Scooters Can Be Dangerous - Why This Safety Feature Needs To Go Away
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- The combined braking system that comes equipped on some scooters is supposed to be a safety feature. But in some riding scenarios it can actually cause you to crash. In this video I talk about the danders of combines braking systems.
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ABS should be standard across all bikes now. They need to make combined braking system/linked brakes illegal.
Ridding a scooter "in the dirt"...BAD... ridding with ONE glove only ...BAD...scooter...BAD😂😂😂
Quasi was riding in the dirt because it’s part of the course for the scooter cannonball. It’s supposed to be challenging.
I have to completely agree. So many safety features are taking for granted that the operator doesn't know what they're doing. The collision detection beeps because the people who made it assume the driver of the car will be looking at their phone instead of the road, else they realize how much time the infotainment system takes attention from the road (if you can't tell, I hate those things lol). Blind spot lights on mirror ends alert people who don't want to turn their heads and look. The list goes on and on and on.
I keep realizing people stopped considering driving any vehicle as a skill. It's taken for granted, it's considered easy enough to ignore developing correct operation. I keep naysaying myself, but sometimes I think it could be worth while to be yet another person on the UA-cam front showing videos of out-right bad driving as examples, and trying to show things like how to do it properly when I can. But then, who wants to keep seeing dash cam footage from the same dude, going over the same stuff again and again lol
I love quasimotards content. I bought the ADV150 because of his review and your content. Now I have about 5k on it. Such a great gas sipping comfortable cruiser.
Also the auto start stop feature is pretty bad in scoots. On a bike if u press the clutch the bike will start automatically but on a scoot there's no clutch so when ever you twist the throttle (even not intentionally) the scoot will start and if you twist even more, good luck!!
This exact thing happened when I was at a dealership someone was checking out a scooter. So the guy tried to take the scooter down from it's main stand by grabbing the handlebars, as he proceeded he somehow twisted the throttle a little and the scooter started and pulled itself forward which resulted the throttle to be more twisted and as you would expect the whole thing resulted in a broken fairing, the guy broke his hand and some glass window of the dealership was also gone.
Yea that sounds really wreckless and should really never happen, I guessing that fellow wasn't familiar with scooters, and cvts, and must be very accustomed to regular manual motorcycle.
One day we will have to go back to old school totally manual because driving skills need to be developed to drive. Otherwise, just go all the way and make vehicles driverless.
Hands and face slapping the ground. I see guys riding every day with no gloves.
Not just the combo brakes. Also the inherent twitchy-ness of small scooter wheels, hitting brakes too hard, maybe turning at the same time, being off balance. Perhaps scooters should have steering dampers since any rut or thicker sand will flick the handlebars.
What about a switch to turn it off? They have that for ABS right? How about a "Offroad" switch that turns both off with one switch? 🤔
A fair amount of Baggers/touring machines have linked brakes.
I think u can just undo the dual braking system. Switch out some tubing with nuts and yer done... not sure it works on every scoot though...✌️
I don't think it's manufacturers you have to convince, but rather legislators.
Well organized presentation. I am wiser now. Also I very much liked your ride through the country side.
You're right, without question. I have a Honda Passport '21 that I've turned off every 'safety' feature I can, but occasionally I get what you got in your Maverick, exactly. Not cool. I think the BMW GS 1200 '05 I had back then even had linked braking, honest to Pete. (and that's NOT a scooter🤣)
first thing I do with linked brake scooter is remove or jam the proportioning device altogether, although it is already rear biased.
Learning from my experience riding on a very long downhill slope on a linked brake scoot, you can't really alternate the F/R brake. PLUS the CVT on 150CCs won't give you plenty of engine brake.
So crashing due to overheating brake is a real issue.
IMHO, it is not a safety feature, but rather a convenient feature .
I've ridden a Vespa GTS 300 from UK to Azerbaijan via Cyprus.
I have crossed mountains and many roads I wouldn't have wanted to ride on with an adventure bike.
The Vespa coped brilliantly.
The one thing about scooters is that you think they are easy to ride , but in actuality they need more skill than you assume.
I find my larger bikes easier to ride well than a scooter.
100% agreed that many safety features (not all), can potentially cause crashes rather than prevent them. Honda did away with the linked braking setup on their VFR800 range from 2014 (8th Gen) and that is the bike I have. The only safety features this bike has is traction control and ABS. The linked brake feature is a smart system that works fine on tar roads but as you've very well evidenced in this clip, once the road surface deteriorates, that safety feature is in fact heightening the risk of accident. I agree that manufacturers should STOP adding these features which discourages proper learning and can provide inexperienced riders/ drivers with a false sense of security. Great vid! Excellent points raised. Well done! 👍
I do love this guy he s a man after my own hart just injoys his bike and don't make fun of anyone just loves the ride .like me.❤
been as no ones mentioned it yet luinked breaks actual name is CBS or combined breaks and its a legal requirement to have in the EU since the euro 5 standard along with always on headlights
CBS is nice for city/town riding but poor surface yeah its horrific as you have to rely on engine breaking which ive had cause my bike to start skipping before
So glad my 2024 adv does not do that, had me out in the garage checking 😂
Yeah, I watch Quasi a lot. The man is a bundle of knowledge and his travel videos are top notch.
We have them in our tracker trailers. It’s a pain in the arse at times.
Did not know this...thanks for the info!
I hate combined brakes. In the disabled rider community, people are consistently putting combined brakes on everything.I tried it, nope. Works ok on a trike I guess, but I want nothing to do with it on my bikes. Gravel on pavement is slick. In a normal day of riding I hit gravel on pavement more times than I can count. Many of which is at stop signs. I need the ability to stop using only the rear brake all the time. Otherwise I have no choice but run a stop sign or skid the front. I need the abilitty to let go of the front brake an skid the rear when some farm truck has spilled fresh gravel at a stop sign. Same with grass. I usually ride on sundays when a lot of people mow. 99% of the time its not a problem. But that one time you need to slow down on that stuff, its nice to have a rear brake only option.
I’m not a fan of any ‘rider aids’ unless they can be switched off. Except for ABS, and even then I only want it on the front brake.
@@GasWorksISO ABS can be switched off by releasing the brakes an reapplying them quickly. The system is programmed to assume a system failure an shut itself off if you pump the brakes after activation. Safety feature built in to a safety feature. Cars are programmed that way anyway. I assume bikes are too, but I have never owned an ABS bike to test. I played around a lot with it though in my truck after taking the class on it in college.
Quality Sunday night viewing again 👍🏻 and two videos this weekend!!! Cheers from the uk 👍🏻👍🏻
Cheap bikes that don't have ABS have this CBS thing - combined braking system -> which is probably the same linked braking system you're talking about..
So unfortunately it's ever so present .. Rider is still responsible for the technique.
I always thought combined breaking systems were a poor man’s abs
I do follow Quasimotard and I agree with what you're saying, but I believe Quasi was riding an older Honda PCX 150. I don't think it has combined braking.
He has said it does have combined braking.
@@GasWorksISO Sorry, I missed that. So, does the ADV150/160 have linked brakes as well?
It does not.
Great info, many thanks👍🇬🇧
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You have a typo in your video description😉
😅 oh well.
@@GasWorksISO you can edit it in UA-cam studio without deleting the video 😉
I watched the video and my only thought is that they were riding way too fast for the situation. Any braking system, even the best ABS will not help much if you are exceeding the amount of grip available to the tires. I'm not sure what a scooter is even doing on a back road of dirt, rocks and loose gravel anyway..... Don't blame the manufacturer.
Those scoots are made for those kinda roads…operator error
I've been in that exact situation a few times. The answer? Don't brake hard on gravel. Especially on a tabletop loaded with marbles. Don't penalize everyone because you screwed up. There's nothing wrong with combined braking - it saved me on many occasions.
And I for one don't appreciate you putting down scooter riders. Next you'll be moaning about not having a clutch.
I’m riding a scooter in the video….
Stop calling a scooter a motorcycle. Also it was pathetic when he said, "get this bike off my leg" . As if simply moving wouldn't release his leg. Lol. It's a scooter. It weighs only 200lbs. If you can't get out from that go sit on a couch somewhere to stay safe.
How’s it going “brother”?
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