OffTheCuff with Prashant Kishor, Political strategist talking with Shekhar Gupta & Neelam Pandey
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- In an exclusive interview to ThePrint's Editor-In-Chief Shekhar Gupta and Senior Associate Editor Neelam Pandey, political strategist Prashant Kishor opens up about his plans for the future, forging an opposition alliance against the BJP in 2024, and his beef with the Congress party.
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00:00-00:53: Welcome to The Print OTC With Prashant Kishor
00:53- 03:04: Who is Prashant Kishor?
03:05-04:20 : How do you decide who to work with?
04:21-07:49 : Does PK have an ideology?
07:50- 09:13: PK's tryst with Modi
09:13-10:52: On working with parties of differing ideologies
10: 53- 12:46: On being called a 'BJP agent' by Congress
12:47-13:50: Malnutrition is yet to be solved in Gujarat!
13:51-18:31 What went wrong between PK and BJP/Modi?
18:32-21:14: Will you take the plunge into active politics?
21:15-21:51: What are your principled differences with BJP?
21:52: 23:24- Is Amit Shah really the 'Chanakya' of Indian politics?
23:25- 28:05: What are the strengths of the BJP?
28:06- 31:33: What are the 3 weaknesses of BJP?
31:34- 33:05: What are PK's political plans for Bihar?
33:05-38:09 : Is there a frustration with the Congress?
38:10-42:09: What about Congress' 20% vote bank?
42:10-47:06: Opposition fighting opposition to revive the opposition?
47:07-50:08: Who can be the face of opposition against Modi?
50:09-54:44: Can anybody challenge the BJP on Hindutva?
54:45-55:44: Who can be Indian politics' Chandragupta Maurya?
55:45-59:32: Unimaginable that Congress can't counter 'anti-national' tag
59:33-01:02:06: Congress almost conceded Sardar Patel's legacy
01:02:07-01:04:06: Who after Modi for the BJP?
01:04:05-01:05:29: What is PK's ambition in life?
01:05:30-01:06:06: Conclusion
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"Elections are not only to elect government, elections also elects the opposition" well said
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Upsc aspirant like i will write it in electoral reforms 😂😇
@@pritam7396 😂
@@N0338 to be a very r
Well in that case, Congress is legitimate leader of opposition with second heighst seats after bjp
The amount of knowledge PK has about Indian politics is simply mind blowing. His answers were brutally honest. This was one of the best interviews which covered a wider scope. I do miss this quality interviews in Indian media. Thank you The Print.
I agree man. Amazing data and facts hebhas
It should not be considered anything out of ordinary, it's his job to know all these details.
He's just really really good at what he does.
This should be the gold standard for everyone in India to be proficient in their field of work.
Honestly I didn't find anything he said groundbreaking. We all know this. His real strength is implementing ideas on ground. But it's still facinating to listen to PK.
Best thing about PK is he never underestimates people's wisdom. He knows where to look for factual and important data between all the meta narratives and Polarisation
I am not agree with you, he is very dangerous person in this world as political strategist, I am from Andhra Pradesh India. He implement very worst strategies in AP. After 2 year of election there is no peace 🕊️ in my State.
I love the way when P.K. says "money, resources, government and then there is Amit Shah" 🤣🤣 He is simply awesome.
Give Time stamp
28:45
An exhilarating 1 hour. I wished the conversation never end. Such clarity of thought in PK. Thank you Print team.
Nice
My question for PK is how do we save democracy from Mamata once Mamata saves democracy from Modi?
Bruh!!! 😂😂😂😜😜
Arvind 😂
@@siddhampandey Kejri is worse than all combined as he's a spineless thali ka baighan!
@@gaganbhattacharya9890
Somehow across all political lines .. deep inside face value me you won't accept..
There's a deep frustration against kejriwal.. because he has defated them twice with more than 90% seats in Dehli.
That's the truth
@@ragnar6592 Hmmm... that can be debated but overall, the real reason for Kejriwal's victory is GST!
Really a good interview, I saw a bunch of interviews of pk in the past week which was concentrated on him becoming a politician or promoting didi etc but here they let him speak his mind rather than just attacking him.
so if u see timesnow channel they are going to attack him . they want to take out from his brain his plans. some channels are investigators of ruling party.
This man is too smart for a breaking-news-seeking novice like navika or any other anchor
@@vsx862 u got soft ? you need to look at the context. PK is not minister in bengal. he is not CM. so that question he will easily avoid. you can ask same questions to modi next time you meet him.
@@vsx862 good point
@@vsx862 ha ha ha ha. Abhishek banerjee is relative of mamata not pk. also idea is abhishek runs bengal and mamta runs india in future. simple.
Prashant's way of looking at Indian politics is refreshing. His views on the present Congress highlights the sheer incompetence in the party leadership. Wish we could have many more people like Kishor coming up in Indian politics.
Yes I would agree. He is really good.
Mr. Gupta is the person who Concocted fake story of army revolt when congress was in power. He is worste person always talk rubbish.
Prashant's way of loking at politics is cynical to say the least . In Hindi people like him are called "Kiraye ke Tattu "
PK understands politics very well. No wonder he is the most sought-after strategist.
Nobody knows who is he & what is his intention ?
Even if one doesn’t agree with his political ideology, which is fine- everyone has their own, we have to agree his analysis is absolutely spot on.👏
As he has s said, he subscribe his ideology from the preamble of beloved constitution of India. I'm surprised to see you don't agree with him, that would be anti constitution.
@@TheOpposition spot on. :)
@@TheOpposition most of the fans if BJP don’t like constitution. They hate it because it does not contain Hindu sharia (Manusmriti).
@@PandeyYaar the change you talk about is the messing up with the core values of Constitution which is totally unacceptable.
@@TheOpposition lol constitution allows marital rape. Are you in favor of it? Dipshit.
Totally impressed with his vast knowledge and explanation about present political scenario in India. The opposition parties really need to see this interview.
Dr. Shashi Tharoor is amazing
Very insightful interview that reveals how the mind of a political strategist works. I wish Neelam was given more space to ask questions though.
I agree. She should have been allowed to ask more questions.
I think he wanted but couldn’t resist
I disagree. One with the fire in the belly should stand up for herself.
Agree.
PK has got the pulse of the nation. His ethics, values, philosophy, thoughtfulness and clarity of thoughts are unusual to find in humans today.
Madam, you are impressed too early with his articulation, he is pure business man, he and his team IPAC has developed election model from his experience since 2014 election. Since then helping different parties to win election based on his number crunching machine. You will not find him an opinion on any government policy, or thoughts on nation, how to move nation ahead. He gives analysis on election results and how one party should campain to win election. He denied multiple times in many interview to be called himself strategist but most of interview revolves around strength and weakness of different political parties and how one should win election against BJP.
He is sure in limelight since WB election results and pastor boy for many parties. But not very much welcomed in Congress, reasons known to him and people in congress.
He will support and work with anyone for money.
Yes you are right
@@yogeshparikh4249 You are 200% right bro.
This is dangerous for electoral democracy if you are right
This will create power centre outside parliamentary system
Supreme clarity of thought when he wants to lend it and to obfuscate when it suits him. Great guy and it is a pleasure listening to him dissecting the Indian political landscape!
Excellent analysis. No wonder he is so sought after.
@@satyasharma1578 I agree with you that dividing Indians by any measure is wrong. This is what the British did and ruled over us for centuries. This phrase 'minority appeasement' was created by the right and gets thrown around a lot but my question to you is can you tell me exactly what Congress or other major opposition parties have done in terms of policies to appease to minorities? No party can become a major political party in India if it was just meant to appease minorities.
@@satyasharma1578 Why is BJP anti-minority? Polarization on religious lines is something that BJP is known for. No one does it better than them.
If one comes to think of 7 years BJP rule, if anything they have followed consitution the maximum... that any previous rule in the last 70 years.
All these years (even now) other parties made false promises, looted tax payers money in Corruption, took care of only their families (Congress, Farooq Abdulla,PDP, TMC, YSR, Lallu, DMK). Mamata is on killing spree in WB. Are all these constitutional?
such a clear visioned, outspoken, charismatic person. I love to hear him
Definitely a great interview. Prashant Kishor is an expert. He is politically neutral that's why he managed to work with different political parties of different ideologies.
He is very intelligent. Shekhar Gupta is of course a veteran journalist and highly respected.
He is not politically neutral. He worked with BJP and something went wrong after that between him & BJP. That's why he is willing to work with anyone against BJP.
He looks impatient and desperate to defeat BJP. Its unfortunate that intelligent people like him would go to any extent to pull someone's leg who is honest and nationalist.
People whoever is against Parshant Kishore about his views, ideology must listen this interview. Not even for one second you skip his views…Very well said
Atleast a jatt sikh not trying to portrait a “pandat “ as
demon.
One of the best off the cuffs to date. Loved every second of it.
I second it. Great episode.
Me too.
bhai off tthe cuff nahi...kishore answers are making the interview worth it !!!
@@vsx862 Stop and think what you are typing instead of copy-pasting it everywhere.
@@vsx862 congratulations! BJP has successfully brainwashed you. It's funny that we Hindus survived for 5000 years but we are suddenly in danger since the last 7 years. That is what BJP wants you to think so you keep voting for them and unfortunately some gullible people fall for it. Hoping you will wake up some day :)
Finally I am happy. I suggested an Off the Cuff with PK way back in July via email. Happy to see that materializing. Thanks ThePrint
Prashant Kishor is one of the brightest minds of India. His astute understanding of the Indian politics is way more than than many politicians and political analysts put together! . He should inspire and nurture young talents at grass-root levels beginning with his home state, to help create an ideology- driven and committed youth power in the years to come.
I’m watching this episode third time and the best line in this interview is “Best Politics is Right action“ .. very short and has very deep meaning in it.
This line said by mahatma gandhi
@@hansrajkarwasara2676 yes I agree but how many of our politicians say this in public nowadays ?
@@vvgame yes this is true
Excellent clarity on Indian political landscape. Loved watching the interview.
Best political interviews ever to understand Indian National politics .. Shekhar Gupta, Neelam Pandey and Prashant Kishor .. Awesome Trio who can assemble and understand Indian political puzzle
Perhaps the best interview I have heard in the recent past.interviewer talked less and the interviewed allowed much more space
The man knows his craft, and it is visible in the way he carries himself during the interview; not that we had a doubt. Thank you #theprint for bringing him on OTC.
One of the best political interviews, loved every second of it.
With great power come great responsibilities #PK
This is the first interview of Mr. Kishore, I have ever watched.
Name it "THE OPEN CUFF".
Thankyou Mr. Gupta and Neelam.
Mr. Kishore has very clear vision for democracy and Indians love to have more and more people like him to keep the democracy of our country alive and kicking.
thankyou again for all three of you the hour of this interview passed in seconds.
Your audacity to stress on democracy is on another level. Just because the party you don’t like is winning don’t simply mean there is no democracy in India. BJP is winning/losing based on the public vote and they are not a monarchy like most of the Islamic countries. Seems to me, You don’t like a hindu party and that’s the end of it. You don’t really give a fuck about democracy and shit.
@@the69prophet47 would you like a Muslim party?
@@the69prophet47 Will you be okay with AIMIM? Come on! 😂😂😂
You should see his another interview with Karan Thapar it's epic
One of the best interview.
Right questions by SG
Straight forward answers by PK
Simply brilliant personality. Just like to keep listening him, the way he decodes
Nothing gets to people's heart more than words spoken with great care and love . Prashant Sir you "walk the talk" keep it up.
I like Prashant for his refreshing and down to earth analysis of Indian politics and Shekhar for eliciting the right answers. However, my disappointment is the lack of real issues that experts like PK should be advising the political parties on like health services, sanitation, economic and social inequality, employment etc., as their main issues (hope he has done this but did not come out in the interview). Politics in India has all become how to gain power, no matter how it is done.
P]oo
Sir he is a business men you are expecting too much.
Sir, many of the issues mentioned by you are actually guaranteed by the Constitution of India to each and every citizen. They need not be in the form of electoral promises, nor should they vary depending upon which dispensation is holding office. But the sad fact is, that after 75 years we are still grappling with these basic issues and not doing much to ameliorate the living conditions of people, down to the last man/woman. The only way out is for citizens to make it happen by all means.
Ugg the
You will never find this in any of his interview, nor you will find his opinion on any good policy from either BJP or Non BJP parties. Nor you will find his thought on nation, he is pure business man helping parties to win election based on numbers and purely politics.
Just watched 3 recent back-to-back interviews of Prashant, TOI, Times Now and then this one!!
Must say this one was the best!! Shekhar ji never disappoints.!
Though you can go to Navika ji for some entertainment.
And the best part is that inspite of a lot of content being congruent across these interviews,one can just listen to Pk for more than an hour and not get bored.There is so much political gyaan in these odd 180 minutes that this should be broadcasted as a lecture to all opposition parties.They don’t need an advisor if they just dissect this interview with utmost diligence.
Hats off to Shekhar Gupta. In a single sitting I have seen Prashant Kishor's multiple interviews with Karan Thapar, Srinivasa from NDTV, Barkha Dutt and then this one. No one was able to make Prashant as comfortable as he was in this one. A lot of the others were combative and searching for headlines probably. Lessons to learn in journalism if you compare the 4 interviews...
I admire ,respect Prashant kishore's ability, wisdom and expertness regarding voter's conscious.
He has mastered below the belt politics and became a billionaire in his own way . But i doubt if the parties he helped are doing sensible governance after winning elections. There lies a flaw.
This is the only interview which I have watched every moment of words. PK talks only things which matters. Print has done great job by choosing him to interview.
Brilliant! Thank you Mr. Gupta for this engaging and eye opening interview.
Thanks to The Print or this interview.
Very interesting discussion, especially the point about Congress sitting on 20% vote.
After listening to this discussion, I am even more convinced that Mamata Banarjee's actions in Goa and the North East has Prashant Kishor's imprints on it.
This was a great interview, thoroughly enjoyed it & got to learn a lot from it as well, I could also watch & would truly appreciate a 9 hour extended discussion between the three of you on Indian politics (in broken up parts ofcourse 😅) Thanks ThePrint team
Ab Neelam puchhegi..... Ab Neelam puchhegi....
Please shekhar let Neelam go ahead.
Every Congress party meets should play this
pappu party won't do sensible stuff
@@mani92__ only Feku will learn
This is the 10th time I’m listening to it! One of the best conversations packed with knowledge ❤️
PK is astute, data-based and nuanced. True, Opposition needs to claim the power that resides with it. Thank you The Print for this brilliant guest.
That's why he is the most sought-after political strategist.
This interview is totally awesome.... Will be waiting for another conversation with Prashant kishore.
This is so badly taken interview. U should watch the india todays 2hrs long interview of pk.
This guy is way too brilliant to sit on the sideline. Speaking out an thought imagine if he is taking on Congress so that Congress can put up a better fight even to represent opposition would such a master stroke…
So, the only loser is Congress. PK has nothing to lose.
@@daredevil30000
Correct
Looks like u r congress supporter .. pk clearly said leaders win or loose
We won't let anyone defeat BJP
@@indiauncovered5960 yes ; onus is on us to keep these anti hindu ppl at bay.
We are seeing Next priminister of INDIA...
I must have watched this interview 4 times or more. B'coz PK's analysis is so convincing and every time, you can read between the lines. Great, great interview
Finally someone is talking about congress's inefficiency.
Thanks Shekharji for asking my question in your own words !
Do keep sending us your questions, Himanshu!
A truly brilliant political conversation. Replete with exceptional insights.
Always pleasure to watch this man. One of the best political analysts.
The real political scenario of past, present and future. so vividly explained by this extraordinary personality .
And the fact is more Modi supporters listen to this interview to know about their upcoming challenge
The ultimate feather in one's professional cap is when your rivals follow your work out of respect. I'm sure it's a great feeling much more than money and stuff.
Jai Modi
@@sudhirbector that proves a poll strategist creates more intrest than opposition leader. That proves capabilities of opposition.
he's the most intelligent Indian i come across on UA-cam
Woah ❤️ such a political gem 💎
Thank You The Print for bringing this interview. SG and PK 👌👌
A really good interview after a long long time. Not only from you but from any other interviewer.
Further its good to know a person and his way of thinking, leaving out many differences.
PK is far far ahead of many Lutyens journos and Andolanjivis in understanding politics..
Andolanjivi mane monoj ji?
When a bhakt tells he is a bhakt without telling you he is a bhakt
And will probably soon outdo the sasta chanakya and Camerajivi too.
@@aviralmittal89 only a liberandu would reply to such a pleasant comment
True that
Mind blowing. Thanks to Print. Brutally honest analysis from PK. Thanks to SG as well
Really enjoyed this interview. Hope to see more of Prashant Kishore on the print.
Brilliant questions and answers ..just loved the conversation 👍 for the first time I watched a political discussion for 1 hour.
I would advise not to make judgements about anything with first time experience. There is another saying, dont judge the half read book! Way to go....
Very engaging and thought provoking interview..
No matter what your political ideology is this OFF THE CUFF is for everyone to watch.
I wish CongressMen watch it first to get some wisdom
Read Shashi Tharoor interview today on Indian Express. I think Congress is listening. Whether it will implement is another matter
@@chothazonienu3836 Okay which page on IE?
@@AyushGupta_3103 sorry, yesterday. Idea Exchange Page 14
It was my best one hour spent watching this interview. I am smitten by both PK's clarity of thoughts n the killer smile of the pretty lady.
Interesting interview and it confirmed what we already know now - DO NOT LET THE HINDUS UNITE - divide the Hindus and rule is what matters like it did in the past, nobody questions if there is anything wrong when all Muslims/Christians vote anti bjp and whether that is right or wrong but dividing the Hindu vote is what matters.. this is exactly why we’ve been ruled for hundreds of years cz of the Hindus never uniting for a cause. Doesn’t matter if the bjp is delivering to the last person or not, whether they are a democratically run organisation or not.. all that matters is that they need to be defeated cz they stand against the discrimination of Hindus in a Hindu majority country cz everyone else appeases others on their behest. In our country only a Hindu is expected to be secular and while all other religions can remain non secular cz that is freedom of religion. Rules of secularism only apply on the Hindus LoL
Bro is this all u got from this video...did u not here anything he said..hypernationalism...divisions ans isolationist politics is what bjp does under the garb of democracy...what a joke
@@MrAtomicant what is hyper nationallism and its impact on development of country? Nobody stopped congress from responding to 26/11 , buying weapons for ten years, making weapons, nothing bed in wanting country to be assertive,
@@varunkhugshal9049 being assertive is fine but not at the cost of your citizens/minorities and especially not by being authitarian ans forcing your ways upon people
@@MrAtomicant forcing your way on people? Sounds like you are talking about conversions, we don't do that here
@@MrAtomicant lmao what is gov forcing on its citizens give me one example
Prashant Kishore's strength of understanding and clarity of analysis (and also of Shekhar Gupta's for that matter) comes from his never losing the focus from the core principles of political discourse. With that direct mooring with fundamental anchors, he can make detached analysis with greater effectiveness which can help in bringing a change in a desired direction.
The best political interview till date on OTC! It was treat to hear Prashant...! Great job Shekhar for bringing in such a personality and having a best conversation....
Wow! Wow! Wow! This is such an amazing interview, in-depth knowledge of PK on Indian politics and his style of explaining it so clearly was on full show because the interviewers were not cutting them off!
So insightful ! This interview is definitely a lesson for everyone interested in Indian Politics. Simply brilliant ! Well done The Print
The best off the cuff I have seen. Simply captivating !
Wow! What an insight into Kishore’s mind and thought process. Even if he denies it, he seems to be a great strategist. So outspoken and fact-backed. Great work The Print team.
This interview is not that detailed as compared to the one given to india today. U should also watch that one too its 2 hrs long
Fantastic interview! 1 hour plus just flew by. Thank you Print and Shekhar ji.
Amazing. No wonder this guy has such a good success rate. One of the best off the cuff !!
This sir seems to answer even 8 interviewers at a time, it is what we call in Telugu as ashtavadanam. Great PK sir
Well informed and intelligent guy! Good to see two really intelligent group are battling for India. At least nobody from outside is controlling anything.
One of the brilliant interview so far on indian political space..amazing
Excellent analysis by Prashanth Kishore. He will succeed in any area except politics.
Why is that ?
@@anshumandwivedi4528 He is too straight forward, in my assessment.
Kudos to Shekhar Gupta and The Print team. What a Phenomenal episode with Prashant Kishor !
Prashant Kishore is articulate and hands down one of the best political minds in the country.
This man Prashant Kishore has such a clear vision and opinion !! He is less political and diplomatic while answering and answers right back !!
Leading the opposition to fight the opposition to revive the opposition!!
Ya that was pretty cool.
Good interview, But PK is very smart- Smart enough to masquerade his bias/ ambitions as qualified political acumen.
So much to learn about the insights. Among the finest interviews that remained objective throughout and no beating around the bush. Thank you Prashant and The Print🙌
Mind blowing speech by Prashanth Kishore ji. We loved every second of it. Well said. Salute to The Print and it's team.
Eagerly waiting.
Great conversation, no words to describe. It could be 9 hours talk during flight, I would have been watching for 9 hours.
Same here :)
Fantastic conversation, enjoyed to the core, thank you Sekhar Ji, for providing us with this kind of content
This guy can be a perfect PM Candidate.Now he knows people of many important states.
Superb... You should have done a two part. This guy is brilliant
Ya I agree on the brilliant part and that one seems to never have enough of him. On PK's part though I 'm almost certain that he has nothing more to say at this point of time. In that sense the interview was comprehensive. I'm further of the opinion that he's the sort of person who takes a lot of time for his insights to formulate and only then share them publicly ; and boy does he do that with conviction. Please notice the long intervals of absence from the media. My instinct is that these gaps are when the ideas/ insights are getting formulated or germinating so to speak.
Congress focused on a single family. Named streets etc on the members of one family. Ignored people like Patel. That is why it is so easy for BJP to appropriate Patel.
@Vikas they didn't hate him but they feared him because they thought that rao and his legacy can replace Gandhi's place in congress
@Vikas manmohan singh was finance minister at that time
'People like us are highly overrated'. Love his honesty. I used to dislike this guy. But after this video, I am a fond lf him. Thanks ThePrint
One of the architect of destroying Indian democracy
🙏🏽🌹Very important talks 👌
प्रशान्त किशोर के लिये उपयुक्त शब्द "राजनीतिक सहयोगी"👌
That's great insight from Poltical Advisor PK..
Wow.Whatever clarity of thought PK brings in and some very interesting observations on the political landscape.
Keeping politics aside.. This guy shoots sense into all of us as to how to strategically plan for our life.. I mean how plan to attain success again and again. Or if we fail, how to introspect and
1) how to play on other's turf. Other's here mean situation beyond our control.
2) how to play better on our turf.
Hats 🎩 off boss...
Really brother your take on this interview is very commendable
Love you my brother
This comment is the thought provoking
Sorry brother for my English
Shekhar Gupta jee, you are interviewing a brilliant man. Learn to respect such genius people. Politics is not your sole-proprietor ship.
Most engaging Off the Cuff so far. Thank you The Print and Thank you SG.
Never in my wildest dreams I would have imagined someone asking the country's premier political strategist about SUCCESSION.
P.S. Great content as usual.
Succession the show??
@@parikshitshukla2245 yeah
@@wrestlinginfodude2644 can u post the time stamp brother? Thanks.
@@parikshitshukla2245 1:02:05
One of the best political interviews I have watched in a long time.
I am enlightened to hear Shri Prashant Kishore. Excellent Enterprising Emerging Evolving Political Endeavor 💐🙏
PK : When Prashant helped Jagan mohan Reddy in 2019, there was no NDA in Andhra. TDP break away from BJP well before 2019.
@@dpatel6666 well he rightly said that BJP is occupying congress's place in Telangana... thats a strong praise isn't it?
@@dpatel6666 Yes BJP's presence in south is more than what PK want to reveal.. I see RSS trying to reach hard into remote areas of south India. However there is a better chance for congress to revive in atleast in rural Telangana than BJP, but I got ur point👍
@@arafathshaik9209Do you expect congress to do this, with the current leadership and every popular leader leaving party?
@@arafathshaik9209 definitely congress will be revived in Telangana ,all you need is to fight for your rights
PK collaborated with ycp from Nov 2017 AFIK.
Such a good interview! Thank you. I have been a big admirer of Prashant Kishore for a long time for his immense political understanding, ability to communicate & explain a point of view and most importantly his sensibility to appreciate / acknowledge the good & the bad, even if it's about an entity/party/individual with whom he differs - I think it's a great quality. And I genuinely wish, from the bottom of my heart, that some day this person joins/forms a political party, wins elections and becomes the prime minister of India.
Political advice is one thing and putting it into practice is entirely an another matter. Doubt if he would be able to win an MLA or MP seat.
What an amazing conversation! Shekhar rightly said, one can keep watching this for 9 hours!
Great interview with a great personality. Appreciate his clarity in his thoughts 👏👏. I wish the interview was never ended.