Shouldnt you be aiming for 2V at each plate? So if input is 12V in then there should be 5 plates between the - and + live plates? Also there should not be two live plates beside each other? If you fix that it might get you to 200W/L
it is 2V per plate as you have 4 neutral plates between 2 charged plates leading to the voltage divider rule which allows for a nice 2V per plate. A rule of thumb is plate number = 1/2 of voltage input. so 12V = 6 plates and 24V = 12 plates and so on.
1. I just went and asked our engineer. They said that the hydrogen generator has a fixed positive and negative pole and is not suitable for AC power. The AC will constantly change the positive and negative terminals. 2.Did you say rubber ring? His diameter is 103mm.
Due to the principle of operation, it is difficult to separate hydrogen and oxygen directly in an alkaline electrolyzer. It may be necessary to separate the HHO gas in the outgoing HHO gas by means of special components or processes.
@@senzahydrogen you can seperate it if you have a porous cloth between each plate stack along with half gaskets to act as feed lines for each compartment then have common input for water and 2 inputs for gases where half gaskets and full gaskets sit between the membranes and plates to have alternating output for each respective chamber. This however requires feed pressure and decent flow rate in order to accomplish seperation of product and the pressure, flow rate and input/output cross section needs to be fine tuned to prevent diffusion of microbubbles of H2 through the porous barriers. So yes you can seperate the gases with an alkaline electrolyzer and this is known as a pressurized alkaline electrolyzer. The H2 and O2 microbubble laden water enters 2 holding tanks that meet at the bottom with a pipe and a pump to re feed it into the cell.
use a pressurized alkaline electrolyzer design with half gaskets and full gaskets between each porous seperator to allow for seperate output per chamber. Remember to note the polarity used as reversing it will alternate the products produced per output line.
use a heat exchanger to remove the heat dumped into the water. A general rule is heat produced = 1/2 of input assuming 50% efficiency the rest goes into heat so if you put 12V at 50A for instance you have 600W of input so 300W of cooling required for the water to not overheat or boil imagine having a 300W water heater device basically.
"Alkaline" is a word used to describe the property of a substance that can dissolve in water and make the pH of the solution greater than 7. In our daily life, some common alkaline substances include detergents, baking soda, and even handmade soap. In an alkaline hydrogen generator, "alkaline" refers to using an alkaline solution (such as sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide) to help decompose water and produce hydrogen gas. This is an efficient method because an alkaline environment can electrolyze water at a lower voltage. You can check this senzahydrogen.com/what-is-hydrogen-electrolyzer.html
Firstly, I would not recommend that you use the gas produced by alkaline hydrogen generator for use in your car. This will cause the corrosive alkaline mist to damage the car engine. Secondly the amount of HHO gas going into the car needs to be determined by the displacement and model of your engine. You can refer to this article.senzahydrogen.com/more-hydrogen.html
It's just a device that produces hydrogen. If you need to generate energy from hydrogen, then you need a hydrogen fuel cell. You can check out the video below:ua-cam.com/video/4MNNnucoc-Y/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/aNDlccOlJYA/v-deo.html
Energy conversion efficiency with hydrogen fuel cells is roughly 60-80%. Of course you could go for the simpler option and let the hydrogen burn directly to produce heat. Just like with gas.😄
great video for pilot scale setups but you cannot or should not scale this up to industrial levels eg 1000A as those levels of oxyhydrogen increase the probability of things going wrong. Thus for scale up you need a pressurized alkaline electrolyzer with porous seperators to seperate H2 and O2 at the cost of some efficiency due to added resistance but still less expensive than membrane electrolysis.
You're right. This is more of an experimental model to demonstrate a small alkaline hydrogen electrolyzer. For industrialization, more things would need to be considered, such as safety, maintainability, cost, etc.
@@johnhidrogenius4302 Нет. Потому что прокладка мягкая. Она может быть сжата. Толщина листа нержавеющей стали зависит от количества производимого водорода. Можно также сказать, что это зависит от величины тока. Чем толще лист нержавеющей стали, тем больший ток он может выдержать и тем дольше срок его службы.
@@senzahydrogen кстати есть единственный полимер который проводит ток -полианилин ,вы не пробовали его в качестве твердого электролита,правда он токсичен
I want to use this for Drinking Hydrogen water, with no Chloride being produced, I have no Idea if this is safe to Drink as Hydrogen Oxygenated hopefully if this unit can't do what I need u have another Hydrogen Kit that would Suffice thank u anyway, what u did is Fantastic Ps where can I buy this set up or kit
This alkaline hydrogen generator requires the addition of strong alkalis such as NaOH or KOH. This will cause the final product to produce chlorides, which is not safe. Unless you add a purification module at the end. However, I would recommend you use a PEM hydrogen generator. It only uses pure water for electrolysis, and the only by-products are hydrogen, oxygen, and some water vapor. This is much safer. You can visit our website at senzahydrogen.com/products/pem-hydrogen-generator to choose a suitable PEM hydrogen generator for you. Or you can email us directly at service@senzahydrogen.com.
those numbers are wrong because you are forgetting about 50% efficiency so only 300W is used for actual H2 production not 600W. The only way to increase efficiency is to use better electrodes ideally a nickel cathode as it has a lower H2 evolution potential than steel. Alkaline conditions also raise H2 evolution potential which leads to more losses but acidic conditions require exotic electrodes like Ir-Ta as your anode and Pt as your cathode. That setup has greater efficiency than this around 85% instead of 50% but as you can tell its not economically viable. This is why methane steam reforming is still the main way to produce hydrogen though japanese researchers are trying for radiolysis due to the huge excess of energy surplus used. I suggest using nickel plated electrodes in your cell to atleast bump up efficiency by a tiny bit or just put more POWER!!. and use the heat produced in some other process that requires preheating coils.
@@CatboyChemicalSociety I don't get how could changing the electrodes would boost the efficiency that much, I know that changing it would lower the electrical resistance and element the corrosion. Would It do more than this? Do you have any papers on this topic please?
@@محمد-ث4ص6ه look up Hydrogen evolution potential of different metals and you can see that nickel is nearer to Pt than iron meaning at same voltage it has more current density.
Hydrogen generators require electricity to generate hydrogen. Motorbike gasoline is needed to burn to generate electricity to produce hydrogen. The hydrogen is mixed with petrol to burn it, which effectively increases the burning efficiency of petrol. But you cannot run a motorbike with just a hydrogen generator. Alternatively you can prepare the hydrogen in advance and fill the vehicle with hydrogen bottles. Then use a hydrogen fuel cell to convert the hydrogen into electricity to power the electric vehicle. But the safety of this needs to be further proven.
Смотрю на электролизеры на бидистиляте с твердым электролитом и понять не могу ,зачем влезать дорогую технологию при таком маленьком выходе газа ,если можна на электролите получать 2 литра при 280 ватах на простой,надежной ,долговечной дешевой конструкции
Каждая технология имеет свои преимущества. Электролитические ячейки pem имеют небольшие размеры и быстрое время запуска, отсутствие коррозийных газов и пятен ржавчины в результате электролиза. Он подходит для производства водорода в транспортных средствах и солнечной ветровой энергии, а также для медицинского оборудования.
@@senzahydrogen в качестве ингаляций в медицине согласен ,но ставить в авто с выходом газа 0.3 л в минуту?даже не знаю целесообразно ли это Я эксплуатировал на автомобиле электролизер - биполяр на 13 электродоа с 0.5 л в минуту,но решил его отбросить и сделать экономичный с выходом на 2 литра в минуту ,этот будет в самый раз
@@johnhidrogenius4302 Это действительно зависит от рабочего объема вашего двигателя. Это не тот случай, когда больше водорода - лучше, для этого есть оптимальное решение.
This produces indeed hho gas, which also requires the oxygen to be separated out. If you are using the pem technique, then you can produce pure hydrogen directly.ua-cam.com/video/jsFWKGr71XI/v-deo.html
Excellently executed.
thanks
So it has 3 neutral plates in between connections wich gives 4 gaps so it gives 3v for each plate?
Great! One question, how is the hydrogen output different from the oxygen output if all electrodes are in the same chamber?
It isn't different. Comes out as Oxyhydrogen.
Shouldnt you be aiming for 2V at each plate? So if input is 12V in then there should be 5 plates between the - and + live plates?
Also there should not be two live plates beside each other? If you fix that it might get you to 200W/L
it is 2V per plate as you have 4 neutral plates between 2 charged plates leading to the voltage divider rule which allows for a nice 2V per plate. A rule of thumb is plate number = 1/2 of voltage input. so 12V = 6 plates and 24V = 12 plates and so on.
What is the appropriate size for the black strips separating the panels to make a suitable hydrogen cell for the car?
Depends on the displacement of your car's engine. Different displacements require different rates of hydrogen production. More is not always better.
@@senzahydrogen Is it possible to add an alternating current of 2 amps to this cell?
We have not experimented with AC power. We prefer to use DC for our experiments.
@@senzahydrogen What is the size of the circular plastic sheets that separate the panels?
1. I just went and asked our engineer. They said that the hydrogen generator has a fixed positive and negative pole and is not suitable for AC power. The AC will constantly change the positive and negative terminals.
2.Did you say rubber ring? His diameter is 103mm.
Hey what are the pump specifications and the flow rate of electrolyte?
??
hey what material is used for middle deck?
316L ss
Hello Great job 🙂
Thanks
How can ı seperate oxygen and hydrogen for alkalin electrolyzer.
Due to the principle of operation, it is difficult to separate hydrogen and oxygen directly in an alkaline electrolyzer. It may be necessary to separate the HHO gas in the outgoing HHO gas by means of special components or processes.
@@senzahydrogen you can seperate it if you have a porous cloth between each plate stack along with half gaskets to act as feed lines for each compartment then have common input for water and 2 inputs for gases where half gaskets and full gaskets sit between the membranes and plates to have alternating output for each respective chamber.
This however requires feed pressure and decent flow rate in order to accomplish seperation of product and the pressure, flow rate and input/output cross section needs to be fine tuned to prevent diffusion of microbubbles of H2 through the porous barriers. So yes you can seperate the gases with an alkaline electrolyzer and this is known as a pressurized alkaline electrolyzer. The H2 and O2 microbubble laden water enters 2 holding tanks that meet at the bottom with a pipe and a pump to re feed it into the cell.
use a pressurized alkaline electrolyzer design with half gaskets and full gaskets between each porous seperator to allow for seperate output per chamber. Remember to note the polarity used as reversing it will alternate the products produced per output line.
thanks, I'm trying to make one but it's hot. How can we reduce the heat?
You need a transformer with constant current and constant voltage.
use a heat exchanger to remove the heat dumped into the water. A general rule is heat produced = 1/2 of input assuming 50% efficiency the rest goes into heat so if you put 12V at 50A for instance you have 600W of input so 300W of cooling required for the water to not overheat or boil imagine having a 300W water heater device basically.
What is Alkaline?
"Alkaline" is a word used to describe the property of a substance that can dissolve in water and make the pH of the solution greater than 7. In our daily life, some common alkaline substances include detergents, baking soda, and even handmade soap. In an alkaline hydrogen generator, "alkaline" refers to using an alkaline solution (such as sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide) to help decompose water and produce hydrogen gas. This is an efficient method because an alkaline environment can electrolyze water at a lower voltage.
You can check this senzahydrogen.com/what-is-hydrogen-electrolyzer.html
Middle deck ??explain
How much gas do we need to run a car ?
Firstly, I would not recommend that you use the gas produced by alkaline hydrogen generator for use in your car. This will cause the corrosive alkaline mist to damage the car engine. Secondly the amount of HHO gas going into the car needs to be determined by the displacement and model of your engine. You can refer to this article.senzahydrogen.com/more-hydrogen.html
how can i use this to make energy from hydrogen?
It's just a device that produces hydrogen. If you need to generate energy from hydrogen, then you need a hydrogen fuel cell. You can check out the video below:ua-cam.com/video/4MNNnucoc-Y/v-deo.html
and
ua-cam.com/video/aNDlccOlJYA/v-deo.html
Energy conversion efficiency with hydrogen fuel cells is roughly 60-80%. Of course you could go for the simpler option and let the hydrogen burn directly to produce heat. Just like with gas.😄
Materials of electrode and middle deck same
great video for pilot scale setups but you cannot or should not scale this up to industrial levels eg 1000A as those levels of oxyhydrogen increase the probability of things going wrong. Thus for scale up you need a pressurized alkaline electrolyzer with porous seperators to seperate H2 and O2 at the cost of some efficiency due to added resistance but still less expensive than membrane electrolysis.
You're right. This is more of an experimental model to demonstrate a small alkaline hydrogen electrolyzer. For industrialization, more things would need to be considered, such as safety, maintainability, cost, etc.
@@senzahydrogen still good enough for glass blowing torch feed
Прокладкп 0.3 мм ,а толщина электрода какаая ?
1 мм или 2 мм?
Толщина листа нержавеющей стали составляет 1,5 мм
@@senzahydrogen спасибо
1.5 мм потому что при 1 мм тяжело выдержать зазор в 0.3 мм?
@@johnhidrogenius4302 Нет. Потому что прокладка мягкая. Она может быть сжата. Толщина листа нержавеющей стали зависит от количества производимого водорода. Можно также сказать, что это зависит от величины тока. Чем толще лист нержавеющей стали, тем больший ток он может выдержать и тем дольше срок его службы.
@@senzahydrogen да верно ,чем толще электрод тем меньше его сопротивление,тем больше тока при малом напряжении зайдет в него
@@senzahydrogen кстати есть единственный полимер который проводит ток -полианилин ,вы не пробовали его в качестве твердого электролита,правда он токсичен
I want to use this for Drinking Hydrogen water, with no Chloride being produced, I have no Idea if this is safe to Drink as Hydrogen Oxygenated hopefully if this unit can't do what I need u have another Hydrogen Kit that would Suffice thank u anyway, what u did is Fantastic
Ps where can I buy this set up or kit
This alkaline hydrogen generator requires the addition of strong alkalis such as NaOH or KOH. This will cause the final product to produce chlorides, which is not safe. Unless you add a purification module at the end. However, I would recommend you use a PEM hydrogen generator. It only uses pure water for electrolysis, and the only by-products are hydrogen, oxygen, and some water vapor. This is much safer. You can visit our website at senzahydrogen.com/products/pem-hydrogen-generator to choose a suitable PEM hydrogen generator for you. Or you can email us directly at service@senzahydrogen.com.
Great1 But you can ditch the background music.
Thanks for your suggestion, we will improve it in the next video.
12V*50A=600W for only 2LPM (very low production), normally between 180~200W/L
Did you make your own unit or buy one? If you did build one, would you be interested in sharing how you did it?
those numbers are wrong because you are forgetting about 50% efficiency so only 300W is used for actual H2 production not 600W. The only way to increase efficiency is to use better electrodes ideally a nickel cathode as it has a lower H2 evolution potential than steel. Alkaline conditions also raise H2 evolution potential which leads to more losses but acidic conditions require exotic electrodes like Ir-Ta as your anode and Pt as your cathode. That setup has greater efficiency than this around 85% instead of 50% but as you can tell its not economically viable. This is why methane steam reforming is still the main way to produce hydrogen though japanese researchers are trying for radiolysis due to the huge excess of energy surplus used. I suggest using nickel plated electrodes in your cell to atleast bump up efficiency by a tiny bit or just put more POWER!!. and use the heat produced in some other process that requires preheating coils.
@@CatboyChemicalSociety
I don't get how could changing the electrodes would boost the efficiency that much, I know that changing it would lower the electrical resistance and element the corrosion. Would It do more than this?
Do you have any papers on this topic please?
@@محمد-ث4ص6ه look up Hydrogen evolution potential of different metals and you can see that nickel is nearer to Pt than iron meaning at same voltage it has more current density.
With size like that you can easy run your 250cc motorcycle without need gasoline
Hydrogen generators require electricity to generate hydrogen. Motorbike gasoline is needed to burn to generate electricity to produce hydrogen. The hydrogen is mixed with petrol to burn it, which effectively increases the burning efficiency of petrol. But you cannot run a motorbike with just a hydrogen generator. Alternatively you can prepare the hydrogen in advance and fill the vehicle with hydrogen bottles. Then use a hydrogen fuel cell to convert the hydrogen into electricity to power the electric vehicle. But the safety of this needs to be further proven.
Смотрю на электролизеры на бидистиляте с твердым электролитом и понять не могу ,зачем влезать дорогую технологию при таком маленьком выходе газа ,если можна на электролите получать 2 литра при 280 ватах на простой,надежной ,долговечной дешевой конструкции
Каждая технология имеет свои преимущества. Электролитические ячейки pem имеют небольшие размеры и быстрое время запуска, отсутствие коррозийных газов и пятен ржавчины в результате электролиза. Он подходит для производства водорода в транспортных средствах и солнечной ветровой энергии, а также для медицинского оборудования.
@@senzahydrogen в качестве ингаляций в медицине согласен ,но ставить в авто с выходом газа 0.3 л в минуту?даже не знаю целесообразно ли это
Я эксплуатировал на автомобиле электролизер - биполяр на 13 электродоа с 0.5 л в минуту,но решил его отбросить и сделать экономичный с выходом на 2 литра в минуту ,этот будет в самый раз
@@johnhidrogenius4302 Это действительно зависит от рабочего объема вашего двигателя. Это не тот случай, когда больше водорода - лучше, для этого есть оптимальное решение.
@@senzahydrogen я слышал ,что делается эмуляция датчиков и круг лучше сгорает ,бедная смесь и нужно добавить топливо разрывается
@@johnhidrogenius4302 Мы сдали анализы.senzahydrogen.com/hho-car-kit-test.html
50AMPS? YOU LOST YOUR MIND!!!!!!
Volt y amp
Current : 50A
Voltage : 12V
@@senzahydrogen 300w/lts
that's a browns gas or HHO generator not an alkaline hydrogen generator
This produces indeed hho gas, which also requires the oxygen to be separated out. If you are using the pem technique, then you can produce pure hydrogen directly.ua-cam.com/video/jsFWKGr71XI/v-deo.html
@@senzahydrogen What is the difference and which one do you recommend to use in vehicles? thank you
@@dariodiaz1680 PEM hydrogen generator，Higher efficiency, lower energy consumption, no corrosiveness