Matter is a Relative Matter with Iain McGilchrist: part 1
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2019
- Iain McGilchrist talks to Matt Shaw about how our divided brain, the left and right hemispheres, shape our perceptions and how this can separate us from the natural world. Can we find our way back?
Filmed at Iain's beautiful home on the Isle of Skye, they explore Iain’s work in general, also covering Intellectual, Spiritual, Living, Cultural, Experiential capital and perhaps a few other forms as well.
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A vital conversation for those interested in exploring the 8 Forms of Capital.
Also see thedividedbrain.com
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The interviewer has the dearest face. So earnest in his attunement to the dialogue. I loved his questions and comments, too, that seemed to elicit deeper offerings from Iain.
One of the rare instances where I’m very grateful to the internet and the screens to re-present reality, as Iain would say, back to us. As much as I’d love to walk the Isle of Skye and sit with him in person, I’ll take re-presentation over youtube any day. Thanks for this.
me too
Brilliant interview. Loved both McGilchrist's insights and the interviewer's calm, attentive attitude.
Quite definitely one of the most interesting and life-affirming conversations on UA-cam.
It's so good to find a video with with inteligent people speaking about interesting things. Thank you so much
Glad you enjoyed it - thank you for your comment
I have ordered Iain's book (3rd March 2021) as I only just came across his work today and have had a wonderful time listening all day. It cheers me no end to hear intelligent discussions between people who care about Mother Nature and our true existence as lived happily with both hemisphere's of the brain working together hopefully! Thank you both.
Iain what a behemoth of wisdom you are. I wish i could shake your hand and look you in the eye to thank you for the insights you ve given me.
If somebody asks how you make the world a better place...watch this
An excellent discussion on our need to refocus our vision onto the really important things, and also recognising our desire to hold onto what is comfortable. Looking forward to part 2. Thank you.
A shore way to bring the right hemisphere into conscious play is to listen to dreams. To begin with this is difficult as dreams speak in metaphor however once the left hemisphere is humbled enough to listen the world becomes a different place, it is experienced as alive and commictive. Much as the poet's know.
Beautiful. Thank you.
Beyond words...conversation...truly grateful for bringing this forth and unfolding it before us.
Fresh of breath air to finally see someone addressing real issues.
As much as I love music, I don't think the musical episodes during the interview was really necessary. Iain McGilchrist and host are compelling enough. Great talk, just how I feel.... Nature.
How interesting that we arrive at the same place having taking such different routes.
Listening to Ian I often have that aha! experience of understanding something I already knew but had not contextualized or articulated it in this particular way.
It is as though the "understanding" was already latent as a quasi quantum possibility but had not collapsed into the definite actuality so eloquently expressed by Ian.
I have found this emergent nature of pre understanding, initiated when we come into contact with authenticity, to be the hallmark of great teachers and teachings.
This experience is simultaneously curious and familiar, it is always refreshing and always welcome.
I liked Joseph Campbell's saying
"I don't think people are seeking the meaning of life rather the experience of it"
Only recently discovered this guy but what a joyful discovery.
Great comment, I think you just did for me what you say Iain did for you - nice one.
how kind, thank you. Perhaps we are indeed like Indras "net of gems", each one reflecting the light of every other, a shimmering neural network.
Like the experience when you express a concept or idea and during the explanation, you teach yourself something you seemed not to previously know.
In recent years I have come to the conclusion that when we remove our own obstacles to perception and are fortunate enough to arrive in that "flow state" we have access to an unfathomable vast source that perculates up "through us" and we act as a quasi conduit for its expression.
Quite exhilarating and wholesome this experience but somehow very familiar.
I feel we all have this potential, some choose to access it others to let it be, a latent opportunity for another time. It's all marvellous.
Take care and thank you for your kind comment.
bloody brilliant, FANTASTIC CONTENT
I think in the way future this guy will blow up in popularity
Fascinating explanation of hemisphere differentiation, and the differences between wisdom and knowledge acquisition. Simply brilliant. 🤩
Thank you both Sirs. Much appreciated.
Great interview, Iain completely summarises the dilemma we face at the most important level which is our own consciousness. I think portraying the issue of imbalance in conjunction with the theory of the two brain hemispheres is precisely the way in which it needs to be done.
Thank you for this encouraging feedback. We wll pass it on to all involved.
Wow on so many levels. Beautiful photography breaks.
Instantly made me reframe “Heart of Darkness” as fleeing western culture to feed the mystical/intuitive right hemi as a necessary human motivation.
Hark! Orwellian truth!
Part 1?.. Absolutely wonderful interview with one of the most interesting people I've ever listened to and read. Thank you very much.
Thank you!
wonderful interview thank you !
This is a wonderful conversation. It's the second time I have watched it and it is just as marvelous the second time around. That said, I would like to echo what some other viewers have said, which is that the music is very distracting. I get that it doesn't bother some people. But then again, it obviously bothers some of us enough that we feel compelled to post about it. Hoping Part 2 drops the music. But I'll watch it anyway... :-)
Thank you so much for this conversation! It came at a right time for me and it helps me see the richness of life again :) Very life affirming!
💙💙"A CHANGE OF HEART"!💙💙
I enjoyed this very much !
Thanks for this. It’s very interesting. Have you got a version without music?
very inspirational talk. much to think and wonder about with both my hemispheres!
This was fantastic
My right hemisphere found this whole video to be not just good but beautiful. My left hemisphere kept getting distracted and irritated by the slight asymmetry of the fireplace/bookshelves/clock arrangement.
Congrats permadude. When I read this prophet`s book several years ago, he described feelings and ideas that I have nurtured since my hippie days in the 70s. I have had very limited success communicating these Concepts to those I love. Nice to know that the permaculture freaks I associated with the whole earth catalog crew still survive. I had not heard from Ian for a while so I checked out UA-cam University to see what he was up to. Out of the 20 or so UA-cams I reviewed, you soy-boy, embodied the mother nature, loving-kindness, and connection Iain talks about. Oh, to sit around the campfire with you guys, listening to some good tribal Groove music and talk about shit. Why not invite all the other guys and girls of similar disposition to join us? It would be a small gathering I fear, but one hell of a good party.
How high were you Jimbo?
I would love to see a discussion between Peter Kingsley and Iain McGilchrist. _The Master and his Emissary_ was a very important book for me. Now I'm wrestling with Peter Kingsley's _Catafalque: Carl Jung and the End of Humanity._ Kingsley's erudition, much like McGilchrist's, is amazing, but in reading _Catafalque_ I'm finding that Kingsley is (perhaps too) enamored with the death concepts presented by the pre-Socratics (especially Parmenides, Pythagoras and Empedocles). I can't stop reading the two volumes of _Catafalque_ and I'm certain that no one else is the least bid interested in this esoteric subject. I will be reading McGilchrist's new book as soon as it's published. The crucial problem that both McGilchrist & Kingsley are right about is the systemic social problems which come from ignoring our subtle intuitive humane impulses for the souless technological denaturing of our world.
I'm about to start with Kingsley's work as well. Have you read Anne Baring's book 'The dream of the cosmos?' I've been reading that one while I was also reading 'The master and his emissary.' To have read them both at the same time was absolutely mindblowing.
@@alexanderdenheijer565 Yes, I'm familiar with _The Dream of the Cosmos._ I agree it would be a bit much to attempt both magnum opus [Oops, seems the correct plural of magnum opus is magna opera. Very weird. Although magnum opuses is also an acceptable & less pretentious alternative. Ain't correct writing sometimes a real bitch?] :) at the same time. It's great that there are still those who think and read. We need more like you!
I'm reading Catafalque right now. I never read Jung systematically. But it was easy to sense there was more going on with him than many of the superficial interpretations would allow for.
Why the musical intrusions ?
C. G. Jung once met a native American chief. The chief told him that Western man was doomed because he would always concentrate on one point. Now I understand what he meant.
38:13 Inconspicuous book recommendations. I'm already eyeing The Complementary Nature of Reality by Peter Barab. ;)
When he said that he is at the end of life and there is so much he can do so .. for some unkniwn reason that broke me and made me feel lonely for a moment. We will continue the spirit of enquiry.
Elevating inchoate intuition into an express theory (in some kind of public language) is the greatest artistic challenge that I know of. In my case, the public language was the language of mathematics and computer simulations. But it can be any artistic language that one is competent in expressing. More commonly, the public language can be stories or games or puzzles or tangible works of art including the musical theatre.
@RakeRocter~ Far be it from me to usufruct such tumid balderdash.
Sometimes Iatrogenic Treatments turn out to be Just What the Doctor Ordered.
Tell us more.
Brilliant
Excellent interviewer
The music is unnecessary and distracting.
Listening to this just as the world we have created is slowly grinding to a halt due to the virus. We are certainly being challenged about the value of that world we thought safe and permanent.
How about a strobe light to add to the Glastonbury crystal shop music. Interesting conversation suffices!
Dude why the hell do you have that horrible noise playing at random intervals
Yes, I found it very distracting too. But the clips of the scenery etc of Skye were breathtaking.
A feeling for something, Intuition it's very powerful and can be subtlety steered by some reason, a creative judgement.
That was just great. Thank you very much. I disliked the moving camera during the interview footage. I found it unnecessary and distracting. That said, I'm going to watch it again.
I address this comment to mr. Ian: Hello Ian McGilchrist, I've came to get to know you just recently and I can say I found a friend in you. I thank you for your passionate work that inspires me too. I listen to this video with great interest and try not to skip any notion or message you are sending. However there is one thing, that bothers me a bit. You say 'intuition can be wrong'. I find this incorrect, because intuition is a 'link' to life's intelligence, that can never be wrong (or right as a matter a fact), it just is what it is, a path to will of Life itself. The 'wrongness' appears, when we judge it and compare it to what we think should or shouldn't happen or how. I say the wrongness happens when intuition is interferred with what we think about the matter, we pollute it with subjectivity. If we learn how to not interfere with it, it'is always the best possible option to take in any situation. Ofcourse this is kind of mastery that awaits us all, some paths you've already mentioned... meditation, spending quality time in nature, nurture relationships and above all reset our meaning, values and goals,... .. I believe this isn't a small thing to be mistaken at, how can I trust it if it doesn't work? With gratitude and respect... Marjeta Šumrada, Slovenia
Hi Marjeta, I think, Iain just wants to emphasize, that intuition is not "everything", especially in science. Inuition can lead you to a good idea, but still has to be confirmed by what the left hemisphere can contribute . Intution and analytical thinking need to work together. That's his point, I suppose.
I tend to think intuition is when we have a thought that lacks the self referential aspect or egoic formation around it. People will say they wrestled for days and then came to a decision, thats got to have within it a very strong sense of separation and individuality. In the book of five rings the Samurai master when talking about why he always defeats his rivals says others make decisions i simply cut or words to that affect.
@eric haase I'm always intriged by people who dwelve into mystic dimension of human exsistance, of which intuition is the gratest of all. To me intuition is a link to devine, to iternal..., it leads to completion of one's jurney into Oneness (if you listen and follow). This is a given tool we all inhibit. It's recognized by yearning, longing to get home again.
The problem arise, when one wants things of this temporary living place called Earth and forgets or denies to expand awarness of his true spiritual nature, for Life is a Force not matter as this video beautifully emphasizes. So the problem is identification with something, that doesn't really exist in Life... with body, with thought trapped in this place and time, with Earthly knowledge, ambitions and goals..., so that intuition gets suffocated, overwritten, unheard, complitely ignored by choice, for we are free and possess all tools to recognize true from false.
So as mystyc would say... the quietness of the mind..., the liberation from human thought trapped in matter.. is the door to hear intuition without possibility of a mistake. This liberation could be something like: 'I (as ego) don't do anything, everything Life does by intesf, no interference from 'partial thought' or the mastery of non-doing'. I don't think how things should or shouldn't be, I don't force anything into exsistance and I don't block anything from happennig just because I think, like, want so, you see... I hope this answer gives you some satisfaction, Marjeta
I agree with Iain, intuition- in the sense of a vague but persistent feeling about something, can be wrong, too!
It can lead to false convictions and delusions - hypochondria can develop from a strong fear of being ill that you may translate to yourself as an intuition- as an example.
Those people who insist that intuition cannot be other than trustworthy because somehow it connects us to the divine, I just want to warn you that the fact that something comes from the supernatural does not mean that it is trustworthy. Many very powerful forces, entities in the supernatural have the intention of deluding and confusing people. Naivety is a perfect way for them to mislead somebody.
In the face of what is happening now the words could not be more present.
Music, stop until vocals end. Beautiful
Does anyone know which study he is reffereing to @18:50
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I write poetry in English, I would love yo send one to Dr. Mc Gilchrist. My everyday language is spanish. Does anybody knows where can I send him one of my poems
Just because you are being logical, does not necessarily mean that you are being rational.
This is because logic only works in a specific frame (embodied or assumptions), and to be rational also requires being aware of and influence on the choice of frame.
The moment a particle is a wave; it has to be a conscious wave! Gravity is the conscious attraction among waves to create the illusion of particles, and our experience-able Universe. Max Planck states "Consciousness is fundamental and matter is derived from Consciousness". Life is the Infinite Consciousness, experiencing the Infinite Possibilities, Infinitely. We are "It", experiencing our infinite possibilities in our finite moment. Our job is to make it interesting!
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Ramachandran focused on right hemisphere damage.
CAN I GET RIDE OF THE BACKGROUND MUSIC
The treacherous ocean has forsworn its wiles
Why the irritating background music? So distracting!
Why is the background music the same volume as the talking? Baffling
@@Nick_fb perhaps to keep my mind from being too tightly focused on 'getting' the literal meaning, but by following partly the rather aimless meanderings allows my brain to intuitively take in more of what lies behind the literal meaning. Otherwise it seems like gentle aural interference.
Liked it.
Possibly trying to get a balanced right brain, left brain experience so the bigger ideas can be taken in. In films particularly, there is a lot of music in the background, and also ballets, operas. And most of us go through the day with some sort of soundtrack, but perhaps with different purposes, such as to tune out, to soothe, to stimulate.It’s an interesting phenomenon to think about.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET RID OF THE FOR ME DISTRACTING AND VERY ANNOYING AND TOTALLY UNNEEDED BACKGROUND MUSIC?
Interesting with mathematics, imagine the maths involved for a dog catching a ball, or a bird flying through a forest. Is it instinctive?
Drowning in a sea of management speak. Time to surface.
STOP SAYING YEAH
Relative to what again
Yeah take a bloody risk, live. I'm dogged by these people, funders, bums on seats merchant's etc.
Great stuff-McGilchrist is always on point-but my God, the music is so pointless and annoying. I don’t need to feel like I’m in a new age massage parlor while listening to a conversation.
You people who can't ignore the music, what side of your brain do you think might raise such objection?
Hes going to regret disclosing his location when the "ultimate" wilderness pillocks turn up in droves with their drones.
Matter is in no way a relative matter. Matter does not exist.
E=mc2
Therefor mass/matter is how just an expression of energy divided by the speed of light squared
Or matter is energy perceived in a more dense context
Reducto in absurdium.
The pedant's friend.
Viva la left-hemisphere dominance. Haahaha !
Incest is relative
Bloody annoying 'music'!
I've read twice McGilchrist's "The Master and His Emissary" and his essay "The Divided Brain and the Search for Meaning" which I favorably reviewed on Amazon and on my website. I've viewed many of his talks and interviews online and consider his findings to be of the greatest importance. Here however he expresses his problem with political liberals and their imposing "political correctness" on society; supposedly being intolerant of conservative views. I'd posted here before that I think his characterization of liberals is biased and in contrast to his writings and added that I am seeing a growing intolerance, hostility or scapegoating even, of so called liberals. So you deleted the post. Wasn't politically correct I gather.
Leslie Taylor - he is doing none of that! Maybe you are recognising some phenomena in the political arena that he is describing here in terms of how the different hemispheres tend to function and what happens when the left side of the brain takes over. He never condemns either way of seeing the world because he can see that we need both attitudes. He never gets into political debates, he is much wiser than that! ..... maybe you have fixated on politics and power, so you see it everywhere and now that your target is there, you cannot let go. This is a left-brain way of functioning as he explains ( and left here means physical orientation and not politics). The right brain would be able to see the bigger picture, the context, the complexity of everything in life, including people, society.... and yes, even politics!
When you face north the east is on the Right. Consider this when reading your King James Bible.
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