Dude idk why people think that. This dude is one of the greatest route runners in history. He just didn’t run those smaller routes because you don’t get a Lamborghini to do what a Cadillac can to do
Moss is one of the smartest WR's and best route runners on top of being freakishly athletic. He is the greatest WR talent period. You saw what he could do past his prime with a great QB in NE. Imagine him playing with Peyton Manning or Tom Brady his whole career. You're talking about 200+ TDs and countless other records. The guy could not be covered one on one.
@@bsdavis011 At this point I've lost count of how many times I watched your videos on Randy Moss. Top quality from play, angle and broadcast commentary selection, good/fitting music when it has it, and it seems a lot of stuff you can't find anywhere else. Whenever I miss football, these are the only highlights I watch since about 2016. Amazing job, can't praise you enough.
@@dwightlove3704 Jerry Rice used stick-um the banned adhesion that will result in a suspension if caught, even today. Rice ADMITTED to using Stick-em. That disqualifies him from this conversation. Moss was way more gifted than Rice. Rice wasn't throwing up hid hands 4 yards before reaching the corner, he didn't have that kind of speed. Sorry.
Moss fanboys keep saying this crap, and yet there is plenty of of footage of Moss getting owned 1v1. ua-cam.com/video/z7hsZvpdvRA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/kSgLNeuV_tM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/rYap2YVdLFE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/GiEThX3gqCk/v-deo.html
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Fred Biletnikoff used Stickum in the '70s why is Rice being called the KING of Stickum and everyone knew that Biletnikoff used it before him.Rice did throw his hands up letting Young or Montana know he had the opposing DB beaten.
@@xaviervega468 Sehorn was said by Strahan to be the best athlete on the Giants squad prior to his injury.Brady overthrew Moss which was shocking to see I did not think that was possible.
Moss has great techniques - listed above. Moss’ workout for 49ers: At one point Harbaugh completed 44 of 45 to Moss - Harbaugh calls for Moss to run a post; Moss runs the post but has to come to a stop to catch the pass. Coming back Moss asks: ‘Did you take five or seven (steps) on that?’’ "Harbaugh: ‘I took seven - I should’ve taken five,’ “Very, very astute by him,” That's how high Moss’ football IQ is. NFL WR have 3sec to win vs DB or QB is on the ground. Moss wins & runs like a Gazelle.
Moss is the GOAT. These haters are on a sentimental coke binge when they bring up Rice like he didnt have more advantages than any WR to ever exist. Dude played with 3 QBs who won MVPS, Pro Bowls, and All Pros on stacked teams (both sides of the ball), with a genius coach. Moss is the GOAT.
I like how you included some time with the raiders he was clearly open and didn't get the ball. The whole idea that he quit is ridiculous. He had a series of completely incompitant QBs. They couldn't even run the randy go get it plays.
Did you play offense or defense in high school? Many times the defense dictates which pattern you run; depending on the play called against nickel D with a safety high, running from the slot, you may need to run a deep hook, fly or skinny post 7:58...so yes a skinny post, a hook or can be an indication of proper route running 9:00. Sometimes on an out, flag or deep post a simple head fake may be the most important part of the route. 5:57, 9:12. What do you consider a route?
@@BillyJack85 Or maybe because the only people that "you got Mossed" are millennials. I NEVER heard anyone say that term. I would take both Rice and Larry Fitzgerald over Moss. He and TO are fighting out for the 3rd spot.
@@BillyJack85 what are you basing it on. & mind you I'm a Moss fan. my 2nd favorite player ever. for you to say he's the best is ridiculous. there is a clear cut #1 and whatever your debate is the only leg you have to stand on is Go routes, vertical and jump balls & speed which means dick when we count it all up every other aspect about football, Jerry Rice trumps him
@@xaviervega468 Maybe because the only people playing in the school yard when Moss was around WERE millennials?? Did you figure that one out all on your own, Einstien? I'm sure you'd take every other wide receiver who's ever played in the NFL over Moss. That dont surprise me. You obviously got some kind of beef with him. You're looking like Stan right now with all these comments. You need to take a break. Fitzy is literally Moss's ball boy and Rice couldn't hold a candle to Moss, pound for pound.
Coaches praise him for his football IQ, he's not all physical talent. I'm glad he's a HoFer. Moss is really a generational talent, and one of the best WRs to ever play.
That route at ~ 0:46 was MONEY. If the ball had come out sooner he'd have been gone. A lot of these clips show how good a boundary receiver Moss was too (being aware & tapping toes) - probably b/c he learned from the best-ever at that (Cris Carter. Randy Cross played with Rice and he said Cris edged out Jerry in that aspect).
who gives a fuck if he cant run pre practiced routes... even when dbs knew he was going straight they couldnt cover him. he is by far the greatest deep threat ever.
@One Ace "Get clamped" LMAO. You're a clown. Moss was the 6th receiver in NFL HISTORY to ever post back to back 100 reception seasons. He is the ONLY receiver to ever post 1600+yards 16+ tds in a single season (the only WR in NFL HISTORY to ever average 100 yards and 1td or more in a game for an entire 16 game season). You do NOT get that many catches without being able to run the complete route tree. Moss would DOMINATE every single WR you mentioned and every single one of those WR would WORSHIP Moss, who, according to Brian Billick, was double and triple teamed more times than any WR in history. John Lynch said that the Tampa -2 Defense was really crafted to stop Moss because he killed Tampa every time they played Cover 1. Moss is the freakiest WR ever and according to Bill Belichick "was the most intelligent receiver I've ever coached." ANY NFL scout would tell you Moss could run the complete route tree. Dig routes, post routes, every route. The thing is...He ran a 4.2 forty at 6'4 almost 6'5, he was known universally as the "SuperFreak" for a reason.
one of the only WR in NFL history that actually made DB's look like children. Moss is just amazing, I only hope he comes back for another year. great vid's, thanks for posting.
@@troyhaskins3863 We have to define shut down. In this post Jerry clearly had good games vs Deion who, according to this post, only went against him 1v1 once time.
Man I love video's like this that actually show tecnique and the in's and outs of the game of football instead of highlights just glorifying a player, can you please make one about defensive backs(cornerbacks particularly) showing what they do on every play. How they move their hips, the techniques they use to cover stuff like you did with this video.
those years in oakland jeez.......i can remember the first year they were on tv alot.......and i remember thinking what the hell is kerry collins doing.......hes right there! throw it to him! lol why did tom brady throw 50 tds ina season? because he knew he didnt have to wait for randy moss to get open to throw it to him
The route against Da Bears around the 6:50 mark was beautiful ran the safety off while beating the corner on his release, it look like they were playing zone principles but still beautiful nonetheless
Its obvious pbskids4000 doesn't understand that a fade is just as much a route as a slant or any other pattern. When Moss runs a deep post pattern to beat the corner and jumps over a safety to catch the pass pbskids4000 thinks its a fade because Moss went over a guy to catch the ball. After watching the video you'd think he'd be impressed by Moss' gifts but as is typical of Moss haters they wont even believe their own eyes.They've been playing this game 90+ years ad Moss is one of the best ever
This video doesn't do a good job showing that he's a good route runner ... But in general he isn't asked to run the whole route tree. He runs outs, curls, skinny's and go's
Please state where I "backpedaled". You say that most of his passes are not deep, but if you had any football knowledge you would realize how stupid of a comment that would be. First, I never said Randy Moss couldn't run routes. I was showing my hate towards the video which was poorly made. Second, Randy Moss isn't a situational player, which means he can't go deep every play. That statement is too wrong for me to disprove in one comment. I'm not even going to bother.
The defense often dictates the route especially when you're consistently double & triple covered; just as QB's do WR's must read defenses as well. At 2:02 notice Moss said he read the defense "corner was down, safety was back to the right" and a LB was underneath. Moss was triple covered so he ran the route he needed to to get open and Brady read the same thing...TD. Every pattern run is a route; bottom line: Moss can read any D and run any route as well as & faster than any WR in NFL history.
Of course every pattern is a route, but one will be labelled as a bad route runner, if they cannot run the whole route tree particularly well. I don't think Randy Moss is a bad route runner, but that being said, he doesn't run every route. It would be a waste of his superior size speed and hands. He has more football smarts than people give him and it shows up in parts such as at 2:02, but he is still a down field threat. This video basically shows he runs a fairly limited number of routes ...
Everyone knows Moss is one of the top 3 greatest receivers ever, the problem is everyone also saw the way he acted in 2004 when Minnesota lost to Washington and lost the division title. He walked off the field before the game was even over and showed absolutely no dignity and class. That's why he was shipped to Oakland and nobody in the league wanted anything to do with him. Dez Bryant is pretty much a poor man's Randy Moss. All the talent in the world when you are "winning", but acts like a bitch in a defeat. There are just as many plays of Moss giving up on his team as there are of him making highlight plays, but all we see the highlights. Moss is and will always be one of the greatest of all time, but his classlessness in defeat is why he'll never be better than Rice. Humility and integrity go almost as far as stats and pure talent.
I'm not saying wasn't a good route runner. He wasn't bad at it by any means, but if you're going to put a video that is supposed to disprove that he's not just a deep receiver you shouldn't show 60 plays that are him running fades.
I think it is important to make the distinction between someone that runs great routes and someone that is great at getting open. Randy just flat out knew how lose his defender with out being the most technical route runner.
+BrWithFMJ I don't know how anyone could "technically" run a better route than Moss did at 1:03? Perhaps Moss' smooth gait leads people to believe his routes aren't as crisp as a slower herky jerky WR. One of the greatest gifts a great route runner possesses is actually head movement and as shown in the video Moss excels at it.
+BrWithFMJ The route at 1:03 was against man to man coverage which Moss did not routinely receive so many of these routes are simply reading the defense and sitting down but nevertheless that still constitutes a route. One of the best in the video is against Washington at 1:32; the Redskins disguised their zone D well but Moss & Brady both read it right and Moss put a brilliant hesitation move/route on the safety for the TD. Many of Moss' routes contain subtle moves and then explosion and in two to three steps he's at full speed.
Thanks for watching; Skol Vikings! But please enlighten me;what constitutes a well run route and which NFL WR runs these pristine routes in the 2.4 seconds the QB has to release the ball? I know we agree the goal is to get separation but how does WR do that to the extent you can call him better than one of the most successful ever? I mean Moss was a PR in college; he has moves, he was a 4 sport star in HS Mr Basketball in WV...but he can't run quality post, flags, outs, digs, hooks and the like?
His routs are not as bad as they look he often did on purpose when he disagreed with the coaching staff or was in a bad mood. The real issue with this great player is his head. The small things he needed to be among Jerry and Barry he also comes off selfish compared to those guys. Glad to see unbiased sportsmanship on the part of the fan here. I see your'e a vikings fan but can still recognize the players abilities. Someday they will bring it back to Minnesota.
The idiot saying Moss can't run every route in the book, there is no WR that can run every route in the book if it doesn't fit within the team's offensive system. Running every route depends on the coverage that's given and the time the QB has to throw. Dumb comment. Post, seam, fade, button hook, flat, go route, stutter step,skinny post whatever it was Moss could do it and make you look like a fool while he was doing it. Bill Belichik even said Moss is one of the smartest players he's ever coached so that's pretty high praise I'd say.
randy changes everything up to deceive to cornerback he runs "shitty routes" on purpose... plus he has speed to recover and get the timing right for the qb
Yes Moss was a good route runner but his reputation coming into the NFL was that as a DEEP THREAT he was called the scariest deep threat to enter the NFL since BOB HAYES.
@@dwightlove3704 That was not luck. Now D you are a track and field enthusiast. Newman ran 10.20 100m. There is no way in hell Moss who did not get the necessary sprint training to get to the world class level could out run a world class sprinter. So stop acting like Moss was that fast, because he wasn't.
3:30 if he did that every time I know it looks simple but sitting down in the zone like that is beautiful football awareness and worked like rice did every year no one I mean no one would ever ever come close to any of his records ever
top 5 WR ever 1. Rice 2. Moss 3. T.O. 4. Calvin 5. Some guys playing today can't put Irvin. #s can't support it even though I'd take him on my team over 2-5 if needed to win one game.
for those who says his routes are terrible must dont know football...unorthodox maybe but to say the technique is bad makes no sense...a bad technique doesnt consistently lead to openness or success...randy is no human lol
Really? You think running skinny posts and streaks shows any indication of how to run a route? Are you serious? Desean Jackson, Mike Wallace, and Devin Hester are big play receivers like Moss was. Are you going to say they are all great route runners because they can run past the defense? Players that just run long plays are not good route runners. By the way I played high school football so I've definitely been on the turf.
so what do you think route running is its able to find holes for your qb to throw to and he did this consistently against double teams great double moves and such you dont put up those numbers just by doing 9 routes there has to be a lot more intangibles to it than that he knew exactly what he could and could not do almost as soon as he saw the defensive scheme and was able to execute the route needed that my friend is what you call route running
Propaganda piece. This video does not demonstrate great route running. Most of these are curved, arched routes. Randy Moss does not have great short space agility which is why he's not great at tight routes that require greater quick twitch agility. You can talk about how smart Randy Moss is all day but you can't say he's a great route rinner because he doesn't have fluid hips and short space agility for that. This is why he was so often shut down in the playoffs when higher quality defenses that could rush the passer and took the top of the field away from him he had no answer for that and quite honestly could be taken out of the game mentally once he realized he was not going to have big yardage catches down there field. He was not willing to put in the work it takes against great defenses to consistently work the short and mid yardage routes all day to set up the big play against them.
I've been trying to mentally contextualize exactly what you just said for years. Perfectly said. For example, Randy rarely ever changed levels during his routes. Everything was very upright. He didn't get in and out of his breaks as well as some of the other all-time greats did. He was excellent in slow to fast speed changes, but rarely would you ever see him go fast to slow, to explode again in order to freeze defenders. I'm glad someone finally identified that. Good eye. 🤝
Before we start laying down who we think is the GOAT...how about someone actually lay down some CREDENTIALS on what IS required to be GOAT? Personally, I like # of RINGS, Years Played, Productivity and stats...thoughts/feedback is, of course, appreciated!
Consistency can be a huge factor for many people. Moss had down years. Was Moss with shit QB's? Yes. Rice never was. Many will argue 20/20 seasons of sustained excellence is greater than playing only half your seasons at a level of unmatched and unprecedented excellence. I don't feel that way. How can # of rings be a determining factor for a receiver? Not only is football a team sport to begin with, but a wide receiver is only playing half the snaps, and doesn't touch the ball on every one he plays like a QB. For me, it's production, hands, route running, impact on defensive strategy, and impact on their team, ability to succeed in spite of their team, and consistency. For almost all those reasons I give it to Moss. The cover-2 would've stayed dead if not for Randy. No receiver has ever run the deep ball or the end-zone fade like he did. His one handed catches marvel those of Chris Carter (the best hands ever). Moss was the biggest, most dangerous offensive weapon on two of the best offenses ever assembled. Other than Tom Brady (and for arguments sake an ancient Randall Cunningham, and an overrated Daunte Culpepper) Moss hasn't played with anyone of substance at the QB position. Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin had Joe Montana, Steve Young, Rich Gannon, and Troy Aikman respectively. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. At the end of the day, I believe Randy Moss is actually humble enough to be happy that he's the only player people really keep in that conversation with Rice at all.
It still comes down to catching the ball, no matter where the ball is thrown...but seeing as a lot of folks say Moss had sh** QB's..then maybe he should have left the vikings earlier than he did and dome somewhere else! :)
hurpDurp1000 LOL Randall Cunningham Daunte Culpepper and Tom Brady are shit QB's? Idk about you but I'd take Cunningham and TB over Rich Gannon and Steve Young any day
So what are listed above aren't bad techniques? Plus, I have to play in a Super Bowl, have the most touchdown reception records, and be the fastest player to reach 5,000 career receiving yards just to share some thoughts? haha then Morton is out of stats or you must really love Randy..
he can run the fade the curl go routes and posts his slants zigs deep wheel routes stop n go's aren't his strong suit its just not jerry rice didn't have deadly speed randy moss didn't have the best work ethic on his routes that's not to say hes a bad player because hes not the most physically gifted receiver to ever play the game ever period hall of famer without a doubt first ballot (if carter doesn't get in this year im going to snap)
This is the second time you have described Moss’ route running as excrement; unless you are a former Super Bowl MVP with 4 rings and your initials are J.R. I find it inconceivable that you would have the temerity to insinuate that you could give Randy Moss pointers on how to run better routes. I could see you comparing Moss' route running to other great NFL WR but for you to critique his "technique"... then u describe Moss as "awkward"? It's obvious your arrogance knows no bounds.
alfonso White i'm sure you like to think so When you run ONE route and vanish in spots you can't be better when you have HALF the resume you can't be better & to think Rice at FORTY YEARS OLD on the Raiders was better than Moss at 28
ONE route? Evidently you didn't watch the video you've commented on. Take a moment and view ONE route at 1:03 and tell me Moss has only ONE route in his repertoire. The fact that Randy Moss was great does not demean the greatness of Jerry Rice.
really? you're going to sit here and talk route running between Moss and Rice? at 1:03 it would be normal for a DB to bump him down by the goal line NO ONE IS SAYING Randy Moss wasn't great. To me he's the 2nd best WR ever BUT he's not on Rice's level NO ONE COMES CLOSE Not in hands, not in route running, not in production, not in big games, not in resume or accomplishments, not in durability NOTHING! you have guys who are bigger, taller , faster that doesn't mean they are better I mean do I really need to post the production between the 2? it would be embarrassing. & Moss got to play with Brady at a time when the rules allowed for these huge numbers at age 30 at age 30 Rice was still dominating especially under mugging rules
@@bsdavis011 Randy Moss didn't need stickum, 2 HOF QB's, and a HOF coach to dominate. Defenses would commit 3 guys to this man, and they still couldn't keep him out the end zone. And if you think Rice was faster than probably the fastest NFL player ever (Moss), you're delusional.
i cant believe somebody would even say moss is a bad route runner, im sorry but you do not become a great wr being a bad route runner. Thats the only way to get open is by good routes but in moss case even when he is covered he is open so get the hell out of here with that shit.
Randy does have bad techniques when he runs route: slowing down on top of the route, not sticking foot out of cuts and just awkward double and single moves but dbs are intimidate by his SPEED thats why they jump shitty moves. Randy can take 2 steps and he already has separation ...
I really don't understand these "Randy Moss myth busting" videos. Nobody said any of these things about him. From his first season to his last season everyone was pretty much in agreement that he was one of, if not, the best receivers to ever play the game.
Naw, trust me, people have said all these things about him. I've heard a lot of them with my own ears. I never understood the dislike or lack of respect football fans have for Moss. He's clearly the greatest receiver of all-time, and it's not even close!
Who's John Galt no John I watched him in junior high. HS at Marshal and in the Pros. He got lots of negative press stating in high school because of a fight the other kid started. After high school he failed a couple of urine drug screens all of the positive for one drug. WEED Other than that he was stellar. You also need to remember he grew up in a state that is 97 percent white. That might explain the fight in HS. He is the goat.
Super Bowl XLVII: 1st Q, 49ers ball 3rd & goal Kaepernick throws to a covered Crabtree. incomplete, ball almost deflects to Randy Moss who was behind Crabtree wide open. 3:40 4th Q 1st & 10 from the 49ers 36 Moss in the right slot, Davis wide right ,Kaep great throw deep to Davis, barely off his fingertips, Moss was wide open deep post, later, Kaep to Crabtree 3 straight plays inside the 10. No knock on Kaep he ran what coach wanted. If you're not the "go to guy" great routes can be irrelevant.
The fact Kaep was throwing to a covered Crabtree instead of an open Moss should tell you something. You can make all the excuses you want, the facts are Moss had his chances in two Super Bowls and underperformed both times.
The GOAT. Jerry had okay hands, but not better than Chris Carter. Moss's hands were the best. His route running was that of the elite. Moss was on the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history. Coincidence?? Nope! Joe Montana & Steve Young DID NOT throw him the¡ ball either (both h.O.f'ers) THE GOAT. END OF DISCUSSION!!!
NIKO SAMUELS LOL that was Rice's WORST Super Bowl performance and it was still better than Moss's BEST with Tom Brady as his QB. You won't find a SINGLE person that actually played in the NFL that will pick Moss over Rice. Not even Cris Carter and Carter was Moss's TEAMMATE.
to fake outside first to turn his db around then bat the hands to get inside or just when to slant right away. Very good at faking his outs as ins and make smooth precise cuts (see his offseason video for the 49ers) You have no valid points. A lot of wrs and dbs have speed you dont get over 900 catches on speed alone especially when a lot were shorter passes. He ran routes as good as anyone, including Rice
I never said anything about Moss' route running. You're video just doesn't show him being an effective route runner. Don't make me out to be a "Moss hater" when I am just aggravated towards the selection of plays on the video.
Moo Mooo how could you critque Moss he doesnt have to do what normal people do hes a beast! You gonna tell Ali how to slip punches properly? Do you have ny Idea how fast that game is moving? Next time you watch the film look at the dbs on the field woodson, sharper etc. These dbs arent slow, they just going up against a beast, you ever see agood amatuer boxer fight a good pro then you a know. Its obvious youre afan what a insult.
And the problem ppl like you don't understand is how selfish players like rice were .. Just cuz he's a media darling doesn't mean he wasn't selfish. What do you think of a wr who openly says I shoulda won the sb MVP not the qb.. Is that not the most selfish thing anyone can say? Cuz that's what rice said about Montana .. He was also a huge "throw me the damn ball" diva wr.. He's no better than moss
That's not true at all even though that's what he did majority of the time you still have to make a move to get open an at that time nobody could press him ever he's one of the best route runners ever
Randy Moss retired at the age of 35 yrs old and 356 days Jerry Rice went on to play 118 games MORE after that age what are the #s if they both retired at the same age This INCLUDES Playoffs as well. Complete Totals. Games Moss: 233 Rice: 214 Receptions Moss: 1006 (4.31 per) Rice: 1195 (5.58 per) Rec Yards: Moss: 16, 269 (69.82 per) Rice: 18,527 (86.57 per) TDs Moss: 166 Rice: 176 Rushing Yds / Rush TDs Moss: 173 yds / 5 TDs Rice: 653 yds/ 10 TDs Pro Bowls Moss: 6x Rice: 11x All Pro Moss: 4x Rice: 10x Super Bowls Moss: 0 Rice: 3 with an MVP keep telling me there's a comparison outside of debating Speed and being able to jump higher. This aint the fukin combine people. & for anyone who wan't to bring up QBs Moss's resume and impact on the game would be complete shit without Brady and the rules that have been put in place to enhance ALL passing and receiving #s Rice was better as a 40 yr old on the Raiders than Moss in his prime years. & if we went game by game debates Moss is twice as likely to have a bad game than Rice and Rice is twice as likely to have a great game than Moss no comparison stop making it Moss is amazing not on Rice's level no one is you can debate TO vs Moss better
Moss was the better receiver. Moss was faster. Had better hands (and that's with the stickums rice used). Ill edge route running to rice (but I think its even). Moss high points jump balls better.. I understand, from a stats point of view, why you say rice is better (its like saying emmitt is better than Barry, and we all know Barry was the better rb). But with just the eye test you can see moss is better. He changed how defenses played the game.
The only thing Moss fanboys can come back with is "Moss was taller, Moss was faster, Moss jumped higher" All related to athletic ability. But when it comes to actual football skill, there is almost NOTHING Moss does better than Rice. Route running, reading the defense, gaining yards after the catch, converting 3rd downs, ALL of those things go to Rice. The only football related thing Moss does better is catch the deep ball. You put Moss's mind in Rice's body and Moss dosen't even make the Hall of Fame. You put Rice's mind in Moss's body and Rice gains AT LEAST 30,000 receiving yards. Your Barry Sanders comparison dosen't work at all because after 10 years a piece Barry smoked Emmitt in every stat except TD's. You compare the first 10 years of Moss's career to Rice's, and Moss beats Rice in NOTHING. Matter of fact.. Moss after 10 years- 154 games 774 catches, 12193 yards, 124 TD's , 79 yds a game, 15.8 ypc Rice after 10 years- 156 games 820 catches 13275 yards, 131 TD's, 85 yds a game, 16.2 ypc. You can believe what you want, but reality dosen't care. And the reality is that Rice was better plain and simple.
Xavier Vega moss catches better than rice. Route running is even. Had better release. And moss is way more athletic. Rice admitted he cheated by using stickums. And all you little rice cakes act like it didn't happen. Moss changed defensive schemes (no such thing as cover 1 against moss). Moss made the game easier for the whole offense. Watch the film and witness the greatest receiver to lace up cleats, The Freak. Straight Cash Homie!!!
Xavier Vega Don't let the stats fool you. Rice may have more accolades but Moss is the better receiver. My Barry Sanders comment is spot on. Smith had better numbers but Sanders is the better running back. I'm not refuting the fact the statiscally rice and smith are great but when watching games/film its easy to see who was better and more gifted. Moss and sanders
Another poorly done video. I counted how many of the 80ish plays were on this video were actually debunking the myth that Randy Moss can't run routes. There were only 22 plays on this entire video that showed Randy Moss executing routes. The other 60+ were all fades (deep) and some screens. This video in no way proved that Randy Moss can in fact run routes effectively.
He ain’t really doing special with his 5-7 yard routes because the DBS already playing 10 yards off lol he definitely ran his fair share of short routes tho and sauced DBs up fasho he Elite
i love your highlight videos and im a huge viking fan but honestly randy moss isnt a good route runner he isnt horrible but he was and is a terrible route runner super athletic smart amazing hands aware of his surroundings but route running he is bad it is what it is hes a top three receiver in nfl history but his route running is bad and at times his effort is very questionable
Dude idk why people think that. This dude is one of the greatest route runners in history. He just didn’t run those smaller routes because you don’t get a Lamborghini to do what a Cadillac can to do
Randy Moss, NFL Hall of Famer, respect.
Moss is one of the smartest WR's and best route runners on top of being freakishly athletic. He is the greatest WR talent period. You saw what he could do past his prime with a great QB in NE. Imagine him playing with Peyton Manning or Tom Brady his whole career. You're talking about 200+ TDs and countless other records. The guy could not be covered one on one.
His talents are from another galaxy, and he only played for 14 seasons, NOT 20 like Jerry Rice did!
Thank god for Bruce Davis
LOL I just roll video and tell the truth, Sideshow Bob.
@@bsdavis011 At this point I've lost count of how many times I watched your videos on Randy Moss. Top quality from play, angle and broadcast commentary selection, good/fitting music when it has it, and it seems a lot of stuff you can't find anywhere else. Whenever I miss football, these are the only highlights I watch since about 2016. Amazing job, can't praise you enough.
All better than the last. Can't wait for the blocking myth-buster sometime tonight. Sooner rather than later, I hope!
It don't matter if you're Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, or Darrelle Revis. That hand goes up, it's your ass!
Dom JX Jerry Rice did this as well raising his hand to let the QB know to throw the ball
@@dwightlove3704 Jerry Rice used stick-um the banned adhesion that will result in a suspension if caught, even today. Rice ADMITTED to using Stick-em. That disqualifies him from this conversation. Moss was way more gifted than Rice. Rice wasn't throwing up hid hands 4 yards before reaching the corner, he didn't have that kind of speed. Sorry.
Moss fanboys keep saying this crap, and yet there is plenty of of footage of Moss getting owned 1v1.
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@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Fred Biletnikoff used Stickum in the '70s why is Rice being called the KING of Stickum and everyone knew that Biletnikoff used it before him.Rice did throw his hands up letting Young or Montana know he had the opposing DB beaten.
@@xaviervega468 Sehorn was said by Strahan to be the best athlete on the Giants squad prior to his injury.Brady overthrew Moss which was shocking to see I did not think that was possible.
The nuance in Randy's technique was as different from others as his skillset. The same still reigns true today.
Moss has great techniques - listed above. Moss’ workout for 49ers: At one point Harbaugh completed 44 of 45 to Moss - Harbaugh calls for Moss to run a post; Moss runs the post but has to come to a stop to catch the pass. Coming back Moss asks: ‘Did you take five or seven (steps) on that?’’ "Harbaugh: ‘I took seven - I should’ve taken five,’ “Very, very astute by him,” That's how high Moss’ football IQ is. NFL WR have 3sec to win vs DB or QB is on the ground. Moss wins & runs like a Gazelle.
Moss is the GOAT. These haters are on a sentimental coke binge when they bring up Rice like he didnt have more advantages than any WR to ever exist. Dude played with 3 QBs who won MVPS, Pro Bowls, and All Pros on stacked teams (both sides of the ball), with a genius coach. Moss is the GOAT.
I like how you included some time with the raiders he was clearly open and didn't get the ball. The whole idea that he quit is ridiculous. He had a series of completely incompitant QBs. They couldn't even run the randy go get it plays.
The greatest player in NFL history.
Did you play offense or defense in high school? Many times the defense dictates which pattern you run; depending on the play called against nickel D with a safety high, running from the slot, you may need to run a deep hook, fly or skinny post 7:58...so yes a skinny post, a hook or can be an indication of proper route running 9:00. Sometimes on an out, flag or deep post a simple head fake may be the most important part of the route. 5:57, 9:12. What do you consider a route?
Brett Favre to Randy Moss??
That sounds weird af.
2 legends.
even to this day i still hear kids saying u got mossed rather than u got riced or browned or even johnsoned etc. randy moss is a legend
maybe because they are kids
and kids don't know what happened 5 minutes ago
@@SeecretWeapon Or maybe because he was the greatest receiver to ever do it? And the truth hurts you on a cellular level?
@@BillyJack85 Or maybe because the only people that "you got Mossed" are millennials. I NEVER heard anyone say that term.
I would take both Rice and Larry Fitzgerald over Moss. He and TO are fighting out for the 3rd spot.
@@BillyJack85 what are you basing it on. & mind you I'm a Moss fan. my 2nd favorite player ever.
for you to say he's the best is ridiculous.
there is a clear cut #1 and whatever your debate is
the only leg you have to stand on is Go routes, vertical and jump balls
& speed
which means dick when we count it all up
every other aspect about football, Jerry Rice trumps him
@@xaviervega468 Maybe because the only people playing in the school yard when Moss was around WERE millennials?? Did you figure that one out all on your own, Einstien?
I'm sure you'd take every other wide receiver who's ever played in the NFL over Moss. That dont surprise me. You obviously got some kind of beef with him. You're looking like Stan right now with all these comments. You need to take a break. Fitzy is literally Moss's ball boy and Rice couldn't hold a candle to Moss, pound for pound.
Coaches praise him for his football IQ, he's not all physical talent. I'm glad he's a HoFer. Moss is really a generational talent, and one of the best WRs to ever play.
1:04 is absolute magic. Gosh he was the greatest ever. Great videos!
This is great for moss fans!
What play was randy not open...?? Unguardable
That route at ~ 0:46 was MONEY. If the ball had come out sooner he'd have been gone. A lot of these clips show how good a boundary receiver Moss was too (being aware & tapping toes) - probably b/c he learned from the best-ever at that (Cris Carter. Randy Cross played with Rice and he said Cris edged out Jerry in that aspect).
who gives a fuck if he cant run pre practiced routes... even when dbs knew he was going straight they couldnt cover him. he is by far the greatest deep threat ever.
Only if Moss had a Joe Montana early in his career. Never had a good QB until he went to the Patriots
Aloft of people are blind! Moss was one of the best route runners look at how sharp he runs routes! Wow the agility!
He look cyborg-ish sometimes
@One Ace "Get clamped" LMAO. You're a clown. Moss was the 6th receiver in NFL HISTORY to ever post back to back 100 reception seasons. He is the ONLY receiver to ever post 1600+yards 16+ tds in a single season (the only WR in NFL HISTORY to ever average 100 yards and 1td or more in a game for an entire 16 game season). You do NOT get that many catches without being able to run the complete route tree.
Moss would DOMINATE every single WR you mentioned and every single one of those WR would WORSHIP Moss, who, according to Brian Billick, was double and triple teamed more times than any WR in history. John Lynch said that the Tampa -2 Defense was really crafted to stop Moss because he killed Tampa every time they played Cover 1.
Moss is the freakiest WR ever and according to Bill Belichick "was the most intelligent receiver I've ever coached." ANY NFL scout would tell you Moss could run the complete route tree. Dig routes, post routes, every route. The thing is...He ran a 4.2 forty at 6'4 almost 6'5, he was known universally as the "SuperFreak" for a reason.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Even The Cover 2 was useless vs Moss
@@dwightlove3704 FACTS! Moss had D-coordinators running Cover 3, Cover 4 quarters on first down lmao. Moss is the GOAT!!!!! Period.
one of the only WR in NFL history that actually made DB's look like children.
Moss is just amazing, I only hope he comes back for another year.
great vid's, thanks for posting.
I've never seen Moss get shut down 1-on-1...Deion Sanders had shut down Jerry Rice before
When
@@troyhaskins3863 We have to define shut down. In this post Jerry clearly had good games vs Deion who, according to this post, only went against him 1v1 once time.
Playa 1 both statements false
A 38 year old Darrell Green held him to 65 yds receiving. Hell Jason Sehorn flat out embarrassed him in the 2000 NFC championship.
Xavier Vega what were his stats against sehorn? It was pretty suprising outcome as sehorn was average and got embarrased in the super bowl
THank you so much for these series of videos man. moss4life
ur vids incredible
Thank you and thanks for watching!
These videos are incredible, thank you for making them. Keep it up, they're VERY well done. :)
that route at 1:05 is nasty...good vids btw
Man I love video's like this that actually show tecnique and the in's and outs of the game of football instead of highlights just glorifying a player, can you please make one about defensive backs(cornerbacks particularly) showing what they do on every play. How they move their hips, the techniques they use to cover stuff like you did with this video.
Hey man, great video. Moss is my favorite player and its about time someone addressed all of these false criticisms! Can't wait to watch the others.
those years in oakland jeez.......i can remember the first year they were on tv alot.......and i remember thinking what the hell is kerry collins doing.......hes right there! throw it to him! lol why did tom brady throw 50 tds ina season? because he knew he didnt have to wait for randy moss to get open to throw it to him
The route against Da Bears around the 6:50 mark was beautiful ran the safety off while beating the corner on his release, it look like they were playing zone principles but still beautiful nonetheless
Straight cash homie.
Yards after the catch...who needs em
Im gonna star calling you Bruce Lee cause your videos kick butt ;)
All The Tools.... ALL OF THEM...
I really love this video series!
Need part 2 and part 1
2:40 I love Revis but oh my God he got destroyed hahahaha
Its obvious pbskids4000 doesn't understand that a fade is just as much a route as a slant or any other pattern. When Moss runs a deep post pattern to beat the corner and jumps over a safety to catch the pass pbskids4000 thinks its a fade because Moss went over a guy to catch the ball. After watching the video you'd think he'd be impressed by Moss' gifts but as is typical of Moss haters they wont even believe their own eyes.They've been playing this game 90+ years ad Moss is one of the best ever
This video doesn't do a good job showing that he's a good route runner ... But in general he isn't asked to run the whole route tree. He runs outs, curls, skinny's and go's
Please state where I "backpedaled". You say that most of his passes are not deep, but if you had any football knowledge you would realize how stupid of a comment that would be. First, I never said Randy Moss couldn't run routes. I was showing my hate towards the video which was poorly made. Second, Randy Moss isn't a situational player, which means he can't go deep every play. That statement is too wrong for me to disprove in one comment. I'm not even going to bother.
The defense often dictates the route especially when you're consistently double & triple covered; just as QB's do WR's must read defenses as well. At 2:02 notice Moss said he read the defense "corner was down, safety was back to the right" and a LB was underneath. Moss was triple covered so he ran the route he needed to to get open and Brady read the same thing...TD. Every pattern run is a route; bottom line: Moss can read any D and run any route as well as & faster than any WR in NFL history.
keep it up davis!!!! dont hurt to add some music......but good stuff
Of course every pattern is a route, but one will be labelled as a bad route runner, if they cannot run the whole route tree particularly well. I don't think Randy Moss is a bad route runner, but that being said, he doesn't run every route. It would be a waste of his superior size speed and hands. He has more football smarts than people give him and it shows up in parts such as at 2:02, but he is still a down field threat. This video basically shows he runs a fairly limited number of routes ...
Everyone knows Moss is one of the top 3 greatest receivers ever, the problem is everyone also saw the way he acted in 2004 when Minnesota lost to Washington and lost the division title. He walked off the field before the game was even over and showed absolutely no dignity and class. That's why he was shipped to Oakland and nobody in the league wanted anything to do with him. Dez Bryant is pretty much a poor man's Randy Moss. All the talent in the world when you are "winning", but acts like a bitch in a defeat. There are just as many plays of Moss giving up on his team as there are of him making highlight plays, but all we see the highlights. Moss is and will always be one of the greatest of all time, but his classlessness in defeat is why he'll never be better than Rice. Humility and integrity go almost as far as stats and pure talent.
I'm not saying wasn't a good route runner. He wasn't bad at it by any means, but if you're going to put a video that is supposed to disprove that he's not just a deep receiver you shouldn't show 60 plays that are him running fades.
I think it is important to make the distinction between someone that runs great routes and someone that is great at getting open. Randy just flat out knew how lose his defender with out being the most technical route runner.
+BrWithFMJ I don't know how anyone could "technically" run a better route than Moss did at 1:03? Perhaps Moss' smooth gait leads people to believe his routes aren't as crisp as a slower herky jerky WR. One of the greatest gifts a great route runner possesses is actually head movement and as shown in the video Moss excels at it.
+Bruce Davis that is a great route but there are lots of routes in here that aren't that great
+BrWithFMJ The route at 1:03 was against man to man coverage which Moss did not routinely receive so many of these routes are simply reading the defense and sitting down but nevertheless that still constitutes a route. One of the best in the video is against Washington at 1:32; the Redskins disguised their zone D well but Moss & Brady both read it right and Moss put a brilliant hesitation move/route on the safety for the TD. Many of Moss' routes contain subtle moves and then explosion and in two to three steps he's at full speed.
+Bruce Davis yeah I was about to say. that one was nasty
Diehard Vikings fan here: Half this video made me really fucking sad.
Thanks for watching; Skol Vikings! But please enlighten me;what constitutes a well run route and which NFL WR runs these pristine routes in the 2.4 seconds the QB has to release the ball? I know we agree the goal is to get separation but how does WR do that to the extent you can call him better than one of the most successful ever? I mean Moss was a PR in college; he has moves, he was a 4 sport star in HS Mr Basketball in WV...but he can't run quality post, flags, outs, digs, hooks and the like?
His routs are not as bad as they look he often did on purpose when he disagreed with the coaching staff or was in a bad mood. The real issue with this great player is his head. The small things he needed to be among Jerry and Barry he also comes off selfish compared to those guys. Glad to see unbiased sportsmanship on the part of the fan here. I see your'e a vikings fan but can still recognize the players abilities. Someday they will bring it back to Minnesota.
The idiot saying Moss can't run every route in the book, there is no WR that can run every route in the book if it doesn't fit within the team's offensive system. Running every route depends on the coverage that's given and the time the QB has to throw. Dumb comment. Post, seam, fade, button hook, flat, go route, stutter step,skinny post whatever it was Moss could do it and make you look like a fool while he was doing it. Bill Belichik even said Moss is one of the smartest players he's ever coached so that's pretty high praise I'd say.
randy changes everything up to deceive to cornerback he runs "shitty routes" on purpose... plus he has speed to recover and get the timing right for the qb
carry collins had something against moss. and the raiders missed a lot of td's
11:47 just made my day. Love that -- thanks for posting.
Yes Moss was a good route runner but his reputation coming into the NFL was that as a DEEP THREAT he was called the scariest deep threat to enter the NFL since BOB HAYES.
He was called that but he wasn't that.
@@sydboski Tell this to all the DBs he faced
@@dwightlove3704 Should i tell it to Terence Newman? ua-cam.com/video/CATHO_2onWM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=CLAB41
@@sydboski Every squirrel gets lucky now and then even Bo Jackson got caught from behind.
@@dwightlove3704 That was not luck. Now D you are a track and field enthusiast. Newman ran 10.20 100m. There is no way in hell Moss who did not get the necessary sprint training to get to the world class level could out run a world class sprinter. So stop acting like Moss was that fast, because he wasn't.
3:30 if he did that every time I know it looks simple but sitting down in the zone like that is beautiful football awareness and worked like rice did every year no one I mean no one would ever ever come close to any of his records ever
those years in oakland were such a waste -_-
Where did the rest of this series go to??
They're still on my channel. UA-cam search Randy Moss Myth-Busting and they should pop up or just go to my channel. Thanks for watching!
top 5 WR ever
1. Rice
2. Moss
3. T.O.
4. Calvin
5. Some guys playing today
can't put Irvin. #s can't support it even though I'd take him on my team over 2-5 if needed to win one game.
for those who says his routes are terrible must dont know football...unorthodox maybe but to say the technique is bad makes no sense...a bad technique doesnt consistently lead to openness or success...randy is no human lol
Really? You think running skinny posts and streaks shows any indication of how to run a route? Are you serious? Desean Jackson, Mike Wallace, and Devin Hester are big play receivers like Moss was. Are you going to say they are all great route runners because they can run past the defense? Players that just run long plays are not good route runners. By the way I played high school football so I've definitely been on the turf.
"When he's even, he's leaving"
Except when being covered by someone faster.
so what do you think route running is its able to find holes for your qb to throw to and he did this consistently against double teams great double moves and such you dont put up those numbers just by doing 9 routes there has to be a lot more intangibles to it than that he knew exactly what he could and could not do almost as soon as he saw the defensive scheme and was able to execute the route needed that my friend is what you call route running
Propaganda piece.
This video does not demonstrate great route running. Most of these are curved, arched routes. Randy Moss does not have great short space agility which is why he's not great at tight routes that require greater quick twitch agility. You can talk about how smart Randy Moss is all day but you can't say he's a great route rinner because he doesn't have fluid hips and short space agility for that.
This is why he was so often shut down in the playoffs when higher quality defenses that could rush the passer and took the top of the field away from him he had no answer for that and quite honestly could be taken out of the game mentally once he realized he was not going to have big yardage catches down there field. He was not willing to put in the work it takes against great defenses to consistently work the short and mid yardage routes all day to set up the big play against them.
I've been trying to mentally contextualize exactly what you just said for years. Perfectly said.
For example, Randy rarely ever changed levels during his routes. Everything was very upright. He didn't get in and out of his breaks as well as some of the other all-time greats did. He was excellent in slow to fast speed changes, but rarely would you ever see him go fast to slow, to explode again in order to freeze defenders.
I'm glad someone finally identified that. Good eye. 🤝
i thought u did a good job showing his variety of routes, cant want to see him play this yr, hes gonna take the top off the league
The SuperFreak strikes again!!!
Randy Moss is the most gifted player in NFL history. The true GOAT of WRs.
Tyrell Williams from the Los Angeles chargers will be his reincarnation
Before we start laying down who we think is the GOAT...how about someone actually lay down some CREDENTIALS on what IS required to be GOAT? Personally, I like # of RINGS, Years Played, Productivity and stats...thoughts/feedback is, of course, appreciated!
Consistency can be a huge factor for many people. Moss had down years. Was Moss with shit QB's? Yes. Rice never was.
Many will argue 20/20 seasons of sustained excellence is greater than playing only half your seasons at a level of unmatched and unprecedented excellence.
I don't feel that way.
How can # of rings be a determining factor for a receiver? Not only is football a team sport to begin with, but a wide receiver is only playing half the snaps, and doesn't touch the ball on every one he plays like a QB.
For me, it's production, hands, route running, impact on defensive strategy, and impact on their team, ability to succeed in spite of their team, and consistency.
For almost all those reasons I give it to Moss. The cover-2 would've stayed dead if not for Randy. No receiver has ever run the deep ball or the end-zone fade like he did. His one handed catches marvel those of Chris Carter (the best hands ever). Moss was the biggest, most dangerous offensive weapon on two of the best offenses ever assembled. Other than Tom Brady (and for arguments sake an ancient Randall Cunningham, and an overrated Daunte Culpepper) Moss hasn't played with anyone of substance at the QB position. Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin had Joe Montana, Steve Young, Rich Gannon, and Troy Aikman respectively.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. At the end of the day, I believe Randy Moss is actually humble enough to be happy that he's the only player people really keep in that conversation with Rice at all.
It still comes down to catching the ball, no matter where the ball is thrown...but seeing as a lot of folks say Moss had sh** QB's..then maybe he should have left the vikings earlier than he did and dome somewhere else! :)
hurpDurp1000 LOL Randall Cunningham Daunte Culpepper and Tom Brady are shit QB's? Idk about you but I'd take Cunningham and TB over Rich Gannon and Steve Young any day
Alejandro Munoz You didn't read that properly.
I get the rings thing at times but it's really irrelevant for wide receivers.
dude!!! thank you bsdavis for i am also a moss fan and moss myth buster!!! THE FREAK IS BACK!!!! TIME TO SHUT ESPN UP!!
So what are listed above aren't bad techniques? Plus, I have to play in a Super Bowl, have the most touchdown reception records, and be the fastest player to reach 5,000 career receiving yards just to share some thoughts? haha then Morton is out of stats or you must really love Randy..
wow. almost all the clips in these myth videos are touchdowns. thats alot lol
Keep telling yourself that lie and you will believe it soon enough.
Why run any other routes??if all you do is score TDs when u go deep. U can't stop a Demi god.
he can run the fade the curl go routes and posts his slants zigs deep wheel routes stop n go's aren't his strong suit its just not jerry rice didn't have deadly speed randy moss didn't have the best work ethic on his routes that's not to say hes a bad player because hes not the most physically gifted receiver to ever play the game ever period hall of famer without a doubt first ballot (if carter doesn't get in this year im going to snap)
this is really hyping me up as a 49er fan now...
ate Bailey at 5:42
This is the second time you have described Moss’ route running as excrement; unless you are a former Super Bowl MVP with 4 rings and your initials are J.R. I find it inconceivable that you would have the temerity to insinuate that you could give Randy Moss pointers on how to run better routes. I could see you comparing Moss' route running to other great NFL WR but for you to critique his "technique"... then u describe Moss as "awkward"? It's obvious your arrogance knows no bounds.
Where were those routes in the Super Bowl?
Who cares what people sayBottom line The guy could not be guarded 1 on 1 & is the 2nd best WR ever!
Dkouts57 first he's better than Jerry "stickum" rice
alfonso White i'm sure you like to think so
When you run ONE route and vanish in spots you can't be better
when you have HALF the resume
you can't be better
& to think
Rice at FORTY YEARS OLD on the Raiders was better than Moss at 28
ONE route? Evidently you didn't watch the video you've commented on. Take a moment and view ONE route at 1:03 and tell me Moss has only ONE route in his repertoire. The fact that Randy Moss was great does not demean the greatness of Jerry Rice.
really? you're going to sit here and talk route running between Moss and Rice?
at 1:03 it would be normal for a DB to bump him down by the goal line
NO ONE IS SAYING Randy Moss wasn't great.
To me he's the 2nd best WR ever
BUT
he's not on Rice's level
NO ONE COMES CLOSE
Not in hands, not in route running, not in production, not in big games, not in resume or accomplishments, not in durability NOTHING!
you have guys who are bigger, taller , faster
that doesn't mean they are better
I mean do I really need to post the production between the 2? it would be embarrassing.
& Moss got to play with Brady at a time when the rules allowed for these huge numbers at age 30
at age 30 Rice was still dominating especially under mugging rules
@@bsdavis011 Randy Moss didn't need stickum, 2 HOF QB's, and a HOF coach to dominate. Defenses would commit 3 guys to this man, and they still couldn't keep him out the end zone. And if you think Rice was faster than probably the fastest NFL player ever (Moss), you're delusional.
How is #23 at 6:48 a corner in the NFL that was just terrible coverage
i cant believe somebody would even say moss is a bad route runner, im sorry but you do not become a great wr being a bad route runner. Thats the only way to get open is by good routes but in moss case even when he is covered he is open so get the hell out of here with that shit.
Randy does have bad techniques when he runs route: slowing down on top of the route, not sticking foot out of cuts and just awkward double and single moves but dbs are intimidate by his SPEED thats why they jump shitty moves. Randy can take 2 steps and he already has separation ...
I really don't understand these "Randy Moss myth busting" videos. Nobody said any of these things about him. From his first season to his last season everyone was pretty much in agreement that he was one of, if not, the best receivers to ever play the game.
Read the replies of dkouts57 those are the people who say it
Naw, trust me, people have said all these things about him. I've heard a lot of them with my own ears. I never understood the dislike or lack of respect football fans have for Moss. He's clearly the greatest receiver of all-time, and it's not even close!
Who's John Galt no John I watched him in junior high. HS at Marshal and in the Pros. He got lots of negative press stating in high school because of a fight the other kid started. After high school he failed a couple of urine drug screens all of the positive for one drug. WEED Other than that he was stellar. You also need to remember he grew up in a state that is 97 percent white. That might explain the fight in HS. He is the goat.
Tyrone Nathan he new he was a different athlete from a young age. I am convinced he could have gone to the NFL from high school
Super Bowl XLVII: 1st Q, 49ers ball 3rd & goal Kaepernick throws to a covered Crabtree. incomplete, ball almost deflects to Randy Moss who was behind Crabtree wide open. 3:40 4th Q 1st & 10 from the 49ers 36 Moss in the right slot, Davis wide right ,Kaep great throw deep to Davis, barely off his fingertips, Moss was wide open deep post, later, Kaep to Crabtree 3 straight plays inside the 10. No knock on Kaep he ran what coach wanted. If you're not the "go to guy" great routes can be irrelevant.
The fact Kaep was throwing to a covered Crabtree instead of an open Moss should tell you something. You can make all the excuses you want, the facts are Moss had his chances in two Super Bowls and underperformed both times.
The GOAT. Jerry had okay hands, but not better than Chris Carter. Moss's hands were the best. His route running was that of the elite. Moss was on the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history. Coincidence?? Nope! Joe Montana & Steve Young DID NOT throw him the¡ ball either (both h.O.f'ers) THE GOAT. END OF DISCUSSION!!!
NIKO SAMUELS
LOL that was Rice's WORST Super Bowl performance and it was still better than Moss's BEST with Tom Brady as his QB.
You won't find a SINGLE person that actually played in the NFL that will pick Moss over Rice. Not even Cris Carter and Carter was Moss's TEAMMATE.
to fake outside first to turn his db around then bat the hands to get inside or just when to slant right away. Very good at faking his outs as ins and make smooth precise cuts (see his offseason video for the 49ers) You have no valid points. A lot of wrs and dbs have speed you dont get over 900 catches on speed alone especially when a lot were shorter passes. He ran routes as good as anyone, including Rice
Being unaware of right techniques and being a bad athlete is a different thing
I never said anything about Moss' route running. You're video just doesn't show him being an effective route runner. Don't make me out to be a "Moss hater" when I am just aggravated towards the selection of plays on the video.
LOL 0-52 Patriots 5:56
Moo Mooo how could you critque Moss he doesnt have to do what normal people do hes a beast! You gonna tell Ali how to slip punches properly? Do you have ny Idea how fast that game is moving? Next time you watch the film look at the dbs on the field woodson, sharper etc. These dbs arent slow, they just going up against a beast, you ever see agood amatuer boxer fight a good pro then you a know. Its obvious youre afan what a insult.
yea
5:56 blow out city
And the problem ppl like you don't understand is how selfish players like rice were .. Just cuz he's a media darling doesn't mean he wasn't selfish. What do you think of a wr who openly says I shoulda won the sb MVP not the qb.. Is that not the most selfish thing anyone can say? Cuz that's what rice said about Montana .. He was also a huge "throw me the damn ball" diva wr.. He's no better than moss
That's not true at all even though that's what he did majority of the time you still have to make a move to get open an at that time nobody could press him ever he's one of the best route runners ever
Randy Moss retired at the age of 35 yrs old and 356 days
Jerry Rice went on to play 118 games MORE after that age
what are the #s if they both retired at the same age
This INCLUDES Playoffs as well. Complete Totals.
Games
Moss: 233
Rice: 214
Receptions
Moss: 1006 (4.31 per)
Rice: 1195 (5.58 per)
Rec Yards:
Moss: 16, 269 (69.82 per)
Rice: 18,527 (86.57 per)
TDs
Moss: 166
Rice: 176
Rushing Yds / Rush TDs
Moss: 173 yds / 5 TDs
Rice: 653 yds/ 10 TDs
Pro Bowls
Moss: 6x
Rice: 11x
All Pro
Moss: 4x
Rice: 10x
Super Bowls
Moss: 0
Rice: 3 with an MVP
keep telling me there's a comparison outside of debating Speed and being able to jump higher.
This aint the fukin combine people.
& for anyone who wan't to bring up QBs
Moss's resume and impact on the game would be complete shit without Brady and the rules that have been put in place to enhance ALL passing and receiving #s
Rice was better as a 40 yr old on the Raiders than Moss in his prime years.
& if we went game by game debates
Moss is twice as likely to have a bad game than Rice
and Rice is twice as likely to have a great game than Moss
no comparison stop making it
Moss is amazing
not on Rice's level
no one is
you can debate TO vs Moss better
End of discussion.
Moss was the better receiver. Moss was faster. Had better hands (and that's with the stickums rice used). Ill edge route running to rice (but I think its even). Moss high points jump balls better.. I understand, from a stats point of view, why you say rice is better (its like saying emmitt is better than Barry, and we all know Barry was the better rb). But with just the eye test you can see moss is better. He changed how defenses played the game.
The only thing Moss fanboys can come back with is "Moss was taller, Moss was faster, Moss jumped higher" All related to athletic ability. But when it comes to actual football skill, there is almost NOTHING Moss does better than Rice. Route running, reading the defense, gaining yards after the catch, converting 3rd downs, ALL of those things go to Rice. The only football related thing Moss does better is catch the deep ball.
You put Moss's mind in Rice's body and Moss dosen't even make the Hall of Fame. You put Rice's mind in Moss's body and Rice gains AT LEAST 30,000 receiving yards.
Your Barry Sanders comparison dosen't work at all because after 10 years a piece Barry smoked Emmitt in every stat except TD's. You compare the first 10 years of Moss's career to Rice's, and Moss beats Rice in NOTHING. Matter of fact..
Moss after 10 years- 154 games 774 catches, 12193 yards, 124 TD's , 79 yds a game, 15.8 ypc
Rice after 10 years- 156 games 820 catches 13275 yards, 131 TD's, 85 yds a game, 16.2 ypc.
You can believe what you want, but reality dosen't care. And the reality is that Rice was better plain and simple.
Xavier Vega moss catches better than rice. Route running is even. Had better release. And moss is way more athletic. Rice admitted he cheated by using stickums. And all you little rice cakes act like it didn't happen. Moss changed defensive schemes (no such thing as cover 1 against moss). Moss made the game easier for the whole offense. Watch the film and witness the greatest receiver to lace up cleats, The Freak. Straight Cash Homie!!!
Xavier Vega Don't let the stats fool you. Rice may have more accolades but Moss is the better receiver. My Barry Sanders comment is spot on. Smith had better numbers but Sanders is the better running back. I'm not refuting the fact the statiscally rice and smith are great but when watching games/film its easy to see who was better and more gifted. Moss and sanders
Then only Sanders remains the best in my book. But while being selfish I still find him more subtle about it then other WR and Moss.
Another poorly done video. I counted how many of the 80ish plays were on this video were actually debunking the myth that Randy Moss can't run routes. There were only 22 plays on this entire video that showed Randy Moss executing routes. The other 60+ were all fades (deep) and some screens. This video in no way proved that Randy Moss can in fact run routes effectively.
He ain’t really doing special with his 5-7 yard routes because the DBS already playing 10 yards off lol he definitely ran his fair share of short routes tho and sauced DBs up fasho he Elite
i love your highlight videos and im a huge viking fan but honestly randy moss isnt a good route runner he isnt horrible but he was and is a terrible route runner super athletic smart amazing hands aware of his surroundings but route running he is bad it is what it is hes a top three receiver in nfl history but his route running is bad and at times his effort is very questionable