Hiking the West Rim Trail (PA Grand Canyon)
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- The West Rim trail, also known as the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon is a 30 mile end to end hike that offers beautiful views stunning vistas and as we found, lots of wild life. The sights on this trip were breathtaking and the camp sites along the ridge were very relaxing. Join us as we hike through the hills and explore the Pine Creek Gorge.
For a great post hike meal, check out the Burning Barrel Bar, you'll walk right past it on the way back to Pine Creek Oufitters if you follow the same route we did.
Pine Creek Outfitters Parking Lot 41.746952, -77.444400
Start of trail: 41.540639, -77.405282
End of trail: 41.741622, -77.432053
Trails used - West Rim Trail
Day 1: 16 miles
Day 2: 16 miles
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Holy crap, all those rattlesnakes!
Thanks for posting. I am really enjoying your videos. I set them and watch them while I walk on my treadmill pretending I am hiking.. while outside, it's -7F. :)
It was a pretty awesome trail. I did it in 2015. Thanks for taking me along again.
That campsite was pretty epic. I love stopping places like that. Holy cow there was a ton of wildlife. I already had the black forest trail on my list thanks to your video. Have to add this one. Thanks for bringing your camera.
Just did the Black Forest Trail last week, Well part of it after it chewed up my feet and spit them out. Planned on the whole trail over 4 days. Had to cut off 13 miles and finish in 3 days. Those Sheer downhill rock scrambles Broke 1 toe and losing 4 toenails. Averaged about 1 mile per hour on much of it and Seven Rattlesnakes Directly on the trail so had to go slow and watch them. The only trail I ever Hiked where I could truly say I did not enjoy it and would not do it again. Good Luck...Hahaha
I almost stepped on a rattlesnake within a few miles of where you were. We were going out night hiking and we were walking down a driveway and a 3.5 foot rattlesnake was laid out. We had turned on our flashlights 1 step before disaster. It never rattled. I didn't know they were out at night. Word to the wise, don't take a step in that area at night without looking.
DON'T HIKE AT NIGHT!
@@johntuttle4486 why?
I don't go in woods during summer above rt80 much because of the Rattlers. I'm usually in woods during big game season they are not out
Jewel Weed - Touch Me Not - Impatiens - A Very Effective Cure for Stinging Nettles.
Next time you encounter stinging nettles try crushing the stem of the jewel weed plant and rubbing the juices on the affected areas. The plants usually grow near one another and it gives fast relief. I'm a Pa native, enjoying your videos!
+Bob N great tip. Luckily after we were out of the thick of things, water quickly neutralized it.
Ii live just south of new castle and never heard it called jewel weed. Ive heard touch me not and the more common here is waterweed.
Nice video! I hate snakes. I hate overgrown trail combined with snakes more. Looked like a great trail to put on my list for November/December! Thanks for sharing!
me and my husband did this in June 2018. we knew about the nettles so we did long pants. we are in our 50's so it took us 3 days. its all about the barbour rock vista. my husband is not good with hieghts but I got my pic out on it. good luck on your AT adventure, hope to catch you around the pinnacle.
Great video! I want to hike this one someday... on my list. Thanks for sharing.
I grew up in central PA. Thankfully I've never come across a rattlesnake. But now I live in the south and have to watch out for copperheads! Thanks for the fun vid guys.
Copperheads in PA too
Excellent video guys! I miss PA, it's a very unique place. Thanks for sharing this part of the world.
Love your videos. I did the West Rim solo last March and had a foot of snow fall overnight. No nettles in March! Thanks for posting!
Completed this hike this past weekend. Your video helped make it happen. Thanks again!
You are welcome!
Surprised at the rattlesnakes as I've been to West Rim over the years eight times and never saw any on that trail. There are some waterfalls off trail along Four Mile Run stream. Thanks for the video- it brought back good memories of past trips. Good job recording the wildlife!
Never hiked the full trail but it's on my bucket list for this summer. Proposed to my wife at Colton point lookout. Beautiful area
Another great Video. Good work. I just did the Black Forest Last week. Had to cut out 13 miles short. Chewed up my feet, 7 rattlesnakes, slow pace. Saw your video on that one too. I agree with your statement about the painful feet. I never felt pain like I felt on that trail. Not an enjoyable trail, the only one I ever said that about so far...
Wow 7 rattlers is a lot!
One of your best. Thanks
Take care,
Al
A friend and I hiked this trail last fall, it was the first Friday in October. It's a great trail! Didn't see much wildlife wile we were there because of the time of year. It rained the entire first day of our hike (we hiked it in two days) so a lot of the vistas were obstructed by a foggy mist. The second day was beautiful though! We camped at that same site, it was great!
Loved your video sir! Keep up the good work. Word to the wise. Watch yourself at night in rattler country. Those slithering beasts hunt at night and are very active! Remember Mighty Mouse???!!! That's what the rattlers are going after at night. They are Pit Vipers which means they have heat sensors (located on each side of their head). They can "see" the rodents as a heat image...and strike at it for their meal. BTW...timber rattlers favorite terrain...1800" elevation, southeast exposure, and rock outcrops...though will be seen anywhere as you experienced. Hike on guys!!!
Hiked most of this trail with our traditional packs and now are planning a theu hike of it with zpack arc hauls and base weights of 8-9 lbs with our two dogs. Should be awesome to hike and film. Keep it up frozen. Best Pennsylvania hiking channel period. We laughed our ass off as well at the camping potty. Great spot thou. -Nate🐷
If you hiked in the fall Gary, you wouldn't have encountered stinging nettle. It's a Spring/summer plant. Also the component of the plant that makes you itch is the formic acid that the plant releases. Learn to harvest and cook nettles, as they are perhaps one of the most vitamin/mineral rich plants in PA. They are amazing for your health.
You should hike a section of the Appalachian trail in the Delaware water gap of New Jersey you hike along the Kittattiny ridge and have awesome vistas of the surrounding mountains and the valley; very beautiful area definitely check it out
wow i could see the rattle shaking at around 8:40 !! tons of great views, looks like some really nice campsites and well stinging nettles those are not so fun. we have them here in CA too- i only recently learned of them, quite annoying when you get stung. and BEArs!! great film thanks for taking us with you
Very nice video.
Those snakes would have freaked me out big time,lol.
I think this one is my favorite video- so many encounters.
I love it up that way, I've always wanted to hike the pa grand canyon ! Hopefully this spring. Thanks for the vid! I'm getting winter madness I need to get out haha happy hiking!
Nice vid-- just purchased those tarp skins for my new superfly as you were showing them-- looks nice. Now I just hope the superfly will fit! Thanks for sharing!
If the my cuben tarp fit, you won't have any problems with the superfly.
thanks for this. this video is a big reason why I just completed this trail. it was great
Great video, I have put this hike on my list for the summer. Love the rattlers! Stinging nettles kind of suck.
Nice vid man! At least the snakes warned you. We were doing the Quehanna West loop at the end of June, came within a few feet of a 5 footer and it didn't even rattle until we tried to move it with a long stick. Definitely a lot of them in Northern PA.
snakes can travel faster than you think, you were smart to stay as far away as you can, Rattle snakes are no joke. Thanks for sharing your adventlures also you need to check out "packit Gourmet" for some freeze dried food
Looked at packit gourmet, wasn't impressed by the calories to price. I'm sure it tastes better than your standard freeze dried meal and I will try them once my stock in mountain house runs low.
another great video! this trail has been on my wish list, maybe next spring. we see lots of rattlers further west in the ANF too, stay safe
IMO....First off thank you , great job, enjoy your work. I'm watching the vid entirely because I plan to be on this trail very soon. I've done BFT multiple times, and WRT offers the shuttle. I get great benefit when you actually get out the map, and show us where your at, as your at the location. ( I did notice later in the vid, you noted mile markers more often, thats good enough.) I look forward to your Susquehannock Trail trip report, especially how you plan to resupply for that 80 some miler. Consider, that someone watching a longer video about a specific trail, is probably watching more for the logistics. So, any help with the navigation, showing where your at on the maps, etc. would be sweet.; like where you got lost for yourself, stop get out the map and show us the common mistake, and clear up the confusion that other may also encounter. Thank you so much, for all the hard work!
Awesome view from the campsite! On our Porcupine Mountain Trip with the campsite at the lake. lol We both forgot our forks. I started to carve one out of wood and the knife slipped. That was a good cut that I needed to do a little first aid. One video clip of the bear pole you will see my finger wrapped. This weekend we have a trip planned. Great area, but they only have a few backcountry sites. I've been waiting a long time to come back to this area. It's about 170 miles from us. If we don't get a campsite then I'll make sure to reserve one next time. This was a last minute plan. It looks like rain on Sunday again! Once again another great video. Bob
Enjoy your trip! I'm headed out on a 3 dayer as well. 👍
+Tim Watson nice man enjoy. Hey for the black forest trail watch the snakes up there as well. There is a short section of trail where it looks like a micro burst happened and lots of tall grass. Might have been cleared but be careful.
Thanks Tim! Enjoy your trip. Very good with the editing again Jason. I really enjoyed this video. Bob
Good job guys. I enjoyed that. This year my boys and I will do the West Rim and not from the cab of the truck. Next time out get yourselves a Coleman 222 backpacker white gas lantern. You'll love it.
+John Penn that's a little heavy for me compared to the rest of the gear. I enjoy bringing only what I need and leaving the rest at home for when I go car camping. Have fun out there
Really awesome video ! Wow ! A lot of brilliant insights--thanks so much looking forward to many more. You gained yourself a subscriber!
Thanks for watching
Great virtual hike for us in quarantine!!! Just so you know look up stinging nettle...you misidentified blackberry bramble as stinging nettle at start of hike.
Very nice boys. Looks like another great time.
Planning this trip for the second weekend of July. Looks amazing, Frozen!
LMAO! Stinging nettles! A buddy and I found ourselves in a similar situation and I could feel your pain. Jim danced/ran through them like he was on hot coals. Yeah, its long hiking pants for me if it is 100 degrees and it is summer/nettle time. Never again, lol.
Yea man they are definitely not fun. I made the mistake of trying some light athletic shorts on a day hike, and they are just so much more comfortable for me I got spoiled. Even though the nettles were there I'm stilling wearing shorts in the summer.
I love the fact you left that part in, along with the second encounter. Great video.
Awesome and inspiring video. Looking forward to go there this year
Not stinging nettle, it is Laportea canadense- Canadian Wood Nettle. Delicious nutritious edible leaves and stalk makes very strong fibers for corsage or weaving fabric. It does sting on contact, although the sting dissipates in mere minutes for most. Distant, very distant, cousin to stinging nettle.
Thanks for sharing!
I know that I’m watching this years later Frozen, and hello, but carry a lightweight machete for snakes. I do, and they work great!
I've been in Blackwell before. My old boss owns half the mountain side by Ski Saw Mill slopes. After having been out that way many times I wanted to see the PA Grand Canyon.
Great video, the overlook at Barbour rock is hairy, but worth it. That is God's country for sure!!!
I was here, a little over a month after you guys were there. I didn't see any snakes oddly however that nettle patch was there and it sucked just as bad!!!
Headed here for a weekend hike, this was a very good video. I think we could've used a few more comments on approx. miles that some of the things you saw were at, but still very enjoyable. I'll try to comment once the trip is in the books for us and let everyone know what we thought of it for the record.
just finished this trail today. Thanks for your video ...
How was it? Have fun?
lol it was awesome. It's just so funny to trace ur footstep and see what you showed on the video on real life =)
Very cool trail, glad you did this video because I'm scheduled to do some of this in August. I live very close. I'm assuming you ate at the burning barrel? Cool footage of the snakes and bear, well done!
+Anthony C yup Burning barrel. Great burgers there.
I was thinking about heading up there this year but I'm a little concerned about the rattlesnakes. I hike with my dogs and I'm half afraid they'd try and mess with them. It might be back to the drawing board for this years trip.
This is a great video! I love the canyon! I just subscribed to you🙂
bruh
Pretty awesome trail just did 2 nights back in early march with snow, couldn't get on the rock tho didn't trust icy roots lol!!
How did Gary attach that water bottle to his strap? I've been thinking of trying something along the lines of that. Thanks, man. Love the channel.
It comes with the pack, but you just do it with a piece of shockcord and a cord lock
Its always good to wear convertible pants take off the pant legs when it gets hot and put them back on if it gets cool or walking on an overgrown trail to prevent rashes from the stinging nettle or poison ivy. Never go hiking without them.
the Rattlesnake Roundup is yearly event (pre covid) just a few miles up the road from where you came out of the trail in Blackwell . RR is in Morris
Awesome trip guy's!
Pretty place...damn the rattlers! Nice dew rag. Them's "crawdads" man. Go La Sportiva! Stinging Nettles....terrible feeling...seems that washing with water helped me. Some great views! Cool to see the bear action. Great campsite! I realize that a lot of people are big on the gear description, but I could care less about what brand of gear used or the weight of a pack...I just like seeing the outdoor experiences others are having in their videos...just me. Pretty cool how your camera was on all night waiting for you to rise from the hammock, all sleepy. : ) Too bad there's a road in the valley. Great video though! Enjoyed
That road in the valley, was an old railway that was converted to a bike trail. So wasn't too bad. As far as gear stuff, there's a lot of different people watching some like the view of the trail, some like the wildlife, others use the videos for logistics and others are trying to see what different gear people use out there. So I try to do a mix of everything.
Thanks for watching!
Indeed
Yea the first plant wasn't nettle but when you got to 11:30 you realized haha. Those things suck, but the shoots are edible
Yeah that’s jewel weed if I’m not mistaken.
Somewhere nearby the nettle should be waterweed. I found the waterweed is a good relief to the nettle. Did a similar thing on a trail closer to my home a few hours SW of this video trail. Got hit bad by the nettle and i remembered my dad teaching me to use the waterweed to stave the pain from nettle. I suggest giving it a try.
the plant you call nettles is actually one of the berry bushes. IDK if jewelweed/touch-me-not helps, but a rinse with water will. Long pants help, too. Nettle alert @11:19!
So, we were going to do half of that trail tomorrow, but with storms and lightning, we are putting it off til maybe Sept long weekend....the snakes really scare me though, and we have a mid-size dog who has fortunately never encountered a snake before..... any advice? Dog on short leash might work...she's 40 lbs so too heavy to carry! Do dogs get stung by stinging nettle? If we pet her after she has gone through it will we feel the sting later?Thinking about her comfort... her eyes are pretty low and she sniffs everything....and will there be more water flowing at the beginning of September?
+Kimberly-Dawn Falk the end of September might be your best bet. The snakes will hopefully be gone by then. If you must bring your dog then yes a very short leash and watch him like a hawk. I know my dog is very curious about moving things. Also not sure about the stinging nettle and dogs. Google that for sure. I doubt it will affect the dog. Just like poison ivy doesn't affect them. But the oil may stay on his coat.
Those Timber Rattlers (I think they are) are flipping huge!
Yes, they are smaller than other species but son of a gun!
Yo so my old man convinced me to to go to potter co and I looked at pictures and cartoonish images maps of some of these trails and all like sure looks pretty. Let’s do a little hike …. Then saw this video… i ain’t getting out of the truck .. you kids are nuts
Great video!! Watching about 1 of your videos a day and went on a 6mi walk yesterday because of your videos :). Got lost in the pine barrens so it was a fun adventure! I love the Grand Canyon of PA. As an astronomer I go to cherry springs state park a lot in that area. Went to Leonard Harrison State Park last year and the views in the fall were AWESOME!!
+Daniel McCormick Thanks for watching and very glad I could help get you out. That's what the channel is all about. As far as cherry Springs I will be there within the month. Me and Gary have an 85 miles hike planned around that area called the susquahannock
+Outdoor Adventures that's awesome!! I'd love to chat.. cheery springs has a very nice camping area across from the field and I know there are a ton of trails out there. I hope you make videos of it! I live in south jersey about 4hrs from there
Awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Yep, that was the Stinging Nettles at 11:30, the delayed burn is part of their evil. I have walked them in shorts before, and that is why I only hike in long pants, even in Summer, heh. I loved hearing Gary in them, he reminded me of my friend Jim when we found ourselves deep in a huge patch. Jim finally lost it and just did a high stepping run while screeching expletives to get out of them, lol. I'd rather see 4 rattlesnakes than walk Nettles.
Yes indeed these little lanterns take up weight and space but they provide heat and light. With your tuna fish can on top of the vent you can cook on them too. Simmer even. I'm an older school backpacker and wouldn't leave the trailhead without one. It's really an unnecessary luxury. :)
was watching this while I did some dishes Turn back to the TV and I see that field of nettles and the distinctive leaf points and I was like wtf how are they not dying. Couple seconds later "wait is this stinging nettle haha. roughing it.
Yikes...my legs are stinging from the nettles...I feel like I was there. Almost. Thanks!
Guess you and Gary were redefining spooning this trip.
+arcana1973 always
Hey! I did a chunk of the Black Forest trail about ten days after you guys. Agreed on sketchy water!
Did you see any snakes over there?
+Outdoor Adventures we picked a shoddy campsite the first night and had three roll through. Then one on the trail the next day. They're pretty good about letting you know that they're there.
+Simon Miller yea Thankfully.
+Outdoor Adventures now crushing humidity, heat and scarce water is a different story :-P
Hey man. I'm just wondering what you do when you can't find water on the trail. From what I see, you're hiking way longer than me. I went backpacking the other day and started around noon. I didn't bring much water with me, I was told there would be creeks to fill up on the trail. All of the creeks were dry and there was no water source for the first 7 miles( I'm fairly new and my pace is about 1.5-2mph so you can imagine how that was for me). All I could think of is maybe bring more water but I don't want to weigh myself down. My dry pack weight is about 14 pounds.
+Travis Mize I usually carry 2 liters of water at l times. My buddy Gary sometimes carries less. On sketchy trips where water sources are scarce I will bring 2 liters of water in bottles and a water bladder. At streams I'll drink a liter and fill up. Your base weight is pretty good. Just be careful especially while your are building up your speed. (it takes about a year of conditioning I'd say) remember you can usually find water by heading downhill if you are really in a bad situation.
ever since the walking dead episodes with "terminus" the word terminus should be removed from all records and never spoken again.
agreed
"Four rattlesnakes and we're 5 miles in.....K."
You, sir, have hit grandmaster level of "embracing the suck".
A few questions! 1) what is the purple sleeping pad? Mine popped on my last trip and I need a new one
2) what map are you using? I’m hiking this trail this summer and that seems like the map to use!
purple thing is just a sit pad we got on aliexpress
Really want to hike this trail :)
city people walking up a road. Cool.
Nice video, and great scenery! Reminds me a bit of the Linville Gorge here in North Carolina. You should come on down and check it out!
Beautiful area
My state is so beautiful
Heading out to the West Rim trail the 27th. Is there anywhere to park other than Pine Creek Outfitters if you find your own transportation?
I believe there is parking closer to the trail. Give pine creek outfitters a call though. I'm not 100% on that but they would know. Super nice there.
Hi Frozen.
Did you have to obtain any camping/overnight permit when backpacking this West Rim Trail?
Not needed, just practice leave no trace
IF YOU WEAR LONG PANTS WILL IT STILL STING YOU THROUGH THEM ? WOULD IT BE BETTER TO BRING GAITERS ALONG? DOES IT STICK IN THE MATERIAL OF YOUR CLOTHES & KEEP STINGING YOU ? LOOKED LIKE AN AWESOME TRIP . GLAD YOU MADE IT SAFELY BACK.
IT SHOULD BE FINE WITH LONG PANTS!!!!!!!
THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK TO ME! HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT SUMMER , FALL! BE SAFE! HAVE FUN! SMILE! ENJOY! GOD BLESS YOU ALL ALWAYS!
i love to hike but dude,Im so not going there.. great views . cant deal with stinging nettle.. weed growers use that plant to sway away trail hikers and unwanted guests so pay attention .. haha
The West Rim Trail is the type of trail where I would wear my full height gaiters from Outdoor Research. Normally I don't wear them, but in parts of PA there's so much stinging nettle, poison ivy & oak, and timber rattlesnakes that I think it's worth using them.
Agreed though I must say don't get too confident on the rattlesnakes. They will go right through that material if they bite. Highly unlikely they strike though unless provoked.
@@FrozensAdventures Yeah it will not stop a determined fang from going through the material, but you might luck out and create a glancing blow if it's not a direct strike. I did almost step on one but fortunately corrected in time. I think your tip about tapping the log with a trekking pole before stepping over is a good one, especially on PA trails (PA is also my home state).
Got that from suroviorman les stroud. I was actually almost bit my a timber rattlesnake in the smokies. Made a bad choice luckily made it out unscathed.
Hey Frozen. Love your videos, first time comment.
I have a question: Do you think it would be possible to plan a seven day West Rim/Black Forest Trail hike?! Also, if so, would it be even worth it to see both of them at the same time?
Thanks in advance, Frozen!~
Let me get back to you later tomorrow. If I forget comment again. Yes I think it's possible though.
Nice! Looks like a really nice hike.
Would it be advisable to zip your pant legs back on through the Stinging Nettle patches or is that too much trouble? and did you or Gary pack Bear Spray and a Snake Bit kit?
+jelloman42 No need for bear spray. Black bear run away way too fast. Be careful about snake bit kits. Rattle snakes will war you plenty of time in advance. Snake bite kits usual kill the skin around the wound making it worse than the bite itself.
This is a old comment but snake bit kits are useless a good analogy is pooring a can of Pepsi into a creek then trying to remove the Pepsi.
Good video, was wondering if u where aloud to kill one of the snakes and eat it? And stinging needle is very nutritious when u boil it it softens the needles and is packed with vitamin c ,iron,calcium ,magnisum ,vitamin a,b1,b2, b5,e,k1, choline,folic acid and zink. After boiling u can it like turnip greens , and one more ? How much and what was the tarp system Gary was using ,I liked that
+Easy rider yea we were reading that you can make a tea out of that stuff. Pretty interesting. That shelter I showed that Gary uses is called a tarp tent notch. I can't remember the weight exactly but it's something like 29oz. Check them out www.tarptent.com they are a mom and pop shop and everything is made when you order. Very reliable and great quality.
you can eat stinging nettle after you boil it just the new tops i think
+Vincent Santaguido you are correct. It also makes a nice tea apparently.
yea ive been researching wild edibles of western pa lately i find it very interesting
Hubby just read about this in trailer life. I was going to hike this but I try to avoid rattlesnakes because I don't like them 😱
+P M you can go in the spring or fall and it should be fine we went in the middle of summer when rattlesnakes are really active.
Outdoor Adventures oh thank you for letting me know that. As 2 of my section hikes on the Appalachian trail this year started out with someone telling me they had seen a rattlesnake on the trail 😱
The trail name said it all
Thanks for sharing! I'm planning on doing the WRT in a month and am curious as to what phone app you used that had the WRT? Do you have a recommended app? Thanks again!
We use viewranger. I don't have the GPS coordinates for you but when paired with a map you should be able to figure out where you are.
loved the video and like what you did with your channel. you have my subscription would love to have your support as well. great job my friend.
The map of the trail you have in the 2nd minute of the video, were you able pick that up at pink creek outfitters?
+Mark Haedrich yes we were
How far of a hike from the Bradley Wales Picnic Area was it to your epic camp site? Thinking of making the drive out for an easy overnight?
I want to say about 1/4 mile if that. It was really close
Thanks man. GREAT VID BTW!
Just curious what you meant by sketchy water sources. Were you referring to the limited availability due to summer or were there issues with them?
Nah water is fine. In the summer the water reports say they trickle or completely dry up. We didn't have any problems. Just make sure you are filling up to capacity at each section and you will be fine. Have fun!
@@FrozensAdventures I see. Thanks for the response. We actually wrapped up the west rim trail this past Sunday. After seeing your video, I wanted to make sure I wasn’t drinking something funky. I figured I wasn’t because pine creek outfitters didn’t make any mention of it.
Hope you got that same burger as we did. So good!
would gaiters help through the nettles?
We were wearing low rise gaiters the entire time. I think it's best to just grit your teeth and go for it. Way too hot for pants and it's more comfortable to hike in shorts.
Would love to take that trail one day despite the nettles
How did you or who did you have to call to organize the shuttle?
I saw you used the Dutchware tree straps. How did you like them?
They are ok, not worth the upgrade price to save 1oz from the polyester straps
Hey Frozen what was the dare of your WRT trip? Tnx
+Fred Smith the date? I think it was July 9-10
Cool