Yes indeed. It's too bad that they didn't stick around long enough to make more artistic geniusness when Wilbert's son Christopher took over as author to write out _his_ tenure stories for the continuation of the series.
A funny background detail, in the last illustration, Toby's shed is still in view. Mavis was stuck RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, and he still had to be essentially blackmailed to help her.
I do too. I thought this is an illustration error back when I first read it. But after Unlucky Tug explained its significance, I couldn’t help but chuckle. To think that Toby was quite literally 100 yards away and yet he willingly chose to sit on the sidelines, watching her fail fantastically. Just goes to show that Toby really don’t give no f***s 😅
@@jaanshersaeed4541As do I, verily 😁 It just astounds me how of totally cool agent of chaos Toby really is. And impressive how Wilbert Awdry's photography of the real railways he went to have the illustrators base the storybook pictures off to make 'em look like the events actually happened. In which case where an actual diesel shunter locomotive like Mavis got its train stuck at a level crossing in winter weather, and that where a nearby actual steam tram locomotive like Toby sat in a shed, directly right in front of the diesel, only from a football field meter distance away.
I like it, but it honestly feels out of character at this point and regresses her character a bit, I prefer Diesel being the one to plant this seed of doubt
For those of you wondering why Diesel takes the place of Daisy in the TV Series adaptation of this episode, it's because Daisy's model was troublesome to work with. Now that the TV Series is done in CGi, it justifies why Daisy is more prominently featured in that era.
Apparently, the US audience was unhappy with Daisy's appearance as she looked too feminine with too much makeup and long eyelashes. We know that this was done because she used the same face masks as BoCo.
@@gregkiteos1936 Rick Sigglekow, one of the producers of Shining Time Station certainly thought the same thing. He didn't particularly like her episodes due to her being lazy and stubborn, which was why "Daisy" and "Percy's Predicament" were never broadcast on STS, neither during the Ringo Starr era nor the George Carlin era. (Carlin's narrations were, however, released commercially on the "Daisy and Other Thomas Stories" VHS tape in 1993, which was re-issued on DVD in 2008 under the title "Percy Takes the Plunge".) The only episode featuring Daisy that was allowed to air on STS (specifically, the short-lived "Mr. Conductor's Thomas Tales" spin-off) was Season 4's "Bull's Eyes", because by then, Sigglekow was less involved with the show.
@@FlyingDuckMan360 That's the fella I was thinking of. I first heard about it earlier this year when the behind the scenes footage of series 3 appeared online.
At the station Diesel oiled up to her. Diesel scented trouble and was delighted. "How absurd" squirmed Diesel. "Depend on it Mavis anything steam engines can do we diesels can do better. " Diesel knew nothing about trucks but Mavis didn't realize this.
From my perspective, it look like he was a mere football field distance from her. Which I think is what 100 yards is. (I'm not a mathematician, so I don't know).
love this story, toby is a savage. also for some reason I frogot this took place in winter and just assumed the dip just was really slippy all the time, and in my series I made this take place in summer. that was dumb
Man, I wish Wilbert was alive and woulda lived much longer to do more of this fantastic series of book stories he created. I wanted to see how far greater all of the characters' arcs would achieve to make 'em meaningful and purposely attached to what the generations of youngstas will relate to and the grown folk will become simmering into their old stages of life. I especially wanted to see how much of a total agent of chaos Toby had've been if it weren't for frickin' HiT Entertainment that dismantled him to start with, thus Mattel completely ruining EVERYTHING that led the whole show to its cancelation. Rest In Peace to the endeavoring Wilbert Awdry for ever creating such a remarkable and commemorative franchise that sparked a flame throughout the world, from his books to the O.G. TV show (created by a woman) that made my childhood something to idolize on. If anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, can make a series of real-life worldbuilding inspiration, that dream can always come true and be defined and lived as a legacy, no matter who the person - man or woman.
I always thought that was another diesel next to Daisy into the shed. Plus when I first got this book I wondered why Daisy was in it and not Diesel, I saw the episode before the book
"sigh" ho boy here we go....I'm really getting tired of arguments over minor differences between book and episode. If you're gonna do stuff like this, do it in PMs, if you please....Thank you
I wish they would stop comparing the TV series and the Railway series too. I prefer the Railway series, but I wish people wouldn't be so hard on Britt or Andrew.
The thing is, a lot of other companies wouldn't have even put the same effort as Britt did (imagine if HiT got it from the get-go, hell imagine if Disney got hold of it). She did take liberties, but the aim was entertain kids first, not him. He was famed for his attention to detail but that led to him being very short with people he worked with and cost him business (eg. his first illustrator, Britt and Mitton also drifted away from his books shortly after he made scaving remarks to them).
I didn't notice that til I read along the story time and time again. I've completely forgot that there were anthropomorphic vehicles in the series too. I swear, the Railway Series just gets better and better the more you dig a lil' deeper into it, but that's just only throughout Wilbert Awdry's tenure part as the author.
Shining Time Station co-creator was hesitant to use Daisy as he disliked her face design being depicted as “a female stereotype” in the US in late 1980s to early 1990s
This metaphoric story was probably written to coincide with the Second wave Feminism that was happening around the time. I mean, you have Toby, who is a Steam Tram (Man) and Mavis and Daisy who are Diesels (Women), the latter thinking they can do things better than men without any help from them, only to make a right mess.
0:30 she's painted black and is rebellious, if Mattel *really* cared about diversity she'd be a goth by now. If that annoys you I'll hop onto Photoshop and make Goth Mavis.
@TheNo1andres Britt Was a great writer. This wasn't a series for Wilbert Awdry's own personal pleasure. It was a kid show! she did not destroy Thomas! She started the wonderful series and the HIT destroyed it! Few episodes were linked because this wasn't 24 or Lost, it was a ages 2-8 show+ anyone for nostalgia! Does it really matter if she "chandged" Daisy's look?
@dominoesandtin ...continued... In the TV adaptation, it said Diesel knew nothing about trucks. Do you know what Class 08s are? SHUNTING DIESELS!! Shunting trucks is what diesels like him do best! But noooooooo. Britt Allcroft doesn't care about railway accuracies, all she cared about was getting money. The Rev. Awdry said it best when he said she got big headed.
Toby's not a fusspot like that brakevan Bradford is. The engines and I would be glad of Sir Topham Hatt informs Bradford that they only take orders from him
At the time Diesel had become a breakout character that the show really loved using as the shows main antagonist. Daisy on the other hand despite being one of the very few female engines created by Awdry never got any love by the writers which is a shame because she had a lot of potential as the biggest diva on Sodor.
@@Crafty-Cam1992 Diesel’s entire point is that he sucks at doing the one thing he’s supposed to, he was giving bad advice because he never learned sense even after his encounter with Duck
For all the qualities the Reverend Awdry otherwise brought to the fore in his stories, it would be fair to say that he tended to utilise a cliché tactic in storytelling, fairly prominent to this day, where minor-position characters would be less used as a character fuelled by personal motivations and more as a plot/payoff device, in this case the young one gets outshone by his wise experienced senior peer and has to put the latter in trouble before she can be redeemed. Mavis epitomises this. Or you do it the other way round, and the more prominent character is egged on to do something bigger than they can chew and gets their comeuppance, and the minor comes out on top without being driven by a motive distinct to the character, as though there is nothing to them at all aside being young and innocent and indescribably reckless. I've heard all that before. Regards, Samuel Farris.
Probably because Diesel was not featured in Season 3. I must admit that it would have made better sense if Daisy appeared in the episode instead of Diesel.
When I first got the whole railway series book for Christmas when I was 6 I always thought that blue tractor was Terence because I watched the episode before I got the book, and I asked why did the illustrator make Terence blue? Because I we know he's orange. It took me a few years later I found out too notice that that was a different tractor.
I really don't get what you were saying in that last statement of your comment. All I'll say is if Britt Allcroft cared about Thomas, she would have used Daisy. There's no excuse either, as they made a model for her! I don't call you an idiot for the sake of it, I call you an idiot because it is a fact that you are one. I also find it funny that you don't like us "bossing you around" when you take great pleasure in bossing others around. It's like you're a control freak
@dominoesandtin Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, how many more times must I say WRONG!? The Awdrys wanted their stories to be represented as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to his stories, so the kids could RELATE the stories to the series! She destroyed it with inaccuracies, buying the rights, making Series 5 and Thomas and the Magic Railroad. It's because of her that kids these days have NO IDEA what the Railway Series is, who created it and that he died 14 years ago!
Possibly the bad implications of the only two female engines causing trouble, as well as making, what could be considered from their point of view, racist jokes. :P Diesel was already established as a steam-hater, and even more conviniently, is male and as blatantly villainous as they come.
I love Peter and Gunvor Edwards illustrations, they're beyond beautiful!
Yes indeed. It's too bad that they didn't stick around long enough to make more artistic geniusness when Wilbert's son Christopher took over as author to write out _his_ tenure stories for the continuation of the series.
I never noticed Toby in that first illustration until now and it’s actually really funny
I never noticed until you pointed it out
I never noticed it until TUT uploaded The Complete History of Toby
Oh my god he is
A funny background detail, in the last illustration, Toby's shed is still in view. Mavis was stuck RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, and he still had to be essentially blackmailed to help her.
Yeah, Unlucky Tug brought it up and he absolutely loves it
I do too. I thought this is an illustration error back when I first read it. But after Unlucky Tug explained its significance, I couldn’t help but chuckle.
To think that Toby was quite literally 100 yards away and yet he willingly chose to sit on the sidelines, watching her fail fantastically. Just goes to show that Toby really don’t give no f***s 😅
And she can hear his whole conversation, too.
@@jaanshersaeed4541As do I, verily 😁 It just astounds me how of totally cool agent of chaos Toby really is. And impressive how Wilbert Awdry's photography of the real railways he went to have the illustrators base the storybook pictures off to make 'em look like the events actually happened. In which case where an actual diesel shunter locomotive like Mavis got its train stuck at a level crossing in winter weather, and that where a nearby actual steam tram locomotive like Toby sat in a shed, directly right in front of the diesel, only from a football field meter distance away.
@@robertrowley4929Well it is an illustration error tbh, there’s quite a bit of tramway between the lane and sheds.
It’s funny, but it is an error
I had completely forgotten that Daisy was still around after filling in for Thomas. It's been a long time since I last read these.
Christophee1987 just what the tv dopes ordered
A million times better than the TV series adaption, I really like Willie Rushton as narrator, he's the best RWS narrator IMO
and because Diesel's basis was specifically designed to shunt trucks, so it makes no sense that he would know nothing
Well thats why the books are the best to listen to IMO, maybe Paul Larson needs to get out of his Season 8-12 writing and statrt writing classic style
Plus this episode along with Toby's Tightrope should of been made in a mini series between Season 2 and Season 3.
+Michael S. Well he was always shown being rude and disrespectful to the trucks and would always bump them
+Michael S. >:( Don't be vulgar
I love the scene of Mavis and Daisy talking to each other.
"Depend upon it, my dear. Anything steam engines could do, we diesels can do better."
I like it, but it honestly feels out of character at this point and regresses her character a bit, I prefer Diesel being the one to plant this seed of doubt
For those of you wondering why Diesel takes the place of Daisy in the TV Series adaptation of this episode, it's because Daisy's model was troublesome to work with. Now that the TV Series is done in CGi, it justifies why Daisy is more prominently featured in that era.
Ah right, I see. Well, that makes sense.
Apparently, the US audience was unhappy with Daisy's appearance as she looked too feminine with too much makeup and long eyelashes. We know that this was done because she used the same face masks as BoCo.
@@gregkiteos1936 Rick Sigglekow, one of the producers of Shining Time Station certainly thought the same thing. He didn't particularly like her episodes due to her being lazy and stubborn, which was why "Daisy" and "Percy's Predicament" were never broadcast on STS, neither during the Ringo Starr era nor the George Carlin era. (Carlin's narrations were, however, released commercially on the "Daisy and Other Thomas Stories" VHS tape in 1993, which was re-issued on DVD in 2008 under the title "Percy Takes the Plunge".) The only episode featuring Daisy that was allowed to air on STS (specifically, the short-lived "Mr. Conductor's Thomas Tales" spin-off) was Season 4's "Bull's Eyes", because by then, Sigglekow was less involved with the show.
@@FlyingDuckMan360 That's the fella I was thinking of. I first heard about it earlier this year when the behind the scenes footage of series 3 appeared online.
So that explains it, along with her not being in the 3rd season.
How do they depict a diesel to be so cute? It's like she's wearing a little skirt instead of a kilt. I wanna protect her.
Kilt?
@@jaxixteen a ceremonial plaided skirt worn by the Scots.
Yes its like her wheels are her legs and her under carrage is her undies
@@caboose.20 exactly, mavis isn't plaid.
@@johnsplayworld2402 You wouldn't dare.
Love that horn at 0:07. :D
At the station Diesel oiled up to her. Diesel scented trouble and was delighted. "How absurd" squirmed Diesel. "Depend on it Mavis anything steam engines can do we diesels can do better. " Diesel knew nothing about trucks but Mavis didn't realize this.
"How absurd" not "How observe"
@@caboose.20 it's been a long time since I watched and read it.
4:02 to 4:07
Toby WAS right there at Ffarquar sheds about 39.5 feet away from where Mavis is stuck
From my perspective, it look like he was a mere football field distance from her. Which I think is what 100 yards is. (I'm not a mathematician, so I don't know).
That's a good idea, spread hot cinders to melt the frozen mud.
love this story, toby is a savage. also for some reason I frogot this took place in winter and just assumed the dip just was really slippy all the time, and in my series I made this take place in summer. that was dumb
Man, I wish Wilbert was alive and woulda lived much longer to do more of this fantastic series of book stories he created. I wanted to see how far greater all of the characters' arcs would achieve to make 'em meaningful and purposely attached to what the generations of youngstas will relate to and the grown folk will become simmering into their old stages of life. I especially wanted to see how much of a total agent of chaos Toby had've been if it weren't for frickin' HiT Entertainment that dismantled him to start with, thus Mattel completely ruining EVERYTHING that led the whole show to its cancelation.
Rest In Peace to the endeavoring Wilbert Awdry for ever creating such a remarkable and commemorative franchise that sparked a flame throughout the world, from his books to the O.G. TV show (created by a woman) that made my childhood something to idolize on. If anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, can make a series of real-life worldbuilding inspiration, that dream can always come true and be defined and lived as a legacy, no matter who the person - man or woman.
I always thought that was another diesel next to Daisy into the shed. Plus when I first got this book I wondered why Daisy was in it and not Diesel, I saw the episode before the book
So did I.
I wonder why they made annie/clarabel face so low and if it's a different coach, why is the face sk low?
It must have been easier to draw the face lower because of more room to draw it below the windows of the front of the coach.
Because diesel not know much about trucks makes absolutely no sense. He's a shunter while daisy is not. The TV show messed up
"sigh" ho boy here we go....I'm really getting tired of arguments over minor differences between book and episode. If you're gonna do stuff like this, do it in PMs, if you please....Thank you
I wish they would stop comparing the TV series and the Railway series too. I prefer the Railway series, but I wish people wouldn't be so hard on Britt or Andrew.
A lot to learn.
I like the tractors with faces
The thing is, a lot of other companies wouldn't have even put the same effort as Britt did (imagine if HiT got it from the get-go, hell imagine if Disney got hold of it). She did take liberties, but the aim was entertain kids first, not him. He was famed for his attention to detail but that led to him being very short with people he worked with and cost him business (eg. his first illustrator, Britt and Mitton also drifted away from his books shortly after he made scaving remarks to them).
@ThomasPercyandToby2 I agree, It was a perfect opotunity to feature Daisy in series 3 but they made the unknown decision to replace her with Diesel
A foolish decision if you ask me. Daisy is better than Diesel if you ask me.
I love that the blue tractors headlights are his eyed
I didn't notice that til I read along the story time and time again. I've completely forgot that there were anthropomorphic vehicles in the series too. I swear, the Railway Series just gets better and better the more you dig a lil' deeper into it, but that's just only throughout Wilbert Awdry's tenure part as the author.
@@TheAutisticCapricorn811I love that kind of detail too, you can see multiple road veicles throughout the books with faces
Mavis: Fudge!
Well...Considering "Diesel Does it Again"...
railway story daisy tv series desiel
After seeing Daisy in the second illustration i just have to ask this. Why did they switch Daisy with Diesel in the TV series?
Shining Time Station co-creator was hesitant to use Daisy as he disliked her face design being depicted as “a female stereotype” in the US in late 1980s to early 1990s
Mavis Thomas the train is from season 3
This metaphoric story was probably written to coincide with the Second wave Feminism that was happening around the time. I mean, you have Toby, who is a Steam Tram (Man) and Mavis and Daisy who are Diesels (Women), the latter thinking they can do things better than men without any help from them, only to make a right mess.
No it’s just irony that the class Mavis is replaced all the tram engines like Toby in real life
Mavis (1972)
Mavis: Fiddlesticks
Mavis in real life: F***
@@jaxixteen 😆 lol
What a cute diesel
0:30 she's painted black and is rebellious, if Mattel *really* cared about diversity she'd be a goth by now.
If that annoys you I'll hop onto Photoshop and make Goth Mavis.
If Mattel really cared about Thomas in general, it wouldn't be in the dark age it's in now.
@TheNo1andres Britt Was a great writer. This wasn't a series for Wilbert Awdry's own personal pleasure. It was a kid show!
she did not destroy Thomas! She started the wonderful series and the HIT destroyed it! Few episodes were linked because this wasn't 24 or Lost, it was a ages 2-8 show+ anyone for nostalgia! Does it really matter if
she "chandged" Daisy's look?
@dominoesandtin ...continued...
In the TV adaptation, it said Diesel knew nothing about trucks. Do you know what Class 08s are? SHUNTING DIESELS!! Shunting trucks is what diesels like him do best! But noooooooo. Britt Allcroft doesn't care about railway accuracies, all she cared about was getting money. The Rev. Awdry said it best when he said she got big headed.
Stuff and nonsense
Mattel are the ones who only care about money
She probably just thought it was best to use a more well known character
It would be nice if Daisy was the one to tell Mavis (we diesel can do better) in the tv series.
Am I the only person to notice Toby on the cover?
Hannah Barrah
No, i thought it was a van first XD
I always noticed.
No wonder he hates playing 'hunt the truck'. :P
Did Mavis say 'Fudge" ???
Yup
you make me want to eat fudge
Toby's not a fusspot like that brakevan Bradford is. The engines and I would be glad of Sir Topham Hatt informs Bradford that they only take orders from him
0:47 what I replace my bad word rage with
She wanted to say the f word!?!
At least she censored herself 😂
I wonder why in the TV series they replaced Daisy with Diesel.
At the time Diesel had become a breakout character that the show really loved using as the shows main antagonist. Daisy on the other hand despite being one of the very few female engines created by Awdry never got any love by the writers which is a shame because she had a lot of potential as the biggest diva on Sodor.
To be honest it fits him a lot better, I like Daisy’s appearance but her words sound like her development is regressing
@Nic_2751 but diesel is a shunter who would know about trucks. Daisy doesn't
@@Crafty-Cam1992 Diesel’s entire point is that he sucks at doing the one thing he’s supposed to, he was giving bad advice because he never learned sense even after his encounter with Duck
@Nic_2751 it still makes sense for it be daisy. Diesel was already sent away by them
For all the qualities the Reverend Awdry otherwise brought to the fore in his stories, it would be fair to say that he tended to utilise a cliché tactic in storytelling, fairly prominent to this day, where minor-position characters would be less used as a character fuelled by personal motivations and more as a plot/payoff device, in this case the young one gets outshone by his wise experienced senior peer and has to put the latter in trouble before she can be redeemed. Mavis epitomises this. Or you do it the other way round, and the more prominent character is egged on to do something bigger than they can chew and gets their comeuppance, and the minor comes out on top without being driven by a motive distinct to the character, as though there is nothing to them at all aside being young and innocent and indescribably reckless. I've heard all that before. Regards, Samuel Farris.
Probably because Diesel was not featured in Season 3. I must admit that it would have made better sense if Daisy appeared in the episode instead of Diesel.
Especially with the dialogue about knowing nothing about Trucks
4:11 toby:😁
That story wasn't in the Railway Series, so I refuse to believe it as a proper depiction of Sodor...
When I first got the whole railway series book for Christmas when I was 6 I always thought that blue tractor was Terence because I watched the episode before I got the book, and I asked why did the illustrator make Terence blue? Because I we know he's orange. It took me a few years later I found out too notice that that was a different tractor.
I really don't get what you were saying in that last statement of your comment. All I'll say is if Britt Allcroft cared about Thomas, she would have used Daisy. There's no excuse either, as they made a model for her!
I don't call you an idiot for the sake of it, I call you an idiot because it is a fact that you are one.
I also find it funny that you don't like us "bossing you around" when you take great pleasure in bossing others around. It's like you're a control freak
@gallafey who knows
@mysterio5productions I thought the same thing too
Are these available for public use?
The story toke place in 1962
It was written in 1972, so I may be inclined to believe that instead
>:( Don't be vulgar. The TV show is what I grew up with
Same.
Not vulgar but the truth, your just nostalgia filled.
@dominoesandtin Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, how many more times must I say WRONG!? The Awdrys wanted their stories to be represented as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to his stories, so the kids could RELATE the stories to the series! She destroyed it with inaccuracies, buying the rights, making Series 5 and Thomas and the Magic Railroad. It's because of her that kids these days have NO IDEA what the Railway Series is, who created it and that he died 14 years ago!
Chris Tomson Well Technically The Reverend W. Awdry's Name is. At the beginning of every Episode, But nobody reads that soooooo
.
Farker
so true
Possibly the bad implications of the only two female engines causing trouble, as well as making, what could be considered from their point of view, racist jokes. :P
Diesel was already established as a steam-hater, and even more conviniently, is male and as blatantly villainous as they come.
ToonReel001
Bullshit, he only appeared because they had made a model of him for the season but not for daisy.
There's so many things fucking wrong with this
why oh why did Britt Alcroft have mavis talking to Deisal and not Daisy as in the books