This reviewer needs to explain that he is using the Chestnut development batch, but most people will get Evergreen, which is the batch for mass production, that is currently scheduled to start shipping in mid-August. Given that the PCB will change in the Dogwood batch and there are future power management improvements to extend the battery life, it is ridiculous to review this phone in its current state. It is fine to tell us what is the current state of development, but clearly explain that it is still in development and this isn't a review of the final product for the general public. MakeUseOf left out many important things, like the fact Purism is developing a new mobile graphical user interface called Phosh which runs on Linux+Wayland+GTK+GNOME libraries, whereas the PinePhone isn't developing the software and is relying on community groups like UBports, PostmarketOS, etc., which dramatically lower its development costs. The hardware kill switches in the PinePhone are underneath the back panel, so you can't access them without disassembling the phone, whereas the hardware kill switches on the Librem 5 can be accessed while using the phone, so they are more useful. The GPU on the Librem 5 is roughly 2.5 times more powerful than on the PinePhone, which is very important because the Librem 5 is will have the future ability to connect to an external monitor, mouse and keyboard in order to use it as a desktop PC. If you are trying to decide between the Librem 5 and PinePhone, I recommend reading my blog post that compares the two phones: amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2019/12/01/decide-pinephone-vs-librem-5/
We can only review what we're given; if that's not the final model, they shouldn't submit it for scrutiny. We're not going to review somethign based on what it could be or what features are promised to come, because that's not what anyone is going to get now.
@@MakeUseOf, If Purism didn't tell you that you were getting a development model to review, then the company clearly screwed up in its communication with you. Only a couple hundred people who preordered in August or September of 2017 got the Chestnut batch and they clearly knew that they were getting a development model, since Purism explained it on their website and in the email to customers asking them which version of the phone they wanted. The vast majority of people who preordered the Librem 5 will be getting the Evergreen batch, and that batch is what should be reviewed in my opinion, since anyone ordering the Librem 5 today will be getting Evergreen. In the interest of transparency, I think that you ought to add a note to your written review and to this video, which explains that you are reviewing the Chestnut development model, and not the final model for mass production.
@@MakeUseOf No, he talks about price, doesn't mention at all that this is development batch. This review is incredibly misleading. I came down to the comments just to say this, but props to @Amos Batto for beating me to the punch.
Not gonna lie, given what happened with SCL/Cambridge Analytica and various other state-sponsored abuses of privacy (e.g. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/another-brick-in-the-wall-can-we-save-child-rights-from-school-surveillance/) it’s a little hard to take seriously anyone who decrees that “it’s better to risk your privacy” and who can’t be bothered to fully appreciate that a) they received a development unit and that b) the milestones already achieved are a very positive indicator of the quality we can expect from future developments. As others have commented, your review is more than misleading and I imagine the competitors you steered viewers to (without a genuine like-for-like comparison) must be loving it.
"unlikely to be picked up by anyone other than Linux users and privacy advocates" Who exactly do you think it's marketed towards? What amde you think it's for a wider audience?
Yikes. You mean to tell me this guy gets a early development model of the Librem and starts comparing it to another device which has already been released for mass production. Got a click bait title and a disingenuous video to boot. That's kinda cringe bro.
So why buying the phone now if it's too bad? I seriously can't dig why are they selling it when it's simply requires a lot a lot of work, plus for that crazy money?
@@denkozlov4220 Maybe because its not closed source and they dont have enough people to work on it.....? Dude its software is being developed currently and what to you expect from a phone with Alpha Software. They are selling it now for development to all the developers who are willing to develop for this open source software and OS, not meant for consumers who aren't tech savvy.
@@denkozlov4220 Well they are selling the phone now mainly so they can get the phones into the hands of anyone who wants them or anyone who would like to develop on it. Think of this like living on a frontier in the old days, there wasn't anything there, then settlers moved in and established settlements which grew over time. As of now the Librem is not quite ready for you average phone user, but by allowing people to purchase their phone early before the final batch is made and is ready to go to mass production, it allows them to develop applications earlier so developers could get a head start on making applications that would make an average user's experience more comfortable and pleasant!
@@denkozlov4220 that isn't even sold. Who sells prototypes? MUO made a video of the prototype without acknowledgement and compared that to final product, whereas the end users receive the the final product. Tbh the review is cringe.
4:35 The camera for the PinePhone actually couldn't take pictures at the time of upload. It only started taking pictures around 2 weeks ago. Please do research
Dude. Give youself a break. This is a very early stage phone. They are focused on stabilizing the kernel and low level functionality. Expecting an iOS like experience at this stage is either dumb or a paid negative advertisement.
You should get your facts straight Christian before ragging on a development platform. Its not 9 months after initial release. It hasn't been released yet. Total joke title for the video.
Everybody making, using and knowing this phone understand it is not up to par as a general device. If someones is in the market for that then Purism is the last place to be checking as it is a development device whose purpose is to bring mainline Linux to mobile. Its a massive undertaking for this device and its software to even exist :)
That would be fine if Purism marketed it that way, but one look at their website shows that they don't. They make it sound like a device that can be your daily driver, not a hobbyist's tinkering tool.
Wow, did you even bother to read any of the info on Purism's site before posting this review? Clearly not. It clearly explains the "why" behind this phone and all their other projects. It's fine if you're not willing to pay a premium for their "lofty goals" but to ignore them completely so you can be cheeky here is poor form at best. Check your ratio friend.
A private phone that succeeds at privacy but fails at being a phone is not a success. I could wall off all the windows and doors to reduce the attack surfaces of my house, but it wouldn't make it a very good house, would it?
Maybe it was far from the best performance when you recorded this video but It is a necesary step to have a complete opensource phone. IMHO Projects like librem5 and pinephone are necesary for to achieve that goal.
Although I could aggree with this review for the actual version that is reviewed, it is good that the long development roadmap is mentioned. As is evident, they are still on it :) The battery in the eventual version will be of a larger capacity than the one in this review model, which will account for improved battery life, together with more software optimisations. The point of this phone however, as opposed to the pinephone (which is a great project in itself), is that it will be(you can buy it now, but the finished version isn't out, these are development batches of it) the first commercially available fully "free" phone. The "free as in free speech, not free beer" is kind of the focus point of the phones manufacturer, since their stance is that to actually be fully in charge of your own devices, the software needs to be 100% open source(I use this term for simplicity). From the applications down to the hardware drivers. There's still work to be done, that much seems obvious from this review, but personally I can see a lot ot value for there to be at least a single alternative to the huge tech giants that currently dominate the market software wise. You either get an android phone, or an apple device, and the android open source projects seem as good as gone. Not to the tech enthusiasts, but for less tech savvy people, there is still lots of potential here. Especially so if you are into the free software principles, im which it would be the first of it's kind.
Oh, no complaints about the sentiment and lofty goals of the phone, those are all lovely. The actual device is just a bit pants, and not something you'd want to buy at the moment. Maybe in a few years....
@Boogey Man The goals are all sound, but the problem with these kind of projects is that they are extremely ambitious. I've backed the phone because I want to support their efforts, but personally wouldn't expect the phone to compete with any of the major players on the smartphone market anytime soon. It does for some, especially tech enthusiasts, but what a lot of people seem to expect is this to end up as some sort of easy to use device, that offers all the features that any other modern smartphone does. That simply won' t be the case, which is why it would be unwise to recommend it to anyone other then tech enthusiasts and people that *really* value their privacy. Looking at the amount of work that has been put in the planned default OS for this phone, and is still being put into it, I'm pretty sure that at some point it will achieve just this, a phone that performs the most basic tasks for a non-technical end user, but by the very goals of purism themselves it won' t be a mass market phone. This is made very clear by people that keep asking "when can i expect the facebook app to run" , or "how do i get whatsapp running on this?". The issues that are addressed with this phone aren't even known to most regular smartphone users, so it is to be expected that a lot of people just look at it as an underpowered overprice bulky device. There' s just that little bit of convenience you' d have to sacrifice to be able to use something like this, even if it was only to regain it once you've learned how to use the software that comes with it. Even if it's the perfect phone to buy if you value the goals (and you have to value them a lot to spend this much money), it's not the perfect phone to use. Not because it's not out yet, but even when it is, it won't be that usable anyways.
I kinda just found out about this. Do you really think this one has a slow processor? It sounds like it's suppost to work as a modest desktop replacement with a monitor and mouse/keyboard. But yeah I love my OLEDs as well.
If you’re worried about how long software development is taking, look at how long it took to develop android to 1.0 - and how it’s taken decades and millions of dolars to get android to it’s current terrible state.
It took 5 years (Oct 2003 - Sep 2008) of development to get Android to its first commercial phone, the HTC Dream. iOS (formerly called iPhone OS) took over 2 years (2005 - Jun 2007) of development before the release of the first iPhone. Canonical developed Ubuntu Touch for 3+ years from 2011 to 2015-02-09 before the release of the BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition.
@@AndroidFerret My experience is an OEM skinned phone and it was absolute garbage form a UX perspective - inconsistent animations, jumping around, etc. Not only that, take a looks at the permissions of some of the apps on your phone.
@@derpmarine216 Like I said ...if you don't care for privacy Android (the newer versions) is amazing .. I have Soo many smartphones for different things (one for retro games,one for Android games ,one for 6-7 gen emulation ,one for programming, making music,writing ,one for connecting my family and friends and one for UA-cam and some other stuff) And these smartphones have Android 6-10 ...I am absolutely happy with these systems . Since I only use one of these devices to connect other people and I don't use it for important private stuff (banking etc) I have even no big problem with the security issues . The features are absolutely amazing ...
This reviewer misses the point. Clearly a "just a consumer" pretending to be technical. "ThIS pHoNe iZ aS ExPeNsIvE aS mY iPhOnE durrr buT wOrSeR!" "Tinfoil wearing" privacy advocates.....aaaaaand right there you just insulted your audience. What a plonk
I would like to see a review of someone who understands the point of this phone. You, by your own admission don't understand it. The point is freedom and privacy above all else. No the pinephone does not come close to privacy as under is law the gsm module must be tackable and tappable per us law. Primarily the gsm module is completely separate from the CPU, without that you have basically no privacy. The pinephone does not have that. That alone for a dumb phone was $2000 a couple years ago. This is $750 for a smartphone with that $2000 features. If you don't need that feature then yes get a Android.
One Year later how is the phone now? The Software has been significantly improved. Because the hopelessly broken software seems to be your main point of criticism (which I fully understand) I would recommend re-testing it.
Asking reviewers to evaluate it seems a little premature then, don't you think? What are they supposed to review? Promises of what might come in future?
I like that at least we can see details about this phone from a real human. Yeah, it's a dev version, but if you know that going into this, this is a pretty good review of the phone's current state from the perspective of a real end user, and hopefully useful information for Purism.
If you are not Richard Stallman or a programmer willing to contribute at this specific project it's a pointless device. I keep an eye on it but at this stage, I keep my iphone 8. IMO GNU and "libre" software are the future (I use Ubuntu 20.04 on my PC and I love it) but at this point it's just at the begining with the smartphone segment.
Yes, I have used it to top-up my public transport card countless times on the go. Very handy and I would miss not having it. Oneplus were heavily criticised for not having it in the 2
If you have your phone you have your wallet too? I’m sorry I almost never bring my wallet with me anywhere, I literally just leave it in the car for driving and that’s it.
As of now, this thing is MUCH better. Sure if you're an app-mad mainstream Android or iOS user it's probably not for you. But it's way faster now the GPU is doing more of the heavy lifting and the software has improved rapidly. I'd sooner have a Linux PC in my pocket that makes calls than 100 surveillance economy apps…. and this is almost ready for prime time.
Really disappointed in this review, as others have stated... If you are a tech reviewer, you should understand the current situation in regard to Linux phones... There are not many out there, and although this BATCH of the Librem 5 has its issues, comparing it to other "mass market phones" is akin to comparing a CAR to Space X Falcon 9 Rocket... yes they both take people places, one is more expensive than the other, but cars have been around for a while, and commercial rockets are just taking off* (*pun intended)... That being said, besides that "little issue" with your review... Other aspects of the review do a wonderful job of showing what the Librem 5 has to offer... So maybe if you do get a Dogwood Batch phone, make sure to mention some of that info you skipped out on ... Thanks... I guess...
Someone else pointed out that this is actually an engineering sample and not the final product. There are more hardware and software updates which have come after this and you shouldn't look at this as what is available now.
Ahh, you might be on one of those weird old US networks which use a completely separate system to the rest of the world. CDMA - Sprint, Verizon and US Cellular, my Googling tells me. I think that was phased out a few years ago, most modern smartphones should work either. But you'd be best checking with your actual carrier, I'm not familiar with the CDMA quirks.
@@zygfrydmierzwinski6041 3 years in the making and this is as far as they've gotten... either Purism is in over its head or they're simply incapable. This phone should've been done a year ago.
@@rob_over_9000 Do you even understand that they are creating their own OS framework? Sure, the Linux kenrel is already there but it's not like they are taking a prebuilt system like Android and are doing a few tweaks to make it work with the phone. They are closer to starting from scratch than mostly using prewritten code. Cut them some slack! They are only getting the industry started.
Sorry guy, this beats any fancy shiny Samsung and iPhone any day, it’s a virtual Linux desktop in a phone body. So what, it’s still in development, I think reviews like this may come across as disingenuous, why? Did the iPhone, Samsung Galaxy and Google’s attempt come out of the box when they started with superb top of the line features ? While I appreciate the honest views, I still believe you cannot use phones by today’s standard against a small new company, they’re not pushing Android, so it’ll take time. I prefer my freedom and security any day above collective convenience, bells and whistles. Cheers !
This phone has to compete with phones that exist today. It's being sold for a price comparable to phones sold today. It's completely fair to review it in light of the alternatives.
@@WhoWatchesVideos my thoughts exactly! I love Purism's philosophy but this phone, as of yet, just won't cut it. Just like a first gen android or iPhone wouldn't today.
@@WhoWatchesVideos, It's fair to compare the Librem 5 to the PinePhone, but a good reviewer should mention the differences in the hardware, and this reviewer did a very poor job of explaining what makes the Librem 5 unique. See my comment above.
@lasest2 An Android rom well better then nothing is in no way a substitute. Large binary blobs of encrypted firmware are required to run any android phone. You have no control over your gsm that is integrated directly with the cpu. It is by US law (1996 telecommunications act) that the gsm module have a backdoor so we know it has one. Being able to shut power to the gsm module is critical to privacy and no android Rom can do this for us.
So how do hobbyists make kits there? If I buy an electronics kit, it's just a box of parts and a circuit board that needs soldering and so on. But out of the box it doesn't technically 'work'
@@manw3bttcks you can buy a kits, all the parts would have to work, any faulty parts would need replacing, but if something like a fully built up phone is sold with a camera on it it would have to work otherwise the seller has 3 choices repair [ in a timely fashion] replace or refund
This is the Chestnut development version of the Librem 5 sent out to a few hundred early backers who preordered the phone in August or September 2017 and who volunteered to get it. Customers were told that not everything currently works, but with future software updates, everything should work, so I'm not sure how NZ/Aussie law would deal with this situation.
the pinephone has sadly the weaker gpu the mali 400 MP2 but the rest is litteraly the same and the display on the pinephone is a larger and ips so better looking
They are never going to take root with their price points. For $700 dollars, that phone is poopoo. What could possibly be in that phone that is worth $700 dollars? Absolutely nothing! It has 3 gigs of ram for God sake. They are hiking prices up to recoup development costs and that isn't the consumers problem. Just get a pine phone. It'll do the same thing and suck just as much.
If you want KDE it may take an extra couple years but I have no doubt some hobbyists will make it happen. In fact, Plasma is already getting a mobile interface so it may take a lot less than a couple years to configure the UI to work with the system.
@@MadsenAltamirano So, unless I'm mistaken, they spent a lot of money on making Gnome viable for mobile... I'm not sure doing that with Plasma would've cost just as much, considering they had already invested a lot on their own mobile interface. Additionally, Purism initially said that they would also support Plasma Mobile, but it seems like they gave up ... I can't even find any footage of a Librem 5 running Plasma.
lots of salty fanboys commenting here... he's right, this is not alpha, it's a proof-of-concept at best and sadly the PinePhone is not much better at the moment still waiting for an acceptable Linux/BSD "libre" phone that allows the user to control his or her privacy
Not a single person thinks your review is a good one. You are ineffectual, a terrible reviewer, and you honestly have no place talking about a phone like this as its EXTREMELY obvious you don't understand it's purpose at all. You're also reviewing a development model as a final model. Legitimately what do you think you're doing? Honestly.
There is practically nothing I liked of this review. Last but not least the somehow arrogance of the reviewer. And no, there's no way I'll subscribe to this channel. Adiòs
By the time this device's software is ready to go head to head with other flagship devices, the hardware will be completely out of date and the development hell cycle will begin again.
LOL. "Ohhnoooooesss my updated hardwarinos are not present in an acceptable phone!! NOOOOO!!!!!! What will I ever dooooo???!??!?" HAHAHAHA. This is what worship of Capitalism and not God brings the world.
2000 $???????? Thats a joke or? I can use an old galaxy s5 and flash it. With a new Linux version... For 50 bucks... Why should I buy such a terrible device?
If you want to help purism with developing this phone, then you can buy it, this is not a final version. You can buy it for $749 or you can pay $2000 and it will be assembled in the US
Android is not Linux just like GNU is not Linux. Android and GNU are userlands, not kernels. But I understand what you mean, Android does use the Linux kernel.
Gosh I read the comments, ppl defending sooo much this product. It's like or they are phyco crazy linux fans or they are getting money from these lousy batches. The man is telling you the hugest drawbacks of that phone and wondering about its price, and you start to yell: omg omg it's the first batch bleh bleh bleh! If so I got a simple question for you - if it's so awful why they are selling it in such a lousy condition? So would you calm down now?!
Everyone is loosing their minds because its open source and is developed by those buying the phones now. Purism is all open about their lousy and awful software and its that way because IT DIDNT EXIST BEFORE 2017. Dont expect a phone's Software currently being built together with the consumers to be on par with closed source tech giants like Google or Apple.
@@potatogod3000yeah and I like it too cuz it's open source and secure, but they are not quite there yet, unfortunately . They need some years to improve their product. For now there is an alternative: for google pixel phones there is the graphene OS. And for other phones is the Linage.
It's sold in it's current stage so the community can develop on this device, remember this is new stuff, it is open source from the software they develop, to the drivers that they use to run the hardware of the phone. And since GNU/Linux phones are not mainstream, there is not much in terms of applications or community made software that would make a meaningful impact for your average mobile phone user. Which is ultimately why it is sold as such: to allow the development of programs and applications.
@@potatogod3000 They've been developing PureOS forever, wtf do you mean it didn't exist before 2017? This is a modified PureOS with some major changes for hardware and mobile usability.
I like the idea of this unit and understand why it is as expensive as it is. That said it is way beyond my budget. I do like the pine phone and might get 1 eventually
On the Mobile UA-cam app you can, in the suggestions panel, click the three dots next to one of their videos (or hold your finger on it to bring up the menu) and click "don't suggest videos from this channel anymore." Unfortunately I don't know any way to do this on the UA-cam website!
@@PizzaLovingNerd Yeah, technically "Linux" is in there, but when people say "Linux," they almost always mean GNU/Linux, as in an OS distribution with the expectation of something similar to, say, Debian or OpenSUSE or whatever. I would say yes, Android is built on a variant of the Linux kernel, but it's not "Linux." Android is pretty different than what many expect from "real" Linux, although it, like MacOS, can appear similar sometimes. So, yes, Android is no more "Linux" than MacOS is.
@@cardboard3161 I know what the Linux kernel is, I do UA-cam videos on mobile Linux. What I was saying was that saying Android is no more Linux based than macOS when MacOS doesn't have a Linux kernel at all, that's a stupid statement.
It's a dev phone and LINUX IS NOT FOR NOOBS who have no sane business buying a dev phone unless (as is often true) the money doesn't matter. Ordinary users should not even consider a Linux phone and stick with Android or Apple, it really is that simple. Since development of hobby projects is slow and the work is hard it would be reasonable for those wanting a phone with modern features to ignore Linux phones for another ten years (which isn't much time) and do their Linux work on notebooks or if you must try it on a phone, in containers like UserLAnd offer. If you really want privacy you don't use your phone for anything but minimal comms in the first place and use a proper Linux or BSD OS on PC instead. Wider audiences should avoid power user OS and hardware. The idea of one device for everyone is idiotic because what suits morons doesn't suit the experienced so they should not share more than standard file formats. Power users want choice. Noobs want easy default choices made for them.
@@MakeUseOf The problem is that people start using the wrong notation if they see it on big channels. There are products that advertise with Gb and people might think those products offer more than they do. I did not misinterpret it since I knew about this products before. However, if I did not and it was a more typical 4Gb, then I might believe it, since there aren't that many smartphones with mainline Linux and that you can't built your privacy focused phone with high-end parts today is pretty obvious.
It's a development phone and as far as I can remember everything except the baseband cellular modem is open source(as in you can actually look at the schematic). This is why it's $750 and it's worth every penny for people who value their privacy and don't want to be a slave to their phones. Yes it's rough but does anybody remember when android reached 1.0? It was *horrible* and the iphone was a little better. The development of this product will be much faster as everything has already been figured out. This isn't a consumer device and you should emphasize it in your videos.
This reviewer needs to explain that he is using the Chestnut development batch, but most people will get Evergreen, which is the batch for mass production, that is currently scheduled to start shipping in mid-August. Given that the PCB will change in the Dogwood batch and there are future power management improvements to extend the battery life, it is ridiculous to review this phone in its current state. It is fine to tell us what is the current state of development, but clearly explain that it is still in development and this isn't a review of the final product for the general public.
MakeUseOf left out many important things, like the fact Purism is developing a new mobile graphical user interface called Phosh which runs on Linux+Wayland+GTK+GNOME libraries, whereas the PinePhone isn't developing the software and is relying on community groups like UBports, PostmarketOS, etc., which dramatically lower its development costs. The hardware kill switches in the PinePhone are underneath the back panel, so you can't access them without disassembling the phone, whereas the hardware kill switches on the Librem 5 can be accessed while using the phone, so they are more useful. The GPU on the Librem 5 is roughly 2.5 times more powerful than on the PinePhone, which is very important because the Librem 5 is will have the future ability to connect to an external monitor, mouse and keyboard in order to use it as a desktop PC.
If you are trying to decide between the Librem 5 and PinePhone, I recommend reading my blog post that compares the two phones:
amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2019/12/01/decide-pinephone-vs-librem-5/
We can only review what we're given; if that's not the final model, they shouldn't submit it for scrutiny. We're not going to review somethign based on what it could be or what features are promised to come, because that's not what anyone is going to get now.
@@MakeUseOf, If Purism didn't tell you that you were getting a development model to review, then the company clearly screwed up in its communication with you. Only a couple hundred people who preordered in August or September of 2017 got the Chestnut batch and they clearly knew that they were getting a development model, since Purism explained it on their website and in the email to customers asking them which version of the phone they wanted. The vast majority of people who preordered the Librem 5 will be getting the Evergreen batch, and that batch is what should be reviewed in my opinion, since anyone ordering the Librem 5 today will be getting Evergreen.
In the interest of transparency, I think that you ought to add a note to your written review and to this video, which explains that you are reviewing the Chestnut development model, and not the final model for mass production.
@@amosbatto3051 Isn't that what Christian says here? ua-cam.com/video/NV0RnWorPpQ/v-deo.html
@@MakeUseOf No, he talks about price, doesn't mention at all that this is development batch. This review is incredibly misleading. I came down to the comments just to say this, but props to @Amos Batto for beating me to the punch.
Not gonna lie, given what happened with SCL/Cambridge Analytica and various other state-sponsored abuses of privacy (e.g. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/another-brick-in-the-wall-can-we-save-child-rights-from-school-surveillance/) it’s a little hard to take seriously anyone who decrees that “it’s better to risk your privacy” and who can’t be bothered to fully appreciate that a) they received a development unit and that b) the milestones already achieved are a very positive indicator of the quality we can expect from future developments. As others have commented, your review is more than misleading and I imagine the competitors you steered viewers to (without a genuine like-for-like comparison) must be loving it.
"unlikely to be picked up by anyone other than Linux users and privacy advocates" Who exactly do you think it's marketed towards? What amde you think it's for a wider audience?
this review is really garbage, they have no idea what they are talking about
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem I'm a dumb consumer and here's a linux phone in alpha. IT BADDDD
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem I know it's hard to watch this guy talk about how you can't take photos or videos because theres nO caMeRa soFtwAre
Yikes. You mean to tell me this guy gets a early development model of the Librem and starts comparing it to another device which has already been released for mass production. Got a click bait title and a disingenuous video to boot. That's kinda cringe bro.
So why buying the phone now if it's too bad? I seriously can't dig why are they selling it when it's simply requires a lot a lot of work, plus for that crazy money?
@@denkozlov4220 Maybe because its not closed source and they dont have enough people to work on it.....? Dude its software is being developed currently and what to you expect from a phone with Alpha Software. They are selling it now for development to all the developers who are willing to develop for this open source software and OS, not meant for consumers who aren't tech savvy.
@@denkozlov4220 Well they are selling the phone now mainly so they can get the phones into the hands of anyone who wants them or anyone who would like to develop on it. Think of this like living on a frontier in the old days, there wasn't anything there, then settlers moved in and established settlements which grew over time. As of now the Librem is not quite ready for you average phone user, but by allowing people to purchase their phone early before the final batch is made and is ready to go to mass production, it allows them to develop applications earlier so developers could get a head start on making applications that would make an average user's experience more comfortable and pleasant!
Did you understand that you got a development version ? This review is incredibly misleading. THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PRODUCT
WHY BUYING THE PRODUCT FOR 700 DOLLARS THAT IS NOT FINAL?
Tell me, was the 'final product' any better on release? Did it fix any of the issues described in the video?
Is there any expected time for the final product to be released?
@@denkozlov4220 that isn't even sold. Who sells prototypes? MUO made a video of the prototype without acknowledgement and compared that to final product, whereas the end users receive the the final product. Tbh the review is cringe.
4:35 The camera for the PinePhone actually couldn't take pictures at the time of upload. It only started taking pictures around 2 weeks ago. Please do research
Dude. Give youself a break. This is a very early stage phone. They are focused on stabilizing the kernel and low level functionality. Expecting an iOS like experience at this stage is either dumb or a paid negative advertisement.
He uses an Android normally, so probably quite used to broken stuff everywhere ;)
Didn't the same MakeUseOf account comment "I use an iPhone" on another comment.
You should get your facts straight Christian before ragging on a development platform. Its not 9 months after initial release. It hasn't been released yet. Total joke title for the video.
Everybody making, using and knowing this phone understand it is not up to par as a general device. If someones is in the market for that then Purism is the last place to be checking as it is a development device whose purpose is to bring mainline Linux to mobile.
Its a massive undertaking for this device and its software to even exist :)
That would be fine if Purism marketed it that way, but one look at their website shows that they don't. They make it sound like a device that can be your daily driver, not a hobbyist's tinkering tool.
Wow, did you even bother to read any of the info on Purism's site before posting this review? Clearly not. It clearly explains the "why" behind this phone and all their other projects. It's fine if you're not willing to pay a premium for their "lofty goals" but to ignore them completely so you can be cheeky here is poor form at best. Check your ratio friend.
A private phone that succeeds at privacy but fails at being a phone is not a success. I could wall off all the windows and doors to reduce the attack surfaces of my house, but it wouldn't make it a very good house, would it?
@@rob_over_9000 termites could possibly leach into your house.
Maybe it was far from the best performance when you recorded this video but It is a necesary step to have a complete opensource phone. IMHO Projects like librem5 and pinephone are necesary for to achieve that goal.
Although I could aggree with this review for the actual version that is reviewed, it is good that the long development roadmap is mentioned. As is evident, they are still on it :)
The battery in the eventual version will be of a larger capacity than the one in this review model, which will account for improved battery life, together with more software optimisations.
The point of this phone however, as opposed to the pinephone (which is a great project in itself), is that it will be(you can buy it now, but the finished version isn't out, these are development batches of it) the first commercially available fully "free" phone. The "free as in free speech, not free beer" is kind of the focus point of the phones manufacturer, since their stance is that to actually be fully in charge of your own devices, the software needs to be 100% open source(I use this term for simplicity). From the applications down to the hardware drivers.
There's still work to be done, that much seems obvious from this review, but personally I can see a lot ot value for there to be at least a single alternative to the huge tech giants that currently dominate the market software wise. You either get an android phone, or an apple device, and the android open source projects seem as good as gone.
Not to the tech enthusiasts, but for less tech savvy people, there is still lots of potential here. Especially so if you are into the free software principles, im which it would be the first of it's kind.
Oh, no complaints about the sentiment and lofty goals of the phone, those are all lovely. The actual device is just a bit pants, and not something you'd want to buy at the moment. Maybe in a few years....
@@MakeUseOf let's hope so :) I've been waiting for my pre-order for literal years.
@Boogey Man I use an iPhone. ;)
@Boogey Man The goals are all sound, but the problem with these kind of projects is that they are extremely ambitious. I've backed the phone because I want to support their efforts, but personally wouldn't expect the phone to compete with any of the major players on the smartphone market anytime soon.
It does for some, especially tech enthusiasts, but what a lot of people seem to expect is this to end up as some sort of easy to use device, that offers all the features that any other modern smartphone does. That simply won' t be the case, which is why it would be unwise to recommend it to anyone other then tech enthusiasts and people that *really* value their privacy.
Looking at the amount of work that has been put in the planned default OS for this phone, and is still being put into it, I'm pretty sure that at some point it will achieve just this, a phone that performs the most basic tasks for a non-technical end user, but by the very goals of purism themselves it won' t be a mass market phone.
This is made very clear by people that keep asking "when can i expect the facebook app to run" , or "how do i get whatsapp running on this?". The issues that are addressed with this phone aren't even known to most regular smartphone users, so it is to be expected that a lot of people just look at it as an underpowered overprice bulky device. There' s just that little bit of convenience you' d have to sacrifice to be able to use something like this, even if it was only to regain it once you've learned how to use the software that comes with it.
Even if it's the perfect phone to buy if you value the goals (and you have to value them a lot to spend this much money), it's not the perfect phone to use. Not because it's not out yet, but even when it is, it won't be that usable anyways.
I'd buy Linux phones if they had OLED screens and faster processors
I kinda just found out about this. Do you really think this one has a slow processor? It sounds like it's suppost to work as a modest desktop replacement with a monitor and mouse/keyboard. But yeah I love my OLEDs as well.
@@MadsenAltamirano It has a cortex A53 quad core cpu,it's technically an entry level phone from 2014
@@operatorrailey1102 and overpriced af
Your username explains everything we need to know about you.
If you’re worried about how long software development is taking, look at how long it took to develop android to 1.0 - and how it’s taken decades and millions of dolars to get android to it’s current terrible state.
It took 5 years (Oct 2003 - Sep 2008) of development to get Android to its first commercial phone, the HTC Dream. iOS (formerly called iPhone OS) took over 2 years (2005 - Jun 2007) of development before the release of the first iPhone. Canonical developed Ubuntu Touch for 3+ years from 2011 to 2015-02-09 before the release of the BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition.
S40 got some stuff right and is still better.
Terrible?
Except the security issues the android versions 8-10 are amazing
Imo
@@AndroidFerret My experience is an OEM skinned phone and it was absolute garbage form a UX perspective - inconsistent animations, jumping around, etc. Not only that, take a looks at the permissions of some of the apps on your phone.
@@derpmarine216 Like I said ...if you don't care for privacy Android (the newer versions) is amazing ..
I have Soo many smartphones for different things (one for retro games,one for Android games ,one for 6-7 gen emulation ,one for programming, making music,writing ,one for connecting my family and friends and one for UA-cam and some other stuff)
And these smartphones have Android 6-10 ...I am absolutely happy with these systems .
Since I only use one of these devices to connect other people and I don't use it for important private stuff (banking etc)
I have even no big problem with the security issues .
The features are absolutely amazing ...
This reviewer misses the point.
Clearly a "just a consumer" pretending to be technical.
"ThIS pHoNe iZ aS ExPeNsIvE aS mY iPhOnE durrr buT wOrSeR!"
"Tinfoil wearing" privacy advocates.....aaaaaand right there you just insulted your audience. What a plonk
Seems like an excellent phone.
This review had about as much effort as your morning routine.
a downside is no separate gps/cellular killswitches. GPS doesn't leak data on its own, so this really makes it not usable as an offline GPS map tool
you can remove the wifi card and make that switch on. that way the GPS won't turn off.
I would like to see a review of someone who understands the point of this phone. You, by your own admission don't understand it. The point is freedom and privacy above all else. No the pinephone does not come close to privacy as under is law the gsm module must be tackable and tappable per us law. Primarily the gsm module is completely separate from the CPU, without that you have basically no privacy. The pinephone does not have that. That alone for a dumb phone was $2000 a couple years ago. This is $750 for a smartphone with that $2000 features. If you don't need that feature then yes get a Android.
One Year later how is the phone now?
The Software has been significantly improved. Because the hopelessly broken software seems to be your main point of criticism (which I fully understand) I would recommend re-testing it.
Huh, well I guess we see what kind of reviews you make.
Awesome ones? Yeh, thanks!
@@MakeUseOf no, garbage-ass-doodoo-poopy ones
This is a stupid review. The phone isn't even complete yet, as far as I can tell.
Asking reviewers to evaluate it seems a little premature then, don't you think? What are they supposed to review? Promises of what might come in future?
as of now the closest to a functioning linux phone ; pine64 's pinephone ($149)
Looks like u can also open it for self service
I like that at least we can see details about this phone from a real human. Yeah, it's a dev version, but if you know that going into this, this is a pretty good review of the phone's current state from the perspective of a real end user, and hopefully useful information for Purism.
If you are not Richard Stallman or a programmer willing to contribute at this specific project it's a pointless device. I keep an eye on it but at this stage, I keep my iphone 8. IMO GNU and "libre" software are the future (I use Ubuntu 20.04 on my PC and I love it) but at this point it's just at the begining with the smartphone segment.
hello and that now at 2021 the librem 5?
But does NFC matter? If you have your phone you would have your wallet and keys too. 1:35
Yes, I have used it to top-up my public transport card countless times on the go. Very handy and I would miss not having it. Oneplus were heavily criticised for not having it in the 2
If you have your phone you have your wallet too? I’m sorry I almost never bring my wallet with me anywhere, I literally just leave it in the car for driving and that’s it.
Conor Murphy exactly I have the OP 2 and it was truly awful not having it, and it’s so cheap too.
As of now, this thing is MUCH better. Sure if you're an app-mad mainstream Android or iOS user it's probably not for you. But it's way faster now the GPU is doing more of the heavy lifting and the software has improved rapidly. I'd sooner have a Linux PC in my pocket that makes calls than 100 surveillance economy apps…. and this is almost ready for prime time.
Faile video, privacy uber alles
Really disappointed in this review, as others have stated... If you are a tech reviewer, you should understand the current situation in regard to Linux phones... There are not many out there, and although this BATCH of the Librem 5 has its issues, comparing it to other "mass market phones" is akin to comparing a CAR to Space X Falcon 9 Rocket... yes they both take people places, one is more expensive than the other, but cars have been around for a while, and commercial rockets are just taking off* (*pun intended)... That being said, besides that "little issue" with your review... Other aspects of the review do a wonderful job of showing what the Librem 5 has to offer... So maybe if you do get a Dogwood Batch phone, make sure to mention some of that info you skipped out on ... Thanks... I guess...
Still awful though, 800 dollars for a CPU that's weaker than Raspberry Pi 4.
Is it untraceable 2022 version can it be tracked
It's sad to hear all of this, since I've been hoping to see a decent mobile OS that is neither iOS nor Android for a while
Someone else pointed out that this is actually an engineering sample and not the final product. There are more hardware and software updates which have come after this and you shouldn't look at this as what is available now.
How do you get wireless service and data on DEGOOGLED ANDROID PHONES or LINUX PHONES, though?
Same way you do with any phone, through the SIM card.
@@MakeUseOf That's the thing. I have bought a phone before, only to have it not accepted at all by a wireless carrier.
Ahh, you might be on one of those weird old US networks which use a completely separate system to the rest of the world. CDMA - Sprint, Verizon and US Cellular, my Googling tells me. I think that was phased out a few years ago, most modern smartphones should work either. But you'd be best checking with your actual carrier, I'm not familiar with the CDMA quirks.
Where can we download the ROM for Android phones?
I don't care about ROM. The real question is, where can I download some RAM?
I know this isnt the final version but 750 for that is steep.
I might pay 499 for a finished version, but it has to be very polished.
It doesn’t have android or iOs apps either
I can understand the idea behind the phone, but people expect a usable phone!
But this is not finished product, it is prototype for developers.
Regular users shouldn't buy it yet.
@@zygfrydmierzwinski6041 3 years in the making and this is as far as they've gotten... either Purism is in over its head or they're simply incapable. This phone should've been done a year ago.
@@rob_over_9000 Do you even understand that they are creating their own OS framework? Sure, the Linux kenrel is already there but it's not like they are taking a prebuilt system like Android and are doing a few tweaks to make it work with the phone. They are closer to starting from scratch than mostly using prewritten code. Cut them some slack! They are only getting the industry started.
Finally, a ray of hope for citizens
Says a hacker
Sorry guy, this beats any fancy shiny Samsung and iPhone any day, it’s a virtual Linux desktop in a phone body. So what, it’s still in development, I think reviews like this may come across as disingenuous, why? Did the iPhone, Samsung Galaxy and Google’s attempt come out of the box when they started with superb top of the line features ? While I appreciate the honest views, I still believe you cannot use phones by today’s standard against a small new company, they’re not pushing Android, so it’ll take time. I prefer my freedom and security any day above collective convenience, bells and whistles. Cheers !
This phone has to compete with phones that exist today. It's being sold for a price comparable to phones sold today. It's completely fair to review it in light of the alternatives.
fanboy alert.
@@WhoWatchesVideos my thoughts exactly! I love Purism's philosophy but this phone, as of yet, just won't cut it. Just like a first gen android or iPhone wouldn't today.
@@WhoWatchesVideos, It's fair to compare the Librem 5 to the PinePhone, but a good reviewer should mention the differences in the hardware, and this reviewer did a very poor job of explaining what makes the Librem 5 unique. See my comment above.
@lasest2 An Android rom well better then nothing is in no way a substitute. Large binary blobs of encrypted firmware are required to run any android phone. You have no control over your gsm that is integrated directly with the cpu. It is by US law (1996 telecommunications act) that the gsm module have a backdoor so we know it has one. Being able to shut power to the gsm module is critical to privacy and no android Rom can do this for us.
Am I supposed to take advice from this guy?
Try using Ubuntu Touch on it
The LTE module is made by a ShangHai, China company....I doubt if this phone can really protrect your privacy...
this bruh the type of dude to defend apple
He hates Apple, stop making silly assumptions. I however, wouldn't dream of trying to use Windows or Linux to get any real work done.
MakeUseOf i'm sorry bro
This guys favorite quote by Arnold is "screw your freedom".
Selling yor privacy is a better title. But yeah, choice is yours...
you could not sell this phone in new zealand or australia, we have consumer protection laws, that means a product must work when sold
So how do hobbyists make kits there? If I buy an electronics kit, it's just a box of parts and a circuit board that needs soldering and so on. But out of the box it doesn't technically 'work'
@@manw3bttcks you can buy a kits, all the parts would have to work, any faulty parts would need replacing, but if something like a fully built up phone is sold with a camera on it it would have to work otherwise the seller has 3 choices repair [ in a timely fashion] replace or refund
you can not buy it anywhere since this is a development version of a phone that hasn't been released yet.
This is the Chestnut development version of the Librem 5 sent out to a few hundred early backers who preordered the phone in August or September 2017 and who volunteered to get it. Customers were told that not everything currently works, but with future software updates, everything should work, so I'm not sure how NZ/Aussie law would deal with this situation.
We need only one like to get the equilibrium! 225 - 225 ! =D
Sorry partner, but that train is long gone, but we may get to see the bar look like a light saber! c:
Lol i might start working w these guys soon. Wish me luck
the pinephone has sadly the weaker gpu the mali 400 MP2 but the rest is litteraly the same and the display on the pinephone is a larger and ips so better looking
Lol, time wasn't nice to this video
Take my privacy; I'll stay with Apple.
The camera is so out of focus that my vision without glasses looks perfect compared to it, and I barely have time to read road signs without glasses.
They are never going to take root with their price points. For $700 dollars, that phone is poopoo. What could possibly be in that phone that is worth $700 dollars? Absolutely nothing! It has 3 gigs of ram for God sake. They are hiking prices up to recoup development costs and that isn't the consumers problem. Just get a pine phone. It'll do the same thing and suck just as much.
This company will make a foldable phone in 2093 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's Gnome-based :S
So?
If you want KDE it may take an extra couple years but I have no doubt some hobbyists will make it happen. In fact, Plasma is already getting a mobile interface so it may take a lot less than a couple years to configure the UI to work with the system.
@@MadsenAltamirano Yes, I already knew that...
@@MadsenAltamirano So, unless I'm mistaken, they spent a lot of money on making Gnome viable for mobile... I'm not sure doing that with Plasma would've cost just as much, considering they had already invested a lot on their own mobile interface. Additionally, Purism initially said that they would also support Plasma Mobile, but it seems like they gave up ... I can't even find any footage of a Librem 5 running Plasma.
>tfw when you cross the line between an honest review and being angsty and edgy
lots of salty fanboys commenting here... he's right, this is not alpha, it's a proof-of-concept at best and sadly the PinePhone is not much better at the moment
still waiting for an acceptable Linux/BSD "libre" phone that allows the user to control his or her privacy
a phone for 2k with the speaker phone sucks is not a good deal
I dont think this phone is looking to compete on price
So you didn't do any research? ತ_ತ
Not a single person thinks your review is a good one.
You are ineffectual, a terrible reviewer, and you honestly have no place talking about a phone like this as its EXTREMELY obvious you don't understand it's purpose at all.
You're also reviewing a development model as a final model.
Legitimately what do you think you're doing? Honestly.
Well said, the video has a good point. BTW What did you mean by "save some money and buy a pine phone instead" What is a pine phone?
Another linux phone: www.pine64.org/pinephone/
There is practically nothing I liked of this review. Last but not least the somehow arrogance of the reviewer. And no, there's no way I'll subscribe to this channel. Adiòs
That's a shame, there's plenty of reviewers here with differing opinions.
@@MakeUseOf fortunately!
I want to buy a Pinephone.
Very well made review! I like your style.
Ugliest phone ive ever seen
Bad deal. Get a Samsung.
cringe
this phone is a joke, linus tech tips anthony also agrees
You saved me some money ... I was thinking of buying this Phone today. I changed my mind for now Thanks
spoiler its really bad 😂😂
I'm surprised they delivered anything with a screen at all. This whole undertaking was absolutely delusional.
It is moving on pretty well. What is your point?
Lol...made in the USA for ya. I have battery banks that look sleeker than that piece of garbage.
By the time this device's software is ready to go head to head with other flagship devices, the hardware will be completely out of date and the development hell cycle will begin again.
@Dylan If you want to make a proper run at the two major phone OSes, you need a critical mass of users. Otherwise this phone dies on the vine.
LOL. "Ohhnoooooesss my updated hardwarinos are not present in an acceptable phone!! NOOOOO!!!!!! What will I ever dooooo???!??!?" HAHAHAHA. This is what worship of Capitalism and not God brings the world.
@@MadsenAltamirano ??? What does this have to do with the worship of anything?
2000 $????????
Thats a joke or?
I can use an old galaxy s5 and flash it. With a new Linux version... For 50 bucks...
Why should I buy such a terrible device?
If you want to help purism with developing this phone, then you can buy it, this is not a final version. You can buy it for $749 or you can pay $2000 and it will be assembled in the US
As knuckles said, the $2k version of the phone is made completely in the USA, the standard version however is around $700
Android is linux same as desktop OSes like Ubuntu Linux.
Android is not Linux just like GNU is not Linux. Android and GNU are userlands, not kernels. But I understand what you mean, Android does use the Linux kernel.
it's amazing to see how purism is scamming people and all the comments below this video at the same time
I think people are just very passionate about the Purism project in general.
brainless video. No need to research into details of the product. Completely disqualifies itself by reasonable thinking.
Jesus, those specs are not even worth $100.
Gosh I read the comments, ppl defending sooo much this product. It's like or they are phyco crazy linux fans or they are getting money from these lousy batches. The man is telling you the hugest drawbacks of that phone and wondering about its price, and you start to yell: omg omg it's the first batch bleh bleh bleh! If so I got a simple question for you - if it's so awful why they are selling it in such a lousy condition? So would you calm down now?!
Everyone is loosing their minds because its open source and is developed by those buying the phones now. Purism is all open about their lousy and awful software and its that way because IT DIDNT EXIST BEFORE 2017. Dont expect a phone's Software currently being built together with the consumers to be on par with closed source tech giants like Google or Apple.
@@potatogod3000yeah and I like it too cuz it's open source and secure, but they are not quite there yet, unfortunately . They need some years to improve their product. For now there is an alternative: for google pixel phones there is the graphene OS. And for other phones is the Linage.
@@denkozlov4220 yeah CTT did a video on Graphene OS. Cool OS to get degoogled.
It's sold in it's current stage so the community can develop on this device, remember this is new stuff, it is open source from the software they develop, to the drivers that they use to run the hardware of the phone. And since GNU/Linux phones are not mainstream, there is not much in terms of applications or community made software that would make a meaningful impact for your average mobile phone user. Which is ultimately why it is sold as such: to allow the development of programs and applications.
@@potatogod3000 They've been developing PureOS forever, wtf do you mean it didn't exist before 2017? This is a modified PureOS with some major changes for hardware and mobile usability.
Thank goodness I watched this before I wasted my money! Just bought the pinephone over this trash Librem. Bless you mate!
Check the other comments, his review is trash.
There's a lot of good reviews but this one.
*hm, this guy must be right
Librem wants to fail. They dont even have marketing plan for a 2000$ phone.
i came after mrwhosetheboss' video
Sounds like the encrophone
I kinda like the bulky looks, it quite easily translates it to being sturdy. Hardware seems decent, just need to wait more for software to catch up
Do you have any idea when it will match the market needs ??
Spoiler: this review is REALLY BAD
This comment isn't particular great, either!
@@MakeUseOf The video is worse.
I like the idea of this unit and understand why it is as expensive as it is. That said it is way beyond my budget. I do like the pine phone and might get 1 eventually
is there a way to block a youtube channel, so i dont get this misleading and trash content?
On the Mobile UA-cam app you can, in the suggestions panel, click the three dots next to one of their videos (or hold your finger on it to bring up the menu) and click "don't suggest videos from this channel anymore." Unfortunately I don't know any way to do this on the UA-cam website!
@@MadsenAltamirano thanks
Yep. That’s what I’m doing too. Lol
"Linux never seems to take hold in the mobile market"
Literally used by the most popular mobile OS.
Oh please, the Android kernel might be Linux based but it's no more Linux than Mac OS is.
macOS doesn't have anything to do with Linux. Android actually does use the Linux kernel even if it is more locked down than pure Linux.
@@PizzaLovingNerd Yeah, technically "Linux" is in there, but when people say "Linux," they almost always mean GNU/Linux, as in an OS distribution with the expectation of something similar to, say, Debian or OpenSUSE or whatever.
I would say yes, Android is built on a variant of the Linux kernel, but it's not "Linux." Android is pretty different than what many expect from "real" Linux, although it, like MacOS, can appear similar sometimes. So, yes, Android is no more "Linux" than MacOS is.
@@cardboard3161 I know what the Linux kernel is, I do UA-cam videos on mobile Linux. What I was saying was that saying Android is no more Linux based than macOS when MacOS doesn't have a Linux kernel at all, that's a stupid statement.
@@PizzaLovingNerd I think if you're looking at the perspective of the kernel, I definitely agree that Android is infinitely more Linux than macOS. :]
Has anyone actually received this hunk of junk? From what I can tell, Purism largely took the money and ran.
Spoiler alert.... I’ll get the phone, and not listen to this dude. He would be much happier with an iPhone.
It's a dev phone and LINUX IS NOT FOR NOOBS who have no sane business buying a dev phone unless (as is often true) the money doesn't matter. Ordinary users should not even consider a Linux phone and stick with Android or Apple, it really is that simple. Since development of hobby projects is slow and the work is hard it would be reasonable for those wanting a phone with modern features to ignore Linux phones for another ten years (which isn't much time) and do their Linux work on notebooks or if you must try it on a phone, in containers like UserLAnd offer. If you really want privacy you don't use your phone for anything but minimal comms in the first place and use a proper Linux or BSD OS on PC instead.
Wider audiences should avoid power user OS and hardware. The idea of one device for everyone is idiotic because what suits morons doesn't suit the experienced so they should not share more than standard file formats. Power users want choice. Noobs want easy default choices made for them.
The number of fanboys in the comment section is simply wonderful.
Looks like you are not so good predicting sales. I try to buy 1 and I need to wait 6 months, lol.
@Joseph Armbruster they're a small company, but they will shipm
3 gigabit RAM? This channel doesn't seem to have much attention to detail. Not what I'm looking for in a review.
I've rewatched this, and he definitely says Gigabytes. Whats the problem?
Yes, but the text says "3Gb". Although there aren't spaces between the values and units either so maybe no one was really expected to read.
@@MakeUseOf The problem is that you have a channel with a huge audience and you are making beginner mistakes. Gb stands for Gigabit.
@@muellerhans Did you misinterpret that as having 0.375GB of RAM, then?
@@MakeUseOf The problem is that people start using the wrong notation if they see it on big channels. There are products that advertise with Gb and people might think those products offer more than they do.
I did not misinterpret it since I knew about this products before.
However, if I did not and it was a more typical 4Gb, then I might believe it, since there aren't that many smartphones with mainline Linux and that you can't built your privacy focused phone with high-end parts today is pretty obvious.
outdated iphone with mods completely overpriced garbage at a higher price than Iphone.... lmfao
Some bad spies hate this phone=buy it!
lololol that like/dislike ratio. serves you right.
nah, the brigading subsided
It's a development phone and as far as I can remember everything except the baseband cellular modem is open source(as in you can actually look at the schematic). This is why it's $750 and it's worth every penny for people who value their privacy and don't want to be a slave to their phones.
Yes it's rough but does anybody remember when android reached 1.0? It was *horrible* and the iphone was a little better. The development of this product will be much faster as everything has already been figured out. This isn't a consumer device and you should emphasize it in your videos.
So when will the consumer device be released ??
Are you going to do another review when the final version is released?
I mean if you don't like it I'll trade you my Pinephone 😂