat. That’s the whole point why the Jedis were against using them at first because it’s technically slavery.
@ParkerCS2 JJ Plagiarism makes Star Wars fans like us praise him for his channel. He works so hard for researching a lot of Star Wars lore to explain the things Disney, filoni, and the director who worked on the Disney trilogy got wrong and plagiarized what was already set up. Showing the brand by those who have no love, passion, and creativity for Star Wars, only milking the brand with political agendas.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 and also he isn’t overly negative like a lot of shills may lead you to believe if you weren’t intelligent and gives some positives like how fleshing out the clones was something of a nice thing to do. However, he also made a huge point that instead of the stupid BAD BATCH they should’ve made a Domino Squad series. They made more sense as they unlike other clones were specifically more independent to do harder tasks and could have conflicting ideologies than of the empire. But no instead Dave kills off one of their members as a mindless lackey which they shouldn’t be unlike regular clones. 🤦
bro sounds like he wasnt even alive when it came out, darth sion held his body together through his own will and hatred, Maul isnt the first instance lmfao
@@TheforeverPigeonKing at least Anakin was findable, and he was important for Palpatine’s plans so that’s why the latter even bothered to go pick him up. Darth Maul was merely an expendable assassin who may or may not stick around in the large scheme of things. And if you fall down a bottomless pit while cut in half, in a reactor shaft and the only one who might know what you’re doing doesn’t give a flying shit about you, you’re fucked even if you survive the fall and the fact that you’re in a reactor shaft. Nobody will know you’re there and nobody will even want to go pick you up; not only that, you got cut in half and you can’t even move around. You’re fucked
@@SolurVoludun why does he need to? his skin literally flakes, rots, and falls off but he continues to live💀 ur clearly projecting something here cuz its not that deep, sith keep themselves alive when anger claims their life before death. This is the Star Wars universe, not ours, big shot
Bro you are just a whiny kid,understand all the things this show has,you put a photo of boba when he is not a mandalorian,but you still put him,also there were way more than 30 mandalorians in season 7,also not every one was in favor of satine,admit you are a rebels fan boy or 2003 clone wars lover,who doesn’t tolerate the new clone wars are better and you say its canon breaking because of legends,genius
@@B1_1_9_7_5 She messes up the timeline, Anakin was originally only knighted at the end of the Clone Wars and Filoni changed that so he could include his oc, that and her poorly explained absence from episode 3 and completely unexplained absence from the OT
@@B1_1_9_7_5 A year before episode 3 if I remember correctly. Filoni knighted Anakin six months after episode 2 which goes completely against Anakin thinking the Jedi are holding him back and makes his turn to the dark side make no sense, being knighted at 19 is above average so in the Disney timeline Anakin was knighted early but still whined about being held back
@@larsramaekers2116 Everything you just said... was wrong. Star Wars has been consistent with its lore for decades, before the Dark Times, before TCW. But thanks for outing yourself!
''Look im different'' ahh video. Lil bro is acting as if retcon has never been done before. The moment you said ''fake fan'' shows how you are just another wannabe grifter.
@@leopard2a436 When it comes to a franchise like Star Wars, retcons are not forgivable when they go against the hard work of passionate fans and the creator. Cry some more, snowflake.
Ok here we go, the way your talking in that weird voice mocking people is just odd, and you saying the entirety of the phantom menece is retvoned because maul lived makes littlerally no sence 😂 its just one small part rrtcomed and that was mauls death, and its ok to perfer the og version of the mandolorians but you moking people just because they like something you dont is weird, and you saging anakin having an apprentice makes no sence us odd, just because she wasnt ever mentioned dosebt retcon the entirety of ep3 bud, it doesn't even retcon anything, it just adding to ghe story, I seriously think you dont understand wjat retcon even means 😂 just because one small part was changed doesn't mean everything was changed. And lucas was apart of the shoe, none of us can say for sure Lucas thought that or made that happened because we dont know if he did or not.
"Dave Filoni is not a true fan" Dude who are you to say who isn't a fan Dave Filoni actually worked with George Lucas. Also Ahsoka is a good character she's way better than Rey or Padme.
You should check out the Expanded Universe because there are many female characters who are a lot better than Ahsoka and other female characters in Disney Canon.
I swear this video must have been written like 15 years ago because it was dog shit takes like this are the ones people had about clone wars when it was coming out Oh yeah George Lucas was doing most of the decisions you don't like because even if George signed off on it doesn't mean George liked the EU because he didn't
Tf? George was literally involved in retconning a tonne of Star Wars media. Clone wars was created to be canonical and is way more prominent than any of those comics. What you’re saying us absurd, if George really wanted those stuff to be canon then he wouldn’t have let CW change it, he was literally the executive producer of the show you absolute spanner. God legends fanboys are the most insufferable in the fandom, George was going to retcon the entire post episode 6 timeline if he made his sequel movies
@@BrandontheAwesome George was literally executive producer of the show🤦 he clearly intended this stuff to be canon and even later in the show when he had less involvement he’d tell Filoni to change stuff when it went against his views
@@omarbaba9892 George was very hands-off the production of TCW. Filoni was the one running things. George never intended for this to be canon. Also, funny you provide no actual evidence to back your claims. Oh wait! That's because it's already been debunked!
Who whole point was to retcon those books and comics🤦 the entire show doesn’t work with those stories because it wasn’t meant to, it was meant to work with the movies and it does
It doesn't work with the movies at all. There's a bunch of contradictions created by that overrated Kids show. The EU was way better sorry you don't have the attention span to read books 🤷
@@nicolasacosta1673 I’ve watched a tonne of lore videos and timelines about the books, a lot of them are very good. How does CW break the lore though when it just really doesn’t
@omarbaba9892 Maul coming back, clones having personalities, and Ahsoka's mere existing are just a few things that TCW does that breaks canon. All these either contradicts the movies or make no sense. No way in hell did Maul survive getting cut in half and falling down a pit. The clones aren't supposed to have personalities, this is alluded to by Lama Su in AOTC. And lastly Ashoka just existing makes no sense. First there's no way in hell that the council would give Anakin an apprentice given his reputation with them. And also Ashoka is never mentioned again in ROTS which makes no sense if you're pretending that TCW is canon and is supposed to lead into ROTS.
@ the 2008 CW show was meant to work with the movies and it does. Fits better than the 2003 one does and it was George who was the executive producer of the show so he made it to fit in with the movies
umm you guys do realized that Filoni rarely used an original idea right? most of the episodes were actually ideas that Lucas developed and he just grounded them, case in point the drastical change in character of General Grievous, in tartakovsky's depiction of the character was that of an unstoppable force, able to engage and kill multiple jedi even masters, BUT the version we have in the movie, he's cowardly and lost to a single jedi master, now before filoni's version the fandom assumed it was because windu wounded him in the tartakovsky's show, well the reality was that when the 2-D show was made, Lucas didn't have a clear idea how grievous would be, heck he choose his final design very late in production of the movie, with the magna guard actually being close to be the final design, Lucas ultimately choose the one we know and love but liked the magna guard he kept them in the movie as grievous bodyguards, Tartakovsky himself said Lucasfilm didn't give him any character direction, they just gave him the design said this is a villain that kills jedi, so he went the "badass" route, a route that actually didn't sit well with Lucas as he thought making a super powerful villain would steal the spotlight from the sith, so he went with the cowardly route and a trend Filoni followed. you complain about Filoni butchering canon? dude he learn from the best, George Lucas, I know some fans like to think of Lucas as an all knowing fountain of wisdom of the SW canon but the reality is, even well after he finished the OG trilogy, he hardly knew what he was doing half the time, for starters Vader was not meant to be Luke's father, he decided that mid production of "empire" Leia was not Luke's sister and was actually meant to be luke's love interest, Han was supposed to die in "empire" and the whole "there is another" dialogue from yoda was supposed to allude to a twin sister who was supposed to be the focus of a new trilogy, all these ideas were scrapped or changed during the production of the last film, and finally all the stories you love so much in the "legends" or "EU" universe? yeah Lucas didn't care for them, in fact he hated a lot of aspect of them like Mara Jade. in conclusion, dude if you don't like some star wars content, great, more power to you, but please stop hiding behind stuff like "this character wouldn't do that" or "Lucas wouldn't want this" Georgie approved most if not all of filoni's show.
@@BrandontheAwesome where? you talking about yourself? seasoned fans know that TCW was co-produced by Lucas, he gave the idea for the inhibitor chips, Rex, and Ahsoka, Filoni simply grounded them.
@@omarreyes7626 Real seasoned fans would know that Lucas had very little to no involvement in the actual making of TCW. Sorry, dude. The truth hurts, don't it?
@@BrandontheAwesome it really does doesn't it? to realize that Lucas was a massive creative force behind this series and be in such denial, to not know he was the one that came up with the inhibitor chips, the one that suggested anakin to be given an apprentice for this show and the one that dissmised the idea of using legends arc trooper Alpha 17 as the main clone character because the anakin team had to many A's (anakin, ahsoka and Artoo) so Rex was created, and yes, Lucas is so flickle with his ideas he would often change them for small reason like this. imagine being on such denial of such basic stuff, you believe anyone that spews poison on a show, that you create your own small world were the creator of the franchise is on your side, when in reality he help create the show you hate, such a sad existence, to belittle people for liking something about a franchise and call them "fake fans", just that alone puts your ignorance at full display, once you grow up buddy you'll realize there's no such thing as a "fake fan".
@@DarthPawz we lost the Battle of Jabiim and instead we got the Martez Sisters. Delta Squad > Bad Batch Alpha 17 > Captain Rex Durge > Cad Bane CWMMP Ventress > TCW Ventress. I remember when CW2003 aired on TV, my mom recorded the fight with Anakin and Ventress on a videocassette and I’d watch that fight over and over.
RIP James Earl Jones
@@DarthPawz RIP, cinema icon
@@Philthorn At least he lived a very long life
R.I.P. the GOAT
RIP
🥺🫡 RIP Legend. James Earl Jones forever the true voice of Vader and Mufasa
I'd have to agree on the Maul thing, I've yet to find George actually stating HIMSELF that this was his idea. All I ever seem to find is that it was Dave who said "George came to me and blah, blah" or it was from some other person who said this and that.
You'd think that if it was George's idea, he would actually be on record as saying....well ANYTHING about Maul coming back. But we have literally no statements for one of the characters, that he created for his movies. Does no one find that strange?
But even then, even if taking that into account it was his idea, he didn't write his return. That was all TCW crew, George doesn't have any writing credits, he was at best loosely involved with throwing out ideas for the show...that's it. But ideas aren't writing.
They handled Maul in a piss poor way honestly, he was a 3rd wheel spinning in a timeframe that he didn't belong, which in turn detracted from the actual show in that being of the Clone Wars. It also side lined Savage Oppress, who was completely and utterly WASTED as a character when he was suppose to be the Maul of the Clone Wars....literally that's what he was being built as.
Though anyway, TCW has been confirmed separate entirely from the EU, if anything now that it was brought over to Disney, it should be clarified AGAIN because it was never part of the EU since 08 before it even aired its 1st season.
Savage Oppress could have worked on his own, Anakin and Obi Wan are not the main focus of the overall Clone Wars Multimedia Project, which tends to focus on other characters. I’m guessing there’s some gaps where encounters with Savage Oppress could fit.
Ahsoka being Anakin’s Padawan and being involved in everything, however, doesn’t work at all, especially since she survived the whole thing.
Ahsoka could’ve worked if she was a contemporary to Anakin who accompanied him on some battles, due to her young age Anakin could’ve seen some lost innocence because she’s fighting the war, maybe he saw himself as a young Padawan in her and wanted to protect her, getting attached, only for her to die in a battle, maybe due to the negligence of the Jedi Order or something, and having Anakin devastated, bringing him closer to the Dark Side.
Or maybe do make Ahsoka Anakin’s Padawan but by seeing Anakin is not ready for that yet, she’d be transferred to another Master
@@SolurVoludun Yeah the whole Ahsoka being Anakin's Padawan thing doesn't work because throughout the WHOLE SHOW....they never do anything with that dynamic. She at best comes across as a tag long, I never got this Master/Padawan dynamic between the two of them.
You can remove that aspect of their relationship and nothing changes between them. As you rightly point out, there are other ways to go about her character. Though honestly I'm a bit indifferent to her.
Still though, Savage was indeed such a wasted character in the show. The writing for TCW, just honestly failed on a lot of levels and looking back on it, it's just...bad..
I still can't believe that there are people saying dave filoni made the prequels better with his interpretation of TCW
It's insulting when people make this bullshit claim it's only the Butt hurt crybaby OT "George Lucas raped my childhood" losers fan boys that say this they say shit like this is how anakin should've been written this show was made to appeal to prequel haters
@jackypapier5122 it's easy to hate how a character is written, if you don't understand its purpose in a story just because of some "missed" dialogue that makes sense in the context, stupid cgi exaggerations and ofc the brain dead "politics boring, get to the spaceship battles" rants
3:18 The seige of mandalore says otherwise. There were way more than 30 mandolarian soldiers
Facts
Yeah
It was George lucas's idea to bring maul back, he begged Dave Filoni to bring him back because how cool he was. He said "I don't care what you do just bring him back"
Thanks did the clarification I was looking for evidence but I could not find it. I will be doing a deep dive on George and his involvement with TCW soon.
@@DarthPawz Yes please that would be interesting
Wow, it all made so much sense. Important events came together extremely well, characters are not treated like jokes (for example, general grievous is the threat he deserved to be and a really menacing jedi killer. Also understood why he had a strange introduction in ROTS, because his introduction had already happened in 2D and why he was always coughing, because windu with one blow, messed grievous's lungs up like crazy). One of my favorite moments was anakin's jedi knighting ceremony
To add George Lucas never mentioned the word canon he just says there's "His" Universe and then there's "Ours"
Indeed. It looks like George’s stance on the EU is like a group school project.
You’re the leader and your teammates add their own ideas to the table, you like and dislike some things your other teammates brought to the table, but you approve it because it works.
George repooetedly didn’t like Mara Jade, but he approved her existence anyway and therefore she’s canon
Only 3 xD
The microservices came first, it's cannon overrides TCW lol
It's probably just people who saw this show as adults and had a creepy crush on Ashoka.
I watched first 2 seasons as a kid, got the movie on dvd. Stopped liking it after, I hate how it changes stuff.
Savage Opress is how George wanted "Maul to return".
Spider Maul is a Felony creation.
George doesn't even have writing credit on the TCW show XD
They gave him writing credits on the Mandalorian, but not TCW. Shows how "involved" he really was.
I will never understand why they had to ruin the Mandalorians. I don't even mind they are all human, but why are they more pacifist than the Republic XD
Also the movies say Jango Fett is a Mandalorian, so nice try Felony. Your Jango rip off Bo Karan aynt cool.
The Felony "Mandalorians" all have Jango Fett armor. Lol
it also ties into ROTS and Eu books, so it is 100% canon
giving anakin a padawan was and still is a dumb idea cause now we gotta care for a character who wasn’t mentioned at all in the previous 6 movies and on top of that dave filoni is obsessed with ahsoka for some weird reason she should’ve lost to vader in rebels honestly.
It also doesn't make any sense considering how the jedi were distrustful of Anakin. No way in hell they would ever give him an apprentice.
Dave wanted a character like Jubilee from X Men animated series to be a point of view for the younger audience despite the fact that Anikan is a teenager and not 20 something years old like he’s portrayed in TCW. 🤦 if they wanted Ahsoka to exist and as a friend to Anikan then don’t make her his apprentice and instead Plo Koon’s or Shaak Ti’s apprentice or something. There were many other Jedis to choose from.
If Ahsoka was anything like Jubilee she would have been a way better character.
@@DarthPawz exactly and not a Mary sue.
Or, she could be an apprentice of that Twi’lek Jedi Master which somewhere along the way, there is a potential for it.
@@mazkeraid4039 aura sencura. Also Obi wan didn’t need a stupid pacifist Mandalorian chick as a love interest as if they wanted somebody who could have feelings for him and him the same and be a forbidden love he could’ve had it with any other female Jedi and it would’ve brought drama as since they are Jedi they aren’t meant to have attachments just like Anikan and Padme’s situation but unlike them they aren’t married nor dating but still have love like chemistry. Dave didn’t need to ruin Mandalorian mythology to give that to us.
@@ParkerCS2 I’m sorry, but I think you mean Aayla Secura. And I got The Clone Wars concept art book that shows Satine Kryze wearing an armor, and that alone is a better idea than whatever the show had been doing.
Well finally somebody said it it was stupid for Darth maul to just suddenly come back from the dead. He does die in The phantom menace period and stupid for Anakin to even have an apprentice completely retconning the 03 Clone Wars series.
"Somehow darth maul returned"
Stepping on familiar grounds, aren't we
100% but the filoni faithful make excuses
"my rage kept my soul intact even though my mind and body was not"- maul. He gave a lot more info than sidious in ep 9
No we are not
Lucas was going to have maul in 7,8,9 if he made it
Also I know its not a TCW thing but a Filoni thing but beskar being so OP in the mandalorion is beyond stupid and even retcons every time a mandalorion shows up in the garbage TCW.
Let me start by first disagreeing with your first point:
ofc palp did not feel maul in the force, as he was no significant threat, and lost much of his power after the event, he did not have the plot armor fate element. Which fate exists in star wars, anakin had a high "fate" stat as did palp. Their were likely other dark side acolytes in the galazy during the cw, maul was paid no mind by palp.
You on a whole lotta copium you dave feloni shill
The Mandalorain stuff I didn’t really know about thanks for bringing light to that I might check out some of the EU clone wars stuff now.
Glad you are going to explore the EU more its great!
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Jango Fett Open Season is pretty good. You get his backstory and see the mandalorion tribes and their culture.
Dave Filoni unchecked is an absolute menace to the lore
It was always a thing with me how could Anakin have an apprentice he was never a master.
Pre-Clone Wars Maul was overrated as fuck, especially to those who only watched the movies.
Was Maul overrated in The Legends Stories?
@@trevturp6891 It was the Clone Wars that gave his character depth.
Maul coming back was worse then killing luke off in TLJ
It is up there for sure
Maul returned was not the Maul that was. It was just an empty shell of Darth Maul who represented the predator-like traits of a true Sith simply through his silence. He was iconic in TPM. He was a bumbling fool in TCW smh...
TCW broke all stakes of death in Star Wars.
@@takuidbumbling fool who took over an entire planet
Good joke ;)
That's the problem with both Dave Filoni and Disney. They contradict lores that already established just to make Star Wars in their version, like making female characters main focused, destroying old heroes, straying what was already set up in the original part of the movie or show. And mostly giving those who support them what they want than the actual fans. As long as Disney Star Wars continued being an incoherent mess, the Expanded Universe would always be praised.
And then the fucking shills say “tHe EU wAs NeVeR CuhnUn”
0:22
As someone who doesn't accept disney as canon, canon is the least important thing for me. Legends is what matters to me😂
Feloni, Kathleen Kennedy both need to go
TCW 2008 is an elseworlds story in both Expanded Universe and Disney Universe.
I do not think its canon because it retcons the movies
@@DarthPawz exactly
@@ParkerCS2 But filoni faithful keep coping and they do not see that
@@DarthPawz yeah because they threw their brain organs into the trash can like Squidward on that SpongeBob episode.
"Canon can be whatever you want it to b, and that's the wonderful thing"
Some shill
I enjoy TCW on my own for a variety of reasons. But details like Anakin/Dooku and Obi-Wan/Grievous constantly fighting undermines the impact of these dynamics in Revenge of the Sith, ie: “My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.” “…we fought a week ago, Skywalker.” Hell I prefer Dark Horse Quinlan Vos’ arc over the Dark Disciple arc (I prefer Vos/Khaleen as a couple than Vos/Ventress…. And keeping Ventress alive in Bad Batch did kinda piss me off).
As for the criticisms mentioned in the video, I’m going to have some civilized defenses here. Maul coming back… is a testament to Kenobi having a bit of a Peter Parker complex: never really finishing the job with your antagonist. Kenobi didn’t finish the job with Anakin in Episode III either, and in turn, these l mistakes come back to haunt him in the form of Maul coming to kick his ass and Vader defeating him on the Death Star (I deliberately refused to leave out the Kenobi series cuz that’s an even bigger middle finger to canon).
Satine leading a pacifist regime of Mandalore versus the warrior Mandalorian terrorist group Death Watch… if you think about it is relevant now more than even if you analogize it with SJW/PC culture attempting to swing culture and rewrite history the way they want to just because they want it to be when in reality, REALITY doesn’t care about feelings. Same for the Mandalorians; when Maul leads the crime syndicates to invade Mandalore in this manufactured invasion, it was all the proof needed Pre Vizsla needed to sway the civilians to his side that Mandalore’s warrior past is the only way to go and survive. And similarly in real life look how the pendulum is slowly swinging back in the right direction against PC culture.
As for Ahsoka Tano, I’ll agree as far as Twilight of the Apprentice being where Filoni should’ve had the balls to let his character that he created - his baby - die. I’m fine with Ahsoka as a character in TCW, but using time travel in Rebels to keep her alive is a major cop out.
Thoughts?
Vader should have killed her in rebels you that would been a good send off her being alive in the OT era makes no sense
She's just feloni's waifu he's weird
Thank you for making me understand why the 2D animated clone wars is the only one that should exist, for it's continuity consistent movie and lore accurate
No problem! I would recommend if you have the time to watch AOTC, 2D Clone Wars then ROTS if you want to see it for yourself.
@@DarthPawzhave seen the movies, but I'll find the time to watch them again. Only this time with the the 2D clone wars in between
@@Philthorn 🔥🔥🔥
@@DarthPawzdam right. See ya on Thursday
The true story of Clone Wars, that respects and represents the Jedi and the Sith as they should be.
I only watched this, cuz it was on TV when I was a kid. I wish I was able to watch the Genndy Clone wars. I want to get into the EU. What do you recommend I start with?
I heard that George original sequel trilogy gonna resurrected darth maul as the main villain do you think if disney don't bought star wars then dave gonna used George ideas
HE WAS!!! It was his idea for What happened after the empire fill Darth maul would fill in the power vacuum left by the Empire.
Good on you are delaying your video because of James Earl Jones. I couldn’t stand people who made a 2 minute video saying RIP then went back to there regular videos.
That is exactly why i did it everyone needed a break and time to think about it
I think there was plenty of good to come out of clone wars though.
I liked Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars better
Ahsoka was georges idea & was supposed to be introduced 2 1/2 years into the war originally but TCW ran too long and thats why the EU stuff was retconned, retconning wasnt planned from the beginning so thats completely on Filoni
Make more of these about clone wars
Will do, glad you guys are all enjoying them. They are also very fun to make.
I would add Witches/Magic to the list as well
Dave’s campfire excuse is as stupid as Endgame’s explanation of time travel. (Which is just a rip off of Doctor Who’s and Rick and Morty’s versions of time travel) Also Loki ruined multiverses by saying every universe is a timeline which couldn’t be further from the truth. Timelines and Universes are two different things. Dave’s campfire explanation of anything SW in turn is similar and ruins everything. I could come up with a better explanation of his campfire analogy than him and I’m not even a writer.
Dave and Sam Witwer are cancers to star wars lore and canon
@@DarthPawz also Dave introduced time travel in sw and pretends it doesn’t exist. It was already stupid introducing it, but the fact that he just ignores it is even more ridiculous as he merely used it to bring back his blow up doll.
I noticed the change in thumbnail. It does it make it seem like it seems rather odd.
For this video? Yes I changed it because i made this video private yesterday because of James Earl Jones passing.
@@DarthPawz Ahh, I understand. It's rather sad to see James Earl Jones passing away. May he rest in peace. Also, not only that, but Ahsoka effectively replaced Padmé as one of the triad.
Dave Filoni has never read the EU
100%
@@DarthShadow5 we don't need to wonder, actions speak louder than words after all
Facts! 💯
I disagree, he has, and that's the problem
Worse. He's read just enough to pillage some good bits and turn them into shit. Like Thrawn...
I got a Kamala AD 😂
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I don’t. Kind of odd. When in doubt, blame UA-cam.
Jensaraai1 would heavily agree with you.
Jensaraai1 is a hypocritical clown, who's on record stating he doesn't care about the movies.
@@Verebazs Look who's talking.
What a Joke!
What I didn't like is that in The Bounty Hunters Code Book in the Tor Vizla's Journal, it says that the Republic bombed Mandalore making it into a desert but now Dave Filoni saying that it was the Mandalorians themselves that did it why would they when Mandalore was the one reason that unites Mandalorians and they respect their planet enough that when they were having a Civil War they weren't fighting on Mandalore but in the Mandalorian Sector and by having Mandalore bomb it destroy the longest historical caf shop in the galaxy the Oyu'baat Cantina
Also, Cuy'val Dar in English means "those who no longer exist" so making them "not canon" makes sense to me
Filoni faithful will never turn on TCW
Sadly you are right
I agree Maul being brought back was stupid af (although he became a really cool character), but the other 2 points are just massive copes with a lack of vision on your part
Exactly
I agree the first point was good the rest was just actully copium idk why he is comparing it to the EU
This show is a Masterpiece, You guys are ridiculous
State your reasons why I am wrong
@@DarthPawz I'm not saying your wrong, if you don't like it that's ok. But This is one of my all time favorite cartoons. That's my opinion
@@JulianMack-po9fbAgreed.The show is pretty good.
Specifically the umbara ark ☔
@@JulianMack-po9fb I swear the reasons this man said TCW was bad was ridiculous 😂
@@dawudabdulali3827 Oh Shut up
Wait till bro find out that Anakin blew up the death star.
I forget about that
To be fair Maul’s return was the least damaging thing in canon. In fact in old canon, there was a comic known as Old Scars, where Maul returned to hunt Kenobi. He used Luke as a hostage, and Obi Wan cut him down in an epic duel. But instead of killing him, Owen delivered the fatal blow. That was way more epic than his pathetic 5 second death in Rebels. Everything else in Shilloni’s canon is just awful. Rebels is okay. But the other shows he made are garbage. He was just a big crybaby who didn’t want to work under the confines of creative control and decisions. So he basically did away with the REAL CW series made 10 years ago to make way for his own canon that makes no sense at all. What a shit show. 😂
That comic was the what if comic Pawz was referring to.
You do know that George Lucas was the one who wanted ahsoka to be an skin apprentice because Dave want ahsoka to be plo Kooning apprentice and George Lucas did change it so regardless if you agree with the recon or not it does not change the fact the George Lucas still see TCW as canon and he green lighted the series even if Dave did most of it and George Lucas as I said never showed and angry against Dave as far as I’m aware and while I do understand why EU fans did not like it and that is fine I’m not expecting to change anyone’s mind but I still see the TCW as canon to George Lucas since he has never straight up said oh it is not canon but I do see your point but remember George Lucas did green light the series and was mostly fine with the changes even if other fans did not and again he owned Star Wars really sell Star Wars to Disney letting miss KK tyrant and especially siding with Bob iger against Nelson peltz was the real worst mistake he made so I will still love Star Wars TCW and Still see as canon since George Lucas has no said that it is not canon plus again George Lucas still owns Star Wars back when it was made so everything made both good and bad is his responsibility
How does George see TCW as canon if he said the og CW is canon and saw the Eu as canon?
@@DarthPawz yeah I wonder that myself
@@DarthPawz ok fair enough but no one knows what he was thinking plus as i said I never heard him say things like Dave your terrible manager you ruined Star Wars I mean if he say that now about Dave with him betraying me and fans of Star Wars I would agree with George Lucas and plus technically remember ahsoka was meant to die in order 66 or at some time before a new hope witch if George Lucas own Star Wars I would be fine with but no Dave had to betray us by basically getting are hopes up for using ahsoka and time travel to recon the sequel trilogy only to slap us in the face with his betrayal and character assassination on ahsoka as a bonus and for that I will never forgive Dave for that I really want to give him a piece of my mind believe me I want to also did George Lucas want mual to appear post return of the Jedi when Disney buy Star Wars granted it was just an idea but it was showing that George Lucas was at least ok with mual surviving past the clone wars but I find if BS that ahsoka dies before a new hope and mual does not also rip James earl jones I and everyone will miss him he was such a legend as darth Vader and I love he as one of the greatest villain in Star Wars
I think there are some parts of the OG tcw that are Cannon like the Corasont attack
@@DarthPawz One thing I will say is that George contradicts himself quite a lot and I do believe he sees TCW as canon (Sadly)
I do not understand why people like this show
Filoni Faithful
Are you saying they're outright _wrong_ to like it?
Cus its great
this is why I think TCW is super overrated not peak Star Wars to me EU has best/good stories in Star Wars that peak Star Wars
There's way more than 3 ways it broke canon.
I never liked bringing Maul back because as a character even without the extended media he serves his purpose. Plus it's pointless considering they pretty much made a replacement character they could've used.
EDIT: You forgot to mention the retcon where the Jedi found out Dooku was Tyranus which makes them look stupid for still trusting the clones when they find out he paid for them.
You wont understand if you are under 15 bro
Seeing you tear apart, the clone wars is hilarious 😂
It is also very fun 🤣
I am just going to say this clearly. No?. I am going to touch on the points very in a sec but first, the comics being retconned was more of a company and decision, while Dave has that power now he didn’t back then, so most of the dropping cannon stuff wasn’t his fault. Also you don’t touch on any story details, like what everybody likes about the show, you touch on it from a concept standpoint. All you are mad about is the idea of bringing maul back, the idea of some mandalorians being peaceful, the idea of Asoka. You say all of this without bringing up why people acutely like these decisions. You just wine like, “oh they didn’t follow the comics, and lore” when like, who cares. If so many people like this show then I can’t say they’ve made a bad decision with it. Also, those comics are like 20 years old and you sound like you’re 17 at most, get over it. Now on to the actual break down
1.Mauls brought back
Ok you are right when you say maul was cool in the phantom menace, but he’s not a character. Give me any lore about maul taken from the phantom menace. “He’s a sithlord” you say. Ok tell me more. Give me any info about maul other than the fact he’s a sith. You can’t, because there is none. Maul is a good idea, but he’s not a character. He has no motives, no wants, no needs. He’s just fights the Jedi and dies. The Clone wars makes maul cool again by explaining how he survived, also you say he died and came back when no he survived. They explain how he used his anger, an established sith ability, to keep himself alive. How he build himself together and sought vengeance against obiwan to keep himself standing. Mind you, darth Vader did the exact same thing. They even loss the same amount of body parts. Maul both his legs and Vader four arms and legs from the knee down. The clone wars gives maul those motives, wants, needs that makes him a character. And that character is cool, is awesome, and feels like maul. They also take a long time to bring him back to the way he was, taking a whole arc to bring him back. It’s not just,”and now maul is alive” it’s him clawing his way out of heck and seeking vengeance on obiwan.
2. The madalorian peace
You say that it would be ridiculous for mandalorians to be peaceful because that’s not the mandalorians I like. That’s like saying all Jedi don’t have wives when that wrong, quigon Jin had one, that’s in the lore. Certain people or societies can change, did you forget that their were people rebelling against the madalorian peace, did you forget that not all people of the same race are the same. I am not saying you’re a racist but thinking all people of a certain culture in media, you’re an idiot. It’s clear in the show that mandalorians once were this battle based society but realized that that wasn’t the best for development and became a political figure and after the war on madalor where so many people died, the mandalorians when back to the way they were, battle born people and set to go back to their traditional ways. And again you didn’t speak about any of these reasons, you just said, “mandalorians would never be political”, that’s not an argument because you don’t state anything in the story that would make that unreasonable, you just hate it because of the idea.
3. Asoka tano
You don’t say anything about asokas character, you don’t say anything about her development, you don’t say anything about her. You just say, “anikan would never have a padowan”. Why the heck not, what’s so special about anikan that makes it so that he shouldn’t have an padowan. Again you don’t give any actual criticism about the actual thing rather than just saying, “but it doesn’t follow these 20 year old books that have been called non canon for years now but I still seem to be angry about that for some reason” you don’t explain things, you just say there trash because you hate the concept. Asoka is not only a good character in her own right, but is good for anakin as we see him grow beyond that apprentice level to be the teacher, we also get conflict from him starting to connect with Asoka like a parent and doesn’t want her to get killed in battle, simultaneously pushing him to the darth side a little as it goes. We get to see anakin grow as well as see his flaws. All the things you need from a good character. Thus Asoka stays.
Conclusion
Look, it seems like you respect starwars and like George Lucas, but shooting down everything not made by him is just choosing yourself off to a whole lot of genuinely good story’s. And you seem like an aspiring UA-camr, but shooting down one of the most popular and well regarded shows in the world will not get you very far. So if you want to go to bed with your George Lucas body pillow that’s fine. But don’t attack good media simply because you don’t like the idea of it. Watch the show and then base your opinions. Or else just be quiet.
Cope
@@DarthPawz pay no attention to Filoni faithful. Their brains are a hive mind like the Borg from Star Trek. No independent thought.
@@DarthPawzwith that response alone now we know we can't take you seriously
@@DarthPawzat least he made some very great points, unlike you in the video
The literature you're talking about was never Canon. It was signed off on by George but he only considered the films as Canon, then later the Clone Wars that Lucas Film produced. You say "cope" I do. Let's see what else passes you off? XOXO
#FiloniFraud
Star Wars fans are truly insufferable
Ah, a video from you I disagree with! :)
Some good points brought up but the George stuff gets very murky the more you look into it. Can’t wait for your next vid mate.
I am not that knowledgeable on George’s decisions besides him wanting Ahsoka to die. Was he the one he brought Maul back? Did he make the inhibitior chips? I research to find answers but find nothing.
@@DarthPawz Filoni said that the decision to bring Maul back came from George however Filoni lies through his teeth often so he can't be immediately believed. However by analysing creative decisions as well as how Filoni typically does things it is most likely that the decision was George's (I believe the decision to bring Maul back made Filoni worse as he now had an excuse for doing similar things) . The mandalore and by extension the Mandalorian culture change was most definitely George, while no definitive proof of this exists, it fits all the hallmarks of a George Lucas decision.
I could definitely see the Mandalorian thing being George but the Maul thing is very suspicious to me. The excuse I hear is “George was bringing back maul for the sequels” well when he made that Maul idea it was a quick 5 minute thought during that interview.
@@DarthPawzThis my problem with TCW, I want to consider it canon because I've come to the conclusion that many of the changes (The larger ones anyway) were most likely George but I don't want to disrupt the EU continuity (Which for the most part is better). Maybe on a livestream one day me you and StarWarsMarvelPurist can discuss how to deal with this issue haha.
TCW is overrated af. From shoehorning Ahsoka into the story, Bringing back Darth Maul, changing the Mandalorians, inhibitor chips, etc.
T f u saying bro
In the EU, Deathwatch were not real Mandalorians. “Jango Fett: Open Seasons” covered this.
Even in Starwars Galaxies when you ask Boba Fett’s npc in Jabba’s palace about Deathwatch, Boba doesn’t consider Deathwatch to be Mandalorian.
Filoni, as always ignores canon and makes up random crap on a whim
They need to stop turning elseworlds stories into franchises. Let Elseworlds stay standalone. Also Filoni is a hack who ripped off that What If comic.
He is a complete fake fan who never looked into canon to see if he was retconning anything
I'm just saying it if anakin skywalker could get All his limbs cut off cooked alive and somehow still Survive i Think maul may be ok
Anakin didn’t get his vital organs cut off, Anakin didn’t fall down a bottomless pit, Anakin wasn’t a mere assassin Palpatine didn’t have much use for, Anakin was sensed by Palpatine and was rescued because he was important for his plans whereas Darth Maul was diposible
@@SolurVoludun you know how hot lava is? His organs were most definitely boiled
@@B1_1_9_7_5 he didn’t fall into lava, he caught on fire by being close to the lava
I was expecting a video of genuine lore-breaking incidents in TCW, but all that you presented were conceptual ideas that don’t follow the rules of non-canon material from years ago. The expanded universe was never on the level of canon as the movies or television series anyway. If you had made this video to share how TCW diverged from the expanded universe it could have been worth the time, but as it is this video is clickbait.
I love how you expose Failoni's bullshit. His worst offense IMO was that whole Gods of Mortis crap. Maybe you could make a whole video on that topic one of these days. ;)
Just like everything in this garbage tier video, Mortis comes directly from Lucas. The discussion in which he explains the concept to Filoni is included in the Blu-Ray collection of the prequels. He also talked about Mortis in an interview for Paul Duncan's Star Wars Archives 1999-2005. So yeah. It's not Filoni's crap. It's undisputeable Lucas canon.
@@Verebazscry harder, shill
Hey Pawz! Can you share my new video that’s my rant on Sony? Also I’d love for you to make your own version and video of the topic I discuss in it. But yeah, my Sony rant video needs more traction. Can you help a brother out?
I will share it tonight great video btw
@@DarthPawz thanks 🙏
I disagree
You can disagree the Earth is round
Facepalm. Son, the only thing you continue to prove with these things, is that you did absolutely no research.
1: Maul's return:
1.1: Whether you like it or not, Maul's return was done on the order of George Lucas. You can't get more canon than that, because as the creator of Star Wars, Lucas is the one who dictates canon. As for the comics and novels: No, no and no, on all of your claims. Lucas didn't read the comics, and novels, he didn't care about that stuff, he said so himself, all you have to do is search here on UA-cam. He did not go through the scripts, he had a middle manager, who presented him a checkbox of what they planned, and that's it. And finally he always maintained that the EU is an elseworld, that doesn't affect his stories.
You want to know what is the only Star Wars project other than the six movies, where he not only did go through the scripts, the designs and even the rough cuts, but even provided the story outlines personally? It's The Clone Wars. There I explained it.
1.2: Given the existence of characters like Grievous and Darth Vader, Maul's survival is not that far fetched. And an EUtard especially has no right to complain about how "ridiculous" it is, given that the EU had trash like Darth Sion, who was a decomposing corpse, and Exar Kun who became a Force Ghost, because the EU writers were too dense to understand the OT's pretty clear indication that only Jedi can return as Force Ghosts etc. And you also have no right to criticise Rise of MaRey Sue for bringing back Palpatine, because the EU did that too, and it was just as stupid there, as it was in the film.
1.3: Palpatine's fanboys tend to overstate his greatness to a ridiculous degree, and you are no exception. He's a good villain, with great skills at manipulation, but he's far from being omniscient. Might I remind you, that Palpatine couldn't sense Luke arriving to Endor, despite being there himself? Might I remind you, that he failed to find someone as powerful in the Force as Anakin Skywalker? Might I remind you that he failed to sense Vader turning against him? Might I remind you, that the entire plot of TPM is Palpatine scrambling to salvage his plan, which went belly-up at the first hurdle, because he couldn't sense the Jedi intervening with the Trade Federation blockade (and yes, that was a failure on his part, he himself stated it was an unexpected complication)?
1.5: While I agree Maul's return cheapens TPM's climax, no it doesn't contradict anything in the film.
2:
2.1: Once again, the pacifist Mandalore regime came directly from Lucas. Because again, Lucas didn't care about the EU, he didn't work on the EU, but he did work on TCW. So yeah, pacifist Mandalore is canon. Deal with it.
2.2: The Mandalorians of the EU were trash. There is no such thing as a "warrior culture", because war is anti-thetical with culture. War is the failure of politics and economics, and politics and economics are downstream from culture, so war is two stages removed from culture. Therefore the idea of a warrior culture surviving for millenia is laughable.
2.3: Those novels and comics themselves were laughably bad and they did in fact contradict the movies. Take Jango's ridiculous backstory for instance. According to the comics he was the leader of a Mandalorain faction, that the Jedi were tricked into exterminating, roughly around the same time The Phantom Menace took place, maybe a few years earlier. Let's go over on how many points this trash contradict Lucas's vision shall we?
2.3.1: While the Jedi of the prequel trilogy have certainly lost their way, due to being wrapped in political red tape, Lucas was very clear that the Jedi are the most morally and ethically sound people in the entire Galaxy, who always strive to do the right thing. The ease with which they were tricked into commiting the G-word (I hate YT censorship), is a direct contradiction of Lucas's claim about the Jedi. It makes the Jedi look both morally rotten to core and utterly stupid, who got what they deserved in Order 66, instead of being manipulated into a no-win situation by a great schemer.
2.3.2: AOTC makes it abundantly clear that the Jedi don't know anything about Jango Fett. Eventhough he was the leader of a Mandalorian faction, they fought a war against a mere decade earlier. That's akin to saying that the current top brass of the US military knows nothing about who Saddam was.
2.4: Karen Traviss is a hack. She's widely despised in the fandoms of every franchise she ever worked on, and even her colleagues consider her unprofessional and hard to work with. As for her Republic Commando novels, while they're far not the worst of the EU's offerings, they are among the most disrespectful towards the movies and Lucas himself, with the constant Jedi bashing and Mandalore shilling BS. Seriously she's on record saying that the Jedi deserved Order 66 for the way they treated the clones...in the novels she wrote! That's how far up her own donkey (have I mentioned how much I hate YT censorship?) she is.
3: Ahsoka...Oh boy, have I got a cold shower for you:
3:1: Filoni didn't originally create Ahsoka to be Anakin's apprentice. In fact he didn't want to go anywhere near the trio of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padmé, precisely because he didn't want to upset entitled EUtards like you. His original pitch for The Clone Wars was to follow the crew of a small ship as they travel across the war torn Galaxy, with only occasional guest appearences from movie characters. The crew would have consisted off of a smuggler, his girlfriend who also would've been the ship's acepilot, their Gungan hired help, and a Twi'lek Jedi, with his female Togruta apprentice, then called Ashla. That's right. Filoni wanted to do on TCW what he ended up doing on Rebels. You know who rejected this idea? It was George Lucas, because Lucas wanted to do a show with his characters. And it was also Lucas who liked Filoni's designs of Ashla and made her Anakin's apprentice. Filoni even protested that Anakin doesn't have an apprentice, to which Lucas replied, "He does now." Because again, what Lucas says, is canon. Everythingelse is fanfiction.
3.2: Anakin having a Padawan doesn't contradict anything in the movies. And again, before TCW, only the movies were ever canon, because Lucas wasn't involved with any of the EU. He allowed people to play in his sandbox, but he always made it clear, that the only stories that mattered to him, were his own.
3.3 Once again, the EU's portrayal of Anakin was trash. He was a constantly angry edgelord, because those hacks failed to realise that his slaughter of the Tuskens in AOTC was supposed to be a breaking point for Anakin, not his base personality. His base personality is a passionate and compassionate person, who had far more personality than the EU ever bothered to acknowledge.
Took the time to read through all of that, and well said my friend
Not sure why this video got recommended to me. This kid sounds like he was born around when TCW first aired. Not even being alive when any of the EU was written. This is dictionary definition of “the people who hate Star Wars the most are Star Wars fans”
@@michaellyne7496 Not only that, he's ridiculously misinformed even about the EU. He made another video, whining about how TCW destoryed the previously well-maintained continuity of the EU, with it's constant retcons...as if the EU didn't constantly retcon itself. When I pointed this out, he told me to pull the proof, so I went through a couple examples from the top of my head (Tartakovsky's miniseries, Luceno's Labirynth of Evil, and Shatterpoint). He hasn't responded yet...
#FakeFan
@@michaellyne7496dumbass
Also Dave doesn’t understand that being a Mandalorian Warrior doesn’t make them bad. They treat the old ways in TCW as being evil but in reality there are both good and bad Warrior Mandalorians. It’s basically a traditional cultural creed they all do. Also not all Mandalorians are humans in the EU, yet in TCW they treat them as Xenophobic a holes that are exclusively blonde haired people like a certain real life group of people I can’t quite remember the name of. 🤔
Warrior = Culture but Dave does not understand that. it is like he does not know the canon/lore.
@@DarthPawz it’s like if the Yautjas from Predator weren’t sport hunters and instead were garbage people or accountants. 🥸
@@ParkerCS2 I know nothing about Predator but you are probably right
@@DarthPawz 👍👍
why is it that a lot of filonis OC's are basically just his waifus. Bo Katan, Ahsoka (at least now), Sabine. I liked certain parts of his shows but overall he's just mediocre as hell. Mandalorian S1 was good, Mando s2 was good but had some issues, S3.. well.. sucked. Clone Wars overall is decent BUT it contradicts key parts of the EU. Rebels I liked some of it, I really liked Kanan but other than thats its alright. it would've been fine if George and Filoni just said "We want to make another timeline that is from our own creation and not taking other people's stories." but instead they shoved it all into one big universe and yes, we know the EU is also filled with tons of retcons but that just makes it worse to add a million more retcons on it.
They also made Maul into Space Kimgpin.
Pretty much
Jabba is more Space Kingpin than Maul.
Are you joking in this video? Adding stuff that wasn't mentioned isn't really retconing.
Adding stuff that doesn’t fit the lore is retconing.
Stop making excuses
@@SolurVoludun I'm not making excuses, not at all. I just don't get the point of raging about a long ended TV show which was intended for kids.
@@Sherman.22 you’re lying to yourself
@@SolurVoludun If you say so. So I guess the series is still running. But dude for real I know it's sad but Lucas canon has long ended like 12 years ago. I think it's time to move on.
@@Sherman.22 I won’t move on until Disney stops disrespecting it
Clone inhibitor chips are stupid as well. Originally Order 66 was just one of the 150 contingency orders that all clones memorized during their training + they were programmed to demonstrate unfailing loyalty to Chancellor Palpatine and the republic. And Order 66 says the jedi have betrayed the republic. And in AOTC they explain "They are totally obedient, taking any order without question, we modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host" And that's why clones obeyed order 66. And why doesn't the inhibitor chip make clones obey EVERY order? Why only Order 66?
Correct i did not mention those in this vid because i have a whole video planned about the chips.
It’s more sympathetic than stupid chips as their dna prevents them from being independent beings and cannot disobey any orders. It’s not just something in their brains. They from birth are loyal soldiers who cannot be reasoned with once order 66 is initiated. They are like the Orcs from Lord of the Rings. Fodder for the dark lord to use at will. They didn’t need inhibitor chips.
@@DarthPawz JJ plagiarisms made a good point in his video which I just had in my comment here above this one. The clones were sympathetic because they are genetically loyal that they can’t refuse any orders. Them having inhibitor chips is stupid. The clones were specifically bred for combat. That’s the whole point why the Jedis were against using them at first because it’s technically slavery.
@ParkerCS2 JJ Plagiarism makes Star Wars fans like us praise him for his channel. He works so hard for researching a lot of Star Wars lore to explain the things Disney, filoni, and the director who worked on the Disney trilogy got wrong and plagiarized what was already set up. Showing the brand by those who have no love, passion, and creativity for Star Wars, only milking the brand with political agendas.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 and also he isn’t overly negative like a lot of shills may lead you to believe if you weren’t intelligent and gives some positives like how fleshing out the clones was something of a nice thing to do. However, he also made a huge point that instead of the stupid BAD BATCH they should’ve made a Domino Squad series. They made more sense as they unlike other clones were specifically more independent to do harder tasks and could have conflicting ideologies than of the empire. But no instead Dave kills off one of their members as a mindless lackey which they shouldn’t be unlike regular clones. 🤦
bro sounds like he wasnt even alive when it came out, darth sion held his body together through his own will and hatred, Maul isnt the first instance lmfao
Did Darth Sion fall down a bottomless pit where nobody would find him and there’s probably no way out?
Probably not
You know what’s worse than falling down a bottomless pit, getting dipped in lava. And we all know who survived that
@@TheforeverPigeonKing at least Anakin was findable, and he was important for Palpatine’s plans so that’s why the latter even bothered to go pick him up.
Darth Maul was merely an expendable assassin who may or may not stick around in the large scheme of things.
And if you fall down a bottomless pit while cut in half, in a reactor shaft and the only one who might know what you’re doing doesn’t give a flying shit about you, you’re fucked even if you survive the fall and the fact that you’re in a reactor shaft. Nobody will know you’re there and nobody will even want to go pick you up; not only that, you got cut in half and you can’t even move around. You’re fucked
@@SolurVoludun why does he need to? his skin literally flakes, rots, and falls off but he continues to live💀 ur clearly projecting something here cuz its not that deep, sith keep themselves alive when anger claims their life before death. This is the Star Wars universe, not ours, big shot
@@TheforeverPigeonKing they arent ready for that conversation
Bro you are just a whiny kid,understand all the things this show has,you put a photo of boba when he is not a mandalorian,but you still put him,also there were way more than 30 mandalorians in season 7,also not every one was in favor of satine,admit you are a rebels fan boy or 2003 clone wars lover,who doesn’t tolerate the new clone wars are better and you say its canon breaking because of legends,genius
Also the clone wars was way different in legends so the prequels are canon breaking?grow up wimpy boy
Dumbass
So just because she isn't mentioned means it's a reckon
Not only is she not mentioned, her existence is just implausible.
@@B1_1_9_7_5 She messes up the timeline, Anakin was originally only knighted at the end of the Clone Wars and Filoni changed that so he could include his oc, that and her poorly explained absence from episode 3 and completely unexplained absence from the OT
@@JacktheStripper-tc5pn end of the clone war? Are you telling me in Revenge of the Sith Anakin was still a goddamn Padawan
@@B1_1_9_7_5 A year before episode 3 if I remember correctly. Filoni knighted Anakin six months after episode 2 which goes completely against Anakin thinking the Jedi are holding him back and makes his turn to the dark side make no sense, being knighted at 19 is above average so in the Disney timeline Anakin was knighted early but still whined about being held back
What a terrible show
Very overrated
@@DarthPawz People who like it are fake fans
Agreed. 2003 Clone Wars destroys this overhyped piece of garbage
What a terrible opinion ;)
If you think consistency and lore is important, perhaps Star Wars isn't the franchise for you. It's kind of a mess since ESB really.
Ignorant
Cope
@@larsramaekers2116 Everything you just said... was wrong.
Star Wars has been consistent with its lore for decades, before the Dark Times, before TCW.
But thanks for outing yourself!
''Look im different'' ahh video. Lil bro is acting as if retcon has never been done before. The moment you said ''fake fan'' shows how you are just another wannabe grifter.
Dumbass
@@leopard2a436 When it comes to a franchise like Star Wars, retcons are not forgivable when they go against the hard work of passionate fans and the creator.
Cry some more, snowflake.
Ok here we go, the way your talking in that weird voice mocking people is just odd, and you saying the entirety of the phantom menece is retvoned because maul lived makes littlerally no sence 😂 its just one small part rrtcomed and that was mauls death, and its ok to perfer the og version of the mandolorians but you moking people just because they like something you dont is weird, and you saging anakin having an apprentice makes no sence us odd, just because she wasnt ever mentioned dosebt retcon the entirety of ep3 bud, it doesn't even retcon anything, it just adding to ghe story, I seriously think you dont understand wjat retcon even means 😂 just because one small part was changed doesn't mean everything was changed. And lucas was apart of the shoe, none of us can say for sure Lucas thought that or made that happened because we dont know if he did or not.
His main argument for why he hates. It is because Canon breaking.
@@B1_1_9_7_5 from legends yes
Cry harder, shill
Are we not gonna talk about anakin surviving worse than maul
"Dave Filoni is not a true fan" Dude who are you to say who isn't a fan Dave Filoni actually worked with George Lucas. Also Ahsoka is a good character she's way better than Rey or Padme.
Sorry did you not watch the video i explained how Dave broke canon and how he is a fake fan. Also "Ahsoka is better than padme" 🤣
@@DarthPawz this guy is coping hard
You should check out the Expanded Universe because there are many female characters who are a lot better than Ahsoka and other female characters in Disney Canon.
@@DarthPawz Dude Padme sucks. She made a lot of stupid and annoying decisions.
"Ashoka is a better character than Padme" lmao. Padme runs circles around Ahsoka, the Disney primses with plot armor thicker than Dave's head...
I swear this video must have been written like 15 years ago because it was dog shit takes like this are the ones people had about clone wars when it was coming out
Oh yeah George Lucas was doing most of the decisions you don't like because even if George signed off on it doesn't mean George liked the EU because he didn't
Dumbass
This guy is just unhinged
Tf? George was literally involved in retconning a tonne of Star Wars media. Clone wars was created to be canonical and is way more prominent than any of those comics. What you’re saying us absurd, if George really wanted those stuff to be canon then he wouldn’t have let CW change it, he was literally the executive producer of the show you absolute spanner. God legends fanboys are the most insufferable in the fandom, George was going to retcon the entire post episode 6 timeline if he made his sequel movies
@@omarbaba9892 Someone clearly didn't do his research...
@@BrandontheAwesome George was literally executive producer of the show🤦 he clearly intended this stuff to be canon and even later in the show when he had less involvement he’d tell Filoni to change stuff when it went against his views
@@omarbaba9892 George was very hands-off the production of TCW. Filoni was the one running things.
George never intended for this to be canon.
Also, funny you provide no actual evidence to back your claims. Oh wait! That's because it's already been debunked!
#TriggeredReyBoy
Who whole point was to retcon those books and comics🤦 the entire show doesn’t work with those stories because it wasn’t meant to, it was meant to work with the movies and it does
It doesn't work with the movies at all. There's a bunch of contradictions created by that overrated Kids show. The EU was way better sorry you don't have the attention span to read books 🤷
@@nicolasacosta1673 I’ve watched a tonne of lore videos and timelines about the books, a lot of them are very good. How does CW break the lore though when it just really doesn’t
@omarbaba9892 Maul coming back, clones having personalities, and Ahsoka's mere existing are just a few things that TCW does that breaks canon. All these either contradicts the movies or make no sense. No way in hell did Maul survive getting cut in half and falling down a pit. The clones aren't supposed to have personalities, this is alluded to by Lama Su in AOTC. And lastly Ashoka just existing makes no sense. First there's no way in hell that the council would give Anakin an apprentice given his reputation with them. And also Ashoka is never mentioned again in ROTS which makes no sense if you're pretending that TCW is canon and is supposed to lead into ROTS.
In other words, that show wasn’t meant to work with canon.
The books are what works with movies
@ the 2008 CW show was meant to work with the movies and it does. Fits better than the 2003 one does and it was George who was the executive producer of the show so he made it to fit in with the movies
Nah this guy is wild😂
My evidence is correct
@@DarthPawz bro you are saying that Ahsoka being alive is breaking canon. It’s fine if you don’t like star wars, but you don’t have to spread lies
@@eliskarvinen9418 when did he say he disliked Star Wars???? 🤷♂️ you shills don’t make sense.
@@ParkerCS2 go watch his videos and report back to me
@@eliskarvinen9418 I’ve seen 80% of his videos and still don’t believe your statement. If you mean Disney Star Wars then yes. But Star Wars?! No!
I thought it was good and most people say its good
Ad populum
@@SolurVoludun wut?
@@B1_1_9_7_5 I said what I said
umm you guys do realized that Filoni rarely used an original idea right? most of the episodes were actually ideas that Lucas developed and he just grounded them, case in point the drastical change in character of General Grievous, in tartakovsky's depiction of the character was that of an unstoppable force, able to engage and kill multiple jedi even masters, BUT the version we have in the movie, he's cowardly and lost to a single jedi master, now before filoni's version the fandom assumed it was because windu wounded him in the tartakovsky's show, well the reality was that when the 2-D show was made, Lucas didn't have a clear idea how grievous would be, heck he choose his final design very late in production of the movie, with the magna guard actually being close to be the final design, Lucas ultimately choose the one we know and love but liked the magna guard he kept them in the movie as grievous bodyguards, Tartakovsky himself said Lucasfilm didn't give him any character direction, they just gave him the design said this is a villain that kills jedi, so he went the "badass" route, a route that actually didn't sit well with Lucas as he thought making a super powerful villain would steal the spotlight from the sith, so he went with the cowardly route and a trend Filoni followed.
you complain about Filoni butchering canon? dude he learn from the best, George Lucas, I know some fans like to think of Lucas as an all knowing fountain of wisdom of the SW canon but the reality is, even well after he finished the OG trilogy, he hardly knew what he was doing half the time, for starters Vader was not meant to be Luke's father, he decided that mid production of "empire" Leia was not Luke's sister and was actually meant to be luke's love interest, Han was supposed to die in "empire" and the whole "there is another" dialogue from yoda was supposed to allude to a twin sister who was supposed to be the focus of a new trilogy, all these ideas were scrapped or changed during the production of the last film, and finally all the stories you love so much in the "legends" or "EU" universe? yeah Lucas didn't care for them, in fact he hated a lot of aspect of them like Mara Jade.
in conclusion, dude if you don't like some star wars content, great, more power to you, but please stop hiding behind stuff like "this character wouldn't do that" or "Lucas wouldn't want this" Georgie approved most if not all of filoni's show.
@@omarreyes7626 Fake fan detected.
@@BrandontheAwesome where? you talking about yourself? seasoned fans know that TCW was co-produced by Lucas, he gave the idea for the inhibitor chips, Rex, and Ahsoka, Filoni simply grounded them.
@@omarreyes7626 Real seasoned fans would know that Lucas had very little to no involvement in the actual making of TCW.
Sorry, dude. The truth hurts, don't it?
@@BrandontheAwesome it really does doesn't it? to realize that Lucas was a massive creative force behind this series and be in such denial, to not know he was the one that came up with the inhibitor chips, the one that suggested anakin to be given an apprentice for this show and the one that dissmised the idea of using legends arc trooper Alpha 17 as the main clone character because the anakin team had to many A's (anakin, ahsoka and Artoo) so Rex was created, and yes, Lucas is so flickle with his ideas he would often change them for small reason like this.
imagine being on such denial of such basic stuff, you believe anyone that spews poison on a show, that you create your own small world were the creator of the franchise is on your side, when in reality he help create the show you hate, such a sad existence, to belittle people for liking something about a franchise and call them "fake fans", just that alone puts your ignorance at full display, once you grow up buddy you'll realize there's no such thing as a "fake fan".
You’re a fake fan because you haven’t read a thousand books and comics.
@@generalj216 No, you are a fake fan for not knowing your Star Wars, as well as supporting the destruction of the franchise.
@@BrandontheAwesome except I do and am a big fan of the expanded universe and TCW. Try that BS cope with someone else.
@@generalj216 Cope.
It’s a good show but a dogshit Star Wars content.
CWMMP > TCW
The CWMMP clears
@@DarthPawz we lost the Battle of Jabiim and instead we got the Martez Sisters.
Delta Squad > Bad Batch
Alpha 17 > Captain Rex
Durge > Cad Bane
CWMMP Ventress > TCW Ventress.
I remember when CW2003 aired on TV, my mom recorded the fight with Anakin and Ventress on a videocassette and I’d watch that fight over and over.