Great video as always! I do really like your usage of the 7" cardboard, it make it wary easy to compare, rather then if you only did try to point it out. :-) About you correcting yourself, I think that you may find it works better if you record your speak, the same way as when you make the main recording, that way, your sound is the same, even if you are not using the video part of your corrections. :-)
Fried Mule Thank you for the great feedback! Your insight is always helpful! Boy, this weekend I had so many technical problems - I wanted to take a break - but I also really wanted to get these videos out. I have so many more that I want to do - that are fun projects...;)
@@KissAnalog You are so welcome, please do ask if I can help in any way! I have worked on both TV and Radio with recording, editing and lots other. Technical problems, yes they do often come all at once. I am so happy that you decided to make videos, your channel is by fare the best channel!!
For anyone wondering: I have the SDS1104X-E, and it can indeed, turn off the menus. The button for it is even visible in the image that was used in this video. It is the small round button at the far left under the screen ;-)
@@KissAnalog round button right of the screen (blue on the sds1104x-e) is for print. The round button on the left of the screen on that model is the "menu off" button. It seems to be missing on the one you have, unfortunately.
Thanks for the presentation. I just bought the GW Instek GDS-1054B after spending an eternity oscillating between it and the Rigol DS1054Z. Looking to do some HAM projects and I liked its superior FFT performance. Plus, the price has gone down quite a bit. Got it for $340.
The important thing to remember is get the Rigol. I spent about $100.00 more upfront for the DS1074Z Plus which allowed me to later buy the RPL1116 cable and turn it into an excellent MSO with 16 digital channels. Any of the 1000 series with the Plus in the model name can be upgraded with the cable.
Well done! The most confusing explanation i have seen. within a couple of minutes I didn't know whether we were reviewing the pictures on he ipad or the scope not there or scopes that were there but not being reviewed. thanks!
Now this is how product reviews are suppose to go...shows capability of each unit and a final grading of the products!! Great Video!! I already had my eye on the GW Instek from word of mouth. I had heard it was a really good scope that was affordable.
Thank you! I appreciate that feedback!! I’ve been really happy with my GW Instek. They are trying to come up with a way to give me a commission but I just ask people to use my links for Amazon. That helps me and doesn’t tie me to any one manufacture. I’m still trying to figure this stuf out;)
watched this video while researching what scope to get it was really helpful for me. i did order the gw instek but found out it is only 1gig total and is divided throughout the 4 channels. also got bummed out that it didnt have decoding and i didnt understand if it had a trigger out but it says open collector/ go no go. is that trigger out or something better i dont know? the siglent has trigger out and i felt that was talked about alot in other scope reviews so must be a good thing to have. so i ordered the siglent sds 1104x-e and first thing i noticed was how much more clear the screen looked to me and the fact that the top of the screen was not blocked when the scope sat a little lower than eye level. very cool i thought. the bottom menus do turn off on the siglent the 4 channel scope has that menu off button on the far left side where as the 2 channel one i dont see the button so may be a work around to get the lower menus turned off. the screen does not grow or shrink like the gw does when the menus are turned off but for the most part the siglent seems to have a much better screen in my option for viewing even if the bars dont grow or shrink from the menus being turned on or off. i really do like the adjustment dials on the gw being a set per each channel but the siglent is very easy also to adjust between channels by just having to select what channel you want to adjust and use the same controls to do the same movements, it is very easy and not that big of a deal. i do like the gw better as far as that goes but the fact the 1GSa/s is actually divided and the siglent has dual 1gsa's then quad 500 MSa/s and decoding and cool color changing stuff for hot spots and just very user friendly help info per button hold down and images with help info in them seems better for me being a newb. i wouldnt mind keeping both scopes to learn what the differences are and not feel like i might be sending something back that i wish i didnt but in the end id rather use that money on other test equipment and just go with my gut feeling that the siglent was better and that the wording on the gw was misleading and not cool as far as the 1GSa/s part goes. i dont really know what im doing and wanted one in this price range to build off of and learn if i even need say a higher dollar one. kinda also why i went with the siglent it has more options and being $100 more i feel there is a reason for that and the reason i think is because of the decoding and 100MHz and dual 1GSa/s and trigger out vs gw @ 50Mz and just 1GSa/s across the 4 channels and not sure if it had a trigger out or what open collector is? also got that mic sig differential probe and hantek amp clamp and load tester oh and a AWG just a cheap one that was offered with the gw when i fist orded it saying other customers also order this when getting this. so yeah kinda went a wall but iv been wanting one for awhile now id say since 2014 when i first started learning and fixing electronics and learned that it was easy for me and something i wanted to learn more of and really needed to get an o scope that wasnt just a limited hand held one. the 2 channel 200MHz siglent one caught my eye and funny thing is i canceled my order of the gw then ordered that one and was like wait no i want 4 channel then went back and re ordered the gw and canceled the siglent 2 channel. lol its been fun i think this is why iv waiting so long to get one im not good at getting stuff if i dont really understand what it is im getting and well lets just say theres alot to an o scope. not to mention what ones are hackable and what not. i gave up on that after feeling siglent most likely wanted to have one that is as good as a hackable one and maybe even better since thats got to be just killing there market dang 1054z anyways. sorry for the story just thought you would get a kick out of it and wanted you to know i like your videos and look forward to learning more on electronics and using o scopes hopefully more on the siglent and who knows maybe ill upgrade to a better gw like you have some day.
I asked GW Instek about the sampling rate, and the way they describe it - it sounds like the same as Siglent. You can get the full 1 GHz on two channels, but if all 4 channels are used, it divides 1 GHz between 2 channels, so you get 500 MHz for each of the 4 channels. GW Instek”s deep memory is dedicated 10 M per channel. While Siglent divides 14 M between 2 channels. So if one channel is used you get 14 M, but if 2channels are used you will get 7 M each. They both have excellent 1 Mpts FFT and 4 channel versions have Bode plot application I’ll in, so I think they are so near the same. I never use the ext. trigger, but you are right, this output is not provided on the 4 ch GW. But it does have the ability to turn off menus which I like. But both screens are nice big 7” either way. If you have both, try them both out , but if you like the Siglent’s dig bus decoding, then that might be the wat to go. I think both scopes are great options, so I’m sure you will be happy with whatever choice you make. Thanks for sharing your experience! Can’t wait to hear how it goes!
@@KissAnalog i still have both i planned on sending the gw back this week. i will look at it more but i do remember seeing on the screen when i would turn on 2 channels it would drop to 500m then when i turned on 3 it went to 250m i think then stayed at 250m with all 4 on. ill double check i think it only did it when i had the points count way up. its for sure a nice scope and i really do need to play with both a little more before i feel like im making the right choice. the quick start guide says 1GSa/s, Max.
This channel is really good, also I'm going to have to get my self a project book now. I've been sticking things in plastic wallets to keep all my components together but I think having a solid book is a good idea.
@@KissAnalog No Problem I am looking for a scope myself so let me add some more confusion 🙂Your links shows a : GW Instek GDS-1054B which BTW is much more expensive in Europe as usual. I guess that your video is about the GDS-1054B right? Fun part, looking at the picture, it shows the GDS 1104B. This model should be 100MHz and costs about 750Euro. For me overkill but I am still tempted to buy it. other option for me is the GDS-1202B which is 2 channel and 200MHz. I think I will flip a coin to decide.
GW instek is 1GSa/s shared between all channels, so if 4 channels are used you have 250gsa/s. Siglent 1104x-e has 2 ADCs, so 500gsa/s if all 4 channels are used, and full 1gsa/s if 1-2 channels are used.
Thanks for bringing this up. Yes Siglent has 2 ADCs, and I think it operates with one ADC dedicated to CH1 & CH2, and the other dedicated to CH3 & CH4. So, if you use 2 channels, one from each ADC, then you can get the 1GSa/s on each, but if you use say CH1 & CH2, or CH3 & CH4, then it drops to 500 mSA/s. So, if you are only using 2 channels, you would want to use 1 from each pair. Is that the way yours works? This is from memory, so I could be wrong;) My GW Instek MDO operates just a little bit nicer I think, it will let you use any 2 channels at 1GSa/s, but if you use 3 or more it drops each down to 500 MSa/s.
For me, besides cost, important items are: the minimum signal level (V/div), bandwidth (and flat bode plot type measurements - no peaking), high BW primarily for measuring fast rise times, a big range of measurement and decoding, quality/reliability and company reputation. I worry about aliasing at higher frequencies with ADC sampling. I don't see a lot of reviews looking at the -3dB roll-off nor trying to trigger on and analyze a small (i.e.,
Thank you! I agree, and I want to change my reviews so that I don’t follow the mundane. I want to offer real value. I’ve got some ideas but if you have suggestions, I’d be happy too hear them.
In your introduction you said these are not beginners' scopes but are full feature deep memory. Do you not think it’s worth me getting one of these scopes and learning the features as I grow?
Yes Mark - these are great for beginners! But they are not scopes only relegated to the beginner as they will take you into the future as you grow in electronics as well;)
Thanks. I think the biggest takeaway would be to invest in an isolated non metal floating battery scope so you dont have to buy differential probes. Or what about this secret I found in old tektronix scope manuals, take the ground leads off your 2 probes and use the math function to invert and subtract to create a differential out of your bench scope?
Thanks - I should do a video on grounding and how to use 2 probes to do differential measurements;) Maybe this should be 2 separate short videos so that people searching can find them;)
Thanks for the great question. I have been trying to get 4 scopes to give an update - but it has been difficult. I did find this one - that if you put it against these - I think it is the new winner: ua-cam.com/video/0V7cvx5kRBk/v-deo.html
Great video. Very thorough. Yes, "getting my feet wet". What would be most appropriate for working on audio gear specifically tube amps and radios? Thanks and keep up the great work!
Great question! What would work great is to have a diff probe that can be adjusted for different input voltages (x20, x50, x100). I did a video on comparing two of them, but I've done others as well. ua-cam.com/video/892RcsIUAtU/v-deo.html Also, my favorite setup would be the PicoScope 4444 that I've done videos on recently. ua-cam.com/video/vFRvdYTCkx4/v-deo.html
Hello, and now that you have the SDS1104X-U that is a better option because it fell in price compared to the video or which one would you choose? good video, greetings!
Awesome information! I’m new to this and I’ve never had an oscilloscope. I’ll check out your newer videos. What oscilloscope would you recommend nowadays that’s 4 channel for audio circuits? (like guitar amplifiers (tube and solid state), power supplies, and guitar pedals/preamps? Thanks again!
Thanks for the great question! There are a lot of great options, but if price is not a big factor then the PicoScopes that I’ve demonstrated are pretty awesome! They are still a great value when compared to the big brands.
Yes thank you! I was responding to comments regarding the function generator and didn't notice that this one was in regards to the scope;) The scope has the HDMI for using a larger monitor if you like.
Thank you for this video! Well done but it has made my decision harder haha. Amazon has the siglent sds1104x-e on sale for 399 now. I am getting into circuits and raspberry picos and wearables. I was not sure what to value more, channels or megahertz. I already learned from your previous videos that deep memory is a non negotiable. Seems like you are also conveying that 4 channels is best over megahertz. With that being said, what are your thoughts on the 1104x-e at 399 or is there something else I should consider. Thanks!
Thanks for asking! I think I'd go for this one. The price is close and it has a larger screen with really nice applications that you can run. Check out my GW Instek videos;) amzn.to/3GvzhY1
I wonder if I could suggest a topic for a future video. I have the Siglent SDS1202x-e scope and have been trying to learn how to decode serial data from the arduino uno UART. Every UA-cam video I've watch tends to leave out something. TIA
Thanks - that's a great question! Two channels is great for comparing two signals - like the input and output of an Amplifier. If you had a 3rd channel, you could monitor some other signal and compare it to the first 2, or you can monitor a current at the input or output. With 4 channels, you can monitor both current and voltage at input and output. This would go for a power supply as well. Now with 2 channels, you can use one as a reference and move the 2nd channel around to see basically the same thing, it just takes a little longer. Here's a link to the 2 channel, and from this link you can see the other GW options. amzn.to/3pPknjx
4 channel scopes would also be useful for things like SPI decoding, if they have serial protocol decode. I2C could probably be used on a 2 channel scope.
Thanks for the great video, it was very useful to me! What's your opinion on pc based usb scopes? I'd love to see what you think in a video if you can get your hands on one.
Thanks - great question. I did get two sent to me. They came with good probes and so on - but I have to get the software loaded and try them out. I think it is a pain for my setup to have a laptop on the bench - but I could see how others could set it up so that it would be real nice. I hope to get to this in the next few weeks. Cheers!
@@KissAnalog Much appreciated! In the meantime I ended up buying a PicoScope and even though based on your video I think I chose reasonably well, I'm still not sure how it compares to a regular scope, in terms of bang for buck. Whenever you can spare the time - I'll be happy to see your opinion! All the best
Great question! I keep thinking its time to put out another updated video:) I really like the PicoScopes. You get a lot for your money because the computer display and GPU that runs it is on the computer and not on the scope, so you get more scope for your money and a big screen;) amzn.to/3jANTrT Or, did your question ask something else?
@@KissAnalog Thanks... I’m thinking I want both options. I’d like a 200mhz 4 channel scope for the bench. The siglent 1104z-e is impressive with the hack etc. What I’m missing is... what are the software differences between all the models that you can get.
Thank you for that great question! They do have universal power supplies to work on120 thru the 240 Vac range. However, the power cords are country/voltage specific, so be sure to get the proper cord when ordering - and double check me to be certain;)
@@KissAnalog SORRY, I MEANT CAN THEY BE USED TO ANALYZE AC CIRCUTS ON BUILDINGS WHICH TYPICALLY RANGE FROM 120 TO 240 AND UP TO MAYBE 640 IF SOLAR SYSTEMS ARE INVOLVED........... THANKS AGAIN
Yes, but for the higher voltage you can get a 100x probe on Amazon for surprisingly low prices. A high voltage differential probe would be a great option.
Thanks for the great question! I think there are not a lot of applications for most of us. I think for video digital drivers and fast processors speed is needed, but then you need very fast scopes.
Nice video. I think, ultimately, it shows there's not a lot in it at this price range - esp. if you pay GBP on a 1:1 basis to USD (which we do for "insert nonsensical profiteering reason here".) We could add in the ability to decode SPI/I2C - useful for things like Microcontroller debugging - which the GW Instek doesn't seem to even have as an option and that might bump them even closer together. The sample rate might be worth scoring on: as you (sort of) mentioned, some scopes split it over each channel in use - so 250MSa/s if all 4 (or even 3 like the Rigol); others, like the Siglent, will split it over channel pairs - so 1GSa/s for 1& 2 and again for 3&4 - which makes it useful if you use two channels in this way, and the worst being 500MSa/s. The GW, you say, gives you 1GSa/s on each channel which is pretty amazing at this price level and I'm not convinced - I suspect it gets split if more than 1 channel is being used (they talk about 'each single channel' for sampling rate and 'every channel' for the memory points. I don't know how the Owon compares in this respect, perhaps the same. I suspect what the deciding factor would be here is (a) price; and (b) usability/how it looks - and I think that the GW Instek would still win on that basis! I don't know though - I quite like the SPI/I2C debugging and the 1GSa/s on 2 ADCs so suspect that I would stick with the Siglent. I just need to persuade the wife that a scope is a cool thing to have!
Thank you! I appreciate the support and great information!! The OWON actually divides the sample rate between all 4 channels, but in this case I think that’s ok. The GW Instek I believe uses 1GSa/s for each, but I’m going to check with them. I’m glad you asked. Also / great point on the Digital Decoding!
I have just purchased a scope in the same price ballpark, but still in transit, so I don't know if it is any good or if it will even be delivered, as it was quite a bit lower then what regional sellers sold it here for.. One important factor for me was no noisy fan, and that is more or less the norm on cheap scopes.. 100mhz/1ghs, 80.000wfm, 29mb-memory,3ns-rise,20hz-bandwithlimitH/L, 256k grading.color and that jazz, HDMI, video killed the radiostar, 8". touch, 4 channel. final price will be a tad over 400 bucks (USD) but its unknown vendor and not a big player. Will definitely be taking a closer look at your scope-videos when it arrives and hopefully also lean on your knowledge.. I also had a good eye on the Rigol MSO5072 2ch. 70mhz/8ghz, as that, seems hackable 350mhz even channels (4) and can be had for around 1150USD though that would be way overkill for my needs, but the rather dull screen, on that model did let a lot to be desired. Thx for the video, but what about the analog-like display with a good grading to sense variety.. not something you prioritize.?
Jacob, that sounds like a great scope. It might be from a manufacturer of scopes that go by better known names and they decided to make one under their own name. Let me know the name and what you think of it when you receive it. I do like the persistence especially on a color grade scope, but honestly it isn’t used that often. Analog scopes used that to basically get storage on the screen for a few seconds:).
Thank you!, I have been using a hantek USB scope and a DS128, with the recent projects I have been working on in the lab it is time to upgrade to a real scope. I came across this scope: Owon SDS7102 which seems to have awesome specs, but it is like 8 years old, still worth buying?
I like the specs on the Owon, so I bought one but returned it. I did a video on this and showed the scope and features. At this price I think I like the Siglent: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XZML6RD/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=kissanalog0a-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B06XZML6RD&linkId=74c6a5a89acd52361f9f35f0e419f389 However, the batter option on the Owon could be huge if you are taking it away from the bench. Let us know what you decide. Thanks for the great question!
@@KissAnalog Thank you :) ... hmm, that is a good suggestion, the Siglent is $558.00 up here for some unknown reason, so 10% more than the Owon. It is faster, and a better name. The only thing I lose is the video out an 1 inch of screen, which would be nice when doing projects for the channel, but I am assuming I can take screen shots to the USB of the wave forms. I will be making the purchase on Thursday, at this point I am leaning toward your suggestion.
@@KissAnalog Perfect, I ended up ordering the Siglent, just waiting for Amazon to deliver it :), will do a hobiest review on my channel once I get it if you are interested.
I would love a video of bench oscilloscopes showing its value in diagnosing or troubleshooting. I've wanted one for years but can't see a value past hobby. Realizing no one in arms reach uses one or knows much about them, it's hard to justify buying one. I'm not saying they are worthless but nothing has sold me on what exactly I could use it for that my voltmeter would overlook. My inner nerd wants to justify it, I just want practical uses and benefits.
@@KissAnalog there is a bigger appeal to me for handheld dso dmm oscilloscopes. The hantek is cost effective for me but I don't know that they sell a quality product. Having ac dc amp ohm and capacitance is a huge upside in my line of work. That class is the only one I've seen capable of all. A video on handhelds in that $500-$1000 range. I really appreciate the help
I viewed this vid and looked into the GDS-1104E and I think it is discontinued. I found a GDS-1054B. Looks the like it has the same specs. I subscribed also. Thanx. Great content.
Rudy Pieplenbosch YW! I do really like the Owon screen. Let us know how you like it when you get it. I’ll put a link to an Owon review that I did, and if you go to Amazon for purchase please use my link, it doesn’t change the price but helps me even if you buy something else. Thank you for your comment!!
@@KissAnalog Yes, I finally found that out on a TAIWAN website. I bought the Instek 1202B. It will replace my 40 year old Heath kit scope. I downloaded the manual for the 1202, I don't know what some of the features are..stay tuned!
@@KissAnalog I love this new oscope! It does things I will never check. It comes with 2 probes and a dvd. I took 3 pages of notes about things I thought worth checking. Still learning...
12:21 About the 50 Mhz Gw Instek, you write the type number as GDS 1104E, but that type designation is for 100Mhz scopes, so it should be more like GDS 1054
You're welcome@@KissAnalog . I was kind of missing protocol decoding and logic analyzer extension with the Gw Instek, like Siglent and Rigol have. Then I watched a bit of your other video, best MDO money can buy... and then I understood... Gw Instek is more geared towards the analog domain, figures that one ends up top on your list, if your name is Kiss Analog... However I am more inclined towards the digital domain, although I still need to see the logic levels, especially between the 3V and 5V domain in order not to blow things up, and FFT is cool to have too, and then I think Siglent/Rigol end up on the top of my list.
That's a great scope, but there is a new scope series on the market. I think you might want to see this video: ua-cam.com/video/0V7cvx5kRBk/v-deo.html And then you can check out the sale price for the 100 MHz version of this scope at this link: uni-trendus.com/collections/digital-oscilloscopes/products/upo1104-100mhz-4ch-dso
Great question! The GW MDO scopes do have decoding, but the lower cost GDS scopes I don't think do. This is a new R version of the GDS series which does have RS232, so it might have the other digital decoding built in as well. Here's the link to check out: amzn.to/2ZXdrFT
@@KissAnalog I'm not so interested in transmission as reception.... & receiver design... analysing oscillator/mixer & amplification at low levels.. 😎🖕 Thanks for the reply btw... 😎🖕☘️🍺
Peter Fitzpatrick I think the 1202x-e might be better as it has the deeper memory FFT (1M) and has more upgrade options, but the 1202x does have the larger screen. Also, more money but I love the GW Instek MDO series. And I think the 70 MHz is totally good.
You put a lot of good information in your videos, and you clearly know what you're talking about, but a lot of times it seems kinda disorganized. Do you follow a script or an outline or something, or just turn on the camera and riff? Beside that, thanks for the videos, and thanks for all the great info!
Only just starting the video, what stood out immediately was the video quality. Picture is sharp, clean, clear and natural looking. Whatever you're recording with, however you're editing/processing keep doing it! I'd be curious to know. ::edit to add:: DS1054Z owner, had it for a few years now, got it when there were fewer choices. Have unlocked all the options in mine which is dead easy, so now have 100MHz 24Mpt memory and all the triggers and decoding options. One thing to note looking at your score sheet is that unless I'm mistaken the Rigol only has 12Mpts memory standard, the 24Mpts is an option. Sadly it's worth noting the Rigol software is pretty rubbish. At 800x480 the Rigol screen is 'good', not poor or outstanding. Some of the features available now make the Rigol less appealing, and the competition is good news for those of us looking for an economy scope. A few things that have come some way since the 1054 was released are even better intensity graduated displays, better memory depths, FFT and waveform/s. Honestly not sure what I'd pick now, the Owon does have some clever stuff and a larger, higher res screen. The battery option depending on how much $ could be handy for portable and/or floating use. It's still lousy that so many trigger and decoding functions are 'options', there was a scope released recently that bucked that trend but it's almost 3am local here and my brain is about done. Cheers!
Thank you! I’ll list my equipment later. I think Rigol is now unlocking all features in that series. Very capable scope. I think a Siglent and GW Instek are great options too. I do like the battery option and sharp screen on the OWON, but the one I had the FFT was not working properly. I hope they have corrected that. Plus the cursors needed some work, but they are fairly new to the game... Do you have any requests for a subject for a video?
I have a Rigol 1054z now. I'm wanting to try a different manufacturer in a similar price point and feature set. Any suggestions? I'd like to try the GW Instek but it's my understanding that it doesn't have protocol decode i2c, spi, rs-232, etc...?
Thanks for this question Jeff! The GW instek has different series but basically regardless of the letters they start with they fall into 1000, 2000, or 3000 series. The 1000 series do not do the bus decoding. I like my MDO2204eg as it can also do spectrum as well as bode plots.
Sorry I was thinking about the ARB generator as I was answering other questions and didn’t notice e this comment was about the scopes. Yes the HDMI port is so that you can watch it on a monitor. I haven’t tried it with that scope though.
Very informative video, however, I would do the evaluation in the following way: I would devide the sum of points of each osciloscope with its price. That way you can get an exact measure how much you pay per each individual point, or functional contribution in the overall set of features...😀 By doing so, you get that a ratio between your money and the features you actually get for it, expressed as [$/point]. According to that metric, the GW Intek GDS 1104E scores best with 13,93 $ per functional point, and the worst value for your money you get from Siglent where each functional point or feature point you pay 18,48 $ per functional point.
You're on the right track I believe but I don't think all features are equally important. Adding more weight to features you feel more important would yield a better over all numeric review. For example screen size is a pretty low priority one as for example the Siglent has both the option for an external monitor via HDMI as well as remote control over ethernet or USB. In addition the screen sizes aren't really that different in these four scopes that it would make a real difference anyway.
@@KissAnalog probabily the GW Instech: I deal with low and audio frequency circuits, I can use the 4 channels and want an xy plot mode. This scope has all of these things. I already have one and was considering buying another brand just to have some diversity. But since I don't need the high frequency precision I may just stick to this brand. I do like the touch screen feature of the Owon but it's a little too pricey for my budget. I do this as a hobby.
In my opinion a rather shallow comparison which is missing key features of modern scopes. If you're an analog guy; The fundamentals/key functionality to look for would be: Bode plotting, SPO and AWG-support. If you do digital stuff then it's: Serial decoding and memory segmentation. But foremost and hands-down most importantly is how well the firmware does, SW usability, stability, and if the specified features from the manufacturer is on par with spec or even functions properly...
@@jagvillhaenegenmane : I tried saying that for $500 you are very limited. Scope in this range will be limited in features and performance. Your need is what will dictate what you're looking for; What are you going to do and what kind of circuitry will you primarily measure (analogue, digital, automotive, HV...)? You have a need, otherwise you'd not be looking at an entry level scope... Now, what is that need?
Big Cheese Thanks for the reply. I think you’re right but as a newbie looking for an entry level scope it’s hard to know what to put emphasis on. Especially since my knowledge is very limited and I don’t know where this interest will take me. I’d like a scope which allows for growth so to speak.
@@jagvillhaenegenmane : Du borde kunna ringa in det lite mer ändå, trots "being newbie ". Vilket av följande alternativ passar bäst (altså vad ligger närmast, eller det du är mest intresserad av) 1.) Småsignalsystem, larm, lågspänningskort, Arduino, hemautomation, hemprojekt som automatbevattning, byggsatser, radiostyrt. 2.) Starkström, nätdrivna elmotorer, elcyklar, stora batterier. Och/eller mäta och felsöka i nätkopplade apparater (laga TV, tvättmaskin och annat med väggsladd m.m) 3.) Audiofilgrejjer, bygga ljudförstärkare, delningsfilter, tuning av högtalare ljudutrustning och gitarreffekt, leta efter "det perfekta ljudet" och sådant i den kategorin...
Eagleoneradiogod Good question. They are pictures of the real ones. The picture of the real Siglent is very similar to the Siglent on the bench. That series has an E following the X of the series I have on the bench. The Picture of the GW Instek shows how it is almost identical in looks to the one that I have on the bench - except for screen size.
Great scope choice. I don’t think you can go wrong with either;) Let me know if you run into a subject in school that you would like to see in a video - that might be great for everyone;)
Kiss Analog Maybe a talk about frequency domains and signals? I’m getting into Laplace Transformations soon and the math isn’t really a problem, but I don’t fully understand what i’m doing with that math. I know it changes a function of time into a function of frequency but what does that mean and how does that help? I’ve heard a lot of higher ups even that struggle with that topic. I’d greatly appreciate it though! 😊
I have owned muliple of each of those brands, I must say I rate them completely different based on usage and signal response. This does not make me right, its just my opinion based on usage of these generally at the same time. ( tend to work on bigger projects and need to see a lot of signals at the same time, hence multiple scopes. One day I hope to have a set of headless rack scopes :) I ended up giving my owans and insteks to a hack a day maker space in pasadena. And fyi, I also have owned hantek, worse scope I every owned (there are even worse) any time I tried to make a DC voltage measurement with it, off by .5 to 2 volts. My Rating: 1: Siglent, 2: Rigol, 3: Instek, 4: owan - I would never buy another owan as the controls knobs and build quaility were bad as well as response to to lcd display
I would have to agree with you. I think it is a toss up between the Siglent and the Rigol though - just because Rigol is giving away a lot of those extras that they used to charge extra for that Siglent included. Ok so I have become a huge fan of Picoscopes - largely because the software makes them so powerful! You can have multiple screens up and if you are running multiple scopes - I think it would be something to think about. Here is a low cost 2 channel scope: amzn.to/3XXE0qp
Excelente reseña, en especial el siglent, pero... si tu quieres obsequiar a mi de navidad, cualquier marca, soy feliz. Reparo consolas de videojuegos en Colombia. Gracias por compartir conocimiento.
Great Question! I've wanted to do an updated video - but the scopes at this price haven't changed that much. I have found some good options though, so I think I'll come out with a new video soon;)
I wouldn't have put that much emphasis on BW, because except the owon(as far as I know) all the others are hackable to their maximum BW and you get all the options for free.
I agree that BW is probably not a big deal. I wonder how manny of us ever really ne more than 50MZ? So, I don’t have a problem with someone hacking their own equipment, but I’m still not sure where I stand with myself providing instructions on how to do his. What ar your thoughts? I’m sure Rigol is losing market share. I think their equipment is getting aged. I’ve seen on their website that they now offer all options enabled on older lines. I didn’t know GW Instek was hackable.
I think all new oscilloscopes should ditch their screens and opt for external touch panels. Preferably connected with USB C PD cables; one cable for power and data from the scope. I might also suggest doing the same with the controls to break it out to a control surface. You then have a nice compact box with just lead connectors. You can then mix and match controls and screens for your own needs. A small screen could be good for in the field but I think something like a 16 inch screen for your bench is more practical. The actual scope I think would be cheaper.
Thanks for this great feedback! Have you seen this video I just posted? PicoScope 5444 Box Opening - could be your last Oscilloscope ua-cam.com/video/fSnLOsTwOqE/v-deo.html
Whichever you buy, in this range is so-so. I've bough Owon in 2013 for occasional pojects. I think it was not ON longer than 10 hours and now is not working properly anymore. Contacted Owon, no response so be ready for that scenario. I do not know if other Chinese company service is any better than this. Probably you can do something if thing is in warranty and if not, be ready to pay another $500. Think of it as cell-phone: need to buy it every few years, or PC, laptop, whatever. Digital scope is same as other digital 'stuff'. Becomes obsolete quickly and probably won't last forever. When I've bought my Owon 7102 and read about occasional unhappy 'user' I though .. yeah ... I will not be that unlucky. Also I could not get even spare parts if I've wanted to replace main board as I am not even sure what is wrong with it. So I could end up spending few hundred bucks and not fix the problem. So at the end have to accept the reality and maybe go for a new one and kind of like this Siglent - not exactly sure why, but will be good for what I do.
@@KissAnalog Hah ... have to take back at least half what I've said. Owon site messages did not work but email did. After I've sent one I've got quick answer and in three days owon sent me a patch that fixed my problem. So my scope still works as before. But the problem remains: if you apply new firmware it may cause problem and since there is no firmware backup (at least I don't know how to make one) you get stuck as you also do not know what the problem is. You may think it is the hardware issue. Also (apology for talking about different scope here) reason I've went for firmware update was that after going to 'save' and 'record' function my waveform becomes unstable. After updating firmware it became unstable all the time but luckily now i've got two firmwares one I know works fine. Until owon fixes other bug.
pera peric wow - they are trying but I think they are too new in this market. I’m glad yours is working for now. I have hope that they will be better as time goes on...
@@KissAnalog That one is $700+ .. were you looking at the GDS-1054B which is around $400 dollars? That one also only has one 1Gs/s ADC which gets divided across all 4 channels.
El Jefe @El Jefe. I found the GDS-1054B on Amazon for about $332. My MDO version splits the sample rate when looking at more than 2 channels, so I get the full 1GSa/s with two channels. I’ll check with GW Instek on the GDzS series. But for the 50MHz oscilloscope, even if it divided the sample rate 4x the 250MSa/s still gives 5 samples per cycle which is 2x the min required by the Nyquist criterion. And is equal to the Siglent SDS1104x-E on this video as it is a 100MHz bandwidth. And is twice as good as my Siglent 200MHz scope. Thanks for the great comment!!
I am still leaning towards the 1054b but it is easy to modify to work at 100mhz from what I have read. At that point the sampling is a bit low but only in the fringe case of needing 4 channels over 50mhz
Thank you! I’m comparing specs and I’ve had 30 years plus of using oscilloscopes so not so weird. I’m not talking about build quality or what you might experience in using them, I’m trying to compare using specs. If one car will go 30 miles per hour and the other will go 50 miles per hour - do you have to drive both cars to compare how they will work? No, it is obvious that one will go faster.
@@KissAnalog I understand, but with some cheap oscilloscopes it seems impossible to make a decent measurement, they can just be too inaccurate to measure low voltages. which should be a very basic thing.. (like FNIRSI has a bad reputation in this f.e.)
Yes, I'm sure that there are scopes that have worse specs then the ones I listed here. I chose proven scopes that have good reputations. Comparing specs as I did, the scopes that I show have either 1mV or 0.5mV vertical resolution. The FNIRSI that I looked at has 50mV vertical resolution. So, yes the FNIRSI would not make this list. What FNIRSI model are you referring to? I can take a look. BTW, you have to give FNIRSI credit for showing this performance in the spec - and not hiding it.
@@KissAnalog The FNRSI is the 1014D model. It seems o be unusable to measure anything blow 1V. I saw a review where an input of 500mV DC was measured by the unit as 145mV... That is how extreme off these measurements are 😳 An oscilloscope is a measuring instrument, so you want one you can trust, or else it's useless..
Wow! I don't have any experience using a FNRSI, so that is one reason - besides its specs - that I didn't even consider it. When a scope has specs so far out from the others - I am skeptical.
I stick with HP-Keysight. A used HP or Keysight for the same money is DEFINITELY better than a cheaply made scope for the same money. The HP stuff was made for industry and had to be utterly the top quality, and thus had the horrible original price. The cheap copies use stuff that is consumer grade and are nowhere near the quality of the HP. Used HP-Keysight scopes in great condition are now regularly available on ebay for bargain prices! Getting a $20,000 scope for $500 is a no brainer.
I agree, I also like the value in used equipment. However, unless you can find a top level brand name - the specs just are not there in regards to deep memory. The high bandwidth and high sampling rate just does not pay rewards without the deep memory. I just got a new Tektronix scope that cost around $25000, and it is hard to get a good pix - both the low frequency ripple across time and being able to zoom in and get a high resolution. For switching power supplies, it is important to see low frequency ripple - and being able to zoom in on fast rise times. A 100 MHz scope is plenty good, but deep memory makes a digital scope look like an analog scope. The GW Inskek MDO series is awesome for this and the Siglent scope seems to be made well enough and has great specs at a low price. Thank you for your great comment!
expensive oscilloscope below 100MHz does not make sense today. It is all so overpriced. We should have 500Mhz scopes nowadays but still stuck in dark ages...
Browarus Pierogus Thanks for the comment! I completely agree that the big scope manufacturers are way overpriced! At work we use scopes that cost in the 10s of thousands. So these scopes with these features for $500 or less, comparatively, are great deals.
The major cost driver is the input stage - look at the price jumps 100-200-500mhz... I went Siglent 2 ch 200Mhz... but really most home users do not need above 100mHz. I want to do switching work with MOSFETS and IGBT - so I had 200Mh min - wanted 4 channel, but could not swing the 2x price.
Great question! I think 2 channels are fine, but this was meant to offer a scope that you would likely never want or need an upgrade. However, if you are looking at your output and input voltages, but you also maybe want to monitor your inrush current with a current probe, then 3 channels would be needed - or you simply take the measurement twice and move the probe.
Also, in circuits that have both analog and digital sections, it can be advantageous to view an analog signal against the the digital signals that either control it or react to it. 2-channels can make this rather difficult.
It cannot be done better from a scientific point of view, although you need to assess the box and the colors of the cables from 1 to 5 as always. From an adult point of view I have laughed a lot.
Great video as always!
I do really like your usage of the 7" cardboard, it make it wary easy to compare, rather then if you only did try to point it out. :-)
About you correcting yourself, I think that you may find it works better if you record your speak, the same way as when you make the main recording, that way, your sound is the same, even if you are not using the video part of your corrections. :-)
Fried Mule Thank you for the great feedback! Your insight is always helpful! Boy, this weekend I had so many technical problems - I wanted to take a break - but I also really wanted to get these videos out. I have so many more that I want to do - that are fun projects...;)
@@KissAnalog You are so welcome, please do ask if I can help in any way! I have worked on both TV and Radio with recording, editing and lots other.
Technical problems, yes they do often come all at once.
I am so happy that you decided to make videos, your channel is by fare the best channel!!
That’s very gracious of you!!!
Please offer any ideas when they come to you;). I’m sure your experience will be valuable to this channel!
For anyone wondering: I have the SDS1104X-E, and it can indeed, turn off the menus. The button for it is even visible in the image that was used in this video. It is the small round button at the far left under the screen ;-)
On mine that is for printing - I hope that they provide a software update. The lat upgrade was about 3 years ago.
@@KissAnalog round button right of the screen (blue on the sds1104x-e) is for print. The round button on the left of the screen on that model is the "menu off" button. It seems to be missing on the one you have, unfortunately.
@@Wrackey I just bought mine, and I can confirm that the newer versions have that button =)
Thank you!
Thanks for the presentation. I just bought the GW Instek GDS-1054B after spending an eternity oscillating between it and the Rigol DS1054Z. Looking to do some HAM projects and I liked its superior FFT performance. Plus, the price has gone down quite a bit. Got it for $340.
That is an amazing price! I definitely think you made the right choice. Let me know how you like it as you have time to play with it;)
is this scope working out well for you in the 4 months? cheers!
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LOL You found me;)
He looks more like that actor
The important thing to remember is get the Rigol. I spent about $100.00 more upfront for the DS1074Z Plus which allowed me to later buy the RPL1116 cable and turn it into an excellent MSO with 16 digital channels. Any of the 1000 series with the Plus in the model name can be upgraded with the cable.
Siglent four channel x-e series scopes (like the SDS1104x-e shown here) have the option for SLA1016 logic analyzer probe addon with similar features
Well done! The most confusing explanation i have seen. within a couple of minutes I didn't know whether we were reviewing the pictures on he ipad or the scope not there or scopes that were there but not being reviewed.
thanks!
Well at least I accomplished that;) Im sorry, I hope I’ve gotten better. I’d like to do an update to this as I did this awhile ago.
Now this is how product reviews are suppose to go...shows capability of each unit and a final grading of the products!! Great Video!! I already had my eye on the GW Instek from word of mouth. I had heard it was a really good scope that was affordable.
Thank you! I appreciate that feedback!! I’ve been really happy with my GW Instek. They are trying to come up with a way to give me a commission but I just ask people to use my links for Amazon. That helps me and doesn’t tie me to any one manufacture. I’m still trying to figure this stuf out;)
watched this video while researching what scope to get it was really helpful for me. i did order the gw instek but found out it is only 1gig total and is divided throughout the 4 channels. also got bummed out that it didnt have decoding and i didnt understand if it had a trigger out but it says open collector/ go no go. is that trigger out or something better i dont know? the siglent has trigger out and i felt that was talked about alot in other scope reviews so must be a good thing to have. so i ordered the siglent sds 1104x-e and first thing i noticed was how much more clear the screen looked to me and the fact that the top of the screen was not blocked when the scope sat a little lower than eye level. very cool i thought. the bottom menus do turn off on the siglent the 4 channel scope has that menu off button on the far left side where as the 2 channel one i dont see the button so may be a work around to get the lower menus turned off. the screen does not grow or shrink like the gw does when the menus are turned off but for the most part the siglent seems to have a much better screen in my option for viewing even if the bars dont grow or shrink from the menus being turned on or off. i really do like the adjustment dials on the gw being a set per each channel but the siglent is very easy also to adjust between channels by just having to select what channel you want to adjust and use the same controls to do the same movements, it is very easy and not that big of a deal. i do like the gw better as far as that goes but the fact the 1GSa/s is actually divided and the siglent has dual 1gsa's then quad 500 MSa/s and decoding and cool color changing stuff for hot spots and just very user friendly help info per button hold down and images with help info in them seems better for me being a newb. i wouldnt mind keeping both scopes to learn what the differences are and not feel like i might be sending something back that i wish i didnt but in the end id rather use that money on other test equipment and just go with my gut feeling that the siglent was better and that the wording on the gw was misleading and not cool as far as the 1GSa/s part goes. i dont really know what im doing and wanted one in this price range to build off of and learn if i even need say a higher dollar one. kinda also why i went with the siglent it has more options and being $100 more i feel there is a reason for that and the reason i think is because of the decoding and 100MHz and dual 1GSa/s and trigger out vs gw @ 50Mz and just 1GSa/s across the 4 channels and not sure if it had a trigger out or what open collector is? also got that mic sig differential probe and hantek amp clamp and load tester oh and a AWG just a cheap one that was offered with the gw when i fist orded it saying other customers also order this when getting this. so yeah kinda went a wall but iv been wanting one for awhile now id say since 2014 when i first started learning and fixing electronics and learned that it was easy for me and something i wanted to learn more of and really needed to get an o scope that wasnt just a limited hand held one. the 2 channel 200MHz siglent one caught my eye and funny thing is i canceled my order of the gw then ordered that one and was like wait no i want 4 channel then went back and re ordered the gw and canceled the siglent 2 channel. lol its been fun i think this is why iv waiting so long to get one im not good at getting stuff if i dont really understand what it is im getting and well lets just say theres alot to an o scope. not to mention what ones are hackable and what not. i gave up on that after feeling siglent most likely wanted to have one that is as good as a hackable one and maybe even better since thats got to be just killing there market dang 1054z anyways. sorry for the story just thought you would get a kick out of it and wanted you to know i like your videos and look forward to learning more on electronics and using o scopes hopefully more on the siglent and who knows maybe ill upgrade to a better gw like you have some day.
I asked GW Instek about the sampling rate, and the way they describe it - it sounds like the same as Siglent. You can get the full 1 GHz on two channels, but if all 4 channels are used, it divides 1 GHz between 2 channels, so you get 500 MHz for each of the 4 channels.
GW Instek”s deep memory is dedicated 10 M per channel. While Siglent divides 14 M between 2 channels. So if one channel is used you get 14 M, but if 2channels are used you will get 7 M each.
They both have excellent 1 Mpts FFT and 4 channel versions have Bode plot application I’ll in, so I think they are so near the same. I never use the ext. trigger, but you are right, this output is not provided on the 4 ch GW. But it does have the ability to turn off menus which I like. But both screens are nice big 7” either way.
If you have both, try them both out , but if you like the Siglent’s dig bus decoding, then that might be the wat to go.
I think both scopes are great options, so I’m sure you will be happy with whatever choice you make.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Can’t wait to hear how it goes!
@@KissAnalog i still have both i planned on sending the gw back this week. i will look at it more but i do remember seeing on the screen when i would turn on 2 channels it would drop to 500m then when i turned on 3 it went to 250m i think then stayed at 250m with all 4 on. ill double check i think it only did it when i had the points count way up. its for sure a nice scope and i really do need to play with both a little more before i feel like im making the right choice. the quick start guide says 1GSa/s, Max.
Try turning on channel 1 and 3. I think ch1 and ch2 share and ch3 and ch4 share.
This channel is really good, also I'm going to have to get my self a project book now. I've been sticking things in plastic wallets to keep all my components together but I think having a solid book is a good idea.
That’s a great idea! Thanks for your feedback!
The GW Instek model on your notes is not the one in your amazon link. Confusing
Sorry about that. It is a crazy how I have to constantly fix the links;) Thank you for letting me know.
@@KissAnalog No Problem I am looking for a scope myself so let me add some more confusion 🙂Your links shows a : GW Instek GDS-1054B which BTW is much more expensive in Europe as usual.
I guess that your video is about the GDS-1054B right?
Fun part, looking at the picture, it shows the GDS 1104B. This model should be 100MHz and costs about 750Euro. For me overkill but I am still tempted to buy it. other option for me is the GDS-1202B which is 2 channel and 200MHz. I think I will flip a coin to decide.
GW instek is 1GSa/s shared between all channels, so if 4 channels are used you have 250gsa/s. Siglent 1104x-e has 2 ADCs, so 500gsa/s if all 4 channels are used, and full 1gsa/s if 1-2 channels are used.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Yes Siglent has 2 ADCs, and I think it operates with one ADC dedicated to CH1 & CH2, and the other dedicated to CH3 & CH4. So, if you use 2 channels, one from each ADC, then you can get the 1GSa/s on each, but if you use say CH1 & CH2, or CH3 & CH4, then it drops to 500 mSA/s. So, if you are only using 2 channels, you would want to use 1 from each pair. Is that the way yours works? This is from memory, so I could be wrong;)
My GW Instek MDO operates just a little bit nicer I think, it will let you use any 2 channels at 1GSa/s, but if you use 3 or more it drops each down to 500 MSa/s.
For me, besides cost, important items are: the minimum signal level (V/div), bandwidth (and flat bode plot type measurements - no peaking), high BW primarily for measuring fast rise times, a big range of measurement and decoding, quality/reliability and company reputation. I worry about aliasing at higher frequencies with ADC sampling. I don't see a lot of reviews looking at the -3dB roll-off nor trying to trigger on and analyze a small (i.e.,
Thank you! I agree, and I want to change my reviews so that I don’t follow the mundane. I want to offer real value. I’ve got some ideas but if you have suggestions, I’d be happy too hear them.
Did you say the GW Insteck has a spectrum analyzer function as well?
Thank you Mr Analog! This really helps.
Glad to hear that! I appreciate you!
In your introduction you said these are not beginners' scopes but are full feature deep memory. Do you not think it’s worth me getting one of these scopes and learning the features as I grow?
Yes Mark - these are great for beginners! But they are not scopes only relegated to the beginner as they will take you into the future as you grow in electronics as well;)
@@KissAnalog Thank you for your reply.
Does that GWI MDO scope have a built in tracking generator?
Yes Paul, it sure does! I’ll demonstrate in a video...
Paul, I uploaded a video on this generator...
ua-cam.com/video/ieU85XfLm1Y/v-deo.html
Hi Eddie I’ve been watching all your videos. Your demonstrations are really cool and also your replies. Thanks for another great video
I appreciate the nice feedback!!
You should make a series on how to use approach grounds in stereo amplifier watts testing like a mini series. Itd help a lot of people.
Thanks for the great idea! I'll do that;)
Thanks. I think the biggest takeaway would be to invest in an isolated non metal floating battery scope so you dont have to buy differential probes. Or what about this secret I found in old tektronix scope manuals, take the ground leads off your 2 probes and use the math function to invert and subtract to create a differential out of your bench scope?
Thanks - I should do a video on grounding and how to use 2 probes to do differential measurements;) Maybe this should be 2 separate short videos so that people searching can find them;)
Any update on this topic? Do you still recommend the same ones?
Thanks for the great question. I have been trying to get 4 scopes to give an update - but it has been difficult. I did find this one - that if you put it against these - I think it is the new winner: ua-cam.com/video/0V7cvx5kRBk/v-deo.html
Great video. Very thorough. Yes, "getting my feet wet". What would be most appropriate for working on audio gear specifically tube amps and radios? Thanks and keep up the great work!
Great question! What would work great is to have a diff probe that can be adjusted for different input voltages (x20, x50, x100). I did a video on comparing two of them, but I've done others as well. ua-cam.com/video/892RcsIUAtU/v-deo.html
Also, my favorite setup would be the PicoScope 4444 that I've done videos on recently. ua-cam.com/video/vFRvdYTCkx4/v-deo.html
Hello, and now that you have the SDS1104X-U that is a better option because it fell in price compared to the video or which one would you choose? good video, greetings!
Great video👍
My OCD is twitching when some writing mHz in stead of MHz
Thanks for sharing👍😀
LOL Thanks for the feedback!!
Awesome information! I’m new to this and I’ve never had an oscilloscope. I’ll check out your newer videos. What oscilloscope would you recommend nowadays that’s 4 channel for audio circuits? (like guitar amplifiers (tube and solid state), power supplies, and guitar pedals/preamps? Thanks again!
Thanks for the great question! There are a lot of great options, but if price is not a big factor then the PicoScopes that I’ve demonstrated are pretty awesome! They are still a great value when compared to the big brands.
There is hdmiport what the function of that port?
Thanks but it is USB port for powering up or for programming
@@KissAnalog thanks but new model dso have hdmi port beside usb port
Yes thank you! I was responding to comments regarding the function generator and didn't notice that this one was in regards to the scope;) The scope has the HDMI for using a larger monitor if you like.
Thank you for this video! Well done but it has made my decision harder haha. Amazon has the siglent sds1104x-e on sale for 399 now. I am getting into circuits and raspberry picos and wearables. I was not sure what to value more, channels or megahertz. I already learned from your previous videos that deep memory is a non negotiable. Seems like you are also conveying that 4 channels is best over megahertz. With that being said, what are your thoughts on the 1104x-e at 399 or is there something else I should consider. Thanks!
Thanks for asking! I think I'd go for this one. The price is close and it has a larger screen with really nice applications that you can run. Check out my GW Instek videos;) amzn.to/3GvzhY1
how is the (audio) noise level GW Instek compare to rigol 1054z? I bought several 1054z and they're way too noisy. I have yet change the fan
Thanks for the info and how you scored the scopes. As a mechanical engineer whose hobby is EE, this is great info.
Thanks for the feedback Cobra! I'm glad it helps;)
I wonder if I could suggest a topic for a future video. I have the Siglent SDS1202x-e scope and have been trying to learn how to decode serial data from the arduino uno UART. Every UA-cam video I've watch tends to leave out something. TIA
cyberwasp461 Thank you - that’s a great idea. I’ll see if I can get it up very soon.
Great info!
Two questions, in what likely scenario do I need more than two channels, and where is a good place to buy GW Instek 1104E?
Thanks - that's a great question! Two channels is great for comparing two signals - like the input and output of an Amplifier. If you had a 3rd channel, you could monitor some other signal and compare it to the first 2, or you can monitor a current at the input or output. With 4 channels, you can monitor both current and voltage at input and output. This would go for a power supply as well. Now with 2 channels, you can use one as a reference and move the 2nd channel around to see basically the same thing, it just takes a little longer. Here's a link to the 2 channel, and from this link you can see the other GW options. amzn.to/3pPknjx
4 channel scopes would also be useful for things like SPI decoding, if they have serial protocol decode. I2C could probably be used on a 2 channel scope.
Thanks for the great video, it was very useful to me! What's your opinion on pc based usb scopes? I'd love to see what you think in a video if you can get your hands on one.
Thanks - great question. I did get two sent to me. They came with good probes and so on - but I have to get the software loaded and try them out. I think it is a pain for my setup to have a laptop on the bench - but I could see how others could set it up so that it would be real nice. I hope to get to this in the next few weeks. Cheers!
@@KissAnalog Much appreciated! In the meantime I ended up buying a PicoScope and even though based on your video I think I chose reasonably well, I'm still not sure how it compares to a regular scope, in terms of bang for buck. Whenever you can spare the time - I'll be happy to see your opinion! All the best
I’d like to hear your thoughts on a 4 channel 200mhz model.
Great question! I keep thinking its time to put out another updated video:) I really like the PicoScopes. You get a lot for your money because the computer display and GPU that runs it is on the computer and not on the scope, so you get more scope for your money and a big screen;) amzn.to/3jANTrT
Or, did your question ask something else?
@@KissAnalog
Thanks...
I’m thinking I want both options.
I’d like a 200mhz 4 channel scope for the bench.
The siglent 1104z-e is impressive with the hack etc.
What I’m missing is... what are the software differences between all the models that you can get.
Quick tip: The siglent will hide the menu if you push the blue button at the end of the main function row.
Thanks - but the Siglent with the blue button only hides the menu but does not recover the screen size - using that menu space. Is that correct?
GREAT VIDEO.......WILL ALL OF THESE UNITS WORK WITH TYPICAL BUILDING POWER LINES, MEANING 60HZ 120 TO 240 VOLTS...........THANKS
Thank you for that great question! They do have universal power supplies to work on120 thru the 240 Vac range. However, the power cords are country/voltage specific, so be sure to get the proper cord when ordering - and double check me to be certain;)
@@KissAnalog SORRY, I MEANT CAN THEY BE USED TO ANALYZE AC CIRCUTS ON BUILDINGS WHICH TYPICALLY RANGE FROM 120 TO 240 AND UP TO MAYBE 640 IF SOLAR SYSTEMS ARE INVOLVED...........
THANKS AGAIN
Yes, but for the higher voltage you can get a 100x probe on Amazon for surprisingly low prices. A high voltage differential probe would be a great option.
Siglent has a menu off button now on 1202e-x
Wow - that’s great! Thanks for sharing that. It really helps make the screen larger.
Thanks a lot! Great help for my next purchase!
Great, and thank you for your feedback! I appreciate you’
@Kiss Analog It's been a long time since I used an Oscope. What applications require the use of an oscope over 50Mhz?
Thanks for the great question! I think there are not a lot of applications for most of us. I think for video digital drivers and fast processors speed is needed, but then you need very fast scopes.
Nice video. I think, ultimately, it shows there's not a lot in it at this price range - esp. if you pay GBP on a 1:1 basis to USD (which we do for "insert nonsensical profiteering reason here".) We could add in the ability to decode SPI/I2C - useful for things like Microcontroller debugging - which the GW Instek doesn't seem to even have as an option and that might bump them even closer together. The sample rate might be worth scoring on: as you (sort of) mentioned, some scopes split it over each channel in use - so 250MSa/s if all 4 (or even 3 like the Rigol); others, like the Siglent, will split it over channel pairs - so 1GSa/s for 1& 2 and again for 3&4 - which makes it useful if you use two channels in this way, and the worst being 500MSa/s. The GW, you say, gives you 1GSa/s on each channel which is pretty amazing at this price level and I'm not convinced - I suspect it gets split if more than 1 channel is being used (they talk about 'each single channel' for sampling rate and 'every channel' for the memory points. I don't know how the Owon compares in this respect, perhaps the same.
I suspect what the deciding factor would be here is (a) price; and (b) usability/how it looks - and I think that the GW Instek would still win on that basis! I don't know though - I quite like the SPI/I2C debugging and the 1GSa/s on 2 ADCs so suspect that I would stick with the Siglent. I just need to persuade the wife that a scope is a cool thing to have!
Thank you! I appreciate the support and great information!! The OWON actually divides the sample rate between all 4 channels, but in this case I think that’s ok. The GW Instek I believe uses 1GSa/s for each, but I’m going to check with them. I’m glad you asked. Also / great point on the Digital Decoding!
I have just purchased a scope in the same price ballpark, but still in transit, so I don't know if it is any good or if it will even be delivered, as it was quite a bit lower then what regional sellers sold it here for..
One important factor for me was no noisy fan, and that is more or less the norm on cheap scopes..
100mhz/1ghs, 80.000wfm, 29mb-memory,3ns-rise,20hz-bandwithlimitH/L, 256k grading.color and that jazz, HDMI, video killed the radiostar, 8". touch, 4 channel.
final price will be a tad over 400 bucks (USD) but its unknown vendor and not a big player.
Will definitely be taking a closer look at your scope-videos when it arrives and hopefully also lean on your knowledge..
I also had a good eye on the Rigol MSO5072 2ch. 70mhz/8ghz, as that, seems hackable 350mhz even channels (4) and can be had for around 1150USD though that would be way overkill for my needs, but the rather dull screen, on that model did let a lot to be desired.
Thx for the video, but what about the analog-like display with a good grading to sense variety.. not something you prioritize.?
Jacob, that sounds like a great scope. It might be from a manufacturer of scopes that go by better known names and they decided to make one under their own name. Let me know the name and what you think of it when you receive it. I do like the persistence especially on a color grade scope, but honestly it isn’t used that often. Analog scopes used that to basically get storage on the screen for a few seconds:).
Hi , What do you think of the OWON XDS 3202 "E" ? are these any good as a scope for radio repairs and trouble shooting ? Thanks for the reviews
I want to like OWON as they do some nice things and the price is great but I need to hear more good feedback before I’d want to recommend it.
Thank you!, I have been using a hantek USB scope and a DS128, with the recent projects I have been working on in the lab it is time to upgrade to a real scope. I came across this scope: Owon SDS7102 which seems to have awesome specs, but it is like 8 years old, still worth buying?
I like the specs on the Owon, so I bought one but returned it. I did a video on this and showed the scope and features. At this price I think I like the Siglent: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XZML6RD/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=kissanalog0a-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B06XZML6RD&linkId=74c6a5a89acd52361f9f35f0e419f389
However, the batter option on the Owon could be huge if you are taking it away from the bench. Let us know what you decide. Thanks for the great question!
@@KissAnalog Thank you :) ... hmm, that is a good suggestion, the Siglent is $558.00 up here for some unknown reason, so 10% more than the Owon. It is faster, and a better name. The only thing I lose is the video out an 1 inch of screen, which would be nice when doing projects for the channel, but I am assuming I can take screen shots to the USB of the wave forms. I will be making the purchase on Thursday, at this point I am leaning toward your suggestion.
Yes there is software to run the scope and to show the screen, but I haven’t tried it yet. Also screen captures can be saved to usb.
@@KissAnalog Perfect, I ended up ordering the Siglent, just waiting for Amazon to deliver it :), will do a hobiest review on my channel once I get it if you are interested.
That’s great - be sure to give us a link so we can see your video! I’m anxious to see it - cheers!
I would love a video of bench oscilloscopes showing its value in diagnosing or troubleshooting. I've wanted one for years but can't see a value past hobby. Realizing no one in arms reach uses one or knows much about them, it's hard to justify buying one. I'm not saying they are worthless but nothing has sold me on what exactly I could use it for that my voltmeter would overlook. My inner nerd wants to justify it, I just want practical uses and benefits.
Thank you for this request. I’ll do a troubleshooting video to see if we need an oscilloscope.
@@KissAnalog there is a bigger appeal to me for handheld dso dmm oscilloscopes. The hantek is cost effective for me but I don't know that they sell a quality product. Having ac dc amp ohm and capacitance is a huge upside in my line of work. That class is the only one I've seen capable of all. A video on handhelds in that $500-$1000 range. I really appreciate the help
My limited experience with Hantek I’ve been impressed. I do have a competing product at a much lower price. I’ll do a video soon.
Would any of these work for auto mechanic applications or would you buy a scope just for auto work only( pico)
That’s a great question! I’d recommend something more compact and portable that has the desired probes. Check this out: amzn.to/3qKzDid
I viewed this vid and looked into the GDS-1104E and I think it is discontinued. I found a GDS-1054B. Looks the like it has the same specs. I subscribed also. Thanx. Great content.
Thank you! I appreciate you! That will be a nice scope. Let us know how you like it;)
Rock on james hetfield!!!!
neri dela peña 😂
@@KissAnalog i thought you're james hetfield😜😜😜😜 just kidding. nice review dude it helps me a lot
neri dela peña That’s awesome! I’m glad it helped!
Thanks for your research, I like the Owon
Rudy Pieplenbosch YW! I do really like the Owon screen. Let us know how you like it when you get it. I’ll put a link to an Owon review that I did, and if you go to Amazon for purchase please use my link, it doesn’t change the price but helps me even if you buy something else. Thank you for your comment!!
do you sing in Metallica?
I do but only in the shower;)
HOW ABOUT ANALOG TEKTRONIX
What oscilloscope brands are made in TAIWAN?
Great question - thanks!
GW Instek are made in Taiwan. Instek is proud of that. I really like mine;)
@@KissAnalog Yes, I finally found that out on a TAIWAN website. I bought the Instek 1202B. It will replace my 40 year old Heath kit scope. I downloaded the manual for the 1202, I don't know what some of the features are..stay tuned!
I think that was a great option! Let us know how you like it;)
@@KissAnalog I love this new oscope! It does things I will never check. It comes with 2 probes and a dvd. I took 3 pages of notes about things I thought worth checking. Still learning...
12:21 About the 50 Mhz Gw Instek, you write the type number as GDS 1104E, but that type designation is for 100Mhz scopes, so it should be more like GDS 1054
Thank you Ondrej, you are right. It should have shown the model GDS-1054B. At 4:25 I did say 50 MHz - thanks for catching that.
You're welcome@@KissAnalog . I was kind of missing protocol decoding and logic analyzer extension with the Gw Instek, like Siglent and Rigol have. Then I watched a bit of your other video, best MDO money can buy... and then I understood... Gw Instek is more geared towards the analog domain, figures that one ends up top on your list, if your name is Kiss Analog... However I am more inclined towards the digital domain, although I still need to see the logic levels, especially between the 3V and 5V domain in order not to blow things up, and FFT is cool to have too, and then I think Siglent/Rigol end up on the top of my list.
Could not find the GE Instek GDS1104E. Found the GDS1202B for 399.00.Does it meet the specks of the GDS1104E.
That's a great scope, but there is a new scope series on the market. I think you might want to see this video: ua-cam.com/video/0V7cvx5kRBk/v-deo.html
And then you can check out the sale price for the 100 MHz version of this scope at this link: uni-trendus.com/collections/digital-oscilloscopes/products/upo1104-100mhz-4ch-dso
Thanks for the reply and the info.
Please let us know if you buy one and what you think;)
Hello! the gw instek does not have decoding right? I think is a useful feature.
Great question! The GW MDO scopes do have decoding, but the lower cost GDS scopes I don't think do. This is a new R version of the GDS series which does have RS232, so it might have the other digital decoding built in as well. Here's the link to check out: amzn.to/2ZXdrFT
Very fair review... personally, I would rate the GW higher simply because it hides the menus and has independent controls, all else being equal...
Thank you! I’d have to agree with you.
Thanks for a helpful and useful video!
Thanks so much!
I'm a hobbyist interested in RF sooo... I guess the Siglents bandwidth is the overriding parameter for me ?? Yes/No ? 🤔
Peter Fitzpatrick I think it is great for a lot of the electronics but for actual rf frequencies you’ll need a spectrum analyzer.
@@KissAnalog I'm not so interested in transmission as reception.... & receiver design... analysing oscillator/mixer & amplification at low levels.. 😎🖕
Thanks for the reply btw... 😎🖕☘️🍺
Peter Fitzpatrick I think the 1202x-e might be better as it has the deeper memory FFT (1M) and has more upgrade options, but the 1202x does have the larger screen. Also, more money but I love the GW Instek MDO series. And I think the 70 MHz is totally good.
You put a lot of good information in your videos, and you clearly know what you're talking about, but a lot of times it seems kinda disorganized. Do you follow a script or an outline or something, or just turn on the camera and riff?
Beside that, thanks for the videos, and thanks for all the great info!
Thanks Edward - I appreciate your feedback:) I am trying to work on that. I hope my more recent videos are a bit more on track;)
Only just starting the video, what stood out immediately was the video quality.
Picture is sharp, clean, clear and natural looking.
Whatever you're recording with, however you're editing/processing keep doing it!
I'd be curious to know.
::edit to add::
DS1054Z owner, had it for a few years now, got it when there were fewer choices.
Have unlocked all the options in mine which is dead easy, so now have 100MHz 24Mpt memory and all the triggers and decoding options.
One thing to note looking at your score sheet is that unless I'm mistaken the Rigol only has 12Mpts memory standard, the 24Mpts is an option.
Sadly it's worth noting the Rigol software is pretty rubbish.
At 800x480 the Rigol screen is 'good', not poor or outstanding.
Some of the features available now make the Rigol less appealing, and the competition is good news for those of us looking for an economy scope.
A few things that have come some way since the 1054 was released are even better intensity graduated displays, better memory depths, FFT and waveform/s.
Honestly not sure what I'd pick now, the Owon does have some clever stuff and a larger, higher res screen. The battery option depending on how much $ could be handy for portable and/or floating use. It's still lousy that so many trigger and decoding functions are 'options', there was a scope released recently that bucked that trend but it's almost 3am local here and my brain is about done.
Cheers!
Thank you! I’ll list my equipment later. I think Rigol is now unlocking all features in that series. Very capable scope. I think a Siglent and GW Instek are great options too. I do like the battery option and sharp screen on the OWON, but the one I had the FFT was not working properly. I hope they have corrected that. Plus the cursors needed some work, but they are fairly new to the game... Do you have any requests for a subject for a video?
The GW Instek control interface looks really similar to RS Pro
It sure does;) I’d bet that it is a rebranded GW Instek. Funny thing is, some models look like the Siglent. Thanks Leslie for bringing this up.
In short, Sklifosovsky) Which of these 4 is the coolest and most professional?
LOL - Actually there's a new player on the block - well kind of new;) Check out this scope it is a great deal amzn.to/3tGZpHU
I have a Rigol 1054z now. I'm wanting to try a different manufacturer in a similar price point and feature set. Any suggestions? I'd like to try the GW Instek but it's my understanding that it doesn't have protocol decode i2c, spi, rs-232, etc...?
Thanks for this question Jeff! The GW instek has different series but basically regardless of the letters they start with they fall into 1000, 2000, or 3000 series. The 1000 series do not do the bus decoding. I like my MDO2204eg as it can also do spectrum as well as bode plots.
Jeff, which producer did you finally choose? :)
@@bodzio_stawski187 I didn't buy another scope. Well actually I did by some Vintage Tektronix a 465B and a 2465A - ceartinly not for the decode! :-)
What is hdmi port for?
Thanks, but I think that is the USB port for providing power, or for programming
Sorry I was thinking about the ARB generator as I was answering other questions and didn’t notice e this comment was about the scopes. Yes the HDMI port is so that you can watch it on a monitor. I haven’t tried it with that scope though.
@@KissAnalog thank u so much sir
nice analysis!
Thanks so much!
Very informative video, however, I would do the evaluation in the following way: I would devide the sum of points of each osciloscope with its price. That way you can get an exact measure how much you pay per each individual point, or functional contribution in the overall set of features...😀 By doing so, you get that a ratio between your money and the features you actually get for it, expressed as [$/point]. According to that metric, the GW Intek GDS 1104E scores best with 13,93 $ per functional point, and the worst value for your money you get from Siglent where each functional point or feature point you pay 18,48 $ per functional point.
That is an interesting idea - thanks duninho100.
You're on the right track I believe but I don't think all features are equally important. Adding more weight to features you feel more important would yield a better over all numeric review.
For example screen size is a pretty low priority one as for example the Siglent has both the option for an external monitor via HDMI as well as remote control over ethernet or USB. In addition the screen sizes aren't really that different in these four scopes that it would make a real difference anyway.
Thanks for the video! Yes, it did help me to choose the scope I need. :)
Taran72 That’s great! What did you decide on?
@@KissAnalog probabily the GW Instech: I deal with low and audio frequency circuits, I can use the 4 channels and want an xy plot mode. This scope has all of these things. I already have one and was considering buying another brand just to have some diversity. But since I don't need the high frequency precision I may just stick to this brand. I do like the touch screen feature of the Owon but it's a little too pricey for my budget. I do this as a hobby.
In my opinion a rather shallow comparison which is missing key features of modern scopes.
If you're an analog guy; The fundamentals/key functionality to look for would be: Bode plotting, SPO and AWG-support.
If you do digital stuff then it's: Serial decoding and memory segmentation.
But foremost and hands-down most importantly is how well the firmware does, SW usability, stability, and if the specified features from the manufacturer is on par with spec or even functions properly...
Big Cheese Thanks for the great info!
And which one of the scopes are on top of your list?
@@jagvillhaenegenmane : I tried saying that for $500 you are very limited. Scope in this range will be limited in features and performance. Your need is what will dictate what you're looking for; What are you going to do and what kind of circuitry will you primarily measure (analogue, digital, automotive, HV...)? You have a need, otherwise you'd not be looking at an entry level scope... Now, what is that need?
Big Cheese Thanks for the reply. I think you’re right but as a newbie looking for an entry level scope it’s hard to know what to put emphasis on. Especially since my knowledge is very limited and I don’t know where this interest will take me. I’d like a scope which allows for growth so to speak.
@@jagvillhaenegenmane : Du borde kunna ringa in det lite mer ändå, trots "being newbie ". Vilket av följande alternativ passar bäst (altså vad ligger närmast, eller det du är mest intresserad av)
1.) Småsignalsystem, larm, lågspänningskort, Arduino, hemautomation, hemprojekt som automatbevattning, byggsatser, radiostyrt.
2.) Starkström, nätdrivna elmotorer, elcyklar, stora batterier. Och/eller mäta och felsöka i nätkopplade apparater (laga TV, tvättmaskin och annat med väggsladd m.m)
3.) Audiofilgrejjer, bygga ljudförstärkare, delningsfilter, tuning av högtalare ljudutrustning och gitarreffekt, leta efter "det perfekta ljudet" och sådant i den kategorin...
So are the oscilloscopes on the iPad fake oscilloscopes?
Eagleoneradiogod Good question. They are pictures of the real ones. The picture of the real Siglent is very similar to the Siglent on the bench. That series has an E following the X of the series I have on the bench. The Picture of the GW Instek shows how it is almost identical in looks to the one that I have on the bench - except for screen size.
Thanks, that helped a lot!
Thank you for the great feedback!
Is the GWInstek 1000E series discontinued? I can only find a 1000B series, 1000-U, and 1000A-U series.
Yes, I think that is correct Alexander. They do have some Sales going on if you contact them directly. Let them know I sent you;)
Ehh I already got the Siglent 1014E (I think that’s the model) i’m still in school and new to using scopes. Super cool video though!
Great scope choice. I don’t think you can go wrong with either;) Let me know if you run into a subject in school that you would like to see in a video - that might be great for everyone;)
Kiss Analog Maybe a talk about frequency domains and signals? I’m getting into Laplace Transformations soon and the math isn’t really a problem, but I don’t fully understand what i’m doing with that math. I know it changes a function of time into a function of frequency but what does that mean and how does that help? I’ve heard a lot of higher ups even that struggle with that topic. I’d greatly appreciate it though! 😊
thanks
Brendan Hayes-Oberst Thanks I appreciate that!
I have owned muliple of each of those brands, I must say I rate them completely different based on usage and signal response.
This does not make me right, its just my opinion based on usage of these generally at the same time. ( tend to work on bigger projects and need to see a lot of signals at the same time, hence multiple scopes. One day I hope to have a set of headless rack scopes :)
I ended up giving my owans and insteks to a hack a day maker space in pasadena. And fyi, I also have owned hantek, worse scope I every owned (there are even worse) any time I tried to make a DC voltage measurement with it, off by .5 to 2 volts.
My Rating: 1: Siglent, 2: Rigol, 3: Instek, 4: owan - I would never buy another owan as the controls knobs and build quaility were bad as well as response to to lcd display
I would have to agree with you. I think it is a toss up between the Siglent and the Rigol though - just because Rigol is giving away a lot of those extras that they used to charge extra for that Siglent included.
Ok so I have become a huge fan of Picoscopes - largely because the software makes them so powerful! You can have multiple screens up and if you are running multiple scopes - I think it would be something to think about. Here is a low cost 2 channel scope: amzn.to/3XXE0qp
Excelente reseña, en especial el siglent, pero... si tu quieres obsequiar a mi de navidad, cualquier marca, soy feliz. Reparo consolas de videojuegos en Colombia. Gracias por compartir conocimiento.
Jorge Rincon I’m glad that you can understand it - it would be great to have you do subtitles;)
Hola Isaias: en que ciudad de Colombia reparas video juegos?
@@phasorphasor2359 Hola, en Bogotá
how has this list aged in 2 years?
Great Question! I've wanted to do an updated video - but the scopes at this price haven't changed that much. I have found some good options though, so I think I'll come out with a new video soon;)
@@KissAnalog exciting!
@@KissAnalog do you think the GW Instek you have in this video is still the best option in this price range?
Great comparison but the rigol is at 320€ and the other ones 450€+++. So I will go with RIGOL one since all upgrades are free 😉 and it is cheaper.
Wow, that’s a great price - especially with the upgrades.
Thanks for the reviews, helps a newbee like me
You’re welcome! And thank you for taking the time to comment. I’m happy to answer any question...
I wouldn't have put that much emphasis on BW, because except the owon(as far as I know) all the others are hackable to their maximum BW and you get all the options for free.
I agree that BW is probably not a big deal. I wonder how manny of us ever really ne more than 50MZ?
So, I don’t have a problem with someone hacking their own equipment, but I’m still not sure where I stand with myself providing instructions on how to do his. What ar your thoughts?
I’m sure Rigol is losing market share. I think their equipment is getting aged. I’ve seen on their website that they now offer all options enabled on older lines. I didn’t know GW Instek was hackable.
The Rigol is easily hacked to be a 100MHz scope. I know mine is.
Thanks for this! I think Rigol is giving the options away for free now to try to keep up with others.
wish these were under 500$ now that im looking they are closer to 700
Wow! What country do you live in?
I think all new oscilloscopes should ditch their screens and opt for external touch panels. Preferably connected with USB C PD cables; one cable for power and data from the scope. I might also suggest doing the same with the controls to break it out to a control surface. You then have a nice compact box with just lead connectors. You can then mix and match controls and screens for your own needs. A small screen could be good for in the field but I think something like a 16 inch screen for your bench is more practical. The actual scope I think would be cheaper.
Thanks for this great feedback! Have you seen this video I just posted? PicoScope 5444 Box Opening - could be your last Oscilloscope ua-cam.com/video/fSnLOsTwOqE/v-deo.html
Whichever you buy, in this range is so-so. I've bough Owon in 2013 for occasional pojects. I think it was not ON longer than 10 hours and now is not working properly anymore. Contacted Owon, no response so be ready for that scenario. I do not know if other Chinese company service is any better than this. Probably you can do something if thing is in warranty and if not, be ready to pay another $500. Think of it as cell-phone: need to buy it every few years, or PC, laptop, whatever. Digital scope is same as other digital 'stuff'. Becomes obsolete quickly and probably won't last forever. When I've bought my Owon 7102 and read about occasional unhappy 'user' I though .. yeah ... I will not be that unlucky. Also I could not get even spare parts if I've wanted to replace main board as I am not even sure what is wrong with it. So I could end up spending few hundred bucks and not fix the problem. So at the end have to accept the reality and maybe go for a new one and kind of like this Siglent - not exactly sure why, but will be good for what I do.
That’s great feedback!!!
I’m sorry for that! I think GW Instek is a good bet for support and great price.
@@KissAnalog Hah ... have to take back at least half what I've said. Owon site messages did not work but email did. After I've sent one I've got quick answer and in three days owon sent me a patch that fixed my problem. So my scope still works as before. But the problem remains: if you apply new firmware it may cause problem and since there is no firmware backup (at least I don't know how to make one) you get stuck as you also do not know what the problem is. You may think it is the hardware issue. Also (apology for talking about different scope here) reason I've went for firmware update was that after going to 'save' and 'record' function my waveform becomes unstable. After updating firmware it became unstable all the time but luckily now i've got two firmwares one I know works fine. Until owon fixes other bug.
pera peric wow - they are trying but I think they are too new in this market. I’m glad yours is working for now. I have hope that they will be better as time goes on...
pera peric Thank you for the update - I’m sure that there are others that you will help with this.
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is that good or bad;)
GDS-1104E - does not exist
Yes you are right - it is the GDS1104B;). Thank you!
@@KissAnalog That one is $700+ .. were you looking at the GDS-1054B which is around $400 dollars? That one also only has one 1Gs/s ADC which gets divided across all 4 channels.
El Jefe @El Jefe. I found the GDS-1054B on Amazon for about $332. My MDO version splits the sample rate when looking at more than 2 channels, so I get the full 1GSa/s with two channels. I’ll check with GW Instek on the GDzS series. But for the 50MHz oscilloscope, even if it divided the sample rate 4x the 250MSa/s still gives 5 samples per cycle which is 2x the min required by the Nyquist criterion. And is equal to the Siglent SDS1104x-E on this video as it is a 100MHz bandwidth. And is twice as good as my Siglent 200MHz scope. Thanks for the great comment!!
I am still leaning towards the 1054b but it is easy to modify to work at 100mhz from what I have read. At that point the sampling is a bit low but only in the fringe case of needing 4 channels over 50mhz
Weird that you can 'review' some of these units without even having them used in real live?
Thank you! I’m comparing specs and I’ve had 30 years plus of using oscilloscopes so not so weird. I’m not talking about build quality or what you might experience in using them, I’m trying to compare using specs. If one car will go 30 miles per hour and the other will go 50 miles per hour - do you have to drive both cars to compare how they will work? No, it is obvious that one will go faster.
@@KissAnalog I understand, but with some cheap oscilloscopes it seems impossible to make a decent measurement, they can just be too inaccurate to measure low voltages. which should be a very basic thing..
(like FNIRSI has a bad reputation in this f.e.)
Yes, I'm sure that there are scopes that have worse specs then the ones I listed here. I chose proven scopes that have good reputations. Comparing specs as I did, the scopes that I show have either 1mV or 0.5mV vertical resolution. The FNIRSI that I looked at has 50mV vertical resolution. So, yes the FNIRSI would not make this list. What FNIRSI model are you referring to? I can take a look.
BTW, you have to give FNIRSI credit for showing this performance in the spec - and not hiding it.
@@KissAnalog The FNRSI is the 1014D model. It seems o be unusable to measure anything blow 1V. I saw a review where an input of 500mV DC was measured by the unit as 145mV... That is how extreme off these measurements are 😳
An oscilloscope is a measuring instrument, so you want one you can trust, or else it's useless..
Wow! I don't have any experience using a FNRSI, so that is one reason - besides its specs - that I didn't even consider it. When a scope has specs so far out from the others - I am skeptical.
I stick with HP-Keysight. A used HP or Keysight for the same money is DEFINITELY better than a cheaply made scope for the same money. The HP stuff was made for industry and had to be utterly the top quality, and thus had the horrible original price. The cheap copies use stuff that is consumer grade and are nowhere near the quality of the HP. Used HP-Keysight scopes in great condition are now regularly available on ebay for bargain prices! Getting a $20,000 scope for $500 is a no brainer.
I agree, I also like the value in used equipment. However, unless you can find a top level brand name - the specs just are not there in regards to deep memory. The high bandwidth and high sampling rate just does not pay rewards without the deep memory. I just got a new Tektronix scope that cost around $25000, and it is hard to get a good pix - both the low frequency ripple across time and being able to zoom in and get a high resolution. For switching power supplies, it is important to see low frequency ripple - and being able to zoom in on fast rise times. A 100 MHz scope is plenty good, but deep memory makes a digital scope look like an analog scope. The GW Inskek MDO series is awesome for this and the Siglent scope seems to be made well enough and has great specs at a low price. Thank you for your great comment!
wtf i thought this was james hetfield
LOL thanks!
expensive oscilloscope below 100MHz does not make sense today. It is all so overpriced.
We should have 500Mhz scopes nowadays but still stuck in dark ages...
Browarus Pierogus Thanks for the comment! I completely agree that the big scope manufacturers are way overpriced! At work we use scopes that cost in the 10s of thousands. So these scopes with these features for $500 or less, comparatively, are great deals.
The major cost driver is the input stage - look at the price jumps 100-200-500mhz... I went Siglent 2 ch 200Mhz... but really most home users do not need above 100mHz. I want to do switching work with MOSFETS and IGBT - so I had 200Mh min - wanted 4 channel, but could not swing the 2x price.
Browarus Pierogus I agree #windadct, great choice! Thanks for the feedback!
TO RICH FOR MY BLOOD.WHY DO YOU NEED FOUR CHANNELS?
Great question! I think 2 channels are fine, but this was meant to offer a scope that you would likely never want or need an upgrade. However, if you are looking at your output and input voltages, but you also maybe want to monitor your inrush current with a current probe, then 3 channels would be needed - or you simply take the measurement twice and move the probe.
jash21222 Thanks for the comment - you make some valid points!
Also, in circuits that have both analog and digital sections, it can be advantageous to view an analog signal against the the digital signals that either control it or react to it. 2-channels can make this rather difficult.
bryede great point - thanks!
It cannot be done better from a scientific point of view, although you need to assess the box and the colors of the cables from 1 to 5 as always. From an adult point of view I have laughed a lot.
LOL thanks for your feedback!
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Do you think these scope don't match up to each other? Is there one that you like better?
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$400 = 40,000 rupees i dont want it